Friday, August 05, 2005

What's with the UEP trustees?

Please post any info on the courts decision on Thursday here!

106 comments:

Anonymous said...

Try This.
http://www.thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050805/NEWS01/508050308/1002

Anonymous said...

Judgement day comes upon all, especially those now seeking power or position, they must face their own past. The day of reckoning draws near!

Avenging Angel

Anonymous said...

Tell us more, Avenging Angel.

And who would you propose as trustees?

fttc said...

Warren should just have one of his cronies nominate him, the bishop, and several of his bodygaurd. Then he could keep control by intimidating all the other trustees.

Anonymous said...

Any bets an whether the next date will get moved back also?

Warren even has the courts scared of offending him. Amazing!

Anonymous said...

If I had my druthers, Dan Fischer to start with!

Avenging Angel

Anonymous said...

#2 Ward Jeffs.

Avenging Angel!

Anonymous said...

#3 Uncle Benny Bistline.

A.A.

Anonymous said...

#4 Don Cox

A.A.

Anonymous said...

#5 Jethrow Barlow

A.A.

Anonymous said...

#6 Deloy Bateman

AA

Anonymous said...

Surprisingly enough #7 Sam Barlow, with added comments for this later.

Avenging Angel

Anonymous said...

The truth comes out. Wisen is a carpetbagger. $205 an hour? Maybe I shold volunteer myself.

onthestreet said...

At this point, it doesn't matter. The devil is in all the details.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The truth comes out. Wisen is a carpetbagger. $205 an hour? Maybe I should volunteer myself.

Yep, trade scare tactics of Warren, to the government caretaker! Getting robbed front and back pockets!
All those other recommendations of Avenging Angel are excellent choices, but Sam the Jawbone? Can't wait to hear the reasoning!

Onewaystreet

Anonymous said...

Du, anyody that knows any-thing about Sam would know the reasoning!

Anonymous said...

I know a lot but I don't know why Avenging Angel would nominate Sam Barlow. Tell me more, please.

Anonymous said...

Onewaystreet:
You seem to think it unfair that the UEP is paying him to oversee the trust. If the UEP shouldn't have to pay him, who do you think should?

onthestreet said...

Nay, not unfair at all. Give it all to him, or to the Public Treasury, or portion thereof to dissidents as may seem fair.

Like I said, it is a denuded UEP, and nothing but a spec of dust. If God won't even set foot on this planet, but hovers over it when he makes an appearance, why should we feel overly concerned about something that no longer has God's blessing, having only a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof?

Now, granted, there may still be some there who will be gathered, whether in life or in death. What does it matter?

Anonymous said...

Onthestreet:

My question was directed to Onewaystreet, but thanks for your comments.

If I take your response literally, it sounds as though you think life is hopeless and that world destruction is imminent. Do you feel that way today?

Aren't you or someone in your family a beneficiary of the trust? Don't you want to ensure that you and your children will have a future interest for the work you've likely put into the UEP?

After all, the End may be further away than you think.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Onewaystreet:
You seem to think it unfair that the UEP is paying him to oversee the trust. If the UEP shouldn't have to pay him, who do you think should? 8/06/2005 12:54 PM


Onewaystreet answers:
I read where Mr. Wisen and other lawyers were going to be paid through the proceeds of selling UEP land, also the property taxes on most of the UEP property are due and needed to be paided. BUT... Where was Mr. Wisen when the UEP was being looted...... potato barn equipment, Kelly Fischer, Orsen Black and Alvin Barlow, and a host of others playing musical homes. Who is giving permission for all those wall fences going up around certain UEP homes. SAM BARLOW, WILLY JESSOP... Mr. Wisen? Never mind me, I am just fed up! I think it would be wise Mr. Wisen could have some trustees to consult with on his decisions NOW. Save some on the time clock. It is going to be hard on everyone involved. I just see bilking the UEP hour upon hour and nothing gets accomplished! Everyone in this thing related to the FLDS has an agenda, apostates and Warrenites, and lawyers and law or the lack of law.

I just have to remember the WHEELS OF JUSTICE GRIND SLOW! BUT GRIND THEY DO.

Ok Streetie twist this! Love Ya!

onthestreet said...

Little foxes in the hen-house, and who eats the foxes.

