Thursday, January 17, 2008

UEP $100.00 monthly fee

I read recently there will soon be letters sent out to the people living on UEP land respectfully requesting they pay a fee of $100.00 a month. This is not too much different than the fee's or "donations" that were paid a few years ago when I was still out there, but it is, although not as much as most of us pay monthly for rent and house payments, still a little steep for those poor people. My last "donation" was $20.00 a month for a little trailer, and in all honesty it was all I could afford at the time.
Supposedly if this fee is not paid for three consecutive months, another family will be assigned to live in the residence.
I wonder if the families are still receiving a monthly "donation" bill which they pay the FLDS church on top of the UEP fee? I wonder if Mr. Wisan tells them to move if they will do it or stubbornly remain in defiance until they are bodily evicted by the authorities. I wonder if he will even be able to FIND authorities who will do it.

And, I am worried about my family and my extended family.

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

The "faithful" FLDS elders are supposed to be making a $1,000 donation every month on top of the 10% tithing.
IITMOC

Anonymous said...

wtf admin? Let my posts go through.

I think Wisan is serving notice on the city councils. He's trying to do something good but the city councils are putting the brakes on it. They only affect themselves...they are part of the UEP too. Maybe when they figure out that warren or ?? doesn't want them in Texas, South Dakota, Oregon, Colorado, or wherever their compounds are, they'll compare living costs in other towns and start to see the benefits of owning their property and paying their own taxes in Hildale/CC.

LTG

LTG said...

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Anonymous said...

This monthly assessment is all due to the City Council members for Hildale and Colorado City. They are the ones causing this fee. They are demanding that the infrastructure be improved. If the residents don't want to be assessed this monthly fee, then they need to convince the City Council members to accept the surveys and the divisions of lots without requiring the improvements.

It really is all in the hands of the local people.

fttc said...

I just spoke with a relative in CC that received this notice. Along with the 'respectful request' there was a threat that any late/unpaid fee would be penalized at $10 initially and $1.50 per day until paid. I wonder too about my family still there. It seems that the fee should be adjusted for the property. I know that there are families living in mansions and there are families living in mobile homes. If the average is $100 per home why not adjust it to match the home and property? I have a sister that is not on food stamps or gov. subsidies. The family does not drive brand new vehicles. This fee may be the breaking point that drives them to food stamps. I know it sounds ludicrous and I know Wisan cannot make everyone happy. I too am interested to see what happens here.

Anonymous said...

I think it is unfair, because they are already paying property taxes and most people continue making improvments on the property. Why would they charge 100.00 this monthly fee anyway??? So Wisan can use it to get things for himself?? He is a crook. I dont live there but seeing how he handles things seems wrong.

bird said...

i just signed up with e blog so i could posts here on Texas Polygamy. it is not showing my posts........anyone know what i need to do to post here?

Anonymous said...

Well, I have been watching this blog for along time.

Onthestreet has been banded before and the administrator has to monitor the posts because of his potty mouth.

I notice street is back. I suppose he is up to his old self again and the administrator is having to watch what is being posted, again.

Just an observation.

Anonymous said...

It is a fact of life that infrastructure is required for cities and subdividsions. When there was one owner it wasn't needed to have curb, gutter; sidewalk and asphalt and updated fire supression and water lines. When you want to subdivide and ve sell deeds to many owners you have to follow the standards. CC/Hildale are only asking for the fire supression and water line updates. That is generous. The improvements are the developer's responsiblility-The UEP is responsible as the property owner/developer. Usually the infrastructure is done before any homes can be built. Since the UEP allowed building beforehand, it makes it more difficult. $100.00/ month is easier to swallow than getting a bill for improvements of $60,000.00 before you can have your deed.

What I wonder is...when the property is all deeded out, where is the money going to come from to pay tuition etc. on the law suits that have been settled?

Anonymous said...

1:22 Hildale and CC should treat the UEP like they did before Wisan took over. The cities weren't demanding improvements 2 years ago, and houses were going up all over the place.

