Sunday, May 22, 2005

Onthestreet's Area

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72 comments:

Anonymous said...

Street, you remind me of a spoiled child who needs his butt busted. Everytime something doesn't go your way you throw a temper tantrum and get everyone else in trouble. Get a grip, and grow some cajones!

Please, Admin, don't take this blog down again because of this one messed up dude. He's like the thugs who spray grafitti on bridges. He only wants to mess stuff up and doesn't care what it costs.

Hose A. Kwervo

ATAR_i said...

A man is only as good as his word. <----I agree

Friday, May 13, 2005
OnTheStreet's Area

I promised OnTheStreet I'd make him his very own area. By using this, he is agreeing that he will post all of his thoughts/ideas/feelings in this area, and not any other on texaspolygamy.blogspot.com. I will assume that posts in other areas on the board after 5/12/05 will annul this agreement, and I will delete OnTheStreet's Area.

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Street's reply

Choke, Choke, Gasp, Gasp.
Well, okay, you want dazzle. Okay, if you must. As far as the agreement, yah, a man is as good as his word. Sure, I'll post only here. You lucky dogs, you.


By onthestreet, at 5/14/2005 5:41 PM

Anonymous said...

He wasn't getting enough attention so he had to hop around on all the other threads until someone noticed him. Try to resist man!!!
Try to resist!!!!! Bridal your passions!!!

Anonymous said...

...or bridle you passions. Bridal makes one think of marriage, which leads to plural marriage, which leads to talk of celestial marriage, which gets OTS stirred up again. On and on, ad nauseum.

onthestreet said...

Unmarried, bridled, in the land of the free, and exercising your freedom of speech (WITH PASSION).

HardHeaded said...

A lot of us try to stick to our agreements ots. Its kind of the fad these days.

onthestreet said...

Hardheaded for sure (tongue-in-cheek). Then why did you violate your agreement to your God before you left his presence, to be meek and lowly, not hardheaded?
Ahh, very good question.

HardHeaded said...

Hey man, for some reason I really don't remember making that agreement, but I guess if you say so it must be the truth.

HardHeaded said...

Oh and by the way, if I do make any agreements with our god, I assure you, you will know nothing of it. Also, how can you honor your agreements with god, if you can't honor a simple little agreement with a weblog administrator???

Anonymous said...

I'd rather be "hardheaded" than out "on the street". I agree with you hardheaded...ots only follows the "rules" when it suits his purposes.
From what I've seen he likes to sit back and wait and then pounce from the wings when you least expect it. Cowardly, but effective. Debate with him for awhile and you will see that he does one of two things:
1. Goes off the deep end and gets himself banned
2. Hides out and doesn't post until things cool off.

That is ots.

PS: when he gets frustrated and is unable to make any points, he then resorts to calling people names, or poking fun. I guess the purpose of this is to take attention away from the fact he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, Street did keep that agreement, almost exclusively for days on end, except for the human nature of a couple one-liner slip ups, and asked that 'administrator' to delete the slip ups, not knowing that she was actually looking only for a pretext to attack.

Now, as for who honors who, the weblog founder has honored and sided with Street, in allowing Street to post here, and these are the words the admin used in doing so:

Street wrote:

OKAY admin. That sounds great. Peace is always better than war. As you can see, I tried to post (and did post) everything in my own stall, except for a couple of slip-ups with some one-liners. That really demonstrates the abuse among Atar and others who hate a good people, and their seeking the slightest pretext to violate them, and straining over a knat. Sorry to see it.

Thank you Sir. I'll do most of my posts here, and I'll slip up now and again, I promise. You have my word. And now, I will also be posting in the other threads, I promise. However, I’ll keep those posts very brief, in order to help you maintain a good flow in the threads, and not inundate any with long posts like some others have done and still do.

I trust that everyone will try to control themselves.

BLOG ADMIN Replied:
Glad to hear it. I want you to be able to post here. It's important that your voice be heard, too. And...it's important that everyone be able to protect their anonymity. Even the admin.

Thanks

onthestreet said...

I will go so far as to edit my characterization of Atar:

Street asked that slippery atar-roof of an administra-tor' to delete the slip ups, not knowing that she was actually looking only for a pretext to attack.

onthestreet said...

Hey, we all have a destiny. What is our destiny? We all have a place prepared and ready. There are three degrees, and he went and prepared a place for you: Three degrees of heaven, and three degrees of hell, for a total of nine. Let me see, my fingers a flyin. . . Yah, nine total (modern math).

The outer planets are three degrees of hell: Telestial glories, whence you are bound, and that according to the word. For the Gospel was offered to you, and you rejected him. The middle planets are the three terrestrial globes, whence the heathen is bound, according to the word, not yet having been offered The Plan. The inner planets are Celestial candidates, three degrees of heaven. There, you have a total of one (very modern math).

Perdition is beyond the glories, or outer darkness, unorganized realms. These too are places prepared for those who knew, and yet rejected it. Yet, there are those who were in line to receive, and received it not, but would have if given the opportunity. They will have that opportunity, and the kingdom they would have received.

Many places for many peoples. So everyone is put in their place, as events now begin to show. Don’t like it? Oh well, I didn’t like kindergarten either. Far too advanced for me, in things backwards.

HardHeaded said...

Street, I feel better towards you now that you outlined the specifics of your promise. I thought you were to post here and only here but now I know I was wrong. As for all the talk on planets and stuff, I can respect your beliefs, and I'm sure if you truly believe it and live by it, you will find peace in your convictions. That is the reason I will be true to my convictions, my beliefs, because if we all do what we feel is right without treading on the agency of mankind, then this life won't be for nothing. No matter how wrong you think everyone else is.

ATAR_i said...

I put OTS promise up on the website for everyone to see.

Having a special area (I don't have my own) he agreed to post there and ONLY there. AND he understood posting elsewhere gets his area deleted.

I kept my part of the bargain. I made the area, and deleted it when he posted elsewhere. This is what we both agreed to.

I was a WOMAN OF MY WORD, and DID WHAT I SAID I WOULD DO.

I'D Like to see things OTS's way - I just can't get my head that far up my ass.

Anonymous said...

iT APEARS THAT THIS WEB ADMINISTRATION IS LIKE THE LAW. IF YOU SIGN THIS PAPER, TO AGREE TO MY DISHONEST RULE, YOU CAN STILL HAVE YOUR FREEDOM. IF YOU DO NOT, WELL, WE ARE LIKE A CHILD; WE ONLY TOLERATE DISHONESTY IN OURSELFS.

ATAR_i said...

What dishonest rule?

It's was an agreement - and OTS agreed to it so he could get his own area - a bargain so to speak. I'll give you my blender if you promise to make me a fruit smoothie once a week. It is.....what it is.

I'm not a web log administrator - I deleted the area I created for OTS.

I can do that (so could you if you had the cajones to sign up).

I can't delete anyone elses posts, or anyone elses area - but I can delete the ones I create. And anyone who become a member can create their own, and delete their own.

So here's some virtual cheese for your whine. Get some cajones, sign up and become a member and stop clogging up the airwaves with all your hormonal rantings.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I am beginning to like you a little. Maybe you are not as dishonest as the government. Talk of Hormonal ravings. It is you gentile people who can not handle an insult. I have heard them from the likes of you, all my life. I have barley begun to speak. And I like the Idea of being anonimous. I do not like to be threatened to have to post my Identity, so people can hate me, for no other reason, that I am a Fundimental Morman. If you made a deal with street to keep her posts on one page, that is your deal, but what conjured up the deal. There are a lot that have said a lot worse than her.

ATAR_i said...

Gentile <---- a pagan or heathen.

Where? I am not a gentile.

Get an alias - do you really think my name is Atari?

What conjured up the deal? Street was spamming - and so posts were being deleted. Having an area gave Street a place where he/she could spam away and no one would delete the posts. Sort of like giving a naughty child who liked to color all over the walls, a special room where he could color all over the walls (but only if he promised not to color on the walls of all the other rooms). You can't have it both ways - but Street wanted to, and kept coming out of his special room to draw all over the walls and make messes.

Personally, I don't see why he/she should have an area - and I think it should be deleted - because Street posts wherever he/she wants to anyway.

I wouldn't hate you because your FLDS - I like Sting, Antique, Faithful and others who I know are FLDS.

I DON'T like people who make excuses for the bad behavior of others and who don't take responsibility for themselves.

So - get an alias - and take some responsibility for your posts.

Anonymous said...

I think the "anonymous" a couple of the anonymous posts above sound an awful lot like Street.
Baby Jane

HardHeaded said...

Atari.......YOU GO GIRL!!!

onthestreet said...

IMMACULATE CONCEPTION Posts
(From Stop Polygabuse Aimoo Forum)

Onthestreet
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Someone said that the Past is about experience and knowledge, the Future about planning and dreams, but the Present is for living. Then they said that it's time for those evicted to get their head above the sand and start living, and to get off their soap box.

Every critic of life and the creation of life is the one on their soap box. Talk about the experience and knowledge of the past. The fundamental latter day saints go back 170 years in experience and knowledge of what counts: LIFE. No, they go back 6,000 years, to Eden where Adam and his WIVES initiated life on the planet. The old ancient texts declare it, if you really had the mind to read it. There were Eve and Lillith, and several others names, plus a community of wives unnamed, and Eve means "many". Talk about the planning and dreams of the future! Who has more planning to do, and more future to plan, than a man with a few thousand wives and a few million or billion children. Pray, tell!

You all say that you'll respect peoples' rights to practice 'polygamy' as you call it. THEN DO IT. Respect their right to bring forth life, rather than kill it, which is a formal policy of the law of monogabuse culture. Don't just give it lip service. And who says procreating with girls anxious to fulfill their God-given right to fulfill life and to give life is a crime, except people like you who's respect for rights is only lip service. Not to mention girls who are not touched by the filthy hands that predominate in monogabuse society when they conceive. The pure FLDS practice of procreation was revealed in open court by Ruth Stubbs and others, when she was asked if Rodney Holm had sex with her at one point, and she replied: "No, it was artificial insemination." If that abuses girls' rights to bring forth life, to do it like the best horsebreeders do for purebreds, then we'd hate to see your brand of girls' rights: Maybe just leave them barren for a few more years or decades while billions of spirits languish for a body, and while billions of vacant acres remain unused on the earth. Or maybe plant the seed, and then kill the child, like they do predominantly in monogabuse, sanctioned by LAW. Don't tell us girls about girls' rights. You know nothing about it, let alone the fate of the earth or the cosmology of the heavens. I suggest you monygs go get an education, a REAL education, not the crap they stuff down you in the universal farce of your universities, leaving you to slave at minimum wage with degree in hand, you poor slobs. And now your government is blessing you with the shipment of millions of your jobs oversees, and even terrorism to match the terror of your abortion policy. That's the LAW, and by god the law must be upheld, RIGHT? So, go kill all the children, because that's the LAW. You monygs really do lack an education, to say nothing of a culture or a law, or a leg to stand on.

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on the street
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You know "on the street" the more I read you posts the more evident that you really are devoid of the true understanding of freedom which is my biggest peeve about your little community. It's really kinda of sad. The only freedom that you understand is the freedom to forfeit your freedom and accept whatever BS that's been thrown at you. You do realize that it's very easy to do that to kids who live in a closed society. Think about it. I live in the same country that you do, and what do think my reaction would be if some guy, calling himself a prophet of God, knocked on my door and told me to get out and leave my wife and kids to some other guy? ...I'd laugh at him and needless to say, have the police haul his sorry ass away. You just can't do that kind of stuff in a free society, unless of course you give up your freedom.

Instead of ranting back at me, let me ask you a simple question about life, your life. When and what was the last time something you did or happened to you that made you happy or just made you feel really good about yourself? You know something that gives a feeling of self worth and/or personal pride? ...after that, we'll talk.
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If "some prophet" did so and so, you'd do this, and you'd do that. Well, young man, if you can be called that. You is you (stung), and I is I (on the street, a travelin). And as Forrest Gump would say, "That's all there is about that." But I'll entertain you a little, if you must. You talk about understanding freedom! On the street a travelin is about as free as one can be, and the whole community traveled, if you recall, all the way to Texas (the most faithful and loyal did anyway). All the others are still learning, unlike most gentiles in the land that taxes you to death and seduces you to hell, and you call free. As you say, then: "It's really kinda sad."

You say: "If some guy, calling himself a prophet of God, knocked on my door and told me to get out and leave my wife and kids to some other guy? ...I'd laugh at him and needless to say, have the police haul his sorry ass away. You just can't do that kind of stuff in a free society, unless of course you give up your freedom."

So, like I say: You is you, and I is I. God has always directed men to sacrifice their sins, to get out, and repent. Then you are free. But the wicked have always laughed him to his face, mocking God. You just can't do that, my little man, in a free society, unless you yourself give up your freedom. So that is what you've done. It's really kinda sad. So why rant about life, the life of others, when you are in such a sorry state. Finally, the last time something really made me happy was NOW, waking up to the light of day, talking to you all, my fellow man, and hopefully influencing some of you to be as happy as I am, especially about being associated with ONE MAN, Warren Jeffs, in one man, Jesus Christ. It fills me with endless joy. There you have it.

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God used to require from his servants much more than just polygamy.

He used to withhold rain unless someone from his holy order sacrificed an innocent child or even a beautiful virgin. If a person had any type of skin disease they were not worthy to be in the presence of God. If your neighbor poked your eye out, it was your God given right to poke out theirs. Some people in the world seen these selfish beliefs for what they really were (not divinely inspired). These observant individuals began to progress and grow much faster than the devout superstitious folk.
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Okay Tango, let's Tango:

What's this! You complaining about God, your creator? So, the fact that he so harshly REQUIRED a savior to actually die, even though he was innocent, withholding the "rain" (parable for the knowledge or mysteries of life, the dew from heaven), and the fact that he, God, had the audacity to ask a highly contagious disease to not pollute His holy throne, my god: CRUCIFY! CRUCIFY! What audacity for the God of heaven to be so cruel and outragious, to prevent pip-squeeks from sitting on His throne and destroying His heaven. CRUCIFY! CRUCIFY!

I won't even comment on the rest of your RANT!

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After America could use the contributions of all of it's citizens, she began to leave the other nations of the world behind in nearly every aspect. We would like to see polygamy done away with because it is a parasite on civilization. It belongs to the barbarous ages along with human sacrifice and eye for an eye doctrines.
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I will say this, for your imminent instruction and entertainment.: You say that all this giving of life (in plural marriage), and replenishing the earth as God directs, "is a parasite on civilization." Actually, as you become mature a little, and know the truth of the matter, you finally come to know: It is a paradise on civilization. When you can hate a parasite, you become the parasite, you have polluted the land, and God will sweep the land clean. Oh, such a harsh God, and so sad for so many.

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Okay Tango, let's Tango:

What's this! You complaining about God, your creator? So, the fact that he so harshly REQUIRED a savior to actually die, even though he was innocent, withholding the "rain" (parable for the knowledge or mysteries of life, the dew from heaven), and the fact that he, God, had the audacity to ask a highly contagious disease to not pollute His holy throne, my god: CRUCIFY! CRUCIFY! What audacity for the God of heaven to be so cruel and outragious, to prevent pip-squeeks from sitting on His throne and destroying His heaven. CRUCIFY! CRUCIFY!

I won't even comment on the rest of your RANT!
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Are you the crazy bag lady down by crossroads mall? j/k

Rant- (1)To speak in a loud, violent, or extravagant language; rave. (2)To utter in a ranting manner-Declamatory and bombastic talk.

Let me know if I need to define declamatory, bombastic, or extravagant. If not, then compare the above definition to both of our posts.

Since my point slipped by you, let me simplify. All through time, people have claimed to know what God wanted, and it hasn't been consistent. From ancient Aztec's throwing their babies into a well in order to get God to raise the level of water to the Hawaaii'ans throwing beautiful virgins into a volcano to satiate God's enormous appetite, to modern Mormon Fundamentalists ideas of Blood Atonement, or even Joseph Smith's law's of virgin sacrifice. All of these arbitrary, and extreme superstitions have severely hindered human progress throughout history. Galileo was nearly put to death for suggesting a heliocentric solar system, because everybody knew that God had created the Earth as the central point of the universe.

Now what I want from you is a logical and deductive explanation of why your situation is different.
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.....Finally, the last time something really made me happy was NOW, waking up to the light of day, talking to you all, my fellow man, and hopefully influencing some of you to be as happy as I am, especially about being associated with ONE MAN, Warren Jeffs, in one man, Jesus Christ. It fills me with endless joy. There you have it.
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...that's not what I meant, but it was what I expected. God gave us a brain, and a conscience, I somehow believe he expected us to use it. You see, with greater self worth and esteem you gain the strength to resist the temptations and evils of the world. You learn the importance of the love and charities of life over the squanders of material and self indulgences. Your religion is one that chooses submission over strength. You run and hide from the rest of the world while blindly excepting the protection from a select few. I sure you won't agree, but then I really can't blame you either. If I grew up in your town I'd probably be the same as you. I only can wish, but even for only a few moments, I could lend you my eyes and let you see the outside world for what it really is rather than just what you've been told.

BTW I'm not such a young man. I'm about the same age as your buddy Jeffs. I'm married to a lovely women and have two of the most beautiful young children in the world. I've no means lived a perfect live nor a charmed life, but I think I did a pretty good job none the less. In many ways I feel blessed, but also in many ways I feel I earned my own happiness. When it comes to my life, I have many to thank and no one to blame except for myself and I like it that way.
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Reply to : on the street.....Finally, the last time something really made me happy was NOW, waking up to the light of day, talking to you all, my fellow man, and hopefully influencing some of you to be as happy as I am, especially about being associated with ONE MAN, Warren Jeffs, in one man, Jesus Christ. It fills me with endless joy. There you have it....that's not what I meant, but it was what I expected. God gave us a brain, anda conscience, I somehow believe he expected us to use it. You see, with greater self worth and esteem you gain the strength to resist the temptations and evils of the world. You learn the importance of the love and charities of lifeover the squanders
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Well said Stung

One thing that "insiders" never seem to realize is that some of us have seen the world through both sides. It is a truly amazing thing to throw off the welders goggles to see a bright, clear world, and a funny thing to remember when I refused to look.
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HAVE YOU GOOD PEOPLE CONSIDERED YOUR OWN TOUNG'S. I HAVE BEEN ON THE STREET. ON THE STREET IS ON THE STREET. WE HAVE SEEN YOUR WORLD. YOU ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS WARREN JEFFS. YOU BASE YOUR JUDGEMENT ON GOSSIP AND LIES. IT IS LIKE THIS; IN THE HOSPITAL, THESE POOR SMOKE INFESTED SOUL'S, WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT, AND BEG AND BEG AND BEG, AND BEG, AND BEG, TO SMOKE A CIGERET, AND THEN THE CLOCK STRIKES THE HOUR AND THEY GO OUT AND IN HALE, AND IN HALE, AND IN HALE, AND CALL IT A SMOKE BREAK. ON THE OTHER HAND, I SANG, PACHED THERE PANCE, TOLD STORIES, AND WHEN IT GOT TIME TO INHALE, THO THEY HAD A CHOICE TO SAY NO TO THE AFFECT'S OF CIGERETT'S, I DID NOT, SO I PLAYED BASKET BALL, TO BEAT THE BAND, AND WHEN I WENT IN, I HAD WORKED OF THE AFFECT'S OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SAY NO TO DRUG'S, BUT THEY HAD TO CHOKE AND GASP AND CHATTER, TO HAVE THE ENERGY TO START ALL OVER AGAIN, AND THEY WOULD LOOK LONGINGLY, FOR A BED TO OPEN UP, IN THE DRUG REHAB PLACE, BUT THE GOVERNMENT HAD NOT WENT THOUGH THE RED TAPE YET, I FRANKLY, JUST SKIPPED THE RED TAPE, AND FOLLOED MY BRAIN, AND WARREN JEFFS TO MY FREEDOM DAY. GOOD DAY, OH AND BY THE WAY, GOD GAVE ME THE FREE AGENCY AND THE RIGHT TO LOVE A MAN. I DO, NATERALLY, SINCE I AM A WOMEN. SEE YOU LATER, MY LITTLE ONE'S. RUTH

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AND MY FREIND'S I LOVE TO TANGO. IF YOU LOOK VERY CLOSE AT THE GROUND, AND ON THE SIDE WALK, AND ALONG THE ROAD, THE WORM HAS DIED. THE RAIN HAS DRENCED IT. THE TREE'S DO GROW. WOW! WHAT A RANT. I LOVE THIS WARREN JEFFS WHO HOLD'S THE NOTE TO MY SKIES. I LOVE THIS WARREN JEFFS WHO, PUT'S COLOR'S ACROSS MY EYE'S. I LOVE THIS WARREN JEFFS WHO HOLDS MY HEART, AND KEEP'S MY DREAM'S ALIVE. I SHALL DANCE WITH HIM IN THE HEAVEN'S. I SHALL DANCE WITH HIM IN THE EARTH. I SHALL BUILD AND BUILD, UPON THE HOPES IN ME ALIVE. HOW'S THAT FOR A SONG. LET'S TRY THAT AGAIN, IT FELT SO GOOD. IN THE HEAVEN'S ARE THE REIN'S, IN THE MOUNTAIN IS THE RIVER, IN THE VALLY IS THE SOIL, THAT DOES GROW FOR YOU AND ME. IN THE HEAVEN'S GOD DOES SMILE, AND THE ANGLE'S SING ALONG. THE CHILDREN IN THE HOUSES, AND WOMEN WORE SKIRT'S ALL ALONG. MEN WERE OUR HERO'S AND WE LOVED THEM ALL DAY LONG. KEEP THE NOTE, IN YOUR POCKET, TO BE SANG IN THE TWILIGHT DAY, IT IS THE RAIN, FALLS UPON US, AND OUR DESERT, SHORE, AND THO, YOU B------------- OH, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN AN ITCH---------YOU CAN NOT TAX THE WEATHER MAN. THINK OF THAT. YOU CAN TAX EACH OTHER, ALL DAY LONG, BUT MY FRIEND, MY FOE, NO MATTER, YOU CAN NOT TAX THE WEATHER MAN. HE HOLD'S THE KEY OF FREEDOM, IN YUR POCKET SONG.

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OH, I FORGOT SOMETHING; DROP THIS FLORADITED FLORIDATED FLORA-B-------------------------ICH---------------AND THE CANY CANDADITED PARAMODIXIDED SITTICITED, CHILDPERVERSIONITED PASIONITED-B-------------------ITCH WITH A CANDY FLINGING DITCH.

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Reply to Tango: You said:

Since my point slipped by you, let me simplify. All through time, people have claimed to know what God wanted, and it hasn't been consistent. From ancient Aztec's throwing their babies into a well in order to get God to raise the level of water to the Hawaaii'ans throwing beautiful virgins into a volcano to satiate God's enormous appetite, to modern Mormon Fundamentalists ideas of Blood Atonement, or even Joseph Smith's law's of virgin sacrifice. All of these arbitrary, and extreme superstitions have severely hindered human progress throughout history. Galileo was nearly put to death for suggesting a heliocentric solar system, because everybody knew that God had created the Earth as the central point of the universe.

Now what I want from you is a logical and deductive explanation of why your situation is different.
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Well Tango, your point is a point, simplified or not. It hasn't slipped me at all. But, I'll follow up with you a little, it you must: You speak of the sacrifice of children in certain cultures, to appease God, and other inconsistencies. First of all, the killing of children never appeased the true God of heaven, the God we worship in the FLDS Church, but is only a darkened culture or cult appeasing a false God, the devil himself. So what we do is not inconsistent at all. The FLDS Church is the foremost to decry such "false traditions", as we have called them throughout our history. It is only dogs barking up the wrong tree, so get your facts straight. Savages have done outragious things throughout history, but you can't stick such charges to the FLDS. Quite the opposite, when you consider THE FACTS, vs media and activist fantacies and perversions of the truth. And here are the facts:

1. Between "polygamists" and monogamists, which culture brings forth more life, or the creation of children. By their very definition, "poly" is many, and mono is one. Get it? Half the nations of the earth practice polygamy,and billions of it people practice it (that's spelled with a "B"). Just look at the census statistics, and you'll see it.

2. Conversely, between poly and mono, which culture practices birth control or the prevention of life, and in fact child murder the most, monogamy or polygamy? You know the truth, and so does everyone else. Birth control and the abortion or sacrifice of innocent children to a false god is the very law and policy and practice of the monogamists, and thus the true application of the term "abuse", in monogabuse, to the tune of 40-million dead children because of you monogamists. What is more abusive that taking their lives, vs the polygamy practive of giving life, and that abundantly.

3. So then, who is guilty of such outragious inconsistencies and crimes against humanity! The guilty simply spout off from their soap boxes to enrage their egos and try to cover up their guilt, their crimes, and shift them onto someone else.

Now, you have gotten what you asked for, "A logical and deductive explanation of why our situation is different, and this is only one example out of hundreds. You is black, and we is white.

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Reply to Tango: You said:Since my point slipped by you, let me simplify.All through time, people have claimed to know what God wanted, and it hasn't been consistent. From ancient Aztec's throwing their babies into a well in order to get God to raise the level of water to the Hawaaii'ans throwing beautiful virgins into a volcano to satiate God's enormous appetite, to modern Mormon Fundamentalists ideas of Blood Atonement, or even Joseph Smith's law's of virgin sacrifice. All of these arbitrary, and extreme superstitions have severely hindered human progress throughout history. Galileo was nearly put to death for suggesting a heliocentric solar system, because everybody knew that God had created the Earth as the central point of the universe.Now what I want from you is a logical and d
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Aaahhh, much better. In the short time that I have been reading posts on this website, this is the first pro polyg argument I have seen that can be called structured.

Now, let me start with your introduction: I asked you to explain why you were different from these "savages", and you gave me a fairly structured response, the problem is a fallacy of circular reasoning throughout. This means that you are using the premise ( your righteousness) to prove your conclusion (that you are righteous). In other words you call other fanatics savages and proclaim your way the right way, all the while using the same modes of justification as the savages. In a sound argument a conclusion can only follow logically supporting premises, they cannot be the same thing.

You say my other examples were just barking up the wrong tree, or you accuse them of "false traditions" but you give no base reason why the same could not be said about you save for the weak, circular reasoning. We are right because you are wrong just doesn't cut it.

In your first point the implication is; bringing forth life is righteous, and more life = more righteous. Using this reasoning we must realize that cockroaches are among the most righteous beings on earth (disregarding bacterium of course). One other question with this paragraph; which census report did you get the billions figure from? Since there are about 6 billion total people on earth, I am not quite sure I believe this statistic.

As for point number 2, I have a hard time believing that anybody is having abortion's or using contraceptives for the sake of any God, false or otherwise. I would be extremely surprised if the per capita ratio of abuse is higher in monogomous societies than in polygamist communities. After all, those are huge numbers that you gave us for polyg practicers. Since I am a former fundamentalist I understand the beliefs of contraception and the importance of getting souls to Earth. However I now believe that quality of life is much more moral than quantity of life. After reading this 2nd point and remembering some of your comments on artificial insemination I have a question for you. Is your God going to judge you differently for not using artificial insemination (if you havn't already), than he would judge someone who uses birth control? I ask this because I know that you know how important it is to get as many souls here as possible. Just think how many spirits have lost out that you could have brought to earth. Maybe it should be standard practice to begin this procedure on all middle school girls (or the one's who should be in school).

My rebuttal to point 3 is obvious enough so I won't bother since it would wander from the overall point.

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Someone said that the Past is about experience and knowledge, the Future about planning and dreams, but the Present is for living. Then they said that it's time for those evicted to get their head above the sand and start living, and to get off their soap box. Every critic of life and the creation of life is the one on their soap box. Talk about the experience and knowledge of the past. The fundamental latter day saints go back 170 years in experience and knowledge of what counts: LIFE. No, they go back 6,000 years, to Eden where Adam and his WIVES initiated life on the planet. The old ancient texts declare it, if you really had the mind to read it. There were Eve and Lillith, and several

I will never respect polygamy or those who live it. Polygamy denigrades women and it's against the law. That's why nearly 200 countries have outlawed polygamy and the United States is morally bound to the UN agreement. Jesus had a lot to say in his lifetime, but he never said a word about polygamy. And Jesus was the son of God!! I think it's absurd that all these deluded, so-called christians, think they have to be polygamists to get to heaven. There isn't a single polygamist in heaven and there never will be. Polygamy is a joke and anyone who practices it is an ignorant person with low moral standards. I think they should deport all polygamists to the middle east where they can live with their third-world equals.
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AND MY LITTLE ONE'S, AS ON THE STREET POINTED OUT, THERE ARE MILLION'S MORE ANGLES, FOR ME TO USE, AND SINCE THEY WERE MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PICK UP THE SORD. AND SINCE CELESTIAL, LAW PROTECT'S US, AND THEM BECAUSE WE UPHOLD THE TRUE JUSTACE OF GOD, YOU HAVE AN EXTREME SHORTAGE OF DEVIL'S TO DEFEND YOU, BUT THEN, THAT IS WHAT THEY, THE DEVIL'S WANTED TO DO.

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I will never respect polygamy or those who live it. Polygamy denigrades women and it's against the law. That's why nearly 200 countries have outlawed polygamy and the United States is morally bound to the UN agreement. Jesus had a lot to say in his lifetime, but he never said a word about polygamy. And Jesus was the son of God!! I think it's absurd that all these deluded, so-called christians, think they have to be polygamists to get to heaven. There isn't a single polygamist in heaven and there never will be. Polygamy is a joke and anyone who practices it is an ignorant person with low moral standards. I think they should deport all polygamists to the middle east where they can live with their third-world equals.
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Your Lord never said a word about polygamy? Look deeper, if you're capable. It's all over the place; it's all over the entire universe of the Bible, and especially the very words of Christ. But then, you seem to have a serious lapse of memory. I spoke in parables. Therefore, to you, he never said a word, just as it should be. The Celestial order of marriage (not polygamy, but indeed many wives), is too sacred to "say alot about it" in the crude language of fallen man. I can show it where Christ said ALOT about it, from the beginning of his ministry to the end, if I wasn't dealing with such a sacred law among crude (but upcoming) intelligences. So I'll save it to a later post (if at all).

However, consider his actions. Action speaks louder than words, and what did your Saviour do? He was the purest man who ever lived, and what did he do! He had WOMEN all around him, caressing him, and fondling him with their hair, and so on. OH MY GOST! How crude of our Saviour to have familial ties with many women. He even took us into the house of two of his wives, Mary and Martha, to show the domestic place of wives. Now, you can twist it any way you want, but the Saviour of the world had many women. WHY? What greater duty would he fulfill than the first commandment to man: "Multiply and replenish the earth, and subdue it." He came to fulfill the law of the Lord, not to shove it aside. He also said of children: Let children come (to earth), for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven. So the more the marrier, and not to breed as cockroaches and bacteria, as Tango suggested. That too exposes the nature of his breeding, but just because he's that way doesn't mean that all mankind is that low. That wouldn't stand to any logic or reason.

Now, the false tradition of the world can't handle that, granted. False tradition? Well, what else does the scripture say: The devil in the last days will deceive ALL NATIONS. Consider yourselves deceived. Maybe I will send you all a lesson on basic logic, or philosophy. Maybe that will help your reasoning a little, and raise your conscience out of the dirt, skyward. I will consider that.

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I will never respect polygamy or those who live it. Polygamy denigrades women and it's against the law. Yoohoo: Your Lord was against the LAW: That's why they crucified him. He was always doing things "against the law," REMEMBER? So, do you join with the Pharasees and Sadusees (the pharces and the sads), in crucifying your Lord anew? We'll, he's about to return in judgement. Good luck.

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You all say that you'll respect peoples' rights to practice 'polygamy' as you call it. THEN DO IT. Respect their right to bring forth life, rather than kill it, which is a formal policy of the law of monogabuse culture. Don't just give it lip service.
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Hey, they can practice polygamy and have a plethora of "wives" and a multiltude of children. But DON'T MAKE ME, AS A LAW ABIDING TAX PAYER, FOOT THE BILL FOR THEM.

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And who says procreating with girls anxious to fulfill their God-given right to fulfill life and to give life is a crime, except people like you who's respect for rights is only lip service.
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Give the young girsl a choice. That is only fair. Ask them is they are "anxious to fulfill their God-given right" as you call it. And, if they are NOT, then leave them alone and don't force them into becoming a child bride. And, if they are then ask them if they would prefer to "fulfill their God-given right" with a handsome young man close to their own age, instead of some gross old guy old enough to be their grandfather. They at least deserve that.

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The pure FLDS practice of procreation was revealed in open court by Ruth Stubbs and others, when she was asked if Rodney Holm had sex with her at one point, and she replied: "No, it was artificial insemination."
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That "Turkey Baster" idea must be pretty common. I recall William Black used that excuse, too to try ot prove that he had not raped Beth and Roberta Stubbs who had children by him when one was 14 and the other was 15. Interesting fertility clinic they have there in Hildale, Utah.

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That "Turkey Baster" idea must be pretty common. I recall William Black used that excuse, too to try ot prove that he had not raped Beth and Roberta Stubbs who had children by him when one was 14 and the other was 15. Interesting fertility clinic they have there in Hildale, Utah.
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Artificial contraception is a sin but artificial insemination? that's ok...hmmm I'm trying to find "Turkey Baster" in the bible... no luck, can anyone help me out?
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I suggest you monygs go get an education, a REAL education, not the crap they stuff down you in the universal farce of your universities, leaving you to slave at minimum wage with degree in hand, you poor slobs. ... You monygs really do lack an education, to say nothing of a culture or a law, or a leg to stand on.
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Well, I would rather work for minumum wage than to "Bleed the Beast" and commit welfare fraud. Yes, we may indeed be the "poor slobs" because liars and cheats like you are stealing our governments blind. So, I may be poor, but I am proud to look myself in the mirror and know that I am not a crook. I am not stealing my income from the taxpayers who have been suckered in by the fraud being commited in the name of your "religion". And, I did get an education that was more than being used as a child labor slave for building up the Kingdom of God for polygamists who break the law.

So, don't preach to me about "a culture or a law, or a leg to stand on" because I live within the law and that provides my honorable leg to stand on.

Go take a look in the mirror and ask yourself - deep down inside - if your are rightous; if you are law abiding; if you are not "Bleeding the Beast".

Then come back to this forum and lets talk about it.

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WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE STATE TAX, KEEP IN MIND LITTLE ONE'S, JUST WHERE THE GOVERNMENT GET'S ITS MONEY, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU DO NOT NEED A LITTLE SILVER TO KEEP THE SUNSHINING, AND YOU DO NOT NEED PAPER, TO EAT WITH EXCEPT OF COURSE, TO WIPE YOUR BUT, BUT, GOD SEND'S THE RAIN, TO THE RIGHOUTES.. AND IT IS OUR HAND'S THAT TILL THE EARTH.

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AND CATTLE NETTLE, AND JIM-A-HIDE, I HAVE A BROTHER, OUT IN CANDY LAND. HE LEFT, BECAUSE HE DEFENDED ME. AND TOLD ME TO FORGIVE. HE HAS A PLACE UPON MY DESERT SAND. A RIVER GREW IN THE MOUNTAIN'S TALL, AND A RIVER FALL. MY SON NATHAN, UPON A CHAIR, AND NATHAN HALE, IN PHOENIX LAND. CANDY PANDY, THAT IF YOU CAN.

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AND THE TURKEY BASTER IS EASY, SEEM'S SOME TOOT THERE OWN HORN TOO. IN THE LOG HOUSE, DOWN THE LANE, MAR, MAR, MAR, MAR, CAN CROW, A BIT TOO. FLOA,DITED,FLORA,HORE, WHERE CANDY LAND, IS A CHORE. BUT HIS CHILDREN, SIG A TUN OR TOO, THO HE THINK'S TO BE HID. I INVITED HIM FOR TEA, A LONG TIME AGO, AND HE SHOWED HIS COLOR'S TRUE. WARREN HAD HIM PGGED A LOG TIME AGO, TIME, TO PAY THE PIPPER, MAN. WHAT YOU ALSO DID, TO THE CAROLINE.

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Reply to : Laudy Laudy Laud: You said:I will never respect polygamy or those who live it. Polygamy denigrades women and it's against the law. That's why nearly 200 countries have outlawed polygamy and the United States is morally bound to the UN agreement. Jesus had a lot to say in his lifetime,but he never said a word about polygamy. And Jesus was the son of God!! I think it's absurd that all these deluded, so-called christians, think they have to be polygamists to get to heaven. There isn't a single polygamist in heaven and there never will be. Polygamy is a joke and anyone who practices it is an ignorant person with low moral standards. I think they should deport all polygamists to the middle east where they can live with their third-world equals.Your Lo
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You told us the first commandment to man was, "Multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it." At the time it was given the earth was pretty empty. It looks to me like the earth has been replenished (with people). That commandment has been obeyed.

One definition of replenish is; to bring back to fullness or completeness, as supplies. Now that the earth is replenished with people we need to make sure we replenish its resources as we use them, if possible. If the population keeps growing like it is (especially in polygamous communities) how can we replenish our earth.

