Wednesday, August 02, 2006

Is It Really Mormon Polygamy???

The question here is , in Colorado City are they really living Bible or Mormon Polygamy???

And the answer here is unequivocally NO.... They are not living Bible or Mormon Polygamy.
Although that's what they claim. Such is not the case....NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

And neither are 99% of other Mormon groups... Regardless of the old timey clothes and long sleeves they are NOT living Mormon Polygamy as defined by Joseph Smith.

They are living a Communal Family hippie life style... Polygamy under the early Mormon Church never involved the entire membership at all.. It was only about 10% or less. You cannot, absolutely not, live Mormon Polygamy without the direction of the Almighty.

IT IS NOT MORMON POLYGAMY THEY ARE LIVING. Regardless of what the FLDS are telling you.

It is much the same as the LDS temple work. Temple Work was never meant to be done for every person who ever lived. That's ridiculous. Only those who actually needed it . And the names were provided by ministering Angels from Heaven above. They lost the ministering of Angels and now they are in the dark. And don't know to proceed. Their works are without meaning and are dead works.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

i don't like fundy

ATAR_i said...

That was very honest of you anon.

Anonymous said...

Polygamy was no holier as lived in the days of Joseph as it is now lived by the FLDS.

Vile Blasphemer said...

That was all very interesting.

TBM said...

i don't like fundy

I do. We wouldn't have half as much to argue about if it wasn't for fundy!!

I have a feeling fundy is admin, stirring things up a little and keeping it hot!

weblog administrator said...

Sorry to disappoint you TBM, but I am not Fundy. If I were I'd shoot myself.

Just Kidding. How's that for stirring things up?

hoseakwervo said...

Hey Admin...don't go blood atoning yourself!

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (8/03/2006 9:15 AM):
Polygamy was no holier as lived in the days of Joseph as it is now lived by the FLDS.

STREET'S Reply: So true. See, it is the same system and authority, and to answer Funky's original speal for this thread, his speal itself hangs by a thread, and his salvation by a rope.

You see, just because there is a higher percentage now who have united in God's higher law than in the infancy of His Church, is not any proof of its error, but quite the opposite. It is proof of a greater unity of faith.

Unity in the Lord and His law is not error. All humanity knows that.

Anonymous said...

What is pathetic about Fundy is that he thinks he is and they aint. He knows and they don't.

It's no different. That is what they all think.

fundy said...

Street said:
You see, just because there is a higher percentage now who have united in God's higher law than in the infancy of His Church, is not any proof of its error, but quite the opposite. It is proof of a greater unity of faith.

Fundy says:
The higher law cannot be lived without the authority to do so. Same with the LDS church. They cannot even remember what the higher law is.

Without proper authority its NOT there. Neither are the keys that attend the proper authority to seal unto eternal higher principles.

It just exactly the same between the FLDS and LDS. Both claim authority and Keys of sealing.
However NEITHER ONE HAS IT.

The devote members of both LDS and FLDS ALL THINK THEY HAVE IT. NEITHER ONE HAS IT.

Like the saying goes there are few people who can actually handle the truth.

Most of the people who are members of the FLDS or LDS can't handle the truth.

Anonymous said...

So fundy, who has the keys?

Anonymous said...

O.K. fundy who has it?You?

ATAR_i said...

careful - I asked fundy questions like that and he refused to speak to me anymore?

"who are the enemies of zion?"

apparently that question is a tad too much for him to handle.

Good luck with your question.

fundy said...
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onthestreet said...

TAR Said: "who are the enemies of zion?" apparently that question is a tad too much for him to handle.
Good luck with your question.
8/05/2006 1:31 PM


STREET's Reply: Zion is the pure in heart. All that are not pure are Zion's enemies. Pretty simple.

fundy said...

Zions enemies are the same ones who are aligned against Israel and are fighting them at this time.

Anonymous said...

Fundy,

Is plural marriage (polygamy) an unchanging principle? If it is, why do we get so wrapped up in who has the "authority" to administer it?

God didn't send us here to judge each others righteousness based on who we follow, but rather He will judge us on our own works. If our lives are centered on correct principles (and principles never change) we are then only accountable to the Lord.

I think the debate should be whether plural marriage is a correct principle (which should be a cornerstone of our characters) or is it simple an ideal. A principle can stand on its own, will never change, and doesn't require "authority" to make it relevant or available to be used by all mankind. An ideal is no more than an opinion and will always require "authority" as it won't stand on its own. An ideal (opinion, revelation) is constantly changing or changed to fit each new circumstances. If something is constantly changing, it isn't centered on unchanging principle, and will certainly need "authority" to keep it relevant to those who believe it.

It appears to me that we are simply arguing over who has the right (authority) to change (revelation) this ideal (opinion) or use and administer (keys) this ideal.

I I T M O C

Anonymous said...

IITMOC a refreshing voice of reason.

ATAR_i said...

OTS, thanks for that answer.

Fundy seems to disagree.

So, if the enemies of Zion are aligned against Israel - then the Jews, and Countries helping Israel are Zion.

