Saturday, January 26, 2008
10 year old girl dies in rollover
Wayne Thorton Fischer adopted son of Vaughn Fischer is in charge of the South Dakota Compound. he is married to Nancy Jessop, Joni Cooke Jeffs, Trish Barlow and he was driving a Duramax Truck with a camper shell full of 15 girls. He hit black ice and rolled the truck. His 10 yr old daughter was dead on impact and 3 others are in very critical condition. I heard one broke its neck and another its jaw. Funeral was held Jan 15th at the lsj meeting house in Colorado City. The rumor was that when the cops arrived on scene they just handcuffed him and took him to jail for involuntary man slaughter. (But he was at the funeral) All rumors, hope someone can confirm.
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It appears that the leaders of the FLDS compounds are merely being targeted for a systematic assault to dismantle the FLDS Church. Who knows, maybe the accident itself was rigged, like Lady Di’s accident. This appears to be the case.
Fort Wayne Observer:
New seatbelt law doesn't make riding in pick-up truck bed illegal. Pickup_truck_riding State Senator Tom Wyss of Fort Wayne is not happy. ...
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Colorado Car Seat Laws - Child Passenger Safety Laws and Seat Belt ...
Children under 16 years old must be buckled in a seat belt. Children may ride in pickup truck beds in Colorado as long as the tailgate is closed and the ...
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“Law enforcement officers are dedicated to enforcing Colorado’s seat belt and ... Sixty-three percent of pick up truck. drivers and passengers buckle up on ...
www.cdot.info/Communications/News/Archive/OP20060516-2GJ.pdf
So in spite of the law in their favor, they lose a child in death by accident on wintry roads, perhaps rigged or greased just for them. Then they’re hauled off to court as criminals, because they have an agenda to “Get Warren Jeffs” and all his supporters, coming and going. Notice that the incident is timed with the state “enforcement blitz”, and with the chief of the Colorado State Patrol stepping in, To Wit (parenthetical statements are mine):
Seat belt enforcement blitz will save lives
Col. Mark Trostel
Thursday, January 10, 2008
Colorado roadways claim the lives of hundreds of motorists every year, and a leading cause of this tragedy is low seat belt use.
As we begin 2008, the Colorado State Patrol (CSP) will join with other local law enforcement agencies to step-up seat belt enforcement efforts January 14-20 to buckle down on those not buckling up.
Too many motorists, especially teens, have the attitude that they are invincible on the road, and a bad car crash will not happen to them. The reality is, serious car crashes can and do happen every day, and the failure to buckle up can be fatal (and we will see to it, especially with the FLDS).
While all teens are at high-risk of experiencing a fatal crash, it has been the experience of the Colorado State Patrol that young males, pickup truck drivers and passengers, as well as people living in rural areas also are among those least likely to buckle up (and we have the records of them all, can track them, and make it happen).
Colorado law enforcement will be out in force this year to help make sure motorists of all ages understand that wearing your seat belt costs you nothing, but not wearing it could cost you a ticket, or worse - your life.
>Col. Mark Trostel is chief of the Colorado State Patrol.
Posted by jgd on January 13, 2008 at 6:32 a.m. (Suggest removal). Why are we wasting our resource going after good drivers, just because they are not wearing a seatbelt.
OK Street if this is the case, the FLDS in Texas practice this deceit too.
Remember a son of Isaac Jeffs (Ron Rohbock son) died when a daughter of Merrill Jessop was driving on the YFZ Ranch and hit a rock in a mini van. None of the three toddlers had on a seat belt. One died, broken neck, one had brain damage from the air bag and last young man was sitting in the back seat unharmed.
Not to mention the 18 year old driving, who was not hurt physically, but I bet mentally she still suffers from her mistake.
Now let see, by your logic, since there are not gentiles or apostates at the YFZ, it had to be one of the elite who put that boulder in the road.
Revelation to Street – Sunday, January 27, 2008, regarding the plots of the enemy of God.
Doom of the wicked is confirmed, and the goodly inheritance promised to the righteous.
My Father! Was the Colorado accident of Wayne Fischer a secret plot of their enemies, to destroy them? Hear my prayer, O Lord! Here I am.