How many people need to be on the earth before you think it's replenished?
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HAVE YOU GOOD PEOPLE CONSIDERED YOUR OWN TOUNG'S. I HAVE BEEN ON THE STREET. ON THE STREET IS ON THE STREET. WE HAVE SEEN YOUR WORLD. YOU ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS WARREN JEFFS. YOU BASE YOUR JUDGEMENT ON GOSSIP AND LIES. IT IS LIKE THIS; IN THE HOSPITAL, THESE POOR SMOKE INFESTED SOUL'S, WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT, AND BEG AND BEG AND BEG, AND BEG, AND BEG, TO SMOKE A CIGERET, AND THEN THE CLOCK STRIKES THE HOUR AND THEY GO OUT AND IN HALE, AND IN HALE, AND IN HALE, AND CALL IT A SMOKE BREAK. ON THE OTHER HAND, I SANG, PACHED THERE PANCE, TOLD STORIES, AND WHEN IT GOT TIME TO INHALE, THO THEY HAD A CHOICE TO SAY NO TO THE AFFECT'S OF CIGERETT'S, I DID NOT, SO I PLAYED BASKET BALL, TO BEAT THE BAND, AND WHEN I WENT IN, I HAD WORKED OF THE AFFECT'S OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SAY NO TO DRUG'S, BUT THEY HAD TO CHOKE AND GASP AND CHATTER, TO HAVE THE ENERG
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Ruth

Did you know that there was a "Caps Lock" key on your keyboard and that when it is on all of the letters are in upper case? And that in the email world is considered shouting? I have always seen you in a calm manner in person. Could you please consider not shouting on line?

I respect your ability to do better, no matter what you form of encouragement you have looked to. I am glad that you can say that WJ has helped you and I know others who say they have helped them in similar situations. But that seems to be the only heart he has. HE HAS RIPPED MORE LOVING FAMILIES APPART THAN HE HAS HELPED ABUSED/DEPRESSED WOMEN.

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That "Turkey Baster" idea must be pretty common. I recall William Black used that excuse, too to try ot prove that he had not raped Beth and Roberta Stubbs who had children by him when one was 14 and the other was 15. Interesting fertility clinic they have there in Hildale, Utah.
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I think the turkey baster was all William Black, not Ruth Stubbs at all. Someone got their stories mixed up.
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Reply to : Laudy Laudy Laud: By the way, you also said:I will never respect polygamy or those who live it. Polygamy denigrades women and it's against the law. Yoohoo: Your Lord was against the LAW: That's why they crucified him. He was always doing things "against the law," REMEMBER? So, do you join with the Pharasees and Sadusees (the pharces and the sads), in crucifying your Lord anew? We'll, he's about to return in judgement. Good luck.
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I hate to tell you this but your reasoning is flawed. First of all, Jesus never mentioned polygamy and he was supposedly the son of God. In CC they think you need 3 wives to reach the Celestial kingdom. Now if that were really true, don't you think jesus would have mentioned it.

And yes, laws change over time and some folks have been abused by bad laws. Look at the women's rights movement and black liberation. This is just part of history, but if you study your history well, you will find that religion, and especially christians have killed more innocent folks than anyone else. That's because they don't really practice what jesus said about love and forgiveness. they just do whatever they want to benefit themselves, and men are always running the show. It's just a bunch of bullshit if you ask me.

I was raised in a polygamous sect, so I know a good bit about it.
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Ruth

Did you know that there was a "Caps Lock" key on your keyboard and that when it is on all of the letters are in upper case? And that in the email world is considered shouting? I have always seen you in a calm manner in person. Could you please consider not shouting on line?

I respect your ability to do better, no matter what you form of encouragement you have looked to. I am glad that you can say that WJ has helped you and I know others who say they have helped them in similar situations. But that seems to be the only heart he has. HE HAS RIPPED MORE LOVING FAMILIES APPART THAN HE HAS HELPED ABUSED/DEPRESSED WOMEN.

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You said: HE HAS RIPPED MORE LOVING FAMILIES . . . Mloribee, them's ALL CAPS. You're shouting! How RUDE! Now, in regards to Ruth shouting. She of all people should be shouting. It's the only way people will really begin to take note, with her at least. After all, you just took note, did you not. Oh, and thank you for acknowleging that Mr. Jeffs has a heart. You're right about that. And now, in regard to HIM (that's a SHOUT) ripping families apart, if you or any man has had your family ripped apart, you're the man of the house are you not. So YOU (shout) ripped your family apart. You did it yourself. After all, did not other men refuse to be ripped, and for the time being they still are a man in their house. Be a man. Give up what family doesn't belong to you because of your own abuses, and get on with your life the best you can. Stop blaming others for your crimes, and then walking away like you're as innocent as a baby's butt.

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TO MY REBUTTLE, POINT THEE; WHEN YOU PLAY CHILDISH GAMES, AND DIG IN OTHER'S WELL, REMEMBER, THE FISH YOU CATCH, MAY BE YOUR OWN, FOR WHY YOUR PIG'S ARE SQUELING, AND MAKING LOT'S OF NOISE, CONSIDER, THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN YOUR NEIGHBOR, THAT CAUGHT YOU BY THE NOSE. AND WHEN YOU TRY TO TAKE AWAY YOUR OWN SILLY HOOK, KEEP IT UNDER YOUR HAT, THAT MAYBE THERE TOUNG WAS FLAPPING, JUST AS YOUR HOOK WAVED IN THE SEE.

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AND THE VIRES IN THE LINE, REMEMBER AS YOU FLAP ABOUT, WHAT YOU GIVE OUT COMES BACK. AND VIRESIS, IN THE CATTLE, CAN FLING SOME MANURE TOO, AS YOU REMEBER YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND HIS VEIW, WHY YOUR LOOKING AT YOUR NEIGHBOR, THEY ARE LOOKING AT YOU, AND WHY YOUR TELLING YOUR TOUBLE, THAY ARE SNITCHING AT YOU----FLORA' -DI'-TID, I-A-DOR. AND WHY WILLIE SWIM'S THE SEA, AND WILLAM AT THE GATE, LOOK, LOOK, LOOK, ABOUT BEFOR IT'S TOO, LATE, FOR ON THE STREET'S OF NOVIA SCOTIA, I MET ONE THAT DAY, AND IN THE SHIP, AT CALIFORNIA, SHORE, THE OTHER, GAVE A CHAIR, AND WHEN THE;Y THOUGHT TO FOLLOW ME, BEST WAY TO KEEP, TRACK OF YOUR ENAMIE, AND IF I HAVE TO GO TO HELL, TO GIVE YOU YOUR DUE, WELL, I KNOW A FEW SMOKER'S THERE TOO, AND IN THE SIDE LINE'S, GHOST'S ARE WAITING TOO, AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE CLOSET, WELL, IT WAS REALY YOUR DEVIL TOO. AND WILLIAM IN THE HOSPITAL, AND WILLIAM IN TEXAS LAND. I KNOW YOUR CONTACT. AND THE HOSPITAL, TEST'S. MICE CAN CARRY A VIRUS TOO, AND THEN THE LIGHT IS ON THAT TOO. IT IS YOUR DEVIL. IT IS YOUR DEVIL, IT IS YOUR DEVIL, IT IS YOUR DIVLE. IT IS YOUR CIVAL, IT IS YOUR DEVIL, BUT REMEMBER, GOD ALSO CAN TELL HIM WHAT TO DO. ARE YOU READY FOR THE REBBBBBBBBB0OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT-TTTT-I----LLLLLLLLLL VI-RA-TATE. AND THE VITAL'S ON YOUR PLATE, MY SPONGE BOB, ROUND CAN OF WORM-A-DITE. AND YOU BUGGER, WITH THE FLITTER, PAPER SHOW, AND THE MOUSE, AND YOUR LIT UP PUPPET SHOW, CAN-DI-DI-TA-DOR-A-TIDE. BETTER GET OUT THE FLORIDE FOR FORM'S OF FOR-MAL-DI-HIDE, AND YOUR CAN-DI-PI-TTLE-DITTLE-ITTED PUPPET SHOW.

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AND MY SISTER DEAR, I HAVE A TAB ON YOU. DID YOU LIKE YOUR WALK, I WAS WALKING TOO. I SAID A RALLY WITH MY FEET, AND PRAYED A TUNE OR TWO. KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE WINDO, AND WHAT OUR LORD TELL'S YOU TO DO. WE HARE HAVING A CITY WIDE, PRAYER CIRCLE. AROUND THE HEAVEN'S TOO. AND THE ANGLE'S WILL BE GUIDING YOU. REMEMBER THIS, WE HAVE THE PEOPLE FROM THE OTHER SIDE, AND THE THREE NEPHITE'S. THE PROPHET, EXTEND'S HIS CURTOSITY, AND BRIGAM, STIR'S THE AIR, KEEP THE RIBBON'S FOR THE FRIEND'S THAT YOU HOLD DEAR, AND KEEP UP YOU PERFECT PRAYER. WE MISS YOU. IN OUR CITY STREET'S MY SISTER DEAR. RUTH

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You said: HE HAS RIPPED MORE LOVING FAMILIES . . . Mloribee, them's ALL CAPS. You're shouting! How RUDE! Now, in regards to Ruth shouting. She of all people should be shouting. It's the only way people will really begin to take note, with her at least. After all, you just took note, did you not. Oh, and thank you for acknowleging that Mr. Jeffs has a heart. You're right about that. And now, in regard to HIM (that's a SHOUT) ripping families apart, if you or any man has had your family ripped apart, you're the man of the house are you not. So YOU (shout) ripped your family apart. You did it yourself. After all, did not other men refuse to be ripped, and for the time being they still are a man in their house. Be a man. Give up what family doesn't belong to you because of your own abuses, and get on with your life the best you can. Stop blaming others for your crimes, and then walking away like you're as innocent as a baby's butt.
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Mloribee2 has committed no crimes. Thats the biggest problem here because Warren Jeffs needs absolutely no reason to kick people out of town and rip their families apart other than the fact that he may not like the color of the dress you are wearing that day (in the case of a woman) or you have too much mud on your shoes (in the case of a man). Its that type of BS that Warren considers to be a sin and a crime. And it is for that sort of minor infraction, that he axes his devoted followers. He puffs himself up and goes bonkers over absolutely NOTHING (intentional shout). Now, is this a kind and loving Prophet? Think about it and remember these words when YOUR TIME ARRIVES TO BE KICKED OUT AND HAVE YOUR FAMILY RIPPED APART FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! (intentional shout).

The most incisive thing you say here is that "for the time being they still are a man in their house." See? Thats my whole point. They are the men in their house FOR THE TIME BEING (intentional shout). After the faithful followers of WJ are kicked out of their houses and then get their OWN FAMILIES RIPPED APART (intentional shout) then they tend to wake up to see how they have been conned by WJ.

Why wait for things to become that drastic. Why don't you WAKE UP NOW BEFORE HE RUINS YOUR FAMILY TOO? (intentional shout).

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...Between "polygamists" and monogamists, which culture brings forth more life, or the creation of children...
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I caught that discreet reference to the cockroaches you made in another post. Don't forget that I used your modes of justification to conclude that roaches are even more divine than your humble self.

If you deny it came from you, look at the quote above. That is the only definition of righteousness that you gave.
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You told us the first commandment to man was, "Multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it." At the time it was given the earth was pretty empty. It looks to me like the earth has been replenished (with people). That commandment has been obeyed.

One definition of replenish is; to bring back to fullness or completeness, as supplies. Now that the earth is replenished with people we need to make sure we replenish its resources as we use them, if possible. If the population keeps growing like it is (especially in polygamous communities) how can we replenish our earth.

How many people need to be on the earth before you think it's replenished?
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Now chraan, ever since you were using crayons in school, you've known your geography of the earth; you've seen the maps, and if you advanced to high-school crayons, you know the statistics as well. The earth is as populated as a flea upon the sea. Out of so many square miles of earth's surface, you will find that less than one-percent (1%) of its surface has any population at all. Out of billions of acres, you will find that only a few million are populated. Maybe I'll look up the source statistics for you, but you KNOW (that's a shout) that it's not the earth that is grossly populated, only the poor overmassing of people in a few cities, while thousands of miles of barren land lie untilled and undeveloped. Just drive out of town, any town, at feast your eyeballs upon it. Then maybe (unlikely), you will believe.

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On Sharey, here's a little light for the North country:

You said: Mloribee2 has committed no crimes. Thats the biggest problem here because Warren Jeffs needs absolutely no reason to kick people out of town and rip their families apart other than the fact that he may not like the color of the dress you are wearing that day (in the case of a woman) or you have too much mud on your shoes (in the case of a man). Its that type of BS that Warren considers to be a sin and a crime. And it is for that sort of minor infraction, that he axes his devoted followers. He puffs himself up and goes bonkers over absolutely NOTHING (intentional shout). Now, is this a kind and loving Prophet? Think about it and remember these words when YOUR TIME ARRIVES TO BE KICKED OUT AND HAVE YOUR FAMILY RIPPED APART FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! (intentional shout).

The most incisive thing you say here is that "for the time being they still are a man in their house." See? Thats my whole point. They are the men in their house FOR THE TIME BEING (intentional shout). After the faithful followers of WJ are kicked out of their houses and then get their OWN FAMILIES RIPPED APART (intentional shout) then they tend to wake up to see how they have been conned by WJ.

Why wait for things to become that drastic. Why don't you WAKE UP NOW BEFORE HE RUINS YOUR FAMILY TOO? (intentional shout).
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Now Sharey, you're right. The prophet needs no reason, any more than God needed no "reason" to try old Job, an innocent man. Yet he tried him, didn't he. God speaks and acts through prophets, in case you didn't know (sharing a little light here). Now, that is a loving prophet, for "God chastens those whom he loves." Hey, it comes straight out of YOUR Bible, so it's true, yes?

By the way, my time came to be kicked out, and it helped me alot to learn love for that man, and the truth that is in him, and the error that was in myself. So yes, some of us tend to wake up to see how we have been conned, but not by someone else, much less a prophet or a God. We conn ourselves, as all critics of good and legitimate chastisement have fully done. On the ruins of Job came greatness.

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AND AS TO THE MATTER OF THE EARTH. THIS IS RIGHT. WE ALL NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, FOR OUR TRASH. WE ARE A RICH NATION. WE NEED TO KEEP OUR COUNTRY RICH, BY TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE. WE CAN PLANT TREE'S AND GOD WILL SEND THE RAIN. HE WILL SEND THE SUN. HE WILL PROVIDE FOR OUR NEED'S. AND IF WE ARE ATTACTED, WELL THERE IS MORE HONOR, IN DIYING FOR WHAT YOU BELEIVE, THAN IT IS TO DIE A COWARD. IN GOD'S HAND IS LIFE.

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Someone said that the Past is about experience and knowledge, the Future about planning and dreams, but the Present is for living. Then they said that it's time for those evicted to get their head above the sand and start living, and to get off their soap box. Every critic of life and the creation of life is the one on their soap box. Talk about the experience and knowledge of the past. The fundamental latter day saints go back 170 years in experience and knowledge of what counts: LIFE. No, they go back 6,000 years, to Eden where Adam and his WIVES initiated life on the planet. The old ancient texts declare it, if you really had the mind to read it. There were Eve and Lillith, and several
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Eve and Lilith? How funny is that. If Adam had more than one wife he was picking monkeys out of trees and naming them. When history doesn't fit, the polygamist rewrites history.

I've talked with so many fundamentalist polygamists from different groups. They all have a little different version of the same old fabricated stories. You folks crack me up.
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Reply to: Chraan:You said:Youtold usthe first commandment to man was, "Multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it." At the time it was given the earth was pretty empty. It looks to me like the earth has been replenished (with people). That commandment has been obeyed.One definition of replenish is; to bring back to fullness or completeness, as supplies. Now that the earth is replenished with people we need to make sure we replenish its resources as we use them, if possible. If the population keepsgrowing like it is (especially in polygamous communities) how can we replenish our earth.How many people need to be on the earth beforeyouthink it's
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There is a lot of empty space and there are usually good reasons for it. Some places are uninhabited because there isn't enough water to support a population. I hope there will always be empty spaces to use for recreation, hunting, camping, etc. I'm sure there are still empty rain forests. Hopefully they won't be populated. Let's save some space for future generations. If we fill it all up now, where will our great-great- grandchildren live.
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There is a lot of empty space and there are usually good reasons for it. Some places are uninhabited because there isn't enough water to support a population. I hope there will always be empty spaces to use for recreation, hunting, camping, etc. I'm sure there are still empty rain forests. Hopefully they won't be populated. Let's save some space for future generations. If we fill it all up now, where will our great-great- grandchildren live.
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You are quite correct. I've read quite a bit about the current state of the planet. It seems to me that we are pretty clearly already populated beyond the capacity for mother earth to continue to sustain us. There are so many of us burning fuel of various types that global warming is starting to affect our climate in ways that will ultimately wipe many of us. Consider:

-Sometimes in recent years you've seen a weird type of sunset in Southern Utah. It's a yellowish haze, like a lingering dust storm, but different from any dust storm in the local area. That is dust that has blown around the world from China, where so much of their land has been desertified by their attempts to feed their huge population.

-The Cod fishery off the New Foundland banks have been a wonderous source of high qualaity sea food for centuries. It seemed like however many fishing boats put out there could fill their holds and bring in as many codfish as they could handle. Now that fishery is gone, and it's not coming back. It seems like the Cod Fish survie because there were billions of them - too many for predators to make much inroads to. But when they were overfished out, they didn't have the capacity to come back. Now the same thing is happening in the North Atlantic. Fishermen have refused to cut back fishing, so it's quite likely they'll disappear there too. Around the world, almost every significant fishery is under tremendous pressure. Fish farming is taking some of the pressure off, but it creates environmental problems of it's own. Ther reality is that the oceans are in a man-made crises.

-Glaciers are disappearing all over the world. Glacier park in Montana has almost no glaciers left. Glaciers melting in Greenland, along with increased flows from Siberian rivers threaten to dampen the force that causes the gulf stream to flow, potentially shutting down the gulf stream. That would switch the climate from disasterous global warming to utterly disasterous ice age level cooling.

-Introduced species are raising hovac with every environment on earth. Locally, you see tumbleweeds and cheat grass that have taken over ranges. Tamerisk trees are lining every river, transpirating water that is sorely needed by the growiong population. Introduced species mess up the environment for wild animals that could be hunted as well as domestic animals that we depend on.

Those things are just the beginning. I don't have time to really get into it, but what I see is the world is in the midst of the greatest calamity to ever hit mankind, and when you cut to the chase, the real reason for all of this is overpopulation.
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Jim,

Well earth has a way of killing us off real fast. Think of all the strange new diseases (mad cow) we are seeing. I think overpopulation always leads to some form of population control. Question is whether we wanna try and take the steps toward preserving instead of only consuming and see what kind of plague we get this century.

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Well earth has a way of killing us off real fast. Think of all the strange new diseases (mad cow) we are seeing. I think overpopulation always leads to some form of population control. Question is whether we wanna try and take the steps toward preserving instead of only consuming and see what kind of plague we get this century
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Right, I am just finishing a book called "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. It lays it out very well. We can choose to survive, but we need to get with it and soon. You could look at it as if GOD has given us the warning and the means to save ourselves. We started becoming aware of how serious the problems are in the 1960's and coincidentally we developed effective birth control at the same time. What we have lacked was the sense to use that knowledge in a meaningful way. Unfortunately it has been religion that has been our biggest obstacle. There are a lot of religious people who think that the hand of God is going to descend from heaven and wipe our little dirty butts for us. But, I'm sorry, it's not going to happen. If we don't take some serious measures we'll face a die off of some sort. And if there is a general societal collapse, I'm afraid the welfare dependant community of Short Creek will not fare well.
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Colorado City would do just fine if they kept the money they worked hard for instead of giving it all to the church and they had fewer kids. So, the answer is get rid of Warren and maybe setup a website where they can get free condoms or birth control anonymously. I'll bet they would even use birth control as long as know one knew.

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Reply to: Chraan:You said:Youtold usthe first commandment to man was, "Multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it." At the time it was given the earth was pretty empty. It looks to me like the earth has been replenished (with people). That commandment has been obeyed.One definition of replenish is; to bring back to fullness or completeness, as supplies. Now that the earth is replenished with people we need to make sure we replenish its resources as we use them, if possible. If the population keepsgrowing like it is (especially in polygamous communities) how can we replenish our earth.How many people need to be on the earth beforeyouthink it's replenished?
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There is a lot of empty space and there are usually good reasons for it. Some places are uninhabited because there isn't enough water to support a population. I hope there will always be empty spaces to use for recreation, hunting, camping, etc. I'm sure there are still empty rain forests. Hopefully they won't be populated. Let's save some space for future generations. If we fill it all up now, where will our great-great- grandchildren live. _________________________________________________________________________________________


Yes, space is nice, but God has a way of utilizing it alot better than man does. People don't need to murder millions of innocent children for the selfish end of having millions of acres remain unused and much of it not even accessible to you anyway. If cramped and congested spaces are diseased and infested with all kinds of problems, it is because they are cramped and congested. That's it. The Zion plats as revealed by God will be towns of one square mile, where everyone is within walking distance of every venue and convenience known to man, and with no more than 5,000 or 10,000 people, and every plat has open spaces around its perifery. But, since you are all alien to God's plan and even his right to speak, he will preach a sermon that you can ill afford, and it will be over. Then you can have lots of space. I think the Bible calls it outer darkness. Or, you can feel warm and cozy in your selfish and criminal practices, and go to warm spaces that the Bible calls the fires of hell. God gives lots of space for every kind of creature. Now, as for spaces on earth that are in draught and uninhabitable. You mean God can't even water his gardens when he sees fit? All Moses had to do was strike a rock in the desert, and out spewed fresh water for the community. You say: Hopefully, the emptiness of the earth will not be populated. Well, knowingly, it will be, for God fills the emptiness of space with his creations, just as the scripture says. Any flee that tries to puff out the sun in heaven, or try to dictate the Son of God in that work, will undoubtedly be blasted from off the face of the earth. Can't stop progress, now can you, and preventing the little children from coming is what you are doing. You're terminating your own progress. Good luck to you in that criminal endeavor.

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and tho, you have tried all these year's to stop god's work, all you have succeded in is the murder of inacent children. what man has willingly turned themself's over to the murder, of other's will not be claimed of god. he spew's such filth from his places. ;he has prepared a place for such. we all live and die. it is more honorable to live for god, and be killed, than to live for evil, and die. we all are born. we all die. we all have a choice, to right or wrong. i do not see, any american, that is so poor, they could not take care of another child, and there stuff collect's dust upon their shelf's. can you take your dust, bitten stuff to heaven when you go. no man know's the day of his death. what is the worth of stuff, that flow's like a river, un-used upon the land, and your neighbor's hate you, because they starve, or are well fed on the garbage you throw in a bin. think well, upon christianity them. do good to those that hate you. return good for evil. how many did good, just to do good. how many are counting your neighbor's silk, why your's does gather moth ball's, and none can deliver. god is a very kind and loving god. what you ask for he will give, but rememer, this with each thing, is a price. one to be paid to the devil, one to be paid to god. can you say, god will defend you. can you say the devil does own you. you can not serve two master's. either, you do good or evil. regardless of the talk.

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Reply to : Chrann: Reply to : on the streetReply to: Chraan:You said:Youtold usthe first commandment to man was, "Multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it." At the time it was given the earth was pretty empty. It looks to me like the earth has been replenished (with people). That commandment has been obeyed.One definition of replenish is; to bring back to fullness or completeness, as supplies. Now that the earth is replenished with people we need to make sure we replenish its resources as we use them, if possible. If the population keeps growing like it is (especially in polygamous communities) how can we replenish our earth. How many people need to be on the earth before youthink it's replenished?
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Wow, what a blast from the past On the Street. When I discuss the topics you post I feel like I am debating wth my former self. I believed so much then like you do now. I also know that you probably won't take anything I write very seriously. Ten years ago I wouldn't have. I was too afraid of eternal damnation to consider any other way of life than Mormon Fundamentalism. I felt like Joseph Smith and our current leader had told us all we ever needed to know. Am I ever glad I decided to look out of that small circle and enlarge my life and the lives of my family.

Do you realize that if there are 5 to 10 thousand people per square mile there will have to be skyscrapers everywhere to hold that many people Have you ever been to New York City? There are 67,000 people psm there. I wouldn't want want to live in cities even a tenth the size of that. For as crowded as Asia is there are 1020 people psm there. If you have 5 to 10 thousand people psm, where would food be farmed for all those people? As overcrowded as the future world your God has planned for this world sounds it just might happen. At the present rate the population is growing (1.75% with 6,080,000,000 people) it doubles every 40 years. That will be 12 billion 160 million people in 2045. I think that about takes care of the billions and billions of little spirits in heaven waiting for bodies that we were always told about.

I've noticed there are common threads from the pro-polygamy posters. You make it sound like there are women standing in line to have an abortion in this big outside world. A very small percentage of people would consider having an abortion. It's not the bloodfest you think it is. Another is you all seem to eagerly be anticipating the end of the world as we know it. I can understand this one. The Kingstons have the same attitude. Life can be so hard in a polygamist group. There are always so many kids to take care of. You have to work all the time to just keep food on the table. Plus building the group businesses and pleasing your leaders was a constant effort. Normal life and all your religious responsibilities could be overwhelming. We were told the day would come (after the Lord had destroyed most of the wicked people in the world) that we would have our pick of the nicest homes in the area. That is if we lived good enough lives not to be included with the wicked. We could just walk in and take them over because the owners would be dead. People in the group looked forward to that time of plenty. It was one of the carrots in front of our noses that kept us going.

I've since learned that is a tactic that all cult leaders use. If you keep your group focused on something like that they lose sight of what is important in the here and now. Fear is a good controller, especially for fanatical, superstitous people.

Life is so much more enjoyable when you can make the most of every day without worrying about future destructions, calamities and an angry God that wants to wipe everyone out.

*My pop. info came from AN INTRODUCTION TO HUMAN GEOGRAPHY, THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE, 8TH EDITION by James Rubenstein*
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And as to all you people, that sit upon united effort plan property, you sat in our church for year's. you heard with your own lip's Uncle Rulon say he would carry you into heaven on his back if you could. You seen him hold Warren Jeffs hand and say he loved him. You heard him say his son speaks for HIM. This is a united effort plan. How have you helped any one? How have you shared your love? Do you seek for glory, and power. It is written, "The Glory be to the God of the heaven's, who giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not." It is written, the law of Christ. There is no excuse for fighting, in our society today. This property, was set apart by John Y. Barlow, Leroy Johnson, and other's, to protect the people, that want to worship, as we ," the honest" do. There is lot's of america, to live in. If you want that life style, GO. No one will apose you. If you want to stay, do not try to force your veiw's upon us. It is written, " north and south america, is ZION. Zion is the pure in heart. The lord will uphold the rightouse, no matter there race or color. The law of Crist, began with the Jews. They crusified their LORD. It has been handed to all people. His law is written, in every language, in every country, to all people. YOU have the right to worship, how, were and what you may, according to the dictates of your own conciense. The spirit of peace is the spirit of God. The spirit of discord, is the spirit of the devil. Some of you, seek to break up our land, sell it, and as I was told, every one out here will have to find a new home. You think, that to destroy Warren Jeff's, you will destroy, the law. This is impossible. It was Christ who wrote the law. YOU simply have two choices; to do good or to do evil. Every soul, born on the earth has a recorder, it is called a brain. when you go into the next life, the recorder is played. there is only truth, written. You will be your own accuser. God is a very merciful God. He said he will put each soul, in a place where they are happy, to the best of there compasity to be happy. Murders are put in prison. They are put in a place and a condition, that they can not hurt any one again. God is a God of mericles. Every day the sun rises and set's. every day he send's to us what we need. Who of you can say you are so poor, or rich, that you need not this God. If he did not want you to move, you my friend would not wiggle, so then he is very kind to you. He has extended to you life. I am not ashamed of my LORD. I am not ashamed of my country. I am not ashamed of the constitution, which also gives to men liberally, and upholdeth not. Who of you can make a law against the law? You then have taken your own freedom. I say, join the rally. WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTACE TO ALL.

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Reply to : Chrann: Reply to : on the street. Reply to: Chraan: You said: You told us the first commandment to man was, "Multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it." At the time it was given the earth was pretty empty. It looks to me like the earth has been replenished (with people). That commandment has been obeyed. One definition of replenish is; to bring back to fullness or completeness, as supplies. Now that the earth is replenished with people we need to make sure we replenish its resources as we use them, if possible. If the population keeps growing like it is (especially in polygamous communities) how can we replenish our earth. How many people need to be on the earth before you think it's replenished?
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Remember also that when Moses took credit to himself for bringing forth the water, it was cursed, salty, and no good.

Warren has not been chosen of God as a Prophet. He had an easily manipulated woman stand and proclaim him the prophet. Then had his brother proclaim him as such. He never even had an ordination to designate him as prophet before his father died. Even for so smart a person he is, he should have lied ans said that he had a secret ordination before Rulon died. This ordaining men to be able to ordain him doesn't cut it even in religous circles.
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Reply to: Mloribee: You said:RuthDid you know that there was a "Caps Lock" key on your keyboard and that when it is on all of the letters are in upper case? And that in the email world is considered shouting? I have always seen you in a calm manner in person. Could you please consider not shouting on line?I respect your ability to do better, no matter what you form of encouragement you have looked to. I am glad that you can say that WJ has helped you and I know others who say they have helped them in similar situations. But that seems to be the only heart he has. HE HAS RIPPED MORE LOVING FAMILIES APPART THAN HE HAS HELPED ABUSED/DEPRESSED WOMEN._ You said: HE
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on the street, although you as typical cc men may have a problem talking to the women, you are doing so now. I am the woman and I still have a family because I kept us together. Not that Warren didn't give me the chance to break it appart, he did. The quote goes," If you want to stay with the priesthood then go talk to the bishop for a place to stay and for support. If you want to stay with (my husband) then that is your choice."

For those of you who wonder why more of us women haven't chosen to stay with our husbands, though it frustrates me and I want to shout GRAB A BRAIN! I do see their reasoning. These women want to be perfect and are striving for eternal salvation. Our teaching as long as I can remember in all of my 30 years is that when your husband does not hold the priesthood he can not hold his family and can not exault them, or in other words he will be damned and if you stay with him so will you. So when Warren says your husband doesn't hold the priesthood ( as if he would know) he has as much as said that if the wives stay with him they are going to Hell. Pritty stiff for people striving for perfection.

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You Said: Wow, what a blast from the past On the Street. When I discuss the topics you post I feel like I am debating wth my former self. I believed so much then like you do now. I also know that you probably won't take anything I write very seriously. Ten years ago I wouldn't have. I was too afraid of eternal damnation to consider any other way of life than Mormon Fundamentalism. I felt like Joseph Smith and our current leader had told us all we ever needed to know. Am I ever glad I decided to look out of that small circle and enlarge my life and the lives of my family.

Do you realize that if there are 5 to 10 thousand people per square mile there will have to be skyscrapers everywhere to hold that many people Have you ever been to New York City? There are 67,000 people psm there. I wouldn't want want to live in cities even a tenth the size of that. For as crowded as Asia is there are 1020 people psm there. If you have 5 to 10 thousand people psm, where would food be farmed for all those people? As overcrowded as the future world your God has planned for this world sounds it just might happen. At the present rate the population is growing (1.75% with 6,080,000,000 people) it doubles every 40 years. That will be 12 billion 160 million people in 2045. I think that about takes care of the billions and billions of little spirits in heaven waiting for bodies that we were always told about.

I've noticed there are common threads from the pro-polygamy posters. You make it sound like there are women standing in line to have an abortion in this big outside world. A very small percentage of people would consider having an abortion. It's not the bloodfest you think it is. Another is you all seem to eagerly be anticipating the end of the world as we know it. I can understand this one. The Kingstons have the same attitude. Life can be so hard in a polygamist group. There are always so many kids to take care of. You have to work all the time to just keep food on the table. Plus building the group businesses and pleasing your leaders was a constant effort. Normal life and all your religious responsibilities could be overwhelming. We were told the day would come (after the Lord had destroyed most of the wicked people in the world) that we would have our pick of the nicest homes in the area. That is if we lived good enough lives not to be included with the wicked. We could just walk in and take them over because the owners would be dead. People in the group looked forward to that time of plenty. It was one of the carrots in front of our noses that kept us going.

I've since learned that is a tactic that all cult leaders use. If you keep your group focused on something like that they lose sight of what is important in the here and now. Fear is a good controller, especially for fanatical, superstitous people.

Life is so much more enjoyable when you can make the most of every day without worrying about future destructions, calamities and an angry God that wants to wipe everyone out.

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Well Chraan, your former self believing was your true self. The fact that you have become an unbeliever may say alot about the fallacy of other "fundamentalist" groups, but it's a bit wreckless to lump all groups into one and call them the same. Furthermore, you becoming an unbeliever in one thing doesn't preclude you from believing other things,even fundamental things. I'll leave that concept where it sits, on its own merits.

Now, the fact that you felf the prophet "had told you all you ever needed to know shows the fallacy of that group. The FLDS has always taught that our learning and advancement are eternal,and that anytime you stop learning, you stop growing. You're just speaking from the fallacy of the very different culture from the FLDS culture. Enough on that.

So with 67,000 people per square mile in NYC, the revelation of the Zion plat at 5-10,000 is very conservative is it not, and very livable. Remember, the Asian count at 1,000 psm includes millions of unused acres, even in Asia. So you're not counting things with much credibility or intellectual honesty. My point is well taken. In regard to there being a possible 12-billion people upon the earth, you've got another lapse of intelligence. First of all, that's only double the current pop, which with only 1% of the usable land mass utilized, would bring it to 2%. Oh, tragedy! Second of all, if you know squat about the revelations given (first of all you'd have to believe them, or your're toast in this present point), then you know that the earth has been divided many times, and that the gathering of Israel includes not only the gathering of earthly peoples, but also planet-sized orbs that have been separated from the earth. Thus, you end up with a planet perhaps the size of Jupiter. Ahhhhh, space! Think God is quite capable, do you?

As for abortion "not being the bloodfest that I think it is, you mean Hitler's bloodbath was not a blood fest? Now, hear it out: How many did he murder, six million Jews, plus a million or two others? Awe, very good. Abortion in the US alone has murdered 40-MILLION, and adding 2 million annually. NOT A BLOODFEST? You see the fallacies of your arguments? I knew you could do it. Keep learning. Learning never ends.

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Remember also that when Moses took credit to himself for bringing forth the water, it was cursed, salty, and no good.

Warren has not been chosen of God as a Prophet. He had an easily manipulated woman stand and proclaim him the prophet. Then had his brother proclaim him as such. He never even had an ordination to designate him as prophet before his father died. Even for so smart a person he is, he should have lied ans said that he had a secret ordination before Rulon died. This ordaining men to be able to ordain him doesn't cut it even in religous circles.

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So, Moses took credit. So what? He was a man, but a very good man. He repented, like a good boy, so God allowed him to see the promised land, and took him up to heaven. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been with Christ on the mount of transfiguration, now would he. The point was very clear: God is capable of watering his own gardens, and that was proof in the puddin, how so very easy to make dry land very very wet!.

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My goodness, Jim Ashurst, I never thought I would say this, But when you speak about the condition's of the earth, you speak about the prophacy of Joeseph. He predictided the world in the condition you just described. You and I do agree upon something. He said the Ice would melt in the north. The land will go around the world. The water will be on one end of the globe, and the other, when the ten tribes return. The Ice will flow from the north. The ten tribes will return. The city of eneck will return. This earth will return, to a "Garden of Edan state". The faithful will inhabit the earth. We are not so over papulated, that we can not be responsible, for the great blessing's God has given us. He is the giver of life. He is the giver of the gift's. Oh, I forgot, you already made your prophacy, I best not tell you more, of the Greatness of God, In your word's nothing is going to change, and I agree'd with you. You are already in all the heaven you shall ever know. I hope you are satisfied with your life, and what you chose. In God's kingdom, is many station's. His kingdom is diversified, but, in death there is a seperation of sinner's from the rightous. ALL THOSE THAT SOUGHT TO DESTROY AND DISCREDIT UNCLE FRED WILL NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN. NEVER SUCH A LOVEING MAN, HAVE I EVER KNOWN. FLORA, YOU CAN SAVE YOURSELF, ANOTHER LAWSUIT, BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU WERE SLANDERING HIM, WE ALL KNEW, HE LOVED YOU. I HOPE YOU CAN FIND IT IN YOUR HEART, TO LAY DOWN YOUR SOWRD. AND YOUR LIEING TOUNG MAY FIND BETTER THINGS TO DO, THAN PERSICUTE THE ONE'S WHO LOVED YOU.

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aND SPEAKING OF DRY LANDS VERY VERY WET, LOOK AT THE WEATHER OF THIS YEAR. God does do a very fabulouse, fantastic Job. I see no fault in our Lord. If there be weaknesses, It is in the man. God made the earth in the beginning. I see he is still quite capable of growing green's on our desert land, and wetting a very dry ground. I, REPEAT, I SEE NO FAULT IN OUR LORD.

