Tuesday, May 23, 2006

TOP Things I love about the FLDS/Short Creek

* Industrious Workers
* Best Volunteer Parametics and EMT
* Best volunteer Fire Dept
* Great Doctors
* Great Dentist
* Great Food (Candy Shoppe)
* Best Health Food Store ever (Garden Gate)
* Great Raw Milk/Squeeky Cheese/Pepper Jack Cheese (The dairy)
* Fresh Meat (Storehouse)
* Fresh Produce
* Homegrown Potatoes, Corn, Tomatoes (Harker Farms)
* Homemade Bread (Yum!)
* Great Homemakers, sewing, cooking, cleaning, raising kids
* Most Brilliant Minds not cluttered with TV programs
* Talented Dancing, Singing
* Good Food
* Boy's Crew (taking all the little boys 6-12 and doing community cleanup hoeing weeds, picking up trash) great program
* Cute Dresses
* Best Raw Milk (Finney Farms)
* Beautiful Mountains, Canyons, Creek
* Close to Zions, Grand Canyon, Bryce, Valley of Fire, Tuacan

85 comments:

Anonymous said...

THANK YOU, RUMOR!!!!

Its about time that someone listed some of the great things about the Crik!! I grew up there, and although I was booted out in the mass out-castings, I have never regretted my wonderful upbringing! I think that if things were still taught like they were back in the days, no one on earth would want to take that away.....

But, can't "shoulda"....and anyway life is good no matter where I am anyway. It's a choice that anyone can make, no matter what their circumstances...(I learned that from my mother's knee out at the Crik) and I am so glad for the life I have now, as well.

Thanks once again for reminding us!!

WildThangFromCC

fundy said...

Having shopped at CC on numerous ocassions I would have to agree but the meat is a bit on the high side. The dairy has the only curd to be had in this area and the cheese and milk is very good. Vegetable market is the best any where.

saar said...

I bet Short Creek Valley has the highest number of kids that can play an instument from piano and violin to band instruments. The singers that come from there are wonderful.

I also bet that the 12 to 16 boys know more about a vocation (trade) than any where around.

They are to be commended!

Anonymous said...

How smart are the kids in mathematics, computer programming and the hard sciences ?
Anyone plays chess ?
Anyone taking IQ tests ?

Just curiosity from an outsider.

Anonymous said...

A logical question:

If things there are so great and everyone so happy why is Warren Jeffs causing such confusion? Why has he siphoned off your money to build YFZ, South Dakota Black Hills, Mesquite and Mancos?

To borrow a quotation from Hamlet, "Something is rotten in Denmark."

Does an Utopia have such problems?

rcn

Anonymous said...

Singing and dancing for sure. I grew up there and there are very talented people. But truth be known, most the intellects are with the Centennial people. I knew alot of second warders that I went to school with that I considered geniuses. But, anyway, all in all, the people in that valley are more talented than the average Joe I would say.

Anonymous said...

What ever happened to that wonderful quartet that used to sing barbershop?

Anonymous said...

The wonderful quartet was told to stop by King warren. I guess he was mad cause they could sing better than him.

Anonymous said...

I agree with what you say about great cheese - Meadow Wayne has the best!

But cute dresses?

I don't think so!

Anonymous said...

Cute dresses disappeared once Warren started requiring women to wear tents for dresses.

rumor-has-it said...

I still can't figure out how to put the Jeffs cd of music on the web so other can listen. I tried Ripway, but couldn't ever get it to play. Any sugestions?

Anonymous said...

And FOOD, FOOD, FOOD

Dutch Oven Dinners
Breakfast at Cottonwood Park
Lunch at Boy's Crew
The Smorgasbord at the Cafeteria
Candy Shoppe Breakfast Burritos
Short Creek Stations Taco Pizza
with fresh lettuce and tomatoes
Fresh Strawberries by the case from CMC
Homemade Bread with Bottled Peaches Yum, Yum, Yum
Craigo's garlic sticks
Hard Icecream cones at the Dairy
Fresh yougart made from Raw Brown Swiss Milk
Fresh Apricots ripe off the tree
Fresh Grapes ripe off the vine
Homemade Spagetti made by mom

OK I am homesick, just wanted to see if you were.

Anonymous said...

The Eldorado Success put some of WJ's audio up on its website. You might contact them and see if they can help.

Anonymous said...

KIRMIT THE FROG AND MISS PIGGY ARE HAND PUPETS AND CAN SING BETTER THAN WARREN, BUT THEN SO CAN A TOADSTOOL.

