Wednesday, March 14, 2007

Positive expierences, thoughts, and memories of FLDS

Ok. Here we go.
This is for all those people who might try to agrue that all we discussed here on this blog about the FLDS is neagtive and biased.... Please post only the positive here and leave the other issues for other threads.

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

OOOOK!! The women dress to cover themselves.

I have had nothing but complements on how I look, no matter where I go.

Anonymous said...

Having long hair gets lots of complements as well,and alot of us do feel beautiful. I remember wishing my hair would go so long I could sit on it! Lol I am glad I grew out of that.

Grateful Mama

bbgae said...

Nearly every one of my 'gentile' friends compliment the women on how they comb their hair. (After their initial shock that is naturally followed by a volley of questions...)

One of my favorite things was the way Monday Morning Meeting used to be. I loved to wake up early in the morning when the sky was still tinged pink above the mountains. The people would gather in a line forming a hollow square, and shake hands with everyone else. And, MJ would say "Good morning everyone!!" to which there was alwyas a rousing reply and then we ould sing hymns and listen to the musical numbers.
Monday is STILL my favorite day becasue of this....

fttc said...

bbgae

This was a great idea! Remember the watermelon busts on U. Roy's birthday. I was told by the family that he detested the celebrating of his birthday but allowed it as it brought the whole community together. Those were some fun times. There was usually a big baseball game in the afternoon. Lots of games for the children. So many happy memories!

Anonymous said...

bbgae;
Now that you are "out" how do you wear your hair? That is one of the first things I changed. I didn't start to wear pants until way later. (Now I can't understand why I did that either...it's soooo much more comfortable.) Also, if I am not getting too personal, do you still live in Southern Utah? Do you ever run into any Warrenites? If so, how do they treat you?

I live in St George, and so I run into them all the time. (There was a time when very few of them ever came into town!) I am finding that more and more of them are treating me like nothing has changed, which tells me that something has changed!! Warren's being incarcerated is a WONDERFUL gift from God! I don't think Lyle, Nephi and Lindsay (& co)can keep the people in the same grip that Warren had them in. So maybe there will be some more break loose!

I have talked to several people that obviously no longer supported Warren, who are still out there, and have their homes and families!

Oh, back to the good things about the Crick. I LOVED the community programs! And the Harvest Fest, and the Park fundraisers, and the 4th and 24th of July, doorbell ditching on Valentines Day, and going for walks on summer evenings, and drives with the fam on Sunday evenings, hiking in Water Canyon, baseball in Maxwell Park, homemade EVERYTHING (yummmmmmmy food!!) talking with the fam and any friends came at dinner time, (no TV!) SINGING for everything, the dances, taking turns staying up all night to make the sorghum, helping out anyone and everyone on Saturday work projects, oh, and when someone lost a loved one, even if it was a baby or small child, 4000+ people came to the funeral. I was shocked to go to the funeral of a well-respected man here in St. George, and they were so pleased that 400 to 500 people showed up to his funeral...I was wondering where everyone was!!!

OH, and not having to lock my doors at night, and being able to leave my keys in my car!! These things I truly miss! But most of all, I MISS MY FAMILY THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE!! I am with FeralFem, I have tears running down my cheeks, I miss them so much! You know, I just realized....that is what it is! EVERYONE WAS FAMILY OUT THERE!! WAAAAAHHHH!!!

Ain't Skeered

bbgae said...

Aint Skeered-
I still have my hair long. It goes down to the middle of my back. Most days I am so buisy I just put it in a pony tail and I'm done. One of the first things I did when I left was cut it, and color it the opposit color it used to be though. It has never been shorter than my shoulders, however. I have wild dreams of cutting it in a short pixie like boy cut, but my husband likes long, so I like to keep it long form him. (No, this is not an obdience thing.)

I miss my family out there too. Some days I want to cry, but the tears don't come, because I KNOW that underneath all the stuff that is between us, my family really does love me. And it is hard, but I don't have to see them to remember. I know they are just trying to do what they think is right, and I don't think it is my place to push them to believe what I believe. I only need to understand.
And, I keep things. I keep the last birthday present my mother gave me and it's on my dresser every day so I can remember that she loves me and every year that goes by without a phone call, I know she is thinking of me and loveing me, and maybe shedding a few tears for me that day. And that is enough.

bbgae said...

