Wednesday, May 25, 2005

warrenjeffs moderator

Has anyone here recieved an "Invitation to join the warrenjeffs group!"? It comes from "warrenjeffs moderator" warrenjeffs-owner@yahoogroups.com

Has a note that says, "Street this is the place to come to , to speak your mind .
Bring with you , whomever you want.."

Anyone know what this is all about and who is behind it? Is it on the up and up or is it as scarey as it sounds?

46 comments:

HardHeaded said...

Who,what,where???

ATAR_i said...

There are nineteen members to the yahoo group WarrenJeffs the group appears to have started May 10, 2005.

Someone named Bug Duster Bull started the group.

Sixteenth Son said...

Jay Beswick is posting over there.I
Think this must just be a discussion group.I just dont think
Jay would be posting on a pro-Warren site.Has anyone tryed to join?

ATAR_i said...

I joined just to see who was there. I don't plan to post.

sixteenth son said...

Dont leave us in suspense Atar?Whats it all about?

ATAR_i said...

I put a link up, It seems like more of the same - OTS is there. You can read the posts without subscribing - but you can't post or see the member list unless you are a member.

onthestreet said...

You and me both, Atar. The site doesn't look too promising, does it?

Anonymous said...

In the paper today, it says that someone else is going to take over the U. E. P. oh, I quess, I will send Winston Blackmore a bill for our taxes. Oh, I quess some one else can pay for me. Just think we are all crimnals now. We are exsempt from paying bills. We will get to sit in a house and have the government feed us all. Just think, now that we are crimnals, we will have representation. Just think, all you will have to do is steal our computers and shoot us. Or pay our way. too much trouble you poor troubled souls. Better turn it over to other management. Oh, Winston< oh, just let me know where to send my bills too. I want to be a hero like Ross/ Gee, this will be fun. I NEED YOUR ADDRESS THO. KEEP YOUR PAPER LIGHT SHINEING. GET OUT YOUR SINGING QUITAR, LETS SING. "IN FIFTY THREE, THEY RAIDED OUR CITY. THEY TOOK OUR CHILDREN. IN 2005 THEY SENT THE BILL TO ME." WINSTON, IT APEARS YOU ARE OWEING US ABOUT 25,000,OOO MILLION DOLLARS. I HOPE YOU CAN MANAGE TO KEEP OUR ROADS PAVED TOO. MAYBE YOU CAN CONVINCE THEM TO RETURN OUR COMPUTERS, AND STOP THE SPECTRUM IN A LIE. TO MUCH TROUBLE TO PAY THE TEACHERS. THEY HAD TO TAKE THE COMPUTERS. MAYBE THEY WILL SELL THEM TO PAY THE SWATT TEAM, THAT STOLE THEM. IT IS EXPENSIVE TO PERPETUATE A LIE. I WILL BE SENDING YOU MY BILL, TOO. OH, I NEED A NEW HOUSE, TOO. CAN'T LET THE JONESES OUT DO ME. I NOW WARREN JEFFS GAVE ME ONE TWO YEARS AGO, BUT THIS ONE IS OUT DATED. IT DOES NOT HAVE A BIG FENCE AROUND IT. IT NEED S A BACK YARD SWIMMING POOL. I WILL THINK OF A FEW OTHER THINGS I NEED TOO. THIS IS GREAT. I THINK I WILL BE SENDING YOU A BILL; LET'S SAY OK, 28,000 FOR THE HOUSE. 28,000, FOR THE POOL. 28,000 FOR THE PAVEMENT AND DRIVEWAY. 28,000 FOR OH, I WILL THINK OF SOMETHING. COULD NOT LET THE SQUATTERS GET AHEAD OF ME. KEEP SINGING TOO. MAYBE WE COULD DANCE SOME JUST FOR FUN.

Anonymous said...

You make a good case for compuslory public education.

Cactus Jim said...

Of course Ruth's definition of "Lie" is anything she doesn't want to hear.

Thie Saint George Spectrum says "The Colorado City school budget for the 2004-05 school year was $6.7 million for about 300 students and 71 staff members, compared to the Littlefield Unified School District No. 9, which had a budget of $4.8 million for 500 students and 37 staff members." Littlefield is only about 60 miles closer to Kingman than Colorado City, but manages somehow to get along without an airplane. Well, you know that Spectrum; "LIERS!!!"

onthestreet said...

