Tuesday, December 26, 2006

This corner of the world

Merry Christmas to all! From the town with no Christmas lights and all businesses open Monday Morning. (bet you couldn't find another town like that across the US)

Sunday morning Paul Holms' house (Joe Knudson's old house) caught on fire, I assume from a plugged chimney. Within hours, they had framing crews, dumpsters, manlifts, forklifts and work crews over framing it back together. It is all closed in by Monday and they redid the entire roof by moonlight Monday night.

Out of the 12 empty houses abandoned by the FLDS, one is a 20 bed/20 bath house in Hildale and one of simular size in CC. What do you think about that?

Kyle Steed (Nate Steeds son) story was a rumor. It's not true.

John Nielson (Jeffs) moved out of town with 7+ wives and family and his Nielson Door business building is for sale. Reliance Lighting Building for sale too! First ever Real Estate signs in this town.

71 comments:

ATAR_i said...

A. That's wonderful how they got the house up so fast.
B. Is there no Christmas in the twin towns?

Anonymous said...

The news about Kyle is disturbing. How can this be verified? I cannot find any info about him being killed. Was there an obituary? Where was his funeral held?

Anonymous said...

Interesting note on the real estate signs. Is there a brokerage handling the transaction, or are they For Sale By Owners (FSBO)? Reliance's website shows their address is 740 N. Pinion St. in Hildale (www.rlights.com). Are the buildings empty or just for sale?

Anonymous said...

Whats the status of the homes left ababanded?? Are people able to lease them out??

Anonymous said...

to: rumor-has-it,

Is this true? about Kyle Steed, just wondering, Our family knew him as he lived on our street in CC. Is this the first killing involving an inmate at Purgatory jail?

This is the first time I've heard of it, is it under investigation? do they know who was responsable for his death?

Has any news agency reported this, or is it just rumor?

Anonymous said...

Kyle Steed (Nate Steeds son) killed in Purgatory Jail.?????

Was this in the newspaper? How can there be a "killing" in the county jail and nobody knows about it? It doesn't matter if the person is from the Creek or not, this would be (should be) news in Washington County!

rumor-has-it said...

The rumor about Kyle is just a rumor...I checked with the sherriff. It's NOT true.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the insider update. John was one of my closest friends all through school, but It has been many yrs since I have seen him. Please keep telling us what is going on there.

Anonymous said...

The thing that is amazing about Paul Holms house is that it happened on a sunday. And that the entire work crews, dumpsters etc appeared within hours and they seem to like working in freezing dark hours.

rumor-has-it said...

Nielson Door is on Hildale City Industrial property and you get a 99 year lease and can get a loan to buy the building.

Anonymous said...

So, if Kyle is not dead, is he really in Purgatory? ...and why is he there?

Anonymous said...

Rumor,
What does the "Jeffs" in parentheses mean when you type "John Nielson (Jeffs)"?

Which is it?
Who are his parents?

Anonymous said...

John Nielson is a son of Cal Nielson. Cal's ex-wife married Rulon Jeffs along with her daughter. John's legal name is Nielson; his religious name is Jeffs.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the explanation, anon 5:13. Now it makes sense (sorta).

Anonymous said...

So....

John has a deceased father and an ex-father. His fathers have fifty-plus wives between them. One of his sisters is also one of his mothers.

I am guessing that it doesn't end there.

There's gotta be a country song in there somewhere.

Anonymous said...

It was already posted here before.

Many many years ago when I was twenty three,
I got married to a widow who was pretty as could be.
This widow had a grown-up daughter
Who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her,
And soon the two were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law
And changed my very life.
My daughter was my mother,
For she was my father's wife.

To complicate the matters worse,
Although it brought me joy,
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became
A brother-in-law to dad.
And so became my uncle,
Though it made me very sad.

For if he was my uncle,
Then that also made him brother
To the widow's grown-up daughter
Who, of course, was my step-mother.

Father's wife then had a son,
Who kept them on the run.
And he became my grandson,
For he was my daughter's son.

My wife is now my mother's mother
And it makes me blue.
Because, although she is my wife,
She's my grandmother too.

If my wife is my grandmother,
Then I am her grandchild.
And every time I think of it,
It simply drives me wild.

For now I have become
The strangest case you ever saw.
As the husband of my grandmother,
I am my own grandpa!

Anonymous said...

Question for anyone that knows..... I went to grade school with a couple of people in CC and i'm wondering if anyone knows what they are up to....

Aaron Allred
Amni Barlow
Ezra Steed
Nathan Black
Taylor Mackert
Ivan Black
Jonathan Black
Amulek Barlow
Milo Shapley
Lamoni Jessop
John "Morley" Black

Just wondering if they are still in CC or not. Thanks in advance.