And the middle eastern countries are Not - is that what you mean?

onthestreet said...

Israel is yet scattered. The counterfiet nation-building under the direction of Lucifer is just that, the synagogue of Satan.

Israel as a nation has always had a problem serving the true God of heaven and earth. The Lord Jehovah (Christ) will choose His Zion, man will not. They reject Him. All the world knows that.

fundy said...

Anonymous said...
Fundy,

Is plural marriage (polygamy) an unchanging principle? If it is, why do we get so wrapped up in who has the "authority" to administer it?

Fundy says: Having attended some meetings of fundamentalists lately, their claim for authority is laughable. They all claim priesthood when there is none. Even the LDS claim priesthood but have none..

Plural marriage is just that. Its not Mormon Plural marriage.

onthestreet said...

And not even "Mormon Plural Marriage" is legit, without a legal administrator, as described by the Lord to Joseph and His successors.

Well put, funky (I'm sorry, I meant fundy). Hey, are you trying to identify yourself with the sabboth (Sunday), but can't pronounce your S's. That would certainly make you more fundamental, if you could idenfiy yourself with the sabboth and its Lord and Prophet. Am I correct?

ATAR_i said...

OTS - so the comment you made before this comment can co exist.

You say zion is in the heart, but fundy states it's in Israel.

Perhaps warren doesn't know where zion is, and that's why they are angry and frustrated (I mean his compound is named YFZ, not actually Z).

onthestreet said...

Zion proceeds from the heart, and fills the whole house, and then the city, and then the continent, and then the whole world, and worlds without end.

Jesus said it: Blessed are they who shall be YEARNING (or looking forth for my coming), for only those shall be saved.

ATAR_i said...
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ATAR_i said...

I kings 8:1

1 Then King Solomon summoned into his presence at Jerusalem the elders of Israel, all the heads of the tribes and the chiefs of the Israelite families, to bring up the ark of the LORD's covenant from Zion, the City of David.

Zion in this verse is Jeruselem

Zechariah 9:13

13 I will bend Judah as I bend my bow and fill it with Ephraim.
I will rouse your sons, O Zion,
against your sons, O Greece,

and make you like a warrior's sword.

Zion would be Jerusalem

Zion came to be known as the part of Jerusalem where a fortress stood and later became synonymous with Jeruselem. It's a metonym for Solomon's Temple.

TODAY people use Zion metaphorically to symbolize Jerusalem (the promised land) where God will bring his chosen people.

I don't believe God used Zion metaphorically as we do today. Zion is and was used to represent Jeruselam.

Now, quite possibly you are using an alternate etymology of the word - meaning 'pure'. Because a man had to be pure before he entered the tent with the ark of the covenant was kept. The ark was brought by the Israelites to the Promised Land (itself known as zion pure and holy) because it contained the ark.

When the Israelites were captives they cried for Zion (their homeland and for the ark itself - the state of being pure, holy, chosen).

fundy said...

I don't believe God used Zion metaphorically as we do today. Zion is and was used to represent Jeruselam.

Fundy says: Yes and yes. Jeruselam in the past has been referred to as Zion. As well it should be. It is a place where Zion of the future will be built. There will be a Zion there and a Zion on the new continent. USA.
Solomon's Temple will be rebuilt, not many days from today. Solomon's Temple will be the prominent structure in the City of Zion in Jersusalem. Jesus will come back to claim his OWN PEOPLE.

ATAR_i said...

Interesting, two zions?

So that was Josephs deal - Zion in the US, Zion in Jeruselam?

muggsey said...

I decided that it is a "given" that you folks will accept the word of Joseph Smith and his nineteenth century "revelation" as an authority far superior to the canon of scripture referred to as the Holy Bible. I think your assumption is an error and I personally feel sad that you have been duped by such.

All I can hope for is that in some way I can present a scriptural reference that predates any of Smith's writings and get you to consider it at it's true worth.

The "New" Jerusalem is referred to in future tense as Zion, the throne of God. Now, in my finite mind I cannot concieve just how it all fits together, nor according to scripture is it necessary for me to have all the answers now. At the appointed time everything we need to know will be made understandable. But God, is God and it is not important that I be aware of everything in his Exalted state of awareness or being. Were He to give me that ability, I too could claim to be God. I don't feel equipped to handle the job. Nor would I want the job were it given to me. Not, at least, with my current ability to reason. I am incapable of being God. God is God. I AM is I AM. That is first person singular confirming itself. Nothing pre-existed God.

God is ageless and without peer. God is singular with three separate purposes, Creator, Savior and Communicator. One God, three personalities for specific purposes. Is God divided? No, never. His purpose is never contrary to his being. God the creator, God the Savior and God the Comfortor (communicator) are never out of agreement. One God, one purpose.

Angels are God's creation, just as are the moon, stars and earth. Their purpose is to serve God. They were created for that single purpose only. We will never be angels, angels will never be human.

