Thursday, August 04, 2005

KSL Radio Reports

ST. GEORGE, Utah (AP) -- A report has been filed asking a Utah judge to hold off on appointing new trustees to oversee the United Effort Plan Trust.

The trust is the financial arm of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. A judge is expected consider potential trustees on Thursday.

The report filed yesterday objects to nearly every person mentioned in the high-profile case.

Bruce Wilson, a special fiduciary for the U-E-P, said that every party who has nominated trustees in this case is viewed as a dissident, apostate and/or anti-polygamy crusader.

Utah Assistant Attorney General Tim Bodily agrees. He says the court needs to be careful in making sure that they will appoint people that will represent the broad interest of the trust, and that's why they're asking the court to take more time.

Wilson says the U-E-P owns property worth more than 32 (M)million dollars in Washington County, and property in Mohave County, Arizona worth 59 (M)million dollars.

48 comments:

fttc said...

What is the court supposed to do? Maybe they can gather up some of warren's faithful and force them to submit some nominees. Warren's supporters had just as much opportunity to nominate as anyone. If they weren't living above the law and ignoring the court they wouldn't even be losing control of the UEP. I say tough luck! We reap what we sow. The court needs to go ahead with the appointments. Delaying will only offer more opportunity for actions such as the Andrew Chatwin drama.

Anonymous said...

Thank you fttc. I am glad you have posted your thoughts on this. Warrenittes had their chance. Warren does not care about the lives he has ruin and tumbled about. I think now is the time for him to wonder what will happen to him.

Andrew and his sweet wife, need closure along with others in the community even the Warrenites. They need to know who is in control. They need to see a faces of trustees, even if one is a Warrenite not the CC or Hildale police force.

These trustees will be honest. Some may have an agenda, but I believe for the most part they have the community health and welfare in mind. I think all in all everyone will keep their personal agendas to themselves.

Enough time has been wasted.

onthestreet said...

"Waaaaa. . . I want my mommy."

Anonymous said...

I guess street spoke for all warrenites.

Anonymous said...

I second that, "Waaaaa...I want my mommy." Talk about crying over spilt milk. They complian about what was never there's. You do not own the Land. You never have. You never will. "Waaaaa... I want my mommy." A man has the right to ask some-one to leave his property. AND THE LAND WAS SET UP, SO THAT PEOPLE WHO DID NOT WANT THIS RELIGION, COULD NOT DESTROY THE ONE'S WHO DO.......I SECOND THAT, "WAAAAA...I WANT MY MOMMY." AND BY THE TIME THE COURT FEE'S ARE PAID YOU COULD HAVE BUILT YOUR-SELF TEN CITY'S....BUT YOU GAVE YOUR MONEY TO A LAWER, TO FIGHT A BATTLE YOU WILL NOT WIN....WAAAAA, I WANT MY MOMMY....

Anonymous said...

Another warrenite taking up the cry! And screaming incoherently all the while!

Anonymous said...

ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS, MARCHING ON TO WAR, WITH THE CROSS OF JUSUS GOING ON BEFORE. WE ARE NOT DIVIDED, ALL ONE BODY WE, ONE IN HOPE AND DOCTRINE, ONE IN CHARITY. LIKE A MIGHTY ARMY MOVES THE CHURCH OF GOD, BROTHERS YOU ARE TREADING WHERE THE SAINTS HAVE TREAD.

DARE TO DO RIGHT, DARE TO BE TRUE, YOU HAVE A WORK THAT NO OTHER CAN DO.

WE THANK THEE, OH GOD FOR A PROPHET.....

ZION IS THE PURE IN HEART....

WHO CARRYS A SWORD?

WHO CARRY'S THERE ARMOR?

THERE YOU HAVE THE DIVIDING LINE.

ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND OF CHRIST, THE OTHER ON THE LEFT.

WHO WILL BUILD UP ZION?

WHO WILL STAND TRUE........

JESUS DOES GATHER ALL THE FAITHFUL.

YOU WILL BE YOUR OWN JUDGE........

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DIVIDE ZION.....

ZION IS THE PURE IN HEART....

