Monday, August 07, 2006

David Draper

Another death to add to Warren's list of debts he must repay to society.

64 comments:

ex creeker said...

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rumor-has-it said...

David was married to Kathleen Darger and had a beautiful family.

It is a shame that there is shunning by those whom he loved the most.

onthestreet said...

Those he loved the most love the soul, and David's precious soul. It is the weaknesses that cannot be fed to thrive where children are seeking the salvation of their own souls. What those weaknesses were must not be counted here, but only his strengths, to count our blessings for having known him. There are plenty of things that are great about the man, that could occupy our attention for many years, and be a benefit to society.

onthestreet said...

Such a fantasy, Rumor, and just so, just a rumor after all, coming from an unstable mind. It is obviously erroneous to pin the death of everyone who dies onto the Prophet who only teaches life and the bread of life to the people. If some goes out and committs murder, and especially to murder themselves, it only confirms their instability, they being young spirits in the scheme of things, while others were also cast out only to return victorious.

Uncle Roy often says that no death is an untimely death. We all came here to obtain a body and the experience that our karma and our spirit are ready for. David has accomplished that.

Anonymous said...

They say he said his good byes to his kids before he went missing.

Anonymous said...

YEAH....CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS CRAP??

I ALSO HEARD THERE WAS ONE OF WINSTON'S FOLLOWERS SHOT AND KILLED UP IN CANADA BY ONE OF FRUITCAKE WARRENS FOLLOWERS...

IS THIS TRUE???

muggsey said...
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Anonymous said...

Not only can it be pinned on Warren Jeffs, he can be held totally responsible for many others.

If you have the power to do good and you do evil, you answer to GOD. Warren Jeffs does evil by telling men to repent from a distance and taking their families away. No wonder they die with broken hearts.

rumor-has-it said...

I too believe there is no untimely death. It brings alot of comfort to me. Funerals are God's gift for bringing families together or tearing them apart. The FLDS use them to tear people apart.

The saddest thing in all the world is that David died by himself, alone. When he had so many people who knew and loved him.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have more information on this? Where, when, how?
Thanks.

fttc said...

copy and paste

http://thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060805/NEWS01/608050301/1002/

Anonymous said...

Body of missing man pulled from car wreckage

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A funeral service for David is scheduled for Thursday morning at the Metcalf Mortuary in St. George. Burial will be at the St. George cemetery.

fundy said...

If a man decides to take his own life, which is not known here, for sure, he, in effect is giving up the struggle and giving in to forces of evil here. I don't think thats the proper course to take. Need to fight back. One needs to engage the enemy. And fight him. The FLDS need to turn WJ in themselves. And recognise his perverted ways.

fundy said...

David Draper like alot of other FLDS should have done the proper thing, go after WJ and his friends. And hunt them down. And when you find them -------------- uh huh.

Anonymous said...

An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind. Violence is not the answer.

Warren will get his karma whether we do anything or not. If he is left to himself long enough perhaps he will screw things up so badly that even the most devout FLDS will finally wake up to just how wrong this religion is.

Then it ends! And nothing could be better for the people caught up in the madness.

Anonymous said...

Fundy, those are the best two posts I've ever read of yours.

rumor-has-it said...

Warren Jeffs is , what do you call it when you feed off of other humans? that's it, CANABALISTIC.

I agree that violence is NOT the answer. If you are in a conflict the greatest weapon you need is a county sherrif standing by your side and a video camera running. FLDS don't do things for logical reasons. Words with actions will make the difference.IMO
With all the men and families that have been told to repent from a distance and the ones that have NO HOPE, soon WJ will be cutting off the ones that are helping him the most right NOW. Of course, there are more Nazi children to take their place, only to have the same thing done to them. Who knows how long it will take for the cycle to turn. At least we get to watch from the outside, it is only easier in one degree, just because we will NEVER let that happen again in our lifetime.

Thanks to WJ "Answer them nothing" has helped alot. After all judges and law enforcement take that as pleading guilty.

Anonymous said...

No one knows for sure what was in the heart of David Draper.

It might of been an accident, it might not.

Only God knows what happened with Mr. Draper and hopefully he sought God peace in his last moments.

Anonymous said...

How do you know the man in the accident was David Draper?

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (8/08/2006 9:53 AM):

Not only can it be pinned on Warren Jeffs, he can be held totally responsible for many others. If you have the power to do good and you do evil, you answer to GOD. Warren Jeffs does evil by telling men to repent from a distance and taking their families away. No wonder they die with broken hearts.