ATAR_i said...

Getting music onto the web.

download it into something like iTunes, then export it in a quicktime format - or another format for the web.

Upload to a website

Post a link to the file on this list.

You can email me if you need more help - I've done it before.

If you have it in NON digital format - you can do something simple like using a palm pilot to do a voice recording, then import that into iTunes (or soemthing like that - and export.

Please feel free to email me at atar_i@hotmail.com

ATAR_i said...

Getting music onto the web.

download it into something like iTunes, then export it in a quicktime format - or another format for the web.

Upload to a website

Post a link to the file on this list.

You can email me if you need more help - I've done it before.

If you have it in NON digital format - you can do something simple like using a palm pilot to do a voice recording, then import that into iTunes (or soemthing like that - and export.

Please feel free to email me at atar_i@hotmail.com

fundy said...

Well their ok to do business with but as far as making real friends, it does'nt seem to happen. Having tried on several ocassions.

onthestreet said...

You will find that his voice is as angelic as anything on this earth, but only if you are of that spirit.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
Cute dresses disappeared once Warren started requiring women to wear tents for dresses.
5/24/2006 9:42 AM

This shows the fallacy of public opinion. Everyone who knows, knows, that long "tent" dressed go back 170 years, and yes all the way back to Adam. If you are not of his tent, well-covered, then you are an alien, and naked before the Lord and before all men.

Definition of "Cute":
Attractive, especially by means of smallness or prettiness or quaintness.

Partial nudity is certainly smallness, but not pretty. Long flowing gowns are pretty, like angelic robes. They are of the same likeness.

Anonymous said...

"You will find that his voice is as angelic as anything on this earth, but only if you are of that spirit."

Would the spirit be " Jack Daniels" ?

ATAR_i said...

OK, I heard jeffs voice, and I'm more than willing to give credit where credit is due - even to people like him.

But OMG are you joking - his voice was monotone and hypnotic and gave me the creeps.

Anonymous said...

His voice is creepy.I've also heard it. It's monotone to brainwash you. And the dresses are atrocious.

Uncle Sunch said...

I agree. It is about time someone mentioned the qualities in the creek and among fundamentalists. There are some of the brightest, industrious, people out there. As for Warren, yes his voice is creepy.

Uncle Sunch said...

also when I wrecked my car by the bank at 4 in the morning the firsties where there in a flash. by the way who does washington county call whenever they need a scuba diving team? the creek that's what I thought.

Anonymous said...

Tents referred to the fabric, the the shape or amount of nakedness covered. What is so wicked about a rose or leaf on a dress?

Anonymous said...

That should say, "NOT the shape or amount of nakedness covered"

Anonymous said...

The fashions of America are modeled after the whores of Europe and look at the attaire of Young Girls in our school systems.
Modest is the key to chasity. Besides If I want to ware an ear ring in my lip or nose, what business is it of yours. If a young girl wants to ware a long dress and keep her hair from hanging leave her alone. I am appauled and agast to think of trying to get everyone to put a nose ring in their nose just because I do. Everyone Please be like me ok. It makes me so happy!!!

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with the dress code of the FLDS. If that is what they want to wear so be it.
It is what is in the heart that counts.

But it bothers me they think "everyone on the outside is evil."

I think the "apostates" who have left the Warren fold have figured out that people are people no matter where you are in this world. Some good and some bad.

mugwump said...

Voice of the winsome sodomite. Claims to protect his diciples but instead steals their self-respect, the families, the homes, their money, their pride. Read between the lines of WJ's messages and see the control he exerts, the threats he makes, the claims to fame he offers in his own behalf.

If they were awarding Oscars for fakes he'd be winner hands down.

Jeffs, the queen of fraud.

Anonymous said...

All the good hometown things are gone from CCA. There is nothing social at all in the community, and even in the homes they have been asked to stop all music, entertianment, talk and even sex unless approved by WJ. How socially smart are these people? not very and they have no concept of most sports or intersts outside of work. As for the dress it matters not what someone wears, but to have it dictated to you is the wierd thing. He dictates uglyness all around.

