Tuesday, January 08, 2013
Thursday, May 31, 2012
I'm going fishing. No idea when I'll be back. Carry on.
Sunday, April 01, 2012
Copied from Anonymous on the Texas FLDS blog, here's the rundown of convictions and sentences resulting from the 2008 raid... exactly 4 years ago.
11-2009 — Raymond Jessop — Convicted at trial. 10 years.
12-2009 — Allen Keate — Convicted at trial. 33 years.
1-2010 — Michael Emack — No contest plea. 7 years.
3-2010 — Leroy Jessop — Convicted at trial. 75 years.
4-2010 — Lehi B. Jeffs — No contest plea. 8 years.
6-2010 — Keith Dutson, Jr. Convicted at trial. 6 years.
6-2010 — Abram Harker Jeffs — Convicted at trial. 17 years.
9-2011 — Warren Steed Jeffs — Convicted at trial. Life +20 years.
11-2011 — Leroy Johnson Steed — No contest plea. 7 years.
11-2011 — Merril Jessop — Convicted at trial. 10 years.
3-2012 — Wendell Nielsen — Convicted at trial. 10 years.
Wednesday, March 07, 2012
I do not own this blog!
I am one of several who long ago was given the ability by unknown administrator(s) to start new threads. That is all I can do besides post comments like everyone else. However, I seem to be the only one of those several who has done that lately. And I've done so just to keep this blog from going into rigor mortis. It was once fun and lively.
I only lurk here occasionally when my email shows activity from posters other than Ruth and Street. I do not have the ability to ban anyone or delete any posts (except my own).
Here is my previous introduction to our March thread:
Have heard rumors that Warren/Lyle will have excommunicated many by today (1st of March).
True? or Not?
Lyle? Only you have the power to stop the insanity. Just stand up, be a real man, and do it! What kind of father's son are you?
Play your brother's Purgatory confessions and explain the subsequent coverup. Don't you understand by now that your very life depends on it?
Thursday, March 01, 2012
Wednesday, February 01, 2012
The wise person, then, views history as a set of lessons to be learned, choices and ramifications to be considered and discussed, and mistakes that should never again be made.
~Frank Herbert from Dune~
Sunday, January 01, 2012
It's worthwhile, I think, to start out the new year with a good review of this past year written by Matthew Waller for the San Angelo Standard Times.
Emerging now are portentous stories (December 31st) about the illegal removal of young girls from their parents in Short Creek.
“Parents that have dropped off their girls for interviews, they go to pick them up and the girls have been sent off to a ‘safe place of refuge’ is what they’re being told,” said Tonia Tewell, the executive director of the group Holding Out Help. “And the families haven’t been deemed worthy or unworthy yet. But they have no idea where their children are disappearing to.”
Any of you who travel to or through or live there, please give us your thoughts about what you're seeing there in those tyrannized twin towns of Colorado City/Hildale.
In the meantime, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2012!
Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Speaking of spooky:
Warren Jeffs is in jail for the rest of his unnatural life; Wendell Nielsen pleaded no contest to bigamy last week -- was sentenced to ten years probation; Leroy J. Steed also pleaded no contest to two counts of sexual assault of a child -- was promptly whisked off to start serving his sentence of seven years in jail; and Merril Jessop is currently on trial in Texas.
Rumors continue to swirl that more people are being exed and/or leaving on their own. Who? When? Is Uncle Will's congregation in the Creek growing? Where is Uncle Lyle? How are people dealing with their prophet's incarceration? And what about that rumored statue?
I would really enjoy anyone sharing their impressions of the general attitude in Short Creek. And, of course, any current news would be welcome. Let's revive this blog! Anonymity guaranteed.
Sunday, September 25, 2011
What else is going on this fall? I miss Harvest Festival. I like the feeling of community and togetherness it brought to have the entire town (and people from SLC and Canada) join the festivities for three days.
Other than that, the fall makes me strangely melancholy. I don't know why? maybe because it is the end of summer?
Anyway, what are you people up to?
Sunday, June 26, 2011
I heard they did a picnic at Maxwell for "Uncle" Roy's birthday. I really wanted to make it but I had to work instead. Remember how much fun we used to have during the summer? There were so many things going on: the twenty fourth of July parade where all the business in town would make floats and throw candy to the kids, "Uncle" Roy's birthday where we would all eat watermelon and ride the train at Cottonwood Park, The fourth of July celebration where we would have the flag raising ceremony at the meeting house and then walk to breakfast at Cottonwood Park and the dance and fireworks that night....
So many things have changed :)
Wednesday, June 01, 2011
So what's new?
- Michael Emack's appeal to invalidate search warrants leading to the YFZ raid - when's the decision coming down?
- Upcoming pretrials and jury trials for Wendell Nielsen and Warren Jeffs - who's next?
- Stealing and burning books in Short Creek - why?
- Competition for FLDS Corporation presidency - isn't it taking a long time to render that decision?
- $2,000 required from faithful elders - bleeding the sheep as well as the beast?
- What else?
- Keeping Sweet?
Friday, January 14, 2011
I saw a story today about renewed efforts for a county library in Colorado City.
Sunday, December 05, 2010
Saturday, July 31, 2010
-- newly acquired Griffin Farm
-- other purchased properties
-- completed sewer system
-- new pivot irrigation system
-- and much more.....
Pilot, I for one appreciate your efforts which allow us to see the progress and changes out there.