My Son. Peace! Let thy soul be comforted. It is the arousing thunder over abysmal water. Peace! Be still! Deliverance is not yet, but is nigh at hand. The Southwest bringeth my deliverance and my good fortune to all who persevere in my law. Let all who are scattered, hasten ye to erase the tension and complication, and make your way back.
These periods of sudden change are fraught with great importance. Just as rain relieves atmospheric tension, making new buds to burst open, so deliverance from thy burdens in thy scattered condition liberate thee, and new life will burst forth and cover the land. But beware. In success, do not overdo thy triumph, nor push further than necessary. Returning to the regular Order as soon as thy deliverance is achieved bringeth thee good fortune. Attend to any residual matters quickly, that I may bring to pass a clean sweep. Let this be all thy work, day and night, until thou art gathered together in one.
Thunder and rain is the image of deliverance. So do superior men pardon mistakes and forgive misdeeds, the sins of men that induce accident. Through such clarity cometh deliverance. When the doings of men come to light, do not dwell on them. Simply pass over unto my deliverance, the power of my spirit, even as thunder dies away. The hindrance is past and my deliverance hath come. Recuperate in peace and be still, and know that I am God. A yellow arrow is thy reward.
Three cunning foxes are caught. The obstacles in public life are the designing foxes who seek to influence outcomes with the powers that be. They must be removed, saith the Lord, by mine own hand. The yellow signifies measure, and the arrow a straight course. They are measured in the balance and found wanting, while my ways are straight and turneth neither to the right nor to the left. Waste not thine energy on them, but only labor on thy inner strength and thy deliverance in Zion. This is thy weapon on all that is false and low. It proves to the inferior that thou art earnest. Then the Prince shoots the hawk on a high wall, for I am the Lord Thy God.
As I foretold to my servant Joseph (D&C 38): All flesh is corrupt before me, and the powers of darkness prevail upon the earth, among the children of men, in the presence of all the hosts of heaven, which causeth silence to reign and all eternity is pained. Go ye out from the wicked. Save yourselves. Be ye clean that bear the vessels of the Lord. Mine angels are waiting the Great Command to reap down the earth, to gather the tares that they may be burned. Behold, the enemy is combined and seeketh your lives. Flee unto Zion.
Behold, I have given unto thee a mystery. Prepare to gather and be one, for there ye shall have my law and be endowed with power from on high, and no power shall stay my hand.
Even so, Amen.
I find this article intersting as I thought someone else was in charge of the South Dakota Compound. Can anyone tell me how long Wayne has been in charge in South Dakota? I thought is was a Johnson in charge.
Hey, Charlie!
Is that the best revelation you can come up with?
Even so, Amen!
Street, you should contact Scott Adams. He could use your talent in his comic strip.
This is literally the most amazing blog on the internet. I am riveted.
Anyone who travels without their passengers using the proper safety restrictions is subject to penalty of the law, be they FLDS or anyone else.
The problem is the large families of the FLDS do not all fit into one vehicle so the families are therefore forced to either pile on top of one another with a total disregard for the safety restraints or take several other vehicles. Or obtain a vehicle like an 18 passenger van that does hold them all.
And not all the people can or do do this. Money is usually the issue here.
I do know of some who absolutely refuse to go anywhere unless the children and other passengers all have and use their safety restraints. My in-laws are like that. I was like that when I was still in, but only AFTER I married. Before I belonged to the "total disregard for safety restrictions" group.
When I was thirteen I rode in the back of a camper on a little Toyota pickup with my brother and my sister from Colorado City to Idaho and back again for a summer camping trip. Father just threw down a mattress and we lay down on it and read comic books for the duration of the drive. We had to keep down and out of sight so my brother who was driving would not get pulled over by the police.
Street,
I have to say your first post shocked me. Although I do not believe that people have time to waste to rig accidents just to get to Warren or Warren's group, I thought you for once maybe seemed like an actual person by your first post. But low and behold you had to post a follow up filled with jibberish....darn. You had me fooled that you were actually a smart person that may just be completely brainwashed, yet could actually make sense (which I never believed by any other thing you had posted). Don't get me all excited like that again.
You know, if you posted more often like your first post on this subject (without the accusations that everyone is out to get the FLDS) then you may actually start to get people to listen to your side of whatever the discussion is about. Consider making sense more often. It may make a difference. People may actually take your opinion into account.