WE HAVE A PROPHET IN ZION...

GOD DOES FIGHT OUR BATTLES....

HE DOES DEFEND THE RIGHTOUSE.

WILL HE DEFEND YOU?

fttc said...

The only money I ever gave that found itself involved went to FLDS lawyers. And yes it was a lot! And yes it could have built many homes.

In fact if Sam Barlow had listened to his superiors and not got us involved so deep in the UEP lawsuits we would not be where we are now. We could have given those who choose to leave enough money to cover the improvements on their property many times over. They would have been happy to leave peacefully for the most part. They were discouraged and ready to leave.

But no, Sam, Stanley and others had to get in their face and be very unchrist-like. Those who would have left were made angry and voila we have this mess now.

Anonymous said...

Who will be Zion?
God can multiply money in seconds.
He has given us Lands.
He has given us all things.
Who will build up Zion? Who will fight?
Zion is the pure in heart.
Every soul upon the earth has an excuse to fight or to forgive.
We are all human.
Who then does live the law of Christ? Before you is a choice.
If you choose to stay and serve the God of the Earth, he will open the door for you. If you choose to pick up a sword, he will give a sword to you...Zion is the pure in heart. Who will defend Zion. ANd after all the money is gone and the winds have blown and the hour is at hand for you to go on to the next life, like all do, What will you take for yourself to be laid before Isreal's God? Did you forgive or did you use your life and experiences to hate and plunder like high-way robbery men. What was your choice? As you judge, so shall you be judged. WE HAVE A PROPHET IS ZION. ZION WILL NOT FAIL. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ZION TO FAIL. AS LONG AS YOU STAND UPON THE EARTH YOU HAVE A PORTION OF GODS WORLD. WILL YOU LIVE FOR HIM, OR YOUR SELFISHNESS? WILL YOU WALK WITH JESUS OR WILL YOU FIGHT THE BATTLE OF ARMIGADON. IT IS UPON US. I HAVE CHOSEN TO WALK WITH CHRIST AND FORGIVE ALL MEN. WHO EVER THEY ARE. WHERE EVER THEY ARE. FOR WHAT EVER THEY DO. THIS WAS MY CHOICE. I WILL WALK IN THE HEAVENS TOO. WHAT IS YOUR CHOICE? LAND IS AN ELIMENT GIVEN TO ALL MEN. THEY CLAIM IT, ALWAYS. ONLY IF THEY ARE DEAD, DO THEY WALK THE WORLD OF SPIRITS. WHAT GOOD IS YOUR LAND THEN, TO YOU? WHAT GOOD IS YOUR MONEY THEN, TO YOU? WHAT GOOD IS YOUR GUNS AND YOUR ARGUMENTS THEN. WHAT WILL YOU TAKE WITH YOU....SOME CLAIM THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN JUSUS. THEY THEN WILL SERVE THE DEVIL. SERVANTS. SERVANTS IS OUR PLEASURE. SERVE JESUS OR LUCIFER. YOU MADE A CHOICE ONCE. YOU WERE FAITHFUL ONCE. WHY TRADE YOUR BIRTH-RIGHT, FOR A BIT OF LAND AND GOLD....WE HAVE A PROPHET IN ZION. ZION WILL NOT FAIL. ZION WILL NOT FALL. THIS BATTLE HAS BEEN FOUGHT SINCET HE BEGINNING OF TIME. YOU HAVE BUT ONE CHOICE. WHAT WILL YOU CHOOSE. ZION IS THE PURE IN HEART. YOU CAN ONLY MAKE YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN NOT MAKE ANOTHERS CHOICE. WE WILL NOT LOSE. GOD IS OUR PAY-MASTER...
WILL HE DEFEND YOU?

fttc said...

You anonys keep mentioning the land. Who wants your land? Even Ross who would not leave his home when commanded was not fighting for the land. He is standing for a principle. At least that is what I got from conversing with him.
No one had a right to throw him out of his home. Warren is ruining the community. I don't think anyone can honestly deny that. Someone needed to stand up and say it is enough.