All the good things mentioned have thier drawbacks.
* Industrious Workers
Saturday work project but only on things they are asked to work on. What about the people that need help but don't get approved for it. They can work for free on Saturday and live without comfort
* Best Volunteer Parametics and EMT.
talk about the rumor mill. Don't call or you will have your business all over town and to WJ.
* Best volunteer Fire Dept.
needed because homes aren't up to code. Keep on you toes
* Great Doctors
only treat the faithful. Doctor the records for WJ
* Great Dentist
charge an arm and leg for average service
* Great Food (Candy Shoppe).
lots of overweight women. Eating must be the recreation of choice
* Best Health Food Store ever
(Garden Gate)
consultaions are limited to WJ idea of health. Watch out Dianne or whomever is in charge now. You may tell someone something and be asked to leave for practicing with the occult.
* Great Raw Milk/Squeeky Cheese/Pepper Jack Cheese (The dairy)
When they have it squeeky is the best but never on saturday. prices are through the roof.
* Fresh Meat (Storehouse)
only for the faithful not the starving. High up people get the pick of the best and the rest get the left overs.
* Fresh Produce
if you can stand in line and not have a hole stared throught you because you look differnt than the masses. Hey you are the ones that look different. Not everyone out her is a slut. You are wrong agian.
* Homegrown Potatoes, Corn, Tomatoes (Harker Farms)
only for the faithful FLDS others aren't offered those things. Grow your own. WE do!
* Homemade Bread (Yum!)
make your own. The bakery at Albertsons is good too.
* Great Homemakers, sewing, cooking, cleaning, raising kids.
If at first they don't mind then beat the kids, call them names, tell tem they are wicked. destroy self esteem and then have 3 more too many to watch properely and make all clothing because nothing in the world to buy is at WJ standards of color or style. UGLY and covers fat real well.
* Most Brilliant Minds not cluttered with TV programs.
But, clutterd with the brainwashing of a monotone leader. Self righteous dominant and not so birllian when it comes to loving everyone. Socially retarded. Self governing non existent. Thats billiant!
* Talented Dancing, Singing
WJ stopped all of the above because being happy is a lack of the spirit of GOD
* Good Food
You can get it anywhere,even my house
* Boy's Crew (taking all the little boys 6-12 and doing community cleanup hoeing weeds, picking up trash) great program.
Boy going awol because they are worked too hard to spend time doing things they shouldn't. some treated good some not. What is your last name
* Cute Dresses
WRONG. not so cute, even ugly. Hair too
* Best Raw Milk (Finney Farms)
one I don't know about. Thats a drawback
* Beautiful Mountains, Canyons, Creek
ruined by overwhelming social issues and social crimes
* Close to Zions, Grand Canyon, Bryce, Valley of Fire, Tuacan
no tours of CCA or could add them to the list as oddest town in America.

ATAR_i said...

I honestly don't think it's ok to judge one person as wholesome or a whore merely by the clothes they wear.

Clearly what you wear on the outside does not disclose the content of your character. Oh, you can try to guess - the one with the spike heels, and a tank top is a skank, and the one with the bun and the long wool dress is not.

But judge not - lest you be judged. You cannot possibly know the condition of their heart by such external superficial things as clothing.

onthestreet said...

As a man thinketh, looketh, heareth, speaketh, so is he. These are all signs or direct manifestations of the inner man. If you see a messy or naked looking person, so is the mind and the heart. We become what we manifest, and manifest what we think and feel.

Lecture: But the accurate preservation of physical appearances through ... has taken on a form that represents and therefore reveals the character of the inner man.
reincarnation2002.com/newpage1.htm

The Doctrine of Essence (Appearance): The appearance shows nothing that is not in the essence, and in the essence ... The reason, which at first exists in the child only as an inner possibility...
www.marxists.org/reference/ archive/hegel/works/sl/slappear.htm
The Lord knew what he was talking about when He directed all mankind to "Cover thy nakedness", even to the point where you can hide the entire body, even as God does, and sew to the spirit.

Anonymous said...

!!!WHAT???

Anonymous said...

anon 4:06

You know, you really show your character when you bad mouth the good that people say. Why can't we reflect the good without you shooting it down? Being from the creek, I really appreciated this thread, it brought back some good memories until you reminded me of how awful it really is.

Austin.

Anonymous said...