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Reply to : Laudy Laudy Laud: You said: I will never respect polygamy or those who live it. Polygamy denigrades women and it's against the law. That's why nearly 200 countries have outlawed polygamy and the United States is morally bound to the UN agreement. Jesus had a lot to say in his lifetime, but he never said a word about polygamy. And Jesus was the son of God!! I think it's absurd that all these deluded, so-called christians, think they have to be polygamists to get to heaven. There isn't a single polygamist in heaven and there never will be. Polygamy is a joke and anyone who practices it is an ignorant person with low moral standards. I think they should deport all polygamists to the middle east where they can live with their third-world equals. Your Lo

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Street, You do tend to ramble like a mad-man and without making a lick of sense. You're knowledge of the bible, and religion in general, is shameleesly lacking. I can't believe you even post these ridiculous circular arguements of yours. Yeah right, the bible is true because the bible says so. You really do need to take some logic courses at the nearest college.

You're brainwashed, dude, and you're too blind to see it. But hey, don't feel too bad, it's not your fault. You were born and bred to be a sheep.

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Laude: You said:

Street, You do tend to ramble like a mad-man and without making a lick of sense. You're knowledge of the bible, and religion in general, is shameleesly lacking. I can't believe you even post these ridiculous circular arguements of yours. Yeah right, the bible is true because the bible says so. You really do need to take some logic courses at the nearest college.

You're brainwashed, dude, and you're too blind to see it. But hey, don't feel too bad, it's not your fault. You were born and bred to be a sheep. I wish you a speedy recovery. Laudy-dee
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Yes, rediculous circular: "My work is one eternal round."
No, not a lick of sense: We don't live by our senses, but by the spirit.
Yes, like a mad man: The prophets are madly in love with their Lord, and for all people everywhere, those who can receive it.
Yes, a sheep: "My sheep hear my voice," (and He is the shepherd, or sheep herder. Glad to be hear-ded).
Yes, a speedy recovery: The saints inherit the earth, and recover it very quickly.

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God used to require from his servants much more than just polygamy. He used to withhold rain unless someone from his holy order sacrificed an innocent child or even a beautiful virgin. If a person had any type of skin disease they were not worthy to be in the presence of God. If your neighbor poked your eye out, it was your God given right to poke out theirs. Some people in the world seen these selfish beliefs for what they really were (not divinely inspired). These observant individuals began to progress and grow much faster than the devout superstitious folk. Later, in more civilized times we knew that God had given us women and negro's, and they wereenjoyed and exploited more than most of our other property. And a little later on
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I would like to ask an honest question of all you critic's of my people: Where did this Idea, of bleed the beast come from. I do not know, just what the beast is. Are you refering to our government, or the people, who pay taxes? I would not think of any of them as a beast. Are you refering to yourself as the beast, as you accuse us of using your tax dollar. The beast I was tought is the scripture's is lucifer himself. Are you trying to say you are Lucifer, or that the government is Lucifer? I am very miffed at your terminolligy. first, it is boy's who are on t.v. you call lost. then you say this weird thing about the beast, when all of you know we pay our own taxes, and use it's benifit's like all other's. I would also like to know, where the Idea came from that a man has to have three women to get into heaven. I see that when a person dies and goes into the presence of God, he does go alone, leaving behind his house, his worldly posession's, and all his remaining family, tho thousands of angles do attend to him.. I was tought, that you have to live a celestial Glory to abtain a Celestial glory. If you have one wife, and are in discord, you are not in a celestial kingdom. If you have a hundred wifes, and are not living a celestial glory, you will not obtain a celestial kingdom. It is written; God does put every soul, in a place they can experience happiness to the best of their compasity. If you do not want to live, celestial marraige, rest assured you shall never see a celestial place.

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Laude:Street, You do tend to ramblelike a mad-manand without making alick of sense. You're knowledge of the bible, and religion in general, is shameleesly lacking. I can't believe you even post theseridiculous circulararguements of yours. Yeah right, the bible is true because the bible says so. You really do need to take some logic courses at the nearest college.You're brainwashed, dude, and you're too blind to see it. But hey, don't feel too bad, it's not your fault. You were born and bredto be a sheep.I wish youa speedy recovery. Laudy-deeYes, rediculous circ
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You can twist words to mean anything you want them to, just like you do the scriptures, but you'll be in jail soon, and our society will be rid of you kind once and for all.

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aND SPEAKING OF DRY LANDS VERY VERY WET, LOOK AT THE WEATHER OF THIS YEAR. God does do a very fabulouse, fantastic Job. I see no fault in our Lord. If there be weaknesses, It is in the man. God made the earth in the beginning. I see he is still quite capable of growing green's on our desert land, and wetting a very dry ground. I, REPEAT, I SEE NO FAULT IN OUR LORD.
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Don't you know that the tsunami wiped out a lot of your Muslim counterparts? Muslims are polygamous. Yes, I'd say mother nature is doing a fine job of cleaning up. Now we need to clean up CC.

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Don't you know that the tsunami wiped out a lot of your Muslim counterparts? Muslims are polygamous. Yes, I'd say mother nature is doing a fine job of cleaning up. Now we need to clean up CC.Help is on the way!
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According to the Muslim clerics in that region, the tsunami was punishment to the local people for allowing all the American and European tourists to use their beaches and villages as "playgrounds of sin" and fornication. The Muslims are just as clever when it comes to twisting facts to meet their religious agendas.

the tsunami happened because two big chucks of earth were trying to occupy the same piece of space at the same time. Something had to give and a bunch of people got in the way.
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Laude 666 said: Don't you know that the tsunami wiped out a lot of your Muslim counterparts? Muslims are polygamous. Yes, I'd say mother nature is doing a fine job of cleaning up. Now we need to clean up CC.Help is on the way!
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You said: According to the Muslim clerics in that region, the tsunami was punishment to the local people for allowing all the American and European tourists to use their beaches and villages as "playgrounds of sin" and fornication. The Muslims are just as clever when it comes to twisting facts to meet their religious agendas.

the tsunami happened because two big chucks of earth were trying to occupy the same piece of space at the same time. Something had to give and a bunch of people got in the way._________________________________________________________________

And I saith: No breeder for the sake of breeding is counterpart to those who bring forth in an immaculate way, for the sake of letting many children come unto perfection. However, if those Asians at least recognized the sin and fornication, then it is a kind God correcting that situation. Only the twisted twist, and who controls those big chunks of earth. Ahhhh, bewy bewy good. God. Don't chu just love that man, and his man Warren Jeffs, to let us see a great degree of perfecting in person. How priviledge you really are, and we're glad you recognize that.

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Street said: Someone said that the Past is about experience and knowledge, the Future about planning and dreams, but the Presentis for living. Then they said that it's time for those evicted to get their head above the sand and start living, and to get off their soap box. Every critic of life and the creation of life is the one on their soap box. Talk about the experience and knowledge of the past.The fundamental latter day saints go back 170 years in experience and knowledge of what counts: LIFE. No, they go back 6,000 years, to Eden where Adam and his WIVES initiated life on the planet.The old ancient texts declare it, if you really had the mind to read it. There were Eve and Lillith, and several
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Just remember this: He who has clean hands and a pure heart are they who shall see God. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." There's alot more to having clean hands and a pure heart when you bring forth life, than any immoral man or woman will ever know.

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I will point out also, that a man stalking a girl, like Ross Wyler was, would be jailed, except in colorado city. . A man sitting on another man's property, any where else, besides colorado city would be jailed. A man that did what dick and sam did, any where else but my comunity, would be jailed. A lawer, that handed me paper's like Judith A moorsE did, would be Jailed, except I was from colorado city and did not take Flora's bribe.. A women like Flora mae, could go no where else, in america, and publicly kidnap, two teenage girl, by pass the district attorney, and the child protective services, and the parent's right's because she had the famouse "Lieing Mike Watkis", and get away with it. I AGREE WITH THIS FORUM. LET'S STOP POLYGAMY ABUSE! money doeth corrupt more than it feed's. There is no reason for our american people to be hungry, and unfed. There is no reason to have the DEGRADING WOMEN SHELTER'S THAT WE HAVE. IN FLAGSTAFF, AND ST. GEORGE. MOST OF YOU WOULD NOT PUT YOUR LOVING PET DOG'S THERE, YET YOU TURN AWAY IN PREJUDICE TO A HUMAN BEING THAT NEED'S A PLACE TO STAY. aND YOU COULD NOT EVEN KEEP MY NAME STRAIGHT. CALLING ME SUSAN. I WILL SAY AGAIN. I AM NOT SO POOR AS TO TAKE BLOOD MONEY. TO DIE ON THE MOUNTAIN FREE, LOVEING WHOM, I DO SO CHOOSE, IS BY FAR BETTER, THAN YOUR---------SHELTER'S. I KNOW. I BEEN THERE. I WAS NOT SO------------------ISOLATED FROM PEOPLE, AS YOU PEOPLE CLAIM. THAT MENTAL HOSPITAL WAS TOO -------CLOSE FOR COMFORT, AND YOUR INSULT'S ABOUT EDUCATION, IS JUST THAT; INSULT'S! AND JIM ASHURST, I DO NOT CARE ONE WHIT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WANT TO HELP ME, BUT DO NOT. I DO NOT CONTROL ANY ONE. BUT TO THINK, THAT I AM GOING TO CHANGE MY CLOTH'S, JOIN FLORA'S LIE SHIP, AND FORSAKE ALL I HAVE, FOR YOUR SUPOSED EDUCATION AND FREEDOM, YOU ARE WRONG. WHEN FLORA MAE THREATENED ME. I FELT REAL GOOD, THAT I DID NOT HAVE TO JUMP FROM ONE ABUSER TO ANOTHER.

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Not to encourage or discourage you Ruth, but God causes it to rain on the good as well as the wicked.

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I will point out also, that a man stalking a girl, like Ross Wyler was, would be jailed, except in colorado city. . A man sitting on another man's property, any where else, besides colorado city would be jailed.
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Stalking a girl? Hah! That girl was trying to run away and wanted us to help. Wrote me secret letters, secret at her request. Her quote, if I'm caught I'm a dead duck. I told her to stick it out till she was 18, and she did say no to getting married to when Warren told her to.

I asked the girl to marry us, seemed much better than living in a house with 20 boys known to smoke, drink, do drugs, and prostitue girls! That is what she said she was going to do. Her Father is such a pig headed old F*** that he can't keep a friend let alone win the love of his family.

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Reply to : opalbI will point out also, that a man stalking a girl, like Ross Wyler was, would be jailed, except in colorado city. . A man sitting on another man's property, any where else, besides colorado city would be jailed.Stalking a girl? Hah! That girl was trying to run away and wanted us to help. Wrote me secret letters, secret at her request. Her quote, if I'm caught I'm a dead duck.I told her to stick it out till she was 18, and she did say no to getting married to when Warren told her to.Iasked the girl to marry us, seemed much better than living in a house with 20 boys known to smoke, drink, do drugs, and prostitue girls! That is what she said she was going to do.&
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LORI!! I can't believe you wrote F*** on this forum. OMG, help me, I thought you were so pure...aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggggg!!

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LORI!! I can't believe you wrote F*** on this forum. OMG, help me,
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...think she meant it to be "Fart" not "F***" Lori, where is this girl now, is she doing ok?
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sorry, forgot about the other f word posibility, yes I ment fart. see the girl once in a while, her father must have relaxed his grip on her a little. so near a loss even though he didn't know just how close must have been enough to scare him a bit. She drives her familie's car so she isn't maried yet, is 19 1/2 now. The younger sister isn't around any more though, one of Jim's poofers. Doesn't mean the family doesn't know where she is.

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Reply to : opalbI will point out also, that a man stalking a girl, like Ross Wyler was, would be jailed, except in colorado city. . A man sitting on another man's property, any where else, besides colorado city would be jailed.Stalking a girl? Hah! That girl was trying to run away and wanted us to help. Wrote me secret letters, secret at her request. Her quote, if I'm caught I'm a dead duck.I told her to stick it out till she was 18, and she did say no to getting married to when Warren told her to.Iasked the girl to marry us, seemed much better than living in a house with 20 boys known to smoke, drink, do drugs, and prostitue girls! That is what she said she was going to do.&
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That Warren Jeffs is one sick scum-bucket for telling young girls who to marry. His boney butt will burn in hell for it too, and so will those parents who let that filth-bag ruin the lives of their children. And ignorance is no excuse!

Hmmm, a funny thought just occured to me...what if Jeffs and STREET end up in the same jail cell? Sister-wives Jeffs and Street, OMG, now that would be divine intervention. And they'll be singin,' praise the lord! and halelujah! all right, ALL NIGHT!!

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Snort, Jeffs wouldn't give Street the time of day even if they were in the same cell.

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Reply to : Laude777 That Warren Jeffs is one sick scum-bucket for telling young girls wSnort, Jeffs wouldn't give Street the time of day even if they were in the same cell.

So Jeffs' is a real stuck-up kinda guy? Why wouldn't he give Street the time of day?

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So Jeffs' is a real stuck-up kinda guy? Why wouldn't he give Street the time of day?Laude
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Warren has told his folowers not to associate with appostates. Would hate to accuse him of being a hypocrite. lol

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Reply to : Laude777 So Jeffs' is a real stuck-up kinda guy? Why wouldn't he give Street the time of day? Laude
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I see, Does that mean he wouldn't give Ruth the time of day either?
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I see, Does that mean he wouldn't give Ruth the time of day either?
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Well, for Ruth's sake I would wish he would see her. But who do you think told Dick to kick her out? He doesn't answer her letters, won't give her an audience, tells the cops to keep her out of town. I hurt for her.

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Reply to : Laude777I see, Does that mean he wouldn't give Ruth the time of day either?Well, for Ruth's sake I would wish he would see her. But who do you think told Dick to kick her out? He doesn't answer her letters, won't give her an audience, tells the cops to keep her out of town. I hurt for her.
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Yeah, it's really sad beause she thinks he's a prophet. It will be another 10 years or so before she snaps out of it. I feel for her too. I feel for all the women in Colorado City/Hilldale, but I know that help is on its way. The abuse has gone too far, and the help is long overdue. Been there, done that.

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I would also point out, in reference to the Moses Law: Moses went into the mountain. He recieved the higher law. The people did not want it. God did then procede to Give them the lesser law.

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That's correct. I saw that moment portrayed on a movie called "History of the World Part 1" produced by a man named Mel Brooks, who comes descended of the seed of Abraham. It shows Moses bringing down the 3 big clay tablets and announcing to his people "God has given us these 15 -" and he accidentally drops one of them breaking it in a million pieces, so he says "Oy...These 10 Commandments" clearly God ordained that the other 5, which were the higher law would not be presented to the people at that time. But come April 6, by golly, Walla ......
. ..these fifteen...Oy!!...these ten commandments!
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I would also point out, in reference to the Moses Law: Moses went into the mountain. He recieved the higher law. The people did not want it. God did then procede to Give them the lesser law.
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Yes, and then later Jesus came with yet an even higher law called LOVE. The laws of the old testament no longer apply, nor do the ways of old, like polygamy. It's a disgrace to the human race, an outrage, a blatant disregard for human decency.

Jesus was the son of god and he never mentioned polygamy, much less having to marry three women to reach the Celestial kingdom.

What a bunch of nonsense!! If that were true, surely Jesus would have made the point. Joseph Smith was a philandering liar and a disgrace to mankind. Smith's like a hooker recieving revelation: (example below)

A hooker is walking down the street, looking for a trick. The streets are bare, so she takes a long, hard drag on her soggy cigarette. She sees a milky, shadowy group of spirits on the pavement ahead, so she walks slowly toward the blurry figures. "Hmmm," she says, suddenly feeling a surge of divine inspiration flowing through her crystal meth veins. "By golly, I think I'm having a revelation! OMG! YES! I see them clearly, it's a woman.....OMG! she has ten husbands...Yippieeeeeee!!!!!!!!

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You said:

Street, You do tend to ramble like a mad-man and without making a lick of sense. You're knowledge of the bible, and religion in general, is shameleesly lacking. I can't believe you even post these ridiculous circular arguements of yours. Yeah right, the bible is true because the bible says so. You really do need to take some logic courses at the nearest college.

You're brainwashed, dude, and you're too blind to see it. But hey, don't feel too bad, it's not your fault. You were born and bred to be a sheep.

I wish you a speedy recovery. Laudy-dee
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Yes, rediculous circular: "My work is one eternal round."
No, not a lick of sense: We don't live by our senses, but by the spirit.
Yes, like a mad man: The prophets are madly in love with their Lord, and for all people everywhere, those who can receive it.
Yes, a sheep: "My sheep hear my voice," (and He is the shepherd, or sheep herder. Glad to be hear-ded).
Yes, a speedy recovery: The saints inherit the earth, and recover it very quickly.
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Apr. 5th, Street said: I've seen alot of forums in my day, but nothing has quite compared to Street's energetic posts in this forum. Who is this Street guy anyway? He's posted some amazing information here, in this forum. You guys really know how to attract an intelligent mind. Does anyone know who this guy is? Pretty deep stuff, Street. Where'd you get your sources and your learning? I'd like to know. Enlighten us again, if you don't mind.

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I've seen alot of forums in my day, but nothing has quite compared to Street's energetic posts in this forum. Who is this Street guy anyway? He's posted some amazing information here, in this forum. You guys really know how to attract an intelligent mind. Does anyone know who this guy is? Pretty deep stuff, Street. Where'd you get your sources and your learning? I'd like to know. Enlighten us again, if you don't mind.
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Hey, doesn't street reply to anyone's posts? I'd like to know where he got his information. Does anyone know? I like his posts. He doesn't seem to repond to emails or anything unless he has a mind to. How does he know what he knows? It sound like pretty important stuff.

Maybe, "Out of the mouths of babes. . ." That must be it: (Ps 8:2, Mt. 11-25, Mt. 21:16, Lk. 10:21).

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Someone asked me for a definition of the concept "RIGHTEOUS". You people keep blaming us or accrediting us for "being righteous," as you've all been putting it. Thank you, but "there is none good but the father", as your Lord well said. Brother Jeffs is the father. In the FLDS community, he is the father. That is why the loyalty of the people is so, shall we say, religious, or do you prefer "righteous?" You call it "fierce" loyalty, and ultra-conservative. That's okay, my children, that's okay.

Anyhow, to answer your quest, and let's see if this actually does fit that prophet to the very tee:

RIGHTEOUS: In the Hebrew, the letter "e" is grace, and the letter "o" is holy. These leaves you people with a preliminary definition of being: In the right, grace and holiness, toward us.

RIGHTEOUS: Here's your english dictionary definition: Just, virtuous, good, blameless, right, noble, elevated, magnaminous, unselfish, incorrupt, moral, pure, honest, upright. . . I KNOW, I KNOW, Mr. Jeffs is NONE of these, and neither was Christ. He was possessed by demons, and claimed to be a king of all things. Can you imagine a god being so presumptive before the pipsqueek Mr. Caesar himself? Take note, that the world even blames the God of Heaven daily for violating ALL of these traits, and curses in his name daily (GD this, GD that). "And they shall curse God, and die." Having populated and then slain so many millions of people, to the world God is ANYTHING BUT virtuous, blameless, right, peculiar, etc. So, Mr. Jeffs is in really good company, another victim of the fierceness of the gross and guilty world.

RIGHTEOUS: A tzadik is Hebrew for a "righteous person." One who is hunting for lost souls, for fallen sparks that are trapped in the world of chaos, that is the work of the tzadik, the rectified soul of Israel (thus, the YFZ ranch is indeed a hunting lodge, as they said. He who is such a liar proves actually to be most truthful ("but the devil shall deceive all nations"). When the end of the tzadik (his fallen and uplifted sparks) become entwined in the beginning of the tzadik, he becomes the foundation or beginning of the world, of the generation of the world in which he rules, until the end of "days" and of new worlds without end. See Daniel 12:13). Here, "days" is written as "right", as in "righteous", for good reason. The day is on the right, and the dark on the left, as Christ said: Whoso is on my right hand at the last "day" shall be saved. So the end of days is right, the extreme right, or extreme, "for I cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance." "My people shall be a peculiar people." (Ex. 19:5, Deut. 14:2, Deut. 26:18, Ps. 135:4, Eccl. 2:8, Titus 2:14, 1 Peter 2:9). All have agreed that the FLDS people are extreme, and very peculiar, so it fits him to the tee.

RIGHTEOUS: Hebrew for "Tzadik" (tsad deek or dick, or sad geek equals "righteous". Is that peculiar enough for you?). Tzad deek, or sad weeping. Yes, he sad and he weeps for you. Like his father before him, he often asks the ladies to play "The Nephite Lamentation," and often refers to the Book of Lamentations. The Hebrew continues this peculiar definition: Tzadik: Righteous, just, lawful, to cleanse, to clear self, to justify self, to prosper." This is the definition in the ancient Hebrew, and guess what? All of you agree that Mr. Jeffs has indeed cleansed the community by casting many out, that he justifies himself, that he prospers, that he has done all this within the law, else why indeed hasn't he gone to the law and played your court games. He fired you all, and you all agree you are abundantly on fire. So, according to the ancient Hebrew matching to the tee your own behavior and accusations, you truly complement him and call him righteous. "And the mouth of the wicked shall honor the righteous," and every knee shall bow, every tongue confess."

RIGHTEOUS: I will spell out the word for you, and see if this describes the man:

R: The Hebrew letter "R" or "Resh" is head: This man is certainly that, acknowledged by all the authorities and media of the land, as "the Head of the largest fundamental church in America."

I: The Hebrew letter "I" is the same as "Y" or "Yod", which is crown, the infinate point. All have acknowledged that this man is striving for a crown. That's what really pisses them off.

G: Gimmel is "reward and punishment," and "a man in motion". Yes, everyone has now agreed that the man rewards and punishes people, and that also he is on the move. Very very good.

H: Heh is "expression, thought, action." This man certainly does think, and act, does he not. He thinks so much that he has defied the lawsuits of the grossness and the envy of the wicked, and has acted to the point that he has built a city and a house unto the Lord.

T: Tav is "sign and seal". What do you know, this man has shown you all a powerful sign of the end time, and speaks of it, and seals out all that offends God.

E and O are holy, and I won't discuss them here.

U: "U" is the same as double-U (W), and V: Thus, Vav is "Connection": Pillar, a vertical line that connects. Now the world has confessed that "he must have connections" that have seen him successfully through the building of a city, with the "Pillars" of the temple, and speaks now of a "vertical lifting up.

S: Samech is "endless cycle, wedding ring, symbols of divine light, creating a vacuum through initial contacts of light. All the world knows that the man certainly has wedding rings, and endless cycles of life going on. Not only that, but he has created vacuums, again something that turns the wicked just green with envy and red with rage, which are traits of the demons.

What does it spell? RIGHTEOUS! "Oh my, oh my, have I been mistaken all these years, you say. In spite of, or in agreement with, what all his enemies say about him, THE MAN IS ACTUALLY RIGHTEOUS!.

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Some of what you say skipped me, but I got a good Idea of why people say what they do about me. They do not understand. I will have to add my voice you yours tho, in what I did understand. First, Warren Jeffs could not do what he does with the people, if they did not want his blessings. Second, yes every lip does confess, he has extreme power, and this is what disturbs them. It is obviouse, they can not touch him. They can sputter, but they can not even find him, let alone take what was his, and third, there is this idiot, me that does desire to obtain what he does offer, above all else upon the earth. And even the one's he has corrected, desire to be back in his city. some do not desire it enough, to quit, there abuse of other people tho, so they sputter about other's. Even the crimnal's in our city, seek to hide behind his generosity, thinking God will not see there evil. Warren Jeffs is the most magnifecent man. He has the compasity, of this Jesus, to love. He has the power to bless. he has the generosity, of our Lord. He is the one who, It is written, there will be one among you, and the lion, will sit with the child. The animal's will live in love together, ephrium will not vex juda, and juda, will not vex, ephruim. He is the one spoken of in the book of morman, who it is written of, there will be one thousand year's of peace. the event's that are happining, and will happen will be remebered for one thousand year's. at the time of Christ, the event's were remebered for hundred's of year's, and all men lived in love. In our day it is written, we will remember it for a thousand year's. look it up, in the book if you are interrested. I did not quote it it's entire form. I have found this love, In the smile of this warren Jeffs, and in his defence of me, and his great charity, towards me. If you do not disagree, fine. I would suggest you do find someone with this great love, to help you find the pure love of Christ, to hold to. The truth is, we have prospered. Warren Jeffs is our great, and honored, beloved prophet. Just the fact, that the world is in such a stir, that ten thousand people would love, and honor him. Is a testomony to me, that he is a true prophet of God. That, besides that he teaches and lives according to the book of morman, and why you debate mormanisim, remember, Joeseph translated the book. It was brought forth of God. Joeseph, upheld the law, as does this Warren Jeffs. He did not make the law. he teaches it. This is his right. This is your right. It is written, God gives liberally to all men. Where on earth, can you find a people, who put in to practice the law of this jesus? It is written, in God's kingdom, there is no rich or poor. There is no man above another. All men are accountable for their own sin's. I walked america's street's. I met many bag women. I met many homeless. I met many poor. I met many abused. The shelter's in Utah and Arizonia, in general, are not fit for humanity. I heard people say, they travled the honey noon trail, and it was free of trash, until, they came to these two states. I heard people tell me not to work for ventura, as they did not take care of their employies, yet these rich people took their money, from people, for the seeing of the free Gift God did give to them. I seen people out hunting animal's just to kill. I seen fish laid out to rot, on cedar mountain, so people could have the thrill of fishing. Yet they wasted the fish. I seen children being abused, why there parents gave all to drug's. I seen a lot on america's street's. I figered if people hate me for my veiw, so be it. I was hated before, because, i was a poor girl, in short creek and loved one man. I loved uncle roy. I loved uncle rulon.. I love warren jeffs. I have a motto, if I die, well then it is over, and I am in heaven with God. If i live, i say, well I lived though it, so I am ok. one more thing about Warren Jeffs. If he say's there will be this event, and that event, and It happen's I will say to my self, well I can trust the man. I have not found any thing he has said to be untrue, course, i am living according to the teaching's of the book, so it looks sensible to me. In Jesus day, they said he hath a devil, when he healed the sick. They accused him of all manner of false hood's. they did petition the law of the land to exicute an inacent man. As they did this evil, they parted his ramnient. They cast lot's for his belonging's. It is puzzling to me, as I read of people casting lot's for this warren jeffs home, and his money, what you plan to do with it. your life is only upon a certain time on this earth, and then you only take yourself, into the heaven's to make an account for your deed's. I have been on the street's of america, poor with no I.d. no cloth's. No family that would defend me. with lies cerculated about me, being accused of abusing my own children, being accused of being incapable of taking care of myself, let alone a child, and this Jesus did see fit to take care of me. I see that stuff comes with great ease in america. I see the dumpster's are full of thing's that people have fought for, and made enimies out of, for, and it has fed and clothed the poorest of us. I have heard the begger's say they like this life, because they are free from government opression. I think they have a point. all they have to worry about, is what to eat, and where to sleep. people in houses have to worry about rent, food ,bills work, some one screaming at them, because they did not do something exsactly as they thought they should. I see people fight and make enimies, out of the most frivoulious, thing. It is written, there will be war's and rumor's of war, but little do you know the heart's of men in your own country. It is not warren jeffs that does flaunt himself. as you see, he has continued on with his life, and left the ones who want to fight, plenty to squabble over. They squabble over his money. his house. they squabble over his people's loyalty. They squabble, over those he has corrected. They squabble over the issue to squabble. He does continue to sing love songs to me. I continue to love him. He does continue to take care of the honest in heart. he does continue to protect me from my enimies. They do steal from me, what i am given. he does continue to take care of me. I am getting tired of being stolen from. he does continue to bless me. he does continue to give me hope. He is the most loving man I have ever known. It is a hope in me, that God will stop, all lier's. It is a prayer in me, that God will stop, all abuser's. It is a prayer in me, that God will redeame this earth, and let the people who want peace, to rise into power. I have no dispute with Our father, and what God does allow. I see this warren jeffs, is like God to me. HE does bless me. God does bless me. He does love me. God does love me. He does sing beautiful to me. What more could a women ask, than the man she loves, to love her too.

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My goodness you two need to get out a bit more. You're both a bit long winded. No wonder Fred Jessop had a 3 hour funeral.

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I will remind you, I was not allowed to talk at uncle Fred's Frunral. I do not think street was either, but Hay thank's for the compliment. I did learn to talk. I did learn to talk. I did learn to talk. I did, I did, do not take Dick's word for it tho, according to him, i am mentaly and physicly incapable of taking care of my self, let alone a child. I love it when some one reconises me. I never had such a great compliment tho. Being able to talk in my church. Wow, what a thought. Before Dick I was too shy. I guess I am getting an education. Wow, thank's for your great compliment..............

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And in order to read my post, you also have to be in. Like the boy, who said, " Father, so and so peeked in prayer" Oh, I do enjoy your attemp's at thought, and inteligent talk. You must be desperate. Let me tell you, there are single's club's you could join. you would not be so hard up to post your nose at the computer, reading mine and street's jingle's.

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Righteous?

Every criminal that has been put away has been "persecuted", too. They are also all innocent. Just ask them!

Jesus was homeless during his ministry. Jesus taught his apostles to not take purse or scrip (money) with them into the ministry. The apostle Paul taught that it was best if a man be single for the gospel's sake, unless they couldn't manage without a spouse. I reallly can't see how Jeffs is at all like Jesus. I don't know him, personally, only "by his works ye shall know them"!

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I would suggest to you then, since you say, you do not know this Warren Jeffs, that you do not try to tangle with him, or you may find out, personally I speak the truth of him.

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Ruth

On another topic you said that Warren didn't claim to be the judge. I say he did. This being the better topic to put in in. In my own personal interview with him he was all "I haven't cast off your husband" and "I" this and "I" that. Only once did he even credit God with judgement.

Proof via FLDS standards: Warren has claimed to be the "one man" on the earth. According to our teachings, the one man has the keys and powers of the priesthood to seal on earth and it be sealed in the heavens, break appart on earth and it be broken appart in the heavens. If he has such power, it is judgement power.

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I will point out, by your own confession, you said, Warren said, he did not cast off your husband. It makes me wonder more, why Ross did speak as he did on t. v. then. I do not think God will condemn you or your children. I will say, tho I am not the Judge. This is my opinion, and I also said, I this and I that. At any rate, it is not my place to exicute judgement, even if God did have it in mind, to destroy you. The truth is, We are upon this earth to learn and have experiences. Lori, I do not want to make an enimie of you. I like you. I said this Before. I am a women, who has been abused also. I do not judge you. I wish you the best that life can give you. I say my opinion's. I hope I have not hurt you. I do not want to judge you. I want to think the best of you.There are people who harass me, and try to destroy me, for what they supose Warren has said also. Do the best you can. I know, you are not a terrible person. God alway's takes care of people who do the best you can. There are people who would rather see me dead, before they would want to see me in a church, being sucessful. Persicution and insult's are just that. We came here to train our bodies, and have experiences. Like I said, do the best you can.

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I am quite releaved to hear you say, warren said he did not cast you off. That makes me think stronger, that you are a beautiful person. remember this, the death that is spoken of in the book of morman speak's of a person's reversal from God, into sin, until they are totaly consumed with filth, and there spirit, and body are decomposed into mother element. It is also written, women do not hold the preistood, and God never made a women of predition. I hop I did not offend you. I am very glad you posted what you did to me. I know it is none of my business, and you do not have to tell me any thing, if you do not want to. I need to be more sensitive. I did wonder why you won your court case. I quess you answered my question. The Prophet, allowed you too. I hope you find peace and love and joy. all of us die. the one's that live eternally, are those who learn to live in perfect love.

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Reply to: Street

This is some of the stuff I'm talking about. You said:

RIGHTEOUS: I will spell out the word for you, and see if this describes the man:

R: The Hebrew letter "R" or "Resh" is head: This man is certainly that, acknowledged by all the authorities and media of the land, as "the Head of the largest fundamental church in America."

I: The Hebrew letter "I" is the same as "Y" or "Yod", which is crown, the infinate point. All have acknowledged that this man is striving for a crown. That's what really pisses them off.

G: Gimmel is "reward and punishment," and "a man in motion". Yes, everyone has now agreed that the man rewards and punishes people, and that also he is on the move. Very very good.

H: Heh is "expression, thought, action." This man certainly does think, and act, does he not. He thinks so much that he has defied the lawsuits of the grossness and the envy of the wicked, and has acted to the point that he has built a city and a house unto the Lord.

T: Tav is "sign and seal". What do you know, this man has shown you all a powerful sign of the end time, and speaks of it, and seals out all that offends God.

E and O are holy, and I won't discuss them here.

U: "U" is the same as double-U (W), and V: Thus, Vav is "Connection": Pillar, a vertical line that connects. Now the world has confessed that "he must have connections" that have seen him successfully through the building of a city, with the "Pillars" of the temple, and speaks now of a "vertical lifting up.

S: Samech is "endless cycle, wedding ring, symbols of divine light, creating a vacuum through initial contacts of light. All the world knows that the man certainly has wedding rings, and endless cycles of life going on. Not only that, but he has created vacuums, again something that turns the wicked just green with envy and red with rage, which are traits of the demons.

What does it spell? RIGHTEOUS! "Oh my, oh my, have I been mistaken all these years, you say. In spite of, or in agreement with, what all his enemies say about him, THE MAN IS ACTUALLY RIGHTEOUS!.
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Thanks for giving us street's forum, Jim. That's a start. However, it looks like an upstart forum. He's not doing much with it. Not yet, anyhow.

Gees, look how many "views" street has on the "Immaculate Conception" thread. It's only a month old, and it already has far more than any other thread on the entire forum. See how much interest he generated? I vote let's bring him back if we can. Can we do a poll here? The way this guy challenges peoples' minds is unreal. We sure don't want to censure that. Who's the prick that banned him. If that was one of your moderators, Jim, let's just ban the moderator. However, I've read some of your responses Jim, demanding him to change his wording and his style. You know, if you tried to get street to change his wording or style to fit some moderator's style, then that wouldn't be street's posts anymore, would it. If everyone had to fit the style of a moderator, then it would just be the moderator speaking through another person, sheep-style, because he was forced to fit his style and his very wording to someone else's demands. How credible is that?

I'm not putting anyone down here. My thinking has been pretty much along the lines of what you've all been saying to street and opalb. At least I thought it was. But this street guy is the only one that has really sparked some life into the debate, because he backs everything up with references and a high degree of credibility. Kill that, and you kill the forum. Forums just don't do that. Hell, let's bring the guy back. An email or PM from Jim might do the trick. Street's challenges are really interesting reading against the backdrop of what everyone's been saying here, very intelligent and academic. His posts are also very organized and readable, truly fun reading. I'll bet he's some professor in a university somewhere. He sure makes alot of sense out of what has apparently been senseless chatter, when you compare the two. Let's bring him back, for crying out loud.

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RUTH IS A SAINT (Posts from Stop Polygabuse Aimoo Forum)

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Polyg Bob said in Jim's forum: Is it just me or does "Street" never acknowledge that Ruth is one of them, or an equal or even human. FLDS seems to work on the caste system. Ruth probably has more faith, love, and true belief in God in her little finger then "street" could ever hope to have, and yet "street" doesn't even acknowledge her as human, let alone a sister in arms. _________________________________________________________________________________

She does not need to be babysitted. She knows her worth, and so do I and millions of spirits. To say that she has more faith, love, and true belief in God in her little finger then "street" could ever hope to have, is an understatement. She has much more than that. This to my sister in arms.

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I would also add, on this sweet pointed forum, that street said many good thing's about me. On this forum, it is a good thing to say good thing's and acknowledge each other's good ability's, and street is right. I do not want, or need a baby sitter. I had one in Dick's house. And the mental hospital. I think I shy away from people who think they are going to take care of me, because Dick said he would, but his Idea of taking care of some one was not the same as mine. I DO NOT NEED A BABY SITTER. I remember the day I broke away from Dick, and discovered my brain. Oh, what a gloriouse feel. I need to repremand my thought's a bit, tho and tell my anatimy, he is in the past.

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I realy do not know you street, but I am very touched by what you wrote. I wish I knew you better. You do make me laugh some, and forget my problem's. You posted good thing's with out telling any thing about you. Like a book. Keep smiling.

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Reply to: Ruth:

Polyg Bob said in Jim's forum: Is it just me or does "Street" never acknowledge that Ruth is one of them, or an equal or even human. FLDS seems to work on the caste system. Ruth probably has more faith, love, and true belief in God in her little finger then "street" could ever hope to have, and yet "street" doesn't even acknowledge her as human, let alone a sister in arms.
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Street said: She does not need to be babysitted. She knows her worth, and so do I and millions of spirits. To say that she has more faith, love, and true belief in God in her little finger then "street" could ever hope to have, is an understatement. She has much more than that. This to my sister in arms.
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Let me describe Ruth: She begins to flourish. The righteous flourish (Ps. 72:7). Who are the righteous? That is well covered in another post. The Hebrew for "flourish" is "Parach: To break forth as a bud, to spread, to fly on two wings (Rev. 12:14). "Tsoots": Departing in order to twinkle like a star, to skip about and return. "Knots": Units of velocity, by scorning and despising the world and its gross element. To flourish pertains to unleavened flour (flour-ish), unprovoked and at peace with yourself, left alone, and yet to bear fruit, to grow, not to kill the fruit or to harm it in any way, but to bear it abundantly, to rise, succeed, triumph, shake, wield, flaunt, display, or manifest, like a light on a hill, to parade and adorn. Thus we project positively on others, for all the world to see and to enjoy and benefit from.