The purpose of many on this blog is to actually help you keep your land. Warren has been the means of creating many dilinquents in the surrounding communities. If he is not stopped there will be a community of 8,000 to 10,000 out looking for homes.
There are problems enough with the FLDS children he has sent out. We don't need the rest of the community homeless.

ATAR_i said...

ugh - the prophet will defend you - hehehe - I kinda think he's hiding under a rock and won't do that.

Do I want him to defend me - heck no - you can have him. But you might have to fire him if you want to win.

Anonymous said...

if Warren is a true prophet, then it is only fair that he present his revelations to the world in a book. that is the pattern of the ancient prophets of Israel. that was the pattern of the early Mormon prophets. the LORD has said He will give us a pattern "in all things" that we be not deceived. please tell Warren we await to read a book of the revelations he has received. until then, we truly have no evidence he is a true prophet.

mugwump said...

I'm afraid quoting "Onward Christian Soldiers" and then praying to benefit a prophet who has so harmed those he is supposed to protect leaves me wondering. Do not current events and activities ie. excomunications; spending huge amounts of UEP funds to underwrite the rewarding of those whom he deems the faithful; lying through his spokesmen regarding the purpose and ownership of the new compound in Schleicher County, Texas; having those same spokesman begin work on a sewer plant, a cement plant; a stone quarry; drilling water wells; placing armed perimeter guards on ATV's around the compound and doing all these things without consideration of the laws of the state, written to protect the citizens from anyone poluting the air; water etc.; demonstrating a lack of care regarding the UEP trust, thus squandering that money; continuing "celestial" marriages of underage girls; casting young boys, who have been taught to work hard to guarantee their having a family of their own, then, when they begin to show interest (as is natural) in the girls with whom they come into contact sending them out into a world to "make it" on their own without any knowledge of "how" these boys can sustain a life outside the commune in which they grew?

Singing "Onward Christian Soldiers"? What is Christian? What is kind? What istraining up a child in the way he should go? What demonstrates love" How are parents admonishing with love? Jeff's army has demonstrated it's power through activities of a non-caring prophet who has become a self sustaining blood-sucking leech.

Me thinks his "Armor" is an illusion, and his thoughts and orders a delusion. HE IS A COWARD; A CHARLATAN; A SEER WHOSE IMMAGE OF "SELF" HAS BECOME HIS GOD; A FRAUD; A CHILD ABUSER; A WOMAN HATER; A LEADER WITHOUT ABILITY TO WEIGH FACTS AGAINST ACCUSAL. HE LOVES HIMSELF SO MUCH I DOUBT THAT THESE FEW TRUTHS WILL HAVE ANY AFFECT UPON HIS PSYCHE. HE WILL NOT REPENT BECAUSE HE, IN HIS OWN EYES, IS PERFECTION. SO IS THE PERSONALITY OF SATAN.
It is not my intent to be objective but subjective. It is your right to agree or disagree.

Anonymous said...

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.


Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.


I have seen Him in the watch fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps;
His day is marching on.


Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His day is marching on.

one who is mighty and strong is soon to set things in order.

Anonymous said...

Yup! And he will be very different from Warren Jeffs. He will come to heal the sick and feed the poor and comfort the hurting. He will help people to overcome the faults in their life and will freely forgive, else why did he die for us in the first place?

Anonymous said...

he ain't gonna do crap

it's going to be every man for himself, for those men who are man enough to be themselves

keep sweet eldorado
stg

onthestreet said...

O ye of little faith. Quit the bickering. It'll be alot of both. Jesus, Joseph, and Warren will have a hand, and so will Satan.
In fact, it will be the Battle of the Great God, where the Hosts of Heaven will come together to the Hosts of Hell, and this is the winding-up scene.

As for "every man for himself," those are the masses who will be calling for the rocks to fall upon them. We certainly lament for those souls.

Anonymous said...

"...it will be the Battle of the Great God, where the Hosts of Heaven will come together to the Hosts of Hell,..."

....oh street.
You REALLY need to lay off those comic books

keep sweet eldorado
stg

mugwump said...

Does anyone else think that the ravings of OTS are similar in incontinuity and irrational thought as are the audio tapes of Warren Jeffs sermons which have recently come into the hands of us Gentiles?

