Tuesday, August 29, 2006

WARREN STEED JEFFS ARRESTED

The FBI says fugitive polygamist Mormon sect leader Warren Steed Jeffs has been arrested in Las Vegas, The Associated Press reports.

143 comments:

Anonymous said...

WOW! I'm very interested to see what will happen next. Finally, they got the creepy old man.

Anonymous said...

So what now OTS? How do you think your prophet will do now that he has been caught. He'll get a fair trial, but I highly doubt he'll come out on top. A good man doesn't run. A good man would have turned himself in and allow God to protect him.

desert darling said...

Is it really warren or just another ghost? I saw the reports, but they didn't show any pictures of warren, just file photos.

Anonymous said...

HA! And in a Cadillac Escalade. Wonder where are the followers' money is going.

Anonymous said...

HA! and a RED Escalade at that!

Pele Ale said...

Great News

Anonymous said...

Of course it was red. LE would never expect him to even consider getting in such a diabolically colored vehicle.

Anonymous said...

Only he can wear the red robes of Jesus..

Anonymous said...

A red escalade... go figure.

mr humble prophet himself
you'd think at least he would have chosen a honda minivan or equivalent
but no, he needed a flashy red cadillac
the ride prefered by 4 out of 5 gang leaders, pimps and NBA all-stars everywhere.
... just add spinners and away you go

what a jerk

...are any of you FLDS paying attention here?
hope so

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

Excellent news, everyone happy in Eldorado, no Waco, very good, well that Felonious prophet will get to sing those jailhouse blues, bet no bond on this one. HA!HA! HA!

Eat crow there OTS, your master that, lord of flies, is in cellblock now!

Penny said...

AMEN Its about time!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

OTS is quiet. Maybe he was Warren, after all.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure he looked good in the wigs they found in his posession too. What a man!

desert darling said...

His hair was colored too. A few years ago it was almost clear grey.

I hope they take real good care of him. Don't want the warrenites to be able to use him as a martyr.
I can just imagine him sitting up there like Sadam, insisting that the court is illigitimate.
I want the warrenites to see for themselves what a bad person he is.

muggsey said...

Praise God!!!!

Jeffs has been arrested and is being held awaiting a determination of which State has the strongest case against him. After all the state trials he still faces Federal Charges of Flight to Avoid Prosecution.

I am so thankful that the arrest was without violence. The red Cadillac is remarkable in that it proves the point that the best place to hide is in a crowd. Yes, the Caddy was very visible but, who would think that a man on the run would be riding around in such an unusually obvious vehicle? the criminal mind (influenced by Satan) tells the criminal that he is above the law, that ruls don't apply to him. In truth, most arrests are due to stupid errors made by the criminal, eg. dealer's plates and they not being visible to the Highway Trooper.
Case proven, enough said.

Now, it will be interesting to see if he can equate the work of God as demonstrated in Acts 5:19 & Acts 16:23-31. Come tomorrow morning I believe that he will still be in jail.

hydrolab said...

anon 2:07

I have always thought that street could be jeffs. Especially after he lashed out at me a few times over my profit ~vs~ prophet posts.

Don't know if anyone else has noticed but street usually posts at 2 or 3 in the morning. Not something your typical worker bee FLDS would do.

I guess time will tell. Hopefully the jeffs arrest will bring peace to many people.

Paladin for Truth said...

Looks like the Good Lord has decided that it was finally time to deliver Warren to the authorities. 9pm at night, Warren was peacefully delivered to a highway patrol officer. Simple, plain, effective, no fighting, confusion or such, looks like the Lord was involved in this one. One has to admit the hand of the Lord in this, no standoff, no loss of innocent life. Now Warren can come forth and be tried for the accusations against him. At least he will get a trial and a chance to speak, none of which he gave to those whom he judged so harshly. To wish anything other than a fair trial for Warren, would make us as evil as a judge as he is.

May God touch the heart of the families that Warren has destroyed, that they may start the process of repairing that which Warren has done. Saying hello to your fathers, brothers, children, friends and all the great women who are trying so hard to figure out their role as mothers would be a great start.

furnace said...

On www.kutv.com, it shows some footage of radios, cell phones, laptops, etc. Those radios are very likely ones that I was involved in modifying with a scrambling circuit to help prevent eavesdropping.

Anonymous said...

It would be my guess that there will be more New Orleans people helping the Victums in the Hurrican just hitting Floria then there will be any others, because they know what if feels like to lose. And once a person loses they generally have compasity to help others; when blessings are heaped on people they tend to set themselfs up on a pedistle and critazise others because they have some riches. It is written; those who will not give there all for the Kingdom of God are not worthy of the Kingdom of God. There was a lot of People who died in this storm in New Orleans just because of red tape that it appeared there was no concern for the welfare of the people; just government red tape to figure out a bit of help. No one knows when a storm or disaster will hit upon there home town, or when other tradgedy's will hit. It does us all God to leave Judgement to God, for he said Vengance is mine and I shall repay. And there is a perfect certian amount of time alloted to all men and then they go on to the next life. And Who did you help? What did you give your fellow men? And what will you reap?

rumor-has-it said...

Law Enforcement Do what is right! Don't let anyone kill him in jail. We are more concerned about the leut. under him, than him. Just don't let him die a martyr.

It is about time for him to answer for what he has done. However he has unlimited money. I doubt we will ever hear his side of the story.

Anonymous said...

how sad that his victims didn't get to him first!!! i am glad, however another waco didn't occur. for all the faults i find with polygamy, children do not deserve to be punished for a mother's inability to close her legs!!!

Anonymous said...

unintended consequences could be more money and power to merril.

desert darling said...

WARREN : DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO.

When he was caught, he was in shorts and a T-shirt. He begged LE to let him change into his suit before they took his mug shot.

He kicked out boys for rolling up the sleeves!

Anonymous said...

Hey were is street . Normally can't get him to shut up.

Anonymous said...

Desert Darling

Where did you hear about the clothes he was wearing??

Anonymous said...

Ain't that the truth, Darling. What a hypocrit. Too bad the Nevada police let him change into his nice white oxford "Mormon missionary" shirt.

The faithful followers need to see how Warren truly is. He is not living in squalor; he is not doing without. Warren is riding around in a BRAND NEW 2007 SHINEY FANCY CADILLAC SUV WITH ALL OF THE BELLS AN WHISTLES. And the faithful followers are working extremely hard and doing without food and other necessities themselves to pay for that.