Yet, the world curses God daily, and he sends the rain, the fire, and the quaking for your benefit, just as Ruth has been telling you. But she has had to speak to you in parables, or in pig-latin, befitting the drunkeness of swine, and you thought her to be drunken and unintelligible. So charged the scribes and pharasees, the rulers of the day, and so charged the law. And what shortly happened to their nation in that same generation, which has lasted for two millenia? This generation is now without excuse.

Ruth 1:14: "And Ruth clave unto her 'mother-in-law'. And she bade: "Intreat me not to leave. . ." just as Ruth has been pleading. "And she bare a son" (the grandfather of a king): Ruth 4:13.

"Ruth" means "Friend, another mate, a gift, an offering unto God." The Council of the Priesthood is a Council of Friends, or else there is no council, and certainly not for the world to know. Let me spell "RUTH":

R: Resh (the crown): The crown of the man is the woman. V (or U): Vav (connections to heaven). T: Tav (concealed good). H: Heh (expression of the essence, transcendence, and imminence of God).

There you have it. We not only reflect positively on our enemies, but on our friends as well.

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Once again Street, I would say, "I am deeply touched. I enjoyed your words, and the description of my name." Here is Three of my poems I will share with you.

CALCULATED SUSPENSE

I walked up and down, and pace with the dawn.

I picked hot pink blossoms, in the cool summer air,

and stretched with a yawn. Hastily waiting.



I closed my eyes, to think of the moments, we met.

Happy times, silent reflections, of when we will meet again.

Calculated suspense.



Apple pie, drinks of delight.

Making trails in crunchy snow, Frost covered mountains

and many years of friendships

cherished memories.

BABY

The silence of a heart-break,

speaks like the drip, drip, of melting snow.

The silence of your smile, speaks years of, "I LOVE YOU"

The silence of years, speak, of days to come,

when, I have you again to know.


GOLDEN YEARS

Out in the garden, Lifts a crimson heart, to sing the whole day long. Golden Brown hair, like golden brown wheat. Care-free, as a flowers dance, Drenched in the sweet fragrance of love. Songs of the earth, Golden brown, warm, like a sun lit tree. Our golden years. Out in the garden lifts a crimson heart, to sing the whole day long. The rythem of the wind, whispers memories , of your smile. Spell-bound moments, of love and tales. notes, lullabeyes, and you. Transposing, life into a song. Drenched int the sweet fragrance of love. Out in the garden, lifts a crimson heart, to sing the whole day long.

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God bless you Ruth. This is beautiful, what comes from your heart. As you know, this forum is public. I will probably not say who I am publicly or privately, knowing what I know. But for your comfort, I knew Val, I knew Uncle Bill Cooke, Jim, Charlie, Donavan, all the Cooke's, and all the other families there. I don't remember you too clearly, and I seem to remember from Jim's forum that your maiden name was Cooke, but I don't know where Dick fit in if you were married to Alvin's son Willard. PM me, or email me, if you want to fill me in, but not publicly. Not here.

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What is your e-mail address? this is mine:ruthjcooke65_@hotmail.com

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I Tried an email to you. I got a "failure notice". Maybe another email address. Check to see if the address you gave is correct.

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this is the correct adress. Try again. Leave yours and I will send it, from my email. If it does not work. Leave it as a private message if you want.

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Ruth

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO LIVE WITH THAT MAN AND ACCEPT HIS MONEY? LEAVE HIM ALONE IN HIS SADNESS!!!

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Here is my peom for today; I loved my children, and for that I was put away. I loved Warren Jeffs, for this I was scorned every day. I loved Jesus, and they mocked me too. I Hold to the Love I have. I hold to this veiw. In times of old, Men were hated, for loving the prophets there. They were driven from their home, and driven on to my desert. I stand my ground, and suffer persicution and lies, because I love this man. I WILL SAY IT NOW, LIKE I SAID IT THEN. I HAVE ONLY ONE TRUE LOVE. MEN MAY HATE AND MEN MAY KILL, BUT MY LOVE FOR WARREN BURNS IN ME STILL. THEY ACCUSED ME OF IMORALITY, AND THREW ME FROM THERE DOOR. IN THE STREET A BEGGER STOOD, TO BE MOCKED AND SCORNED FOR WHAT OTHERS SAID. IN THAT BEGGER THE GIFT DID GROW. IN HER HEART LOVE HAD NO BOUNDS. AND JESUS LIT UP THE SKY. they mock and scorn and point at me. My salvation is mine. You can not take it from me. mock on.

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Isn't lusting after a man you are not married to considered fornication in the FLDS? Don't they blood atone or something for that?

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I hope street knows how to delete filth from this forum.

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I hope street knows how to delete filth from this forum.
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Reply to: Opalb:

You said: I hope street knows how to delete filth from this forum.

Yah, I hope so too. Bit of a learning curve, and getting things set up and all. Just five-minutes ago I learned how to PM, so you should have my email there pretty quick.

Now, as for filth on this forum: I suppose you're referring to what "cleaner" screemed out when it said: Isn't lusting after a man you are not married to considered fornication in the FLDS? Don't they blood atone or something for that?

I'll respond to that. This in itself isn't filth, just an honest question. Yes, cleanser, lusting is fornication, for Christ said: "He who looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery already," and the same law holds true for the woman, for "I am no respector of persons". Now, as for blood atonement, yes there is blood atonement. The blood of Christ atoned for it, if we repent of it. And if we don't? Well, then we suffer whatever God brings upon us, even if that be death, but not by the crime of anyone in the FLDS Church. It is by acts of God. There you have it.

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Blood atonement refered to in scripture is this. If a person lives to the best of their ability, they go back into the presence of Christ. If a person forsakes the principles of Christ, they then, are required to pay the price for their own sin's, and there-fore are subjected to suffer. Like so, if a person smokes they are infilterated. If they drink, they are drunk, and pay the price of an alcholic. If they lie, they are a lier. If they turn from Christ, they are smitten with the opisite spirit. This is a universal law. No one escapes this, no matter what you believe.

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How-ever street, this was not the filth I was hopeing you would delete. It was the one accusing me of imorality. I guess in life we have to live with persanol attacks. I guess if you leave the one posted as being Dick Cooke, I shall have to live with it.

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Reply to: Anonymous:

You said: How-ever street, this was not the filth I was hopeing you would delete. It was the one accusing me of imorality. I guess in life we have to live with persanol attacks. I guess if you leave the one posted as being Dick Cooke, I shall have to live with it.
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Oh, sorry Anonymous. Yes, if someone accuses you or anyone else of immorality without any redeaming value in it, without cause of proof or educational value to the forum, I'll delete it. Let's see, Iooked back on the posts of this thread, and there is indeed one from "Dick Cooke".
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Dick said: "Ruth, WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO LIVE WITH THAT MAN AND ACCEPT HIS MONEY? LEAVE HIM ALONE IN HIS SADNESS!!!" _________________________________________________________

Anonymous, that's all Dick said, unless I've missed something here. I can't censure anything without good cause. I can, but I won't unless I can see real good cause for it. Where does that accuse you of immorality, unless of course your conscience is just hitting you really hard about your morality. I don't know. Let's all keep sweet with ourselves, and it'll be alot easier to keep sweet with others. It starts with ourselves. Zion is not the pure in heart of my neighbor, until it's the pure in heart of myself first.

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Doctrine and covenants 76:102

102 Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and recieved into the cloud. 103 These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie. 104 These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth. 105 These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work; 107 When he shall deliver up the kingdom, and present it unto the Father, spotless, saying: I have trodden the wine-press alone, even the wine-press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God. 108 Then shall he be crowned with the crown of his glory, to sit on the throne of his power to reign forever and ever.



ZION MUST ARISE AND PUT ON HER BEAUTIFUL GARMENTS.

1 NEPHI chapter 22 verse 14

And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they sahll fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, who hath perverted the right ways of the Lord, yea, that great and abominable church, shall tumble to the dust and great shall be the fall of it.

In the days of all the saints, there were that were persicuted. In our day there are our enimies. In our day, the inacent are spurned, Why evil men destroy. By the spirit you shall know them. Two, will be in the field. one will be taken the other left.

What then, tho sayest of liers. GOD HAS PREPARED A PLACE FOR THEM.


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Street,
you said you can delete things if you want to. will you delete my personal information off your forum? I think my email address is working now, if you want to try it again. ruthjcooke65_@hotmail.com

thank you Ruth

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Dear Street,

I did enjoy your insight. I have banned myself from yours and jim ashursts talk forum. I am asking you for a favor, will you ask Jim to delete the information about me, off his web page. I am going to do something else. I am changing my name. I have changed my email, except to leave it open for a little bit to see if you do post anything to me. If it is blocked also, that is that. I am tired of listening to filth. I can not read the posting of these two web pages with out reading some filth. I am glad you defend our prophet. I love him. I will defend him every where I go. I am preparing to go else-where, and do other things. I think I have an Idea who you are. When you said you did not know who I was, I think that is why I was invisible, and cruel men, could accuse me, and take all I owned. Non-the-less, I love Warren Jeffs and he does defend me. He does protect me. Good by. I hope you are blessed in your efforts to bless and defend the prophet. I make my journy closer to him. I can not waste my time reading about evil acusations. Maybe this is not a big deal to you, But Dick Cooke had me put away on a lie. I can not listen to his filth and stay faithful. You said you do not know me. I spent ten years at home minding my business, tending my children. I moved into Dick's house. He did acuse me, and tell me lies of the prophet, until I was very mixed up. I can not afford to let him back into my brain. This is nothing to do with you. I have to hold to what I know. Dick and anything conected to him, I need to stay away from.

PLEASE JUST ASK JIM TO DELETE THE PERSONAL INFORMATION ABOUT ME. I do not care who hears my story. It is the truth. I do not want the personal information about me, posted to my bogus name.

adious, all who was kind to me.

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Ok I heard Uncle Warren got shot. They said Marion Jessop got kicked out of Texas, came back the next day and shot him. Does anyone know if this is really true?

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I'm so sorry I am so angry and upset, it turns out someone was playing an april fools joke on me. I don't think that is very funny. I think that is so wrong to say someone commited murder when they really didn't. I,m so sorry to post about this when I didn't even know the truth, I feel really stupid. I'm just grateful I didn't say it happened and just asked if it really did.

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Maddie: Do you want it deleted? I think I can do that for you.

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What happens to prophets? Well, history bears that out. First of all they're the ones who are hated, as the Lord says: The world hates me, and the world will hate you, because what we preach is the truth. The truth often stings the guilty, the world, so they hate and become possessed. Now, I make no profession of a prophet, but there is one who is a prophet.

What happens to his accusers? Well, history bears that out too, and scripture tells you what will happen and what is happening. Where exactly? Rev. 11-12 etc. The prophet lives, but prophets die. A grain of wheat is just a grain of wheat. But if it is put into the ground and dies, then many will live. That is the true greatness of a prophet. No greater love has any man than to lay down his life for his friends, that many may see and live. He loves you, his critic, that you may live, and if you die in the process of learning to love him, then you may have hope. Prophets do as they see the Father do: They lay down their lives, and take them up again.

What is a prophet? A prophet is one who prophecies, and it comes to pass, but more specifically it is the spirit of prophecy. Yes, every prophecy Warren tells comes to pass. WHAT? What about this, what about that . . . Every prophecy comes to pass, not to meet your fanny, or your fancy, but it comes in the good time of the Lord, and in his own way. It was prophecied that Uncle Rulon will live 320 years into the Millenium. Okay, it will come to pass. He lays down his life, and takes it up again. So he seemed to prophecy that he'll come back, raise up a kingdom to the Lord for 320 years, and then go do something else. How difficult is that? See! It may well come, just not in a way to tickle your fancy.

A prophet also heals: Your Lord did not heal all who knew of him. He didn't even heal all who knew him, for there were many who did not believe him, and to them he was just a mad man possessed of a devil. "A prophet has no honor in his own country." Yet, there are many who testify that Warren heals, and I for one. Ruth has also testified it. Yet, in Jerusalem, that did not convert anyone. They wouldn't believe the witnesses either. They had too much crime and 'self' interest to protect. Therefore, their nation was destroyed, was it not? Ah, there's you a witness to chew on. Yet Jesus will heal him, because prophets still love, even their enemy.

The Resurrection: Many profess to believe in a resurrection, and profess belief in many things of good report. It is written: "Devils believe and tremble." Yet they believe not HIM, or he who is sent. " What you do to the least, you do unto me." You all profess that would be Warren Jeffs, the least , so you do it unto Christ. "There will be 144,000 saviors on Mount Zion" and there is one even now who Yearns For Zion. Therefore, they are the ones you will have to look to for your very life, to Warren Jeffs. God told Moses, "I Am That I Am." I Am hath sent you. And today, what prophet is here among you. He can say, "I am", for Saviors on Mount Zion have a sifting to do, and they will judge the people, and give some of them life, as kings under the King of Kings. But what about the resurrection? "I Am"! He IS the resurrection. The FLDS is the reem (500), the strength of the unicorn.

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Once again I add my testomonie. I know Warren Jeffs is a prophet. I know he has healed me. I know he has spoken truth. I know he is my savior. He is my LOrd. He is my light. He is my way. He has offered me world's on end. He has offered me eternal Life. I am his girl. I am his servant. I am his humble human servant. He is my light. He is my hope. He is my Joy. I know he will continue to heal, and protect me. I add my voice, up unto the God of the Heaven's, to fulfil his word's. I am tired of lier's. I am tired of abuser's. I am tired of law's that uphold abortion's and plunder the honest in heart. What more gloriouse thing could I hope and pray for, freedom, from opression. The right to live as my consience dictates. and if I mispell a word, He does smile at me, and sing to me, and love me.

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You sound as if you think Warren is Christ!! Has the delusion gone that far?

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Opalb said: Once again I add my testomonie. I know Warren Jeffs is a prophet. I know he has healed me. I know he has spoken truth. I know he is my savior. He is my LOrd. He is my light. He is my way. He has offered me world's on end. He has offered me eternal Life. I am his girl. I am his servant. I am his humble human servant. He is my light. He is my hope. He is my Joy. I know he will continue to heal, and protect me. I add my voice, up unto the God of the Heaven's, to fulfil his word's. I am tired of lier's. I am tired of abuser's. I am tired of law's that uphold abortion's and plunder the honest in heart. What more gloriouse thing could I hope and pray for, freedom, from opression. The right to live as my consience dictates. and if I mispell a word, He does smile at me, and sing to me, and love me.

JH101 said: You sound as if you think Warren is Christ!! Has the delusion gone that far?

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Look a little deeper, folks. He is our prophet, the last of the prophets, and our Lord said this: "What you do to the least of these, ye do unto me." So if Uncle Warren is a great uncle to us, and most Christ-like, even a son of Christ, they are the same, just like the Father and Son are the same. Your Lord said: If you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father. That should suffice, although there's alot more. The way of the prophets IS the Lord, the Way. Any problem with that? And if there is light in a man, set before the people so they too can see the light, he is the light. Any problem there? Good. We knew there was still some intelligence left in the human mind to grasp some truth, if not all. Also, Sarah called Abraham, the father of all the faithful, she called him: "My Lord", as do the British ladies today call any proper gentleman. Okay, but she call Warren her savior. "And there are 144,000 saviors on Mount Zion," (quoting your Lord, Jesus Christ). It's just like the prophet LeRoy Johnson said: "You people just need to get your thinking straight." Then you'll be okay. There you have it.

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Just a follow-up to the last post: JH101 said: Has the delusion gone that far?

Yes, the world has gone that far in their delusion, for it is written: "And Lucifer shall deceive the whole world". (Rev).

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Reply to : Very Loudy:

You said: "The problem with you delusional, religious drunken fools is that all you know how to do is project your negativity on others.

I guess that's how you justify all the free handouts you receive, welfare, SSI, ACHHHS, food stamps, additions on your homes. You thieves take in over 300,000 a month just in food stamps!! and then you have the audacity to get on this forum and toot your ignorant horns.

If you had any integrity whatsoever, you'd be too embarrassed to speak. Your women are the equivalent of our unneducated prostitutes, and your men the equivalent of our pimps who enslave their whores and take their illegal gains.

On second thought, you folks are worse than STREETwalkers; you're so ignorant and brainwashed you actually believe your criminal and immoral activity is going to get you to heaven. Hmmm, but do you really believe it? Or are you just trying to convince yourselves?

What a bunch of nonsense. You folks need to grow up and start thinking for yourselves. I'm sure there's a brain-cell or two left between those ears, and if you start now, you might make up for 80 years of living in darkness.
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Street said: Well that was pretty loud, but yelling at 777 decibles doesn't substitute for telling the truth. What truth? Well, we couldn't be drunken fools. Alcohol is forbidden among the FLDS faithful. There's alcohol alright, but those who use it are not faithful, see. They're some of the ones who are excommunicated.

Negativity on others? Nay, it's very positive to be encouraging you all to allow life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. Don't talk down the giving of much life, the birth of many children. Don't talk down the liberty of worship God and to honor his prophet, and to worship how, where, and what we may. Then you begin to have merit and credibility, and guarantee your own liberty. It's very positive to acknowledge your intelligence when you see the good and hard work of a people. It's very positive for us to acknowledge that all men are candidates of the resurrection of Christ, except the son of perdition. It's very positive to talk of prophets as grains of wheat, that feed the world, that you may live. In fact, wherever there is anything positive, lovely, or of good report, we seek after these things. This is why the law has sustained us, but perhaps why the fallen are so negative. God bless you in finding something positive in life, that you too may live.

Free handouts? Ahh yes, it is free when a free people live under a free government in a free land, but all the people in the land, even in this forum, have acknowledged that the FLDS people are "a free and intelligent and hard working people." We pay millions in taxes, and in fact I believe that the faithful, the most loyal who have gathered on the YFZ Ranch in Texas, have informed the authorities that they do not wish to access the public food programs of the government, and that we want to be left alone. We'd rather work for our own support, but if some want to utilize the legal food programs anyway, what's legal is legal. But the FLDS is doing what is fair, and very fair indeed.


Unneducated prostitutes? Immaculate conception of children is hardly uneducated, nor is it hardly the prostitution of the morals of a society. Quite the opposite. But, as it is written: "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh."

Going to get you to heaven? That's not the doctrine. You're sadly misinformed. It's not a matter of "getting to heaven," but being in heaven here and now." We ARE in heaven. We've created heaven, by the work and the order and the presence of heaven among us. It's transpiring here and now. This is why the devil rages, and the people rage.

Start thinking for yourselves? Jesus said it best: "Not my will Father, buy thy will be done. Then the devil comes along and says, "Nay, reject the Father, and think for yourselves." There's the difference between white and black, good and evil, the FLDS and the world. "I am not of this world. The world has rejected me, and the world will reject you. (Jesus Christ).
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And I would say that I do not do drug's or do I drink. I stopped at the bar to get a drink of water, and to sing. I make up song's, This is a very enjoyable talent. I also had to listen to a lot of insult's, like I just heard about me. I figured it was because they all drank. I wonder what you do with your time, and why you refered to me as "the horribel insult's you did sputter, which are too vulgar for my lip's," and with the one swear word, i did say, some one commented on it, and I agreed. I do not generally swear, and I have coreccted myself. How-ever like I said, I am not ofended at all. Just the fact, that you people accknowledge me as a human, idiot, or no, is better than Dick's house, and Jum Ashurst, you know nothing about me, and Warren Jeffs, except gossip, and according to gossip, I am phisacly and mentaly incapable of taking care of myself, let alone a child. And hay, what is a few mispelled word's and incomplete grammer. I like making up new word's also. LIKE dwe-ble, which to give you a dictionary defination is: just that rant you did so utter at me; hay do it again. I need to make up a new word. I however do not need your rant to make up new word's.

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mloribee,

I certainly feel for you, if this is how you felt. I did not feel this way. Even in all my trouble, I held to the Idea, that there would be a gloriouse place for me. Warren Jeffs never did me a wrong. I am sorry at your suffering. I will say, I will not critazise you for your choices. I wish you the best.

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And Jim Ashurst, I would wonder why, you deleted street's post's. They were not half as vulgar, as laude. and other's have certainly swore. They have also critasised you. I liked this in-put. I did notice that you also threatened to deleat my post's also, until I talked of abuse, and then you seem to try, to pin it on warren too. Which makes me know what I knew in the begining. you are predjudice. other's have also, said they hate polygamist's and will never agree with them. I am comfortable with this. It was never written, that polygamy or celestial, marraige was for all people.

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And why you lie to cover up for Flora and Judith Moorse, do not forget, they sent me the paper work, to sign. I do not like Lier's of any color.

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And Jim Ashurst, I would wonder why, you deleted street's post's.
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Nobody has deleted any posts. The last time I did that was one of yours a month or so ago and you know very well why I did that.
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They were not half as vulgar, as laude. and other's have certainly swore.
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Vulgarity is not the issue. I don't care about a little swearing here and there. I know the FLDS don't like to use naughty words while they are slitting throats or defiling girls, but I look at it a bit differently. Street was banned because he was so obnoxious. Every post was in somebody's face. If he could learn to state his case without putting everyone else down he'd be alright.
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And why you lie to cover up for Flora and Judith Moorse, do not forget, they sent me the paper work, to sign. I do not like Lier's of any color.
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I don't lie. I don't know enough of your endless ongoing saga to argue with you about who did what to whom and when. I know enough to know that the FLDS in general and Warren Jeffs in particular are the root of your problem. I also know from talking to many people that there are many who sympathise with you and wish they could help you, but you are hard to help. You have a habit of turning on your friends. Sometimes you are your own enemy. I'm not saying these things to belittle you. I wish you could get yourself clear headed enough to help yourself.
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And Jim Ashurst, I would wonder why, you deleted street's post's. Nobody has deleted any posts. The last time I did that was one of yours a month or so ago and you know very well why I did that.They were not half as vulgar, as laude. and other's have certainly swore.Vulgarity is not the issue. I don't care about a little swearing here and there. I knowthe FLDS don't like to use naughty words whilethey are slitting throats or defiling girls, but I look at it a bit diffe
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Half as vulgur as Laude? Gee, I thought I went easy on Street.

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I tell you why you lie, Jim Ashurst. Warren Jeffs has not slit any throat's, nor has he ordered it. YOUR WORD'S ON THE MATTER IS ENTIRELY FALSE, AND I DO NOT LIKE LIER'S OF ANY COLOR. FLORA MAE, HAS NOT SPOKEN TRUTH SINCE SHE OPENED HER MOUTH ON T.V. AND I AM BEGINNING TO AGREE, WITH PUBLIC OPINION. YOUR ORGANISATION, IS A CHILD PERVERSION PROJECT, AND WHEN YOU KEEP LAUDE ON, AND ELIMINATE STREET, I SAY YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND BE SICK AGAIN.

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Ruth I have enjoyed your posts even though some of them are a little confusing to me, I think your heart is in the right place. I enjoyed your poetry. I don't mean to belittle you but I would like to ask you a question or two. When you are quoting the scriptures, is it from reading them, studying them or from another's mouth? And doesn't it tell us in the scriptures that if a lamb strays from the fold we should try and gather it back? Do you think Jesus would have kicked his members out? Did Jesus preach for frofit? I don't think so. I don't know any thing about Warren Jeffs except what i have read on this forum and what has been in the media. Apparently he has acquired a huge fortune. I would assume that a portion was derived from his congregation. Can you imagine how far two hundred million dollars would go to help the F.L.D.S. in your area?

One more final thought. If Warren Jeffs is a pedophile, and the A.G. has evidence to the fact he should be prosecuted and if convicted he should spend the rest of his life in prison. I believe once a pedophile always a pedophile. So Ruth if he is guilty of any part of this, do you think he would be good Prophet Material?

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To answer your question; No I do not think if he was quilty, any one I know would suport him. I do know him. I know he is not quilty. The reason he can not be prosicuted is because God has protected him. The one boy who was accusing him, was the son of his brother. his brother was excuminicated from our church, before I had my children, by his father, because he worshiped satin, and sacrificed dog's and animal's, to the devil. This boy, of ward jeffs was deprted to war over sea's. Ward Jeffs did then, bring another son, to testify, to his lie. This son of ward's, ate supper with his father, and said he was going to lay down. He died. His wife went in to check on him. He was dead. He was not ill, according to their knowledge. His heart stopped. That ended the Molestaion charges. Then they tried to take his land, by default. I think ten thousand people that love warren jeffs would have to default, also too. they did not. that ended the theif-ery of his property. then one man decided he could just pay him this amount of money, to settle. Well, that is how it is right now. let's see tomorrow, what will be tomorrow. I say if God protect's a man, he is protected. I have lived here all my life. OUr people have been sued all our life. Warren Jeffs has simply decided not to feed and cloth his enamies and pay there court fee's any more. and to the one who said, the grossest of crimnal's always say they are inacent. I agree. There is one diference in a man who say's he is not quilty, and one who is not. It is called " TRUTH" God is the final Judge. he has allowed faithful people, to be hated, and killed, yet when they come up in the reserection, they are reserected unto christ, and satin has no more power over them. quilty people are delivered up unto the devil.

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To answer your other question, I get my information from a lot of sources. I ask of God, and with in an hour he does answer. God is not limited. man is. It is written, If men lack faith, woe unto that man, for he has turned from God. I have had an answer from a begger. I get my answer's from all sources. I do reak the book of morman. I read the bible. I read a lot of thing's. one way to tell if something is from God, is if you feel a sweet feeling. if you are filled with bad feeling's you can know it is from God. God has commanded men one thing, one time, and another man another thing. Was God wrong? or did each man have different need's? It is this simple. If you start to go into a building, and you get a very stron feeling that is not comfortable, and the building catches fire, and you say "wow: I was lucky. You have been spoken to and inspired of God. On the other hand, if you are mad, because someone has insulted you, and you pick up a gun, and kill them. You have been spoken to and impressed by lucifer. We came to this earth, to learn, to train our body's. spirit talks to spirit, with thought. body's have to speak. You are not condemned by thought, or other's action's, only your own. a spirit person alone, can not make you do any thing. you have to choose to do it, and do it. There fore it is written, you are quilty for your own sin's. The devil's mission is to tempt us, to give us the most preciouse gift. the gift of free agency. You came to this earth, to choose satin, or God. What you choose, is what you will have. one will be reserected to eternal joy, or eternal sorrow, sin is the cause of sorrow. the minuet you sin, the sorrow is upon you. you do not have to die, to go to heaven or hell. heaven is joy. hell is sorrow. The earth was promised to the rightouse. I hope all acan be clasified as rightouse. I hate no man. I am not waiting for people to die, do I can have any thing. I have life. I have a bed. I have cloth's. I have friend's. I simply do not understand Jim's post's, especially since he say's he does not know me, yet he post's as he does. I am not waiting for him to die. maybe he was offended because, I said he could go ahead and get sick again. I have my weaknesses. If that is what stirred you up jim, I apolagise again.

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I do know when you lie about our church, me and uncle warren, tho. If it is because you also are gettting your information about it from other's I quess that is that.

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And I would say that I do not do drug's or do I drink. I stopped at the bar to get a drink of water, and to sing. I make up song's, This is a very enjoyable talent. I also had to listen to a lot of insult's, like I just heard about me. I figured it was because they all drank. I wonder what you do with your time, and why you refered to me as "the horribel insult's you did sputter, which are too vulgar for my lip's," and with the one swear word, i did say, some one commented on it, and I agreed. I do not generally swear, and I have coreccted myself. How-ever like I said, I am not ofended at all. Just the fact, that you people accknowledge me as a human, idiot, or no, is better than Dick's house, and Jum Ashurst, you know nothing about me, and Warren Jeffs, except gossip, and according to gossip, I am phisacly and mentaly incapable of taking care of myself, let alone a
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Well I for one want to see you stay, my reputation for destroying the english language is so well known, that I just feel in good company when I see words mispelled! Sometimes its one of my half page sentences, but so goes life.

You are right, you do make up songs and you photograph pretty good to! We met on March 3rd and yes you sang!

You know I was so taken with the dialog at the Town Hall meeting on the 3rd that I actually took David Berns suggestion and applied for the position with DES in Colorado City. I think dialog up close and personal with several here would be more fruitful in person. Its time to set aside the rumors and the "spin" that gets placed on half truths and address real issues.

Since I took several hundred photo's on March 3rd and video taped pretty much every one who attended, I think this idea of being anonymous is really just a game most of us play. Can any one imagine how interesting I would find a state employment position in the heart of Colorado City? The question is would those who follow Jeffs or Timpson welcome the opportunity to bridge the gap or would it require me to be the one to come knocking door to door? A honest job, with honest questions and honest answers, from a honest godly people would be refreshing!

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To answer your question; No I do not think if he was quilty, any one I know would suport him. I do know him. I know he is not quilty. The reason he can not be prosicuted is because God has protected him. The one boy who was accusing him, was the son of his brother. his brother was excuminicated from our church, before I had my children, by his father, because he worshiped satin, and sacrificed dog's and animal's, to the devil. This boy, of ward jeffs was deprted to war over sea's. Ward Jeffs did then, bring another son, to testify, to his lie. This son of ward's, ate supper with his father, and said he was going to lay down. He died. His wife went in to check on him. He was dead. He was not ill, according to their knowledge. His heart stopped. That ended the Molestaion charges. Then they tried to take his land, by default. I think ten thousand people that love warren jeffs
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A simple question Ruth? Rodney Parker does not work for free and was in court this month representing Walter Steed, who paid the attorney fees? Then on February 7th and the 24th Rodney Parker was in court representing Rodney Holm's appeal, who paid Mr. Parker? Snow, Christensen and Martineau are not charitable institutions and neither Walter or Rodney can afford these fees. The idea that Warren has dismissed the attorneys is more of a ploy. While Parker may not represent Warren, he does represent FLDS interest. The concept of not having a relationship between Jeffs and Parker was convenient and prevented attorneys from serving papers on Warren via his attorneys, but in truth Warren is still footing certain bills.

The class action of Jeffs vs Stubbs between 1987 and 1998 cost the FLDS between 3-4 million dollars and having lost the case, someone with devine wisdom could of bought off the 22 families cheaper and with more honesty. LeRoy Johnson publicly stated that the evictions by forceable detainer was not the honest approach to getting apostates to leave. Paying attorneys Warrens way has squandered tithing monies that could of provided for the welfare of the faithful, instead of forcing many to otherwise rely on public assistance.

The truth as you say is what those like Rulon Jeffs has stated under oath. I have Rulon Jeffs 1989 deposition, almost 150 pages that detail the financial interest of the UEP and FLDS corporations under the umbrella of "Majestic Trust" and other registered corporations that Warren and Leroy now control. If you really understood how money has been squandered under Warren's leadership, you and others would be shocked. I know Ward Jeffs and know of his experience in Vietnam. I know that Warren pushed Ward out and other brothers, but needs LeRoy because like his father in Rulon, LeRoy keeps the books and without LeRoy this ship would of sunk long ago.

When I take that Job in Colorado City, I will show you these depositions that were notorized and signed by Rulon Jeffs and you can tell me which parts are lies?
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Jay Beswick. I will say this. Warren Jeffs has alway's helped his people. This is understandable, that he would help these men. It is understandable, that people would be paid for their Job. I am very curiouse as to why Walter Steed would be in court, tho, as he is the Judge that was going to take my trespassing case. I was told I would have to reschedule, for some reason tho. I wondered, If Willard decided this, since I have acourt order, made by Willard to see my children on the property, and he could not face me, and go to Jail for kidnapping my children, attempting to dispose of me, Or what. I do not know Walter Steed personally, but I have hearf very good thing's of him. I think it is wise to be informed of a man that is going to Judge me, tho. I did not anticipate any trouble, as willard, had conveniently prepared it all for me. With him, it is Just a matter of which one of his and Dick's court paper's they want me to use to convict them. From there own lip's do they bring forth the Judgement. I am looking forward to meeting you, Jay Beswick. When are you coming out?

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I would add this too, thank God for LeRoy. And as to Rodney Losing his case, he did not. The truth was not presented in Rodney case. This case was a case to try polygamist's and put in illegal law's, so Crimnal's like the anti-Christ could completly murder and destroy all my people, as Judith Moorse, and Flora, and some such are trying to do. Do not forget, I also took a ride on the A.B.C. truck. I know about the human slave market. I know some of it's participant's. I also Know, that with out the mercy of Jesus, I would be in the heaven's lilke my sister, and my daughter's murdered in cold blood, for no other reason that I am a christian and come from Colorado City, and wear cloth's. I know also that this Warren Jeffs did save my life. I am interested in stopping these cold blooded murder's. What about you Jay Beswick? What about your interest's in this. Do you believe you have a right to remove a person from their home, and force your veiw's on them, because you disagree with them. I will tell you this too. I sat in the precence of Rulon Jeffs when He told me What Ward did. His father is the one who excumunicated him. Uncle Rulon also said, that he would not remove these traitor's, the Law would. Maybe he said this, because they are the child molester's, and the murder's. All other's God has alowed to remain upon his Land.

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And, I will point out; we have alway's had the law. I think if you stick to your job, you will be o.k. and remember a peeping tom, is just that, a peeping tom, even if he is in a uniform. If, you are investigating a case, that is one thing, but if you are looking to make a case, that is another. I think that people who need the law, will come to you. I do not anticipate going myself to the colorado city police department, as they have been predudice, and violent to me. I think when it comes to law, it should be just that. NOT RELIGIOUSE HARASSMENT. These cop's do not know me at all personally, and they all knew, I had a court order to be there, and permission from the owner of the land. I do not under stand their behavior, but I am not going to press charges, unless I need to to get my children. I have a five year old daughter, that I want to be protected. So, Far every one has made fun of me. I have a right as an american citazin, too. That is why I came to this other office. I may debate veiw's here, but in court, it is law to be considered. I have harmed no one. I petition for the right's of all, Not the right's of just a few. I do have an old arizonia law book tho, that say's when the majority of the people, make law's to inflick, un-just law's on the minority, the minority can over-ride the majority.

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Ruth, I am very glad to hear that you are going through channels to get to visit your children.
Did the police give you a reason that they came and arrested you? Do they know about the court order for visitation?
I don't know how visitation rights work (thank God), but how are you supposed to get to see your kids?! This is baffling to me.

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Incedently, Warren Jeffs can not be blamed. He did try to get me to talk to him. I was too tramitized. I was told by Dick he owned me. I thought he did. I thought he owned the state. When I began to comunicate with Warren Jeffs these men could not touch me, tho they tried. and Charlene tought my children in school, so I had no question's from her. I love her very much. She said, I heard this and I know it is not true. She said I knew you when your children were in school. that was that. at any rate, Warren is not the district attorney. This is a Job for the state, not the church, tho warren has helped me.

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I will add you can not blame warren jeffs for these men's abuse either. He did what he could to help me. He still does what he can to help me. Love is the most preciouse gift.

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The Resurrection: Many profess to believe in a resurrection, and profess belief in many things of good report. It is written: "Devils believe and tremble." Yet they believe not HIM, or he who is sent. " What you do to the least, you do unto me." You all profess that would be Warren Jeffs, the least , so you do it unto Christ. "There will be 144,000 saviors on Mount Zion" and there is one even now who Yearns For Zion. Therefore, they are the ones you will have to look to for your very life, to Warren Jeffs. God told Moses, "I Am That I Am." I Am hath sent you. And today, what prophet is here among you. He can say, "I am", for Saviors on Mount Zion have a sifting to do, and they will judge the people, and give some of them life, as kings under the King of Kings. But what about the resurrection? "I Am"! He IS the resurrection. The FLDS is the reem (500), the strength of the unicorn.
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Forumreader said: Hey street, I see you haven't posted for awhile. Come on, give us some more! Inspire us, lift us up. this stuff is great. I hate polygs. At least I thought I did, but I feel like King Agrippa already, street. He said to the Apostle Paul: "Thou almost persuadeth me to be a Christian (or fundamentalist christian, like it must have been in that early day of Christianity).

So how can we get street to liven this place up again. He's really got sdome amizing perspectuves.

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Street got booted. You can find him here: http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=647990&NoCaches=Yes
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Reply to : forumreaderStreet got booted. You can find him here:http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=647990&NoCaches=Yes
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Yes. I excommunicated him. So he went away and founded his own forum. It's sort of like, I'm the FLDS and he's the Second Ward. (Or would it be the other way around?)
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This is what I mean by how interesting and organized Street's posts are:

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What happens to prophets? Well, history bears that out. First of all they're the ones who are hated, as the Lord says: The world hates me, and the world will hate you, because what we preach is the truth. The truth often stings the guilty, the world, so they hate and become possessed. Now, I make no profession of a prophet, but there is one who is a prophet.