But, I do have to say that I surely do not believe that law enforcement went out and put some ice on the road or oil just to hurt some kids and put a man in jail because he is FLDS. Doesn't make too much sense. I believe that a lot of what the FLDS get is what they ask for by ripping people off, treating their own the way they do for questioning anyone and even ripping the government off by not paying for their own families, rather collecting food stamps. I suppose when the FLDS opens up more to the world, rather than hiding their child marriages behind closed gates and watch towers, and letting their children live off of us taxpayers, everyone will not be so interested in what's going on and the FLDS could live a more peaceful life.
Bummer though that you had me going that you are actually a real person with a real mind that actually was close to making some sense :( I wish your other post hadn't let me down so much. It was very exciting for a minute.
Street,
I have to say your first post shocked me. Although I do not believe that people have time to waste to rig accidents just to get to Warren or Warren's group, I thought you for once maybe seemed like an actual person by your first post. But low and behold you had to post a follow up filled with jibberish....darn. You had me fooled that you were actually a smart person that may just be completely brainwashed, yet could actually make sense (which I never believed by any other thing you had posted). Don't get me all excited like that again.
You know, if you posted more often like your first post on this subject (without the accusations that everyone is out to get the FLDS) then you may actually start to get people to listen to your side of whatever the discussion is about. Consider making sense more often. It may make a difference. People may actually take your opinion into account.
But, I do have to say that I surely do not believe that law enforcement went out and put some ice on the road or oil just to hurt some kids and put a man in jail because he is FLDS. Doesn't make too much sense. I believe that a lot of what the FLDS get is what they ask for by ripping people off, treating their own the way they do for questioning anyone and even ripping the government off by not paying for their own families, rather collecting food stamps. I suppose when the FLDS opens up more to the world, rather than hiding their child marriages behind closed gates and watch towers, and letting their children live off of us taxpayers, everyone will not be so interested in what's going on and the FLDS could live a more peaceful life.
Bummer though that you had me going that you are actually a real person with a real mind that actually was close to making some sense :( I wish your other post hadn't let me down so much. It was very exciting for a minute.
You see, all the above is just accusatory of everything and completely anti-FLDS, in spite of the facts:
1. FACT: That government-approved aid was government-approved, according to their strict requirements of any and all who receive aid.
2. FACT: That the high-ratio per capita in aid is merely from the fact that they have much larger families, which all believers will agree is pleasing to God ("Let the little children come, etc... for of such is the kingdom of heaven"). You not believing it doesn't hardly make FLDS criminal for believing and for practicing their belief.
3. FACT: The FLDS like none other are chased into the desert to live, because of their faith and belief, which obviously necessitates more assistance, not because of the FLDS and their faith, but because of the crimes against them and their faith, to abide in the law and word of God regarding the multiplying of children and wives. Again, you not believing it doesn't hardly make the FLDS criminal for believing and for practicing their belief. Quite the opposite.
4. FACT: In your third paragraph above you start out: "But, I do have to say that I surely do not believe..." See, that's it, you do not believe, not even the continuous media reports and ongoing charges of police abuse and intrique to set up and accuse a desired target, scandals that are well-known and practiced in this country. You don't believe they would hurt kids? They only KILL 1.5 million babies every year, because that is the law. Believe it, they're doing it.
5. FACT: Your above post merely demonstrates that you're an anti-FLDS activist or critic, jumping on the bandwagon of assault and intrigue and coverup.
6. FACT: The FLDS never has and never will bend you worldly masses in order to curry a favorable opinion of corruption. They do just the opposite, and that is what throws you all into the mire. "If I posted this, if I posted that, but without saying so and so, and then bend it to match your opinion, and then totally abdicated whatever truth and moral might be left"...you say, THEN I might be acceptable. GOD FORBID! For you are totally unacceptable, and that is what just pisses you off. Once people "take my opinion into account", then I would know that I have fallen to your level.