What's wrong with this picture?

Anonymous said...

yes, desert darling, how can we take your comment about his clothes as fact? How do you know?

Men In Black said...

2 more chapters to be written!

gadestring said...

anon 1:10,

I read about Warren's clothes here:

Anonymous said...

A paper license tag, a salad and stories that didn't make sense pricked the suspicions of a state trooper who stopped the car of a fugitive polygamist. But it was the pumping carotid artery in the neck of Warren Steed Jeffs that convinced Patrolman Eddie Dutchover that he had someone big.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/30/jeffs.arrest/index.html

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know who the Cadillac was registered to?

miraclesandlove said...

OTS If you are not Warren Jeffs, then come forward and prove it. You write with the same confusing insane thinking that Warren used to govern the FLDS. I don't think things will change for the FLDS fast but we will see.
OTS Who are you? Are you a coward like Jeffs or are Jeffs?

Anonymous said...

Yeah Darling,
Too bad the faithful followers didn't see Warren's mug shot in the newspapers with him wearing his tank top and Speedo shorts.

They need to see how he really lives - lavishly, vulgarly, greedily, excessively, etc.

He is not a righteous man. Warren is a con-artist and a fraud who feeds off of thousands of faithful followers who go without while Warren just takes and takes and takes.

Warren Jeffs is the devil incarnate.

Please wake up people and realize that you are being used to support the greed and selfishness of Warren the Terrible.

Anonymous said...

If that poster was Warren, maybe instead of calling himself "On The Steet" it should have been "On the Lam"

onthestreet said...

WARREN JEFFS, Alias John Findley: "John" in Hebrew is "Chalal": "To break, pierce, cast as profane". The Greek is "Ioanna" or "Iob" (Job), a Patriarch. There you have it, a very deliberate act of the Prophet. Witness further, TO WIT:

1. "Findley" in Hebrew is "Pen", as in "state-pen", or "Peniy", which means "prison, removal, angle of a street, to face, cast away." This shows that "The Man", as they called Christ at his extradition and "being caught", that he absolutely knew and knows what he is doing, in carrying out God's law, and especially NOW. The governments are NOT above the law, and now this is the key that opens the floodgates of heaven. Witness further, TO WIT:

2. Large, bright, RED SUV, made deliberately conspicuous with NO LICENCE PLATES, no body-guards (like Christ in Gethsamane, alone), not even wearing any of the disguises that he had on hand to disguise himself ("and the angel disguised himself" previous). HE MADE HIS CAPTURE DELIBERATE, going like a lamb to the slaughter like Joseph Smith said, and like Jesus to the Cross. Did they resist? Not a whimper, but freely offering himself for a fallen nation, that God may now be just in doing a mighty work.

Anonymous said...

i told you guys to take streets crack pipe away

ATAR_i said...

So his 'made up name' is supposed to mean something OTHER than THAT HE LIED ABOUT WHO HE IS.

muggsey said...

Your comparison is immignative but totally irrevelant to anything that is actual or real. Your poor demented mind has departed upon a journey into the far reaches of madness. Your intent is to spiritualize the events currently being demonstrated by the laws of this land. Law enforcement officers, having apprehended a criminal, who ran to avoid the consequences of his perfidity in no way reflects the diety and devotion to his task as did Jesus. Jesus didn't deny whom he was when the temple guards came to take him before the Sanhedrin. Jesus didn't give the guards a false identity. The Keys in Warren's possession were not to anything but the ignition switches of ten NEW High Dollar luxury automobiles one of which was a Porche, a sports car, not even a SUV, van, or sedan. This alone is indicative of Jeffs real purpose in life, to fool his followers and let them pay his bills.

Your post makes me think that perhaps you have been on a three day trip smoking opium, talk about halucinations!

When you come down off your dope induced high, check into the nearest mental institution. If you want to bunk with the prophet you won't be able to do so. Your lover is locked up tight.

giz2gaz said...

Whooo, boy, Muggsey. I think that's the best response to OTS that I've ever read!

onthestreet said...

Two more paragraphs have been added to the above post (8/31/2006 2:45 PM):

3. "Behold The Man," was arrested to the North of "Sin City", the city of sin. How so very fitting and revealing! North is Gevurah, Red, Judgement upon the Cities of Sin, as the Lost Tribes and God's mighty Army come down "from the North Country" to manifest His hot displeasure and execute His justice upon a haughty and vile nation, one which has outlawed prayer unto the God of Heaven, and marriage, and His Ten Commandments, and all that is pure and unified. The end hath come, beginning with the Mark of the Beast. Witness Further, TO WIT:

4. How telling, even to the darkest minds, that the young virgin who was taken into custody with the Prophet and questioned, even rejected the offer and chance to be "RESCUED" from that man and his church. Even when in the custody of the police and the FBI, the virgins choose this Prophet over any other man upon the earth, knowing that he is pure and the One Man possessing the authority on upon this earth.

Now for you, MUK: Lester, you Pester! Don't you know that devils always become elated and drunk on victory, yet fester while they are being bound for a thousand years? So you are true to form inside the storm with all your porn, as societal norm is torn, and all become forelorn. This consummation of the nations, we will not glory, but to God be the glory.

You say the Prophet withheld his name, but Jesus was more honest than that. Behold (Matt. 26):

48. Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.” WHY? He wouldn’t use his earthly name, and even remained silent as Warren, without guns, when questioned. Read further to see for yourself (verses 52, 55, etc):

52. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword”. (See, who came with weapons? The lawless).

55. In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple (or among God’s FLDS House for 60-years), and ye laid no hold on me.

56. But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled (as all was ‘fled’ from Warren).

57. And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.

58. But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest's palace (the court room), and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end (as Isaac did).

63. But Jesus held his peace (Ahh, He must have something to hide). And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said (Even refusing to give his name, just as Warren did).

Anonymous said...

Well ole OTS sounds like he's been getting his spritual revelations from the same spritual avisors that The lord of Flies-Warren Jeffs uses. Captain Morgan, Jack Daniels, Jim Beam & Wild Turkey.

Eat crow there OTS, your lord & master Felonious Prophet Jeffs is busted, did you see him in chains like the common criminal he is. HA! HA HA! Hey OTS your posts will sound at least somewhat logical if you lay off the bong dude!