Anonymous said...

Hi Onewaystreet:

Now I understand where you are coming from and I am better able understand your frustration. I'd like to know why Mr. Wisen has been "sitting on his hands" while homes in short creek are being altered, buildings removed, families relocated, etc. Do you have any theories, other than he just wants to bill hours without doing the work?

It would be interesting to know what violations he has been informed about, and which ones have been reported to the court.

quiet canadian said...

Why is it the Judge is so insistant that FLDS members loyal to Warren should apply as trustees of the UEP? I think the new trustees should be those who are still loyal to the teachings of Uncle John Y Barlow and Joseph White Musser, and LeRoy Sunderland Johnson. It should be taken back to it's original format, and governed by all the new trustees not just by one senior member.

The new trustees should have a testimony of Joseph Smith and of Btigham Young and John Taylor and should honor these men for their valliant effort to build up communities for the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The United Effort Plan was designed as a way to build up communities for the members to live, and to educate our children, and to be self sufficient in producing our own food, our own employment, and recreation. For the seniors to be taken care of, to be housed, to be fed, and to receive the medical care they need.

This is what we had, in the communities of Colorado City, Salt Lake City, Montevue Idaho, and Bountiful British Columbia. Thousands of people paid their tithes and contributions of cash and labour to help to make it all work. We were happy to do so when we could see progress happening.

We want it back, as it was before. We want to gather in our annual April conference in the LSJ meeting house. We want to travel to meet and socialize and entertain as we did in our Octoberfest. We want the medical clinic, the zoo, the storehouse and every dream of Uncle Fred to be restored. We want to honor our friends and relitives who pass on by being allowed to attend the funeral and memorial services. Most of all we want Christ allowed back into our lives and our communities.

I believe this can all be a reality if we have Trustees who are devoted to the cause for building up the people as a whole.

fttc said...

Quiet

I have the same question about the judge trying to get some FLDS to volunteer when they have demonstrated they have no desire.

As far as getting our UEP back. You paint a pretty picture and make it very desireable. The reality is we will not get it back. As a people we had a chance to recieve great blessing under its umbrella. We threw it away. For years warren has been teaching false doctrine from the pulpit. Some of the other big elders were before him. You and I and many others did nothing. The Lord was watching us and he took away our blessing because we did not defend the truths we had.

I spoke with one our older members several years ago. He had a large amount of property and not entered any of it in the UEP. He told me that when he asked Uncle Roy about turning it in he was told not to. Uncle Roy told him in 1979 he did not know but what the Lord would allow it to be broken up. So this man did not turn in his property.

When Uncle Rulon became the head he was told this and asked about the property. Again the man was counseled to leave it out of the UEP for the same reason coming from Uncle Rulon.

Anonymous said...

I agree with On the Street, Now there are different Foxes, like Mr. Wisen. We need some trustees that we can talk to.

Anonymous said...

If Bruce Wisen is charging $205 per hour to protect the beneficiaries by identifying all assets belonging to the UEP trust and save the UEP from being totally looted, then you're getting a bargin.

Just think back over the past couple of decades when the UEP was forking out $400 per hour to Rodney Parker and Scott Berry to pay for the spiteful and frivilous lawsuits trying to evict people from their homes. Those numeous and long running lawsuits cost the UEP and future beneficiaries TONS of money.

Mr. Wisen is trying to salvage a system gone bad. He is charging half the amount per hour that was spent in the past to only lose each and every hateful case that the UEP brought against the "dissadents" That money was totally wasted to pay the UEP lawyers to fight a losing battle. Money just going down the toilet.

And as far as the comment about "where was Mr. Wisen when the looting of the potato barn, Kelly Fischer, etc was going on". Just think about it - he's up in Salt Lake City and his job is to act as a fiduciary not as a law enforcement officer.

Why don't you ask instead "where were the law enforcement officials of Washington County when this looting was going on."

Washington County Sheriffs Department should have been protecting this property. That is their job but they didn't do it. It would not have cost the UEP one dime - this protection of UEP assets vanishing because of lack of action by the local Colorado City law enforcement would have been paid for out of tax dollars instead of UEP dollars - IF THE WASHINGTON COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE HAD BOTHERED To ENFORCE the Courts restraining order.