What happens to his accusers? Well, history bears that out too, and scripture tells you what will happen and what is happening. Where exactly? Rev. 11-12 etc. The prophet lives, but prophets die. A grain of wheat is just a grain of wheat. But if it is put into the ground and dies, then many will live. That is the true greatness of a prophet. No greater love has any man than to lay down his life for his friends, that many may see and live. He loves you, his critic, that you may live, and if you die in the process of learning to love him, then you may have hope. Prophets do as they see the Father do: They lay down their lives, and take them up again.

What is a prophet? A prophet is one who prophecies, and it comes to pass, but more specifically it is the spirit of prophecy. Yes, every prophecy Warren tells comes to pass. WHAT? What about this, what about that . . . Every prophecy comes to pass, not to meet your fanny, or your fancy, but it comes in the good time of the Lord, and in his own way. It was prophecied that Uncle Rulon will live 320 years into the Millenium. Okay, it will come to pass. He lays down his life, and takes it up again. So he seemed to prophecy that he'll come back, raise up a kingdom to the Lord for 320 years, and then go do something else. How difficult is that? See! It may well come, just not in a way to tickle your fancy.

A prophet also heals: Your Lord did not heal all who knew of him. He didn't even heal all who knew him, for there were many who did not believe him, and to them he was just a mad man possessed of a devil. "A prophet has no honor in his own country." Yet, there are many who testify that Warren heals, and I for one. Ruth has also testified it. Yet, in Jerusalem, that did not convert anyone. They wouldn't believe the witnesses either. They had too much crime and 'self' interest to protect. Therefore, their nation was destroyed, was it not? Ah, there's you a witness to chew on. Yet Jesus will heal him, because prophets still love, even their enemy.

The Resurrection: Many profess to believe in a resurrection, and profess belief in many things of good report. It is written: "Devils believe and tremble." Yet they believe not HIM, or he who is sent. " What you do to the least, you do unto me." You all profess that would be Warren Jeffs, the least , so you do it unto Christ. "There will be 144,000 saviors on Mount Zion" and there is one even now who Yearns For Zion. Therefore, they are the ones you will have to look to for your very life, to Warren Jeffs. God told Moses, "I Am That I Am." I Am hath sent you. And today, what prophet is here among you. He can say, "I am", for Saviors on Mount Zion have a sifting to do, and they will judge the people, and give some of them life, as kings under the King of Kings. But what about the resurrection? "I Am"! He IS the resurrection. The FLDS is the reem (500), the strength of the unicorn.
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I like what fincenMIB said about street, on 03/25/2005, on street's new forum. He said: Street, there is a polished ring to the soundness of your statements. Someone at the Town Hall meeting had this same polished and quick-witted response."

Hey, I just noticed from the stats, that during the time Street was posting here, the forum activing has more than tripled on a day to day basis. Then, the days after you all banned him, it tricked back to its normal sleep mode, like a Dead Sea. Is that what you all want in a forum. Like I said, his "Immaculate Conception" thread has far more views than any other thread in the history of this forum over a two-year period, and his thread is only a month old. Gees guys, go figure. Is that what you all like banned from the forum? And why? I heard something from Jim about his "in-your-face" style. So! That's what makes it challenging, and that's what awakens the mind. If you all are so sheepish and brainwashed that you can't handle challenging dialog and debate, where does that leave you all? Let's bring the guy back. Can we do a poll here? Will Jim cooperate?

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Forum reader are you On the streets? Couldnt handle not being able to post? You compliment him so much makes me wonder if you had to create another login. I guess with Warren not letting anyone talk to anyone maybe creating two logins and talking to yourself isnt a bad idea.

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Forum reader are you On the streets? Couldnt handle not being able to post? You compliment him so much makes me wonder if you had to create another login. I guess with Warren not letting anyone talk to anyone maybe creating two logins and talking to yourself isnt a bad idea.
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Oh, sorry. I forgot. No pro-polyg allowed on the forum. One-sided only. Okay, I'm in. I hate polygs as much as any other little devil. I just saw how intelligent his posts were, and had to laugh at some of you, that's all. If my hate of polygs compliments him, I guess everything you all say about him also compliments him. If some interesting and challenging posts spark as much interest as streets has, I'm all for it. I don't care if street is actually Warren Jeffs. It's just really interesting stuff. What do you think?

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I did not find his posts intellegent at all. (On the street) He slammed other posters and used lots of double talk. He used condesending language "my little ones" and "poor little...." in many posts. It was rude. I like open and straight forward conversation, not patronizing preaching.
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Amen.
In FLDS'ese that means I agree.

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sorry. I forgot. No pro-polyg allowed on the forum. One-sided only. Okay, I'm in. I hate polygs as much as any other little devil. I just saw how intelligent his posts were, and had to laugh at some of you, that's all. If my hate of polygs compliments him, I guess everything you all say about him also compliments him. If some interesting and challenging posts spark as much interest as streets has, I'm all for it. I don't care if
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I am pro polygamy and they haven't kicked me off. I definitely did not agree with Street in his views. He was more pro Warren than pro polygamy. He didn't want to hear any other view than his own. If anyone dared to contradict him he spouted off a string of putdowns.

If you could convince Street to converse and even argue without spewing out insults and putdowns I wouldn't mind if he were allowed back on. Still, he isn't even a fair representative of Warrenites. Many of the views he gives and things he says are against the Warrenite teachings, go figure.

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I did not find his posts intellegent at all. (On the street) He slammed other posters and used lots of double talk. He used condesending language "my little ones" and "poor little...." in many posts. It was rude. I like open and straight forward conversation, not patronizing preaching.
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Talk about double-talk. Did any of you guys take debating classes at college, or debate in professional life. That's what it's all about, communicating messages with language that gets peoples' attention and effectively gets the point across. Since when is 'slamming' or condescending language outlawed in any civilized society. That's the language of dialog and debate. I read street's posts, all the ones I could find, and I tell you what: He just got your attention, that's all, and with clarity, and without taking the Lord's name in vain. You see alot worse language from the other posts, and not nearly as effective in demonstrating a point. You may not find his posts "intelligent at all", but fincinMIB sure did, and I sure did, and Opalb sure did, and some of the others. Gees, even Jim was complimenting him, until it was looking like Jim lost the debate. So to save face and take the easy way out, he just banned Street, and thought he was doing someone a favor. Look at your forum. It's DEAD. Now go back and look at it when Street and Opalb were posting. It was alive. You all acknowleged Ruth's contribution too, but you all succeeded in failing by forcing her out too.

onthestreet said...

Texas Blog (Apr-May 2005)

onthestreet said...
Fascinating Said:
Did my little rant convince you to change your beliefes? Of course not. Neither do your rants convince me. So, please, let's get back to something a little more constructive. Something like deciding how we can send Warren Jeffs to jail for the remainder of his natural life. God can deal with him after that.

Street's Reply: Okay, how is that constructive. When thousands hold him to be the most innocent man on earth, first of all how many men on earth can claim such loyal esteem from even a dozen citizens of the planet, such as to consider you the greatest and most innocent in existence, let alone thousands!

Now, considering that, how can it be considered constructive, or even intelligible, to place a great and innocent man in jail? What, do you prophecy your own fate? Just as intelligible, no far more so, for anyone to place you in jail, considering that so few witnesses consider you to be the greatest and most innocent person alive. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

So please, let's get back to something far more constructive, something like. . . (and then all mankind on the earth can fill in the blank in 6-billion different ways, considering there are that many people and that many opinions, minus 10,000 FLDS, which is only one opinion 10,000 STRONG!

4/24/2005 3:23 PM


onthestreet said...
Anony-mouse said: but... "When the wicked rule the people mourn" oops- that was from the Bible. (A wise King with a lot of wives)

P.S. Your world is not peaceful

4/23/2005 4:20 PM

Street's Reply: Right, and Right. America and the world mourns with terror,and millions of exported jobs, and millions of slain babies, and trillions in national debt, and homelessness and disease and doom everywhere. . . "And they shall cry, peace, peach, and there shall be no peace.

That is, everywhere except in the FLDS community, where they buy and build and love and worship God as best as anyone, so much so as to even build him a house to live in. How many people have built a glorious house for the Lord, and then live and encircle around it as one people, according to the Word that says: My people shall be gathered in one place,as one people, and live together in love?

They seem to have cast me out, and spurned me, so like all of you I must be insensed and weap and wail and gnash my teeth, if didn't judge only myself and become what I can be, and let a good people be what they are. The truth is the truth, whether we like it or not. The nation and the world has proven guilty enough to warrent terror, and many reasons to mourn, while the FLDS rejoice and live in peace. If you can't keep up with the Jones', do you turn on them like a good citizen?

Christ was a good citizen, and if the FLDS were your enemy, well: "Love your enemy." This from your Lord and Redeemer. They considered him a lawbreaker, to the point of slaying him, and what happened. The people mourned for two-thousand years.

4/24/2005 3:39 PM


Anonymous said...
The thing that you have to answer (each for himself) is whether or not you are being persecuted for rightousness sake, or being prosecuted for your own sins. You don't get to have it both ways.

Anony-mouse

4/24/2005 4:15 PM


Anonymous said...
Ezek. 33: 12

12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

4/24/2005 4:31 PM


Anonymous said...
thanks a lot, Stinger.
remind me not to include you on my christmas list

mom...yes
dad...yes
wife...yes
kids...yes
neighbors...yes
Stinger...nope, no way

keep sweet eldorado
stg

4/24/2005 5:22 PM


Men In Black Said: Lets take a more serious look at who facilitated and enabled Rulon, followed by Warren to grow to the size he is today and offer credit where credit is do!

onthestreet said...
Giving God the credit.

4/26/2005 12:22 PM


Anonymous said...
STREET

Warren is no inocent and you know it. Dumb followers doesn't prove innocense and Warren isn't the first nor I dare say the last who will claim thousands of lazy followers who wish to be taken to heaven without thinking for themselves, sure salvation, just do what I say, easy!

Some one start Street his own string like you did for Ruth, you are in for a lot of baloney.

woman who stayed with her man-

4/25/2005 3:10 PM


onthestreet said...
texas Cow Girl said...
Howdy, again I find myself in the unenvyable position of defending the oppressed. This time it is Ruth. Ruth My dear, I was so touched by Your

Street's Reply: You didn't defend anybody. You just grossly insulted her, and showed how degraded you are. If that is representative of Texas, Schliecher County, and Eldorado, then the joke is really on you all. I'm of the mind to take you to a lashing like I do on the Canadian Blog, but I don't feel inclined to say much here. Measure yourselves. You'll see alot more of my mind over there.

4/25/2005 10:09 PM


onthestreet said...
Anony-mouse Said: but just like the jews in the nazi germany, they won't make waves in hopes that they will be passed over undetected. But they are wrong. Their turn will come. They are nothing to Warren, only to be used as slave labor and discarded.

But they pushed one too far on me. When they came to disconnect my power and water I had media there to video it, and low and behold, they turned it back on in an hour. oops, we made a mistake. Oh boy, you sure did!

If they would do that to us, they would do it to others.

woman who stayed with her man-

4/25/2005 3:04 PM

Street's Reply: Has it come to that, you think? America like Nazi Germany.

4/25/2005 10:14 PM


Texas Cow Girl said...
On The Street Said; Blah blah blah blah blah blah (yawn) blah blah blah blah blah blaa etc.
Cow Girl says: Good to have You on board. I'll bet our friend Warren is just pinching himself over his incredible good fortune to have You ,Me and Ruth as His spokespersons. How could He possibly have found anyone better. You should be proud. I'm looking forward to working with You to dispel the rumors and lies told about this wonderful man.

4/25/2005 11:18 PM


Anonymous said...
Stinger

....yep he found us alright... he's too aggressive to be a she....maybe gay and heterophobic?

on the flip side, I'm thinking a guy like him could get dangerous. bad combination. smart, aggressive, sick minded, lonely, no social skills, no tact, no humility. I was thinking about doing a song parody on him from Eminem's 'Stan', but after reviewing the lyrics I realized this guy fits the bill. (could care less if he drives his car into a lake, but I'd worry for the person in the trunk.)

in fact I'd consider closing the fruit stand...quite frankly, it stinks

keep sweet eldorado
stg

4/25/2005 11:29 PM


Stinger said...
texas cowgirl, beware the lashing from ol' fruity. He's got us crying over on the Canadian blog. Just like a mosquito. Pretty harmless, but annoying as hell. Though the buzzing of a mosquito has a lot more meaning to it andis way more understandable.

4/26/2005 10:40 AM


Men In Black said...
Eye Witness
&
Woman Who Stayed With Her Man

Who is now the legal council in Hildale? Is it still Ron W. Thompson?

MIB

4/26/2005 11:05 AM


Anonymous said...
What's this about a Canadian blog? Where can I find it?

4/26/2005 2:04 PM


onthestreet said...
Anony mouse said:
You can never go back. What's more, THESE are the good old days. Sad, huh?

And I agree. Those poor kids deserve a better education. Well, nice talking to you.

4/23/2005 11:15 PM

Street's Reply: I've also been out for years, but you can ALWAYS (not never) go back. I go back every Sabbath. As for your education, you've missed the mystery. You get the highest education with the Prophet, far beyond those doctorates, but it's all hidden in the mystery of godliness. If one is not godly, then of course, it is lost to you.

4/26/2005 12:40 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
If the old Joe you are speaking happens to be the Prophet Joseph Smith..then you have alot more on your plate to worry about! Bologna man..

4/25/2005 2:11 PM

Street's Reply: Correct, ALOT more on your plate, the ultimate banquet.

4/26/2005 12:43 PM


Baloney Guy said...
Verily, I say unto anonymous 11:38, get thee behind me stupid. Learneth thou to spelleth and speaketh, even rightly so and repent forthwith of thy ignorance. Thus sayeth the Lord thy God through his new Prophet Baloney Guy. Amen, and Amen.

4/26/2005 12:45 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous Said:
We love Warren Jeffs. He is our apple pie, delight. Desert in our deserette', raining skies. It is raining. What is your weather like?

4/25/2005 4:15 PM

Street's Reply: Yes, he is all this, and far more. If the world knew him truly, they would flock to him like bees to honey. That is a fact. How so? For what he knows, and for what holds, and for what he gives, and for how he lives.

4/26/2005 12:49 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
I would have to say she's got a lot of things wrong. How could her testimony ever be considered reliable or admissable?

4/15/2005 11:39 AM


Street's Reply: The world has alot of things wrong, and how in a court of law can any testimony ever be considered reliable or admissible? This is why there is so much perjury in your courts, because there is so much wrong, without a prophet, without a light, just feeling your way in the darkness.

4/26/2005 12:53 PM




Friday, April 08, 2005
Song Parodies
Please post your song parodies here. Maybe we can keep them all under one heading and they won't clutter up the other threads.

posted by weblog administrator at 6:39 PM | 46 comments


Street's Reply: There are such beautiful songs that take me back:

Redeemer of Israel
Joseph Smith's First Prayer
We Thank Thee O God For A Prophet
O I Have Such A Pretty Dream Mamma

And thousands like them. Oh, how it takes me back. Oh, how it takes me back. I am nearly there, now.

4/26/2005 1:00 PM


onthestreet said...
The Prophet Warren has the most heavenly voice, if ever you heard him sing. May I be one who shares in his song, "Yearning For Zion."

4/26/2005 1:02 PM


Thursday, April 07, 2005
April 7th "Aftermath"
April 7th - Sheriff , Tax Assessor and Water Board enter YFZ ranch to complete tasks that were scheduled for April sixth but cancelled due to large media influx. No catastrophic event noted!

posted by Sergeant Friday at 9:10 PM | 79 comments

Street’s Reply: Ah yes, the aftermath. The world has ended for many. All that's left is the sweeping up.

4/26/2005 1:03 PM



redraider said...
What's next? Everyone goes home, goes to bed and then one of God's most amazing miracles occurs...

The sun rises again.

4/6/2005 5:29 PM

Street's Reply: There you have it. That's it. Proof of a merciful God, and a merciful representation upon the earth. He never predicted the blowing up of a planet, the fierce Pulitzer-seeking media did, and the activists active in fantacy and hate. Yet, the rising of the sun again in your face, and the continued silence of his prophet, is an activist God active in reality and love. If the babbling world is spared more days to realize the truth and to catch a glimpse of his light, why mock him?

4/26/2005 1:08 PM


Anonymous said...
Back on topic again;
There are many definitions of
being a "Christian"Evangelicals
have their own.Catholics another,Lds another,Jehovahs Witnesses another.Too the 9-11 Muslim extremists,We are all
Christian.So,as I pointed out in my last post,Eldoradans,Texans,Have
no fear that Warren will try to convert your daughters,Lead them astray.whatever.Warren only has power over his own followers.He doesnt want or accept converts.

4/23/2005 4:42 PM


Street's Reply: To be Christian is to be hated: "Those who live in Christ Jesus SHALL suffer persecution."(The Word of the Lord)

To be Christian is to be meek: "The meek shall inherit the earth." I know one man who is so meek, that he says nothing while all the world spews their venum and their vomit on him. Yet, the viper never harms him.

To be Christian is to be pure: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall inherit the earth." Yet, the whole world is gone a whoring, and calls it good, while blaspheming the bearing of children. "Let the little children come." (The Word of the Lord).

To be Christian is to be many things that he is (WSJ), while the world does the opposite and seals their fate.

4/26/2005 1:16 PM


Sunday, April 03, 2005
Success has Warren Jeffs audio
I just found some Warren Jeffs audio clips on the Success website. The man is a horrible racist. Listen for yourself!

http://www.myeldorado.net/YFZ%20Pages/YFZ040305.html

posted by Eye Witness at 8:30 PM | 112 comments


Street’s Reply:
"Success has Warren Jeffs audio?"

Warren Jeffs has success.

4/26/2005 1:21 PM



FLDS at Egoatarod?
Eldorado is having it's annual Elgoatarod festival today. Will we see any of Warren's followers there?

Street's Reply: No, the sheep and the goats don't mix.

4/26/2005 1:23 PM



Anonymous said...
YFZ members remind me of hemroids. They are a pain in the ass and once they come down you can't get them to go back up!!

4/5/2005 10:15 AM

Street's Reply: Yes, and once God comes down, you can not get him to go back up. He'll be one pain in the ass, but a joy to some. "Few there be that find it."
(the Word of the Lord).

4/26/2005 1:25 PM



altaacadummy said...
WARREN: YOU ARE A USELESS PUKE AND I HOPE SOMEDAY SOON YOU END UP IN PRISON AND THE HONEST, FEAR CONSUMED PEOPLE IN YOUR GRASP CAN SEE THE LIGHT OF FREEDOM
BURN IN HELL, WARREN, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO HEAVEN, I'LL DO ANYTHING TO AVOID IT

4/22/2005 8:18 AM

Street's Reply: Aca-dummy is right (a dummy).

4/26/2005 1:27 PM




FLDS at Egoatarod?
Eldorado is having it's annual Elgoatarod festival today. Will we see any of Warren's followers there?

Street's Reply: No, the sheep and the goats don't mix.

4/26/2005 1:23 PM



Anonymous said...
YFZ members remind me of hemroids. They are a pain in the ass and once they come down you can't get them to go back up!!

4/5/2005 10:15 AM

Street's Reply: Yes, and once God comes down, you can not get him to go back up. He'll be one pain in the ass, but a joy to some. "Few there be that find it."
(the Word of the Lord).

4/26/2005 1:25 PM



altaacadummy said...
WARREN: YOU ARE A USELESS PUKE AND I HOPE SOMEDAY SOON YOU END UP IN PRISON AND THE HONEST, FEAR CONSUMED PEOPLE IN YOUR GRASP CAN SEE THE LIGHT OF FREEDOM
BURN IN HELL, WARREN, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO HEAVEN, I'LL DO ANYTHING TO AVOID IT

4/22/2005 8:18 AM

Street's Reply: Aca-dummy is right (a dummy).

4/26/2005 1:27 PM


Anony mouse Said:
Warrenites dont read wicked Gentile
/Apostate blogs.Muchless participate.Fruity you know you should repent.PREFERABLY from afar.
Keep sweet Edorado,
Son no. 16
Native born Creeker.

4/25/2005 8:29 PM

Street's Reply: You I should (Repent). I have searched my soul, and I feel to repent, which I do (from afar). I suppose this makes me different. Not to repent of the virtue of communicating, be of the grossness that many of you represent and communicate here, which is neither civil or educated, much less dignified or indicative of your ascendency over the FLDS Church.

4/25/2005 10:26 PM


onthestreet said...
Correction: Yes, I should repent. . .

4/26/2005 1:29 PM


onthestreet said...
. . . and I do from afar, so how about you, Atar.

4/26/2005 1:31 PM



Anonymous said...
Why are you up at 1:30 in the morning?

Thanks for the Eldorado grammar check.

I did get tired of reading El Dorado.

3/31/2005 8:01 AM

Street's Reply: El is God, dorado is Red, symbolic of judgement, just as Colorado (city) is symbolic of Red, literally 'color red'. So both places will be especially touched by the judgements of God, having rejected the prophets. The naming of the places were according to the foreknowledge of God.

4/26/2005 1:36 PM


onthestreet said...
redraider said...
What's next? Everyone goes home, goes to bed and then one of God's most amazing miracles occurs...

The sun rises again.

4/6/2005 5:29 PM

Street's Reply: There you have it. That's it. Proof of a merciful God, and a merciful representation upon the earth. He never predicted the blowing up of a planet, the fierce Pulitzer-seeking media did, and the activists active in fantacy and hate. Yet, the rising of the sun again in your face, and the continued silence of his prophet, is an activist God active in reality and love. If the babbling world is spared more days to realize the truth and to catch a glimpse of his light, why mock him?

4/26/2005 1:08 PM


Anonymous said...
To onthestreet 1:08 PM:

It should be quite obvious streatheart, profit Warren is mocked simply because he is so remockable . . .

4/26/2005 2:40 PM


onthestreet said...
Why thank you for your kind suggestion regarding myself as a sweatheart, and further suggesting him as remarkable. So it is. Yes, he is mocked, simply because he is remarkable, even peculiar.

"My people shall be a peculiar people," saith the Lord.

Yes, your Lord has been mocked more than any living being. Does that make him wrong, and the world right? Obviously, you are smarter than that. You speak well if dignitaries, even if they are hated. Satan hates God's elect. If you are so fortunate to be among that class, you are fortunate indeed.

4/26/2005 3:35 PM


Anonymous said...
Street, you're making me tired! We've already read all the posts on this thread. You don't need to quote them at length and then reply in the third person. You're not a newspaper and if we wanted to read one, we'd be somewhere else. Just refer to something and quit re-posting it!

4/26/2005 9:21 PM


weblog administrator said...
To onthestreet:
I know you have been banned from other boards and blogs. Stop clogging this blog up if you want to continue participating. Everyone here knows what has been posted. You don't need to repost. I'm asking you nicely to comply. Otherwise your posts will start disappearing. Understand?

Weblog Administrator

4/26/2005 9:46 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
Street, you're making me tired! We've already read all the posts on this thread. You don't need to quote them at length and then reply in the third person. You're not a newspaper and if we wanted to read one, we'd be somewhere else. Just refer to something and quit re-posting it!

4/26/2005 9:21 PM

Street's Reply: Yes, you make me very tired. As for how I communicate, if I communicated the way you wanted me to, then it wouldn't be my communication anymore, would it. It would be yours, censored through a third person, and that of course would be intollerable by your own definition. I need to quote and reply as I see fit, until of course our nation reverts to Nazism. It takes all of about three seconds to see that something is a repost, and I do that selectively to relate it to my reply, unless I am replying to a post immediately preceeding mine. Then there is no need to repost.

It's an insult to even suggest that you should tell others how to communicate, where there is a freedom of speech. You violate your own constitution and the constitution or free agency of man.

4/26/2005 9:53 PM


onthestreet said...
Weblog Admin said. . .

Street's Reply: Is that better?
Sure, I'll try to be briefer, and briefer, and briefer.

4/26/2005 10:10 PM

weblog administrator said...
Ahem...
That's better. Thanks for understanding.

4/26/2005 10:15 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous Said: I said: Stop having the babies! I did not say kill the babies! Give the babies to a family that will value them and give them opportunties for Freedom of choice in the life they want to lead. You are taking away the childs choice by showing them nothing but polygamy!
GBNF

4/22/2005 4:18 PM

Street's Reply: First of all, this is but only 25% of the post, so it's not a repost, just a small portion of one to make the point:

Ah yes, you are telling everyone to stop having babies. Who are you to dictate to God, how many children that he will create and have come unto him? Then you advocate giving them away.

Very indicative of your crimes, as a society.

4/26/2005 10:19 PM

Anonymous said...
Street Fruit,

I do not dictate to God.
I ask that human beings use the tools, that God has provided us with, to control our procreation. Think before you bring a child into the world. Think about what you can offer that child. And give the future a chance for something other than ****ed up, disfunctional street fruit.

GBNF

4/26/2005 10:47 PM


Anonymous said...
warren jeffs= "american" (apple) "pie"? perfect!LOL!

4/26/2005 11:06 PM


Anonymous said...
AB, you say the law was given after the church abandoned its princples. But John Taylor got the revelation in 1886 and the church did away with plural marriage in 1890. I don't think the church is guilty of abandoning anything. Simple math and history can prove that.

4/26/2005 11:49 PM


Anonymous said...
You are right about John Taylor receiving the revelation. I'm sorry. However, the mainstream church did abandon the principle of Celestial Marriage (wich includes the plurality of wives). A simple look into history proves that.

4/27/2005 12:09 AM


just my opinion said...
I have just one question... why would ANY MAN that Warren has de-familied WANT to get back in his good graces? Their family is already gone, wives are already in another man's bed... what good will it do to get back? Just looking for some understanding.

4/27/2005 10:42 AM


onthestreet said...
Street's Reply: To be Christian is to be hated: "Those who live in Christ Jesus SHALL suffer persecution."(The Word of the Lord)

To be Christian is to be meek: "The meek shall inherit the earth." I know one man who is so meek, that he says nothing while all the world spews their venum and their vomit on him. Yet, the viper never harms him.

To be Christian is to be pure: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall inherit the earth." Yet, the whole world is gone a whoring, and calls it good, while blaspheming the bearing of children. "Let the little children come." (The Word of the Lord).

To be Christian is to be many things that he is (WSJ), while the world does the opposite and seals their fate.

4/26/2005 1:16 PM


onthestreet said...
"Success has Warren Jeffs audio"

Warren Jeffs has success.

4/26/2005 1:21 PM


onthestreet said...
FLDS at Egoatarod?
Eldorado is having it's annual Elgoatarod festival today. Will we see any of Warren's followers there?

Street's Reply: No, the sheep and the goats don't mix.

4/26/2005 1:23 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
YFZ members remind me of hemroids. They are a pain in the ass and once they come down you can't get them to go back up!!

4/5/2005 10:15 AM

Street's Reply: Yes, and once God comes down, you can not get him to go back up. He'll be one pain in the ass, but a joy to some. "Few there be that find it."
(the Word of the Lord).

4/26/2005 1:25 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
Why are you up at 1:30 in the morning?

Thanks for the Eldorado grammar check.

I did get tired of reading El Dorado.

3/31/2005 8:01 AM

Street's Reply: El is God, dorado is Red, symbolic of judgement, just as Colorado (city) is symbolic of Red, literally 'color red'. So both places will be especially touched by the judgements of God, having rejected the prophets. The naming of the places were according to the foreknowledge of God.

4/26/2005 1:36 PM



onthestreet said...
Anonymous Said: I said: Stop having the babies! I did not say kill the babies! Give the babies to a family that will value them and give them opportunties for Freedom of choice in the life they want to lead. You are taking away the childs choice by showing them nothing but polygamy!
GBNF

4/22/2005 4:18 PM

Street's Reply: First of all, this is but only 25% of the post, so it's not a repost, just a small portion of one to make the point:

Ah yes, you are telling everyone to stop having babies. Who are you to dictate to God, how many children that he will create and have come unto him? Then you advocate giving them away.

Very indicative of your crimes, as a society.

4/26/2005 10:19 PM


Anonymous said...
Street Fruit,

I do not dictate to God.
I ask that human beings use the tools, that God has provided us with, to control our procreation. Think before you bring a child into the world. Think about what you can offer that child. And give the future a chance for something other than ****ed up, disfunctional street fruit.

GBNF

4/26/2005 10:47 PM


Anonymous said...
warren jeffs= "american" (apple) "pie"? perfect!LOL!

4/26/2005 11:06 PM


Anonymous said...
AB, you say the law was given after the church abandoned its princples. But John Taylor got the revelation in 1886 and the church did away with plural marriage in 1890. I don't think the church is guilty of abandoning anything. Simple math and history can prove that.

4/26/2005 11:49 PM


Anonymous said...
You are right about John Taylor receiving the revelation. I'm sorry. However, the mainstream church did abandon the principle of Celestial Marriage (wich includes the plurality of wives). A simple look into history proves that.

4/27/2005 12:09 AM


just my opinion said...
I have just one question... why would ANY MAN that Warren has de-familied WANT to get back in his good graces? Their family is already gone, wives are already in another man's bed... what good will it do to get back? Just looking for some understanding.

4/27/2005 10:42 AM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
Street Fruit,

I do not dictate to God.
I ask that human beings use the tools, that God has provided us with, to control our procreation. Think before you bring a child into the world. Think about what you can offer that child. And give the future a chance for something other than ****ed up, disfunctional street fruit.

GBNF

4/26/2005 10:47 PM

Street's Reply: A short enough repost, and soooo many "Anony-
mouses', and a post far enough back, that perhaps a pretext won't be used against it.

As for the post: Ah yes, you ask that people just use the procreative tools that God has provided us with. I think that means "Let the little children come." After all, if you kill them or stop them from coming, then you're not USING the tools God gives, you MISUSE and abort them. Big difference, yes?

As for giving them a chance? Well, if you birth-control them, or abort them, what chance is that? No chance for life at all, wouldn't every half-nitwit have to agree with that? Of course.

Now, as for that disfunctional street fruit: It is quite a skill to survive in such conditions, in fact very funtional. Besides, having fruit on the street for poor wayfaring men of grief to feast upon and enable them to survive is very useful as well, shall we say, very funtional.

4/27/2005 3:21 PM


onthestreet said...
Just My Opinion (See, no repost needed here. It's rescent enough for a direct reply:

Street's Reply: Why would any defamilied man want to get back to the Prophet? What good? It's called belief. The believer shall be saved. It's called order. Only those united with that order have any chance or good left. That's my belief, and the belief of thousands. Thank God for believers. It's called truth. There is no other truth. That's my belief. Thank God for believers.

And so, if there is no other, you eventually find yourself coming home, and finding your ultimate function in life. What normal individual doesn't like coming home. Anyone else is just, well, disfunctional.

4/27/2005 3:30 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
I would have to say she's got a lot of things wrong. How could her testimony ever be considered reliable or admissable?

4/15/2005 11:39 AM

Street's Reply: The world has alot of things wrong, and how in a court of law can any testimony ever be considered reliable or admissible? This is why there is so much perjury in your courts, because there is so much wrong, without a prophet, without a light, just feeling your way in the darkness.

4/26/2005 12:53 PM


Anonymous said... (Ruth Cooke, Opalb, Comute).
Yes , lets count our blessings for a prophet. I would be forever condemned to a mentle hospital, if it were just a matter of the courts, where money is what matters and not truth. OR PUBLIC GOSSIP OPINIONS. How do you like this song,"We thank thee oh, God for a prophet, to guide us in these latter days" I took a test today, with a group of sycoligests, that have been in bussiness for seventy years. I did this with a bogus name. Public gossip, and a general sycoligist had condemned me on a filthy mans word. I had no honest court case. It was done behind my back. My daughters molester, the key witness. I had no chance. This test was very , very intersting. THERE WAS NOT ONE NEGATIVE THING ABOUT IT. NOT ONE. NOT ONE. SO BE CAREFUL HOW YOU JUDGE YOUR NEIGHBORS. Besides, just because gossip had, had the rounds with my court case, and I was the last to hear about it. Shelly Gene Cooke being the key witness, did not make my brain think less. That was a Cooke trait. Wemen are my property. He even tried to tell others I was his posesion. Dick tried this too. I am owned by no- one. How ever, if you people in texas, do honestly want to trade me for Thelma, I would come visit for a week. She could visit my City. It may do us both some good. Thelma may enjoy this also. My mountians are Gorgous. Maybe she could try out the indians healling cerimony. This was a very enjoyable experience to me. Make sure you have on your dancing boots and would like to sing. This is my faviorite thing, and I would not want any negativity involved. maybe we could sing up a storm.

4/26/2005 9:52 PM


This category is titled: The aftermath of the ‘failed’ April 6th doom prophecy.

Street’s Reply:
Ah yes, the aftermath. The world has ended for many. All that's left is the sweeping up.

4/26/2005 1:03 PM


Anonymous said...
Back on topic again;
There are many definitions of
being a "Christian"Evangelicals
have their own.Catholics another,Lds another,Jehovahs Witnesses another.Too the 9-11 Muslim extremists,We are all
Christian.So,as I pointed out in my last post,Eldoradans,Texans,Have
no fear that Warren will try to convert your daughters,Lead them astray.whatever.Warren only has power over his own followers.He doesnt want or accept converts.

4/23/2005 4:42 PM


onthestreet said...
Street's Reply: To be Christian is to be hated: "Those who live in Christ Jesus SHALL suffer persecution."(The Word of the Lord)

To be Christian is to be meek: "The meek shall inherit the earth." I know one man who is so meek, that he says nothing while all the world spews their venum and their vomit on him. Yet, the viper never harms him.

To be Christian is to be pure: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall inherit the earth." Yet, the whole world is gone a whoring, and calls it good, while blaspheming the bearing of children. "Let the little children come." (The Word of the Lord).

To be Christian is to be many things that he is (WSJ), while the world does the opposite and seals their fate.

4/26/2005 1:16 PM


onthestreet said...
Anony mouse Said:
Warrenites dont read wicked Gentile
/Apostate blogs.Muchless participate.Fruity you know you should repent.PREFERABLY from afar.
Keep sweet Edorado,
Son no. 16
Native born Creeker.

4/25/2005 8:29 PM

Street's Reply: You I should (Repent). I have searched my soul, and I feel to repent, which I do (from afar). I suppose this makes me different. Not to repent of the virtue of communicating, be of the grossness that many of you represent and communicate here, which is neither civil or educated, much less dignified or indicative of your ascendency over the FLDS Church.

4/25/2005 10:26 PM


onthestreet said...
Correction: Yes, I should repent. . .

4/26/2005 1:29 PM


onthestreet said...
. . . and I do from afar, so how about you, Atar.

4/26/2005 1:31 PM


MadCanadian said...
It is not a temple. It is a statue of warren laying on his back having a self revelation

4/26/2005 2:53 PM


Anonymous said...
Dear Street Street ,I,["#16th
Son"],Wrote that repenting post.not Atar.It was meant jokingly,But knowing
your identity,I find it hard to
believe you know Warren Jeffs aka"FALSE PROPHET" very well.or,that you are very close to the so-called "Warrenite Group",since you are posting on this blog.site.Warren has strictly and earnestly forbidden blog-posting. You wont be around Warren very long if he finds out about your activity here .I ,alas
and much to my sorrow,know more about of Warren and Warrenism,than I wish too.Certainly,I agree with you on this repenting business.
Everyone must repent,both near and from afar,According to
John Y.Barlow[aka"A REAL PROPHET"!
]the First Principle of the Gospel is repentence.If Warren aka {DEVIL'S Prophet} knew anything about the Gospel of Jesus Christ aka{THE SAVIOR}
,he then he could repent as well.
"By their Works Shall Ye Know Them" "A Tree is Judged by the Fruit it Bears"Doesn't Uncle "W"aka {THE FALSE PROPHET} teach you the Scriptures?I know he knows the Scriptures,He and I,learned Scriture from the same
folks.Uncle Roy aka{GODS PROPHET} once said"Anyone,Including me,who claims the Priesthood,if their words and deeds don't square with this Book"He lifted his Bible"You may Count his words as nothing"I implore you to read,the The Bible,Book of Mormon.D&C,Sermons of Presidents Johnson,Barlow, and Jeffs,and see if
Warrens actions "square up"Not for
my sake,But for YOUR OWN SAKE!!!THINK THESE THINGS OUT FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!
This post is not meant to ridicule
or poke fun at you Street.I know my 4-25:30 post was cyncical
and I do apologise for it,But really You{STREET}need to know what is going on before its too late.Street you have the God-Given Free Agency and intelligence
to understand what I'am trying to tell you.Unlike Poor Ruth who does not.
KEEP SWEET ELDORADO"aka {EL-DOE-RAYDOE} #16thSon of #4Mother.

4/26/2005 11:09 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
Street Fruit,

I do not dictate to God.
I ask that human beings use the tools, that God has provided us with, to control our procreation. Think before you bring a child into the world. Think about what you can offer that child. And give the future a chance for something other than ****ed up, disfunctional street fruit.