Anonymous said...

Street

Give us a break down on Tim
Stimskey?

ATAR_i said...

If warren had come into a church filled with priests and shot them up.

I imagine that you would use verse number 63 'Jesus held his peace', meaning piece, meaning weapon, meaning Jesus carried a weapon to slay the priests with.

That's pretty much what you do to every scripture you use - twist it, torque it until you completely misrepresent what it said.

Anonymous said...

Warren thought he would never be arrested, that God wouldn't let it happen. He flaunted his freedom and it caught up with him. I'll bet he's been up and down that stretch of I-15 a 100 times over the last year. This was just another evening drive up to Mesquite, St.George, or CC to marry off a couple of young ones.

He shouldn't have listened to Sam. Sam really pushed to make the people believe they were not bound by the law of the land; that they had to marry young women in spite of the laws; that young people must be kicked out for listening to rock music; and that grown men should have their families taken from them.

Anonymous said...

that is a great big if!
and you talk like you really know.
It would do you well to not judge a man by lies. was you a witness to the accusations? can you say of a truth the media portrayed the truth?
can you say that the witnesses who have accused him speak truth upon there lips. Many people have been accused of a great many things and many have died. in truth all men die. and right now as we speak men are dieing in another country as they are shot and killed. bombed and were they really guilty of a crime, or is our president trying to throw athority?

and was it known of assurady that the people who died in the twin towers were quilty of a crime? but needless to say, they are dead.

Can you then prove any thing in this case?
Look at what happened in Waco as this young child was shot and left to die in the front of his house. Was he guilty of a crime? he is dead none the less. And who did pull the trigger? and did it make the man who shot this boy less inacent because a man's family was shot for religion? why did the feds go to such great leanths to shoot them all. why not take him in and prosicute him.

and can you say of truth that you know this man was guilty of a crime? if he was why was the place these people died buried in with backhoes.

I say it is wise to not judge what you know nothing about.

and never forget this one bit of truth; there was no guns found with or around this man.

so be careful not to judge an inaccent man with things you know nothing about. and IF's can be imagined greatly. needless to say he did not do any thing related to your hum-bugger IF............. neither did i for that matter, though i also was accused.

Anonymous said...

that is a great big IF. try to keep your imagination's to yourself, because there was no guns.

muggsey said...

Atar_i's supposition is completely true and you FLDS are missing her whole point.

The point of the post is to call to attention the matter in which single words are taken out of a sentence and given new definition totaly out of keeping with the point of discussion. You people can never defend your position rationally. You have to go into some sort of out-of-your-mind re-defining of simple words. Your whole purpose is to answer with a lot of words but to not really say anything. Much language, no meaning. Mumbo-Jumbo, just like the writings of Joseph Smith, a lie within a fabrication within deceipt, within slight-of-hand, surrounded by another bigger lie.

Anonymous said...

each to his own. If is still just If.

desert darling said...

Whoa Nelly there Muggsy,

Street DOES NOT represent the FLDS, only the 'out of their heads' fanatics. Of which there are probably a highter percentile in the FLDS group than most groups, but in no way the greater number of them.

muggsey said...

Desert Darling

Please clarify how Street's worship of Jeffs and his convoluted interpetition of scripture fit into the pattern.

I'd really like to know just where these 'out-of-mind' quotations originate. Are they the product of street only or is he actually quoting from some authentic FLDS documentation considered as holy writ?

Anonymous said...

The smartest thing OTS could have ever done is stop posting when they caught warren, and leave everyone to wonder if it really was him.

It's no credit to warren, in spite of all his misguided loyalty that people actually wonder if he could be that damn nuts.

OTS is insane. He only represents a figment of his own imagination. Not the FLDS, nor any part of their past, present, or future.

And that is saying all nicely.

onthestreet said...

A pacifier will do ya, Les. And then if someone will kindly patt your hiney or your tummy, as may please your preference, then you may be quite content at your present level of development.

ATAR_i said...

I was specifically responding to street - and the way he twists words into whatever he wants them to be. I wasn't meaning to intimate that warren had a gun, or was actually planning to shoot anyone.

Apologies for any misunderstanding.

Anonymous said...

that is why i like you Atari. Apologies are accepted;

and as for my opinion of street, some times it is sensible some times it is not.

as to the doctrine of our church, we follow the book of mormon. In truth the word Mormon means more good. It is two other words from other languages; mor-meaning more and mon-meaning good. therefore a true mormon would only be doing more good. and the minuet a person begins to not be doing more good they need repentance.

we believe in the book of mormon and the bible. We believe all that God has revealed and all that he will yet reveal and it is all explained in the book of mormon. Even the bible. so agian, i guess i owe an apolagy too. keep sweet and do more good.

onthestreet said...

Tar Said (8/31/2006 10:44 PM):
If warren had come into a church filled with priests and shot them up. I imagine that you would use verse number 63 'Jesus held his peace', meaning piece, meaning weapon, meaning Jesus carried a weapon to slay the priests with. That's pretty much what you do to every scripture you use - twist it, torque it until you completely misrepresent what it said.

STREET’s Reply: LOL: Hey, A PEACE officer carries a PIECE, does he not? See, they certainly DO correspond, and no one will disagree with me, except maybe a beautiful buquet… that is, bucket…of TAR.

muggsey said...

Annon.

There was no reports of guns being in the car in which Warren was traveling. There were: three wigs (female), several cell phones, several scrambled telephones, some lap-top computers, a collection of knives, 57 - 60 thousannd dollars in cash and a lot of mail addresed to President Jeffs.

The name on the vehicle registration did not match the name of the driver. Warren Jeffs presented a receipt from an optomitrist located in Florida as his identity. The name on the receipt was not Warren Jeffs.

Jeffs was wearing shorts and a tee shirt. His female companion, Naomi Jessup was wearing jeans. No mention was made of the apparel of the driver.

The trooper stopped the car because the numbers on the dealer tag were not legible. Jeffs, when searched was found to have keys to ten new vehicles, one of which was a German sports Car, A Porsche, designed for only one passenger plus a driver. All this information is available in most area newspapers plus has been on television.

At his hearing Jeffs did not oppose his being extridited to Utah for trial. He appeared before the court in shackles, a chain about his waist and each hand cuffed. I couldn't see his feet but his short stride and appearance of shuffling led me to believe that he also was shackled
at his feet. His demenor was quiet and subdued.