7. FACT: You say: “I believe that a lot of what the FLDS get is what they ask for by ripping people off, treating their own the way they do for questioning…”. See, you do not believe the Word of God and Christ Himself, who says it best: “Be ye come out as against a thief”, when they came to arrest him. They were even treating Him as a thief. What the FLDS Church takes with them is their own belongings, and you call that “ripping people off”. Okay, what about “treating their own the way they do”, as you put it? Christ did they same “for those He loveth He chastiseth, else ye are bastards” (Heb.12:8). His words, not mine, through His apostle. Also, Mt.10:34: “Think not that I am come to bring peace…I am come to set family against family…” His words, not mine, but you hate Him, your Redeemer, and His words, and fight against Him: Antichrist.
See, your problem is just that you don’t believe the Word of God, and do battle against it and against Christ, making you the antichrist. Just because you hate Him and His word, doesn’t mean that the FLDS has to follow suit and in lockstep to satisfy your fanny.
8. FACT: You say: “I suppose when the FLDS opens up more to the world… the FLDS could live a more peaceful life”. Again, you disbelieve and hate God and His Christ, for they say: “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God” (James 4:4). Also, “Come OUT of the world, and be not partakers of her sins” (Rev.18:4). See, the FLDS are just the opposite of you who violate the Word of God and sell your bodies and souls like prostitutes, to curry favor the favor of the world, as you try to drag others down with you. “Then I will proclaim: Depart from me, ye cursed. I never knew you” (Mt.7:23, 25:41).
That is the end of the matter, while with you it’s eternal agony which must follow you to the grave, and far far beyond.
Street
I like Wayne as a person and he is married to one of my cousins. I wish the best to him.
I truthfully don't know how a guy with three plus wives and a large family can put life on hold, no income and just be part of a compound.
Maybe someone could enlighten me as to how that is building up the kingdom of God or has anything to do with religion.
1/29/2008 5:27 PM
When you say "life on hold", do you mean to put the "world on hold". After all, with all those wives and children, that is certainly a whole heap of life and living, is it not? I'd call that the building of the kingdom, for "of such is the Kingdom of Heaven", says Christ (Mt.19:14). So billions, not being FLDS, clearly have a skewed or non-existent view and appreciation of God's Word. Every criticism leads directly to a criticism of God and His Word, the critic usually not realizing what they're saying until after they have said it.
Street,
I'd be interested in your definition of what a "fact" is.
While you are at it, also tell us what personal responsibility means to you.
Oh, one last thing. Are we persecuted because of who we are, or is it because of what we are?
IITMOC
Street
SHUT UP
"FACT": The Hebrew Paqach: Observant, mandate, Watch, truth, light, lightness, every wind of doctrine pounded thin, as gold is purified and shaped, factual, proven, with exactness. So if it doesn't align with the Word, it's a lie, a faction or splinter.
"Quiteman Speweth:
Street, SHUT UP
1/30/2008 3:01 AM
Well now, that wasn't very "Quiet" of you, was it "Quietman". Now, I want you to be a good widdo boy and...and...right, shut up and remain the Quiteman.
You always know you're hitting the mark when quiet little devils are no longer quiet. Even without proper bodies, they make bodily noises and stink to high heaven. They will not make any comments to the FACTS, nor have anything to contribute, but just spew out noises until they are completely shut out of heaven, for the Lord's wrath is kindled. Then your shut-up shall be granted.
"Take heed to yourselves, that your hearts be not deceived, and ye turn aside and serve other gods and worship them. And then the Lord's wrath be kindled against you, and He SHUT UP the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit" (Deut.11:16).
HA! Exactly my point about jibberish, Street. You are a very entertaining person. No, you don't make sense, but you are very entertaining.
If you can't support your family due to a job loss, a sickness or something of that nature, then yes. The help from the government is for you . BUT if you have a husband and he has 30 wives and he can't afford children then STOP HAVING THEM! If you realized that you cannot afford the children you already have ..DON'T HAVE MORE! God wouldn't say ..please have more children even though you won't be able to feed or clothe them. He would not say, go ahead make a million children that you cannot support.
As far as the government taking time out to put ice or oil on the roads!HAHAHAHA! Darn you're fricking crazy. I don't believe the the government is above this ,but I do believe that the FLDS are not a threat to us and I believe our government is busy doing other things.
And I agree with the person above and would like to know your definition of FACT.