Aint Skeered-
Oh! And yes, I still live close, but I won't for much longer. I still see Warrenites. The last one I saw SMILED at me and LAUGHED when my daughter tried to tell her about her new shoes!

Anonymous said...

Don't look now but the FLDS are quickly becoming a thing of the past. It won't take long and they are going to be out of business. You are just as well leaving. Its good you found a new life....

Anonymous said...

I remember everyone getting together and canning fruit. Bushels ands bushels of fruit. It was alot of work but it was fun because everyone helped out.

Anonymous said...

ya know folks, theres really no reason we cant get back some of the good times,all we need to do is start with a few people, and meet at one of the parks every couple months. the ones who don't enjoy it will stop coming,but the ones who do enjoy it will brings there friends.
how bout a piece a cold watermelon ?
uncaduff.

Anonymous said...

i am an outsider looking in.

the postive thing i have noticed about most individuals who have been dumped on by warren they have become forgiving and love their families that are still among the Warrenties.

they have found out being bitter and hateful only hurt them personally.

they have moved on in forgiveness.

they are my heros in this whole mess.

furnace said...

Last night, I watched a child prodigy, Kit Armstrong, play the piano and he was spectacular. I wish I could play like that. We don't need to moan and groan about community events being gone or no more programs to entertain us. We can find substitutions if we will look.

Anonymous said...

Another great thing I miss are the dances and afterword singing "Give Me A Home In The Heart Of The Mountains"
A sweet warm fuzzy memory.

Grateful Mama

bbgae said...

Yes, Furnace,
There are other things to substitute what we have lost. If we want to look for them bad enough, we can find them. And, we can also rebuild, like Uncaduff says. (Count me in on the watermelon!)

But it is good to remember the good.

Anonymous said...

Uncaduff if we are all getting together then we'll need a leader, Prophet Duffy! Wait, on second thought been there done that?

Also when furnace was talking about filling up our entertainment with different stuff, all i could think about was Big Love Season 2....

I'll take my sarcastic self away now...

PB

Anonymous said...

I quit needin a prophet a long time ago...and like I said, if you don't like it stay home.

uncaduff.

bbgae said...

I like Big Love. I am waiting patiently for season two to come....

Anonymous said...

I remember ditching 1st period devotional, ditching 7th period study, easily outrunning the nightwatch night after night (later called the godsquad), hiking every mountain around town, Watercanyon, the Garden of Eden, falling asleep at the cannery at 3 in the morning on the second day, Don Cox's programs, playing basketball at Holms' and pretending we weren't there to flirt with the girls, doing the same at Bro T's, tubing on the trail Uncaduff built, patching the holes in my bike tubes every week, having a hundred best friends, riding my minibike down to the gas station and draining all the hoses into the tank, then topping it of with 10 cents, stealing my dad's beer out of the fridge, kissing the neighbor girl, and....seeing the prophet holding the 3in1 above his head and hearing him say 'if you find one single wrong word, just one wrong word in this whole book, then you can rest assured the whole book is not worth the paper its printed on'.

LTG

Anonymous said...

LTG, U aint one O my kids are ya?


uncaduff.
ps. I guess not, dont think I had any boys who ever went to devotional.

Anonymous said...

"Give me a Home in the Heart of
the Mountains," what memories that
song brings. When I view the photos
found at the Texas Polygamy site of the flatness of West Texas, it saddens me. Zion is scattered.

TBM said...

bbgae I like Big Love
I LOVE Big Love! :-)

Anonymous said...

Yes the Harvest Fest, back when they were still holding meetings on Sunday, I got booted out of the Harvest Fest by that wonderfull Sam Barlow.


Someone said" easily outrunning the nightwatch night after night (later called the godsquad),"

I tell you what if that squad and Warrens family are still trying to control the Creek I am going to put the Fear Of The Lord in them that they will never forget. I will make them an offer they can't refuse.


Your's Truly
The Danite

bbgae said...

Hey, Danite,
I have never heard of anyone getting kicked out of Harvest Fest. They wouldn't let you into the park for the festivities???!!! (I saw several 'gentiles' and 'apostates' once or twice there in the park enjoying Harvest Fest.) What excuse did they use? Where you 'chasing' a girl?
Was it just Harvest Fest. you were not allowed into, or did it grow to something more?