He appeared to be under stress and somewhat confused. There were no signs of his having been abused, no visible bruses or cuts. He was brought before the judge under the guard of several policemen and a swat team. I feel sure that there purpose was not so much to guard Jeffs as it was to protect him from the rage of someone in the crowd.

ATAR_i said...

Thanks ots - for verifying my point.

why was warren riding in a brand new 2007 RED cadillac escalade? Why did he state his name was Findley? Why was he in shorts and a short sleeve shirt? Why was Naomi in pants?

How do the FLDS rationalize not on the the prophet being out of acceptable dress, but Naomi? How do you rationalize the red?

Does anyone know why red was unnacceptable - what was said about not using it?

Anonymous said...

His Father, Rulon, told me that red had a tendency to excite men's libido, and he didn't like that.

onthestreet said...

TAR: You keep hashing and hashing and re-hashing the same thing, over and over and over and over again. You get answers, and then you hash it again, over and over and over and over again.

Say, Tar! Are you STUCK in a bucket of tar, literally?

muggsey said...

I think atar_i's questions are reasonable and to an individual who is willing to answer questions with truthful answers not at all difficult to answer. You are just up to your old confused tricks ots. Your leader has been caught under a set of circumstances unfavorable to his position. Instead of acceptance of the facts, reported by not just one but a host of newspapers, radio and television stations is just not acceptable to you. Were you there? Did you observe just what happened first hand? Did you follow the police to their headquarters and observe the booking procedure? Were you in the courtroom when magistrial law was practiced? Jeffs received the same equal justice before the law as would any other person in a like position. Only his infamy sparked the presence of so many news-persons and cameras. Had he been an nonentity the proceedure he faced would have been no different. This practice is known as equal justice under the law. There are no favorites.

Talk about brain-washed!!!! Are you ever going to accept the fact that there are real facts and then there is your fantasy version?

ATAR_i said...

I am stuck OTS because people give me answers that don't make sense.

MEN WEAR LONG PANTS ALL THE TIME.

Any guy who is 6'4 and 155 lbs is going to ATTRACT MORE STARES WEARING SHORTS.

I cannot see any rationale (other than comfort) for wearing shorts.

And the RED Escalade - doesn't that STAND OUT MORE, than say Blue?

And the Porsche?

The way I look at it. Your prophet can do whatever he wants. Violate as many laws (both spiritual, federal and state) as he wants - and still be right.

He'll be right, not because he is, but because his followers have his pedestal so high, they can rationalize anything he does.

I'm certain if he slept with a prostitute it would either be 'a lie' or they could find some reason he needed to do it, and find a spiritual twist.

If he robbed a bank, stole a car, raped a girl, molested a boy, torched a house, had an orgy, ran an adult video store, used drugs, drank heavily - it wouldn't matter.

None of it would matter, IS THERE ANYTHING HE COULD DO THAT WOULD OFFEND YOUR SENSIBILITIES to the point that you would not follow him?

If that is so, then you follow a fallible man, and not an infallible God.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said (9/04/2006 11:00 AM)
I am stuck OTS because people give me answers that don't make sense.


STREET’s Reply (Matt. 13):
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

ATAR_i said...

If only you could speak clearly OTS, parables would be great - but I think you're the man frothing in the street spewing obscenities who needs Jesus healing touch for all the evil spirits to drain out of you.

Anonymous said...

OTS, that made it MUCH clearer. NOT!!!!!

Anonymous said...

TV station reports ole Warren one his way to Purgatory, a fitting place for him. Left Las Vegas

Anonymous said...

OTS, CTR and any other FLDS apologetic on this blog:

I must assume that what you post is what you believe (your values). I think it would be helpful to those on the blog if you would give what your values are based on.

What are your values based on? Are they based on principles that never change, or are they based on some ones ideals (revelation) which requires constant revision(more revelation) to keep them somewhat relevant? I find it interesting that in the good books, it is easy to find examples of the “golden rule” and “the law of the harvest” (you reap what you sow) as well as principles such as honesty, integrity, and love and the scripture need not be twisted, taken out of context, or added to with “modern revelation” to make it relevant to the here and now. The other thing I find even more interesting is the idea (value) of who has the right to “rule” over His (the Lord’s) children on earth and that a single man on earth is God’s only way of communication with His children. To support this idea (value) a lot of scripture must be modified, twisted and added to with “modern” revelation.

I am asking you to clarify what you base your values on because the values you have been posting make little sense in many ways and are very unclear and contradicting in other ways. Perhaps you don't understand yet that the Earth and everything the Lord has created runs on very simple principles, and they never change. The word of the Lord never changes... then why must the revelations that the “one man” who "speaks" for the Lord constantly be modified if they are the words of the Lord? Why must the written word of the Lord be constantly pulled out of context, twisted and changed to fit a new circumstance? Could it possibly be that they are not in alignment with the principles the Lord has established?

Your values effect your choices and actions, but principles always control the outcome of those actions. If you are unhappy with the outcome of an action (saying that you are the focus of religious persecution), don't look to be a victim and blame it on someone or something else. Look inward and see what principle has been violated and needs to be corrected to achieve the desired result (unless the desired result is persecution). Remember, a worthy end can never be accomplished with an unworthy means. You can’t lie (or any other compromise) for the “prophet” and not be considered a liar and untrustworthy by the Lord.

Those who are now justifying Warren Jeffs and saying that the condition he is now in is only religious persecution need to think about this:... Warren's goal was to have a “perfect” people. He was casting out men and boys who were “compromising”. Now, we must take as a basis for this discussion that Joseph Smith revealed the word of God. Joseph revealed in sec 58 of the Doctrine & Covenants that if a man was living according to the laws of God, he had no need to break the laws of the land. But, did not Warren “compromise” this revelation by marring underage girls (which is against the law)? And if he was unaware of this law (although ignorance is a poor excuse) why did he hide? Now that this law was compromised, the result of his actions (as you sow, so shall you reap) the law was looking for him. To avoid being caught in the first compromise he compromised a value in the FLDS religion and didn’t have on his long clothes so as to better blend into the "gentile" world. Two wrongs or compromises don’t make a right. And then to lie to the officer about his name, does that not make him a liar? WHAT SOUND PRINCIPLE CAN YOU JUSTIFY THESE ACTIONS ON?