Also, the quotes that you quote out of the bible to me mean nothing. I am a good person that believes in being good to other people and in turn it will come back to you in good ways. I also believe that the bible is made up by some person, even if it was way back when. Even if it wasn't fiction, some PERSON (not god) translated it and read what they THOUGHT itw as supposed to mean. It's all a simple man's word. Just like mine or the person down the street.
Your FACTS are not FACTS to me. And honestly, the quotes from the bible shouldn't even be FACTS to you.
1/30/2008 11:37 AM
The land yielding not its fruit isn't just apples and oranges, but your very life. You are part of the fruit of the land.
Antichrist
1/30/2008 12:55 PM
You don't believe? See, that's your problem. Belief breeds intelligence and truth (a knowledge of facts). To even discount the Word of God as nothing exacerbates your problem, and turns your reasoning and your intellect upside down in inside out.
“If you realize you cannot afford children”, as you say, then you are impoverished from the get go, even without the consideration of economics, for God commands men to multiply endless seed, and He also shows it to us. Look up at the sky at night, and you see endless seed, an infinite universe of populated worlds, endless! You not believe it nor understanding it just demonstrated your impoverished intellect.
“If you can't support your family due to a job loss, a sickness or something…” the FLDS communal order solves that problem, and the more children you have the more you can afford: more work-force, and more wealth, corrupt child-labor laws notwithstanding to destroy the work-ethic in America. To cease the creation of life is to simply roll over and die. What a loser! You screaming to “STOP HAVING THEM!” is just the desperation of the satanic legion of demons operating within you. You say that “God wouldn't say ..please have more children”, wrong! That is exactly what Jehovah says to Adam from the beginning: “Multiply and replenish the earth”, and to the Faithful: “Endless seed” (Gen.13:16), and from Christ: “Let the little children come”. I thing everyone agrees that “endless seed” is more than a million.
See how dead wrong you are, and the whole world, because Satan now deceives the whole world (Rev.12:9).
Crazy government? Everyone knows it, with the scandal and corruption epidemic now sweeping this nation, and even making laws to slay millions of innocent babies. Who is “fricking crazy”? However, you confession that the government is not above this, that they do such things, is very telling.
Scroll up. I defined “Fact”, and the FACT that “the Bible means nothing” to you is also very telling. Then you proclaim yourself as “a good person”, making God into a liar. “There is NONE GOOD but the Father” (Mt.19:16), making you the liar and grossly devoid of fact. God inspires and uses man to write His Word, and Christ Himself read from it at Jerusalem. But I guess the next vomit from your mouth would be: “So what, who cares about Christ”. The Bible Belt is just witnessing the antichrist here and now.
Street
Thats right street but I think you are part of the fruit flies of the land. Buzz Buzz Buzz. Always Buzzing away..
Ahh, but them's honey-bees, my widdo strumpett, some to sting and some to give honey, the cursings or the blessings of the armies of God, according to His designs and His decrees.
Street,
Belief and fact are two entirely different words with much different meanings.
Perhaps you could help me out with this one, Street: If a man has more children than he has resources to support and requires welfare to help raise them, what will he do when he dies and becomes a god? What if he creates more earths and spirit children as a “god” than he can support? Is there some sort of welfare system for the "gods" that can't take care of what they have created?
IITMOC
IITMOC, my hat's off to ya! wold that more people could perceive the depth of meaning in your post.
uncaduff
Skunkeldorph (PEW!): 2/01/2008 10:24 AM
Yes, yes, as deep as a humongous manure pile. (YUK)! And so brown! You see, you miss the FACT that:
"Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen" (Heb.11:1).
"If then God so cloth the grass... how much more will He clothe you, O ye of little FAITH" (Luke 12:28).
Even so little of faith as a mustard-seed "to move mountains" (Mt. 17:20)
Do you see it, people. Faith or belief is the greatest SUBSTANCE and direct POWER, with which NOTHING is impossible, and without which it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. So naturally, that faith or belief is the target of attack, because that’s the whole purpose our existence. We all having helped the gods and angels to kick out Satan and a third of the hosts of heaven, they are here attacking relentlessly, so that the Lord through His Prophet will also have to kick you out. Then the Devil has won your soul, lest your repent.
