Thursday, August 10, 2006

Carl Johnson Funeral

9:00 Thursday Morning

Carl Johnson son of Orval and Rose Johnson
died of a roll over accident
approx 20 years old

no mention in newspaper, will prob be buried in a unmarked grave
The last few funerals have been at peoples houses with just a graveside service.
Today's service is at the LSJ Meeting House.

Rick Holm's son was at Ed's House
Charles Williams funeral was at Tom Holm's house
Elmer Barlow was at Ladell Bistlines house.
(I hope I have the names right)

31 comments:

fttc said...

Why an unmarked grave? Is this the new standard? Was Carl one that was sent away to repent?

wildthangfromCC said...

What is with all the young men dying lately? One more nane to add to the list, Ryan Ream drowned just a couple of weeks ago. Makes ya wonder!

Anonymous said...

20 hour days affecting them?

giz2gaz said...

Young men and boys have been dying for decades in CC. My research documents that boys there are being killed in construction accidents, that young male children are being run over by cars & trucks (not considered a "crime" by AZ & UT law enforcement) and that teenage boys who die, from whatever means, are often buried in the desert in unmarked graves. BTW, the film, "BANKING ON HEAVEN", http://www.bankingonheaven.com, has footage of the graves of these boys.

Maybe just another way to get rid of males who compete with older men for child brides. After all, for every man who takes 2, 5 or 20 wives, that leaves an equal number of young men with no prospect of winning a wife. The solution? Make them die or throw them out.

Anonymous said...

Giz

That's not fair. You are intimating that these young men and boys have been murdered. That is hogwash! I live in a small (population-wise), widespread community that covers perhaps 200 sq miles. Very rural. Families mostly work in agriculture. Those that don't themselves often have teenagers work for neighboring farmers. In the past four or five years I can think of perhaps ten young boys killed in accidents. With a population of approximately 700, if you do the math against 10,000 it is not that far off.

I realize there is some difference between farming and construction (labor laws, etc.). But these people are VERY family oriented and do try to take their children with them to work. Though the money may be a factor with some men it is not with the majority. They really want something for the youth to do. I am not denying that children are doing some things beyond thier age capacity. I have seen children in my community driving ten tons of equipmetn down the road when they had to about stand up to see over the steering wheel of the tractor. Foolish yes, but these people are not FLDS.

desert darling said...

These people love their sons, they are considered the next army of Heleman, those of such great faith that none of them were harmed in battle.
How terribly unfair to say that teen boys have been murdered and hidden in the desert. Duh....our graveyard and whole community is in the desert.
I personally helped to sew about 50 dresses for all the female relatives of one particular boy who died in a construction accident. It was a very sad day for the crew and the family.
If any were to be happy about loosing the youth, it would be the current tyrant of the FLDS or maybe one or two older "great big elders" of a few years ago. They have been more than suficiently humbled now.

desert darling said...

Giz, you rub my fur the wrong way, even if I am in your *(^%documentary. Too bad I didn't have a say as to how you put it together.

ATAR_i said...

I'm not intimating anything.

But my curiosity was piqued when people kept on mentioning, suicides and accidents.

I guess I wondered if the order to blood atone had been given?

Perhaps it's just a lot of bad luck all at one time, perhaps...

Anonymous said...

Have we all been bamboozled. Affible atari is realy raunchy giz2gaz. Makes one wonder.

fttc said...

This is an interesting phenomenon that I have noted for years. It seems when one accidental death occurs, very soon there are several others. They seem to come in bunches, at least in the CC/Hildale community.

It may be that there are more child/teenage/young men deaths in the Creek per capita than other communities. The fact is often not understood or overlooked that the percentage of youth to adult is very high. As high as three times what a non-polygamous comparable community has. When the numbers are looked at in their true light it is not so out-of-kilter.

Given what has been discussed on this blog about blood atonement and the 'lost boys' it is very easy to think these deaths to be intentional. Perhaps they should be investigated by LE. It wouldn't hurt. But Giz2Gaz's statement was pretty cut-and-dried, and I think uncalled for. It is especially irresponsible when he is claiming to have inside information from making his documentary. To me it severely damages his integrity and shows a degree of bias that raises red flags about the film.

BTW young men and boys have been dying the world over not for decades but centuries. :-(

Anonymous said...

The FLDS men drive miles and miles and several have been stopped because law enforcement thought they were drunk, they were just sleep deprived. A vehicle being driving by a sleep deprived person has the same MO of a drunk driver.
And sadly the same results, accidents.

red rocks girl said...

death always comes in 3's I have noticed...and babies come in 2's
just something to think about

desert darling said...

Have noticed or been told?

As a youth in FLDS, I heard somewhere that death comes in 3's so when there was a death we would start noticing more. If there were 5 in the same two month period we had to invent something like, well in the priesthood work.