Warren is in jail for his own actions, not for religious persecution. I feel bad that he is there and that he has made the choices he has, but HE IS THE ONE WHO MADE THOSE CHOICES!

Remember, any time you think the problem is out there (meaning you are not responsible), that very thought is the problem. If you feel “persecuted”, look inward and see why. If you say it is becuase you have refused to compromise principle, then why was the “prophet" caught in a compromise with the teachings of Joseph Smith (and to say Warren has any “authority” we must believe Joseph Smith spoke for the Lord) and in a compromise in the way he was dressed when caught.

All lasting values must and always have a base in unchanging principles.

IITMOC

muggsey said...

Thanks IITMOC

That was a very intelligent and thought provolking post. Although I am not a believer in Mormon, you have made a much better argument for your position than has ots from day one. Your statements are logical and proceed toward an intelligent conclusion. You are not masking your thoughts in scraps of scripture taken from "who know where" and trying to pass it off as the word of God, nor are you attempting to claim that anyone in your heiarchy of church leadership is superior to any other believer. I appreciate your candor.

onthestreet said...

That's it, MUK & MOC, stroke each other tenderly as you lick each others' wounds. It does help you heal some, you know. And then take some warm milk and cookies, and lay down for a nap, and maybe you'll learn something, in your dreams.

As for MOC (IITMOC: 9/05/2006 3:03 PM:

Everything pertaining to the Prophet and FLDS Doctrine, and everything I write, has a root and foundation ("base of unchanging principles"), and that root and foundation and unchanging are three, even the Trinity which
"CHANGES NOT", and their revealed Word in ancient and modern times.

There you go, a complete answer, my child. Now, how about them milk and cookies?

ATAR_i said...

ok iitmoc - I'm jealous of your ability to so skillfully communicate an idea.

Anonymous said...

To those still wondering how the Lord could have allowed Warren Jeffs to be found and arrested, this thought came to my mind:

"Behold, my son Warren was relying on the arm (and in this case legs) of flesh and not on the arm of the Lord."

IITMOC

muggsey said...

yea verily!

Anonymous said...

IITMOC

Since you are still "in", how are others in the FLDS reacting? How many accept the keys to a Porche and other luxury cars? How many accept him dressed in shorts and his wife in a tank-top? Are they denying ("media lies") or are they rationalizing it away?

Anonymous said...

Said;
But, did not Warren “compromise” this revelation by marring underage girls (which is against the law)? And if he was unaware of this law (although ignorance is a poor excuse) why did he hide?

On warren's cassettes he clearly states he violates the law, but that god is protecting him or the faithful and overriding the law.

Anonymous said...

Seems like MIB said this day would come. Is MIB still involved? Is he silent because Warren's capture has piled work in front of him or is he retired?

Anonymous said...

Check out the latest New Times release, I think he is still involved. Probably the tip of 1 of 10 or more icebergs!

Anonymous said...

OTS,

You apparently don't know the difference between a value (some ones ideas and ideals that govern their actions) and a principle (an unchanging, universal law).

You state you base your postings (which I must assume are your values and what you use to guide your actions in life) on the "trinity". The trinity is a value system, as it changes depending on whose version you use. Please clarify which version of the trinity is the one you base your values on. Is it from the Bible, Joseph Smith's version, or John Taylor's or Brigham Young’s. Or perhaps you base it of the Godhead sermon that Rulon Jeffs gave which has elements of all of these in it. Every one of these has variances in who was the father of whom and who/what held each position etc, etc.

Who is the “Father” in heaven? Who is Adam? Is Adam our “Father in Heaven” or is it Jesus Christ? Was Adam Christ’s son, or his father, or both son and father? Was it that Adam was both Christ’s son (before the world was created) and Christ’s father (on this earth after it was created) or the other way around? Or are the father, son, and Holy Ghost all the same person in different roles. Is Adam our “Father” or our brother? Do we pray to Adam or Christ or both? You will find versions to back up any of these positions(values)..

So please, ots, tell me which version you are using to help me better understand where you are coming from. You can't say all of them, because they all vary.

IITMOC

onthestreet said...

IITMOC (9/06/2006 6:39 PM):

AHH, was "tank-top" YOUR LIE, and a many others like you, or was she "wearing pants and short-sleeved shirt", as the media reports I saw related it? You are the ones like sheep being fleesed.

Again, Christ Himself was STRIPPED. You are all SO DESPERATE to crucify or martyr a man, a very godly man at that, that you are simply FOAMING AT THE MOUTH!

Perhaps you should be innoculated for rabies. You certain are a danger to others, and with "Bird Flu" and other plagues, you will have that opportunity to be innoculated.

Anonymous said...

Soon the pedophile warren jeffs will experience multiple husbands in prison. LOLOLOLOL

ATAR_i said...

Inoculation protects from exposure to animals who HAVE rabies - so I agree IIMOC you need to get innoculated - so do I.

OTS <---rabid and frothy

OTS's post was slightly more truthful than he meant to be.

Anonymous said...

Why do I never meet any FLDS members at MENSA meetings, OR FLDS Women with Master's or PhD degrees? To follow a pedophile such as warren jeffs, one must have a very low IQ.

ATAR_i said...

From what I have heard, the tendency to stop schooling is rather recent. Furnace is a well educated XFLDS.

I have no erudition in the community, but I do NOT believe there is an IQ problem, only a recent lack of education.

Anonymous said...

There were several women in the community with a masters degree in education.
I knew a lot of really smart people in the community, several of which never even completed high school, but who were nonetheless involved in inventing some really high tech stuff and two of whom (that I know of) are involved in alternative engery sources and are WAY over the heads of any colllege professors.
My point is that the problem there is not a low IQ situation but the complete stifling of the opportunity to be educated.
There are a lot of people who, given the chance, could really blow the minds of the scientists.
And, to be fair, there are some truly blonde ones there. Just like your town.

Anonymous said...

Blonde has nothing to do with anything. The pedophile jeffs is a raving racist and FLDS is considered a
racial hate group by many. I can't stand racists and it wont be long before the Southern Poverty Law Center begins to file lawsuits against FLDS assets. How many NON Caucasians (Caucasian means "white people" for those in FLDS and do not know the meaning of the word) reside in Colorado City or Hilldale???? Not only are FLDS members pedophiles, but are Himmler-type racists also.

muggsey said...

annon.