GBNF

4/26/2005 10:47 PM

Street's Reply: A short enough repost, and soooo many "Anony-
mouses', and a post far enough back, that perhaps a pretext won't be used against it.

As for the post: Ah yes, you ask that people just use the procreative tools that God has provided us with. I think that means "Let the little children come." After all, if you kill them or stop them from coming, then you're not USING the tools God gives, you MISUSE and abort them. Big difference, yes?

As for giving them a chance? Well, if you birth-control them, or abort them, what chance is that? No chance for life at all, wouldn't every half-nitwit have to agree with that? Of course.

Now, as for that disfunctional street fruit: It is quite a skill to survive in such conditions, in fact very funtional. Besides, having fruit on the street for poor wayfaring men of grief to feast upon and enable them to survive is very useful as well, shall we say, very funtional.

4/27/2005 3:21 PM


onthestreet said...
Just My Opinion (See, no repost needed here. It's rescent enough for a direct reply:

Street's Reply: Why would any defamilied man want to get back to the Prophet? What good? It's called belief. The believer shall be saved. It's called order. Only those united with that order have any chance or good left. That's my belief, and the belief of thousands. Thank God for believers. It's called truth. There is no other truth. That's my belief. Thank God for believers.

And so, if there is no other, you eventually find yourself coming home, and finding your ultimate function in life. What normal individual doesn't like coming home. Anyone else is just, well, disfunctional.

4/27/2005 3:30 PM


Anonymous said...
Street Fruit,

It is so funny, how you can take something and change the meaning to suit your own personal disfunction. I am an advocate for birth control. Abortion is on the head of those that choose it. I would not want to be that person. But as always, you managed to take birth control and turn it into abortion. Bravo! What a genius you are!

No wayfaring man, woman or child would be hungry enough for your rotten, sour flesh.

GBNF

4/27/2005 3:46 PM


Paladin for Truth said...
Ok, let me see if I get this straight. You are stripped of all your family, because supposedly you have done something that you can't repent from and have lost your Priesthood, thus you can't exalt your family at the time of the resurrection. From all the scripture I can find this would be adultery and murder, as they are sins that can never be forgiven and once you commit these sins you lose all Priesthood. I also understand that sinning against the Holy Ghost can't be forgiven, this sin is to see and meet Jesus Christ and feel his hand and then deny him and turn against him. Now many have not done any of these things, but have got the same punishment. They have lost their families for some unknown sin that causes them to lose their Priesthood and thus their families. But, if you are real good you can get back in. You can get rebaptised and get the Priesthood back. It is my understanding that if you commit a crime great enough to lose your Priesthood you can never get it back and are not going to heaven and will be destroyed at the time of the Resurrection, because you hold no Priesthood. Anyway, you get baptised again and get the Priesthood again and then get another wife which you can exalt, because you have repented. If you are now able to exalt this new family, then obviously you did not turn altogether therefrom, your sin was not really that bad and was probably just a weakness that God gave to us all to keep us humble. You could have overcome this weakness over time and exalted your first family too. So King Warren contradicts himself or one of these days everyone is going to find out that they are not getting back in, to prevent this contraction from forming and King Warren having to answer it. King Warren is no friend of the Savior and contradicts almost every form of written teachings of Christ there is in print. This sounds like the job of Lucifer with his minion Warren at his side. So my question is, if you can't exalt your first family at the resurrection, how can you ever exalt any more??

4/27/2005 3:58 PM


onthestreet said...
Paladin for "truth:"

Street's Reply: Okay, let's see if there is any truth left in you:

1. No, you didn't get it straight; crooked as a dog's hind leg in the mobs of Milan.

2. Stripped of all my family, and thus living adultery and murder? Sorry Pud (that is, Palad): Never had a family of my own. Rather, waiting on the Lord as he waits on me. So much false presumption on your part.

3. Can't repent? Yes, the Lord helped me to repent, and thus here am I Lord, at your service.

4. Adultery? You can never commit adultery if you don't look upon a woman to lust after her, and are never with another man's wife. Agreed? This is where I'm at, and praises not to me, but the Lord. He did it.

5. Murder? You can never commit murder if you don't rob another of the life of body or spirit. Agreed? This is where I'm at, and praises not to me, but the Lord. He does quite the opposite in me, to the point of encouraging you to be pure and meek, obedient and prayerful to the Lord and to his servant upon the earth. If you are so fortunate as to find that man, and by this process obtain life and that eternal, quite the opposite of murder. Agreed?

6. Yes, "those evicted have lost their families for some unknown sin that causes them to lose their Priesthood and thus their families,
but if you are real good you can get back in," as you just now said.
See, there is indeed hope and mercy and life, if YOU choose life. So if there is adultery and murder, you commit it yourself, you see?

7. Furthermore, it is for "some unknown sin," again as you just now said. See, it was left unknown, between you and God to work out. So let's hop to. Let's work it out. Smile at yourself, and smile at the Lord. You now see that he loves you. Don't be among the wimps that druel and weep and wail in sin, being without hope, and depressed. The Lord lifts you up, IF you will be lifted up. He just won't force you into heaven. So there are many now who are FREE (not forced), to repent from afar, and then to return to your natural roots.

8. As for you understanding that losing your Priesthood is being damned to eternal hell, your understanding is false (again). Hosts have lost their priesthood, even prophets have lost it, and all humanity, all the prophets, except for Christ, who was the only perfect man. All others have sinned, and therefore their priesthood left them during that period. BUT, BUT! When they repented, they were administered to again and became prophets and saints and angels. This puts you in a GREAT class of beings, if you will accept it (like they did).

9. As for losing one family, and then because of that, "how can you gain and exalt another, if you can't the first? Well, ummm, Job did it. He lost his first, and gained far more. In fact, ALL the prophets have lost much, but what is lost is not lost to the Lord. He notices even a sparrow when it falls, and not one hair of your head is lost unnoticed.

Quit dribbling and cheer up. Do well, and it will be well with you. Then you are Paladin for Truth.

4/27/2005 4:43 PM


onthestreet said...
To Anonymous:

Yes, birth control is akin to abortion. If you prevent the little ones from "coming unto me," then you have taken their life, akin to killing them.

No, robbery isn't burglary, but they sure are akin, are they not? The first robs the opportunity that someone had, and the other attacks what they have. Akin.

4/27/2005 4:48 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
11:15,

Site the scripture where God told Abraham to take multiple wives......take your time - you'll need it.

4/10/2005 11:28 AM

Street's Reply:
First: It is always left obscure because the world is obscure, in darkness, and not worthy to obtain it, nor to even see it or believe it.

Second: The fact that many prophets having many wives is even in God's word at all (the Bible) makes it God's word (for the elect, not the world, to take many wives),

Third: "Now the angel of the Lord found (Hagar) by the spring of water in the wilderness. . . and said to her: "I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude." (Gen.16: 7, 10). You see, the marriage of a plural wife is not only acknowledged by the Lord, but then 'blessed exceedingly'.

Fourth: The Lord told Adam:
"Multiply and replenish the earth, and subdue it". How does anyone replenish an entire planet with one woman? So when your very Redeemer was caught with a multitude of women fondling him so domestically, it was as he said: "I came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it."

There you have it, the scripture (a small portion of it), where God directed the plurality of wives.

4/27/2005 5:09 PM


onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
Dear Street Street ,I,["#16th
Son"],Wrote that repenting post.not Atar.It was meant jokingly,But knowing
your identity,I find it hard to
believe you know Warren Jeffs. . .

Street's Reply: Right! It just sounds right, right? To say, "Repent from afar, what do you say Atar," sounds about right, right? Right. BELIEVE!

4/27/2005 5:23 PM


ATAR said...
On the dusty road to he....excuse me, Street.

Oh hey, I'm not catholic so I think I'll have to decline your offer of confession/repentance. But gosh - it sure was kind of you to be so thoughtful.

Us protestants tend to talk to Jesus ourselves - we like to call it Prayer.

But go ahead, since it's your tradition, I'll listen very nicely to any repentence you need to make.

4/27/2005 5:32 PM
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onthestreet said...
Anonymous said...
MIB-- Do you put your puzzels together with a rubber hammer? If the piece looks like it might almost fit somewhere... just hammer it into place. Close enough!

Street's Reply: I Have to admit, I rolled on that one. I know how aggrivating it was as a child to get those almost-close-fitting-slightly-off-but-close-a-little-cockeyed-corny-little-pieces-of-reality to fit. But I had a mother of a pro in working out the puzzles of life.

Can you imagine a kid standing over a tiny innocent little piece of pictorial card-board. . . with a sledge-hammer! Funny stuff.

4/27/2005 8:08 PM


onthestreet said...
To Anonymous (4/27/2005 7:25 PM):

Street's Reply: That's right, as you said, all of Texas and ex-FLDS "just disagree, rake your brains, in eternal aruing, wasting our time," as you put it. Well put, putt putt.

"And they shall cry, "Peace, Peace," and there shall be no peach.

4/27/2005 8:19 PM


onthestreet said...
To Anonymous:

Yes, birth control is akin to abortion. If you prevent the little ones from "coming unto me," then you have taken their life, akin to killing them.

No, robbery isn't burglary, but they sure are akin, are they not? The first robs the opportunity that someone had, and the other attacks what they have. Akin.

4/27/2005 4:48 PM


Anonymous said...
Street-

Assuming you are right, and I'm definitely not saying you are, and the world would flock to Warren if they knew him, then why does he hide his light under a bushel?
If he could bring about world peace and bring love and harmony to the masses, isn't his hiding from even his own faithful followers harsh cruelty, plain and simple?

I do commend you on the clean up of your language, and not being quite so abusive in your reply posts.
Since you are so intelligent, it wouldn't be too hard for you to understand a need to get along with those people you are stuck with. Since Warren has cast you out and you are not yet able to get back in, if ever, you should take a bit of time to study pschycology and human relations. That may help you to get "good" attention instead of "bad" attention. Like little kindergarten students where polite and kind behavior earns praise, and unruly behavior earns reprimands.
Give it a thought Street, it seems like you are stuck out here in the big bad world, you may as well prosper as much as you can, and who knows, when you can show Warren how successful you are he may (ha ha) invite you back. Sorry to break the serious advice, it was just such an impossible quest.

Motherly Advice

4/27/2005 5:02 PM


Paladin for Truth said...
Street, you bring out a good point, Lucifer came to God and asked permission to strip Job of all he had, God did not tell him to do it, Lucifer demanded that he should get to. God had no interest in having Job's marriage broke apart, still Lucifer demanded. God told Lucifer he could strip Job of all he had, but could not kill him. So you are comparing the current strippings to Job, I do too. Lucifer stripped Job in his day and Lucifer is stripping people in our day as well. I believe that if these men that have been stripped by Lucifer at the hand of his minion Warren will repent and believe in the true teachings of Christ and start studying the Gospel of Jesus Christ again, they will learn that they can go find someone who can truly offer repentance in the name of Christ and be forgiven and start over like Job did. Rest assured though, they will never get all that Job got back through any avenue that the minion Warren has to offer, as you have noticed, Warren is doing to those around him what Lucifer did to Job. Yikes, why can't more people see what King Warren the evil minion of Satan is doing.

4/27/2005 5:19 PM


Anonymous said...
Street seems to have lost it. D&C 84:40 clearly reads: Therefore, all those who receive the priesthood, receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved.

But whoso breaketh this covenant after he hath received it, and altogether turneth therefrom, shall not have forgiveness of sins in this world nor in the world to come.


Hmmmmmm, I don't think that this means that this priesthood falls on and off like a coat, every time you tune up Van Halen. It also looks like if you lose the priesthood you are done. Hmmmmmm, I think maybe the Paladin is more correct than street thinks.

4/27/2005 6:06 PM


just my opinion said...
Street:

Ever heard the phrase, "by thier fruits you shall know them"???

I don't consider myself disfunctional, but I understand enough to know you won't be saved to much without your family...

4/27/2005 6:35 PM


onthestreet said...
Paladin: You mean Lucifer can demand of God, and knock him around? God did it: "God told Lucifer. . .? Who's in charge, Lucifer, or God? So, if the people today are stripped, you can't blame a Prophet for your own crimes. God does it. "All things under the sun, God doeth" (Ecclesiastics). If you sin, or simply must be tried as Job, then Lucifer is ALLOWED to do his work, not by Warren, but by God. You really put that Prophet Warren Jeffs on a pedistal (where he belongs), to say that he rules Satan, for so he does. "The faithful shall have power even over the evil one."

You say that the Prophet is a minion, and God says "I am that still small voice (minion)." So again, you praise that man supremely. "And even your enemies shall praise you. . ."

You say: "So you are comparing the current strippings to Job. I DO TOO." Okay, you do too. Then do as Job: "Though he slay me, yet will I serve him." If Warren has been an instrument in the hands of God, though he slay you, serve him. "The greatest of all shall be the servant of all."

So you come up with some good points.

4/27/2005 8:54 PM

Anonymous said...
Street is wasted trying to get back in with Warren, he should be a lawyer. Pritty good at turning a fellow's words against him.

4/27/2005 10:00 PM
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Anonymous said...
Street seems to have lost it. D&C 84:40 clearly reads: Therefore, all those who receive the priesthood, receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved.

Street's Reply: If you break your covenants by turning on your wife, much less the prophet, then you have broken the seal and promise of God to you, in that covenant. In any contract, when one party breaks it, it is broken. Then there are consequences.

However, for the faithful: "He cannot break it, neither can it be removed." (D&C 84:40).

Do you think you can run roughshod over your family, over God's church, or over God himself, and expect anyone to say: "Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Enter thou into my Kingdom." No, it will be: "Get ye hense. I never knew you," in spite of the former blessings and promises, because you broke them and desecrated them.

If you are in the process of overcoming that, then: "Well done" indeed.

4/27/2005 10:48 PM
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Anonymous Said:
Hmmmmmm, I don't think that this means that this priesthood falls on and off like a coat, every time you tune up Van Halen. It also looks like if you lose the priesthood you are done. Hmmmmmm, I think maybe the Paladin is more correct than street thinks.

4/27/2005 6:06 PM


Street's Reply: The power of the Priesthood is the spirit, and when you're not in the spirit, you lose the power thereof. But you're right, God is not to be mocked. If you think you can keep offending, then "The spirit is grieved, and amen to the Priesthood of that man." Also, "The Spirit of God will not always strive with man."
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Just my opinion Said: Street:

Ever heard the phrase, "by thier fruits you shall know them"???
I don't consider myself disfunctional, but I understand enough to know you won't be saved to much without your family...

4/27/2005 6:35 PM

onthestreet said...
Just my opinion Said:

Street:
Ever heard the phrase, "by thier fruits you shall know them"???
I don't consider myself disfunctional, but I understand enough to know you won't be saved to much without your family...

4/27/2005 6:35 PM

Street's Reply: The Lord told the Jews: "I am able to raise up seed from these stones," when the chosen people rejected the prophets and even their Redeemer.
The Jews had family and fruits too, but what did they do, and what did they get?

4/27/2005 11:01 PM
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Native Texan said...
Onthestreet,

I have one question for you. If God needed help populating His chosen nation, then how did He populate the entire earth starting with a monogamous couple - Adam and Eve?

Your ideology contains a humanistic slant.

You see what you want to see in scripture instead of what is actually there.

4/27/2005 6:33 PM


Native Texan said...
PS: In my view you fall short of proving through scripture that God "directed" polygamy.

Do you think God allowed Paul to go to Heaven? He was single by choice. What about Job? Adam? Isaac? They were all monogamous. I could list others, but you get my point.

4/27/2005 6:49 PM
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Men In Black said...
Street

Enough of the pieces must of fit, if we have to believe Parker speaking on behalf of Warren Jeffs. According to Parker, Warren Jeffs moved to Texas to escape, what was it prosecution or persecution? I don't think the residents of El Dorado Texas have seen the humor in the fact that Warren thought Texas would go easier on him or his dictatorial leadership.

Maybe you need to ask the Texas locals how funny his relocation is? What is sad is the distruction that he has left in his wake. He's gutted the economy of Colorado City and has done more human damage than anything Flora or I could of done.

Defending what amounts to "organized crime" as traditional family values, where wives and children are reassigned is not likely to gain to much sympathy.

A curiousity, after Dan's wives were reassigned and he was told to repent, had he of been forgiven, would he ever of had his wives and children returned? Maybe he would of been offered the wives and children of another, the next man found out of favor. You can joke about those who are more interested in the victims, but as a victim its sad when one victim degrades another.

Have patience and we will see whom the jury believes! But having a sense of humor is good, it may be the only thing you will ever own. Take good care of it.

MIB

4/27/2005 9:22 PM


Anonymous said...
Maybe puzzles aren't your calling after all MIB. Maybe you should be writing novels, where you can research all these factoids out and weave them carefully into an intriguing story.

That way it doesn't really matter if your conclusions are irrelevant. You can be the Big Hero... All the bad guys get what they deserve and you can and have Flora in the end.

Seriously though, nobody is defending any of this injustice that is obviously happening. What we object to is the damage done by all the lies and conjecture. That will only create more innocent victims.

4/27/2005 10:09 PM


MIB Said: Have patience and we will see whom the jury believes! But having a sense of humor is good, it may be the only thing you will ever own. Take good care of it.

MIB

4/27/2005 9:22 PM

Street's Reply. Righto, Buddo. We were just laughing as the idea of pieces of a pictorial puzzle not fitting, and how children fumble and cry over it, and hammer some of the pieces pretty hard, not at the fate of men's souls. You certainly show how a child can throw a tantrum over something totally unrelated.

Poor child. Your sin must have been pretty horrendous to reap what you have reaped, or maybe the Lord is just trying you a Job. I think you're Beswick, so it must be what happened to you outside of the FLDS, and your relations with some of the malcontents. What, are you a man in black? Truly? That's that name you have given yourself.

From some of the things you said on the Aimoo Board, Jay, I was impressed, so I like you. Don't be too hard on yourself.

4/27/2005 10:17 PM


Men In Black said...
Well as Winston said; "always be honest". I suppose that depends on the information you have at the time. MIB means Men In Black, its something for those that believe everything is a conspiracy, you know that little known agency with black vans and helicopters, ha..ha..

Then of course if you follow the profile name fincenMIB the prior letters stand for; Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) which is a real government agency, that is under the umbrella of the Dept. of The Treasury. They are at; www.fincen.gov/

We all came from somewhere first, I use to work for the Los Angeles street gang program and was a member of CGIA in California, as I was a member of UGIA when I lived in Utah. Yearly we had training seminars hosted by LACSD and BATF, F.I.N.C.E.N. use to send employees to the training. While living in Utah half the state loved that conspiracy stuff, so fincenMIB seemed perfect. The agency has 200-300 employees, no helicopters, alot of computer firewalls and the ability to follow the money, on and off shore. They hire computer geeks, with coke bottle thick eye glasses.

Don't worry I don't lose to much sleep, but I do find it sad that so many have been hurt, but in truth, much of the problems I have seen documents on had little to do with either Jeffs and more to do with the greed of individuals.

I am of course who you say, I realize we have crossed paths before.

MIB

4/27/2005 10:43 PM
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Anonymous said...
to texas cow girl

sorry to pry but I did read that letter to Warren's wives. One small fact to point out, Warren had strictly tought that the women do not let their hair down. It is to be worn up.
4/21/2005 2:48 AM


Anonymous said...
So, What is weird with wearing your hair up? You cut yours up. Now, that to me is weird!
4/25/2005 4:09 PM


onthestreet said...
Street's Reply (about hair,etc):

Yup, you're right. Let em spew. You ladies who wear your hair high for all to see are pretty pretty, that is double pretty, even gorgeous. You who wear it low in the mud, or not at all, are. . . well, creatures of God for sure, but under the influence.

On the other hand, you ladies who wear your dresses low, all the way to good ole mother earth, are mothers of the earth and all the more gorgeous. You who wear them high, all the way up the ole yin-yang, are. . . well, sensual. The Lord calls it "sensual and devilish." So you are his, no doubt.

Yes, let em spew. Let em get it out of them. "Come out of them, Satan." I'm sure there's some value in all of you expressing yourselves, even if it does put down what is gorgeous and lovely and of good report. Nothing is more gorgeous than children, and the more the merrier, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven. If you critics of the FLDS hate that, hate away, until the Lord says: "It is enough," and takes you home.

4/28/2005 2:34 PM

SONG PARADIES (continued):
Anonymous said...
The Prophet of the lord of flies Warren Jeffs has the most horrible voice, if ever you heard him sing. May I be one who shares in his song, "Yearning For Those Texas Prison Blues."

ROFLMAO in Texas

4/28/2005 2:15 PM


onthestreet said...
Street's Reply: Yes, you may well share in those Texas prison blues, and especially since now you have prayed for it. But it won't stop there. It'll follow you into the next world, my dear.

Do you want to change that prayer any, honey?

4/28/2005 2:41 PM


onthestreet said...
Native said: I have one question for you. If God needed help populating His chosen nation, then

Street's Reply: Yes, we help him populate, all of us do. He give man that power, the power of creation, albeit after this probation life it will be over for most ("Few there be that find eternal life."). An elect people will go on to a continuation of the seed, an eternal increase.

More specific to you question: No, not starting with Adam and Eve, but EVES. There was Lilleth and Anna and Sarah and many others that ancient Jewish records have documented from the Garden of Eden. See the posts to follow about Adam a monogamist, which follows up your second post here.

You also said: "You see what you want to see in scripture instead of what is actually there."
Yes, I want to see, and so God open mine eyes, and I see. Then, lo and behold, it is actually there. So there.

4/28/2005 2:56 PM

onthestreet said...
Native said: I have one question for you. If God needed help populating His chosen nation, then

Street's Reply: Yes, we help him populate, all of us do. He give man that power, the power of creation, albeit after this probation life it will be over for most ("Few there be that find eternal life."). An elect people will go on to a continuation of the seed, an eternal increase.

More specific to you question: No, not starting with Adam and Eve, but EVES. There was Lilleth and Anna and Sarah and many others that ancient Jewish records have documented from the Garden of Eden. See the posts to follow about Adam a monogamist, which follows up your second post here.

You also said: "You see what you want to see in scripture instead of what is actually there."

Yes, I want to see, and so God open mine eyes, and I see. Then, lo and behold, it is actually there. So there.

4/28/2005 2:56 PM


onthestreet said...
Now, for your second post (toasties): Ah, "In my view" you say. Yes, "you see through a glass darkly" as foretold, and I will prove it through scripture:

You ask: "Do you think Paul will go to heaven? He was single by choice." Ah, in your view.

Here is what Paul actually said (see, proving it through scripture): "Do we have no right to take along a believing WIFE, as do also the other apostles. . . (I Corinthians 9:5). That is Paul's letter to the Corinthians. So that little rascal, he was married, and faithful to the command of God to man, to "multiply and replenish the earth, AND subdue it," your own portion of the earth, your passions). So yes, he went to heaven, because he too (like Christ) fulfilled that first law. "I came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it." Paul said other things that sounded like he might be single, much like Christ did also, because he was speaking to unbelievers. Therefore, that is what he counselled them and put back upon them.

Single by choice? Think again, Native. Then you will be a true native.

4/28/2005 3:08 PM


onthestreet said...
What! Job a monogamist? Think again

"Then the Lord said to (Job's enemies), take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job and offer up an offering. . .(Job 42:8)(for wives):
-see below for the Hebrew meanings for "Bullock" and "Ram".

Then, all his (kin), each one gave him. . . a ring of gold (wives)(Job 42:11). King James says "earrings" vs rings: "And Abram's servant (in selecting a wife for Isaac), put the EARRING upon her face." (Gen. 24:47)

BULLOCK: Para(Hebrew): To bear fruit. Shuwr: Cow. Sowrah (Sarah): A ring. Baqar: Herd, kine (or kin), GREAT cattle, to inspect and admire, spread out, populate, a fruitful vine. These are the Hebrew meanings of "Bullock". OMG, Job was married, even seven time and seven again (seven bullocks and seven rams). We will examine "Ram" perhaps in another post.

BULLOCK: Bul or bowl (womb), locked or reserved = Bul-lock.
Towr (Hebrew): ring-dove, endearment, order.

Yes, proven by the scriptures, just not "your view" of the scriptures, for you see through a glass darkly and see nothing. The scripture or word of God is in code and parable for a reason, for the benefit of non-believers, lest the light burn them up.

4/28/2005 3:24 PM



onthestreet said...
RAM: "Israel went up against Judah, and built Ram-ah (I Kings 15:17. . . and they took away the stones of Ramah (v.22). "I can raise up seed from these stones." (IE: Gems or Fems). That is, Israel being against Judah, the Jews were rejected, and harder flint selected to chisle and with which to chisle, as the Master Potter or stone mason moulds the characters for his palace harem. Harem is the name of certain Israelite Priest. It's in the Word of God, if you want to see it.

Anyway, to continue: "And Jacob said to his brethren: Gather
'stones', and Jacob called it GAL-eed (Gen 31:47), meaning
"obstinate, a heap of testimony".
That's what women are, by nature.

RAM: Ayil(Hebrew): Strong support.
Ayilah: Female deer, hind.

Thus the seven bullocks and seven rams that God COMMANDED for Job were nothing more nor less than WIVES.

4/28/2005 3:55 PM
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onthestreet said...
WHAT! Adam monogamist? Think Again:

"And the Lord said: It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him a helpmeet for him. And out of the "ground" the Lord God formed every "beast" and "fowl". . . (Gen 2:19).

See there! A multitude of helpmeets or wives, at the moment that God said "I will make him a helpmeet. . . and he formed every beast and fowl," different types of women or personalities. And you will even see in the Book of Revelation God relating angels and men as 'beasts'. It's the language of heaven.

First God creates actual animals in the sixth day or thousand-year period (Gen.1:25). Then, in another chapter, and a thousand years later, during his "rest", he creates man and many women, to give him rest(Gen.2:19), his crowning creation for the crowning day of creation. But then what happens? He then creates the elect lady of the Garden or planet, the queen-bee, what he actually calls 'woman', vs beast, for so she was of that higher consciousness of human nature (vs animal nature), and all being preparatory for diving nature. And get this: All this created in practically the same breath (Gen.2: 19-21). He had already created the animals way back in chapter one, or a thousand years earlier (Gen. 1:25). So, in chapter two of creation you have Adam and his WIVES, "for Adam was yet alone," and it was "not good (or God), for man to be alone.

ADAM: Ababuah (Hebrew): To belch forth, an inflammatory eruption." That's a harem, which is decreed by God for elect priests. Harim is the name for certain priests:
(I Chronicles 24:8, Ezra 2:39, 10:21, Nehemiah 3:11, 7:42, 10:5, 10:27, 12:15).
4/28/2005 4:16 PM

onthestreet said...
WHAT! Isaac a monogamist?
Think Again:

The very name (given by Adam for all things in the Garden) means "many" or Is-sack, his "sack" being full of wives and children. The seed of Abraham is all about 'multitude': "I will multiply you like the sands of the sea-shore and like the stars of the heavens." Will the jealous and insignificant and puny monogamist put up a wall and against God, and dictate to God who he can allow to pro-create with Him? His fires are pretty hot!

ISAAC: Yitschaq (Hebrew): Laughter (as Sarah laughed for seed), mockery (as God mocks the mocker who will dictate who can bear children). "To shine forth (there's the MANY, 'as the stars of heaven'), to spread forth, extend." These meanings are pulled directly from the Hebrew and Greek languages.

Meta-baino (Greek): To move, associate, accompanyment (wives).

Morphosis (as in 'meta-morphosis):
To transform from one to many, or into other forms or beings (WIVES).

Caphas (Hebrew): "To seek, make diligent search." What do men search for? Ummm, WOMEN. Although few there be who are worthy of even one. "To some a hundred, to some sixty, to some thirty, and from him who hath but one (monogamist) shall be taken even what he hath." (Mt. 25:25)
(The Word of the Lord).

"Is-aak Continued:
Katapauo (Greek): To colonize, etc.
Colonizing is done with many families, when it is done right, and God does right. So Is-aac has many WIVES.

All these are literal meanings of the name Isaac, one of the names that Adam gave to all things, for men of plurality shall be heirs of all things. Will Satan rage. No doubt you will.

Paul, Job, Adam, Isaac, single??? You lie, albeit perhaps not maliciously, being ignorant and without knowledge.

And God rebuked Job's enemies, saying: "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge"?(Job 38:2).

I encourage you to keep searching. Perhaps this helps you some, to search deeper, to no more mock God and what you know not of. I pray you can do this, my friend.

4/28/2005 4:41 PM

onthestreet said...

Sharethelight.ca Blog (April 2005)


onthestreet
In reference to 'sharethelight', it was certainly prophecied that darkness would be called light and light darkness. As you have invited "comments on articles from the paper," I will respond in kind:

SUZIE MY LOVE: With all the mushiness spewed upon a woman who doesn't want you (to wit: My darling, our lives, warmest and happy thoughts, and prayer for your safety), it only seems that stalking is a crime, and such flatteries that of a demon. However, you were right in saying that what she is doing is "none of your business." In your closing to Suzie, you ask for one more honor: Call home, be yourself, love me, like Satan shrieking out: Do me one more honor. I am God, worship me. However, this is great oratory, Winston. Satan is a great orator.
17.04.05 @ 18:05:33

onthestreet
SCRIPTURAL QUOTES: left column D&C 10:66 (parentheses mine): "Yea, if they will come" (unto the Prophet who is come down by regular succession, not by flattery and presumption and demonic light). "Behold, this is my doctrine-whosoever repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church." Since you don't come to the prophet (to the one who was designated by the one whom the Lord said shall have power to designate, even if he falls away and does nothing else, as the Lord spelled out in his revelations to Joseph), then you are not his church. Pretty basic, so simple that a child can understand it.

"Whosoever declareth more or less than this, the same is not of me, but is against me; therefore he is not of my church." You see Winston, quoting scripture won't save you, nor exalt to any higher than a molten rock, if you reject it.
17.04.05 @ 18:19:10

onthestreet
LEFT MARGIN QUOTES:
"It is one of the blessings of friends that you can afford to be STUPID." A genuine confession indeed, or at least truthful, even if it's not confessed from your heart.

"The order of the House of God is the same. . . " (Yet, without vision or current revelation and continued development, through the prophet, the people perish, your people).

"Warren went through the church like a plague." Yes, Moses was used by the Lord to send plague). "All of those affected by him were united by jealousy, criticism, and looking for iniquity in their friends." You keep telling us in this paper to not complain. This is complain-ing, my boy. Yet, God is very jealous for his elect, so this is correct policy. Criticism? It is the shepherd's place to critique conditions, and to chastize, and to sift the chaff from the wheat, so this is correct policy. Looking for iniquity? I cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance. So this also is correct policy. Fear imprisons, paralyz-
es, disheartens, and sickens? All over the scripture, the Lord says: "Fear God." So, you are teaching the people that the Lord imprisions, paralyzes, disheartens, and sickens. So they Lord can say nothing more that: "Get ye hense, I never knew you."
17.04.05 @ 18:43:27

onthestreet
SACRED LONELINESS: It is when thieves (well, actually OWNERS), break into "your" home. . . The Lord says: Sacrifice all earthly things, for all things are mine, and the law of consecration means just that: You consecrate it all to the Lord's Church. So, if you are deceiving the people into believing that to be "thievery", then what you actually steal is peoples' souls. You are robbing them of their salvation. "For good measure, they turn on those endless meeting tapes." The Lord says, 'My work is one eternal round," and you're right, it is GOOD measure, very good indeed. But in the spirit of your mockery, you mock that which is endless.

POWER STRUGGLE:
"The media asks me about a power stuggle. . . Now I don't know what that is. . ." No, you sure don't. Faith is power, and power is priesthood, and priesthood is God. "I struggled when I saw people discarded because their wife told a series of tales." Who better to know what went on behind closed doors. How about a series of truths? "But they shall call truth a lie, and lies truth. . ."
"I struggled when I saw men. . . restored by Uncle Roy and Uncle Rulon, have their families swept away. . . and given to another." Ah, it is just as the Lord said it would be, "they will be given to another". All of the prophets have had to sweep away sin. Uncle Roy did it, Uncle Rulon did it, and faithfully Uncle Warren does it.
"I struggled when I saw men's wages given to the church, and then their boss go and buy a new lexus." So did Judas struggle about "such waste". The Lord directs the faithful to "sacrifice all earthly things," and even a private 747 jet air-liner would be far insufficient to hold and transport such a man and his enterage. "No trial, no defense. . . and all while Uncle Rulon was in bed and asleep." Yes, at peace and relieved from such crimes of those so tried, and the Lord says it best: They shall have no defense for sins against God and against his elect. The Lord says it best: "No allowance, not the least degree of allowance," says the Lord. So why do you fight against God, and where indeed will that put you. "I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't struggle to believe. . ." No, of course not. Unbelievers shall perish. ? Brigham Young: "All the 'trials' were not a single struggle in my life, but a joy, even to the spoiling of my goods. . ." And Job: Though he slay me, yet will I serve him." All your oratory is just the flattery of a demon, poor boy.
17.04.05 @ 19:12:07

Stinger - email
Tell me, you good faithful warrenite, WHERE THE HELL DOES ANY SCRIPTURE COMMAND A PERSON TO GIVE UP ON EVER BEING FORGIVEN? Tell me, did Joseph Smith ever say he was a God unto the people? Tell me how a man commit adultery with his own wife. Answer me this one, Why would a man forbid the people to watch TV yet openly admit to watching it, himself? Here is another thing to think about. Isn't praying for someones destruction pretty much the same as trying to hire a hitman? One last thing. Why are you warrenites so stupid?
17.04.05 @ 21:49:04

Stinger - email
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
17.04.05 @ 21:51:59

name
" On the street", shield your eyes and look past the headlights that seem to be so blinding. Also be careful who you judge/condemn, whilst you carefully pick, choose and "fix" the teachings you "quote".
17.04.05 @ 23:57:21

annonomyous
Wow onthestreet! Is that because you got kicked out on the street or are you really a prostitute?
18.04.05 @ 02:02:07

annonomyous
Go easy on onthestreet. My guess is that old onthestreet is one of the boys who lost their families, still praying to Warren their God, dreaming about their neighbors wives(their used to be wives are now sleeping with their neighbor) they are as adulterous as they can be and consumed by jealousy. Does anyone else want to do a profile on poor old onthestreet?
18.04.05 @ 02:27:01

anonymous
onthestreet must have forgotten the part where he said "thou shalt have no Gods before me" and "thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not commit adultery and all the rest? to say that a man and wife married by Uncle Roy who had a problem before- wasn't forgiven we would have to say Uncle Roy was not a Prophet because he surely would have known; and also say that God is a liar because in that Holy covenant it is said "for time and all of eternity "does it not? now why would he say such a thing if it were not possible?
18.04.05 @ 03:59:03

annonomyous
Winston did not put you on the street. He did not tell your family to leave you. When asked pulicly about his daughter Susie he told the media that he wanted her to stay with her husband and raise their children. Now you told your family to leave you. You taught them to not have anything to do with you. You laughed when the people in Centennial were sluffed off like they had never done one good thing, and mocked at those dear ladies who held onto their families. Calamity will cover the mocker and no one knows that better than you do onethestreet. Since you are houseless, familyless, broke and unemployed, why don't you try reaching out somewhere for friendship. There are hundreds of people who would be your friends. Winston would be the first one, or is the jealousy that you have been nursing these many years far too treasured?
18.04.05 @ 10:35:18

Stinger - email
onthestreet, I want to say I am sorry for what I wrote in my earlier post. I had only read the bottom half of what you wrote, so I feel my comments weren't quite what they should have been. Let me just say, having now looked at all the skrag you wrote, YOU ARE ONE MESSED UP S.O.B. I am very sorry that I can't use all the words you so rightly deserve to be called, but this is a public blog. You are obviously behind on things or you would realize that Suzie is Winston's daughter. Does not every man have the God Given Right to see their own children? At least to say they love their children? What the hell is wrong with you? Crawl back into your dark hole and pray for warren to consume you with his holy fire.
18.04.05 @ 14:48:20

Stinger - email
One more thing. Winston isn't like warren. He wouldn't be stalking his own daughter. Or in warren's case, mothers.
18.04.05 @ 15:00:14

Anonymous
To onthestreet:

I appreciate your comments on this blog. As one who was never a member of the recently incorporated FLDS Church, I've had no direct doctrinal reference to measure an FLDS member by--I've had only your act's and outward performances to determine your brand of christianity (?).

Now that I've heard directly from an FLDS apoligist (onthestreet), I can make a more accurate assessment of FLDS doctrine and dogma.

First let me say that the one-man-god idol worship of your "prophet" definitely does not square up with the teachings of Jesus. I refer you to Luke Ch. 18. v. 18-19, "And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God."

If none is good but God, then we are all in the same boat so-to-speak, and are brothers and sisters of equal status (prophet and lay members alike) before God--And no mortal (not even Jesus) is in the position of God the Father, to us. Jesus repeatedly taught that no one is God but the Father, else why did he pray to the Father and not to himself.