Street,
What makes you think god wears clothes? Why would she/he? If so, what is the design; Armani perhaps? Maybe Victorian England? Is it a dress? Is it pants? Does god where a suit and tie or does god wear the simple loin cloth and robe of Jesus? Nakedness was never a sin until Genesis and Saint Augustine placed the sin of nakedness on women for the last 2000 years. I wished I had 100 employee that were as gullible as you Street. I bet I could make them work for free if I promised they would go to heaven…

Anonymous said...

mess in-the-street (following horse parade)

Why don't you improve the overall appearance of the world. You and all your sodomite friends can get in one or two cotton sacks (think about how cozy you'll be!) and jump off Boulder Dam, downstream of Lake Meade. Just think, you could provide food for some starving alligator gar and add some mineral to the Los Angeles drinking water. Two worthy projects. Plus an added value, you can make something of yourself that the profit would be so proud of. Hang WJ's picture on the outside of each sack and print under the picture: "What, Me Worry," Then scream "Go Warren" as you sail through the air. If he's a prophet he'll save you from destruction.

rcn

apple pie said...

Despite all that is happening in the Creek, everyone I have talked to or know said that they had a absolutely wonderful child hood. (I have not talked to any sexualy abuse person yet)

So if your child hood was so grand and wonderful as mine was, don't you think that it could be that way again?

Do you think that your children will feel that way about the way you are living right now?

rumor-has-it said...

So they say that every fouth generation they "Lose the Farm".

The kids are no longer interested in what the parents or grandparents dreams were and want to pursue their own...so maybe it is time for a change?

Anonymous said...

Reply to apple pie:

I am glad that neither you nor your friends with whom you have spoken have verbally expressed anything about having experienced sexual abuse.

That is so great to hear.

However, I work with many victims of sexual abuse who lived in Colorado City, Hildale and Centennial Park.

Please believe me, it has happened and it continues to happen.

You are lucky. And I am glad for that.

Anonymous said...

This is to "Anonymous" who posted 5/25/2006 4:06 PM
I have to disagree with you about Garden Gate. I am an outsider and always have been. It's true that I had a difficult time getting waited on in their old store. I even walked out once (one of the ladies came out and stared at me as I was getting into my car. I wondered if she thought I had stolen something) - but since they moved into their new store next to the old place, most of the people who work there have treated me wonderfully. Of course, they leaned towards natural healing. It's a health food store, after all. And when the town closed down, a friend of mine who lives in CC said that Garden Gate was not closed.

I don't believe that WJ is good for the people. I think he is very dangerous to their souls, but the people I have met I usually like. It is true that the only ones I have gotten to know well are the ones who have been kicked out, who have left WJ, or who live in CP.

I don't think every place on the list of good things about CC should be listed with a downside. I think, for example, that the dairy is great. I keep hearing rumors that it is closing. I hope it doesn't. I like the fact that it has raw milk and "raw milk cheese" that is uncolored. I also like the bulk food store. The people in most of the stores I go into treat me quite friendly and it is pretty obvious that I am not a "cricker."

Also, to those lurkers who are outsiders who think all of their tax money goes to the "twin towns:" Baloney! How much money is taken out for taxes that you don't get back? Also, I see a lot of people working. In the families I know, one wife often stays home with the kids while the other adults work, or the work is staggered so someone can be home with the kids. A bunch of lazy people sucking off the government welfare? I think not!
TBS

Anonymous said...

I like living here in Colorado City.

The red dirt is very unique. The land formations are interesting and become personal.

It has a feel of a small town but close to major shopping centers.

There are enough friendly faces to make living here endurable.

I think the place is salvagable.

ATAR_i said...

OTS - just because you add the ending 'eth' doesn't mean it's in the Bible.

God doesn't look at the clothing, everyone else judged Mary, but Christ said she had done more for him than any of them (when she washed his feet with her hair and the expensive oil).

She didn't come in the right package, but her heart was captured by God.

I understand that's a huge deal for FLDS or LDS, but honestly, I think it's a monumental error in judgement. Because you wear white, and are well groomed does not mean that your heart is in the right place.

MEN look on the outside - but GOD sees the heart.

Anonymous said...

atari
Here, here. You go girl!

onthestreet said...

Here, here, here also. No error in what you just said. You're right. The heart is a huge deal with the FLDS, not just the outer platter, as Christ puts it. But you say Mary didn't come in the right package. WRONG. She came in just the perfect package, or she wouldn't have been so loved.

But there is no glorifying a female to gain her favor by declaring to her: "You go girl". That's just what men say to seduce and gain the favor of the weaker, gullible sex. However, if that is what Atari lusts for, so be it. That doesn't make her the least bit like Mary, but quite the opposite. I rather think Atari is above that. Men look at the outside, but God sees the heart.

I know you all agree with this, so now you can be at peace with yourselves, and come to a knowledge of the truth.

ATAR_i said...

OTS - you assume too much.