STREET’s Reply: Is it good or evil, to obey the Lord and “prune the vineyard”?

EMBARASSING FALSE PROPHECIES?? Jesus would return in 1891 - Joseph Smith: February 14, 1835

“President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. He then gave a revelation of some circumstances attending us while journeying to Zion .. our trial, sufferings; and said God had not designed all this for nothing, but He had it in remembrance yet; and it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the Last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty - six years would wind up the scene.”(History of the Church Vol. 2 pg. 182)

Let us see, from 1835 to 1886, Yup, the Lord came and pruned the vineyard. Prophecy Fulfilled.


Rev. 19:15: And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Lev. 25: 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

3 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;

4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

THE SIX-DAYS OR 6,000 YEARS ARE FINISHED, AND THE SABBOTH OF THE EARTH IS HERE.


Taking families away? (Matt. 34:10): COULD JESUS CHRIST REALLY HAVE BEEN WRONG?

34. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36. And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.

37. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Anonymous said...

you guys don't need to harm wj nor even turn him in
all you need to do is simply say "no"
and away he goes
as harmless as the day he was born

...but that won't happen
because your hearts are weak and poisoned
to defy wj would be conceding that everything you've ever learned and known
is all one big lie

isn't it ironic
that the only real way to defeat this satan
is to turn your backs on god
(your god that is)

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

We are having his funeral aren't we?

desert darling said...

The kid shot in Canada was a warrenite, just a couple of kids playing with guns. It was an accident.

Anonymous said...

We are having his funeral aren't we?

Anonymous said...

In the gloaming, O my darling!
When the lights are dim and low
And the quiet shadows falling
Softly come and softly go

For my heart was crushed with longing
What has been, could never be,
It was best to leave you thus dear
Best for you, and best for me

In the gloaming O my darling
Think not bitterly of me!
Tho’ I passed away in silence
Left you lonely, set you free;

When the winds are sobbing faintly
With a gentle unknown woe
Will you think of me and love me
As you did once long ago?

---
David Draper, a friend and brother I will always remember with fondness. May his memory be only of a man who loved his children more than his life.

Please my fellow children of God, do not use this mans death as bullets in your war. I am sure he would appreciate it.

Anonymous said...

Who was the kid who was shot? How old and was he killed or injured?

fttc said...

Anon 5:12

That was beautiful and very fitting. I hope all will respect your request regarding the bullets. I never knew David personally but as with all who have passed on he is beyond the reach of our censure and should only be respected in the best way we can.

Matthew S Musser said...

I knew David and he was one of the most loving and gentel men i knew that his family was taken from him shows us all that WJ is the tool of the devil. child and mind molester. may god not have mercy on his soul...

Anonymous said...

Although i'm not FLDS, I knew David from his days at CMC Hardware. He was always polite, helpful, good natured, and friendly to this "wicked apostate". It seems like the Hardware store that employeed, David Draper, Amos Musser, and David Musser hired people that cared a bit more about God's children then shunning innocent people. Unfortunately, Amos and David Draper were run out of town. I think Amos got out with at least one wife and it sounds like they took David Drapers wife away. I don't know the status of David Musser, if he's still in "good standing" he must have repudiated his father and grandfather by now. It is very sad to see honest people abused in this way. Remember God is just and that is why we can have confidence and faith in him.

feralfem said...

Anon 5:12 and fttc:

I heartily agree with your lovely sentiments.

I knew David. Few will ever understand what he went through personally. For those of us who knew and cared for him, our memories are cherished.

Using his death to promote personal agendas and speculation is not only uncalled for, it's inappropriate.

May David's family and many friends find comfort and peace.

Anonymous said...

A B A N D O N M E N T

one lonely broken heart
searching for the answers
eight beautiful children dear
loved with all his heart
a wife so sweet and talented
so hard to walk away from
obedience to the prophet
removed all freedom and care

where is the love?
who can understand?
how can i repent?
what is repentance?
why am i not worthy?
why is life worth living?

thru the anguish of exile
the pain was to much
for one lonely broken heart

Anonymous said...

David Draper


ST. GEORGE - David Draper, 40, passed away on July 25th, 2006, in LaVerkin, Utah. David was born on April 28th 1966 in Salt Lake City, Utah to Ada John son and Wilford Alvin Draper. He married Kathleen Darger in Salt Lake City.