Brother Johnson said in one of his sermons that we should honor the Priesthood Council, not worship them. The same should go for your "prophet" onthestreet, if he has any quality's worth honoring. By the way onthestreet, when it comes your time to be eliminated, your prayers to "Uncle Rulon," or "Uncle Roy," won't deliver you from "Uncle Warren." But you might try praying to "God the Eternal Father," through his son Jesus Christ, for deliverance.

My dillemma onthestreet, is trying to find christian evidences in FLDS membership based on FLDS behavior. I must admit, the epidemic destruction of family's put together by Brother Johnson is not christian behavior. Taking away men's homes is not christian behavior and eliminating the administration of the gospel by apostles, after the pattern Jesus gave, and replacing it by a "one-man-god-prophet, is not christian behavior.

Onthestreet, Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." Whatever your doctrine may be, I see no evidence of christianity in your FLDS Church. What I do see most clearly is repeated unfulfilled prophecy's and un-christian acts of meanspiritedness by your so-called prophet to his fellow brethern--many who have sacrificed their all to his support.

Yes, it is so true, by their fruits ye shall know them . . .
18.04.05 @ 16:09:11

onthestreet
anonymous said:
onthestreet must have forgotten the part where he said "thou shalt have no Gods before me" and "thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not commit adultery and all the rest? to say that a man and wife married by Uncle Roy who had a problem before- wasn't forgiven we would have to say Uncle Roy was not a Prophet because he surely would have known; and also say that God is a liar because in that Holy covenant it is said "for time and all of eternity "does it not? now why would he say such a thing if it were not possible?
18.04.05 @ 03:59:03

Street's reply: Yes, Michael is our God, and the God with whom we have to do. You see, your good friend Warren has not been crowned yet. Like ole Clarence in "It's A Wonderful Life," the angel ain't earned his wings yet. So be patient with the good man. He's outrageous and peculiar enough to eventually fit into that holy and peculiar class, for the God and his angels do battle in families, in nations, and worlds without end. Yes, even heaven and earth shall pass away. Oh my, what a blood bath!

Now, as for stealing and adultery: The houses and the wives all belong to Priesthood, and priesthood is God. Oh my, that pretty well covers it. The violent who abuse their wives and children, and try try claim the earth as their own, or any part of it, will fall, indeed have fallen already. As for Uncle Roy (or Warren) marrying men, and should have known: Oh he knew, and God knows. He gives the blessing, but if you all foul up the blessing then you cannot blame Warren or God, now can you. Yes, the marriage ceremony says: :For time and all eternity," and so it is IF you don't foul it up. God himself will destroy that house that becomes unfit for his dwelling. Does that make God unchristian? Do you call God a criminal, or the prophet who does as he sees the Father do? If you, then you certainly have alot to answer for, and it won't be later either. You will answer for it today, and tomorrow, and continually, until the end comes.
18.04.05 @ 16:48:33

onthestreet
Stinger said:
Tell me, you good faithful warrenite, WHERE THE HELL DOES ANY SCRIPTURE COMMAND A PERSON TO GIVE UP ON EVER BEING FORGIVEN? Tell me, did Joseph Smith ever say he was a God unto the people? Tell me how a man commit adultery with his own wife. Answer me this one, Why would a man forbid the people to watch TV yet openly admit to watching it, himself? Here is another thing to think about. Isn't praying for someones destruction pretty much the same as trying to hire a hitman? One last thing. Why are you warrenites so stupid?
17.04.05 @ 21:49:04

Street's Reply: Why thank you for noting my faith, and my faithfulness. Right Christian of you, but very unchristain if you can't repent. So then, under that condition, you must only give up on ever being forgiven. Pretty simple, yes? As for a prophet being a God to the people, yes indeed. Joseph said many things about his calling and position, and you will find it in the TPJS. But then, many others also proclaimed his greatness, and rightfully so. He is the third member of the Godhead, you know. Oh, you didn't know? What planet have you been living on. Your residency in outer darkness is a little premature, don't you think. Okay, maybe you know after all, that the prophet is a god to his people, that the father is a god to his family, else why would the very doctrine of Mormonism proclaim the faithful a "Gods in embryo," even as they serve as gods in actuality over their present jurisdiction. What is a god? In Hebrew, it is El, and by extension Elf. Ohhhh my!. A true god is a servant, a helper, to those over him, and the servant of all in helping those under him. So why all the venum and nashing of teeth over a man being a god? You do cut yourselves off.

Now, you ask: "How does a man committ adulter with his own wife." Your Lord said it best: "If a man looks upon a woman to lust after her, he hath committed adulter already." This from the Son of God. So is he your target of hatred and demonic behavior. I do pray that you can overcome that, my dear brother. I do indeed.

As for inviting you to not watch TV, and yet watching it himself: Simple again. It's an invitation to come out of the world, while he invites some to keep current with him on the news and the need of the time for information, as the god of the people determines and directs. Same in the family, the god of the family, if he is a god, a pure man, will keep his family pure, and direct the information-gathering very selectively. There you have it. God bless you, brethren, in understanding it and in accepting even as a little child, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.
18.04.05 @ 17:12:01

onthestreet
Stringer Said: Isn't praying for someones destruction pretty much the same as trying to hire a hitman? One last thing. Why are you warrenites so stupid?
17.04.05 @ 21:49:04

Ah, the hit man: That would be God. He's hired, for he himself said it: "If ye do what I say, I am bound." But whoahhh! We don't pray for the destruction of souls, but as Paul says, we battle against principalities and powers (and all such that corrupt). Let souls only be blessed, even yours, and come to a knowledge of these truths, and if you are destroyed in the flesh, then may you be saved in eternity. It will be according to how you accept or reject these truths, so shall it be.
18.04.05 @ 17:30:03

onthestreet
String Said: One last thing. Why are you warrenites so stupid?

Street's Reply: Ah yes, stupid is good, for even you Lord was as 'dumb' as a lamb to the slaughter. Sheep are stupid as to carnal and stupid things, so two negatives make a positive. Thank you for the completment.
18.04.05 @ 17:33:48

onthestreet
Annonomyous Said:
Wow onthestreet! Is that because you got kicked out on the street or are you really a prostitute?
18.04.05 @ 02:02:07

annonomyous
Go easy on onthestreet. My guess is that old onthestreet is one of the boys who lost their families, still praying to Warren their God, dreaming about their neighbors wives(their used to be wives are now sleeping with their neighbor) they are as adulterous as they can be and consumed by jealousy. Does anyone else want to do a profile on poor old onthestreet?
18.04.05 @ 02:27:01

Street's Reply: Yes, I was adjusted, just like the rest of you. . . Thou he slay me. . . Just one of the dumb sheep for the sheep-heard, that little flock, dreaming about my own bridehood for the bridegroom, for I am the wife. I lost all for the excellency of the glory of my God and his prophet. In that, I glory, being faithful to thecommand: "Sacri- fice all things for the glory of God." Yes, dreaming of the love of my neighbor, and to love God with all my heart, might, mind, and soul. Yes, Yearning For Zion.
18.04.05 @ 17:44:19

onthestreet
Annonomyous Said:
Winston did not put you on the street. He did not tell your family to leave you. When asked pulicly about his daughter Susie he told the media that he wanted her to stay with her husband and raise their children. Now you told your family to leave you. You taught them to not have anything to do with you. You laughed when the people in Centennial were sluffed off like they had never done one good thing, and mocked at those dear ladies who held onto their families. Calamity will cover the mocker and no one knows that better than you do onethestreet. Since you are houseless, familyless, broke and unemployed, why don't you try reaching out somewhere for friendship. There are hundreds of people who would be your friends. Winston would be the first one, or is the jealousy that you have been nursing these many years far too treasured?
18.04.05 @ 10:35:18

Street's Reply: Winston didn't have the capacity, nor the jurisdiction, to adjust me, much less any other man, woman, or child at this point. That took a prophet.
God says it best: "I will laugh at their calamity." No, we don't laugh at the destruction of souls. That is the work of a God. So as you mock him, calamity will cover you, and just about all we can do for you is weep the Nephite Lamentation. Yes, I reach out somewhere for friendship, for God is everywhere around me and in me, because of my love, and the Priesthood is a Council of Friends. As for Winston's brand of 'friendship,' it is more like fiendship, which I don't care much for. But thanks anyway, brother. Yes, the jealousy is far too treasure, for he is a jealous God, and my treasure is in heaven.
18.04.05 @ 17:53:38

onthestreet
String Said: You are obviously behind on things or you would realize that Suzie is Winston's daughter. Does not every man have the God Given Right to see their own children? At least to say they love their children? What the hell is wrong with you? Crawl back into your dark hole and pray for warren to consume you with his holy fire.
18.04.05 @ 14:48:20

Street's Reply: Suzie WAS Winny's daughter, but the Lord does the grafting and adjusting. Suzie and all the women and children on the earth find justice. The "god-given right" to see your own daughter is only that when God gives. But God gives, and God taketh away. You can say that you love till blue in the face: "He who says that he loveth me, and keepeth not my commandments, is a liar (JC). Yes, may Warren consume me with his holy fire, for it IS indeed holy, and he is love, that all consuming love.
18.04.05 @ 18:02:15

Stinger - email
Street, I must once again say I am sorry. You see, I didn't realize at first that we worship different gods. My God says things like "What I have put together let no man tear apart." or "You must forgive all men their trespass and I, The Lord will be the judge." Then there are ten commandments that my God gave to us. They say things like Thou shalt have no other God but me. (How can warren be a God unto the people?) Thou shalt not commit murder! (Is not praying for someones destruction the same as trying to kill them yourself?) Honour thy father and mother! (Just because your parents don't believe the same as you, you shouldn't abandon them.) THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY (Your own bloody god is commiting this one with his father's wives!!) Thou shalt not steal!(When you take another man's family away, THIS IS STEALING!). Know this, Street, there is still hope for you. Give up the dark god who you follow. Let light back into your life. The true God will still forgive you. Unless you have commited a murder or looked into his face before you turned towards warren.
18.04.05 @ 18:28:41

onthestreet
Yes, let no man tear asunder. When you who lost your wives and children abused them, you tore asunder. Man will be held accountable for his own sins, and not for Adam's transgression (or for what any prophet does for the Lord). Yes, the Lord will be the Judge, and look! He judged you. The think it was the Eccles-iast who said: All things under the sun, the Lord himself doeth. So the Lord judged you. As for the prophet, he forgives you, but the Lord judged you, and will judge you again.
As for the Ten Commandments: You had other gods, so he judges you. You murdered the spirit of your family, and your own spirit, so he judges you. You committed adultery, many of you, so he judges you. You dishonored the father of the people, and your own fatherhood, and the Father of us all. So he judges you.

You say: Just because your parents don't believe the same as you, you don't abandon them." What saith the Lord?

"Ye shall leave father and mother, for my name's sake. Who is thy father and thy mother? They who do the Father's will. Come out of her, and be not partakers of their sins." There are many more things that he says, that condemn you. No, we don't condemn you. There is a God in heaven who condemns you, because you condemn yourselves.
18.04.05 @ 19:11:53

Stinger - email
Yo, streety, you ol' lot lizard, it's like your writing a diary or somethin'.
PS Are you any relation to Ruth Cooke?
18.04.05 @ 19:31:11

name
what does the lord say? Seems like he said once, "Honour thy father and thy mother". Or is this a lesser law?
18.04.05 @ 19:32:08

Stinger - email
It seems street has come across a new set of rules that can be changed as needed.
18.04.05 @ 19:56:52

name
To: On The Street,
What do you call Warren for having sex with his little nephew?
18.04.05 @ 21:35:22

anon
Hey streety, you describe Winstons "friendship" as "fiendship" I bet you have no reason to say that other than your own prejudices. I you do share your reasons
18.04.05 @ 21:37:51

anon
To "Onthestreet"
Wouldn't you agree that when a true Prophet of God prophecies something it always happens. Then if Warren is a Prophet then why havent the destructions happened six or seven years ago like he said that they would? Dont tell me he never gave any deadlines because I went to school at Alta Academy for 11 years. Many times we were told that "this will be our last school year"," there will be no October Fest" , or April Conference because the destructions were going to happen. In the scriptures it says that not even the angels of Heaven know the time, and in the TPJS pg. 340-341 it says "in the in year of the rainbow there will be seed time and harvest and the end will not come." So why is Warren even predicting the end when we have a promise from God that the end wouldn't come if there was a rainbow in the heavens, as we have seen this year.
18.04.05 @ 21:49:45

name
To "Street"
If what Warren is doing is so right, then why does he have guards at the door of the meeting house. In the Book of Mormon it says that you should "turn no man away from your synagogue or your house of worship. "
18.04.05 @ 21:57:03

name
To Sreet
One more thing if you have such a problem with Winston's paper then why don't you quit criticizing it and quit reading it.
18.04.05 @ 22:00:16

onthestreet
Anon Said: So why is Warren even predicting the end when we have a promise from God that the end wouldn't come if there was a rainbow in the heavens, as we have seen this year.
18.04.05 @ 21:49:45

Street's Reply: So simple. Every year, the end comes for many, just as he prophecied, and for many more the end came in their relationship with God, for nonbelief. So the prophecies come true. That is a true prophet. As for the time (when Christ returns), no man knoweth. The end for many is not the same as the return of Christ. Each year, the destruction happen, and so far they're just dress-rehearsals. If the God of heaven is so graceful as you allow you to draw another breath, bless him, don't curse him.
18.04.05 @ 22:17:24

GBNF
Street,
You have not answered my question about Warren having sex with his young nephews. What do you call that? Is it Adultery, Sodomy, Satanic...what? Or is it a Michael Jackson impersonation?
Do you "moon-walk" too? Is that how he has dominated you, absolutely?
18.04.05 @ 22:26:13

onthestreet
Name Said:
To "Street"
If what Warren is doing is so right, then why does he have guards at the door of the meeting house. In the Book of Mormon it says that you should "turn no man away from your synagogue or your house of worship. "
18.04.05 @ 21:57:03

Street's Reply: Oh yes, why indeed did the Prophet Joseph have guards, if he was so right. Why did Christ Himself speak of watchmen, if he was so right. Why do your women wash the dishes, if they are Sooooo righteous, and why do you wipe yourselves. You see, many things are good and prudent for us to take care of. It's part of the logistics of life that God has placed around us, that we might come here and gain experience like he did on another earth like this one. Why this, why that? That is no basis in judging the righteousness of a prophet or a god. No depth of intelligence in that, is there.

As for turning no man away, it doesn't allow every dog and corruption and drunk to come in and desecrate the House of God. Christ himself cast out demons, and even Israel from His House, did he not? It refers to turning no saint away, they who are worthy to dwell in a pure tabernacle, being pure themselves. All else is cast out. Thus is the parable of the wheat and the tares.
18.04.05 @ 22:28:58

onthestreet
Name Said:
To Sreet
One more thing if you have such a problem with Winston's paper then why don't you quit criticizing it and quit reading it.
18.04.05 @ 22:00:16

Street's Reply: Ah, thought you'd never ask. Do my posts threaten your standing, or the veracity of your paper? Or indeed, do your articles stand on the the truth, on their own? Thus, for your entertainment and enlightenment, to compare truth and error.
18.04.05 @ 22:33:57

onthestreet
GBNF Said:
Street,
You have not answered my question about Warren having sex with his young nephews. What do you call that? Is it Adultery, Sodomy, Satanic...what? Or is it a Michael Jackson impersonation?
Do you "moon-walk" too? Is that how he has dominated you, absolutely?
18.04.05 @ 22:26:13

Street's Reply: Yes, he may well have taken some to the woodshed, and even taken a look to see if they were abusing themselves. When a child gets a rash, the parent or the principal in charge much investigate, or else neglecting to do so would be the real cry of abuse. Joseph was also accused of immorality. Remember, Christ possessed a demon, according to the High Priests, and God himself be damned (GD this, GD that).
This doesn't throw him from his throne, now does it. No, you cannot blow out the sun, nor the Son, but by the blast of his nostrils he sweeps the land clean.
18.04.05 @ 22:42:00

onthestreet
Anon Said:
Hey streety, you describe Winstons "friendship" as "fiendship" I bet you have no reason to say that other than your own prejudices. I you do share your reasons
18.04.05 @ 21:37:51

Street's Reply: By their fruits we know them. Call me streety, or call me sweety, doesn't matter.
18.04.05 @ 22:45:24

GBNF
Street,
Are you supporting Warren in sexually abused his own nephews? As for Joseph Smith, I believe his lust for young women is the basis for polygamy. But back to Warren blowing his nose to clean the land, and being possessed by Christ....What the GD (your words) are you talking about? Did you molest too? Is that why your family rejected you? Has Warren possessed your body? And was that a part of your indoctrination?
18.04.05 @ 22:54:55

Stinger - email
I think we will call you fruity.
18.04.05 @ 22:57:06

onthestreet
Thanks Stinger. By their fruits. . .
18.04.05 @ 23:09:24

anon
ok street person you seem to be having fun here, you can't be for real, not even waren is that strange. Tell us the truth about yourself. What do you realy believe.
18.04.05 @ 23:50:28

name
" A rash, abusing themselves, sodomy, hell of a comparison. How did you dream that one up
18.04.05 @ 23:56:31



GBNF
I agree with anon 18.04.05 @ 23:50:28.
Street you are not real. You are probly LOL @ this whole blog. I guess you have no love for Warren either. Thank you for your effort to spice up the blog, but being REAL would be much more interesting.
18.04.05 @ 23:59:41

Stinger
I have to agree, fruity, you are starting to show to many inconsistancies on your various blogs. You should have just stuck to one spot with your posts. But it has been a pretty good joke. You even seemed like a hard core warrenite for awhile. ROFLMAO
19.04.05 @ 10:39:42

onthestreet
The joke's on you, and the welfare of souls in no joke. So don't take it lightly. Take it all very much to heart, or else. . .You all joke with sacred things. That's your problem.
19.04.05 @ 15:28:04

Stinger - email
Give it a rest fuity. You are coming on way too strong. Even the true hard core warrenites couldn't be quite as strange as you are trying to be.
19.04.05 @ 15:37:59

onthestreet
The Lord will not rest until his work is done. Only demons will counsel people to rest on laurels which they don't even possess, thinking their salvation is won. As for being strange, Abraham and all the prophets confessed they were strangers in a strange land. Only when the saints inherit the earth, will that change, and millions of saints have already inherited it. So your misery will not last too much longer now, at least not here upon this earth.
19.04.05 @ 16:07:06

onthestreet
TESTIMONY (page 2 of the rag):

You said: "A part of that testimony was (that) the principal of plural or celestial marriage was true." But once you're cut off, it's just dog breeding; nothing Celestial about it. But don't worry, it's not such a bad species of animal. It's noted as man's best friend, is it not. Even our Lord noted the proper place of a dog. "Then came the manifesto," you noted. Yes, WB lickedy split. "By a mere stroke of a pen. . . a principle (a prophet) that they knew by the inspiration of God to be eternally essential, was no longer necessary. . ." Without the legal administrator, where is there any legal administration? And the Lord in the D&C specifies what is legal: That which comes down by regular (not irregular) succession, by proclamation of the Prophet before him, under the current revelation of the Lord. So you're Black, and now more than you ever was.

"A principle. . . no longer necessary because we have a testimony of our Prophet, and he will not lead us astray." Very true, that's what the apostate church did, accepted a false prophet in Willy Woodruff, thinking he would not lead them astray. But what did the elect do? They stuck with the man in hiding, like they do today, the man who came down by regular succession, by appointment of the prophet before, and he indeed did not lead them astray. That legal succession is whence you all sprang. So now today, you see what you have done: Rejected the one in hiding, and the one who came down by legal succession, while Winny leads some sheep astray like Willy did in 1890. You see, the people in 1890 had a testimony in the prophet, and that he would not lead them astray, but he DID lead them astray, because he was the wrong prophet, the false prophet. John Woolley was appointed by the Lord through John Taylor, and accepted by the people as such, though they were few. Warren Jeffs was appointed by the Lord through Rulon Jess, and accepted by the elect, but the rebellious rebelled like in Woodruff's day.

John Taylor was known as a lion of the Lord. Today, Warren is the shepherd, like a lion lying down with the lamb and ruling with an iron hand, just as Christ says he will do in his glory. So what is wrong with ruling with an iron hand? "I cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance," says your Lord and Savior.

Then you say: (Christ) is the great prototype." True enough, but he himself spoke of the gatekeepers and the watchmen. You must pass through gates or prophets that lead to him, for it is a process of introduction. The gentile world are the ones who presume and decree: We do not need a prophet to get to heaven. We'll go to Christ, for he is the great prototype. You consider Warren the least of the prophets, do you not. Okay, your Lord said it: "What you do unto the least of these, you do unto me." So much for your testimony and your doom, unless of course you speedilly repend of such presumption and rebellion. God bless the more intelligent among you in that endeavor.
19.04.05 @ 16:45:55

onthestreet
OUR OWN POLYGAMY SUMMIT:

So, you're really doing what all the world does, claiming summits and thrones! I once thought better of you people, and I still hope for some of you, Yearning For Zion.
19.04.05 @ 16:57:40

onthestreet
WINSTON BLACK MORE FACTS:

1. "No, Winston does not have 30 wives. Never has, never plans on it." So how will you become a god over your seed, and populate planets. Are you saying that is not in your plans, to by like you Father which is in heaven?

2. "No, Winston does not have 100 children." No you don't. You don't even have one, for the Lord is taking them away from you.

3. "No, Winston did not start a church." No you didn't. So why do you claim the leadership by a very irregular succession?

4. "No, Winston is not a millionaire. . . but hopes like all of Canada to win that elusive lottery." How unprophet-like! So your true interest and design is profit. How telling, indeed. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. "Heck Yah, I'll join the neutered UEP board, by damn. Look at all the wealth I can control. Worship me." That is not godly, winny, but very ungodly.
19.04.05 @ 17:13:16

onthestreet
WINSTON BLACK MORE FACTS:

5. "No, Winston did not sue the UEP, nor is he trying to take it over." But heck yah again, I'll join the board of the eunich. That temple (board, people, or any organization) which is defiled, God will destroy.

6. "No, Winston does not claim to be anyone's prophet. He has, however, enjoyed (past-tense) the peaceful (fuzzy) spirit. . ." So if you don't even claim your position over the people, they are without a shepherd and among the wolves. "They shall cry 'peace, peace,' and there shall be no peace."

7. "No, Winston is not racist. He was born color-blind." Yes, the blind leading the blind. Even the black man you insult, denying his true position before the Lord, to come into possession of blessings in the due time of the Lord. That is as racist as one can get, for you seek to rob him of his very soul by getting him to seize upon blessings unlawfully.

8. No Winston does not drink alcohol. . . but has felt like doing it... That my man if very ungodly.
19.04.05 @ 17:28:27

GBNF
"Streety"
You are one sour, bitter, bitter person.
I don't know Winston but, It sure seems he's "got yer goat".
BTW
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO JUDGE?
19.04.05 @ 17:34:18

Anonymous
To onthestreet:

I'm humbled by your eloquent wisdom. I simply didn't understand before, but now it's so clear--every father and family head is good so long as he obediently comes under the fathership of the prophet. No wonder I screwed up. All this time I've been certain that prophet Warren was only the father of lies. Now I know that's not completely true--He's also the father of liars . . .

An excuse for every failed prophecy, how convenient, how dynamic, how flexible. I'll bet the sheeple are getting a little dizzy with all the riddles for doctirne that is sold as cut-and-paste scripture. I guess that's the only scripture that works for cut-and-paste prophecy . . .

What's next onthestreet, the sheeple have already forgotten the failed prophecy's and are hungering for more?
19.04.05 @ 17:34:43

Stinger - email
Look fruity, you old lot lizard, this is a complete waste of time. The jig is up. If the warrenites were as screwed up in the head as you are trying to make them seem, I think they would have drank the sacred poison kool-aid long ago. All you are doing is acting like a two year old trying to make people believe you little fantasies. Give it up.
19.04.05 @ 17:35:26

name
17:28:27.......the time will come when the people will not be able to have access to the prophet.............
19.04.05 @ 18:05:08

Stinger - email
Hey fruity, since we're jokin' around here, What do you get if you play one of waren's tapes backwards??? You get your money back, your house back, and your family back. Heh Heh Heh. Your turn. Let's try for one that's not as dark as your other stuff, though. I mean really, this is quite a nice world.
19.04.05 @ 18:33:35

C-N-H
Onthestreet,
With all the venomous bile spewing forth out of your mouth, why would any of us care to join with your or Warren?
Reading through "Sharing the Light", I've seen a more Christ-like attitude then perhaps anywhere else, and I'm with a different fundamentalist group...for now.
19.04.05 @ 18:34:16

name
streety,
you might as well give up your whole gig. You hardly say anything that the devoted warrenites say. Your arguements come from a completely different point of view then theirs. I know you have had fun with this and so have we. Keep it up if you would like to but I believe very few of us believe you are who you say you are. You do seem a bit bitter though towards Winston Blackmore. Have you ever met the guy in person? I bet not. You sure seem to be doing a lot of judging for someone that doesnt judge.
19.04.05 @ 20:06:32

name
To OntheStreet
Street's Reply: Yes, he may well have taken some to the woodshed, and even taken a look to see if they were abusing themselves. When a child gets a rash, the parent or the principal in charge much investigate, or else neglecting to do so would be the real cry of abuse.

It is never a principals responsibility to pull down other peoples childrens pants to see if they are playing with themselves. That is none of his business. What five year old would even think about playing with themselves. Who said the boy had a rash that needed investigated. If he did it should have been by a trusting parent or a doctor. Not his uncle. How could it be the principals responsibility to check out the rash when the child wasnt even in shool yet and it happened after a family Sunday School. Not only by Warren but by two of his brothers as well.
19.04.05 @ 20:16:19

innocent bystander
to onthestreet
How do you know Susie doesnt love her father? How do you know she doesnt want to see him? How do you know if she even supports warren? You dont. Nobody knows her heart except her. SO QUIT TALKING FOR HER. Do you know her personally? I doubt it. People grow up, get married, and have their own families, some people(unlike you) do what ever they can to keep them together. So whos to say thats not what Susie is doing?

Oh and by the way if warren can see what people are doing and God tells him what they are doing, then why in the world would he want the jiucy details???
For goodness sakes hes already seen it?
20.04.05 @ 18:06:15

onthestreet
Name Said: It is never a principals responsibility to pull down other peoples childrens pants to see if they are playing with themselves. That is none of his business. What five year old would even think about playing with themselves. Who said the boy had a rash that needed investigated. If he did it should have been by a trusting parent or a doctor. Not his uncle. How could it be the principals responsibility to check out the rash when the child wasnt even in shool yet and it happened after a family Sunday School. Not only by Warren but by two of his brothers as well.
19.04.05 @ 20:16:19

Street's Reply: So it is in a corrupt world. The principal is neutered and powerless. You forget, we're not talking about gentile schools. This is priesthood, the work of God, and the power of God to lead, under the direct counsel of the servant of God. That is all his business, or else God himself has no business dealing with his own creations. This child was his own creation. So you grossly err in your wailing. Who said the boy had a rash, etc. . . Just a possibility. If two-year olds are the "terrible two's," do not doubt the capacity of five-year olds to be twice as terrible, until a good brother takes him in hand and helps him do better. As far as a 'trusting parent or doctor' is concerned, the world knows how UN-trustworthy parents and doctors can often be, even to the tune of killing their own children or patients. And now, the media reports on it daily, the killings in hospitals and private homes, and the lawful abortions of innocent children. Ah yes, very very trustworthy. As far as the help from that good brother, under direction, to help that dear boy, what better day to help him be holy than on the holy day. So again, you grossly err, albeit maybe not maliciously, and maybe so.
21.04.05 @ 15:53:41

onthestreet
GBNF Said:
"Streety"
You are one sour, bitter, bitter person.
I don't know Winston but, It sure seems he's "got yer goat".
BTW
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO JUDGE?
19.04.05 @ 17:34:18

Street's Reply: Winny's not that bad. His thinking is not entirely singed with a hot iron (yet). As far as him getting my goat, you're all welcomed to the goats. You can have it. I prefer sheep myself. "Ah, who the hell am I to judge?" Was that a question, or just the wailing and gnashing of teeth? You know, the dark savage brothers asked that very question to Nephi: "Who the hell are you to judge." Now, I'm not Nephi, but I'm his brother.
21.04.05 @ 16:07:15

onthestreet
Anony mouse Said: What's next onthestreet, the sheeple have already forgotten the failed prophecy's and are hungering for more?
19.04.05 @ 17:34:43

Street's Reply: Yes, you're pretty right (sort of): The people have forgotten, not knowing "the patience of the saints." As you know, some prophecies have taken thousands of years to manifest. By that reasoning, were they false? Go ahead, hazzard a guess. You know they were TRUE, even though they "failed" for millenia upon millenia. However, it is written: "I will cut my work short." Hunger and thirst after righteousness, not prophecy, for many things shall fail, but righteousness endures forever.
21.04.05 @ 16:14:49

Stinger
So....I take back what I said elsewhere on this site. Since you are in the library, maybe you should check out a real bible and read it. I imagine buisness must be slow down at the truck stop, so take some time and read what the bible really says about these issues. Also I think your little game has about lasted long enough. Maybe instead of spending your time in the library writing your garbage go to the gym, maybe even try for a different job. I am sure you could be something better than a common lot lizard.
21.04.05 @ 16:17:37

onthestreet
Name Said:
17:28:27.......the time will come when the people will not be able to have access to the prophet.............
19.04.05 @ 18:05:08

Street's Reply: Now you're thinking! The time is now. Many of the people do not have access to the prophet. Prophecy fulfilled.
21.04.05 @ 16:19:11

onthestreet
'Innocent' Bystander Said: Oh and by the way if Warren can see what people are doing and God tells him what they are doing, then why in the world would he want the jiucy details???
For goodness sakes hes already seen it?
20.04.05 @ 18:06:15

Street's Reply: Revelation comes in many forms, for God manifests in many forms. Waking up to see the sun rise is
a revelation for God. Turning on a bedroom light is a revelation from God. Dreams are revelations, Visions, Impressions, Inspirations, and Prophecies are all revelations. If we don't do our part, God is less likely to do his. Now you know.
21.04.05 @ 16:28:24

Stinger
Fruity, I'm wondering if you can clear something up for us. Are you male, female, or hermafradite?
21.04.05 @ 17:55:48

C-N-H
I'm kinda interested myself ..you seem to indicate a one point your a women and other points you indicate your a man. I too am confused.
21.04.05 @ 18:01:03

JHB
Maybe the weather in Phoenix is getting to hot for streety, causing confusion.
21.04.05 @ 18:26:10

onthesteet
Stinger Said:
Fruity, I'm wondering if you can clear something up for us. Are you male, female, or hermafradite?
21.04.05 @ 17:55:48

Street's Reply: He who seeketh a sign shall perish. To judge a person by their gender, or to seek their issues by gender, is an adulterous person and a sign-seeker.
21.04.05 @ 18:59:32

Stinger - email
Fruity, I will take that to mean you are a hermafradite. I think the Phoenix sun must reallly be getting to you, your comments are getting more and more loopy. Maybe the library is too dusty. Also, if you are so holy, why can't you get a computer at your own home?
21.04.05 @ 19:11:13

name
To Street
I dont for a second think you are one of Warrens followers so I was wondering if you would be willing to answer some questions about the group. Questions anyone who was in the group in the last ten years would know. This would be just for fun to see if you have ever even lived in Colorado City or have even been affiliated with the group. What do you say are you up to it.
21.04.05 @ 19:15:57

onthestreet
The name says it all, as a stranger in a strange land, and living in sackcloth. If the prophets also suffered so, and even your Lord had naught to lay his head, I'm okay. I'm in good hands. He had plenty to say againts many who boasted of their great houses, how not one brick will remain upon another.
21.04.05 @ 19:17:01

onthestreet
As for my being holy, noooo. I'm the worst of all creatures. All are better than I, for sure, for I am a sinner.
21.04.05 @ 19:18:52

onthestreet
Street's Reply to Name:

You're wrong, and no I don't play games with men's souls.
21.04.05 @ 19:20:31

anonn
To Street

How would you be playing games with men souls? I didnt say anything about mens souls. All I was wondering is if you dared to answer a few questions to confirm you have ever even lived in CC. I still think you are just a bystander just having a little fun.
21.04.05 @ 19:39:42

Stinger - email
I would take that as a big no, name.
21.04.05 @ 19:47:01

onthestreet
Right. Just a bystander (on the street).
21.04.05 @ 19:51:06

Anonymous
I think it's obvious at this point that "onthestreet" is an imposter and not a true Warrenite. He's having fun playing with the dialogue as if he actually was an authority (FLDS).

I'm afraid his repetative drivel has betrayed him . . .
22.04.05 @ 15:17:38

onthestreet
POLYGAMY IN RUSSIA (Comments on 'The Paper' continued):

Your announcement and obsession on African and Slovic breeding bespeaks your blackness, even black more than one would imagine. This is no sweat of their back, however, for they are more pure than you. They are in darkness, you outer darkness.
22.04.05 @ 16:34:14

onthestreet
TO THE EDITOR: "I also realized that Warren has changed all of the first principles of the gospel (Obedience is the first law of heaven, says your Lord).

First, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ has been changed to faith in 'our' holy prophet: They are the same, and "What ye do unto the least of these, ye do unto me," again according to the very Savior of the world)).

Second, repentance. An absolute mockery has been made of repentance: How can there be forgiveness, if you don't repent of your immoralities, accusing your brethren, your very prophet, and drawing souls down to hell? Yes, you have made an absolute mockery of it.

Third, baptism. . . To be baptised is to be immersed. If you are not immersed with your prophet and your God, then you certainly mock them, and make a complete mockery of all that is holy.

Fourth, the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost: Ditto, how can he fill you if you have defiled his house. Thus, your complete mockery seals your doom. The Holy Ghost isn't just within, it is within and without, or not at all, and it comes through the pathway of the prophets. In the dynamics of flow, electricity, water, light, or thermodynamics, you need a medium, and without that the circuitry is broken.

Why would WB accept such editorial thought, and print such a rag, and call it toiletries or 'paper'. The joke is on you, my little man. I just feel sorry for you. I only hope that in the incline of life, you can climb up, and not slip further into the pit
22.04.05 @ 16:49:18

onthestreet
ACCIDENT: Our web administrator has had an accident to his right hand. He had three fingers severed. As of today's date, they were successful in reattatching two of them. . . A stray prayer on his behalf wouldn't hurt him either:

How telling! There's your omen, if ye seek a sign, the trinity severed, as you are severed from his right hand, and all but one reattatched (the Father, and the strivings of the Holy Spirit). But the redeeming one? What about that? Do you have your Redeemer?

As for my prayers for you, okay. But stray prayers are like stray dogs. Let not your prayers or your principles stray, lest ye be found in bye and forbidden paths, and your souls lost.
22.04.05 @ 16:57:46

onthestreet
UNCLE FRED JESSOP: As all know, Uncle Fred Jessop passed away. . . reflect on how he was the first to welcome all and everyone:

No, he didn't pass away, he just passed into another room, literally. Ye are the ones who are dead, and he will say to you: "Get ye hense, I never knew you. Uncle Fred was a lion of the Lord who welcomed few, and had thousands cast out, fulfilling the Lord's parable of the tares, and "Few there be that find it."
22.04.05 @ 17:02:31

onthestreet
UNCLE PHIL THORNTON: In the continuing epidemic of being deserted in death. . . (or of turning a deaf ear, if that is what he did).
22.04.05 @ 17:24:42

onthestreet
TRUE LEADERS: "True leaders never shun having their Doctrines subjected to careful examination. They want their teachings investigated and compared to the revealed word of God."

Righto. My posts have done that, as you can see, although I am not the leader. I have one to lead me on earth, and then I am lead of heaven. But as for your posts, they have all been wailing and gnashing of teeth at the prophet and the word, even when they are referenced directly to the Lord Himself. Therefore, your proclamation on "True Leadership" doesn't apply to you, as all can see, so plainly that a child can understand it.
22.04.05 @ 17:31:59

onthestreet
TRUE LEADERS (Cont.): "They never subtly employ the satanic doctrine of no discussion or investigation."

"And there was silence in heaven. . ." No discussion or investigation. Investigation 'by sincere questioning. . .' degrades into desecration by sinful and seared minds, questioning God and trying to put limits on Him, telling him that he can only go so far. This being true enough, God leaves you to your free agency, and gives you your freedom to dwell in hell as you are pleased to do. But that which is defiled cannot dwell with him, nor can they dwell with the elect of God. The heavens are as brass over your heads. . . No discussion.

You then say: "When God sends a prophet with the axe of truth to lay at the root of the trees that bring forth evil fruit." Right again: Ye are the trees that bring forth evil fruit. He laid the truth at your root, and his word being a two-edged sway has hewn you down, and severed you from His house.

Then you said: "The course being taken by today's popular leaders is the same. . . as those who crucified the Lord and martyred the Prophet." The Prophet Warren today is not very popular, as you well know, any more than Jesus or Joseph were, while you bask with the media and are complemented by many. Just look at the posts in this forum, and in the Texas Blog, and elsewhere. You revel with the scribes and the pharisees. Then you spew into the matter of a "Legal Successor."