I know the police force used to do things like that. I know some people who have had personal expierence with that kind of thing.

If you don't feel comfortable telling me here, you can e-mail me. Just click on my name, and my e-mail address is in my profile. You will still be anon if you'd like.

I loved Harvest Fest, too. It was one of my favorite things. I was really sad when Warren stopped it and I wondered how it could be right for one prophet to let us have it and then the next prophet say it was wrong.

But, I did hear of the Harvest Fest some of the 'apostates' held last year. Kudos to you guys!

bbgae said...

By 'What excuse did they have?' Imeant the police.

Anonymous said...

I loved Harvest Fest, too. It was one of my favorite things. I was really sad when Warren stopped it and I wondered how it could be right for one prophet to let us have it and then the next prophet say it was wrong. said one person

Yes I got booted out for no reason. Maybe for not wearing long sleeved shirts. Did'nt look like them. Me and some friends showed up and Sam Barlow himself showed us out. I also have been to some of the sunday meetings back when they were still having them. And Rulon Jeffs was in charge then. The bishop did let me go to them. Sitting there for a three hour meeting is not a good way to spend time on a sunday. Gets very boring quickly....

The reason they have so many problems, is because they have gone astray and been given over to their enemies. As have all the Mormon Churches. None follow the word but change the word to their own liking. The LDS being a prime example. However they all do it. They will soon have their reward. Danite

bbgae said...

Thankyou, Danite,
Would you care to come over to the "Warren's Release" thread to continue this conversation? You have some valid points, I think, but I would like to keep this thread positive. :)

muggsey said...

From an outsider who has often strongly disagreed with your doctrine.

From that which I read from above I rejoice with you that those impenetrable walls of mis-trust and fear are beginning to come down. Just like the Battle of Jericho, you people are beginning to trust in the Lord God, not in any prophet and the walls that divide and separate are falling down. I rejoice with your new found joy.

Anonymous said...

Big Love is just one more attempt by a liberal Hollywood elite to force their own perverse values on Middle America.
(Judeo-Christian)or even (islamo-mormon)it is equally offensive to all montheist creeds.

Anonymous said...

anon,,what is your interpretation of the word "liberal" as you used it in your post?

uncaduff

bbgae said...

11:08-
Hmmmm...
As far as I know ther are no polygamous celebrities, producers, or directors. I think they would agree with you that polygamy is perverse. :)

bbgae said...

If Big Love is so offensive to you, don't watch it. No one is forcing you.

Anonymous said...

11:08pm.
Please turn the FOX NEWS off go outside
smell the air,or read a book!!

Anonymous said...

Well first of all the producer of Big Love is a homosexual.

My my What could their agenda be?

bbgae said...

8:29-
LOl. Ok. You have a valid point there.

bbgae said...

Let's move this conversation to the thread I created for it. (I did it just for you, 8:29 and 11:08.)I find the subject fascinating, and I'll agrue with you there about it. :)

I would like to keep this thread mostly about positive expierences and ect. of FLDS.

Thankyou! :)

muggsey said...

I thrill with those of you who are and have been coming out of FLDS. You are making it clear to others who read your contribution that you have been deluded for a long time and that freedom has a sweet smell. If you will turn your eyes upon the Savior of the World, He can fill the void in your life and help you through hard times, both emotionally and physically.

May the God of Mercy continue to bless your efforts and as you come to be dependent upon Him, instead of a mere human declaring himself to be a higher and more noble being than yourself, may you, for the first time in your life, know true peace, that passes all understanding.

Anonymous said...

I lived in Salt Lake and I always looked forward to going down south for October Fest, April conference, 4th and 24th of July and any other reason I could find to go down there. I loved to go down to the basketball court and I would play basketball from morning until dark. I would only quit long enough to grab something to eat. Every down there was so friendly and I miss those good ole days alot.

bbgae said...

Another good thing I have witnessed is no matter how few or far between, there are several families I know that have had 'perfect' moments. You know what I'm talking about. I am not talking about the smiling to keep sweet even though your heart is breaking, but true happiness. Moments where every wife is truly happy and for a little time they are the idealic plural family. Even my disasterous first 'marriage' had a few of those moments. They do exist, and they are sweet.