God who with a spoken word created all these things also created Satan. Satan's role is to be an adversery, the accuser. Satan's eventual defeat is written as fact. There will be no second chance for Him or for the third of the heavenly angels who followed along with his desire to be like God.

Satan tempts man. Man has a choice. He can succumb to Satan's temptation or he can resist and act in accordance with God's better choice.

Temptation is not sin. It is a test. When we slip and fall prey to Satan's wiles, mentally I can see him rubbing his hands (figurativly) together in glee, because we have committed something else for which in judgement we can be accused.

God gave Moses a set of laws to allow mankind to live together in peace and reconcile itself to a living God. The rules are many. A close examination of the rules, in the light shed by experience and as a result of scientific research we have found to make perfect sense.

These rules state acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Rules concerning diet note that eating certain foods can cause serious illness. The practice of incest, sodomy, adultry all bear long range consequences, not only to the participants but to their family.

Extensive laws were given related to worship. The first of these was based upon the first of ten commandments. I AM, you shall worship no other God. (paraphrased)
A lengthy list of rules to be practiced by those contributing to support of the Priests and Levites concerning tithing and free will offerings is given. An even more lengthy list of regulations concerning the duties of the priests, just who may be priests, who may not be priests, and the responsabilities of the Levites regarding worship were written down for future reference.

These same regulations remain exactly the same today as they were at the time Moses received them. A study of the New Testament book to the Hebrews gives great detail as to the fulfillment of Moses Law. Man now lives not under law, but under Grace. The eleventh chapter of this great writing tells of the individuals before and after Moses' time who practiced perfect obedience of the law. How? By their unfailing faith in God's Grace. Note: Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph are named among the faithful. How can this be? Each of these people was born and lived a full life and died before the law of Moses was ever recorded. Again, they were acceptable by their faith.

Please consider that a great many Christians believe firmly in God's word. They do not believe the writings of Joseph Smith, and for good reason. I have stated these reasons before and will not burden you again with that litnany.
Consider this: Why was the law considered imperfect? Could it have been because man, in his own desire to be in control of his own life, bent and twisted the law so that he felt justified by his works? But his works had no merit when they were compared to God's answer to man's feeble attempt at keeping the law through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus, the Christ, on the cross, that through Him we might be saved.

onthestreet said...

TARRY Said (8/08/2006 8:34 AM):
I don't believe God used Zion metaphorically as we do today. Zion is and was used to represent Jeruselam.

Now, quite possibly you are using an alternate etymology of the word - meaning 'pure'. Because a man had to be pure before he entered the tent with the ark of the covenant was kept. The ark was brought by the Israelites to the Promised Land (itself known as zion pure and holy) because it contained the ark.

When the Israelites were captives they cried for Zion (their homeland and for the ark itself - the state of being pure, holy, chosen).


STREET’s Reply: Now you’re talking. That came directly from the Spirit of God, and remember there is Jerusalem, and there is New Jerusalem, like York in the old world, and New York in the new. It is Zion below meeting Zion above, the bride for the bridegroom, all that are pure coming together, until it fills all the world, and then worlds without end.

Joseph is the paraclete for the Last Dispensation, Christ the one for the Meridian of Times, and the other five for the other five days of creation. Together, they form the Council of Seven and are one, under one God, without peer, and His Son, which will redeem them, all who are pure.

muggsey said...

JOSEPH of Genesis was the last patriarch.

The Joseph you revere was such a rascal and such a fraud that if I were he, I would hate to works compared to the first Joseph's. How can any sane person take pride in the life of a person so vile and at cross purposes with not only people from the so called Gentiles but also his followers? It is common knowledge that he stole the little nest eggs that were supposed to assist in care for widows whose husbands had passed away? It will be better for him to have a mill-stone tied about his neck and have been drowned in the depth of the sea, than to face the pending Wrath of the Lamb.

fundy said...

The "New" Jerusalem is referred to in future tense as Zion,

interesting sermon muggsey but i am not sure what your focus was.

Zion is in reality the town that will be a seat of government during the melenial period. Thousand years of peace.

Zion being built means the 1000 years of peace is soon with us. And so is the tribulation.

muggsey said...

Time is in the hands of God, as is eternity. To second guess God's plan it an attempt to replace him.

warren Jeffs repeated mistakes regarding the end of the world only inforce the fact that he is neither a prophet nor a man of God. he is just a little man who's great achievement in life was to snooker a group of otherwide pretty good people into following him. Did any of you witness his appointment? Did he gain his position by vote? Has He EVER offered a prophesy, in any instance that has come true?

My prayer for you is that you awaken from your slumber and rise to overthrow this tyrant, return families to their fathers and children to their parents. What has happened to you is not natural nor God inspired. It is the work of the Devil incarnate, Warren Jeffs.

Anonymous said...

Fundy,
Who are you that makes you think you have so much authority on what is really happening? How do you know that the LDS really don't hold the priesthood? I think that before you make any more claims, you need to actually study with them to see what the LDS are actually claiming. Then maybe your claims would have credibility. You make yourself laughable by only attending a few meetings and then claiming to know what they do and do not have.