Or the cities could start charging $10,000 to get a building permit and hook up to water...the town I live in charges around $10-15K, depending on the size of house.

LTG

Anonymous said...

I don't know if any of you read the notice that came before the bill, but it said that the money would be used for legal fees. Both Bruce Wisan and Jethro Barlow are legal accountants; are these the 'legal fees' that will be paid with it?
And Wisan is suing Hildale City because they will not hurry fast enough for him, to get the red tape details of the planning and zoning done, because he wants to sell some lots of land. And even if this $100 is used for developing the undeveloped property, it will not in any way benefit the existing dwellers of the land, but is for the benifit of future landholders. Is this fair?
One more thing, Wisan has admitted to the fact that the Colorado City Town has been working with him. But he wants the job done faster. When they were only dealing with the original UEP owner they did not have to worry about being sued. Now the City must make sure things are proper to prevent future liabilities of who knows who may come in and purchase the land.

Tmuf

bbgae said...

Good Grief, IITMOC!
That's more than $1,100.00 per family. Hmmmm... maybe rent in the surrounding cities IS cheaper.


Bird-
1/20 @ 11:48 is right. Notice the Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author. at the bottom of the comment window? That means it will take time before your posts show up. Last time this happened it was because of Street, and after he calmed down the comment moderation was removed again. Just be patient. :)

bbgae said...

Hi LTG! :) Long time no post!

Anonymous said...

Well the "elect" have roads and utilities and nice new homes in Texas, South Dakota, North Carolina, Arkanas, Nevada and Colorado etc.

The thing you folks in Hildale and Colorado City have is FREEDOM and that has a cost thanks to Warren Jeffs and his tactics.

Get involved with the process, help Wisan and quit griping.

Go to the City Council and quit letting them run over you.

If you think you are done wrong MOVE and go elsewhere you are FREE,too.

onthestreet said...

Last time this happened it was because of Street, and after he calmed down the comment moderation was removed again. Just be patient. :)
1/22/2008 7:06 PM


Ahh, silence is golden! "Be still and know that I am God".

bbgae said...

Sorry, Street, but you are not God.

onthestreet said...

Correct. "Be still, and know that I am God" (Ps.46:10, Is.30:7, Mk.4:39).

It's idolatry to suggest that another has assumed His place without appointment, blinding yourself to the quotes of His Word and accusing another falsely, even as "Lucifer: The Accuser".

Now do you see the propriety: "Be still, and know that I am God".

Anonymous said...

street, practice what you preach!
tinman

bbgae said...

It's idolatry to suggest that another has assumed His place without appointment, blinding yourself to the quotes of His Word and accusing another falsely, even as "Lucifer: The Accuser".




So Street, Does that not make you an idolater for believing Warren is "as God to the people"?

Anonymous said...

Here they go again, rape their daughtersm, throw out their sons, and ask them for money to defend the lead rapist...

Good old FLDS...The fires are coming...

onthestreet said...

1/29/2008 9:28 AM

Not only "as God", but GOD with us, a god which is a father to the people, as our Eternal Father is also God over them all, see. God appointed marriage. We all know that. So, if a leader is appointed and accepted to lead and to marry, and to bring forth children, is he not a father? We all know that too.

You see, all the above is just accusatory of everything and completely anti-FLDS, in spite of the facts:

1. FACT: That government-approved aid was government-approved, according to their strict requirements of any and all who receive aid.

2. FACT: That the high-ratio per capita in aid is merely from the fact that they have much larger families, which all believers will agree is pleasing to God ("Let the little children come, etc... for of such is the kingdom of heaven"). You not believing it doesn't hardly make FLDS criminal for believing and for practicing their belief.

3. FACT: The FLDS like none other are chased into the desert to live, because of their faith and belief, which obviously necessitates more assistance, not because of the FLDS and their faith, but because of the crimes against them and their faith, to abide in the law and word of God regarding the multiplying of children and wives. Again, you not believing it doesn't hardly make the FLDS criminal for believing and for practicing their belief. Quite the opposite.