I sense a little bit of Looney Toons here. Does anyone else out there remember the little "What me Worry?" character that regularly appeared in "MAD" magazine? The cartoon character was named Alfred E. Newman. That character reminds me of Jeffs photograph. I think OTS is Jeff's alter ego and every time I read one of OTS ravings I think of lil' ol' Alfred.

When Jeffs is caught he may plea insanity. That will seem unfair to those who have been personally injured by his tactics. No "sane" person would pull the stunts that has. He must get some kind of morbid sexual satisfaction from dis-assembling family life. He's a sadistic pervert, not just a polygamist.

Polygamists, except for the perverted old revered codgers who want all the young women, don't seem to be "bad" people. The FLDS membership seems to be willing victims of a system of voluntary slavery for girls and women and the banishment of selected male youths. I don't understand it. I never will. It is not something in which I am remotely interested in pursuing myself.

Young women, who are at least 18 years of age need the love and comfort that they can only realize in a monogamous relationship. Your bed-hopping papa-sans, who only choose to be with you when you ovulate seem cruel and at best hypocritial. How can you be the one special person in HIS life when it's wham-bam with no thank you ma'm afterward. To me, your women are treated no better than the recent procurement of another brood sow who happens to be in heat. How can real love come from that kind of relationship?

You FLDS people would do yourselves much good in the hearings related to UEP if you would just turn Warren in to the FBI. That action alone would go far in promoting your rightful claim to the fund. The FBI cannot be seen as being driven by a special interest group. Their only horse in the race is to capture Jeffs. Their interest is related to his having crossed state lines to avoid prosecution. He would appear before a Federal judge on the Federal Charge before being turned over to the courts in either Utah or Arizona.

Neither blind obedience to Jeffs nor to anyone of the same ilk, will restore ownership of the UEP into the hands of those who have given and given and given and given to its support.

What you need is a Declaration of Independence from any of the family clan leaders who led you into this mess. Any United Effort should be people driven, not the private slush-fund used to reward the "good ol' boys" who have been running the show. Their leadership stinks, and you are it's victims.

onthestreet said...

Mudrump: Like you said: "I don't understand it. I never will." That pwitty well waps it up.

onthestreet said...

You all fail to realize that the value of the UEP today in the 100's of Millions is worthless.
"The saints will inherit not just the earth but the universe, says your Redeemer. So whoever that is will become the kings and priests of this planet and throughout eternity, whether true saints reside at the YFZ, or anywhere else FYI.

A mere state or the spec of dust that we call a planet is worthless. In fact, "heaven and earth shall pass away."

Anonymous said...

...meanwhile, back at the ranch...

onthestreet said...

Aren't you so precise. YES! We tend to our knitting.

Anonymous said...

Streetie you keep late hours. Do you like to walk the isles at Wally World at night!

Streetie said "whether true saints reside at the YFZ, or anywhere else FYI."

What comfort to those living in Bountiful and Shortcreek.
You are telling those poor true saints left slaving day and night for the "Work" will be "lifted up" also.

I need some clarification, dear. I thought only those sweet young things in Texas where going to allowed that honor over time.

Onewaystreet

onthestreet said...

Street called Straight, you're right. Straight and narrow, and there is ONLY one way.

Anonymous said...

onthestreet said...
Street called Straight, you're right. Straight and narrow, and there is ONLY one way. 8/06/2005 4:12 PM

Streetie am I reading you true. Zion straight and narrow, it is the ONLY one way?

Streetie have you ever had a dream of moving there yourself? Your prophet loves to dream. Just wondering.

Onewaystreet

onthestreet said...

"I saw angels ascending and descending." Zayin is a path for ascending and descending, but Christ is the only Way, through the agency of His anointed.

"Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm."

"They will see and know it is not a light thing to touch mine anointed one!"

a soul said...

"it is not a light thing to touch mine annointed one!"

Good one street, however it seems to be the thing to do. As long as you have two mothers, and a brother, to claim that you are a profit. Is it then appropriate for you, and all of your followers, to decide, that the "Lords Annointed" is no longer worthy of his annointing?