Friday, June 04, 2010
Saturday, May 01, 2010
- Definition: An internationally recognized distress signal via radiotelephone (from the French m'aider)
Just kidding. Thought I'd put out a new header on this first day of May.
I'm so glad winter's over and am enjoying spring immensely! Hope y'all are too.
Saturday, February 06, 2010
Friday, January 01, 2010
Tuesday, December 08, 2009
Friday, October 30, 2009
Friday, September 11, 2009
Thursday, September 10, 2009
Tuesday, June 09, 2009
Will the judge sell all the homes and land in Colorado city and Bountiful Canada piece by piece until it is owned by anybody? I doubt very few of the FLDS could afford to buy their own homes. At the same time I honestly wish they would get over their stubbornness and realize that $100.00 a month payment is nothing compared to the $700.00 to $1200.00 mortgage payments the rest of us make.
FOR SALE!!! POLYGVILLE!!! Going once....going twice....
I should have a little more sympathy, maybe. I am wondering what will happen to my family and hope they will be OK. But at the same time I can't help but saying it's going to be pretty hard for the FLDS if they all have to move to rent some place in Hurricane.
People in Hurricane, beware! The polygs are coming! The polygs are coming! lol.
Saturday, May 16, 2009
Monday, April 20, 2009
Sunday, March 08, 2009
Lets start with monogamy, defined as: two people in a relationship. Lets define success of this relationship: by the degree of satisfaction experienced by the people involved in this relationship. Now this satisfaction * will continue as long the characteristics of the two people remain compatible. let’s now begin to add more people to the relationship. With each person added, the chances of mutual compatibility are lowered dramatically. So in order for a degree of satisfaction to exist , sufficient to hold this relationship together, there must be another element added that will outweigh the incompatibilities of the participants . This can be a common goal desired by all, such as survival, a political ideology, a religion or a mutual effort to acquire wealth etc. as long as the participants find sufficient satisfaction in progress toward this common goal, the relationship will likely hold together. I have seen some, though a very few polygamous relationships last because of mutual compatibility, however most of those that fail, are do to a loss of faith in the common goal. So as long as the participants continue to believe they are attaining what they believe they want through this relationship, there satisfaction will likely keep them there.
*I first used the word “happiness” here, but quickly realized that the word “satisfaction” was far more appropriate. there is a huge difference between happiness and satisfaction.
Friday, February 27, 2009
Do you have any idea of what is going on? i will use a story from past history.
Joseph Stalin was asked once by a news reporter as he was at a restaurant:
"Mr. Stalin, if you continue to mistreat your people, how long do you expect them to continue following you? Are you not concern they will revolt?
Joseph Stalin asked for a live chicken be brought to him. As he held the chicken with one hand against himself with the other he started defeathering the live chicken. The chicken clut and wiggle to try to get away from him but it could not. he continue the defeathering until the live chicken was completely defeathered. After this he put it down and grab a piece of bread from the table where he had been eating and held it in his hand and the chicken approached near to him to be able to eat some of the bread. Joseph Stalin started to move away from the chicken and the chicken continue to follow him as he moved. He turned to the reporter and said do you have any questions?
Sunday, February 22, 2009
Sunday, February 08, 2009
Monday, January 05, 2009
I would post the link, but instead refer you all the the Salt Lake Tribune home page. Just click on 'News' then polygamy and the article will be there.
My personal opinion on the subject is:
1- I am glad it is being shown that not all the people there blatantly abuse the system. My ex- father-in-law is among those who don't.
2-but there ARE those who do and we all know it. My own sister used to be one of them.
3-it really galls me that good women like Caroline Jessop get the public anger over this.
4- I don't really think the records of the past two years count because during the past two years, a good percent of the FLDS people have been living elsewhere. If a true analysis were to be considered, the state should dig into their records of when the full force of the community was resident in Colorado City. Like the years 2002-2003 when all the FLDS from Salt Lake City were living there as well as the original Colorado City residents. THEN compare that data to the average state data and THAT would be an accurate picture of the FLDS lifestyle and dependence on the government systems.
Tuesday, December 02, 2008
These are they who 's right it is to rule.
Wednesday, November 05, 2008
Sunday, November 02, 2008
Friday, October 31, 2008
Saturday, October 25, 2008
LeGrand Barlow's child was killed in a accident two weeks ago and a funeral was held for her. I just heard mention that it was Rosies child and was 17 months old.
Tho there are those that feel it sacriligious to mention any thing else on a funeral tab, I get to anyway.
I understand the FLD people were told that everyone that stole a house on the UEP was going to have to leave and I understand they are doing everything in their power to make it happen. I was told that I am in that category, despite the fact that we built our house, we stole it back ( in the FLDS eyes) My opinion is that anyone that built a house on the UEP is entitled to their house.
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Monday, October 20, 2008
Tuesday, October 07, 2008
It’s my belief, that the cure for ignorance, is curiosity .
“ Curious; eager for information; inquisitive ; prying“…
One of the primary tools of the tyrant, is the suppression of curiosity , so, if you want knowledge, get curious. It is the first step in overthrowing tyranny .
Monday, October 06, 2008
Saturday, October 04, 2008
Wednesday, October 01, 2008
Tuesday, September 23, 2008
someone calling him, or herself, "maymunah'" gives a well thought out discussion on reasons not to legalize polygamy. even taking the premise that "it is a commandment of God," his argument still holds water.