As a young man, David delivered newspapers and later worked for Brother Bauer in a machine shop. After he married, he moved to Southern Utah and helped run a hardware store for many years. Later he worked as an electrician, drove truck for several companies, and enjoyed working with his brothers in their new hardware business. David was an example of obedience to the directives given to him. He was very gentle, a hard worker, and was especially interested in admiring all of God's creations.

David is survived by his mother Ada; his brothers Daniel, Leroy, Guy, Barlow, Nephi, Moroni, Lorin, and Steven; his sister Ada Marie; his wife Kate; his daughters Celesta Marie and April May; as well as his sons Wilford Taylor, David Lee, Rulon Allen, Wendell Leroy, Edson Joseph, and Jeremiah Carter. David was a loving brother and genuine friend to all he knew.

Funeral services will be held Thursday, August 10, 2006, at 11:00 AM., at the Metcalf Mortuary Chapel, 288 W. St. George Blvd., St. George, UT. A visitation will also be held Thursday, from 10-10:45 a.m., at the mortuary, prior to services. Interment will be in the St. George City Cemetery under the direction of Metcalf Mortuary 435-673-4221. Condolences may be sent through Metcalf's website at www.metcalfmortuary.com.



Originally published August 9, 2006
The Spectrum

onthestreet said...

It seems the most of the posts in this thread certainly didn't answer to one plea in a good man's demise:
"Please my fellow children of God, do not use this mans death as bullets in your war. I am sure he would appreciate it. 8/09/2006 5:12 AM

How about a cease-fire for the day, Thursday, August 10th, when he is layed to rest. It would seem very fitting to actually close down this blog for August 10th, and let everyone just think and ponder and pray for all of God's children who remain here, trying to worship God according to the dictates of their conscience.

How about it, fokes, NO POSTS TOMORROW, and if anyone posts, for the ADMIN to delete them, and let there be peace everywhere.

red rocks girl said...

nice try ots not going to happen. The more we talk about it, the more people will come to realize how truly evil that man warren jeffs is and how he is not worth the lives that he has destroyed!@!@@@@@

ATAR_i said...

red rocks. I think OTS was referring to FTTC's request that no one post on the 10th out of respect to the dead.

I didn't post either.

I'm not sure the word got out enough though, it was just written at the bottom of a couple threads.

It was sort of a blog - cease fire.

Anonymous said...

The rumor is that David was sent away for mental unstablity and the reason that he was done was that he heard that his wife had gotten remarried and that left him with NO HOPE

One of the family members said...

Thanks to all who participated in the cease-fire in respect to David. The funeral was small and his own children weren't allowed to attend. It is a good reflection on humanity that complete strangers are willing to pause and respect one of God's battered children.

ATAR_i said...

His children weren't allowed to attend? Were they turned away, or were they not allowed to come?

onthestreet said...

It would seem good, that after a cease-fire, in regard to this particular thread, that it should be perpetual, that there may be rest for David, for the dead, and for the living.

How about it? Wouldn't that be a good thing?

He was invited to repent for good cause, and he made a hero's effort for a good while.

fttc said...

Sorry Street

After the proper respects have been paid and the deceased laid to rest it would be a disgrace to his memory to cease to fight in the cause of truth. The evils that sent him away from his family, that kept his own children from attending that last rites in his honor, that continue to threaten so many more families and the peace of a community must be attended to. There are so many who have fallen asleep at the helm of their families. They have allowed warren to usurp their authority and they need to wake up lest there are more casualties such as this. The fight against these evils cannot stop because the evil one has been victor once or twice. We must battle to the last man in honor of those who have fallen.

Anonymous said...

atar_i, David's children weren't allowed to attend the funeral by their step-grandfather, with whom they live.

rumor-has-it said...

Hear, Hear!

ATAR_i said...

Wow, that's something.

Uncle Ratt said...

OTS -
Concerning David- You hypocritical, pious, know-nothing jackass. Who do you think you're kidding? I don't believe that you would know how to honor anyone, judging by your previous comments on this blog. If you do not have enough intelligence and reason to know what kind of a wicked, phony, lying, son of perdition that your "beloved" false self-appointed prophet Warren Jackass Jeffs is, then how do you expect anyone with the intelligence of a black ant would ever believe you or give you any credence?