Then you can start undoing all the work of the former prophets, and dicredit their words, because after all, while they all support each others teachings, for some reason they are all contrary to yours.

Anonymous said...

Lord San Nointed is self appointed. To put it in Streeteeze.

onthestreet said...

So true. True Self, or Him who hath found his True Self, or God in him, He is the one anointed.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, and I can just picture him dancing around doing cute little piroetts in his So true tutu too. Being so true to his true tutu self, and you too.

mugwump said...

It's really hard to stay focused when you are dealing with who is so obsessed with himself and himself. I wonder which himself he viewed in the mirror this morning?

fttc said...

He has one of those 'three-way' mirrors. Watch what happens when he figures out how to swing the other wing in! There will be no end to himselfs then.

onthestreet said...

Reality is the True Self. All else are reflections and illusions. There is only one True Self.

mugwump said...

fttc

In this case I think street's illusion is himself.

"a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." from: Wm. Shakespeare's writings

fttc said...

A perfect description.

onthestreet said...

Okay, your soul is based on SHAKE-SPEAR. Mine is based on SCRIPTURE, full of sound and fury!

WELL PUT, putt putt.

fttc said...

Scripture is the word of God... Your soul is based more on streeture.

Anonymous said...

or, since it's on-the-street--manure.

Anonymous said...

It is like a great big quilt with many threads. By discrediting any one of the apostles or by removing elders the threads get cut. It makes an awful mess.

Anonymous said...

or...just do it like warren. Don't tie a knot in the string. Use the one same short piece and just pull it through and keep going. No matter that it's undone again behind you... or undone ahead of you. It's his version of the "living oracle" doctrine.

onthestreet said...

OR HOW BOUT THIS ONE:

With "street-manure," how my garden grows, while you get sprayed with your own sht.

Quilt with many threads? YES! And coat of many colors. Remove just one chamber, and you get the very mess you see in CC, spraying you all the more.

"OR, JUST DO IT LIKE WARREN"
VERY, VERY, WELL PUT. THEN YOU ARE SAFE. Use the same, ancient, old thread back to Adam, and just pull it through, and keep going. Then God is in the details.

How perceptive of you. How so very perceptive, whether you realized it or not, OR know anything about it still.

Anonymous said...

Street, are you happy? What makes you tick?

onthestreet said...

Most happy. Following after him (the Prophet who follows the Lord) makes me most happy, and gives me life (yes, "makes me tick", if you will).

mugwump said...

A walking time-bomb, about to explode and reveal your leadership's dirty laundry.

onthestreet said...

I AGREE! THINGS ARE INDEED ABOUT TO EXPLODE, AND NOT JUST WITH YOU:

"It shall begin at the House of God," says the Lord. RIGHT HERE, WITH US:

Matthew Henry Commentary - Ezekiel Chapter 9Note, When judgements are abroad they commonly begin at the house of God, 1 Pt. 4:17. You only have I known, and therefore I will punish you, Amos 3:2. ...
www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/
mhc/ezekiel/9.html

After The Counsel Of His Own Will by Mike Vinson - Part 18
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of GOD. What do the scriptures teach will be the outcome of God's judgments? ...mikevinson.home.mindspring.com/sovereignty18.html

[DOC] Why I Don’t Necessarily Believe in a pre-tribulation Rapture, but ...and that judgment begins at the house of God or at the church, and the only place seven ... The first five seals were judgments, but not yet wrath! ...
www.homestead.com/PROPHECYCENTER/files/Why_I_Don_t_Necessarily_Believe_in_Pre-Trib_Rapture.doc

The Time is Come by Bill Somers
The time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: For I am ...Yea there is Judgment coming but my word says, that when my judgments are in the ...
www.etpv.org/bills_page/4part.html




You see, we are often in agreement, once we get over the juvenile stance and argumentative attitude and defensive posturing.

mugwump said...

You know what? I have a Matthew Henry's Commentary too. What a coincidence! New Jerusalem Bible and a very Calvinistic Commentary

Anonymous said...

Yeehaw!