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Monday, August 18, 2008
Sunday, August 10, 2008
Any others who want to comment on her book?, or stories of their own who were involved in her history?
Friday, August 08, 2008
And , does it make sense that an omnipotent creator would be so incompetent that the vast majority of his creations, that he chose to make in his own image, should be so defective as to render them unacceptable?
Or would it make more sense that ; because the defining feature that separates Man from the rest of his creatures is the ability to reason; that his plan to bring mankind to maturity would be one of interaction with others? And wouldn’t the interaction with many different kinds of people enhance your ability to reason?
It seems to me that limiting your experience would limit your intelligence.
Wednesday, July 23, 2008
if the people indicted are imprisoned, will it end all the alleged misconduct among the Flds?
or will it bring forth a number of "new Prophets with a special calling", and result in a fragmenting of the present FLDS congregation?
Thursday, July 03, 2008
Thursday, June 05, 2008
Texas Governor Rick Perry said -- he hopes state law enforcement officials and prosecutors “continue to send the message" to the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that child sexual abuse won't be tolerated.
Mr. Perry warned sect members that “if you are going to conduct yourself that way, we are going to prosecute you. If you don't want to be prosecuted for those activities, then maybe Texas is not the place you need to consider calling home."
Thank You, Guv! I couldn't have said it better myself.
Wednesday, June 04, 2008
Friday, May 30, 2008
What would you do differently if you were in the shoes of the FLDS and trying to get your kids back?
Friday, May 23, 2008
Tuesday, May 20, 2008
Monday, May 12, 2008
Friday, May 02, 2008
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Wednesday, April 23, 2008
Monday, April 21, 2008
Tuesday, April 15, 2008
Thursday, April 10, 2008
Tuesday, April 08, 2008
Friday, April 04, 2008
Wednesday, April 02, 2008
Tuesday, April 01, 2008
Thursday, March 06, 2008
I'm sure this has been asked before, but I don't recall hearing any direct and honest answers.
Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Who were the key figures in creating the circumstances that allowed for a Warren Jeffs type takeover at Short Creek? when and what, specifically did they do?
who could have prevented it and what should have been done differently?
Tuesday, February 19, 2008
These are the newest pics I have of FLDS in Eldorado. I had to compress them a little because I posted well over 150. Its been a while so I thought I would give you a treat. There is much activity at the YFZ ranch. This place is becoming quite a little town! The sewer is expanding rapidly. FLDS are working diligently trying to get it finished. Five more houses have been built( since November photos) due east of temple, a new guard house, completion of potato warehouse ( so we were told), and pivot irrigation fields have been expanded. There are definitely more people at the YFZ or at least more trucks. You have to give them credit for their incredible engineering and building skills.
I would have to say my opinion on the subject of polygamy is divided. Having once experiences it with bad results I am never going to do it again. But I know that there are people who live it and experience mostly good results- and I do not want to take that away from them. If people want live polygamy and can do so without hurting anyone I say they should. I also think polygamy should be legalized.
Monday, February 04, 2008
Thursday, January 31, 2008
This library was situated in the middle of town with a small park around it. It was where everyone gathered in the fateful day in 53 when the government raided the town. It is also where the historic marker was put by the Barlow Brothers in commemoration of that Raid, that sparked Warrens wrath and kicked all of them out of town. Since 2003, there has been no library in town.
Time to change the way things are done.
Tuesday, January 29, 2008
Apostates of the apostates.
We will have to let them know they are welcome at the Creek...our problems are having problems..they could help solve them.
I don't worry much about Isaac, but it is all of Warrens wives he is "taking care of" that has me a little concerned.
Saturday, January 26, 2008
Thursday, January 17, 2008
Supposedly if this fee is not paid for three consecutive months, another family will be assigned to live in the residence.
I wonder if the families are still receiving a monthly "donation" bill which they pay the FLDS church on top of the UEP fee? I wonder if Mr. Wisan tells them to move if they will do it or stubbornly remain in defiance until they are bodily evicted by the authorities. I wonder if he will even be able to FIND authorities who will do it.
And, I am worried about my family and my extended family.
Friday, January 11, 2008
Thursday, January 10, 2008
Laurie was alienated from Ross' family for the last 18 years, since they considered her an apostate. Although she helped raise many of the children in very harsh conditions (deserts & jungles), she was considered the black sheep. Laurie is currently completing a screenplay and a memoir about her experiences.
When Ross' wife Diana was diagnosed with cancer 2 years ago, Laurie was allowed back into their secret world. She has always suspected that her polygamous uncle Ross was fathering his own grandchildren, but nobody would listen.
"I talked to so many relatives about it," Laurie said, "but few believed me." A year
ago, Laurie and three other family members went to law enforcement with their
concerns. The Arizona DA's office decided to pursue the case. Then more family
members became involved, and the result is the explosive document you are about to read.
Dear Family Members,
We now know for a fact that members of our immediate family are involved in
incest. We have been suspicious for years, but believed that incest was
unlikely. However, new and disturbing evidence obligated us to find a
definitive answer; therefore, we conducted DNA testing.
The DNA test proved that our sister's son is without any doubt a product of
incest. His Y chromosome is exactly the same as ours. Given that other
children were born under equally suspicious circumstances, we assume that
these children are products of incest as well. Substantial evidence
indicates, and we are personally convinced, that our dad (Ross Wesley
LeBaron Jr), two of our brothers, and three of our sisters have engaged in
We recently confronted these members of our family and although they never
made any direct admissions of incestuous behavior, they did, in fact,
adamantly defend the practice. Also, through a number of statements made to
us, they confirmed our suspicions that our dad and oldest sister have been
engaging in an incestuous relationship for many years.