PB

Anonymous said...

Just drove by Richard Holms house and noticed a FOR SALE Sign. He must have a title. First Ever Real Estate Sign for a house in CC. He is making History!

Anonymous said...

Aaron Allred married a Harker girl.
- gone to TX left his beautiful house July 4, 2005


Amni Barlow married Sherrie Holm - saw her in CC a couple months ago. Actually I see him all the time at the station.

Ezra Steed - I almost think he died, maybe that was his brother. I'll have to ask around.

Nathan Black - Floyd's son, used to work at Benchmark but it is out of business.

Taylor Mackert he left a long time ago, but his mom left just a year or so ago. His dad lives in St. George.

Ivan Black - never married, his dad was kicked out of town this year, I imagine he was living with him.

Jonathan Black - last I heard he was still trying to be a Warrenite. But he is 29 and has not married. I think his name is not even on the list.

Amulek Barlow - he married Csress Holm - I see her at the store every once and a while.

Milo Shapley - I drive past his house every day. He does Stucco and has 6 little girls.

Lamoni Jessop - married one of Ed Holm's girls and he used to work with Milo. Haven't seen him in a long while.

John "Morley" Black - just left a couple weeks ago, never married, has a disease. I think he
would love to hear from you.

Anonymous said...

It is good to hear about these guys. Thanks a bunch for the info.


Jonthan "Golden" Black isn't on the list? Is this the to be married list? Is that published or just speculation? If you don't mind the question.

PB

CHRH said...

PB, can I get your email address. I'd like to talk.

Anonymous said...

I was very close to John Neilson (I guess now Jeffs) and his lovely wife Anne. We all graduated together, and was close friends until he joined the Jeffs group. Several yrs ago I was driving on the freeway in Salt Lake, and he and Anne pulled up alongside me and waived with a big smile that told me that they was glad to see me, and really did care about me, then reality set in and they took and exit and disappeared again.

Anonymous said...

polygamousbob@yahoo.com

PB

annonymousofficegirl said...

so.... if reliance lighting is for sale, does anyone know where the employees are? are they all scattered or moved to texas ect..?

ATAR_i said...

anon 10:45

How does a mans name change (from Neilsen to Jeffs)?

Were they originally SLC folk who went to join jeffs?

Anonymous said...

Atari,If a person's father is cast out,and their mother is given to another husband,all her children take the new husband's last name.Example Officer Fred Barlow "Jeffs".

Joseph Rohbock said...

Warren Jeffs is from Salt Lake. He hated CC and Hildale. He only moved down there in 2000-01 to escape the judgements that were going to happen during the olympics.

When my mom married Jerold Williams, all my brothers and sisters totally got rid of the name Rohbock and now go by Williams, except for legal reasons, when they absolutely have to use it.

Anonymous said...

How did all of you kids feel about giving up your last name?That had to be hard.What kind of a dad was Jerold?

Joseph Rohbock said...

When you are in, then you will do anything, absolutely anything that you are told to do, and be happy about it. I even did it for a little bit, when I was still there.

Jerold was a pretty cool guy. He treated us all very good. He treated my mom really good, as far as I could tell.

Anonymous said...

Yah he was and is a cool guy.

Anonymous said...

Joseph, sounds like you've made you a life, what's the status of the other boys? Tim, John, Josh, already know what Clo's doing. What they think where are they, and what are they doing?

Anonymous said...

The practice of taking the new spouses name is not fundamental to the Mormon faith. It is a creation of Warren, or perhaps him and his father, but does not have a foundation in Mormonism where families were to be forever. Adoptions did happen, but fanaticism was never a good replacement for simple decency.

Joseph Rohbock said...

Tim, has two wives, and is the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen. I really hate talking about him. He named his first son after my dad, Ron. When Father got kicked out, Tim went and changed Ron's name to James. He screwed Father and I out of a lot of money.

John got kicked out the same time Father did. He is just working, trying to make a life. I see him every once in a while. I don't know how he or father do it, or did it. I would kill anyone that tried to take my wife and baby away from me.

Josh is still out there. As far as I know he is just working his tail off and turning in all of his money to the "Priesthood." I was working for him when I left. He makes a lot of money. He'd be extremely wealthy if he didn't turn all of his money in.

Alicia and Elizabeth were both married to Uncle Rulon. When he died, Alicia married Uncle Leroy, and had two babies with him. Then he got kicked out, and I don't know who she is married to now. I heard that she was married to Warren, but I don't know. Uncle Leroy never got to see the last baby she had. He got kicked out before she had it.