You assume because an anonymous poster states 'you go girl'

1. that they are male
2. that it is sexual
3. that I lust for it
4. that I assume that it is sexual

You have sexualized a very asexual comment - you attempt to paint both poster (who could be female) and myself the way that YOU SEE EVERYTHING (Not Us).

I myself didn't view the comment as sexual in nature, only 'way to go, I agree with you'.

I can only imagine how you would rip to shreads "Mary" if she walking into your town, or onto this blog.

onthestreet said...

You really don't know men very well, do you, or loose women for that matter. That is typically the problem of the weaker sex. They do not know the enemy that's in their face, and before you know it they're in other places as well. I guess that's how you like it. And therein is the fall, and you love to have it so, not knowing anything Terrestrial or Celestial, but only the Telestial, here and now.

ATAR_i said...

I probably don't know men as well as you do.

I probably don't know loose women as well as you do (for that matter).

I am not weaker - I am fairer.

And, I'm perfectly aware of when you are in my face (and so I am very forwarned).

I dont use the same vernacular as you do - and so the definitions and meanings you ascribe to 'terrestrial' and 'celestial' I equate to earthly and heavenly.

So yes, I do not purport to know everything heavenly, only a small glimpse - BUT that is definately NOT because I love the things of the world more. Until I am in Heaven with the father, I know I cannot conceive of it's wonders.

mugwump said...

How wise atar_i. If I could imagine heaven, it wouldn't be heaven, but my weak mortal immagination. My God has prepared a place so perfect and so beautiful so uniquely in concert with whatever he knows my need to be why should I be concerned? I am His, Heaven is His and He will join us in perfect harmony.

There'll be no crying there, no more burdens to bear. No sickness, no pain, no more sorrow over there. And forever I will be with the one who died for me, what a day, glorious day that will be.

Anonymous said...

To: OTS
you talk in riddles. Carefull lest you be thrust to the pits of hell for knowing him not. Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial are all of him.

To: anonymous who posted on 5/26/2006 at 2:18 PM and others

My list of downsides came from my experienc living with the FLDS. It seems you are on the outside looking in. Your experiences may have been good but, Oh the bitterness of the truth. There are great things about all of those top things and there are hidden lies and underlying evils associated. It is nothing different that the Mayor lying to get trucks liscensed across the border. He just got caught. If he a hadn't it would look to everyone that they are law abiding because the trucks are listed as legal. So is my list the flip side of the coin. Pesonal wittness to those things.
I also know of a very honest and wonderful women from there that was kicked out for doing the same thing Garden Gate has done for years. The problem lies in the competion she posed, not the honesty of what she did. She was accused of practicing the occult because she helped people with natural healing. I know that if WJ got mad at Garden Gate it would not matter what they stand for they would also be accused. Its only an exuse to hurt people.

As for judging someone by their dress, no on knows the hearts of men/women by the way they dress, but they (FLDS) judge everyone not dressed like them. I just pointed out that it is ugly. I am sure some of them are pure in heart, but judging others is something I heard in almost every convesation, uless they were talking about men of esteem in the FLDS highest degree of glory.

As for women staying home to tend other mother's children, the innocent children are not treated equal and my family became back stabbing and selfish to each other. It became a dog eat dog world. Jealousy and deciet ruled the governing of other mothers children and that was not a happy childhood. There could be families where all children were treated alike, but few and far between.
As for welfare, Warren has made it so hard for anyone to make a decent living that welfare food is what keeps those innocenbt children alive, literally. How can you fault the mothers for getting everyone on welfare when it would mean the children starve if the didn't. Not having the children is not an option but a duty as and FLDS women. Feeding them is an afterthought. How sad.

To: mugwup
I use to pray for no crying,no more burdens to bear, no sickness, no pain, no more sorrow. I prayed to mortal God they made. I use to want to die because it seemed the only way out. Now it seems so radical and silly. I had a choice and did not know.

Now I reflect. Thank goodness and God I am alive!!!!
There is hope for the masses.

ATAR_i said...

Anon 1:51

Thanks for your honesty.

mugwump said...

Thank you for sharing your understanding that God is not our creation, but we are His. And He should be the focus of our worship.

All bessings came from him, come from him and will continue to come from him because of His love for us.

Faithful Woman said...

Pray not for no trials, but only to be strong enough to handle them. (And strong/wise enough to do something about it.)

Anonymous said...