I don't believe for a minute that either atar_i or myself has ever questioned the intelligence of the mainstream FLDS. I do question their lack of initative to seek truth over hype. The poor people have been brainwashed and suffer from a diabolical and demonic leadership. I have no doubt that each, if not geneticaly impaired have an average or superior intelligence. They lack education and opportunity to develop themselves.

They may have 'ten' talents, but Jeffs & Co. don't even allow them to use one without the leadership exercising complete control over their lives and opportunities.

Anonymous said...

ots,

Tank top? I never said that, although I would like to know what she was wearing. I would also like to know where the story of the Porsche came from, because if it is true, it does not sit well with what Warren told me (a man who would own or drive such a car is the same type of man who would rape the daughters of Zion).

To the anon wondering how other who are still "in" are taking the news of warren;

To most of the members I have had contact with it is taboo to even talk about it. They are finally accepting the fact that he was arrested. Those who will acknowledge they heard or read the reports of how he was dressed so far think it is media hype and spin. To date, I have not heard any "rationalization" for his dress from FLDS faithful, but I am sure it will be coming.

IITMOC

ATAR_i said...

Let us know when you hear, I'm really curious.

Anonymous said...

idiots

Anonymous said...

OK,

It was not a tank top, but very close. Those who were there and saw Naomi described it as one of those Tshirts that has sleeves about an inch long. And yes, Warren did have the keys to a Porsche, I just don't know the model yet (perhaps the suv?)..

Oh, and lastly, you would never guess the amusement park in California they had just been to (based on the receipts in the vehicle). Perhaps that is why we were to stay out of California and not go to theme parks (like Disney World etc). This whole story just keeps getting more and more bazar.

IITMOC

fttc said...

IITMOC

Can you give your source for verification on the clothing and the keys? Amusement park???! Bazaar is an understatement!

ATAR_i said...

Universal studios, Knottsberry Farm

c'mon tell us what amusement park they had just been to.

It must be so tough.

Anonymous said...

Gary Engles is the source, there is nothing in print on this that I know of. Gary also said that there were other even more shocking and bazaar items found in the suv, but can't be revealed until after it is brought out in court.

I'll have to ask again, but I think it was one of the Disney amusement parks.

IITMOC

Anonymous said...

Gary Engles is the source, there is nothing in print on this that I know of. Gary also said that there were other even more shocking and bazaar items found in the suv, but can't be revealed until after it is brought out in court.

I'll have to ask again, but I think it was one of the Disney amusement parks.

IITMOC

furnace said...

11:57

I have talked to Gary Engels, and he has verified more than any FLDS wants to know. The rumors going on here, he has verified to be true--the keys to a Lexus, Porche, and Audi. He had just been to DisneyWorld, if I remember right. Gary may have meant DisneyLand, but isn't DisneyWorld in Florida? Doubtful any faithful going to California would see him there.

fttc said...

Thanks Furnace and IITMOC

I have family still in that is poo-pooing the rumors. Some hard evidence would be most helpful about now. Hope it comes out soon. The hypocrisy of this man is astounding even though I have seen it in the past with doctrinal issues. It is beyond belief that he thought he could get away with absconding the funds of the poeple this way.

Anonymous said...

Just though I'd get our bazaars and bizarres straight.

bazaar-- A shop where a variety of goods are sold

bizarre-- Conspicuously or grossly unconventional or unusual
Synonyms-- freakish, freaky, off-the-wall, outlandish

Anonymous said...

IITMOC

I have a question?
I watched the interview on Larry King Live with Ruth Stubbs and she said Rodney Holm gave her Minor in Possession tickets. I assume she meant Alcohol, it could of been a drug. I was shocked and not shocked. Shocked because he married her. Shocked she was not kicked out.

But not shocked. People even good people bury their feelings in alcohol and drugs.

I have been monitoring the arrests from your community of young people. Most probably been exed, maybe for that reason.

Alcohol and some drug use seems to be a major problem.

Alcohol is a problem among adults and children in my community, it is a universal problem across the country.

It is a symptom of other problems.

I just wanted you to be aware.

fttc said...

warren has certainly sold a variety of goods to his followers so it is a bazaar situation.

How was that for an OTS type comeback. I know I didn't go into the details of each letter, but I just don't have it in me.

Thanks Nonny for the clarification. It didn't look right ((in my former post) but I guess I was having an "FLDS low IQ" moment.

Anonymous said...

I don't have children (thankfully), but if I had a daughter under the age of 18, and the pedophile/racist warren jeffs arrived at the door and asked to speak to her, he'd be shot with a 12 gauge. I found it astonishing that people would even waste 60 seconds listing to that hypocrite/pedophile/racist. Any parent that would hand a child over to jeffs should be sterilized, for they are not intelligent enough to be parents. FLDS=very stupid people. I hope jeffs is transferred to the "general population" of jail very soon. If he is a true prophet, he won't be gang raped. LOLOL

muggsey said...

Justice for Jeffs would be to be placed solitary confinement for the rest of his life. He would have no one to impress, no one to bow and scrape to his every whim, no one to obey his word as if it were the word of GOD. He would have the rest of his life to spend in dementia or he would recognize the wrong he has done, ask forgivness of a loving GOD, and those humans who are and will suffering because of his actions. Only then will peace come to a very confused and demon possessed soul.

For vengeance we, as human fathers and mothers want him to suffer humiliation and physical pain. In such an environment as described in the previous post he could not survive. His physical suffering would end.

His life would end and as far as those whom his edicts have done harm a feeling of closure might happen. The injury to the human spirit and the lives affected by his brainwashing will not escape the harm done to them and they will pass much of the suffering on to their children.

Please, do NOTHING to assist Jeffs attain Martyrdom. His greatest desire would be to be remembered as a second Joseph Smith.

furnace said...

2:32

I am XFLDS ("Apostate") and us "apostates are the most vengeful, hateful people on earth." Yet I don't feel as you do. For one thing, I have children(thankfully). For another, insulting our former friends and relatives will only drive them into the cult deeper. I wish people would understand that when the FLDS fence-sitters and lurkers read that sort of stuff, they get driven back into the cult.

Anonymous said...