Elizabeth married Isaac after Uncle Rulon died. Her son, Richard Rulon, is the one that was involved in the car accident in Texas. I haven't heard how he is doing lately. I've tried to call and check on him in the hospital, and all I can do is get the nurse to admit that they are there.

Anonymous said...

I thought i saw in The Spectrum that they were selling deserted homes in CC. Do any of you Wisanites know if that is true and if there is somewhere to look to see which house and how much they are selling them for. It would be very interesting.

PB

Anonymous said...

Why don't you contact Mr. Bruce Wisan at

bwisan@wsrp.com.

TBM said...

What would you do with a house the size of some of those? I read on the Slat Lake Tribune blog that one deserted house has twenty bedrooms!

I guess you could turn it into a hotel. But how many hotels do they need in that area? Unless they build a new road, it's not even convenient for the national parks.

Anonymous said...

Someone should call Tom Cruise
maybe some people from his ward might be interested in moving in

(sorry for the lame joke, but I couldn't resist)

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

I think someone should create a bed and breakfast out of one of the huge houses. They could have the polygamy theme throughout, and name the rooms after the wives (aunt betty’s room etc) the menu could have recipes of plural wives. You could have a lot of history on the walls, a mini museum of sorts. Some day that valley will be more mainstream, and the folklore will live on for centuries. I would even consider financing it if I could find a partner who would manage it

Joseph Rohbock said...

i will manage it for you. I would love to do something like that, I just got my credit screwed by Warren. So I could never finance anything.

Anonymous said...

Okay, since i got real good info on the boys i went to grade school with what about the girls.

Miranda Black
Lorreta Roundy
Gloria Roundy
Maxine Barlow
Bonnie Darger
Arminda Johnson

Just wondering.....

PB

Anonymous said...

How did Warren screw your credit?

Anonymous said...

Hey joseph, give my your email address and we can discuss the B & B in more detail.

Anonymous said...

anon 1/10/8:36,good idea, maybe see if the boys in park city might want to put in a mirco brewery,on sight for polygamy porter.

uncaduff

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what Timothy Holm is up to these days or how to contact him? I went to school with him. Thanks in advance.

Joseph Rohbock said...

Gloria Roundy was married to Uncle Rulon. She is now married to Warren.

My email is joroluvsteresa@hotmail.com

Warren told me to help my father build a shop for the Jeffs Academy school. Which I did. I maxed four credit cards with limits of 8 to 10 thousand each, and I financed the lumber package in my name. We spent about 150 grand all together, and warren was supposed to be giving father the money to make the payments. Then about three months after we got done, Warren kicked father out and quit making payments. He told me to file for bankruptcy, but I never did. Father couldn't make the payments, and there was no way I could. I was already turning in my whole paycheck. Maybe that's why I never got blessed, is because I never filed for bankruptcy like he told me to.

Timothy holm was married and had a couple children. Last I heard, he got kicked out about three or four months ago.

fttc said...

That is sad to hear about Timothy. He always seemed like one of the most decent of his father's boys. Some of them had a seriously snobbish attitude. Do you know if Mike is still on the inside. I think he was pretty thick in the program.

Anonymous said...

Do you know where he is living Joseph? I'd like to check in on him.

Anonymous said...

I'm absolutely confused as to why anyone like Timothy would get kicked out. Does anyone know the reason?

TBM said...

Joe, have you taken legal advice about the credit cards? There is definite grounds for law suit there.

someone should create a bed and breakfast out of one of the huge houses. They could have the polygamy theme throughout
That is a fantastic idea! It might be good for people visiting Grand Canyon or Zions -- the polygamy theme might encourage them to drive the extra distance. But I suspect it would be too inconvenient for Bryce Canyon.

I'd stay there -- don't know how my wife would feel about it! Not so sure about the "recipes of plural wives" though. Sounds a bit like cannibalism to me ;-)

CHRH said...

What on earth did Timothy do to merit getting booted? Where's he staying?

Anonymous said...

Timothy Holm has not been booted!! You must not believe every rumor you hear.

Anonymous said...

Joe, I agree with tbm, you should look into a lawsuit.

two points that might help you out: 1. let the lawyers know that there are others with the same situation as you. 2. Check with the credit card companies that you owe. They can help you if they think that they can get paid.

Jeffs and others have pushed you around... don't miss an opportunity to push back

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

Miranda Black
Lorreta Roundy
Gloria Roundy
Maxine Barlow
Bonnie Darger
Arminda Johnson

Mirinda Black married Maroni Draper and had a few children. He was then kicked out and Marinda was re-married to Carlyn Stubs. Maxine was married to Nate Steed and has a few children. Bonnie Darger was married to Roland Barlow and had a few children when Roland got kicked out she was re-married to Edmond Barlow. Arminda Johnson married Charles Olds and has had children.