We tried through reason, logic and scientific research, to persuade them to
end their destructive beliefs and practice. Our efforts were to no avail.
We are left with public exposure as our best hope. We very much dislike
having to take actions against our family, but we believe it is absolutely
necessary to expose them and put an end to this outrageous, immoral, and
Our primary goal is to protect our youngest brother and sister, who are in
danger of eventually being compelled to participate in this heinous
lifestyle. It is our sincere hope that we can help and provide them with
the opportunity for a better life.
We hope and pray that our dad, brothers and sisters might come to understand
that their deluded and pernicious philosophy and belief system is simply
unnatural, genetically destructive and immoral, and that they will put an
end to the damage being done to their posterity.
With love sincerely,
Alaric C, LeBaron
David Uri LeBaron
Elend S, LeBaron
I don't know what will happen next, but I will say this....I can only imagine how
hard it must be to admit such a thing in your immediate family. I have seen Laurie
suffer because of this tragedy. This takes real courage. Considering that Ross is
one of the wealthiest polygamists in Utah, I can only hope for the sake of Laurie
and her family that Utah and Arizona law enforcement make speed to reel in this big fish. Ross LeBaron's youngest daughter is 15 years old, and everybody is concerned about her safety.
Thursday, January 03, 2008
Tuesday, December 25, 2007
Monday, December 24, 2007
Afton Chatwin Cookes young daughter (don't know any details) funeral held at the ex-Jr High Bldg. I wonder if Gene even knows. He was "kicked" a while ago.
Wednesday, December 19, 2007
Monday, December 03, 2007
Robert Knudsons 14 yr old Daughter died of Leukimia
Ron Steeds 7 yr old son died from vehicle accident
Wayne Horsley died Dec 1 from pneumonia (funeral this week)
I hope I got the names and ages right. I like to hear about funerals because it gives me closure and makes me feel part of the community. Back in the days, we would have 3 to 5 a year but as the people have grown it happens more frequently.
Tuesday, November 20, 2007
If I understand it correctly, a five- year- to- life sentence means the accused serves three to four years and then goes before a review board who decide, based on conduct and other things, how much further- if any- time needs to be served. Since the judge ordered they be served consecutively, that means Warren will be in prison for 6-8 years before going before the review board. The judge was kind enough to let the time Warren has already served at Purgatory since being captured be used against the 6-8 years. That means Warren will be in prison for at least 4 years. But first, he goes to Arizona for the trail there.
IMHO- it was very smart of the judge to order Warren to serve the sentences consecutively. We don't want him on the top ten most wanted list again. I also think He will be allowed his freedom after the first review. And if and when that happens, maybe, maybe he will conduct himself with just a little more kindness. Either that or come out more extreme and biased than ever.
Saturday, November 17, 2007
Saturday, November 10, 2007
There is much construction at YFZ in Eldorado. One new house is complete – two - three started. Sewer and water completed for more construction by block. More warehouses completed and a new one starting. Rather strange stalls inside warehouse – reported as potato bins – who knows?? Pylons added by dairy ;another warehouse to be built ? New pivot irrigation system is up. Makes 2 working and one on the way. The other church is now complete and awesome in its beauty as you would expect. Reported that this is for normal services and temple is for special services.
As always, photos are public domain and yours to enjoy.
Thursday, November 01, 2007
Friday, September 28, 2007
Until the next trail.......
And the next with a new victim and a new crime.....
Do you think people are afraid it will never end, or is this supposed to make it (abuse) stop....???
Thursday, August 23, 2007
Friday, August 10, 2007
Saturday, July 28, 2007
Wednesday, July 25, 2007
Thursday, July 05, 2007
Saturday, June 30, 2007
Brooke Adams has a multimedia presentation, here is a snipped - An article comes out Sunday - this is a teaser. It was very tastefully done - I'd love to here feedback on what people think
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
The first episode of season 2 was aired last night. I turned to my husband and was like, "No! NO!" when it was over. (I'll have to wait a WHOLE week for more....sigh.....)
I found the bridal registery book rather interesting. Polariod photos of the prospective bride's bare feet (how sensual- just kidding), face, and back view(fully clothed in a 'prarie' dress) for prospective husbands to look at....hhmmmmm........
Thursday, June 07, 2007
I've heard all kinds of stories explainging this. I knew somebody who was living in 'Uncle' Fred's house at the time he was taken away. They were up in their room while it was happening, and later when they came downstairs all the mothers were crying.They asked where 'Uncle' Fred was, they were told not to worry about it. Will moved in that same day and took over.
I spoke with someone else the other day who had very recently left Colorado City. I heard from this person Uncle Fred was just dumped in some city and told to never contact his family again. The nurse attending him when he died said it was of a broken heart, and none of the FLDS people were there for him in his last moments. And it was all done by Warren so he could begin his 'reign of terror'.
This absolutely breaks my heart.
Does anyone know if it is true?
Wednesday, June 06, 2007
Tuesday, June 05, 2007
Sunday, May 20, 2007
If you want to follow this story (or any FLDS story) the HOPE Organization does an excellent job of posting on their website every news story that goes to press.