4. FACT: In your third paragraph above you start out: "But, I do have to say that I surely do not believe..." See, that's it, you do not believe, not even the continuous media reports and ongoing charges of police abuse and intrique to set up and accuse a desired target, scandals that are well-known and practiced in this country. You don't believe they would hurt kids? They only KILL 1.5 million babies every year, because that is the law. Believe it, they're doing it.

5. FACT: Your above post merely demonstrates that you're an anti-FLDS activist or critic, jumping on the bandwagon of assault and intrigue and coverup.

6. FACT: The FLDS never has and never will bend you worldly masses in order to curry a favorable opinion of corruption. They do just the opposite, and that is what throws you all into the mire. "If I posted this, if I posted that, but without saying so and so, and then bend it to match your opinion, and then totally abdicated whatever truth and moral might be left"...you say, THEN I might be acceptable. GOD FORBID! For you are totally unacceptable, and that is what just pisses you off. Once people "take my opinion into account", then I would know that I have fallen to your level.



7. FACT: You say: “I believe that a lot of what the FLDS get is what they ask for by ripping people off, treating their own the way they do for questioning…”. See, you do not believe the Word of God and Christ Himself, who says it best: “Be ye come out as against a thief”, when they came to arrest him. They were even treating Him as a thief. What the FLDS Church takes with them is their own belongings, and you call that “ripping people off”. Okay, what about “treating their own the way they do”, as you put it? Christ did they same “for those He loveth He chastiseth, else ye are bastards” (Heb.12:8). His words, not mine, through His apostle. Also, Mt.10:34: “Think not that I am come to bring peace…I am come to set family against family…” His words, not mine, but you hate Him, your Redeemer, and His words, and fight against Him: Antichrist.

See, your problem is just that you don’t believe the Word of God, and do battle against it and against Christ, making you the antichrist. Just because you hate Him and His word, doesn’t mean that the FLDS has to follow suit and in lockstep to satisfy your fanny.

8. FACT: You say: “I suppose when the FLDS opens up more to the world… the FLDS could live a more peaceful life”. Again, you disbelieve and hate God and His Christ, for they say: “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God” (James 4:4). Also, “Come OUT of the world, and be not partakers of her sins” (Rev.18:4). See, the FLDS are just the opposite of you who violate the Word of God and sell your bodies and souls like prostitutes, to curry favor the favor of the world, as you try to drag others down with you. “Then I will proclaim: Depart from me, ye cursed. I never knew you” (Mt.7:23, 25:41).

That is the end of the matter, while with you it’s eternal agony which must follow you to the grave, and far far beyond.

Street

onthestreet said...

Good old FLDS...The fires are coming...1/29/2008 10:11 AM

Hopefully. "God dwells in everlasting burnings" (Is.33:14).

Anonymous said...

Oh Yes! Help Wisan do his job. HE HAS MORE POWER THAN WARREN JEFFS. HE HAS NO COUNTER BALANCE AND THE TRUSTEE DON'T EVEN GET TO VOTE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING.

FORGET THAT!

onthestreet said...

See, there are some about, who posses a goodly measure of intelligence and the love and fear of God, not of man. To fear and to stoop to man and his corrupt law, is idolotry and the selling out of the prostitute to the highest bidder, in this case the LDS Church and their government cronies, who themselves sold themselves as prostitutes to get gain (for statehood in 1890).

Anonymous said...

OK, Wisan is dismissed and the state leaves the UEP to it's own devices.

What will happen to your family and your home and the UEP?

The thugs will rule again with an iron fist and you will still be unhappy.

onthestreet said...

No, not uphappy if you're ruled by an iron fist, or an iron rod, not if you love the Lord. That is the exact kind of rule that He prescribes. Do you love the Lord?

"And He shall rule them with a rod of iron" (Rev. 2:27).

See, that is good, a strict rule like Warren's, which follows the strict order of the Word of God in your own scriptures.

Or, you can bolt, and then you've still got iron (an iron bolt), and then you know not what you worship, nor the wages of sin that you must endure.

onthestreet said...