Joseph Rohbock said...

I said, "last I heard." I didn't say I knew for sure. It was one of his own brothers that told me. And it was only a few weeks ago. So don't go getting all mad. I heard that he had two wives, and just recently got kicked out.

Very few of the men that have got kicked out did anything to warrant the punishment they recieved. I think it's just warren's sick way of maintaining control over the people. Pretty soon, the only last names out there will be Jeffs, Steed, and Jessop. He is totally obliterating any other family lines. It's only a matter of time before only those with "pure blood" can reproduce and have a family.

I haven't got any legal advice. I have been in so much pain, and been so broke, it's all I can do to just make rent and feed my wife and baby. Hopefully things will start looking up.

Once again, I apologize. I didn't mean to get anyone's gander.

fttc said...

It has been a strange phenomena that when a rumor of a kicking starts around it is often very soon fulfilled or has been already and is just being denied. I don't know Timothy's status. I hope he can hang onto his family whatever that status is. I hope the best for all those still following warren. I just have found it interesting to see how the rumors have largely been true at the time or literally fulfilled soon. Not all by any means but many enough to make it very noticeable.

Anonymous said...

What has become of Timothy's Dad? Is he still in? Where is he living?

Anonymous said...

Joseph

Why is Val Jessop still so very loyal to Warren? Does he hope to be let back in or is he already back? I know he is still married to Marie and maintains a home in CC, but what about his other home outside? Things don't add up in his case.

Joseph Rohbock said...

When I say "Jessop" i mean Merrill Jessop's family. Or a direct descendent of Merrill's family. He has to let them have what they want, or Merrill will rat him out.

You might wonder what Merrill could possibly hold over Warren? Well let me give you a couple scenarios. Merrill's daughters, at least one that I know of for sure, went to their father and told him that they were having an affair with Warren. That is why she was so happy to get up in General Meeting and proclaim that she had seen in a vision where Warren was supposed to be the prophet, and that she had heard with her own ears when her husband, Rulon, had said that Warren was supposed to be the next prophet. She only did it because she was sleeping with him already. She's the one that was caught with him in Vegas.

Why do you think that Ernest, the one that got kicked out the same time as Allen Steed, just got remarried. Or Fred Jessop, the one that got kicked out last year, got his family back just a few months later.

The reality of it is, Wendell and Merrill have as much power over the people as Warren. Wendell get's what he wants, and Merrill gets what he wants. No questions asked.

I forgot, the Nielsen family name will definetely remain.

Joseph Rohbock said...

As for Val, I have no idea what is going on with him. I don't think that he will ever get invited back, but I will never be suprised again at anything that happens out there.

Anonymous said...

David Allred also weilds as much power as Wendell and Merrill so Allred will probably remain as well.

Anonymous said...

So the moral of the story, W. Neilsen and M. Jessop will cut their immediate family off to make a statement and have the power to bring them back.

So did Ernest Jessop receive his old family back, after doing a stint in Sedonia putting his nose to the grind stone?

By the way what did Ernest do to get excommunicated? Heard several senarios.

And Fred is brought back into the fold? I guess his transgressions where forgivable.

What is that old saying "Blood is thicker than water."

Hmm. What is Merril up to?

Anonymous said...

One of the reasons Val is hard to find right now, is because the Feds are trying to find him. Between tax fraud and a few other things, I guess he caused a few problems. Any idea where he might be?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know where John and his family have moved?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
David Allred also weilds as much power as Wendell and Merrill so Allred will probably remain as well.

1/14/2007 1:30 PM

Dear Annon - David's "religious" name is Jeffs so all the latest "Allreds" have "Jeffs" on their birth certificates. for instance, the Father's legal name is Allred and the Mother's legal name is Jessop (because they were never "married" by law) and they name the children "Jeffs"

fttc said...

I thought they quit registering the children's births?? And for good reason; it makes it difficult to trace the re/re/marriages taking place. Have you actually seen these birth certificates?

Anonymous said...

What tangled webs we weave when we practice to decieve? Something like that anyway....

PB

Anonymous said...

yes, I have.

Anonymous said...

So this Allred guy, David. He has lots of property in his name (Texas, Co, SD, and maybe Alabama), but he doesn't have his children in his name? Sounds pretty convenient to me, don't you think?

I wonder what he has planned.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone seen or heard from Laurene Jessop? Her brothers and friends have been trying to find her. She dropped out of sight two months along with the children.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Laurene and her family vanished about the time her oldest daughter turned 18. Val is a sick man, both mentally and pysically, lets hope he has done them no harm.

ATAR_i said...

faithful, you didn't think it was val - have you changed you mind?