Why dont' you ask sheriff Smith why nothing was done.

onthestreet said...

Ummm, Innocent?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 12:28:

I agree wholeheartedly with what you are saying and I would think that Mr. Wisen reported some of the violations to the Court.

Does anyone know whether the violations were addressed, or even acknowledged at the court hearing last week?

Anonymous said...

The Law of Consecration....

can only work when overseen by Prophets and the Priesthood.

Otherwise it's just communism.

Give it up.

Anonymous said...

We have a Prophet in Zion. We need not your worldly Idea's. Wisen or any other: can not take what is not there's. Nor, can any greedy selfish soul. We have a Prophet in Zion. And all the Lies of other's will not change this.... We have a Prophet in Zion. Who then will be part of Zion? The choice is yours. As your faith is so shall it be.

Anonymous said...

I'm afraid you prophet is the antichrist.

Anonymous said...

So......The Prophet is in Zion?
I know several folks around the ranch in Texas who would love to collect on the bounty!

As for greedy selfish soul. Great description for Mr. Jeffs.

onthestreet said...

I God am a Jealous God (is that greedy, or what)?

ATAR_i said...

Wow, calling God greedy - well I guess you've said about everything else - why not that.

We'll just call your made up brand of theology....streetology.

fttc said...

Isn't it more like warrenology by street? Nah, streetology is more accurate. Street's teachings are not even compatible with warren's.

Anonymous said...

Reply to
By Anonymous, at 8/08/2005 5:33 PM

We have a Prophet in Zion. We need not your worldly Idea's. Wisen or any other: can not take what is not there's. Nor, can any greedy selfish soul. We have a Prophet in Zion. And all the Lies of other's will not change this.... We have a Prophet in Zion. Who then will be part of Zion? The choice is yours. As your faith is so shall it be.

Nobody is trying to take what is not theirs. Mr. Wisen and the court in Utah are trying to PRESERVE WHAT IS YOUR'S. Think about it for a minute and you just might understand what has been happening.

No one is trying to steal anything from the good faithful beneficiaries of the UEP - EXCEPT WARREN JEFFS.

Warren Jeffs has stolen from the faithful followers for many years now and he continues to do so. He steals their homes; he steals their families; he steals their dignity. In order to protect the innocent believers and let them keep their families, homes and businesses, it was necessary for someone to intervene and stop the looting of the UEP by Warren and his thugs.

When all of this is sorted out, the beneficiaries of the UEP will get back what they put in - otherwise, without someone of integrity stepping in, Warren would bleed the UEP dry and leave most everyone high and dry.

Who would want that? People like Mr. Wisen are coming to your rescue. Wake up and realize this. Mr. Wisen and the courts don't want what belongs to you. They want to help you hold on to what belongs to you. People in America care about justice and having a lot of good, honest, hardworking innocent people cheated out of their United Order inheritance just is not right.

You should be thanking men like Mr. Wisen. They care about you. They care about justice. They care about what is right. They are on your side because you are being cheated by Warren Jeffs.

Sometime down the road you will hopefully realize that people came to the rescue of the members of the UEP for no other reason than the fact that these people needed help to stop a maniac from destroying what they and many of their ancestors and family members worked so hard to build up.

The ones helping the UEP members have no ulterior motive. They just care about helping out people who are being fooled by a prophet who no longer cares about his flock.

They are helping out because they care. They won't see any other reward for doing this except knowing that it was the RIGHT THING TO DO.

furnace said...

I would be interested in the original text of the UEP and those who signed it. Perhaps someone who is a little more skilled at using google can find a link for me.

Anonymous said...

I just don't get the part where they are going to sell the UEP land to pay for lawyers. That accomplished the same thing Warren Jeffs is doing, destroy the UEP. I say DON't SELL THE LAND. If we were in charge, we would never do it.

Anonymous said...

furnace: the entire original trust as drawn up in nov 9, 1942 can be found in Ben Bistlines book "THE POLYGAMISTS: A HISTORY OF COLORADO CITY ARIZONA" pages 48-55

onthestreet said...