Anonymous said...

I too, enjoyed the years I spent in C.C.
Because of our shared religion school teachers were so much more understanding than public school teachers. There was a bond unknown to many and people honestly cared about one another. I looked forward to dances, plays or whatever special entertainment was planned for the weekends before returning to school on Monday mornings.
I am so extremely grateful for the opportunity of spending time there and getting to know so many wonderful people.
I returned a few times, after graduating, for the Harvestfest, meetings etc., but my little family had become my focus by then and of course my interests were toward my tiny children more than anything else and I was always anxious to return home.
I haven't been back for several years now. It doesn't sound like the same place I once knew and loved.
jc

Anonymous said...

I miss the music.

Scatter Sunshine

Whosoever

Anonymous said...

I know it's off subject but I had a question concerning some former classmates. Just wanted to know how they're doing. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Merrill Stubbs
Ephraim Neilson
Hyrum Roundy
David Barlow
Jeannie Barlow
Chris Chatwin
Charles Harker
Timothy Holm
Alicia Pipkin
Kevin Pipkin
Hyrum Roundy
Kenneth Pledger

Once again, thanks in advance!

Anonymous said...

The problem is that everyone on this website wants to blame failled marriages on the FLDS and every other criminal offense. The other churches have just as many failed marriages as the FLDS. And just as many child molesters running around in the LDS as the FLDS. I visit the creek every other week, it is a very positive experience. The FLDS are being brought to a means of submission by the states just like the LDS when they gave in to the Federal Government some years ago and lost the Priesthood at the same time.

fttc said...

Anon 12:34

No, I have been on this blog for quite some time and I don't blame the failed marriages on the FLDS. I blame it on specific leadership in the FLDS setting the stage for destruction of family values. If you have not seen the results of this in the people I can only say you must be a passive observer in your visits. Does this mean that every family left in the FLDS is falling apart? No. I know several that are not. But interesting enough these are families that are not known for being the most faithful followers. They are still in support of warren and his leadership but do not incorporate all of his teachings into their families. Those I know (and I have family members involved) that are trying hard to be accepted as the faithful, are having a very difficult time hanging onto their children. The children have reached teenage years and left home long before they were of legal age.

bbgae said...

12:34-
This thread was ESPECIALLY for positive things about the FLDS. Show me the sentance where ANYONE has blamed any failed marriage on the FLDS learership in recent posts.

No on on this thread has come close to saying anything like that but you. My post above about marriages only mentions GOOD things!

I have never blamed any marriage, not even my first 'marriage' on ANYONE in any of my posts. My worst offense was calling my ex-'husband' an as-h---.Do you have a kinder and gentler name you would call a man who physically and mentally abuses his wives and children?

Anonymous said...

A few more positives from when I grew up:
Going to the dump on Saturdays: now I know this isn't a big thing for city folks, but my dad let my brother and me take the garbage to the dump on Saturdays. That meant we got to drive...and we were only 11 or 12. We used to make a day of it and bring more treasure home than trash dumped. Unca: I think I found one of your chain saws that you had accidentally kicked out of your truck during a dump run. When I got home I was showing my dad all the treasures we found. When I showed him the saw he said "Hey, that's Duffy's, take it back to him." I had to settle for a bent bike frame, which I took back to the dump a couple of weeks later.

Ice Skating: When I was a kid, all of the ponds, sumps, and reservoirs would freeze over from about Thanksgiving to the end of Feb. We were constantly in search of good ice, not all of them had ice thick enough to skate on. When we found good ice, every one with a pair of skates would show up. Someone would build a bonfire using old tires (stunk like hell, but gave good light, just don't stay downwind for too long) and we would skate for hours. When we got home my mom would put us in the tub and run cold water on us to thaw us out. That sure hurt, but it was worth it just to skate all night.

Swimming: During the summer, all of the ponds, sumps,and reservoirs would turn into swimming holes. Water Canyon was the greatest as long as you could make it through the sand spots in the road. We usually had someone's mom's car, and would let the air out of the tires to make it. God, that water was cold!

LTG

Anonymous said...