It's naive to believe that we will escape trials in this life. Every day presents it's own challenge. Illness, money worry, troublemakers, children out of control, problems within a marriage, infidelity, theft, lying and so many other trials are a part of our every day lives.

Jesus reminds us "I will never leave you nor forsake you," trust in me. That trust has been my key to sanity for over five decades.

nuf sed

Anonymous said...

I dont agree,your leader is on the f.b.i.'s 10 most wanted list.How can He stay out of jail?If you are about the lord why doesnt warren jeffs turn himself in to take the pressure off of his people?

Anonymous said...

If the previous post was addressed to me, I'm not of the FLDS. Therefore, I can't answer your perfectly rational question.

nuf sed

Anonymous said...

To 1:51AM

Up late in the night, I see. I think the more honest people eventually do see the light. It was because I refused to cave in to various pressures that I finally woke up. When I was FLDS, I flately refused to take any govenment assistance because I felt it was wrong to pay contributions to the bishop and take government aid at the same time.

There are others that are still honest, and if they keep it up, they will evenutally wake up.

onthestreet said...

HERE'S WHY (Rev. 11):

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But THE COURT which is without the temple LEAVE OUT, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

onthestreet said...

That was in answer to this:

Anonymous said (5/30/2006 6:28 PM):
I dont agree, your leader is on the f.b.i.'s 10 most wanted list. How can He stay out of jail? If you are about the lord why doesnt warren jeffs turn himself in to take the pressure off of his people?

That is why, because he is about the Lord.

mugwump said...

What the title of Revelation?

So, to whom was the angel speaking?

John on Patmos - Right.

Isn't measuring the Temple also addressed in Ezekiel and Zechariah?

Isn't forty-two months 1260 days also mentioned in Daniel?

How did Ezekiel, Zechariah and Daniel receive their message?

Who were the 144,000 or 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel?

Who cried from under the altar?

Who is labeled in Rev. Chapt. 13?

Who is present at the Great White Throne Judgement?

Is Warren Jeffs the PRESIDING JUDGE? If not, how does he escape judgement?

You have admitted, ots, to having been present when the five year old boy was reportedly sodomized by Warren Jeffs. What did YOU to prevent the crime? HOW WILL YOU ESCAPE THE JUDGEMENT? WJ is charged with a crime of submission you have admitted to a crime of omission.

ATAR_i said...

The equation of that scripture as a comeback for anon's question must be another 2+2=5.

onthestreet said...

No crime. That's the point. Yes, the Prophet in each generation will judge that generation, as the scripture says.

onthestreet said...

Atar: As I noted, it was in reply to 6:28PM, regarding why he doesn't submit to the courts, see? And my reply of 12:49 is in reply to the last paragraph of 8:56.

onthestreet said...

MUGWIMP: Speaking of which (8:56): Yes, Daniel, Ezekiel, and John all prophecied of this day. As your Mormon Prophet said: "All the prophets looked forward to this day, see?

Who? Who? Who? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. The answer is blowing in the wind, and the BOOM. Hurricane season.

It is the INNOCENT who are identified in all your questions.

ATAR_i said...

No - I don't see.

That scripture has nothing to do with the courts - it has to do with a prophecy about Ezekiels dream.

mugwump said...

soddy swamp

In you previous post you quoted me as having said, " As your Mormon prophet said," "All prophets are looking forward to this day, see" is a mis-quote. I didn't say anything of the sort. I don't acknowledge that ANY Mormon is a prophet so, why would I quote one of them as having any authority.

You're as a leaf, removed from the plant that gave it life. You are dead and haven't realized it yet. You are just afloat on any breeze that comes your way. Blown to and frow by winds of change and justice that you cannot accept.

Your postings are becoming more delusional, and less comprehensible. You take no subject matter through to a logical or scriptual conclusion. You ramble, chose a verse here, a proclamation there, an announcement over there. These are the utterances of a mad man. A self admitted sodomist. Being one of God's creations I can desire for your conversion, but being a man I lothe the depravity you practice.

onthestreet said...

MUD (or do you prefer SWAMP):
Read it again, child. Here, I will cut and paste, so everyone can see if I truthfully quoted you at all, in that regard, and then see for themselves your desperate lying. Here it is again:

onthestreet said...
MUGWIMP: Speaking of which (8:56): Yes, Daniel, Ezekiel, and John all prophecied of this day. As your Mormon Prophet said: "All the prophets looked forward to this day, see?
5/31/2006 12:57 AM

Now, do you see me "quoting you" at all? It says: "Street said", not SWAMP. You really like to muddy the waters, don't you, so true to your name, you little SWAMP.