Friday, May 11, 2007
Friday, May 04, 2007
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Tuesday, April 24, 2007
IMHO- the old one was better ( and shorter?) although there was a lot more detail in this one. I learned something I did not know before, but should have realized: Moses is considered a prophet (Holy man, man of God, whatever) by Christians, Muslims, and Jews. And that his code of moral conduct has withstood the test of time. We have the New Testiment, but I think we all (or most of us) use the ten commandments as the root of moral conduct.
Tuesday, April 17, 2007
Evolution is a natural process taking hundreds of thousands of years to ensure the survival and adaption of various species of life... blah, blah, blah... We all know the rest.
I personally don't see why there has to be a debate on this one, because I think God USES evolution.... But, I know there are many people who fell VERY strongly about one side or the other. So, I made this thread just for a debate on this subject. I think it will be interesting... Tell us what you think!
C'mon! You know I love science.... of COURSE I was going to do this.... :)
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Sunday, April 08, 2007
Wednesday, April 04, 2007
Saturday, March 31, 2007
Durring the times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you. ~Footprints in the Sand
Master, the Tempest is Raging~ Hymn
These are a few things that come to mind for me. Any thoughts or expierences that anyone has on this subject would be welcome here. I also thought it would be nice, because Easter is right around the corner.
Thursday, March 29, 2007
The above title is a Deseret News link. Here's another one (same subject) in Brooke Adams' Tribune blog dated March 27th.
Hey, Atari, if you make that trip, give the Merry Wives a try and tell us what you think.
Tuesday, March 27, 2007
Click the title - it's a link to the story in the Deseret News this morning.
Edited the link; it's fixed. Thanks!
Saturday, March 24, 2007
Technically, this means all of 'Aunt' Lucy Barlow's children (Louis) who are 'Allreds' are technically REALLY 'Jeffs'.
Tuesday, March 20, 2007
Wednesday, March 14, 2007
This is for all those people who might try to agrue that all we discussed here on this blog about the FLDS is neagtive and biased.... Please post only the positive here and leave the other issues for other threads.
Monday, March 12, 2007
Sunday, March 11, 2007
Tuesday, February 20, 2007
It's fairly straight forward. Once you've established your new google account you can log in and create new posts just like it was in the old days.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Saturday, February 17, 2007
Thursday, February 15, 2007
Wednesday, January 31, 2007
Three years ago Jeffs prophesized that he would die a martyr and this latest medical scare has former members of his wondering if Jeffs is getting a little nervous that prophecy may not be fulfilled.
Click the title above to read more
Monday, January 29, 2007
"I read some of the comments from other people on your other posts.... i just had a couple of questions.... do people really get kicked out? or are there a set of standards that if they are not followed the get the choice to straighten up or get out? with you having been a part of them or have family in there i thought you might have an idea and it seems people post on that are currently a member. if you can or will help me understand this or anyone that reads this comment can email me at firstname.lastname@example.org. put something in the comment line so i wont accidently delete it. the info i get is completely confidential and i will be the only one to read it... im just trying to understand distant relatives. my grandpa and some barlows and zittings worked together in the 30's and things so... "
Saturday, January 27, 2007
1. You are chosen specially, and other people do not have your special understanding, insight and prophetic red line to God.
2. You begin by feeling pitty towards others, and it turns into superiority, as you embrace your 'special calling'.
3. Your committment to your belief is evidenced in everything that you do, eating, sleeping, breathing and working and other see your devotion.
4. You do not allow yourself to question the words given to you by your leaders. Your trust in them is unparrallelled.
5. You are intolerant of anyone who does not support your beliefs or views.
It becomes about Gods laws, not Gods love as it moves across the spectrum of fundamentalism. What started as something good slowly twists into an unrecognizable form of what began. It's brittle and hard, and splinters easily. A force big enough will crush it, but it will always survive, in the razor sharp shards it leaves behind.
Friday, January 26, 2007
The house that was under construction is finished. Sugar cane has been harvested and fields are plowed, ready for new crop. Most of the water lines have been installed. Close up of water tank reveals omni wireless antenna. Women and children are out this time.. several photos. Deer and antelope are everywhere and being fed by multiple feeders. Warehouses have been enlarged for something.
Thursday, January 18, 2007
Friday, January 12, 2007
Wednesday, January 10, 2007
Tuesday, December 26, 2006
Sunday morning Paul Holms' house (Joe Knudson's old house) caught on fire, I assume from a plugged chimney. Within hours, they had framing crews, dumpsters, manlifts, forklifts and work crews over framing it back together. It is all closed in by Monday and they redid the entire roof by moonlight Monday night.
Out of the 12 empty houses abandoned by the FLDS, one is a 20 bed/20 bath house in Hildale and one of simular size in CC. What do you think about that?
Kyle Steed (Nate Steeds son) story was a rumor. It's not true.
John Nielson (Jeffs) moved out of town with 7+ wives and family and his Nielson Door business building is for sale. Reliance Lighting Building for sale too! First ever Real Estate signs in this town.
Sunday, December 24, 2006
I do want you guys to know that I have learned from you, and I respect you. I came in here with my strong opinions, and you guys have CHANGED them - which is by no means an easy thing to do.
I learned about your religions, and I learned about myself. It might seem rather silly to wax nostalgic on a blog, but it has been a good year. Every person who came on this blog and shared and every arrow laden debate have all been something I look forward to. If I didn't respect you guys, it wouldn't make this nearly so interesting.
