Saturday, August 06, 2005

New Pictures

New recon this morning after a 2 inch rain.

Walls are going up around the temple starting with the Northwest corner. I estimated the height at about 12 feet. A man on a ladder with eight rungs is about four feet from the top. Magnificent circular staircase is being installed at entrance of the temple. Brick on south side is now about 2/3 complete. The temple is going to be breath-taking when completed. New trees are planted in front of H house. There are many women and children in the fields today although not a significant increase in population that can be seen from the air. More black dirt being ripped near quarry. FLDS looks great after the new rain. I wonder what kind of trees are in the orchard?

New photos. They are yours to enjoy.
Eldorado FLDS 8-06-05

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Peach.

ThePilot said...

Thanks Anon,

I added 5 more photos to the 08-06-2005 gallery.

Inside_Out said...

Awesome like always Pilot..

ATAR_i said...

Will this temple need to be sealed or dedicated or anything before it is used?

What will it be used for?

GBNF said...

Pilot,
Thanks for the info, again.
you are awesome.

Anonymous said...

That tall concrete looking wall they're building around the temple scares me. Can anyone offer some ideas why its being built? I picture it as looking like a fortress when this high wall is completed.

Since the entire YFZ ranch is surrounded by an 8 foot fence, then why the need to build a 10 - 12 foot cement wall around the temple?

Is this wall being built to keep people in or to keep people out?

I can't put my finger on it, but it just doesn't feel right; it really concerns me.

onthestreet said...

So do your stinky socks and stinky everything else scare us. Take a bath, and quit poking your nose over everyone's fense, and into everyone's bedroom.

You're scary to yourself.
BOO! Now, don't flip out.
Mental Health in America
does have solutions, but you can't heal when you're talking to yourself dark things, and hearing dark voices.

Anonymous said...

Straight Shot say,
Atari - although this temple at the YFZ ranch goes against every prophecy, or prediction, in or out of the LDS Church, and the Fundamentalist Mormons of every kind, there always have been dedication ceremonies for every temple ever built by Mormons.

Warren Jeffs will likely dedicate it and then also "seal it up" against the "forces of evil and the destroyer". The Mainstream Mormons in the last 100 years have allowed people to tour the finished temples when they are finished and then hold a special dedicatory ceremony after-which only temple-recommend carrying worthy Mormon's are allowed to enter for specific purposes.

I wondered about this wall too - but since the only images we and even most of Warren's own people have seen of this temple have been taken from the air the way this wall is being constructed will not serve the purpose of keeping, "gentile" eyes from seeing the completed temple. Maybe Warren has had his people dream up a way to seal off the ability to photograph his temple from the top. Would be the only way he could.

There is no way to feel safe or good about any part of the fences in that place. It truly is a beautiful place with the gardens and orchards growing at a rapid pace -- but it looks like a Stepford town. There is something so surreal and strange about this place it defies description.

We can only pray there is a way to find the missing children and for our loved ones to know there are family that cares for them - what ever happens.
But without help - how can we get to them.
God help us all.

Anonymous said...

Looking at photos the wall may not be so sinister, part of it may be used as a retaining wall in the corner near where two streets intersect, the photo shows where the temple property was leveled, they will have to fill in the area between the intersection and wall, so part of the wall may serve as retaining wall. It appears to have concrete columns with some sort of prefabab wall section lowered in placed then stuccoed to give appearance of solid concrete.

For security it might keep an individual from jumping over, but wouldn't prevent LE from enering as the wall dosen't appear strong enough to prevent bulldozers or armored vechicles from entering.

IMO for security purposes, the fence is to keep ordinary folks out & serve as a decorative feature/retaining wall.

The temple building it's self wouldn't make a very good "fortress" because of it's construction, thin veneer of limestone over the exterior would only stop small arms fire, any larger caliber weapons would go through building, large windows & large skylights as indicate building is not designed as defensive position.

BTW think that Warren Jeffs should get a backbone, call sheriff Doran, turn himself in peacefully.

Jeffs claims to be following Joseph Smith as Mormon prophet, he needs to do as Smith did, when charge with crimes, Smith allways turned himself in peacefully to LE.

Read last paragraph of this website Jeffs: http://www.josephsmith.net/portal/site/JosephSmith/menuitem.da0e1d4eb6d2d87f9c0a33b5f1e543a0/?vgnextoid=ad10001cfb340010VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD

Smith left for the jail under his own free will, not under arrest, turned himself in peacefully.

onthestreet said...

Smith and Christ were often hiding from the enemy. "And Jesus left Jerusalem and hid himself."

"And I [Jesus] say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do." (Luke 12:4)

"Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple..." (John 8:59)

"After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because Jews sought to kill him." (John 7:1)

A case of do as I say, not as I do? You think?

onthestreet said...

Smith and Christ were often hiding from the enemy. "And Jesus left Jerusalem and hid himself."

"And I [Jesus] say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do." (Luke 12:4)

"Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple..." (John 8:59)

"After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because Jews sought to kill him." (John 7:1)

A case of do as I say, not as I do? You think?

fttc said...

Street

You are overlooking something very obvious. Jesus did not hide from law enforcement. He hid from an angry mob. There is a BIG difference. At what is termed the passion Jesus gave himself up the the Roman soldiers (the Law) although the high priest was present.

ATAR_i said...

fftc - yes, in fact - I bought a lovely old book here with some of the early original teachings of the LDS. And, while I don't have time to copy it - it contradicts how warren conducts himself relating to submitting to the laws of the land.

Anonymous said...

I noticed a new pad between the warehouses and silos. It wouldn’t be for the mysterious building that disappeared in CC would it?

onthestreet said...

fttc atar:
Jesus tells THE LAWYERS they are putting burdens on the people.