Furthermore, I truthfully quoted what YOUR Mormon Prophet had said, the same way that you might say "YOUR" president Dubbya said sos and so, even thought he doesn't preside over me at all, see. He is the president of a fallen nation in which I reside, granted, but modern Israel in the diaspora is "God's Holy Nation", gathered in Texas. That is our belief. Yet, you could still say Dubbya is MY national president, according to YOUR belief, the same way that Joseph is YOUR Mormon Prophet, according to MY belief, since he presides over the thousand-year dispensation in which you lived, see?

How's that for being more comprehensible and a logical and scriptural conclusion? Eventually, it will assist in your conversion, and you being a man, most women loathe your sodomy and your depravity, for such things have nothing to do with the FLDS faith, nor with the refined sensibilities of all women everywhere.

Now, MUGRUMP, get over it.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said... No - I don't see.
That scripture has nothing to do with the courts - it has to do with a prophecy about Ezekiels dream. 5/31/2006 7:44 AM

STREET'S Reply: Confused again, Tarry? That's what happens when tar gets hard and cold. Muddy's the one who brought up those prophets (5/30/2006 8:56 PM). I referred to Rev. 11:2: "BUT THE COURT, LEAVE OUT (5/30/2006 8:18 PM).

See, it has EVERYTHING to do with the courts. Peek-A-Boo. Are your eyes open? Do you see it?

ATAR_i said...

quorum sententias enarrare, meum non est

onthestreet said...

You say the same what? Oh, you agree. That's fine. It's about stinking time.

ATAR_i said...

Actually - I think you need to brush up - it states I do not agree.

mugwump said...

ots (Soddy-bottom)

There are specific answers to each question I asked. You have demonstrated your real ignorance of God's word by attempting to do the two-step, tango and waltz simultaniously. Therefore, you have become so entangled you can't help but confirm that you are unable to answer the most simple of Biblical questions.

I think that I shall start refering to you as "soddy bottom." This little nickname seems to suit your personality and perfidy perfectly.

atar_i: I think ots' light just went out. Jeffs' final betrayal of this, his most radical supporter,
Joseph Goebbels aka ots "Soddy-Bottom", just murdered his family. To h___ with them all because his leader told him everyone but self is to be considered disposable. What Jeffs DIDN'T tell HIM is that tommorow HE IS the one who's disposable.

It's pathetic how the Jeffs lemings continue to suffer, but keep rushing toward the incoming tide.

onthestreet said...

Christ is the incoming tide. Yes, we rush toward Him. Yes, the devils rage to see such loyalty, and call it "pathetic. The Prophet never betrayed me, or anyone else.

As for answers to specific questions, your hot and destructive ego will not allow you to obtain anything but what you already have. You have your reward already, which Jesus said to the proud Jews who just KNEW they had gained heaven, and that Jesus was a devil. See, you just know you have gained heaven, and that his anointed is a devil.

The whole world thinks they're right, and how does the Lord describe their condition of KNOWING they are right? (Rev. 12:9)

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, WHICH DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD".

See, the whole world KNOWS they are right, but they are just RIGHTLY DECEIVED, saith the Lord.

mugwump said...

Soddy-Bottom

And none are more deceived than those whom would worship and create their own god, take his mark, join with him and the FALSE PROPHET, in being cast into Hell with the great dragon, the devil.

But, the devil, beast and FALSE PROPHET have been pre-judged. Those who followed them still must stand in judgement before the White Throne and give an accounting of their "works". They are JUDGED BY THEIR WORKS, not because of their good works.

If their name is not found in the Lamb's Book of Life, they follow the infamous ones previously cast into the lake of fire. NO ONE in the Great White Throne Judgement has their name written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

onthestreet said...

Comin atcha.

mugwump said...

I can hardly wait......

Americans revolted against the rule of George III, the French revolted against the rule of Louis VIV. These royal heads of state applied methods of rule that were despotic with selfishness splendor being at the root of their power. These Kings placed or their own enjoyment as the chief motivating force behind their "absolute monarchys." How does WJ's absolute monarchy over FLDS differ? Where does freedom ring?

onthestreet said...

Louis VIV never existed. Try again, and the mud on your rump will become more clear, and perhaps a little Les smelly.

Nor is "Selfishness splendor" correct.

Nor is "placed or their own enjoyment" correct, as we have all just witnessed.