You are a disgrace to the memory of your father and your very gifted mother. There is one hope for you. You will have all eternity to repent in after you leave this existence. Why don't you wake up and see what is really happening with your beloved community? Chew on this for a while.

onthestreet said...

Sorry fokesy's, no bullets from me on this thread.

Uncle Ratt said...

What thread do you prefer, Streetzie?

Anonymous said...

Uncle Ratt
SO who is Steets dad?? Is he still alive? was he in the council??

Anonymous said...

Street's dad was Edson Jessop. He is no longer alive. He mercifully died before he could witness the systematic destruction of the religion that he loved and worked his entire life for.

He was not in "the council" but he was the appointed secretary or scribe for the meetings. He was also a very respected member of the community and would turn in his grave to hear Val's rants.

polywatchin said...

about the kid in canada who was shot - his last name was Palmer, I dont remember first name. he was 15. his cousin shot him accidentally. the gun and place was Mac Blackmores. the gun was in a locked place. 911 was called.

Anonymous said...

David Draper was one of the few men in the "Priesthood Work" who grew up being obedient as a young man and was obedient to his father. He never got into one tenth of the evil actions and such that Warren and his brothers were into as they were growing up. David took all the teachings of the brethren to heart and was a good man. He was an example to all and was far more humble than most. David had the misfortune of coming from a time when the brethren didn't believe in getting more than a eighth grade education. He went to Alta Academy when it was in its infancy and the quality of training wasn't as good as in the later years, they didn't start having high school classes until about 3 years after David got out of eighth grade. David only ever worked for Priesthood businesses, most of which took advantage of him and would only pay him the minimum they could, a common trait with Priestood businesses.

I am truly sad to see what Warren has done to David. There was nothing wrong with the life that David lived. He was a good man and well trained in the principles of the Gospel. David would have made a far better leader than Warren and Warren knows that. David was a pure and innocent man, he would have made a fair leader and judge. He kept himself pure until he was given a wife by the Priesthood. He was a faithful and kind husband to his dear wife.

David, as you rest in a place of paradise, the Lord and Savior being the final judge, remember this important thing, "To hell with Warren Steed Jeffs". Go get a big hug from our brother, friend and Lord, none other than Jesus Christ and hear what he has to say in a job well done. I am sure that Jesus has a great mission for you in the work he is performing there.

Anonymous said...

An exquisite eulogy for David!

Thank you for that, anon 9:20.

Anonymous said...

Is Bishop Willy Timspon somehow connected to Edson Jessop?

Uncle Ratt said...

Willy Timpson's mother is Kathy Jessop (Timpson) who is Edson's daughter.

Kathy left her husband, President Alma Timpson and was given to her Uncle Fred as a wife. Sad to say, it is very likely that Edson would have condoned his daughter's adulterous and wicked behavior.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Uncle Ratt.

desert darling said...

After seeing Val in person and scanning the trash that street posts here and other places, I have come to the conclusion that Street is NOT Val Jessop.

Try again anon

onthestreet said...

DESERT Said (8/18/2006 8:04 PM): He was not in "the council" but he was the appointed secretary or scribe for the meetings. He was also a very respected member of the community and would turn in his grave to hear Val's rants.

STREET’s Reply: Yes, he rolls over alright, LAUGHING. He is my father.

ATAR_i said...

can you say why you don't think so?

Anonymous said...

Holy Cow!! Street, you just admitted that you are Uncle Val!!! I can't hardly believe it! Some of the rants and carrying on that Street does just doesn't sound like you at all! Some of us thought that you were Tom Barlow because some of the stuff that Street posted sounded like the ranting of the insane......What happened to you?

ATAR_i said...

OK - now that we know that OTS is Val - can you tell us about Val?

desert darling said...

Sorry Streety, I'm not the one that said anything about Edson Jessop.

As a "community father" Edson took care of a lot of young men, was in charge of "missionary boys" who did volunteer work, ie., hard labor around the community. But that was many years ago, long before Street's time.

No, I still don't believe that Street is Val. Street is between 30 and 35.

wildthangfromCC said...

Who said that Street is between 30 and 35?

Anonymous said...

desert darling, on what do you base your assessment that Street/OTS is between 30 and 35?

desert darling said...

Like I said on another post, street admitted it himself, in a less vulgar moment quite a while ago, possibly on the aimoo forum.

Anonymous said...

How about Winn?