I can't wait to see how TBM, FTTC, Faithful, Furnace, and a myriad of others have to say about a certain topic. I wonder what will happen to warren, but mostly - what I want is for each and every soul out there to be able to find their own life. No matter what they choose, I want them to choose it. I hope that all children will not be confronted with life long decisions in their youth.
So Merry Christmas, and thank you for sharing part of yourself with me.
Thursday, December 21, 2006
Closer shots this time of tombstone on the grave of FLDS lady. I have heard it was very beautiful with scripted writing . I am sorry for your loss.
FLDS is turning rock land that is not very good to fertile farm land by digging to base, using rocks and limestone for their roads and replacing with fertile black soil; very ingenious but labor intensive. Kudos to FLDS for their ingenuity and work ethic.
Enjoy the photos. They are my gift to you and may everyone have a safe and Merry Christmas.
Tuesday, December 12, 2006
Wednesday, December 06, 2006
Wednesday, November 29, 2006
My honest opinion.
1. It was too long
2. It was well written
3. It made some great points
4. It made polygamists victims - I don't agree
I guess the hoopla about freedom, autonomy, and etc etc that he spouts - you'd think at least he'd respect the freedom of the press to photograph or hire helicopters etc etc.
It seemed rather whiney and pathetic at that point - hey, you wanna see someone haggled by the press - go visit a celeb. I can see photos of them practically consumating their vows it's so intrusive. I rarely see the prairie dress clad set garning the cover of any magazine - much less the dozens that line the checkout at my local grocery now dissecting Brittany's new friendship with Paris.
Anyhoo, he name dropped enough that we know he has more experience than most us monogomists with the polygamist crowd, and he made logical interesting arguments.
I honestly couldn't read the whole thing today, perhaps again tomorrow. It was so long it really needed chapters. I think I agree with a few of his conclusions, and disagree with others.
Tuesday, November 21, 2006
Monday, November 20, 2006
Wednesday, November 15, 2006
Other than the fact that Flora has lied on National TV and a very awful article on handicappped children..does it really have that much influence on the government agencys? (They say they are scared to come to town since WJ is in jail.) I thought if you qualified...you qualified.
Thursday, November 09, 2006
Wednesday, November 08, 2006
Tuesday, November 07, 2006
A grave of small child is in two to three photos also. The grave is about 50 yards from the southwest corner of the cement plant. It is just east of another grave of a female who died about a year ago. Neither grave has a marker on it; just a small circle of stone is the only way you would know someone's child or wife is there. My condolences to the loss of both.
As always, photos are yours to enjoy....
Sunday, November 05, 2006
See Comments for the full message.
Saturday, November 04, 2006
Thank You, Street. What a class act you are.
Sunday, October 29, 2006
However only the men are allowed to listen to the tape and only if there are no current rumors about them and they are sworn to secretcy to not even tell their wives about it.
Saturday, October 28, 2006
This is just a snip of the article - for the full article - click the title to be taken to the San Angelo Times website for the full article.
ELDORADO, Texas - A 3-year-old boy was killed and another child was injured Thursday when a minivan they were riding in crashed on a ranch owned by polygamist sect led by Warren Jeffs.
Allen Rulon Jeffs was pronounced dead at a local hospital, and 3-year-old Richard Rulon Jeffs was in critical condition Thursday night. Isaac Steed Jeffs Jr., 3, and the driver, Barbara Joy Jessop, were treated and released, the San Angelo Standard-Times reported Friday.
Friday, October 27, 2006
Before i ever left the creek, questions churned deep inside my soul that i could not shake.
What is the true measure of a man, if everything he does is only to impress someone else?
Give his last dollar if no one was watching him?
Adopt a small family and take them into his own and care for them if he wasn't commanded too?
Teach his family what he thought was right if he wasn't scared of losing them?
Give contributions to needy causes, to make this world a better place if it wasn't demanded from the pulpit?
Visit his children that were on the outside if he knew he wouldn't get "caught"?
What do you think?
I think almost every FLDS is living a lie and they don't even know it.
Thursday, October 26, 2006
That is why I never expected to feel this way. 'She's a previous victim, she knows the community, she's out now - and she's telling all the secrets'. Her credibility was bullet proof for me - UNTIL NOW.
To understand what I am talking about listen to the audio file below from a recent 2006 ex-mormon conference. Flora's schpeel is about half way through. She makes scurrilous allegations about the Mohave County Investigator, his living situation, and his professional integrity.
Linda Walker and Flora Jessop: "The Church, Child Abuse and the Law: Case Studies of Civil Complaints".
Flora is considered by many an expert in the polygamous area, and thus her reputation and the her credibility of her testimony is paramount. Perhaps this expertise has gone unchecked for so long, with only the FLDS crying foul that she plays loose and free with reality in order to garner a positive response for her mission. Perhaps she just has bad information.
If you want to be seen as a credible reporter of facts, the truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity and public accountability of the facts you report needs to be a standard. Without that, there is no credibility.
In my opinion, Floras credibility with those NOT associated with the FLDS is in jeopardy. I have emailed Jay Beswick, and on several board asked for Flora to either substantiate or apologize for the information she presented at that meeting.
THUS FAR, no response.
I will assume - if no response comes that Flora cannot substantiate those allegations, but refuses to apologize.