9/08/2006 12:03 PM,

Thank you for your "bizarre" post. I will do better.


9/08/2006 1:08 PM,

Maybe I missed something, what was your question?

IITMOC

fttc said...

Well said, Furnace. And it did need saying.

ATAR_i said...

I would be really curious about what the faithful state about him going to an amusement park, and other places while they still believe it is a lie.

At this point in time, reactions based on their disbelief would be worth recording. Once they realize he DID go there, there will be justifications. I honestly didn't think the shorts could be justified, and Disneyland would be suprising (it's not like you HAVE to go there).

Anyhow, once he denies it, and then they show the surveillance of them in clothing riding rides and giggling - it might be a different story.

LE if you're listening. If you really want to turn the tides of sentiment - YOU MUST GET THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS - they must see it with their own eyes. ONCE they see it, you might get some faithful who will be willing to testify - AND THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED!

Please LE find those videos!

onthestreet said...

Hey foks: Much adu about nuttin. The FLDS people don’t care. The Prophet of God can travel anywhere, even into hell, to see and witness and do what he has to do, and like the Prophet Joseph can walk Nauvoo with a cigar in his mouth, and like Christ can eat without even washing his hands. OHHH, CRIMINAL! CRUCIFY! CRUCIFY! He breaketh our laws. PLEASE! FIND THOSE VIDEOS.

gadestring said...

Please LE find those videos!

I SECOND THAT!

I was thinking the same thing about surveillance. Atar, you took the words right out of my mouth.

muggsey said...

you idiot,

you know that the motion picture projecter was invented by Thomas Edison, about 60 years after J.S. death.

ATAR_i said...

So its OK for the prophet to engage prostitutes, and pose for playgirl?

Anonymous said...

9/08/2006 1:08 PM,

Maybe I missed something, what was your question?

IITMOC

I am sorry, my question

Are you aware of these substance abuses amoung your children?

Also where are these FLDS "children" getting the alcohol and drugs. From FLDS adults or outsiders?

It is not shocking in my world, but it was an eye opener to see it in yours.

muggsey said...

LE

If the surveillance videos from Disneyland can obtained, and shown on national T.V. the results might offer proof of Jeffs double standard. But, I can't help but wonder if, after having seen for themselves the video tapes that somehow their priesthood, who have been Jeffs right hand men, won't find some way to make the facts out as fraud.

Another problem presents itself: not having either television or radio available to them for so long a period of time, just how many are aware of what has taken place in Nevada and Southwest Utah?

Ignorance is bliss. If an individual was born into slavery and never experienced freedom, were he free; many would prefer to return to their former status because of the familiarity of the situation. Their real fear is change. Could we hope for more from the brainwashed FLDS?

I do not discount their intelligence nor industry. Decision making will be the most difficult challenge they face. Like Pilate they ask, "What is truth?"

Anonymous said...

idiots

muggsey said...

I resemble that remark!

onthestreet said...

TAR Said (9/09/2006 9:47 AM):

TAR Said: I agree fully with the King James Version - but I don't think it says what you purport it says (not a huge shock). REPLY: You “don’t think”…Well, that is the definition of, ummm…shall we say…an IDIOT. See, all you have to do is open the book and read it for yourself, or do a google on it. But nooooooo, all you can do is goo-goo.

TAR Said: You like to 'speak King James' every now and again throwing in a 'doth' and a 'whence' but you didn't live in that time - and Jesus words meant 'yes'. REPLY: What! DOTH the Word of God offend THEE? From WHENCE DOTH THOU hail, hell? That is the very language of the Lord, from a more original version King James. Just because you like God’s Word watered down and desecrated and cast off for naught, is no prescription for the rest of society, now is it.

TAR Said: Secondly I'd like to remind you that even though Jesus knew he was innocent - he allowed himself to be crucified. REPLY: Ahh, who need reminding? Jesus first fled, fugitive from the law, all the way to Egypt, HIDING for decades. Secondly, even in Gethsemane, he sweat and pulsed with life, just like the Prophet Warren. Then, he “answered them nothing”, just like the Prophet Warren. The more you say against him, the more Christ-like he proves to be, for all to see.

TAR Said: Since we're equating warren with Jesus - I expect that he will do the same. He will put up NO DEFENSE right? He will allow himself to suffer right? REPLY: Oh, Christ did indeed have men come to His defense. In Gethsemane, a disciple even ATTACKED the police and cut off his ear. Oh, but it was self-defense. Then in the court, Christ had Pilot himself to defend him. So, you continually err.

TAR Said: Can we count on warren to do that? Or will his lawyers earn 600.00 an hour while they mount his aggressive defense. REPLY: Did the ointment merchant earn great sums on the most COSTLY ointment that Mary “WASTED” on the feet of the Savior of the world? The lawyers and the judges too must be proven a friend of God, or His absolute enemies. Then the judgements of God, for then are they all left without excuse. God now has a witness in the courts, even His Anointed.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said (9/09/2006 9:51 AM):
So its OK for the prophet to engage prostitutes, and pose for playgirl?

STREET’s Reply: I said: “He will do what he has to do”. He didn’t and doesn’t have to witness ALL your corruptions. So, regardless of what videos might depict, it will be right and proper, unless they are doctored videos. The media and government are doctoring things all the time. The "Coming Crisis and How to Meet It" warns and forewards of the "miracles of Satan", to deceive the very elect if possible.

onthestreet said...

Nonny said (9/09/2006 2:36 PM): IDIOTS

MUK's Reply: I resemble that remark!

STREET's Reply: Yes you do. See! When a child begins to see himself clearly, then yes, there is hope. Yet, what do you know, what saith the Prophet? "Vanity, Vanity, ALL is vain".

Looks like in many ways, Les, everyone's in the same boat. However, leaky boats sink, and only the Ole Ship Zion will rise to Ararat, or to Mount Zion.

There is the relief from danger, and the rescue from the vanity, those so gathered to the Prophet. It is great lamentation indeed to see any suffer the judgements of God that come upon all those who are without a Prophet. As our Lord Jesus says: "Calamity shall cover the mocker".

muggsey said...

Remember, it's your hero, Warren Jeffs currently serving, without bail, in Purgatory awaiting trial for serius crimes. It is not me or my associates in the jail cell. When it comes down to it, that's all that matters anyway.

ATAR_i said...