I remember looking forward to Saterdays. Because that would bring our older brother our house to take us on fourwheeler rides. We were little kids, but, it was the highlight of the week!

Grateful Mama

muggsey said...

Why is it that you seem to blame something or someone else for the failure in your life? Grow up, if you goof, so what. All humans make mistakes.

The big problem in marriage is the lack of committment. Couples getting married enter this estate with the attitude that if it doesn't work out I'll just change wives/husbands and beds and start over again.

Don't you realize that you, as individuals are incapable of forgeting all the negative memories from your previous experiences. All you do is carry all of them with you to your next encounter, and you wonder why marriages fail. So you change mates and beds, what have you accomplished? You have destroyed the hope of a stable home where love prevails. Any children born to the union are the ones to suffer. Don't you care about them?

Don't marry until you mature enough to understand that marriage is a partnership not a dictatorship. A hurt you cause today continues to hurt, even if, or after you ask for forgivness. This is especially so if the mate doesn't understand that we never forget a wrong but, if we have the love of Christ as our guide we don't have to dwell upon that wrong. Try to push it to the back of your mind. Fill in under "unimportant issues" and get on with life. People in all walks of life can literally lose focus on life by carrying a grudge and letting it become the focal point for their existance. This sort of behavior works against persons who have tendencies toward mental disorders. JUST GROW UP! THINK BEFORE YOU LEAP! THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH TO CRITICIZE OR FIND FAULT! OFFER TO HELP INSTEAD OF A BROADSIDE. USE COMMON SENSE. YOU WILL BE SURPRISED AT HOW WELL THESE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS TO LIFE WILL IMPROVE RELATIONSHIPS.

Anonymous said...

I also loved listening to Uncle Parley
tell us his favorite love story of Isaac and Rebeckah.

Grateful Mama.

Anonymous said...

I used to like going up to Uncle Parley's in the summer!Or visiting my
older married sisters in Canada.We would usually stay a few nights in SLC
and a day or two with Uncle Bill's folks in Idaho on these trips.

Anonymous said...

I miss living out to the crick too, back in the "good ol' days". Most of the people that live there do the best they know how. So please treat them with respect. I remember how it felt to go out of town and be treated badly just because of how I looked or where I was from.

bbgae said...

I was never treated badly that I can remember by anyone the whole time I lived in C.C. All the people would smile at me, compliment me on my hair, or my dress, or ask smilingly about my babies. I was never treated different by anyone just because I was a 'plyg'.
The only difference I noticed when I started to dress and act like a gentile was that no one took notice of me anymore. It was like I disappeared. I never even noticed the attention, until it was gone.

bbgae said...

And yes, I was talking about the 'gentiles.'

Anonymous said...

I was never treated badly either. Everyone was always very sweet and talked to me.The last time I was there a few of my friends and I went for pie.

G M

Anonymous said...

to bad this thread is comming to a frayed end. the good memories are what I like to recall. I like to reminisce about the fruit picking trips to hurricane,helping Dave Brodbent and Uncle Fred deliver groceries around town, in the old united order days,helping Uncle Rich lay up stone on the old J&B service station and the old store building,staying up till three o clock in the morning helping Uncle Fred can tomatoes at the old cannrey(this was the first cannery,that was built between the two houses that Lee Bistline raised his family in.) I like to remember the old school days,when Louis Barlow was principal, he got an old war surplus generator and had Harvard stubbs and some the guys hook it to an old car engine.we actualy had electricity at the school! Lou had us dig a well by hand. someone would be in the hole digging,while others would pull the buckets of dirt up on a rope. we put in the well, put in a pump that was powered by the generator, and planted grass in the square that was between the three school buildings. I believe that was the first lawn ever planted in short creek! we put up a tall flag pole in the center of the lawn.it was a power line pole that Lou got from somewhere, he had some of the kids WHITTLE ... a ball, out of wood, it was about six to eight inches in diamature. the ball went on top of the pole. one evening I was playing around at the school, it was about dusk, Merril and Truman came along and grabbed me ,they jerked my pants off and ran them up the flag pole. Ill bet they don't remember that ,but I do . Its funny now but I was sure mad at them then.

well Im gettin kinda long winded so Ill stop, but lets not ever forget the good memories.

uncaduff

Anonymous said...