ATAR_i said...

anon - thanks for the compliment, but no, that's not me.

Anonymous said...

Who is charles williams?

rumor-has-it said...

Robert Williams and Millie Williams son that is now part of Tom Holms family.

I think his name is Nathan Charles but cause Tom had Miltons son Nate they changed it to Charles. All by hearsay, I could be wrong. Don't know the kids at all.

Anonymous said...

Ok. Who is Elmer Barlow?

Anonymous said...

Glen and Elaine Bistline Barlow's son fell from the rafters at the airport. His dad was kicked some time before and was placed under the direction of Ladell Bistline. Just after his funeral, I heard Ladell was kicked...

Anonymous said...

How long ago did Elmer die? What does "placed under the direction of Ladell Bistline" mean? Where is Ladell now now?

Louis Barlow died in May 2004, four months after having been "kicked" according to The Spectrum newspaper. The cause of death was not released to the public. Does anyone know how he died?

Uncle Ratt said...

Louis Barlow decided to stop taking his heart medications. It is assumed he died of a heart attack. He really died of a broken heart. Mark up one more for Warren.

Elmer Barlow's funeral was held in the home of Lyndon Bistline, brother of Ladell Bistline. The families who were under Ladell's care, were given to Lyndon when Ladell was kicked. This indicates that Elmer must have died in just the last few weeks. The accident, however, happened several months ago. His neck was broken and he was paralyzed. He must have lingered for several months before dying.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Uncle Ratt. Do you know if there was any investigation into Elmer's accident? Was he taken to Dixie Regional Medical Center? When was the funeral? How old was he?

Thanks,

Concerned

Uncle Ratt said...

It was probably investigated by the CC marshall's office. I'm sure he was taken to DRMC, but I think that he ultimately was sent to Las Vegas. I don't know when the funeral was. It was all kept secret. I think they buried him in the night. I think he was mid to late teens. I'm not sure.

ATAR_i said...

OK, there are a tad too many funerals announced on this board - is anyone else getting creaped out?

'go away and be a missionary, but don't take your heart medication.'

'drive over that ledge'

I'm sorry, a population of 10,000 doesn't have this many young individuals die. These aren't farm related accidents (heard that argument). They sound deliberate, but with just enough personal choice to not raise any flags.

LE - have you noticed?

What do you guys think?

Anonymous said...

Uncle Ratt,

Thanks for the information about Elmer Barlow. It seems like some investigation should have been done by law enforcement, especially if he was in his mid to late teens.

Do you know how he was transported to the hospital after the accident?

Thanks,

Concerned

Anonymous said...

atari:
The average age of the people in CC is very young, it's not like your run-of-the-mill Texas town. A significant portion of the population is under 21, the ratio of kids to adults is very high, so a good portion of the deaths are young people. Unfortunately accidents do happen, and they happen more often to young people.

onthestreet said...

TAR Said: What do you guys think (about all the FLDS deaths): 8/25/2006 7:29 AM


STREET’s Reply: You will find that throughout scripture, whenever the people of God, or individuals of the House of God, began to get out of line, then the Lord Himself attacked, to whip them back into line. This is obvious from Genesis to Revelation. God Himself is the giver and the taker of life, and especially among his own people, Israel, whom He loves as His choicest Son, His heir, that small and elect remnant who still live the first principles, as well as the crowning principles, of His Gospel.

What does He say: “I the Lord chasten those whom I love” (Heb. 12):
6. For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8. But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Anonymous said...

Street, OTS or Iamcurious
Jesus set the rules.
It would do good for Warren to read this again, and practice.

MATTHEW 18:15 And if thy brother sin against thee, go, show him his fault between thee and him alone: if he hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
18:16 But if he hear thee not, take with thee one or two more, that at the mouth of two witnesses or three every word may be established.
18:17 And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican.
18:18 Verily I say unto you, what things soever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and what things soever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
18:19 Again I say unto you, that if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father who is in heaven.
18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

18:21 Then came Peter and said to him, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? until seven times? 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times; but, Until seventy times seven.

ATAR_i said...

A Khalerye

onthestreet said...

Yes, forgiveness is good. It is gospel, the Gospel of Christ and of Warren. When you repent, he will forgive. There is no forgiveness when pride and rebellion and the challenging of the Lord's Anointed continue. No forgiveness, except to the repentant. "When he asks your forgiveness", then forgive, even unto 70x7. See?

ATAR_i said...

ots - is it wrong when someone screams angrily at you 'go to hell!'?

onthestreet said...

TAR Said (9/02/2006 10:31 AM):
(ots - is it wrong when someone screams angrily at you 'go to hell!'?


STREET’s Reply:
Correct. Not all are perfect saints (yet). But they’re getting on the right track (2 Peter 2):

9. The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.