When did they start transplanting cactuses from Henderson to Eldorado? Hello Jimmy.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous 11:47,

What makes you think that Winston is taking over the UEP? Besides, it seemes to me that he would do one hell of a lot better than Warren. Warren has been a whoosie about coming out of his damn hiding place and defending what has been so important to us all. He's done a really good job of sacking it of all its assets then leaving the blame to whoever. At least Winston has enough respect to come forward and say "What can I do to preserve the UEP and to protect what it was intended for in the first place?" He'd probably be happy to help you get a new house with a pool as you seem dissatisfied with the one your "beloved prophet" gave you, which I might add was probably made by someone who spent their life's earnings to make it only to have it and their family taken and given to some pathetic person like you! So pull your head out and get a life!!!!

Anonymous said...

I just read the headline. The UEP is no longer under Warren Jeffs' control. No information yet on the new trustees.

GBNF said...

Ruth,

When Warren calls you to the temple and offers you blood atonement, will you go? Once inside that big white building, you will not have the choice to leave. The only people to hear you scream will be Warren's closest minions, and they will hold you down, while Warren administers the fatal blow. Or perhaps he will just throw your body into the fire alive and watch you writhe and scream. I think he cannot wait to kill. And there are so many willing victims.

Once the temple is finished, Warren will have the utimate place for his deeds. He can call you, Ruth, streety, and all the others repenting from afar to him. "Come to the temple, I will save your soul...." Then he will blood atone every one of you. You will disappear.

Who will look for you. Who will care if crazy Ruth is no longer wandering the highways, or riding her bike between Kanab and Fredonia in her bathrobe.

Anonymous said...

To GBNF who posted the message, don't think ole Jeffs is stupid enough to knck any one off blood atonement or what ever. If he is that stupid he will find ole Sheriff Doran hauling his arse down to the Schleicher County jail, the jury will convict and off ole Warrens arse goes to Huntsville where his last thing to see in this life is the ceiling of the death chamber.

Here in Texas we have the death penalty, and there is always room for one more down Huntsville way for someone like Warren Jeffs.

Big mistake Warren, coming to Texas. Gov. Perry is signing a bill to make your life style even more illegal. Good job Rep. Hilderbran, good job Gov. Perry.

Anonymous said...

11:47
Get a life, if no wrong was done there's nothing to fear. It's not the lies that hurt, it's the TRUTH that hurts.

Anonymous said...

What does Winston have to do with it. He was dismissed by the same order that dismissed all of the other trustees. All you have to do is read the filing in court. In fact that makes him the first trustee to be dismissed twice. Once by Warren and once by the the court. Don't blame him. Put the blame where it belongs and that is right on the head of Warren Jeffs. He is the one who spent your money.

Anonymous said...

Winston hasn't been a trustee for a few years, so he was not dismissed by the court ruling.

To those in CC/H: Is there going to be a groundswell of old URoy and URulon people that start thumbing their noses at Warren? Is there a lot people that a tired of Warren's bs or is it just a few that are already on the outside? If there are more and more people moving away from Warren, do you think it will be enough that the flow of money to Texas stops?

GBNF said...

To anon. 5/27/2005 9:31 PM:

Tell me then why Warren had a crematorium built in the temple. Why would Warren need a place to burn bodies in his temple? How would Sheriff Doran know if Warren was blood atoning when the bodies are being disposed of? The people "repenting from afar" are not in regular contact with relatives inside or out of the community. How would anyone miss them? Warren has engineered this plan for the ulitimate power, the power over life and death.

Ya'll notice how much the law enforcement has stopped his evil so far...Texas will twiddle and debate just like AZ and UT until it is too late. I challenge Sheriff Doran and every other law enforcement agency to search the temple after it is completed. Ask themselves why someone would want to burn bodies in a religion that does not believe in cremation.

It all goes back to Warren's roots in Hitler and Satan worship. Utimate power comes in taking life.

ATAR_i said...

GBNF

How do you come by the knowledge that there is a crematorium in the temple that Warren is building.

Please give us more details. If that is true, it adds a whole new level of concern.

Anonymous said...

Winston Blackmore was specifically named in the court documents as being a trustee that was dismissed. Warren dismissed him as a trustee in 2002 but no one ever filed the dismissal, therefore he was still a trustee on record and was dismissed formally in this action. He was also formally notified to make an appearance. Believe me, I know, I have seen the documents.