ANY RESPONSE is better than none. I will find myself questioning every word from her lips should she not address this issue. I'm rather disillusioned at this point anyhow - and I doubt I'm the only one.
Monday, October 23, 2006
Saffire and her baby have been living in a foster home and the court currently has custody of the child, as a judge determined that Saffire is unfit to care for the child. If you have any information about her whereabouts, please contact the St. George Police Department or the Mohave County Sheriff's Office.
For more information, see: http://kutv.com/local/local_story_295213418.html
Sunday, October 22, 2006
David and Guy Allred run a big piece of the show and look what they would do to their father.
We have the power to close the stores and stations and restaurants. It's awesome. All we have to do is have a party. Next time we will party for a week and see if they keep the store closed. :)
Monday, October 16, 2006
Saturday, October 14, 2006
A young man with ties to CC/Hildale was arrested this week in Hurricane for traffic warrants, and his address information listed a Vancouver, WA address.
Has anyone heard of "lost boys" moving to Vancouver? Does anyone know if a Johnson family or anyone else from the CC/Hildale area moved to Vancouver, WA?
Thursday, October 12, 2006
Has anyone heard about this incident, which occurred on September 21st, possibly in Hildale? Does anyone know Mr. Steed or his possible alleged victim?
Given that Thomas Barlow's case resulted in a mistrial, I am curious about other charges against those who have been "kicked" or have left the community. For more info about the Thomas Barlow trial, see:
Wednesday, October 11, 2006
"On Tuesday, during a hearing regarding the property trust, it was revealed that Jeffs had issued a new edict to his followers: "Do not sign your name to any document for property that has already been consecrated to God." Jeffs was not at the hearing.
This latest proclamation could complicate plans to reform the 110-million dollar United Effort Plan Trust. A judge is just days away from approving a historic change to the trust by signing a proposed reform plan that would create individual property owners.
Non-FLDS members would likely be the first to receive property, and FLDS member who don't sign the papers would live under a homeowners association. "
Sunday, October 08, 2006
If anyone can enlighten me on origins of the soft monotone voice I would be interested.
Do you think warren, if convicted, will ever be in general population? If so, do you think this demeanor might change with the added stress of general population?
Saturday, September 23, 2006
"I heard through the grapevine that Warren has sent out an edict that he wants no more home schooling there. No more public education, no more private education, no more education PERIOD. That's outrageous. If they are abusing their children, they are giving up their rights. The state needs to go in and test those children rigorously and make sure they're being properly educated."
Can anyone corroborate, refute or rebut?
There are compulsory education laws in all 50 states. Are FLDS homeschooled children required to take standardized achievement tests?
Monday, September 18, 2006
“This law was the right thing to do for the state and for our children,” Rep. Green said.
Friday, September 15, 2006
Wednesday, September 13, 2006
Tuesday, September 12, 2006
Here is the direct link: http://www.thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060910/NEWS01/609100313/1002/
Note also the comments posted by readers
What do those of you who live in the community think about the controversy?
Monday, September 11, 2006
This saddens me, not because I believe it to be true, but because they consider their own government this evil. The filtering of information in this manner is disconcerting, and I am saddened.
Sunday, September 10, 2006
Desert Darling last posted that she heard he was in Missouri. Does anyone have any information that they could provide here, anonymously, to help authorities know where specifically to look? Please ask any friends or family members who might be willing to provide some information as well.
Here's a link to the trib article: http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4315015
and a link the thread archived thread, "Grandpa, Where are you?": http://texaspolygamy.blogspot.com/2006/08/grandpa-where-are-you.html
Saturday, September 09, 2006
Wednesday, September 06, 2006
Monday, September 04, 2006
Thursday, August 31, 2006
Wednesday, August 30, 2006
Warren can probably manage the FLDS better now that he is in jail than a fugitive. Many mafia Dons have done so successfully in the past. No sign of construction slowing down. New slabs are being poured around warehouses. Two new homes are being constructed. New water lines are still being installed. Pit by dairy is intriguing. Fantastic hay crop considering we are getting 95 dollars a bale due to drought. Not as much interest from the media as I thought there would be. Cooler heads have prevailed and kudos go to our local sheriff David Doran for not trying to be like the feds that botched Waco. His Intel told him that Warren was not at the local compound. He has taken a lot of heat but not a shot was fired and not a child injured! Utah and Arizona owe this man an apology!
Chapter 2 of this Saga has just begun. Stay tuned and “ Keep Sweet”.
Tuesday, August 29, 2006
Sunday, August 27, 2006
Their greed is putting innocent children in danger. What part of the child endangerment laws do they not understand?
Thursday, August 24, 2006
Sunday, August 20, 2006
Like the LDS most fundamental Mormon groups are trying to keep alive Mormon traditions and life styles of the religion. And NONE of them can do so without the guidance of the Almighty. And all the ones I know of, don't have the help of the Almighty.
The LDS in there darkness keep the tradition of Conference twice a year and missionaries out in the country. Conference twice a year was needed back then because people came in horse and buggy. They didn't have television and radio, therefore it was the only way to do it..
Now you can broadcast live from Salt Lake City around the world to every LDS Chapel every Sunday with the First Presidency message. Instead they use youth speakers, what a BORING WASTE OF TIME. Puts everbody to sleep every Sunday in every LDS Chapel in the country.
Why keep Conference twice a year??