Nor is "monarchys" correct.

Mudrump, freedom will ring for you when your rump is clear of mud, for as it stands, all can plainly see that nothing you say is correct.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous who replied to my post on 5/26/2006 at 2:18 PM
Thank you for your input. I understand better now - and I have been told stories about pretending to be happy, as well as contention among different "families." I guess, though there may be some good things, the bad experiences can easily outweigh the good.
tbs

Anonymous said...

The bad does outwiegh the good because it involves innocent children being raised to believe they have no choice. Polygamy is not he real problem. If the families did not have an image to keep up to in the communitiy and they lived for what they thought God wanted instead of Warren, then maybe polygamy would not be so hard. All the rules make it imposible. Yes there are many families that dare not show how miserable they really are or be shamed. So many think they have to stick it out for God. It is very hard to be yourself and live under the FLDS fist Sure feels good to be out of it.
whew, that was hard to accomplish and is an ongoing learning curve.

ATAR_i said...

It's always difficult to see peoples world in a girdle, making decisions for their lives based on a false view of the world.

So, by God's grace many of the families you mention have no hideous problems, and enjoy parts of their life.

I watched my niece (after I left) make decision after decision to deny herself the things that she loved, wholesome good things, but she denied herself on a misguided sense of spirituality. She was happy, but she never really flew.

Unfortunately there was no time, she died. Her life was never her own, and it's a really hard thing to watch.

I just wish she could have had more, allowed herself some of the joys she could have had in her short life.

Had she grown up, my hope is that she would have been able to spread her wings, she might not have, and her small little world would have been what she had. She might have been happy, but I know someone like that could have so much more.

When you wake up, and you have nothing, no education, no other support system, nothing other than that little unhealthy place - that little unhealthy place looks mighty appealing.

mugwump said...

re. 6/6/ 4:51

Should be Louis XIV. There was one of these!

So was there a George III!

Neither lost his life because of the revolutions but, Louis XVI did. Ever hear "Off with his head?" Ever read "A Tale of Two Cities?"

Both monarchs displayed some of the repugnant behavior of WJ. Both believed that they were God.

The British Monarchy lost creditability and eventually a colonial empire. The French, however, learned to wave a surrender flag, again.

onthestreet said...

They're not the only ones who lost CREDIBILITY (look at your spelling, my child). Now learn wisdom, how to wave that surrender flag, LES ye remain repugnant.

mugwump said...

??????????

Can anyone with a clear mind interpret?

onthestreet said...

STREET’s Reply: Sure, I would oblige my little brother. I know you are plagued with much muggyness. See, on 6/17/2006 7:34 PM, YOU SAID: “The British lost creditability…and the French waved a surrender flag. See, even while discussing credibility, you misspelled that very word, and lost credibility YOURSELF. Then, even after I pointed your spelling out to you, still you had ????????? a muggy mind, and you publicly and openly PLEADED for a clear mind, and for some small person to come and interpret for you. IE: YOU SURRENDERED, LES (or lest) ye remain repugnant. See?

Understand, my child?

Anonymous said...

Checkmate, OTS.
How many games are you going to lose before you wise up and play the game right? Rules to winning: One - never let anyone know you are upset.
Two - never be phony, like pretend to be nice or kiss up.
Three - Use courtesy at all times.
Four - Use scriptures and arguments that are logical.
Profanity and insults show an unintelligent mind. You say it because you are not smart enough to think of anything more intelligent ("you" meaning people in general).

If you use contention or let contention use you, you have lost the game. In spite of what you have said in some of your posts, God is not a person who delights in profanity and attack. He is just and kind and loves all of us. You are not showing Him as he really is when you tell people that he is on your level of profanity and anger. Guess what? God loves the "gentile," the "Jew" and the FLDS. He will answer sincere prayers from all of his children - but only if they are willing to hear His voice. If we are so caught up on our soap box or podium that we cannot or are afraid to hear what He is saying to us, we cannot hear what He wants us to know. I feel for you, OTS. You are so full of contention and anger and fear that I am so glad I don't live in your skin.

mugwump said...

no........in your sentence structure you demonstrate the inability to have a coherant thought. therefore, your written transcriptions are not decipherable. Go back and take eighth grade English. Oh, I forgot, you are a product of Alta Academy, a witness to activity in the restroom. Your thought patterns are headed in a different direction. You followed an entirely different curriculum there than in most schools. Your key subjects were submission and servility. I'm sure you made all A+'s, you are so easily impressionable.