Merrill Jessop and Truman Barlow?

Anonymous said...

ya, them guys.
uncaduff.

Anonymous said...

I remember hiking Over the Saddle in the second grade. It was very hot and I was very tired. Alivn Barlow came with us and he had to carry me part way down the mountain. I found out it is possible to be embarrassed in the second grade:)

G M

Anonymous said...

Uncaduff, do you remember how Uncle Parley would leave garden produce at people's front door? There were big bags of potatoes and other vegetables, also fruit. M-M-M it was soo nice. He never expected to be paid. -just wanted to help.
What an example!
jc

Anonymous said...

yes, I remember that. Remember Uncle Fred teaching us to 'Fill up our neighbors basket, press it down and run it over'

so much has changed.

G M

Anonymous said...

I remember Uncle Parley distributing spuds around town, I also remember Uncle Fred bringing groceries to the house one time when I was laid up, and couldn't work. doesn't any of that kind of thing happen now? if not,its really sad.

uncaduff.

Anonymous said...

I remember one time Joe S. Jessop came around delivering "jackrabbit" meat.

Anonymous said...

Can you remember way back there when somebody would fetch venison(poached most likely)from the Steed Ranch,I thought that was much better than "jack rabbit"meat.

bbgae said...

I remember whenever there was a funeral, Uncle Alvin would gather up his boys and go rake the family's yard. People would bring over food and offer support to the family.

Anonymous said...

Uncle Parley had the most beautiful lilac bushes. They were known all around as the biggest bushes. They smelled awesome!

G M

Anonymous said...

Exactly 5:18

Anonymous said...

So, how fun was it to go on the hay rides at the harvest fest? My friends and I went mostly for the rides and to google over the canada boys that came down. lol.

G M

Anonymous said...

Speaking of which...does anyone know where Dixon Kapscos is? I know he was one of Warren's "casualties" about a year ago. I would love to get in contact with him. Man, I "crushed" on him!!!

bbgae said...

I have not heard or seen anything of Dixon, but if I do, I will let you know.

Anonymous said...

I still remember when Uncle Fred supervised men in building a house in a day... so cool.

G M

Anonymous said...

GM, were you involved in building the academy? do you remember the boys going to the sawmill after school, to help cut lumber for the building? all the lumber used in the building was rough cut, one day uncle Edson asked me if I could do something with the old plainer that that had sat around at the sawmill for years.
I took the the old ford dump truck that Eddie Lane had,"he let us use it to haul sawdust from the mill hopper" I jacked up one wheel,and ran a belt from the tire to the planer. I had to

put a twist in the belt, so the planer would turn the right direction.we had to have someone in the truck to run the gas pedal.anyway we were able to plane some lumber for Uncle Edson.he used the first boards we plained, around the big windows in the botanical garden, in the center of the academy building.

uncaduff.

bbgae said...

I think the house in a day GM is talking about is the one the men built from basement to finished in twenty-six hours one Thanksgiving in the '90's.

I was soooo jealous of the men that day. I cursed the fact that I was a girl and couldn't go help. One of the women heard me complaining, and said, "There can't be sons, without mothers." This made me feel better.(But I still wanted to pick up a nail gun and a tool belt and go in there....) :)

bbgae said...

Uncaduff-
My father is the same age as Trueman and Alvin. You probabally knew him once....

Anonymous said...

if he lived at el cricko during the time between 1945 and 1983, then I new him.
uncaduff

bbgae said...

Uncaduff-
My father was born there in 1935 and lived there until he was a teenager, then moved to Salt Lake with his family. He came down for a visit right before the 1953 raid. He listened to what happened on the radio as he drove home with his sisters. He joined the army, then married my mother in 1961 and moved back to the 'crick'.

Anonymous said...

BB, is your father in Missouri now?

uncaduff.

bbgae said...

No. He's still in C.C.

Anonymous said...

uncaduff, sorry I was out of town for a few days. No I was not involved in the building of the academy. I was talking of the house bb said. Although I did enjoy going ther after it was finished.

G M

Anonymous said...

It was nice to be reminded of the academy, uncaduff. I spent a couple of yrs there during the 60's. I really enjoyed those years. There were so many wonderful times--so many special people!