OTS

It's good to know you think that it's ok for warren to have sex with prostitutes.

furnace said...

OTS

Speaking of "Coming Crisis and How to Meet It", it states very plainly, "God never hired any man to preach. Go not after them nor follow them for one moment, for they are confederate with rich men and oppressors"

Warren is constantly having the people raise more money for him, and look at the condition he was in while arrested; luxury vehicles and wads of cash that would easily erase my credit card debt and pay off my car. There was more money in that car than I see in a year. Am I jealous of his cash? No; I would rather be in debt stuggling to make ends meet (and considered "apostate" as well) than be involved in rackettering.

onthestreet said...

FURNACE (9/11/2006 12:09 PM):

STREET’s Reply: The Lord throughout the Christian Bible and human history, has always required of His church “tithes and offerings”. Obedience to the Lord is one of the great aggrivations to the aggrivated, the disobedient. Tithes and offerings NEVER make a hirling ministry when they are directed of God, even if they seem to be “Wasted”, like you and Judas Iscariot blame the woman, the church, of doing. By your definition, Christ was the greatest “racketteer” in the history of man, for he required the sacrifice of ALL THINGS, not just the money. Yes, the “Coming Crisis” is upon you even now.

Anonymous said...

So, which racketeering church is the right one, if God never hired any man to preach? Quite frankly, I consider a church that requires any more than 10% of the peoples incomes in the form of tithes to have corruption at the head. Anything beyond that, I call it a cult. I consider Joseph Smith a cult leader where he tried to go beyond that point.

onthestreet said...

If only 10% was required, then you reject the Lord's requirement for the other: "Tithes AND Offerings", and then ALL: "The sacrifice of ALL earthing things", for the work and glory of God. Does not ALL belong to God?

Now granted, not every charlaton who asks for your tithes and offerings, and then all you have, should even get a fathing of your tithing. It has to be a genuine Prophet of God, called of God, and anointed by God Himself.

Oh, crisis of crisis! How can we ever know who that man would be? "Ye shall know them by their fruits": The fruits of the loin, the fruits of a strict and disciplined mind, and the fruits of the spirit which have been enumerated:

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23. Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said (9/11/2006 10:07 AM):
OTS: It's good to know you think that it's ok for warren to have sex with prostitutes.

STREET’s Reply: Ahh, who is having the sex? You admitted to it, while the Prophet has continually cast out all who “look upon a woman to lust after her”. You condemn yourself by your own words and actions.

ATAR_i said...

Hmmm, how did I condemn myself?

You condemned by warren stating that he could have sex with prostitutes and it would be ok - not me.

onthestreet said...

The Prophet never stated that. You said that you killed your own mother, and three children.

There, I said so. Does that make it true. I don't know, maybe it is. The FBI better investigate.

ATAR_i said...

Take a peek up - you said anything the prophet did was fine - no matter what.

YOUR statement - not mine.

onthestreet said...

9/20/2006 7:44 AM

No need to peek up, for what I said is true. My statement, not yours. All that the Prophet does is good, and "sweet no matter what", because he doesn't do that which is evil. So yes, it is fine, as fine-linen.

You got a problem with that, girl?
GIVE ME TEN!

ATAR_i said...

Hmmm, I think you'll be scoreless on this round.

onthestreet said...

Not to worry. I counted all ten of yo pushups, so hush it puppy. That was such a good doggy. However, I'm sure you "score" every day.

muggsey said...

Furnace:

Your observation was right on the mark. GOD calls whom he will to be his spokesmen. Self-called 'Professional' clergy seem to be only interested in their own advancement.

Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, in Southern California has led a congregation beginning with two to in excess of 20,000 in attendance at each service.

He came to national fame by arthoring two books, "The Purpose Driven Life" and "The Purpose Driven Church." Sales of his book have been so successful that Warren has returned to the congregation the sum of all his salary since the church began plus 90% of the receipts of the sales of his books. I don't think anyone could say that Warren was in the pastorate for the money!

onthestreet said...

MUGGSEY Said (9/21/2006 3:56 PM):
God doesn't call those...only interested in their own advancement.

Then he promotes a California pasture seeking his own word and advancement, when the Bible, God's Book, should be our constant companion and not replaced by a professional writer writing something else.

Good job, Les.

onthestreet said...

9/21/2006 3:56 PM

That is correct, the Prophet Warren is not in the "pastorate" for the money.

You're getting there.

Anonymous said...

You're so right Street. Warren is not interested in the money, just everything the money will buy! Too bad it won't buy his salvation.

onthestreet said...

9/21/2006 5:50 PM

It is good that you can see the right. But then, the Prophets are not only intereted in all that money can buy, but also all that money CANNOT buy, for it is the work of God to obtain all things, both in heaven and upon the earth.

Jesus says it best (always): Matt. 5:5:

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth".

What is "Meek"? A lowly, pious, modest mind, which prefers to bear injuries rather than return them.

Thus, when he was falsely accused and sued and all his possessions taken from him, instead of attacking he just quietly hid himself away, god-like.

muggsey said...

HA! He didn't have any choice in the matter. He is under arrest and in jail.

Anonymous said...

Street,

Maybe I will have to agree with you for one nanosecond. Warren isn't interested in money--he gets rid of it (wastes it on a riotous life-style) as fast as the people can get it to him.

muggsey said...

Learn to earn, but breaking up rocks with a sledgehammer under the heat of the desert sun will no doubt change his set of values. I doubt that it changes his thirst for absolute power nor mends his cowardice.

onthestreet said...

"Upon this rock I shall build my Church".

"God dwells in eternal burnings, and hides His face from man".

muggsey said...

maybe, but what has that to do with doing the labor of a prisoner?
Panty-waist Jeffs couldn't last half a day on the business end of an eight pound sledge.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, but I have seen him move mountains, with the accounting end of his little finger.

muggsey said...

And they cried for the mountains to fall upon them. Hide us from the wrath of the Lamb.

onthestreet said...

There you go, brother. A fitting reply.

muggsey said...

Yes, all together fitting. You and your ilk might start memorizing those words. With your learning problem it may take a year, a decade, a century a millenium or two to get it straight.

onthestreet said...

But believe you me, I do get it straight. Tis the Street called Straight.

Gold is tried seven times in the fires. It will take you at least seven lifetimes.

Anonymous said...

You cannot earn a salvation by downing others.