Anonymous Said:
As for greedy selfish soul. Great description for Mr. Jeffs.
8/08/2005 8:12 PM

onthestreet said, in reply to Anonymous calling Mr. Jeffs "greedy and selfish" for looking after the flock:
I God am a Jealous God (is that greedy, or what)? 8/08/2005 8:43pm

ATAR Then Said ERRONEOUSLY:
Wow, calling God greedy - well I guess you've said about everything else - why not that.

STREET Reply: Calling God jealous for the flock, while you continue to scrape and scrounge for crumbs, not even from the Master's table, being LOCKED OUT of the Wedding Feast.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
I just don't get the part where they are going to sell the UEP land to pay for lawyers. That accomplished the same thing Warren Jeffs is doing, destroy the UEP. I say DON't SELL THE LAND. If we were in charge, we would never do it. 8/09/2005 10:00 AM

IT SHALL BEGIN AT THE HOUSE OF GOD

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I just don't get the part where they are going to sell the UEP land to pay for lawyers.

Anon, I think they are talking about selling land to come up with all of the money necessary to pay the property taxes for the UEP that is due this fall. I don't think they are saying the money is to pay lawyers. If the citizens can come up with this tax money, then they shouldn't have to sell any of the land to pay the taxes.

Or, better yet, maybe someone can find the UEP checkbook.

Anonymous said...

The UEP has no check book or checking account and property taxes can be paid late, I think up to five years. Which should give them time to iron things out. All they would have to do is not pay the taxes and the state of Utah and Arizona not give money for school or police or fire dept and maybe then they would wake up (maybe) But most likely they would just pay taxes like they have every other year. This is no different.

Anonymous said...

The UEP has never sold any land in my lifetime until Warren Jeffs came along. I don't see any reason to start now.

onthestreet said...

Yes, the Work of the Lord advances. It is NOT stagnant.
Truth is reason, Truth eternal.
"Sell what thou hast, and follow me," saith the Lord.

mugwump said...

Thy truth is treason, and thou wouldn't recognize it (truth) if it bit thee on the posterior.

Bet your boots that a court order can sell the whole banana in one nano-second. The only hope your people have is to encourage appointment of a neutral board, non FLDS persons, with right to investigate, and with input and advise from two or three FLDS members who have NEVER before been in the leadership. Your leaders are thieves. Read the Arizona newspapers regarding the discoveries made during the investigation of your school and its administration.

onthestreet said...

Read your newspapers regarding the alledged discoveries and outright inventions made during the mock investigations of tit-for-tat and single-sided but bold-faced deception.

"AND THE DRAGON WILL DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD."

Dragons in the Bible
The Bible states that the dragon will deceive the whole world through miracles
and smooth words. "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the ...
www.jesus-is-savior.com

The Great Dragon of the twelveth chapter of Revelation. He deceived
the whole world. No snake, no beast, can deceive us. ...
www.muhammadspeaks.com/Dragon.html


WHY DRAGONS? (Part One) By Dr. Michael E. Todd ... The Bible states that the dragon will deceive the whole world through miracles and smooth words. ...
www.1timothy4-13.com/files/prophecy
/whydragons.html

endgame1
"Satan has long been preparing for his final effort to deceive the world. ...The Bible calls this trio, the dragon, the beast and the false prophet. ...
www.burnoutsolutions.com.au/endgame1.htm

ATAR_i said...

Are you the dragon - you spew enough junk out of your mouth.

OTS the wiccan dragon <----do you live by the sea?

Anonymous said...

well we know who the false prophet is, and I agree with atar that OTS could definitely be the dragon. Now we got to figure out who the beast is and MAYBE, just maybe, OTS will have made some sense in one of his posts.
NAME

mugwump said...

I think you dragged the dragon in with you. Don't you know about the "dragon check in" booth at the door.

No dragons allowed. they have the "mark" of Cain.

onthestreet said...

You all obviously don't know your scriptures. Do you care?

The Dragon, the Beast, and the False Prophets, have all been plainly identified.

The Dragon is Lucifer. The Beast is the empire in each generation of time. The false prophet is all who pose as prophets but are not as strict and unyielding against sin as Christ, Warren, and true prophets have been, and who reject what comes from God. "That moment. . . the Devil takes power.

Ain't the scripture wonderful? It is our nourishment day and night. Isn't Jesus wonderful? He is our Redeemer.

onthestreet said...

Even you people are wonderful. After all, you ARE children of God, albeit a little dirty. And you all allow for the development of the truth, albeit from your back side.

ATAR_i said...

OTS - do you frolick in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee?

Anonymous said...

Is that where he gets all this stuff and nonsense?

onthestreet said...

Aren't you referring to PUFF?

onthestreet said...

"Puff (The Magic Dragon)"

Yeah...
Puff, the magic dragon,
Lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist
In a land called Honah Lee.
Little Jackie Paper
Loved that rascal Puff,
And brought him strings and sealing wax
And other fancy stuff.
Puff, the magic dragon
Lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist
In a land called Honah Lee. Oh!
Puff, the magic dragon
Lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist
In a land called Honah Lee.
Together they would travel
On a boat with billowed sail.
Jackie kept a lookout perched
On Puff's gigantic tail.
Noble kings and princes
Would bow whenever they came,
Pirate ships would lower their flags
When Puff roared out his name. Oh!
Puff, the magic dragon
Lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist
In a land called Honah Lee. Oh!
Puff, the magic dragon
Lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist
In a land called Honah Lee.
A dragon lives forever,
But not little girls and boys.
Painted wings and giant rings
Make way for other toys.
One grey night it happened,
Jackie Paper came no more
And Puff that mighty dragon,
He ceased his fearless roar.
His head now bent in sorrow,
Green scales fell like rain,
And Puff no longer went to play
Along that cheery lane.
Without his life-long friend,
He could not be brave,
So Puff that mighty dragon
Sadly slipped into his cave.
Puff, the magic dragon
Lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist
In a land called Honah Lee. Oh!
Puff, the magic dragon
Lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist
In a land called Honah Lee
No...oh...Do you ever think about me anymore...no...yeah...say oh...

onthestreet said...

BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS?

The Dragon is Satan, "the rascal"

Puff is what he inspired in people everywhere to oppose God.

The sea is the Yes-od of our being.

Honah Lee is Tailand, and land of great sexual perversions.

The frolicking in the autumn mist is the private fantasies of a dying season or person.

I could cover it all, but there's no need.

ATAR_i said...

Interesting - the author of the song - who wrote it while attending college at Cornell stated it is a simple, sentimental song about the loss of childhood and nothing more.

But of course - you - who didn't know him, would know better about why he wrote it right? NOT

So, again - you're flipping, flopping, gyrating and struggling to make all sorts of things try and fit into your ideas - and they just don't.

mugwump said...

ots

I do know about the dragon, the beast, the false prophet, the rapture of the church, the seperation of sheep & goats, the marriage supper of the Lamb, the great white throne judgement.

I also know about the four living creatures that surround the Throne of God; about the statue with head of gold, breast & arms of silver, belly & thighs of brass, legs of iron, and feet of iron & clay; the four beasts, the ten horns, the little horn, the sixty nine weeks. Yes I am aware of all of these. I wait anxiously for the rapture. God is in control. The world is an evil place. There will be wars & rumors of wars, nation will rise against nations, kings & kingdoms will come & fall. Do I know when? Only God knows. My job is to be ready to travel.

Anonymous said...

Good, Day Wisen Streetie,

Wow! What an interpreter you have become.

Tell, me what is the meaning to last verse of "American Pie, by Don McLean.


Onewaystreet

mugwump said...

To correct a possible misunderstanding: Daniel mentions 70 weeks of judgement. My study indicates that the first 69 weeks have elapsed. The last week is designated for the end times. I could interpret in great detail but won't because very few individuals would begin to understand. That's not taking away from their ability to learn or undrstand, it's simply stating that this study is very complicated and cannot be grasped without extensive cross-referencing. I am but a novice. That these events will occur, or have occurred is in the hands of God.

ATAR_i said...

One Way - nice one!

onthestreet said...

Tar Said (9:21 AM): Interesting - the author of the song - who wrote it while attending college at Cornell stated it is a simple, sentimental song about the loss of childhood and nothing more.

CURIOUS Reply: EXACTLY!!! See? How correct you can be: Childhood is innocence. The loss of it is the Puff and the Frolicking. The author really did have a moral lesson to give, but only to those who receive it.

onthestreet said...

Wow! What an interpreter you have become. Tell, me what is the meaning to last verse of "American Pie, by Don McLean.
Onewaystreet 8/13/2005 11:45 AM

CURIOUS Reply: Initially inspired by his memories of the death of Buddy Holly in 1959, ‘American Pie’ is autobiographical and presents an abstract story of Don McLean’s life from the mid 1950s until when he wrote the song in the late 1960s. It is almost entirely SYMBOLIZED BY THE EVOLUTION of popular music over these years and REPRESENTS A CHANGE FROM THE LIGHTNESS of the 50's TO THE DARKNESS of the late 1960s. This is also very symbolic of CHANGING AMERICA during this era. Thus the FLDS Prophets sing the Lamentation of ancient Israel.
http://wilstar.com/midi/americanpie-print.htm, and my ALL CAPS to add to my interpretations.

A long, long time ago I can still remember how that music used to make me smile. And I knew if I had my chance That I could make those people dance. And maybe they'd BE HAPPY FOR AWHILE.

But February made me shiver
With every paper I delivered,
Bad news on the door step,
I couldn't take one more step,

I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride. But something touched me deep inside, THE DAY THE MUSIC DIED.
So...

Refrain:
BYE, BYE MISS AMERICAN PIE,
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry. Them good ol' boys were drinkin' whiskey 'n' rye
Singin this will be the day that I die.This will be the day that I die.

Did you write the book of love.
AND DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN GOD ABOVE? If the bible tells you so.
And do you believe in rock 'n' roll? Can music save your mortal soul? And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

WELL, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN LOVE WITH HIM. Cuz I saw you dancin' in the gym. You both kicked off your shoes. And I dig those rhythm and blues.

I was a lonely teenage bronkin' buck, With a pink carnation and a pick up truck. But I knew I was out of luck,THE DAY THE MUSIC DIED.
I started singin...

Refrain
Now for ten years we've been on our own.And moss grows fat on a rollin stone. But that's not how it used to be, When the jester sang for the king and queen, In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
And a voice that came from you and me.

Oh and while the king was looking down, The jester stole his thorny crown. The courtroom was adjourned; No verdict was returned.

And while Lennon read a book on Marx, The quartet practiced in the park, And we sang dirges in the dark, THE DAY THE MUSIC DIED.
We were singin'...

Refrain
HELTER SKELTER IN A SUMMER SWELTER
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter,Eight miles high and fallin' fast. It landed foul on the grass. The players tried for a forward pass, With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume, While the sergeants played a marching tune. We all got up to dance. OH, BUT WE NEVER GOT THE CHANCE.

As the players tried to take the field, The marching band refused to yield. DO YOU RECALL WHAT WAS REVEALED! the day, the music, died? We started singin'...

Refrain
Oh and there we were all in one place, A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. Jack Flash sat on a candle stick, Because fire is the devils only friend.

Oh and as I watched him on the stage, My hands were clinched in fists of rage, NO ANGEL born in hell. Could break that Satan's spell.

And as the flames climbed high into the night, To light the sacrificial rite, I saw SATAN LAUGHING WITH DELIGHT, The day, the music, died. He was singin'...

Refrain
I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news. BUT SHE JUST SMILED AND TURNED AWAY. I went down to the sacred store, Where I'd heard the music years before. But the man there said the music wouldn't play.

And in the streets the children screamed, The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed. But NOT A WORD was spoken, The church bells all were broken.

And the three men I admire most,
THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST, They caught the last train for the coast, The day, the music, died. And they were singin'...

onthestreet said...

Ahh yes, the last verse:

The religious in America, those who are left with any belief remaining in God and His Word, still claim to "ADMIRE MOST," the governing personell of this earth.
"But I will declare unto them: Depart ye cursed, I never knew you.

The coastlands of the earth represent the chosen seed, the waters of our being. The earth is the Kingdom, "But my Kingdom is NOT of this earth."

The last train is this last Gospel dispensation that was available to the people, before the point of no return. When the nation as a whole has sinned the sin unto death, what is left?

mugwump said...

additional cow pies.

ATAR_i said...

Atar steps gracefully over OTS's drek, Wow, what a mishugena.

Anonymous said...

bad bad OTS boy, Uncle Warren says not to listen to worldly music.

mugwump said...

Warren has said a lot of things. That doesn't make him equivilent with God. Thank you for your addition,

onthestreet said...

The servant is not equivalent to his master, but a son is God with us.

mugwump said...

Is God's only begotten Son, Jesus the Christ Your Master?

If you can't answer this one correctly, no other question matters.

onthestreet said...

"Correctly" in whose view?

ATAR_i said...

OTS dodges, ducks, and rolls avoiding another probative question.

Oops - you rolled in your own drek (oink).

onthestreet said...

Accepting and rolling in any view, I'd say, it drek and oinky, yes?

Probably 90% of Americans would accept that as FACT. Howboutchall?

ATAR_i said...

Yes, it's gross that you roll in your own feces - I agree.

onthestreet said...

Atarbucket of what? Wash her clean, and she wallers still. However, it is very accurate of you to equate "just any view" as feces.

Now, clean it out if you can. You might need a jack-hammer, if your stuff is really caked on, but then no doubt you love to have your cake and eat it too. I just hope you've got a good tooth-brush, but you may need the jack-happer for that too.

The Saints will wear fine-linen, and partake of fine-dining at the Wedding Feast, "but few there be that find it." "The dogs will eat the crumbs from the Master's table," but all others will be locked out of the Wedding Feast entirely.

onthestreet said...

See now if you can find a definition for "Jack-Happer".

ATAR_i said...

I think I'll pass on your wild goose chase for "jack-happer", and I'm not going to play "God loves me better" with you either - I think it's childish.

I don't call others alternate beliefs feces. The other FLDS on the board I find very interesting - their beliefs as well.

Yours aren't beliefs, they aren't views strongly held based on your scriptures. Yours are made up, childish, wildly innacurate (even according to your own scriptures), and freakishly nonsensical. It's clear your a schizophrenic, and thus to be pitied, but when you masacre your scripture and mine so - it's just a nasty pile of feces.

onthestreet said...

The "builders" are still rejecting the corner stone and in many churches the walls.

ATAR_i said...

This scripture is about Christ - NOT about warren.

"the stone which the builders rejected" is God's "rightful heir" Jesus. And after hearing this, those gathered show no remorse, but reject the "rightful heir", and would eventually go on to act out the last lines of the parable.

Matthew 21: 2-46

42. Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; this was the Lord's doing, and it is amazing in our eyes'? 43. Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that produces the fruits of the kingdom. 44. The one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and it will crush anyone on whom it falls." 45. When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they realized that he was speaking about them. 46. They wanted to arrest him, but they feared the crowds, because they regarded him as a prophet.

onthestreet said...

Atar said: This scripture is about Christ - NOT about warren.

WRONG! Christ is not the wall, and the entire building. He Himself described Himself as the Cornerstone of the building., did He not, and His church as the building, and his watchmen the tower of the wall.

The whole body is required. What would you be if you were just a head, a decapitated, gruesome, unfulfilled, and short little head, without a body. Jesus said: "Ye are the body," referring to his faithful elect.

Therefore, according to Mt. 21:42 "the Kingdom has been taken from you, the gentile, and given to people who produce (much) fruit." The fruit of a man is his children. The FLDS produces fruit. Therefore, as Christ says, the kingdom is given to them.

Do you all see the contrast between the light and the darkness appearing as an angel of light? And seeing this, the priests and the Pharisees of today "want to arrest him." (Mt. 21:46)

onthestreet said...

Instead of producing "much good fruit, or the good seed", the American Cult (ure) of today does just the opposite. You SLAY your fruit, both in body and in spirit.

ATAR_i said...

It's about Christ - not warren.

Who would it have been about 10 years ago when Rulon was your prophet? - it didn't mean warren then. What about before warren was born - who did it mean then? If it's a cornerstone - it keeps getting switched out - not a very sturdy cornerstone.

It doesn't work - because it's not true.

onthestreet said...

There is the chief cornerstone, and then undershepherds, or cornerstones to a dispensation, and then cornerstones to a generation. There are 24 surrounding the Throne, and 144,000 Saviors.

Do you see it yet? Now, I know that "many have eyes, and yet see not," and "few there be that find it", but there is hope to one solitary soul who seeks it, but in faith, "nothing waivering".