Luk 11:45, Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, ... Luk 11:52: Woe unto you lawyers for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Luke 14:3 - And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, ... "Is it allowable to cure people on the sabbath," etc.

See, the Law was constantly abusing their Lord, and he was constantly rebuking them.

ATAR_i said...

Ummm, interesting.

Jesus was rebuking the religious with all of their rules for practicing their "religion".

So restrictive were these rules - that he even had to ask if he could heal the sick - on the holy day.

I highly doubt Caesar had much to do with religious law - and the experts that he was speaking to - were the experts in religious law and the Pharisees (not CAESAR).

It would basically be akin to Jesus asking warren and his bishops if it was ok to comfort an apostate. Like - duh - you should be able to show them a great kindness, but because of the religious rules warren has instituted that would be a 'no no'.

If anyone is hyper religious - the the point - of missing the point of Christ (well - just look in the mirror).

fttc said...

I think I feel one of streets incoherent babbling sessions coming on. We have him in corner.

ATAR_i said...

OK - I'll take the cross - you head it in.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I noticed a new pad between the warehouses and silos. It wouldn’t be for the mysterious building that disappeared in CC would it?

8/08/2005 8:36 PM

TOO SMALL

onthestreet said...

And the earth will be TOO SMALL to contain the nations that will flow from the Prophet Warren.

red rocks girl said...

go to the corner right now street!

onthestreet said...

There you GO! And his train will fill to all the corners of the earth.

mugwump said...

Pilot:

Thanks for the good pictures. In many ways these photos pose more questions than answers. On row 3 Photo 4 (Cement plant) at the bottom of the page.

There appears to be an opening into the ground. Is it a cavern or cave, or perhaps a tunnel? Would you please get a closer view with the center of focus on the above.

Thank you,
Mugwump

ThePilot said...

Actually what appears to be a cavern is a large mound of black dirt that is wet from recent rain. It does look like cavern in the photo but I can assure you its not - this is what it really is:

http://web.sccn2.net/flds/images/IMG_0854.JPG

onthestreet said...

YOU GUYS ARE CAVE-PARANOID, eyes lusting after any fantasy and dirty thing your little minds can imagine. But that is only part of your problem, the end result of your CULT(ure).

ATAR_i said...

oh stop whining you closet wiccan.

mugwump said...

Thanks Pilot:

I see why the first picture caused me to see something else.

ots: For one who's mind seems to behave much like a ball in a vacuum, bouncing back and forth, acomplishing nothing, poviding nothing of importance serving no useful purpose.

Anonymous said...

Mugwump...the vacuum.

Faithful Woman said...

I wonder if along with the shoe racks, they have a specific style of shoe that is worn by all. And where they get them. Do they order them direct from the factory special made, or just found an accepable style, or if they make them themselves.
I can't imagine that with such limited outside access, that each buying their own shoes is allowed.

ATAR_i said...

interesting - I'd never thought of that

onthestreet said...

Oh, put your shoes on. Tarjam is really smelly.

ATAR_i said...

Do they wear a specific type of shoe - anyone know?

onthestreet said...

They shoe away all that offends. That is very specific, and to the point. Any advanced matters are just that, advanced and pertaining only to themselves.

ATAR_i said...

Does anyone have a 2nd grader who can help translate the post above.

onthestreet said...

lol: Have bout this second-grader? Okay, it means shoes (or shew forth, or show forth...). And with the FLDS, even shoes are advanced in doctrine and truth, when you're on the path of the Tree of Life, the Flaming Sword.

Jesus has white hair, eyes of fire, feet like burnished brass, and has a sword ... An angel threw the censer down to earth, causing thunder, lightning, earthquakes...
www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/abs_list.html

ATAR_i said...

LOL - even our shoes are advanced

onthestreet said...

THEIR shoes!

ATAR_i said...

OK - so not your shoes, all the other FLDS people's shoes are advanced. NO matter how you say it - it just sounds hysterically funny. (are your cats bigger than our cats too? LOL)

onthestreet said...

What is natural is natural in the earth, but "the natural man is an enemy to God".

MORMON 02
"For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be...Luke 1:35
www.ondoctrine.com/1mormo02.htm

Times and Seasons - Comments on The Grammar of Inequity
... like “greater love hath no man” or “the natural man is an enemy to God…”
www.timesandseasons.org/wp/ wp-comments-popup.php?p=438&c=1

Mosiah 3:19 in the B. of M. says, "For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has ... www.utahchristianpub.org/claims_book/mclaims4.htm

mugwump said...

Why would God create a natural enemy? Man was innocent until he sucummbed to satan's temptation. Man is not God's enemy, he's just out of fellowship. If the fellowship were perfect man wouldn't sin.

Man's disobedience demonstrates free will.

Forgivness demonstrates God's grace given freely.

Good works is God's grace living in you as demonstrated by your faith in HIM.

onthestreet said...

James 4: " Know not ye, that the friendship of this world is enemy to God? Therefore whoever will be the friend of this world, is made the enemy of God.

Natural man is an enemy to God Mosiah 3 ...

mugwump said...

mugwmp 3:1

If you want to quote scripture please use the original KJV. Smith not read here.

onthestreet said...

Especially SMITH! He is the God of this dispensation, both yours and mine. Ahh, didn't know that, did ya? If you want to quote scripture, please use the original SMITH, for while the ancient Bible is true and applicable to all generations, it was revelation directly to another people. They had the Word of God in their day, and we have it in ours.

How about you, poor boy? Do you have God's word personally, or only second-hand? Please broaden yourself to the third member of the godhead.