Anonymous said...

To GBNF, if you have information that Jeffs is involved in murder aka blood atonement, please contact Sheriff Doran and let him know. Think he can be reached at 325-853-2737

GBNF said...

I hear tales from the temple. Should I name, names of people that would be put in jeopardy? I think not. The crematorium story came from a man that worked on it in the temple. I believe he has fallen away or is on his way to it. Everyone that comes back from Texas, comes back freaked. I have heard several stories of people telling others they do not want to go to Texas. Men, women and children are separated. Everyone is given a strict routine to follow. Everyone eats together, goes to there work stations, worship, etc. United Effort? (cult)

As to calling Sheriff Doran, thank you so much for his number. But I will have no bodies to give him. I can convince the people that spill information to bear witness against Warren no more than you can.
What I speak of is a conspiracy theory. I hear of the crematorium, I ask myself to what means?

onthestreet said...

STREET’S Reply: Well, that’s sure Biblical. Sounds like an altar alright. Do not all legitimate temples offer up sacrifices? Sound fearsome. Yes, temples of God are fearsome, for God is fearsome. Hey, in Kindergarten, as well as in Jewish synogogue worship, the boys and the girls are indeed separated. Pretty basic. Problem solved. So you fokeseys are the ones with the problem on your hands, yes? “Strict Routine”? Only God’s way, the way of the Lord, is “Straight”, “without the least degree of allowance”, “sacrificing all earthly things,” and so forth. Ahhh, torture, people eat, work, and pray together!

Cult??? Look at your “Culture? Now that is where you will find the root of “Cult”! Nothing is more gross and perverted than that.

ATAR_i said...

Can you tell us more about what you have heard from the inside of the Texas compound. Please don't use names if it will hurt anyone. But can you give any more details.

Specifics about what has made the people who travel down there so freaked. Is it just an atmosphere - or are there specific things that happen which are odd.

There are specific laws in each state which govern the disposal of human bodies.

A statement of death and a death certificate are legally required, then you would need to get a permit to cremate (and that doesn't mean do it yourself - it means a permit to have someone else do it).

A crematory would need to be licensed, they would hve to conform will all local building codes, and be in a location consistent with local zoning regulations (most are close to a cemetary).

Your application for licensure as a crematory authority would include probably need to be examined. So - I guess that would mean that non-FLDS would have to enter the temple.

If you don't have this license you cannot cremate ANY human remains.

You have have authorization to cremate each and every body - and keep detailed records.

I DOUBT THAT WARREN (or anyone in his compound) COULD EVER GET THIS LICENSURE based on everything already known about them.

ARE YOU LISTENING SHERIFF DORAN?

HOW IS IT THAT THEY CAN HAVE A CEMETARY ON THEIR PROPERTY?

Eye Witness said...

Please, everyone settle down. There is no evidence of a crematorium or any indication (smoke, etc) that there has been any unusual burning on the YFZ Ranch. Belive me, people are watching. The thing is surrounded by neighbors, some of whom can look out their windows and see the temple. Also, the authorities are watching.

As for cemeteries...Texas law allows for a private cemetery on private property as long as deaths are properly reported. The only known death at the YFZ occured last year when one of Warren Jeffs' wives died of cancer. She was under a physician's care in San Angelo and her death was documented by the Sheriff and Justice of the Peace. The whole thing was reported in The Eldorado Success. The story is probably still on the website in the archives.

Anonymous said...

Hey streetie please keep your graffiti on the streeti and stop vandalizing the blogs.

mugwump said...

atar_i
Re. your post of 5/28 @ 6:13 PM

There are many private and family cemeteries in rural Texas. YFZ is located in a county of less than 3000 souls.

I don't know for a fact, but I'll bet you are right regrding disposal of human remains via cremation. Disposal of the physical body without an accompanying death certificate, signed by a magistrate, or a physician, licensed to practice in this state, would be a serious felony.

In reality, the idea would not differ with the many-times-told stories re. the "Mob" whose victims corpses wear cement shoes while lying on the bottom of a lake or river.

I would think that it would be a bit hard to determine the identity of an individual whose remains have been reduced to ashes.

Someone who knows the answer to this question, please inform those of us who are ignorant. Can DNA be determined from residual ashes?

Stinger said...