These are all direct quotes from the Redeemer Himself, so if you reject me, great! Just don't reject the Lord, or the Lord's Anointed. Yet, since "Satan shall deceive the whold world", I just feel for you. What else can I do or say for a lost soul, but weep?

ATAR_i said...

I don't see any direct quotes from anyone other than a schitzophrenic with a diseased mind. Please take your medications, it's much more pleasant and interesting to interact with you when you do.

onthestreet said...

You just don't see direct "references," but the quotes are there. Don't you have a Bible dictionary? They are very handy, my friend. Exercise some more faith, always.

ATAR_i said...

If you put quotations around something that is a reference - please include the reference - or I will assume you have just made it up and wrapped quotations around it.

onthestreet said...

Well, look it up. I'm not your baby-sitter. Like I just said: Exercise some faith. Take steps of faith. The Lord won't spoon-feed you, girl.

ATAR_i said...

Nope - stop being lazy and include the reference yourself.

Your english teacher surely isn't proud now.

I bet you always have always asked everyone to do your work for you - and then accused THEM of laziness for not doing YOUR work - pathetic, feeble, loaf.

Faithful Woman said...

We need more interested parties in their assets in the UEP to be more open.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, Loaf! Wheat is the staff of life. Feeble! "The Lord raises up the feeble". Pathetic! The path of denouncing all that is pathologic and offensive. Christ Himself was and is "pathetic" to Billions of people. He is such good company.

ATAR_i said...

Arrogant and Feeble (minded) in the same post - that pretty much describes you.

mugwump said...

His linking himself as Christ's equal is blasphemy.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, but I am feeble, AND a sinner. Is it not blasphemy to equate that with our Redeemer????

mugwump said...

Oh !!! you are now Christ's equal?

ATAR_i said...

equate is the wrong word if you want to be theologically sound.

Christ wasn't feeble
Christ didnt' sin (wasn't a sinner)

Thus - you are nothing like him.

Christ took on the sins of the world for three days, and lived in Hell, to sacrifice himself for us.

Blasphemy is "The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God."

So yeah - you qualify.

now we can call you

blasphemous on the street - or BOTs

mugwump said...

Good observation atar_i - BOTs or of such insignificant value to anyone - bots?

ATAR_i said...

: ) thanks mugs

onthestreet said...

Smelly Tar Said: "Blasphemy is "The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God." So yeah - you qualify.

STREET's Reply: These are the attributes of God: Knowledge, Faith or Power, Justice, Judgement,
Mercy, Truth. The rights pertain to eternal life. God has directed man to claim it all, and to "be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect".

Tarry calls that blasphemous.

http://www.centerplace.org/hs/dc/lec-004.htm

[Lec 4:1d] we shall now proceed to show the connection there is between correct ideas of the attributes of God, and the exercise of faith in him unto eternal life.

[Lec 4:2a] Let us here observe that the real design which the God of heaven had in view in making the human family acquainted with his attributes, was that they through the ideas of the existence of his attributes, might be enabled to exercise faith in him, and through the exercise of faith in him, might obtain eternal life.

[Lec 4:2b] For without the idea of the existence of the attributes which belong to God, the minds of men could not have power to exercise faith in him so as to lay hold upon eternal life.

[Lec 4:2c] The God of heaven understanding most perfectly the constitution of human nature, and the weakness of men, knew what was necessary to be revealed, and what ideas must be planted in their minds in order that they might be enabled to exercise faith in him unto eternal life.

[Lec 4:3a] Having said so much, we shall proceed to examine the attributes of God, as set forth in his revelations to the human family, and to show how necessary correct ideas of his attributes are, to enable men to exercise faith in him.

[Lec 4:3b] For without these ideas being planted in the minds of men, it would be out of the power of any person or persons to exercise faith in God so as to obtain eternal life.

mugwump said...

bots, go crawl back into your hole.

onthestreet said...

With Kolvin, it is Hol(y).

onthestreet said...

You ever hear of the Kolvin Stone?

mugwump said...

is he kin to Rolling Stones?

onthestreet said...

Ahh, that's what we though, as to the limited extent of your knowledge.

mugwump said...

bots:

You don't recognize "tongue in cheek" humor?