Because in the darkness of their minds it represents some religious tradition that has some significance. When in fact it was the only way they could do it back in pioneer days. It has no special meaning and they can't even see that. Having not the guidance of the Almighty they fail to move on to more modern means of communication. The same difference with missionaries.
Polygamy can't possibly be lived without guidance from the Almighty. The FLDS and other Mormon groups have everybody in the group live polygamy.. Well that does'nt work. Its not Mormon Polygamy it is something else. In this day and age only a man with CONSIDERABLE income could possibly come close to affording having several wifes. Something most groups try and work around with welfare from the state. That's NOT a good idea.
Friday, August 18, 2006
99.9% of polygamists do it right? I as a pro polygamy avocate beg to differ.
Where you want to promote polygamy as a better life style, I simply want to have the right to live that life style if I so choose. How many time can it be said, polygamy is NOT for everyone.
I watched "Banking on Heaven" last night. I was impressed by testimony of victims. Those people did not imagine their predicament. I especially noticed the harassment and shunning of locals toward the film crew.
Do you think that by ignoring the problem it will disappear? Will it take extreme measures to correct the situation. The rest of this country want children to grow up without fear of abuse. Women the right to wait until they are physically and mentally mature to marry. Young men to have the opportunity to marry. A ban against any girl being forced to marry a man twenty or more years her senior. Each family unit to be self sustaining without governmental handouts. A severe penalty being imposed upon a man who engages in sodomy with young boys or girls and/or incest leading to the birth of a child born of a daughter being bred by her natural father.
8/17/2006 10:34 AM
Has anyone else seen the film? What did you think?
Thursday, August 17, 2006
women said:I would expect that from you. 36 is too old for starting a family? Since you are "Fundy" of course .........
Fundy says: The problem here is if you haven't found somebody to start a family with by 36, odds are your not going to find anybody period.
On the outside all the good men are already taken. And there is room for no more.You being in the gentile world you are SOL. Unless one of the better men happens to get free....
You hoping to find someone but your odds are against you. You may never find someone. In the gentile world if you get beyond a certain age when most young people are getting married, 18 to about 25 or so. Your chances of finding someone decrease every year you stay single. Its been my observation that women who get to your age without being married usually, but not always, have some type of problem that keeps them from marriage.
However I don't claim to know your situation personally.
Wednesday, August 16, 2006
Being able to marry the men who attract most women means they don't have to settle just for what's left after other women have the best pickings.
Having the possibility that a husband can remarry without divorce extends practical security to a woman. She needn't worry about losing her husband and income as she loses her looks, because if her husband is attracted by a younger woman, he doesn't even have to think about leaving his wife.
With the spirit of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as a guide ("Congress shall make no law respecting instabilities of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; . . . "), it is easy to recognize that "perfect toleration of religious sentiment" requires the majority of Utahns, who reject polygamy as a way of life, to be tolerant of the small minority of Utahns who believe, as part of their religion, that plural marriage is the key to their eternal salvation. If the threat of legal sanctions against polygamists in Utah were removed, and if (as guaranteed by the first paragraph of Article III in the Utah StateConstitution) the religious sentiment of a relatively small minority regarding polygamy were tolerated by the majority, then polygamists inUtah could be publicly open and honest about their families.
Fundy likes to erase his threads. Which means you might have been having a really interesting discussion, or there is important information on a thread you would like to make reference to, and poof it's gone.
I'll try and post reminders as often as I can at the bottom of his threads. Please post responses to Fundy's topics in a different thread - ANY thread, the conversation will start over.
If everyone can remind people NOT to post on Fundy's threads, and if we can be more assertive about starting a new blog topic for people to have discussion that would be great.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006
The LDS Church, which brought polygamy with it to Utah during the mid-1800s, has been busy trying to induce amnesia by pretending the faithful never lived polygamy or ever defended it as a commandment from God. The LDS Church as an institution will barely accept its own history about polygamy much less take responsibility for the legacy left by it.
The LDS are trying their best to lie to everyone, including their very OWN members. IF YOU ARE LDS you really need to understand the amount of lies that your leadership, Gordon B. Hinkleberry, are trying to feed you.
The point here is how do you trust a church which is obviously lieing to its members? When are they telling the truth and when are they lieing? All you LDS out there, You Cannot trust a church which lies to you.
The truth be known, Hinkleberry is only a relic, which is used for display purposes only. Other people are in charge at the LDS church.
Monday, August 14, 2006
Friday, August 11, 2006
I know that you didn't feel good about the way things were going as far back as the last October Fest.
Oh Grandpa, Where are you?
Do you have a place to stay? Are you taken care of? How is your heart condition? Have you recovered from your open heart surgery? None of your kids (at least the ones that will talk to me) know where you are. Enid, I saw you last week, why didn't you tell me!!!!?
Grandpa, where are you?! Why are you letting them do this to you?
I love you.
Thursday, August 10, 2006
Carl Johnson son of Orval and Rose Johnson
died of a roll over accident
approx 20 years old
no mention in newspaper, will prob be buried in a unmarked grave
The last few funerals have been at peoples houses with just a graveside service.
Today's service is at the LSJ Meeting House.
Rick Holm's son was at Ed's House
Charles Williams funeral was at Tom Holm's house
Elmer Barlow was at Ladell Bistlines house.
(I hope I have the names right)
Wednesday, August 09, 2006
Here's a fantastic summary of what law enforcement is up to regarding Warren Jeffs:
And here's a rather surprising news item about polygamist children: