Wonder who is really controlling Warren's FLDS?
There is much construction at YFZ in Eldorado. One new house is complete – two - three started. Sewer and water completed for more construction by block. More warehouses completed and a new one starting. Rather strange stalls inside warehouse – reported as potato bins – who knows?? Pylons added by dairy ;another warehouse to be built ? New pivot irrigation system is up. Makes 2 working and one on the way. The other church is now complete and awesome in its beauty as you would expect. Reported that this is for normal services and temple is for special services.
As always, photos are public domain and yours to enjoy.
ThePilot
46 comments:
How long has the meeting house been under construction? I don't remember it in the last photos you posted. How large is it in comparison to the temple?
Thank you, pilot!
Pilot, your photos are terrific!
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I HOPE Elaine Tyler at The HOPE Organization is getting a lot of donations now that Jeffs is in jail. I'm concerned that more and more FLDS families will need an escape route and HOPE is their ticket.
8:47, what makes you think that people cant leave if they want to? I am wondering where people are getting the idea that they are trapped there. Just a question
Take it from someone who knows, we were trapped by faith and fear. Much the same as a battered woman ( verbal or physical) returning again and again to the husband who beats them or back in history when excommunication from the Catholic church is punishment worse than death. Believe me, no walls or fences needed.
Sounds like your situation is the same as everyone elses there...NOT
well that was the catholic church.
It's not just faith and fear that traps them now. It is also the knowledge of the things they have done while calling warren a prophet. To admit they are wrong and leave they have to accept the fact that they threw away their families, their beliefs and their dignity for nothing. It is much easier to convince yourself that you have been right all along and that every thing else is lies and rumors than it is to realize that you are the one wrong and that you have burned more bridges than you can ever repair. They will keep building up their Zion, find a new prophet and hope that one day everyone will forget that they are even their so they can pretend that the last twenty years never even happened.
Stinger, I doubt that they are going to forget about it and find a new "prophet", they are all going to think its a test, to see if they are faithful enough, Its B.S.!!! I wish that it wasnt like that there, It makes me mad that people are so brain washed. Lets all just hope that the ones we love will see what is really happening and not stand for it.
Nah, We're not brain washed. Live life and love life. I've never been happier in my life. I am sorry you guys have it all wrong....hmmm... Too bad. Every day gets better for me.
2:57
Are you saying "yeee hawww, this is fun! I wonder what my next husband will be like"
Nope guys dont say that
They guys say two things. It is 'yeehaww' look at the beauties I get today!
And then later: Yeehaww now I'm free of all that responsibility.
You wish you knew dont ya??? Well give up and go do something useful.
Exposing b***s*** is useful.
Exposing b***s*** is useful.
11/14/2007 6:24 AM
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my friend, when your "raised as a calf in the stall" B%**S$%# can't be exposed to you, be cause you already know its there. you grow up wallowing in it,and you think it's just part of life. your content to just lay in it, and even feel you must do your part and add to it.
uncaduff
That is disgusting funkleduff,
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it has a melodramatic element of truth to it, is that why it bothers you?
It is only melodramatic if there is no God and you never did believe the truth.
I rest my case.
uncaduff
Well good luck because if you go around looking for and exposing everybodys BS then I am sure you will get a nice epitaph on your grave stone - "Here lies ___so__and___so- the B***S*** exposer" Well while your face is stuck in other peoples BS dont forget to come up for air every once in a while.
In my short life, I have found that you see what you are looking for; not because of what the World around you is, but because of how you perceive the World around you.
I tend to mostly agree with uncaduff, to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
IITMOC
you see what you are looking for; not because of what the World around you is, but because of how you perceive the World around you.
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right IITOMC, and when that world is artificially restricted and shrunken, so is your perception.
when one is free to use one's own intellect to solve life's problems, one's perceptions become more realistic.
uncaduff
3: 15-
IITMOC is correct. So, is uncaduff. We view the world around us based on our previous experiences. Not all views are the same but that does not mean that one has to be right and the other has to be wrong. They are all just views. They are correct for the person who veiews them. Therefore, as one who also sees with just a view it is logical to surmise that pure unadulterated %100 truth is unattainable.
Right on, uncaduff!
Ever notice how some will condemn one persons actions because of who they are (apostate for example) and justify another because of who they are (prophet) when both have done the exact same action (like wearing "worldly" clothing)? The title didn't change the action, just how that person perceived the action.
When anyone puts more importance on a title (the who someone is) and ignores what they are (their actions) for their sense of right and wrong, that title becomes one of the “glasses” through which they view their surroundings. The person or group who claims they can give them those "glasses" will have complete control over how that persons "sees" the world around them, and ultimately, that persons actions.
If you are taught from birth that you must wear a certain pair of “glasses” in order to “see” what is right and wrong, at the risk of losing your salvation you dare not take them of. This gives complete control to the giver of the “glasses” to hide from view, or tint or change the view of their followers. All this because that person thinks a title, an ordination, or calling is the only way to “see” right and wrong, and will gladly follow the person or group that claims they have the “right” because of their title.
Of interest to me is this: I thought we would be judged at the judgement day based on our actions, not on how we perceived our actions. You can't steal for the lord and not be a thief.
I think our actions will carry more weight with the Lord than what title or position we may have been given.
IITMOC
bbgae,
I would agree. However, following the Golden Rule comes pretty close to guiding us to 100% truth.
IITMOC
IITMOC-
I think our actions will carry more weight with the Lord than what title or position we may have been given.
I completely agree. Doesn't that fall right in line with "God is no respecter of persons"? We will still be judged for the choices we ourselves have made, regardless of who men thought we were.
bbgae,
That is exactly how I see it.
I would also add, not only regardless of who men thought we were, but who we thought ourselves to be.
IITMOC
I think our actions will carry.......
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IITMOC, ever notice how some of the most notorious rouges in history, were people with titles?
uncaduff
uncaduff, yes I have.
Nothing will show the true character of a person faster than to have a position and title of authority.
IITMOC
More especially if they have usurped it to begin with.
More especially when the title never existed at all.except in someones imagination.
hey B.S. x-poser, do you think they will add too the title of "High priest Apostle", "servant who is not a servant"?
(see transcript of Warren's confession)
The real problem with all this stuff is that people still believe in false gods, meaning all of 'em. Man created god, not the other way around. Blind belief is the only way to believe in this nonsense of god.
I humbly suggest everyone who believes in God or god check out, "God Is Not Great," a fine read that should disabuse any thinking person of a belief in god. The best argument against god in the book is that if this is how god runs the world, well, he's a pretty sick individual. What's done in the name of God is even worse. Blind belief in anything leads to madness such as Hitler, suicide bombers, the Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, etc. Get out from the cult of god and live!
Come on people, THINK!
12:19- I completely agree with you on the subject of blind belief.
However, you cannot blame God (whoever or whatever he may or may not be) for the sins MAN commit in his name.
If what you are saying is true- man created God- then men are still the guilty ones. They are responsible for their creation and for the way they view it and the things they do in it's name.
Very well said, bbgae
IITMOC
boom town Eldorado. looks like Merril will have the little kingdom he always wanted.
Arthur, you were there since a lot of us, and know these guys, you think Merril will submit to aka Willy J., or will he end up king of the mountian?
uncaduff
A split has occured Duffy,Merrill controls Eldorado,the Allred bros,Mesquite Nevada,and S.D.,And aka Willy J.,gets what is left out at the Crick.No longer one king and one mountain,
I disagree,
Warren's pronouncement that Willy J. "has been the prophet since father died"is just a red herring.the deeds on the Eldorado,Mancos and South Dakota properties state "David Steed Allred" trustee in trust.So even if Willy J.or,Merrll, supposed to be the prophet,David could legally evict them from "his" property.
Anonymous: 9:48.
the real assets in any political situation, is ,I believe, the support of the people. if Allred cant get popular support, he could end up with the property, but not the "keys".the "Saints" would follow who they liked, and start over, like so many times before. so, Not Arthur, you are probably right, if there isn't an immediate split, there's one coming.
This is for your dear
11/20/2007 12:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAckfn8yiAQ
11/20/07 12:19
Your claim that God is a hoax causes me to believe that you must be either an atheist or anagnostic (not sure of just what you believe)
I don't believe that there any atheists. Oh I hear claims from various persons but I don't see them doing anything that can proove to me that God doesn't exist.
When I have taken a walk in the mountains of Colorado in mid-summer, visited Yosimite in California, Glacier in Montana, Grand Canyon in Arizona, Yellowstone in Wyoming, the Black Hills in S.D., walked the Natchez trace and the Appalaction Trail, Crossed the Mississippi at St. Louis, Memphis, Natchez and Baton Rouge and New Orleans. I have Seen the vast praries of mid-America, the cactus and heated deserts of Big Bend in southwest Texas or Southern Arizona, see Mt. Hood, Mt. Ranier, the Black Canyon of the Gunnison.
All these majestic landmarks are but the tip of God's creation. If you don't believe I feel sorry for your doubt but, I still don't believe in atheists. If you don't believe in God than you indeed have cast a god in your own image.
shall we expose funkle duffs hidden sins EXPOSE being the key word
ya uncle duff what happens in vegas doesn't allways stay in vegas
What happens anywhere never stays. It is immediately cast to the wind, and your secret is out, even if you are yanking it under the covers of night.
Anonymous said...
shall we expose funkle duffs hidden sins EXPOSE being the key word 12/07/2007 11:16 PM
Street's Reply: Ahh, I prefer to call things what they are, and we oft smell a skunk: Thus, Skunkledorf.
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