2/01/2008 11:00 AM
Do you see? Faith is the greatest FACT, Substance, Evidence, Power, and engulfs all others.
street only has two operating functions; he's either spewing irrelevant passages of scripture, or oozing filth and corruption from his own mind.
uncaduff
I offer up a proposition:
All in favor of skipping over Street's posts and never reading them again say Aye.....
AYE AYE AYE, such a spicy meatball for your unruly speghetti. How can ye have one without the other?
AYE!
My sentiments exactly except....
The more important tactic is to NEVER, NEVER respond to street's posts. Will we never learn!?? That's all he is: a streetpost whose light is sputtering out.
Never feed a troll. Let it GO!
Aye, Aye bbgae!!
"It was my custom in my youth," says a celibrated Persian writer, "to rise from my sleep, to watch, pray and read the Koran. One night, as I was thus engaged my father, a man of practiced virtue, awoke. 'Behold,' said I to him, 'Thy children are lost in irreligious slumbers, while I alone wake to praise God.' 'Son of my soul,' said he, 'it is better to sleep than to wake to remark the faults of thy brethren.'"
A dog is not considered good because he is a good barker.
Great post!
Will it leave Iamcurious Charlie barkless?
A dog is not considered good because he is a good barker.
2/02/2008 8:44 PM
Hey, try to tell that to Bob Barker. You will NOT be the next contestant on the Price is Right, because the price for barking dogs against the FLDS is a good castoff to a far away castaway island.
The critics of the FLDS have wakened to remark on the faults of their brethren, so you're right: It is better to sleep than to wake to remark on the faults of thy brethren.
The dogs will bark, but the caravan moves on.
Street
AYE AYE AYE
Why do we let street take over? Let just do what bbgae said. this post was about Wayne Fischer's accident. Did anyone find out if he really went to jail? And if so for how long would he be there?
Also, I have heard of several different people being in charge of the Dakota compound. One was Jerold Williams and the other was Ben Johnson. Can anyone help out? and if Isaac Jeffs and Merril Jessop split, how are these other compounds doing?
Well umm, I think it was either Jerold Johnson or Ben Williams. Not sure about Isaac Jessop and Merrill Jeffs. Hope that proves informative.
As for ig-noring me, that would be just ig-nor-ant, for it would neither prove me ignoble nor as significant as an ant. Heck, I'm not that great (Prov.6:6).
9:33-
IN the news paper article I saw, Wayne was arrested but let out on bail.
Last I heard, Jerold Williams was in charge on the S.D. compound. But that's been a while. He might not be there anymore.
Jerold is not in SD and has not been for a very long time. Ben Johnson has been in charge of the SD compound. I know Ben Johnson was still here in late August.
Does anyone know if the girl was Wayne's or from one of the other families he got?
Does anyone know if the girls was Wayne's or someone else's since he got another family?
Street,
I have read through most of this thread. I'm not FLDS, or LDS, and therefore definitely disagree with your beliefs...however it's obvious to me you have great Faith and are a true believer of your religion. Faith is a gift, and not all have it. I certainly have struggled in my Faith throughout the years, and know it's difficult for it to come back if it becomes lost. So, your blessed for having Faith.
In regards to some of the comments being made about not having more children and wives then can be supported, I don't think it's a matter of Faith the Lord will provide. In Exodus, the Israelites had to depend on God to provide for them. They had no choice. God saved them from the cruelty of Egypt, and then they were at the mercy of God to survive. Having large families isn't an issue of survival, but of responsibilty. Yes, God wants us to multiply and be fruitful, but I think he wants us to do that responsibly.
God gave us minds to use and think about the consequences of our actions and how it will affect ourselves and those around us. Making a decision to have a larger family than you can financially support is irresponsible, and I'm sure God wouldn't want his people to be irresponsible and not take care of family members because they got to large. Family size is a choice. Having a family may be an obligation, and maybe in your view a size minimum...but the size maximum should be a choice made thoughtfully and responsibly.
Your referring to two of these girls as "it" tells me everything I need to know about the FLDS church.
I saw that "it", too. So sad.
Regarding the governmental financial support- the FLDS believe in "bleeding the beast", or letting what they think of as 'the evil government' pay for their upkeep. They regard this as a virtue.
"...he was driving a Duramax Truck with a camper shell full of 15 girls."
"I heard one broke its neck and another its jaw."
Says a lot that you speak of "it" when referring to injured females.
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