"Fist" in the Hebrew is "egroph": Grasping. If you can't grasp it, or the Lord can't graph you and claim you as His, then there is a loose fist, and ye are lost.

"He that spareth the rod hateth his son" (Prov.13:24)

"The rod and reproof giveth wisdom" (Prov.29:15).

Anonymous said...

1/31/2008 4:19

Perhaps, but is there not at least some honor among thiefs?

onthestreet said...

"I shall come as a thief in the night" (Jesus Christ): Mt.24:43

Anonymous said...

Ya know, I am happy with the Trustee revisions. I am not happy with the take everything to SLC and the "creekers a too dumb to solve their own problems."

It started here and it will be fixed here. It doesn't take a Laker to be in charge. After all look at what the last one did.

I believe the only thing that held the UEP together this far is because it had 7 Trustees to balance each other out. What is there to balance anything right now?

onthestreet said...

A NOUGHTY WIDDO MOUSY Said:
I believe the only thing that held the UEP together this far is because it had 7 Trustees to balance each other out. What is there to balance anything right now? 2/02/2008 5:49 PM

REPLY:
One man with God is the majority. Conversely, a seven-headed leadership is just a seven-headed monster. The Christian doctrine is, and always will be, one God, both in heaven and on the earth.

onthestreet said...

Counselors are just that, not the leader. There must always be the final word, from one man, the worthy senior, which is only known by his fruit ( ), and weighed by God’s Word. Then, your fruit is berry berry splendid!

Street

Anonymous said...

believe the only thing that held the UEP together this far is because it had 7 Trustees to balance each other out. What is there to balance anything right now?

2/02/2008 5:49 PM

those 7 trustees were no more than androids; remotely controlled by someone who was not even the so called "key man", and if evicting woman and children from there homes for no more reason than being married to someone that the puppet master didn't like; is holding things together, then theres not much left to be said. good riddance
to the UEP.

onthestreet said...

There is the presidency, which is a council of three. It pertains to the church, the temple, and the Holy Trinity throughout the science and art of creation, the theory and practice in all things (I Kings 7:21, 2 Chr.3:17):

1. Jachin (positive forces)
2. Boaz (negative forces)
3. Equalibrium

The Counsel of Seven pertains to the Priesthood, and they too are swallowed up in the equalibrium of decision or decree (God's Will), the gathering of all into one, until they form one purpose, one direction, and move as one flock.

Anything less is just confusion and dissolution, without effect, the casting off of rebellion and disunion. This is the entire history of both heaven and earth.

The astronomers see this every day, the casting off of matter and reuniting it into new world systems.

Street

Anonymous said...

street yer under a strrroonng delusion.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
The "faithful" FLDS elders are supposed to be making a $1,000 donation every month on top of the 10% tithing. IITMOC - 1/17/2008 5:00 PM


REPLY: Faithful is the operative word: The 10% is the tithe (tenth). The $1,000 is the offering: The "tithes and offerings" required of the Lord (2 Chr.31:12, Mal.3:8), until the FAITHFUL have given not 10%, not 30, nor 60, but ALL, 100%, the casting off of all matter, and reuniting it in the Lord who owns it all.

“But he that received seed into the good ground (into the father of the people, one man: “None good but the father”: Mt.19:16), is he that heareth the Word and understandeth it, which also beareth fruit and BRINGETH FORTH (to him): Some an hundred fold (a hundred-percent folded), some 60, and some 30” (Mt.13:23).

Anonymous said...

“Now hear me, and I will try to talk so that you can understand.

I will presume to go a little further than I did, with regard to the President of the Church, and say to this people, a man might have visions, the angels of God might administer to him, he might have revelations, and see as many visions as you could count; he might have the heavens opened to him, and see the finger of the Lord, and all this would not make him the President of the Church, or an Elder, a High Priest, an Apostle; neither would it prove that he was even a Saint: something else is wanted to prove it.

Why I mention this, is because of the frailty, weakness, and short-sightedness of the people.