I don't know about ashes but we had a case here in Canada where a fella killed a bunch of women and fed their bodies to his pigs. The RCMP were still able to find DNA evidence of fifteen women, that had been listed as missing, by sifting through the dirt and muck in the pig pens.

ATAR_i said...

Yes Stinger, I was thinking of just that when I wrote my response, that and Dahmer (with his acid).

I'm not certain that you could pull DNA (I don't think so), however, the presence of anything human would be enough if the crematorium was not licensed (which I doubt would ever happen).

Pilot - does the temple have anything that resembles a chimney?

onthestreet said...

Eye Witness said...
Please, everyone settle down. There is no evidence of a crematorium or any indication (smoke, etc) that there has been any unusual burning on the YFZ Ranch. Belive me, people are watching. The thing is surrounded by neighbors, some of whom can look out their windows and see the temple. Also, the authorities are watching.

STREET's Reply: Vanity of Vanities, all is vain.

Anonymous said...

This is my first anonymous post on the blog, but if it is true that there is a crematorium being built, I will mention my involvement before leaving. I was involved in building (but never got if finished before leaving) a temperature controller that I assumed was going to be for ore refining; I was not told what the temperature controller would be used for. It is not yet built. I hope that when others build it for me, that it is used for a more honorable purpose than a crematorium.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention on the temperatore controller--it was to regulate the furnace at 2700F or 1500C.

Anonymous said...

I did some looking on the web, and crematoriums seems to run around 1800F, so I hope this higher temperature setpoint means that is was for something else--maybe I shouldn't get too excited as I browse through this site.

Anonymous said...

Sorry about so many sudden posts, (aka panic) but I should clarify. 1500C is the MAXIMUM setpoint; the setpoint was to be adjustable; I was not told what temperatue it would actually be running at. This number 1500C that so strongly stands out in my mind is the IR sensor's maximum range (IIRC), not necessarily the furnace's desired operating temperature. I should re-emphasize that this controller didn't get built yet (as far as I know)--one day it was high priority, and then other higher priority secret things came up and I never heard another word about this project. I only got involved in a little of the details before other things suddenly became much higher priority. That is one reason I am so rusty on the details.

ATAR_i said...

Thank you for posting anonymous, you must be FLDS - or are you a private contractor?

What was it like inside? We heard a report that people returning are 'freaked' because the atmosphere was so different - did you find it that way? You can reply to me privately (or not at all) if this is pushing you too much.

mugwump said...

Thanks to all of you who took my concern seriously. Thank you for the insight into the mind of an obviously crafty, but deranged prophet. Information from you who know the truth behind jeffs obsessions, who care to share, would be most appreciated. It is most difficult to try to determine just what our community may experience in the future.

Anonymous said...

Ore refining? Are they going to bring down some volcanic cinder from Shortcreek and refine gold to put in that secret vault in the basement of the temple, also?

Anonymous said...

adobes?

Anonymous said...

Does limestone become less brittle with a little heat?

onthestreet said...

Limestone has mystical connotations of fire. Let's see what your scholars can come up with that.

Anonymous said...

You can atone for your sins in a lake of fire and brimstone if you want to, street.

mugwump said...

That doesn't sound like atonement to me.

onthestreet said...

Ohh, you mistake limestone with brimstone. Brimstone is native sulfur for burning. Limestone is calcium carbonate for metallurgy, a far different kind of burning, as a spiritual burning.

Men In Black said...

Ok, I was invited to the WarrenJeffs forum as were several others, all the same day. We all can speculate as to whom the moderator is, but I am not sure myself. Why would I be invited as an obstructionist makes it all that much more curious. I know others who were also invited, which tells us we were recruited from this blog or two others.

The crematorium issue was believed to be caused by a rumor regarding a blueprint for a high tempeture incinerator. There was talk of its use in construction or in the manufacture of cement and related products, but the Incinerator blueprint and design was a known consideration, that is believed to be a discarded plan. If a real person has real information, authorities would be interested, but aerial photo's and other intelligence does not support the Crematorium synerio. I of all people would love to pigeon hole Warren into this story, but there is no evidence, only alot of rumors.

I think we should talk about the buildings that disappeared last week, inspite of the court order and freeze of UEP assets.

If Atari still wants cassette's we can talk about that too.

Jay Beswick

Men In Black said...

Not much going on there, few have the guts to post, its been very quiet there. I suspect it was a mistake inviting me! Mostly watchers I think....

Jay