Anonymous said...

There were so many wonderful times--so many special people!

4/14/2007 11:19 PM

do you remember the plays that sister Collett produced? I had no idea of the quality of those productions, until I got away, and saw other things to compare them with. there was some real culture being introduced through the academy,before the "one man rule" folks introduced there; "cultural revolution"

uncaduff.

Anonymous said...

What year was the academy discontinued, and why was it?

bbgae said...

I remember Uncle Fred riding a black stallion at the head of the 24th of July Parade every year. The stallion would be all decked out with tassels and silver, and everyone would cheer. Someone would usually throw candy from one of the floats, and the children would go wild after it.

Anonymous said...

Duff, I think those plays were produced by Mary Wooley. If it's the ones I'm thinking. Collette was employed there at that time but only a minor figure.

Anonymous said...

you could be right,I remember the missionaries were invited to a cast party after one of the plays.it was held at sister Collett's home, so I may have been referencing that.I didn't know either of those ladies real well.but you gotta agree those plays were great.

uncaduff, (the senile one,)

bbgae said...

LOL.
Uncaduff- you are not senile. You can still see well enough to type, and your logic is sound. :)

Anonymous said...

why thank you bbgae,not everyone agrees with you about the logic, so thank you!
uncaduff.

Anonymous said...

unca:
I remember several plays you were in, either acting or producing. They were pretty good. In one you had grown a 2 week beard (which I thought was evil) and played the guitar. I went with you and my dad up to the sawmill to record the noise from one of the old trucks starting up and driving away, which you used as a background for another play.

Don't rat me out.

LTG

Anonymous said...

ltg, uncle Marrion didn't like the beard either! that play was written by Varina Black cook,if I remember right, it was one of a series of short plays produced by the academy.some of them were written by local talent. I got chewed out,kinda, for playin my part to realistically. I was the mean ol mule skinner boss.
the one with the truck sounds, was written by my sister Alyne. I had to make all the sound effects,I made most of them with electronic ocillators and amplifiers, but some sounds were easier to just record.
I can remember going to the sawmill to record the truck, but I cant remember who went with me, so I couldn't rat you out if I wanted to
Leanard Barlow helped me with the electronics, wonder what he's up to these days.
uncaduff.

Utahn said...

Uncle Marion,didnt like beards at all,I wonder if he knew Brigham Young,John Taylor,John Wooley,and
Uncle Lorin Wooley all wore beards?
Or if he cared?

Anonymous said...

uncle Marrion was a bit dictatorial for my natural self, but you gotta give him a lot of credit for civilizing us crick-a- billies. he was instrumental in bringing power and water into town, and showing us we could have lawns and indoor plumbing an such.

uncaduff

Anonymous said...

what a crock duff, he just showed up about 1960 or so, and took the credit for all that stuff that was "happening" It just took civilization longer to reach the outback. For inside plumbing we were digging septic drainfield trenches with a pick and shovel in those days.

He had a lot to do with changing the name form Short Creek to Colorado City though. He didn't like the stigma.

He did preach vociferously about cleaning up and being more refined though.

Anonymous said...

thats my story an im stickin to it.
uncaduff

Anonymous said...

Choose well your hill.

Anonymous said...

hey, does any one remember uncle parley's spudnuts at the harvest fest? we went just for those they are sooo yummmmy!!!

bbgae said...

Speaking of which, there was an article in the Salt Lake Tribune that reported Uncle Parley's farm might be sold and the money given to the UEP.

(Yes, I LOVED those spudnuts!)

Anonymous said...

I thought the Harker Farms were already in the UEP ? I guess the Corporation of the President and UEP weren't the same thing after all.

bbgae said...

Ok. This is what I understand, but I could be wrong, so don't quote me on this. The Harker farms WERE part of the UEP. Now, Mr. Wisan is in control, and a judge ruled he could sell that particular parcel of land for the debts owed the UEP by some of the former trustees.
Harkers are being cooperative and peaceful about it.

Anonymous said...

If the Wisan plan includes giving title to homes to the people who built them and have lived in them for years, he should seriously consider giving the Harker farm back to the Harkers; the sons of Parley. They bought and paid for it, they should get it back.

LTG