If a man should come and tell you he had had a vision, and could appear to substantiate his testimony that he had had the heavens opened to him, you would be ready to bow down and worship him; and he might be, at the same time, perfectly calculated to destroy the people-one of the biggest devils on earth.

He would appear to be one of the finest of men, to be honest and unassuming, and come with all the grace and generalship of the devil, which is so well calculated to deceive the people.

Admit this to be the case.”

Was Brigham Young speaking of Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith or himself Street?

onthestreet said...

Feb.7-Tx-UEP-Fruits

Was Brigham Young speaking of Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith or himself Street? 2/06/2008 5:49 PM
___________________________________


REPLY (Page 1):

Yet, the same fineness and ability can fully be attributed to Christ. He certainly had visions and angels administered to him. So no, you simply cannot admit your assertion to be the case. Brigham was not speaking of neither Warren, Joseph, nor himself, nor of Christ, for these men are “KNOWN BY THEIR FRUITS” (Matt.7:16).

Christ was and is most concerned with the body (the church), the mind (of God), the soul (of man), and the Spirit. All would agree with that. So He is most concerned with the fruits of the body, mind, soul, and spirit, which are:

Body-Children: Who has more the Warren's 100?

Mind-Discipline: Who has disciplined more than Warren?

Soul-Truth: Who has spoken the truth more directly than Warren, so much that it stings?

Spirit- The world knows that Warren is spiritual, being accused the world over for Spiritual Unions, even nine to the power of…and then Nein, no, or none, through the violence and the guilt of all of his accusers.

onthestreet said...

Page 2: FRUIT OF THE BODY (Children): The world knows that Warren Jeffs has more than any.

Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament - Google Books Resultby G Johannes Botterweck, Helmer Ringgren, Heinz-Josef Fabry - 2003 - Religion - 640 pages
DESCENDENTS, THE FRUIT OF THE BODY, are the reward of the man blessed by Yahweh (Ps. ... In a reverse fashion, the divine promise of such fruit of the body ...books.google.com/books?isbn=080282336X...

Psalm 127:3 Behold, children are a gift of the LORD, The fruitSee, sons are a heritage from the Lord; THE FRUIT OF THE BODY, is his reward. Douay-Rheims Bible behold the inheritance of the Lord are children: the reward, ...bible.cc/psalms/127-3.htm

A Biblical and Theological Dictionary: Explanatory of the History, ... - Google Books Result by Richard Watson, Nathan Bangs - 1832 - Bible - 1003 pages. THE FRUIT OF THE BODY SIGNIFIES CHILDREN : " Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body." By fruit is sometimes meant reward : " They shall eat of the fruit of ...
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onthestreet said...

Page 3: FRUIT OF THE MIND (Discipline): The world has long spoken against the strict discipline of Warren Jeffs.

Mirror of the blessed Virgin Mary: text - IntraText CTBut the best FRUIT OF THE MIND is charity, of which the Apostle says: "Now the ... who in the discipline of every sort of trial have a soul so patient, ...
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Sathya Sai Service Organisation of South AfricaNowadays, emphasis is being laid on DISCIPLINE and regulated behaviour (Nishta), ... THE FRUIT OF THE MIND and the waters of tears of bliss to the LORD.
...www.srisathyasai.org.za/programs/Health.asp

In Yoga the basic DISCIPLINE IS PROPER CONTROL OF THE MIND. Patanjali describes Yoga aptly as ...... Similarly, the word 'fruit' means the fruit of the mind...
sss.vn.ua/guide_in.htm.

Christ visited India in his teens to learn and to teach that ancient tradition descended from Adam through Japheth (Ja-peth or Pet-an-Ja-li). The founder of the Royal Yoga of India is Patanjali, which is Japheth, the son of Noah, and has to do with healing, walking on water, levitation, and the like.

onthestreet said...

Page 4: FRUIT OF THE SOUL (Truth): The world knows that Warren is Truth. How? Because truth stings. When you consider that even the ruler of Jerusalem, Pilate, had to ask the condemned innocent man: “What is truth” (Jn.18:38). What happened? As soon as he asked for truth, all accusation left him. “For when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews and said unto them: I find in Him no fault at all” (John 18:38). Truth is troth, verity, law, frankness, precision. He oversees the precision of world-class machinists (Western Precision, or New Age Mfg).

The Hebrew is “Uwth”: Assent. Warren has assented to set free all who desired to be set free from God’s Work, and to discipline all who desired discipline for an ascent. “Owth” or oath, marriage and temple covenant: The Oath and Covenant, which Warren is well known for practicing. Also: Another Hebrew term for Truth is “Amown”: Populous, established. The world has seen full well his work to establish a population in the earth, after the Order of God. So he is the man who possesses the fruit of the soul (Truth or populous established), and “Ye shall know them by their fruits” (of body, mind, soul, and spirit): Mt. 7:16.

St. Basil, Address to young men on the right use of Greek literature
.... |104 though at the same time it puts forth for ornament the leaves which quiver on its boughs, even so the real FRUIT OF THE SOUL IS TRUTH, ...
www.tertullian.org/fathers/basil_litterature01.htm

Evangelii Praecones: In the same way the primary FRUIT OF THE SOUL IS TRUTH ITSELF; but the garb of natural culture is a welcome addition, just as leaves provide shade for the ...
www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_02061951_evangelii-praecones_en.html

onthestreet said...

Page 5: THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT: The world knows that Warren is spiritual, being accused the world over for Spiritual Unions, even nine to the power of…and then Nein or none, or no.

Fruit Of The Spirit
Fruit Of The Spirit - The nine visible attributes of a true Christian life: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and self-control.
www.allaboutgod.com/fruit-of-the-spirit.htm

Fruit Of The Spirit
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By examining each one of these fruits by which your Lord and Redeems proclaims to all the world the precise means by which ye shall know between true and false prophets, in a mind that is freed from greed and accusation and hurt, the whole world would see what thousands see and testify and rally around to this day, in Warren Jeffs, even after his conviction and imprisonment for the lowest of crimes, as a common criminal and the least in the kingdom of God, because of matrimony and bearing Children, for “of such is the Kingdom of Heaven” (Mt.19:14). That is just another witness to the world by which God’s true church shall be known: “No greater a prophet…yet, he that is least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater” (Mt.11:11). I think that the world would agree that Warren is considered least in the Kingdom, so he fits the bill with yet another witness.

Anonymous said...

Street you don't have a clue about God's true church.

onthestreet said...

Street you don't have a clue about God's true church-2/07/2008 3:07 PM

REPLY: Correct, for it is simply that GREAT, far beyond the understanding of the common man. That is a fine observation:

Clue or Cluster, to fill the universe with stars and clusters of stars, to no end, and that in itself is a GREAT clue. Then you have "Clue", Keluw, or Kalah: Wives, Completion, Perfection.

onthestreet said...

It's the topic of this thread: UEP or United Effort, Union of Effort in Plurality, which never ends. The only United Effort Plan is on the plain of Texas. Anywhere else is disunion, where men take advantage of women instead of uniting them in the Lord.

Anonymous said...

Street
Texas YFZ will fall, too.
Women are being taken advantage there. How could they complain and two whom?

The United Effort Plan can only work when Christ comes back and we are changed in a twinkling of an eye, into His likeness, perfect in the blood of the Lamb.

onthestreet said...

Oh, Christ has come. He is here, changing men into His likeness and perfection. All who reject His Word will never see His face.

Anonymous said...

clue or Cluster, to fill the universe with stars and clusters of stars, to no end, and that in itself is a GREAT clue. Then you have "Clue", Keluw, or Kalah: Wives, Completion, Perfection.

too much kalua, street.
tinman

Anonymous said...

All who reject His Word will never see His face.


oh but Bubba will see the other side of him.

onthestreet said...

too much kalua, street.
tinman 2/08/2008 8:12 AM

LOL: Or kaleido-scope. Yah, looks that way doesn't it. That's the thing with the true UEP: A coat or light of many colors, sewn into one coat.