LEGAL SUCCESSOR: "I say that I am a good hand to keep the dogs and the wolves out of the flock."

By holding your summits, inviding them in? By desperately going to Russia and Africa, and to malcontents everywhere, to lick your wounds?

Then you say: "What kind of a great man, O Lord, are you going to make me." Others wondered the same thing: Satan, Cain, Judas, Laman, Lemuel, and had fantacies of grandeur. Thus, you have volunteered to take over the United Effort Plan, and to rule God's church, wherever you think you can find it: Russia, Africa, even the depths of hell. There you go.
22.04.05 @ 17:57:01





onthestreet
It s seems that crying won't change a woman's right to her children, nor her religion. That's not a "new" love, just love, and it certainly does include family. So how does Uncle Warren get women (or men) to do anything? Pretty basic. Brigham said it: I teach them the truth and they govern themselves. The right to see 'your' children is sealed in the ability to seal your children yours, and not just by a one time ceremony either. The battle is to he who endures (faithful, that is, to the prophet pointed to by the prophet before him, as his successor, as revealed to him by the Lord). Men and women obeying is truly some light on a hill, if you can handle that. The masses always hated obedience and repentance and purity and everything pertaining to the strict order of God, so where does it leave you all. Where does it leave you?
17.04.05 @ 17:43:27

name
another classic example of changing scripture, gospel,or truths.
17.04.05 @ 20:06:33

Stinger - email
It leaves us with our families.
17.04.05 @ 21:37:05

annonomyous
onthestreet-Your little post reminds me of the phrase "cesspool of purity". When you have a society that is controlled by women who would leave their husbands in a moment, it is only a mockery to compare that to anything at all that the Prophet Joseph did.
18.04.05 @ 01:50:13

rayj
It seems a certain man was told he would have a great reward if he met at a certain place and time. On the way there he was beaten and robbed by robbers along the way, and missed his appointment. It's been asked "whose fault was it"? "why the robbers" you say, and WHO IS THE LOSER? It makes more sense to me now than before.
18.04.05 @ 03:39:53

anonymous
anyone can follow, it takes a real man to know where he is going
18.04.05 @ 04:07:14

annonomyous
Didn't Uncle Rulon say over and over that he was going to live 300 plus years into the millenium? I saw him do it on those tapes they sent up here to watch. Didn't Warren point out to us time after time that his father would be the last prophet? Now after that misfire, Warren told us in Canada that there was positively no time left to do any more building, no time to go to another conference, no time for repentance. That was five years ago. Some prophet, huh! There is a medical condition that explains the holy thing. Bi-polar.
18.04.05 @ 10:54:17
Anonymous
To onthestreet:

I appreciate your comments on this blog. As one who was never a member of the recently incorporated FLDS Church, I've had no direct doctrinal reference to measure an FLDS member by--I've had only your act's and outward performances to determine your brand of christianity (?).

Now that I've heard directly from an FLDS apoligist (onthestreet), I can make a more accurate assessment of FLDS doctrine and dogma.

First let me say that the one-man-god idol worship of your "prophet" definitely does not square up with the teachings of Jesus. I refer you to Luke Ch. 18. v. 18-19, "And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God."

If none is good but God, then we are all in the same boat so-to-speak, and are brothers and sisters of equal status (prophet and lay members alike) before God--And no mortal (not even Jesus) is in the position of God the Father, to us. Jesus repeatedly taught that no one is God but the Father, else why did he pray to the Father and not to himself.

Brother Johnson said in one of his sermons that we should honor the Priesthood Council, not worship them. The same should go for your "prophet" onthestreet, if he has any quality's worth honoring. By the way onthestreet, when it comes your time to be eliminated, your prayers to "Uncle Rulon," or "Uncle Roy," won't deliver you from "Uncle Warren." But you might try praying to "God the Eternal Father," through his son Jesus Christ, for deliverance.

My dillemma onthestreet, is trying to find christian evidences in FLDS membership based on FLDS behavior. I must admit, the epidemic destruction of family's put together by Brother Johnson is not christian behavior. Taking away men's homes is not christian behavior and eliminating the administration of the gospel by apostles, after the pattern Jesus gave and replacing it by a "one-man-god-prophet, is not christian behavior.

Onthestreet, Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." Whatever your doctrine may be, I see no evidence of christianity in your FLDS Church. What I do see most clearly is repeated unfulfilled prophecy's and un-christian acts of meanspiritedness by your so-called prophet to his fellow brethern--many who have sacrificed their all to his support.

Yes, it is so true, by their fruits ye shall know them . . .
18.04.05 @ 12:07:19

onthestreet
To Anonymous (18.04.05@12:07:19)

You said: "Now that I've heard directly from an FLDS apoligist (onthestreet), I can make a more accurate assessment of FLDS doctrine and dogma. First let me say that the one-man-god idol worship of your "prophet" definitely does not square up with the teachings of Jesus. I refer you to Luke Ch. 18. v. 18-19, "And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God."

Street's reply: I'm afraid that you have again taken the name or word of the Lord in vain, and misquoted scripture. The Lord did not say 'there is none good but God'. He said, 'There is none good but the father.' Warren is the father of the people, so on a church-wide basis, there is none "good" but him. You are the father of a family, so on the family-wide basis there is none "good" but you. This way, all the people belonging to that jurisdiction honor and exalt and uphold the leader. On a planetary basis, Michael is the father, and at that level there is none good but him. This then produces good order within any given jurisdiction, you see. Then, it is no longer a "one-man god idol worship as you said, as an accuser of the brethren, but in fact just good order in your family, or in any other jurisdiction.

You say that all are "therefore" equal status. Ah yes, the head is very important, the arms, the hands, the legs, the feet. But whoaaa! Two heads, ten, fifty? You have a monster on your hands there, Mr. Frankenstein. Now, as to Uncle Roy saying we should not worship him, the Lord is not saying that exalting men is worship. We worship only Michael our God. Thus, we have supreme goodness in a father, and all the more when a people truly honor and exalt their leader in a church or a family. Otherwise, you have only dishonor, and disorder. As for your "dillema of christian behavior, your Lord himself said that from many will be taken even the one talent or wife that they have. Oh my, how unchristian and ungodly for Jesus Christ to do that, or to direct a prophet to do it. How indeed can they allow a man to keep a family that he is abusing! Women and children are holy before the Lord, you see, "for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven. As for "epidemic distruction, that is brought on by the abuses of spiritual Babylon or Egypt, just as the Lord brought on the epidemic plagues and destructions at the exodus, and many times against Israel itself, for their abuses. So the Lord has the right and the power and the determination to sweep clean that which is unclean, that he may now return with a millenial people. As for "repeated unfulfilled prophecy," RTJ prophecied 320 some odd years of life for himself. What does he do? As he saw the Father do, to lay down his life and take it up again. So if he returns with the ten-thousands of his angels, lives 320 some odd years as a king, setting up a kingdom, under the King of Kings, and then goes and does something else for the Lord, what is that to you? The prophecies are always fulfilled, just not when and how you fancy it should be. Yes, "by their fruits ye shall know them," and the fruits of the FLDS are peace, quietude, eternal increase, godliness, godhood, worhip, and the opposing fruits of jealousy, hatred, dissatisfaction, weaping and wailing, will not change it. There is your evidence of Christianity, true Christianity, not the infesting garden-variety that you see in the world today. Many are called, but only few are chosen, just as Christianity's Christ said it himself. And he told John that "Satan will deceive the whole world." So consider yourselves deceived.
18.04.05 @ 16:22:55

annonomyous
onthestreet - Are you saying that Dan Barlow, Joe Barlow, Louis Barlow, Bill Shapley, Truman Barlow, Allan Steed, Uncle Fred, and a host of others were abusing their families? That doesn't make any sense.
18.04.05 @ 17:10:04

onthestreet
annonomyous said:
onthestreet - Are you saying that Dan Barlow, Joe Barlow, Louis Barlow, Bill Shapley, Truman Barlow, Allan Steed, Uncle Fred, and a host of others were abusing their families? That doesn't make any sense.
18.04.05 @ 17:10:04

Street's Reply: Oh yes it does. God is no respector of persons, and if men even in high places abuse, then God will abuse them. As for Uncle Fred, it seems to me that he was with the Prophet, faithful, to the end.
18.04.05 @ 17:18:43

anon - email
No true Prophet has ever aloud the people to worship him. street is a sick man,so is the man that he worships.
18.04.05 @ 18:51:25

onthestreet
Well, if I'm as "sick" as the God I worship, then I am fortunate indeed. I think King David said: "I am sick in love for you." Very well put.
18.04.05 @ 18:55:27

onthestreet
Split Families [General] - admin - admin@sharethelight.ca @ 12:05:12
Robert Blackmore would like any one that has been split by Warren to send an e-mail about the conditions in Warrens church as you see it. He is trying to gain visiting rights to his children that are still with his wife that is still in Warrens control. His crime was that he had relations with his wife after Warren told him not to. But every one that supports Warren always said that he did not try to control peoples private life, go figure. Robert does not want his children taken down and brought up under those conditions, so if you have any insight that would help the judge see things the way they are, it would help.

Street's Reply: That's it. You had immoral relations with your wife, thus violating your vow. Therefore the Lord handled you for abusing her, instead of honoring her. "He who looks upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery already," says your Lord.
18.04.05 @ 20:22:58

annonomyous
Whoa! How can a man commit adultery with his own wife? Please! Please! Please! Would someone explain that one to me? And from what I understand, isn't it okay to "lust" after your own wife? Besides, it shouldn't be one other person's business what goes on between a man and his wife. It seems that Warren has always been obsessed with the details of people's privacy and to me that is not an attribute of a true prophet, let alone God.
18.04.05 @ 20:42:18

onthestreet
Your wife is not a whore, so why lust after her in that way. Your wives are as holy as anyone else's wives, are they not, and you would think moreso to you. Therefore, they should be treated as honorably as a virgin, and remain a virgin, even in conception. Christ was conceived immaculately, and he commands you: Be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.
18.04.05 @ 21:50:20

onthestreet
You were placed together by God, by the prophet, so why wouldn't they know or be interested in the purity of the union? They see it all, whether you like it or not. You cannot hide your crimes. Why would you want to? Far better to put them aside. We belong to God, all of us, and God is Priesthood. So the women and children are his, and we are stewards. We are never heirs until we prove pure and holy. Yes, the attribute of a true prophet and God is to be obsessed with every detail. Not even a hair of your head falls unnoticed. That's pretty detailed, hey?
18.04.05 @ 21:56:51

Stinger - email
street you are full of shi!. I hope you are just spouting this garbage to make people mad because if you actually believe the crap you keep putting on here I think you have purchased yourself a one way ticket to hell. And warren will be your bus driver.
18.04.05 @ 22:51:45
onthestreet
Warren my bus driver? Hopefully he will indeed take me as his back load.
18.04.05 @ 23:07:38

name
If a man is not supposed to "lust"/desire/be aroused by or any other way you want to say "be with" his wife, then?.......I dont know, maybe for some conception and everything leading to it, is just a chore. ALL NORMAL MALES ARE DOMMED if this ever is the case by which we are judged.
I saw a while ago someone said "the prophet speaks the truth and lets men govern themselves", now I see " the prophet is obsessed with every detail."
What happened?
18.04.05 @ 23:43:57

name
DOMMED = DOOMED ooopps,
19.04.05 @ 00:13:46

annonomyous
onthestreet- Do you think Warren was in Denver with Uncle Fred? Think again! Do you think Uncle Fred wanted to leave his bishopric, leave his family, and go hide from the people he loved? Think again. By the way, What immoral act did you do to get put out on the street?
19.04.05 @ 09:08:41

name
Uncle Rulon said,"A man cannot commit adultery with his own wife". If uncle Warren says different he is going against his own father whom he said is still leading the people.
19.04.05 @ 10:17:40

name
I know that Uncle Dan was not an abuser. I never saw a family love their father more, and I don't think they could love him that much if he was.
19.04.05 @ 10:19:38

onthestreet
Name Said:
Uncle Rulon said,"A man cannot commit adultery with his own wife". If uncle Warren says different he is going against his own father whom he said is still leading the people.
19.04.05 @ 10:17:40

Street's Reply: So does the Bible say the same, and the D&C. So it is true, a man who is blessed with more wives cannot be adulterer by being the husband of those women. He is only an adulterer if he looks upon any of them to lust after them. How so? "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." "That house which is defiled, God shall destroy." You cannot be a defiler of any woman, wife or not, and avoid adultery. Now you know, for the word of God tells it, as I have quoted it, that is if you believe the Word.
19.04.05 @ 15:13:24

Anonymous
Thank you onthestreet:

I'm humbled by your eloquent wisdom. I simply didn't understand before, but now it's so clear--every father and family head is good so long as he obediently comes under the fathership of the prophet. No wonder I screwed up. All this time I've been certain that prophet Warren was only the father of lies. Now I know that's not completely true--He's also the father of liars . . .
19.04.05 @ 17:08:09

stg
Street you have vision that can see down through the depths of the abyss, yet you miss what is so plainly in front of your face. Warren will not come for you, not now, not ever. You see, you are as pure and true to your faith as it is humanly possible. A man such as yourself as no place along side of the likes of Warren. You would see right through his little web of lies, treachery and deceit. His closest followers know the word of the Lord as well as you, but they don't actually believe it. You know your scriptures like the grandest of scholars. But about men and people, the lives they live and the games they play? You flounder in ignorance. You know nothing.

....nope sorry no ticket to Texas for you, nope, no room for the worthy
...sooner or later you're just going to have to face it.
20.04.05 @ 01:30:55

annonomyous
Onthestreet- You better go call the bishop who can call the shrink who will call the doctor in Texas, who will then call warren his boss, who will call the drugist, who can call the nurse and have a prescription made for you of Prozac, the heavenly drug. Tried and tested on Uncle Rulon for five years and on Uncle Fred for three years. It will work wonders on you. You may even have some more of those heavenly dreams.
20.04.05 @ 03:39:13

annon
I thought Warren was in Canada. Jimmy shed some tears about how he had to drive God around in a dirty truck. Get it washed Jimmy! Those girls of yours may not be wanting Brian or Max or Merrill. With what happened to Ernie and Allan in Texas, you should be sleeping with one eye open.
20.04.05 @ 15:15:57

innocent bystander
Onthestreet:
Are you saying that in the event that a woman doesnt concieve, she has been defiled????
ouch..............
20.04.05 @ 17:30:01

onthestreet
In the event that a woman is defiled, she has been defiled.
21.04.05 @ 15:02:18

onthestreet
Stg Said:
Street you have vision that can see down through the depths of the abyss, yet you miss what is so plainly in front of your face. Warren will not come for you, not now, not ever. You see, you are as pure and true to your faith as it is humanly possible. A man such as yourself as no place along side of the likes of Warren. You would see right through his little web of lies, treachery and deceit. His closest followers know the word of the Lord as well as you, but they don't actually believe it. You know your scriptures like the grandest of scholars. But about men and people, the lives they live and the games they play? You flounder in ignorance. You know nothing.

Street's Reply: The abyss IS the face, so I see it all. If he comes not, all is right, for it is not his place to come. It our our place to "come, follow me. . ." Whatever ye say that I am, with all your flattery, that Prophet is ten-times more. His greatness is what really pisses people off, or makes the piss. You're right, compared to him, I founder and know nothing. Well put my friend.
21.04.05 @ 15:08:47

onthestreet
Correction: His greatness is what really pisses people off, or makes them piss. You're right, compared to him, I flounder and know nothing. Well put my friend.
21.04.05 @ 15:08:47
21.04.05 @ 15:27:10

Stinger
fruity, it would seem that by your great teachings, the way you are lusting after warren is very much committing adultery.
REPENT.
21.04.05 @ 16:39:44

onthesteet
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh.
21.04.05 @ 16:46:06

annon
onthestreet: This morning when I woke up I told my wife good bye, she looked so good I thought I can't wait to get home and hold and caress her. Ooops I had a thought that maybe we could even get a little intimate together. Was that an adulturous thought? Maybe it would be for you to think about adultry with your spouse because you have beeen handled and seperated, your spouse will be in the arms of someone else.
21.04.05 @ 16:51:51

Stinger
Can you explain your last comment, fruity? That on kinda slipped by me.
21.04.05 @ 17:51:01

A soul
That just means his heart is full of ..it, also
21.04.05 @ 17:54:03


onthesteet
Annon Said:
onthestreet: This morning when I woke up I told my wife good bye, she looked so good I thought I can't wait to get home and hold and caress her. Ooops I had a thought that maybe we could even get a little intimate together. Was that an adulturous thought? Maybe it would be for you to think about adultry with your spouse because you have beeen handled and seperated, your spouse will be in the arms of someone else.
21.04.05 @ 16:51:51

Street's Reply: Intimate is good, in fact vital, if it is pure. Do nothing that you wouldn't be proud for your prophet, your neighbor, your child, or your God to see. Then you approach to a state of purity.

You err in saying that my spouse will be in the arms of someone else. The Lord waits upon me to be married right. So like Brigham said, "I would that my children would wear out their lives wifeless and childless, to be married right," words to that effect. But yes, pure intimacy is good, even necessary for natural affection, if it is not fallen animal nature, or human nature. All who seek to be exalted will insist only on bahavior condusive to divine nature, and shun all else, for it is the plague, and it is fatal.
21.04.05 @ 18:47:41

onthesteet
Stinger Said:
Can you explain your last comment, fruity? That on kinda slipped by me.
21.04.05 @ 17:51:01

Street's Reply: Sure Strangler. For now on, and as long as you call me fruity, you receive in kind. You call me what I am, possessing fruits, and I call you what you are, strangling souls. Good enough explanation?
21.04.05 @ 18:54:37

LYD
So what your saying is that it's okay for your Prophet and your children to watch what you do with you wife in your bedroom. Wow thats sick. Do prefer video cameras or closet shows?
21.04.05 @ 19:06:17

onthestreet
LYD Said:
So what your saying is that it's okay for your Prophet and your children to watch what you do with you wife in your bedroom. Wow thats sick. Do prefer video cameras or closet shows?
21.04.05 @ 19:06:17

Street's Reply: Nothing to hide. Nothing immoral or criminal is committed. So what you do there is what's really sick. Therefore, you will be committed, and that will be either an asylum, a jail, or pergatory. In your spirit, you are suffering all three, already, you poor soul. So unless you repent, what is left?
21.04.05 @ 19:12:27

Stinger - email
Fruity, you still didn't answer my previous question. That's okay though, a soul explained it quite well. Beware fruity, too many errors and I put you on my list of souls to strangle. Oooooooooooooh, Oooooooooooooooh.
ROFLMAO
21.04.05 @ 19:13:56

onthestreet
The Boston (oops, Bountiful) Strangler. Sounds like a death threat. Pretty desperate, having lost the debate, and some of the family, and even your soul. Is that where you've fallen to?
21.04.05 @ 19:35:51



Stinger - email
It wasn't a threat fruity. Sides, I only said I would strangle your soul, not your life. I didn't know we were in a debate. What are we debating? We already figured out your gender and that you are way off your rocker, what more is there to debate? You aren't a good enough representative of warren to debate any of his teachings, even the true warrenites would deny everything you say.
21.04.05 @ 19:44:36

name
Id say you are the wrong person to talk about someone else having "lost part of the family".
21.04.05 @ 21:10:03

Anonymous
All talk about intimacy between husband and wives being adultery and Warren Jeffs being able to strip wives and children from a man for making love to her is obscene! What kind of twisted, demented creature is this man? Does he or Street expect all conception of children to be done with turkey basters? Or more likely in line with Profit Warren's dangerous, psychotic ego he would expect all women to be inseminated with his frozen sperm? There can't be a Judge in North America who would ever consider giving custody of another man's children to anyone who would follow a Profit who accomplishes such terrifying acts on people???
22.04.05 @ 05:07:55

quiet canadian
Come on Miss onthestreet, are you for real? Or are you purposly aiming ro make Warren look so perverted in the eyes of the world? What perversion to think of a man watching a married couple in their private moments to ensure they are acting holy enough.
22.04.05 @ 09:25:03

A friend - email
Not quite as wise as an owl,
but always a hoot!
22.04.05 @ 12:18:50

onthestreet
Stinger Said:
It wasn't a threat fruity. Sides, I only said I would strangle your soul, not your life. I didn't know we were in a debate. What are we debating? We already figured out your gender and that you are way off your rocker, what more is there to debate? You aren't a good enough representative of warren to debate any of his teachings, even the true warrenites would deny everything you say.
21.04.05 @ 19:44:36

Street's Reply: You confess the truth: You strangle souls, like you said. Another true confession: You don't even know what we're talking about, or the issues at hand, like you said. And as for my not being a good enough representative of Uncle Warren, right again. My, so many truths in one breath!
22.04.05 @ 15:32:12

onthestreet
Name Said:
Id say you are the wrong person to talk about someone else having "lost part of the family".
21.04.05 @ 21:10:03

Street's Reply:
"Whoso loseth his life (of lives) shall find it, and whosoever seeketh his life (or lives), shall lose it."
22.04.05 @ 15:44:16

onthestreet
quiet canadian said:
Come on Miss onthestreet, are you for real? Or are you purposly aiming ro make Warren look so perverted in the eyes of the world? What perversion to think of a man watching a married couple in their private moments to ensure they are acting holy enough.
22.04.05 @ 09:25:03

Street's Reply: So is God 'so perverted' for watching us all, all that we do. He watches, you know, and that prophet is God's representative. Yet, he doesn't have to watch your perversions. The innocent are free, and the guilty are, well, um, just, CAUGHT, defiling their innocent wives and children, and polluting their inheritance, and defying God.
22.04.05 @ 15:48:25

onthestreet
A Friend Said:
Not quite as wise as an owl,
but always a hoot!
22.04.05 @ 12:18:50

Street's Reply: Why thank you, my friend. And sooooo truuuuuu, whoooo, whooooo: An owl, in fact all of the animal kingdom, fulfills the object of their creation, and thus a celestial law.
22.04.05 @ 15:51:28

onthestreet
Anonymous Said:
All talk about intimacy between husband and wives being adultery and Warren Jeffs being able to strip wives and children from a man for making love to her is obscene! What kind of twisted, demented creature is this man? Does he or Street expect all conception of children to be done with turkey basters? Or more likely in line with Profit Warren's dangerous, psychotic ego he would expect all women to be inseminated with his frozen sperm? There can't be a Judge in North America who would ever consider giving custody of another man's children to anyone who would follow a Profit who accomplishes such terrifying acts on people???
22.04.05 @ 05:07:55

Street's Reply: Again, intimacy is very good, very right, and very crucial, if it is pure, and very opposite if it is not. As for 'making love', let God make the love. Otherwise, yes it is very obscene, and in fact criminal, if you mean sexually assaulting your dear wife, or treating her as if she were a dog. What kind of a twisted, demented beast is that, 666? Ah yes, the mark of the beast, sex, sex, sex. As for conception, yes all conception (for a saint, if that is your goal), must be pure, spiritual, non-physical, and accompanied with prayer, knowing that God is present, but only if it is pure. Otherwise, Satan rules your house, and you will pay the price and reap the rewards that accrue from that. Talk about judges and terrifying scenes, they judge the world, and your terror is now upon you, all since 911. Nothing else we can do about that. God judges the world, and to the wicked he is a terrible God. Well, at least you can acknowledge the works of the Prophet as accomplishments, for so they are.
22.04.05 @ 16:14:32

annon
To Street: Are you Warren?
22.04.05 @ 16:44:34

annon
The street isn't warren, the things she says makes warren sound like some kind of insane ass. She is someone who hates him. Maybe she's one of the smart ones that left him.
22.04.05 @ 16:53:02

Anonymous
Just one more statement about the need to pray during the act of conception. Warren could really go into the Turkey Baster business. He could buy the exact amount according the the "chosen seed and children" he believes God wants born by these women -- pray over the Turkey Basters so they are "sanctified" and then sell them to men who meet his "adjustment standards" -- or give them directly to the women. The Turkey Baster thing really works and then none of the men with women following him would have to worry about committing adultery. Warren could make enough money to finish the chandeliers in his temples. One question though. Do you suppose your Uncle Warren would use them himself - or does his chant the YFZ song.
With all of his inspiration and prophecies fulfilled he must know the exact amount of chosen children still to be born so he could remove all doubt by distributing the Turkey Basters -- we wouldn't want anyone to get to close or attached to their husbands or they just might not leave when he decides.
For all your knowledge of scripture and cryptic quotes Street - you have forgotten about the section of the Doctrine and Covenants where Christs says that he came to, "turn the hearts of the children to their fathers and the hearts of the fathers to the children lest the whole world be destroyed." According to that scripture Warren can't be Christ or even a prophet because all he is about is tearing children away from fathers and destroying women's sanity in the process.
22.04.05 @ 19:20:59

Anonymous
Oh I forgot to add that instead of Uncle Warren have sons of Helaman or Heilman then he could have "children of the Holy Turkey Baster" and then the men would realize once and for all that they are all really only donors once they have built his compounds. Oh and Christ made that statement in the New Testament as well.
If Warren's directives for the only way his followers are allowed be intimate and conceive children you have to realize that he is getting his revealation from old episodes of Star Trek about the Borg. What he wants is an entire population of followers whose "prime directive is that they exist and are created for the good of the (Warren's collective) and when they cease to be of value to the collective then they MUST BE ELIMINATED." Warren is an evil man.
22.04.05 @ 19:29:11

onthestreet
Street's Reply (to Anonymous):
"But who is thy father, thy mother, brother, sister?" This is not just rhetoric. It is the question poses by our Redeemer. As for the turning of the hearts, that would be fine if it were the hearts that were turning. But with all the mockery against all that suggests of purity, it is not the hearts that are being aroused, but something far lower than the heart. Thus, your relations with the adopted seed are cut off, for "All that are defiled will be cut off," and destroyed. Thus: "Lest the whole world be destroyed. It requires the purity of the heart, or you are not grafted in as sons or daughters of God. It is not the Prophet cutting people off, it the the Lord Himself. It is His work that is transpiring to your face.

All is done for the Father. Warren is the father of the people. The prophets all gloried in the spoiling of their goods for the excellency of the knowledge of the father.
22.04.05 @ 19:40:38

onthestreet
There is none good but the father.
22.04.05 @ 19:41:29

Stinger - email
Fruity, please go over to the fruitstand and explain to me what we are debating.
22.04.05 @ 20:48:32

anonomyous
You can't even make sense of what Warren is doing. How on earth can anyone defend it? Even with the scriptures they cannot make it fit.
24.04.05 @ 09:28:28

name
thus the reason they are so good at changing scripture to make it fit.
24.04.05 @ 09:36:27

onthestreet
Anon Said:
Is there really people in Kenya. How did they find out about you people? Could we send them an email?
05.04.05 @ 11:05:28

Street's Reply: I'm glad you all have finally found someone to love. The Black man is very colorful, but you is Blackmore that he, no doubt. I've seen their worship and their clothing. Very colorful indeed. Cain would be proud.
18.04.05 @ 18:09:18

Stinger - email
Street, you belong in a mental hospital. These people in Kenya worship the same God as we do. This happens to be the God who said the gospel was for all men, know matter what their colour. And your dog warren can't change the bible so it says any different. Another thing from the bible: The word of God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Oh wait, is warren your dog or your god? Or just a common lot lizard?
18.04.05 @ 19:49:29

anon
The letter to Susie-Jo tugs at the heart-strings. Wishing her and her family the best!
06.04.05 @ 04:12:58

onthestreet
Anon Said:
The letter to Susie-Jo tugs at the heart-strings. Wishing her and her family the best!
06.04.05 @ 04:12:58

Street's Reply: Yes, it is a battle for the hearts. God and Satan both strive for your heart. While Satan is very flattering and oratorical, God is that still small voice. Big, BIG difference, hey.
18.04.05 @ 18:12:57

Stinger - email
Too bad you worship Satan, street.
18.04.05 @ 19:50:28

name
then there are those who have no heart.......no heart, no mind, nothing more than the ability to breathe in a whole bunch of B.S. and breathe out that twisted crap.
19.04.05 @ 19:01:36

annonomyous
Hey Winston! Why don't you guys just smarten up and go down there and get that girl. Those geeks have stolen her away. What kind of a father are you anyway?
20.04.05 @ 03:55:50

wkb
My girl is not a geek. Neither is her husband. I don't suppose that I am the only father in the country that wants his daughter to keep doing what she made a promise to do, that being, to love her husband and that they should be a family forever. I am far more concerned about the girls that just leave their husbands when their fathers say so than I ever am about my girl. May you find enough compassion in your heart that you can understand that Mormonism is all about families that stay together in a common struggle, to live their religion and to give their children the only family thing that really counts. Two good parents. Or maybe three. I guess that is what is wrong with me.
20.04.05 @ 10:35:52

onthestreet
Street's Reply (to wkb):
Well, you've got a heart alright, and some straight thinking. Don't be too concerned about the other girls doing exactly what your girl would do if she had a scoundral of a husband. You know he's a good man, or you wouldn't counsel her to stick with him, forever, and he being united with the other men in a prophet is what makes him good, is it not? The other girls that leave their husbands do so because of some serious weakness that had to be adjusted. You know that, sir, as a former FLDS bishop, and the parable of the wheat and the tares. In any good society, or if you prefer: In any society striving to be good and upright, there always comes a time when the tares have to be sifted. Well put, brother.
21.04.05 @ 15:38:35

Stinger
Wow fruity, I'm impressed. You actually left a post that was a little more on track. You're still a bit messed up, but keep taking you pills like a good girl and maybe there is still hope that one day you will be able to be a part of regular society.
21.04.05 @ 16:08:50

onthesteet
Not with that stinger.
21.04.05 @ 16:36:08

onthestreet
I said that your were dogs, for I was feeling generous. Consider the dog, thou swine. Analyze the canine: Can-Ayin, or can see, as the eyes of God, well enough to obey (Ayin in the Hebrew is the eye).

I would to God ye were as well off as a dog, but Jesus said: "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you (Mt. 7:6). You are the swine, "as a jewel of gold (a form of godliness) in a swine's snout (Prov. 11:22), and the gentile is the dog.

Swine: Chaziyr - To inclose, protect, cure, heal. You were enclosed, protected, cured, and healed, like a washed pig, but now your defenses are gone, and your sores fester unto the end; Cak - Thicked of men, soaked, entwined, a lair of entwined boughs; Choiros - Dry measure (as kindling for the fire), dirty, earthy, soiled, defiled. "That house which is defiled, God will destroy."

What is dog? I care not for them. They can measure themselves, until Israel returns.
21.04.05 @ 19:48:27

Stinger - email
fruity, I think I can speak on behalf of everyone else on this blog when I say WHO REALLY GIVES A FLYING !@#$ WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE FULL OF !@#$. PLEASE AT LEAST KEEP YOUR GARBAGE CONFINED TO ONE SPOT.
21.04.05 @ 20:02:47

onthestreet
Truth is everywhere. It cannot be confined. You're true to form, trying to pig-eon hole people into one spot, like you do your wives.
22.04.05 @ 16:23:53

onthestreet
By the way, why did you delete an entire category, the Uncle Fred category that followed Phil Thornton. What do you find so offensive about Uncle Fred, so much so that you didn't even want his name mentioned, for the good memory of all.
22.04.05 @ 16:25:42

onthestreet
FLDS named to 'Hate Group' list by Southern Poverty Law Center

The Southern Poverty Law Center will name the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to its “Hate Groups List†when it publishes its quarterly Intelligence Report on May 1st. The list contains hundreds of groups ranging from the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nation, to the Nation of Islam, many of them located here in Texas, some as nearby as San Angelo.

STREET'S REPLY: "These six things doth the Lord HATE, yey seven are an abomination in his sight. . .
Then what your Lord describes covers nearly the whole human race. So is God a RACIST? Is God guilty. God forbid. He merely states that he hates evil, and all have sinned. He also says that he "does not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance," and "few there be that find eternal life." So if there is one church upon the earth that follows the word of God and this strick order of things, who is guilty and who is not? You just as well put GOD on your list, and see if you can snuff him out of eternity. See where that will get you. The black man is a brother, and a good one at that, according to many things that I heard directly from the Prophet Warren Jeffs myself. The black brother's day to receive the gospel will come, just in God's own due time and way. As for the evil in that race, again all have sinned. But just because they sin doesn't mean we have to ignore it or take it into our society or our church, and wallow in it like the gentile dog that Christ tells you about. We speak against these things, as well all societies on the earth should do, not against individuals or races, but against immoral and degrading practices. Nothing exalts and gladdens women and children more than to be free from worldly things and influences, and be free to worhip God day and night, not just on the garden-variety Christian Sunday.

The name of the Southern Poverty Law Center says alot: "Poverty Law," or laws that are so impoverished and degrading that no society is benefited by some of them.
22.04.05 @ 20:33:33

Stinger - email
Well, well, nice of you to stop by your fruitstand, fuity. So... how are you today? I hope all is well for you.
22.04.05 @ 20:55:51

anon
If Street thinks that intercourse not watched by father warren is adultrerous, he is definately not a woman. eeeeewwww
23.04.05 @ 07:07:18

onthestreet
Oh, I just stopped by for a breakfast morsel.
23.04.05 @ 14:35:07

Anonymous
I see the fruit fly is back . . .
23.04.05 @ 15:04:51

Anon
To Onthestreet,
What are you views on blood atonement?
23.04.05 @ 18:17:23

rayj
the only way to argue with someone is to lower yourself to his or her level.
23.04.05 @ 23:24:17

Idontthinkso
onthestreet could you please provide us with one of the sermon tapes that warren said the black man is a brother and a good one. it would help to put that up on the audioblog and let warren tell the world that he does in fact love the blacks. maybe he was just talking about the family last name of "Black" that he has in his society. i imagine that he gets quite alot of donations from blacks.
24.04.05 @ 09:18:47

Stinger - email
From what I have noticed, warren doesn't like the "Blacks" any more than he does the blacks.
24.04.05 @ 13:19:02

onthestreet
Anon Said:
To Onthestreet,
What are you views on blood atonement?
23.04.05 @ 18:17:23

Street's Reply: Ah yes, blood atonements? Our Redeemer did a perfect job at it, didn't he. I'd say you all need that, if you're ever going to rise again. However, if you reject the least of these (and all consider WSJ the least), then "You do it unto me," saith the Lord.

Yikes. Then what? Well, then you must atone for your own sins, if you reject him, you see. The one Mighty and Strong, and the Lord God Almighty, both have a work to do among their creatures, and I know you're just dying to see it.
24.04.05 @ 13:47:16
onthestreet
Rayj Said:
the only way to argue with someone is to lower yourself to his or her level.
23.04.05 @ 23:24:17

Street's Reply: Righto, Rayo. God has to, or we'll misunderstand him and seek his life. He lowers himself to the capacity of his children, so simple that a child can understand it. But it they are rebellious children, then like any rebel they have to be cast out by the King.
24.04.05 @ 13:53:20

onthestreet
Idontthinkso Said:
onthestreet could you please provide us with one of the sermon tapes that warren said the black man is a brother and a good one. it would help to put that up on the audioblog and let warren tell the world that he does in fact love the blacks. maybe he was just talking about the family last name of "Black" that he has in his society. i imagine that he gets quite alot of donations from blacks.
24.04.05 @ 09:18:47

Street's Reply: Yes I can, if you wouldn't do like the media dog does, and obtain only on pretext to tear everything apart like dogs do. So I'll avoid your trap. However, all who know him, know and have heard him say that God loves his children, all his children, so much so as to send his Only Begotten of the flesh to die for them. So, if the black race are his children, then he is our brother, and if all that God created was good, then he is good, and the Prophet has said so many times.

When people are all stressed and gnash their teeth against someone, they're blind to everything he says and does that's good, and only focus on the results of their own crimes, the reasons for their being rejected. However, when you repent, then you have hope again, and smiles, and joy in this life and the life hereafter. You can't put the blame for your own crimes on someone else.
24.04.05 @ 14:03:13

onthestreet
Laura Said:
i think the bountiful people should realize that their "religious" freedom does not excuse the fact that polygamy is illegal in canada...you people are breaking the law
23.04.05 @ 00:40:00

Street's Reply: In the meridian of time, much of what Christ did was illegal in Israel. His people were breaking the law, and specifically with all those women around him. I don't care if this does defend WB and his people. Which is right, the ways of man, or the Way of the Lord? You all have to choose, indeed you have chosen, and now you are going to pay the price. The Lord has to clean up the land, wipe it clean, and that's that.
23.04.05 @ 14:28:59

laura
quiet canadian
Yes Laura there are many stagnant laws on the criminal code that intercede the charter. 1 law against prostitution 2. law against sodomy 3. It is illegal to buy alcohol for a minor, but has anyone ever been charged? Several laws have been altered to satisfy different cultures. why should we be treated any different?

if you choose to live in canada...you must obey the law of the land...its that simple...i can honestly say i have never broken the law and never will ...the community of bountiful cannot say the same
23.04.05 @ 14:57:48

Anonymous
To onthestreet:

When the Lord cleans up the land, will he eliminate the fruit flies as well?
23.04.05 @ 15:07:26

onthestreet
Laura Said: If you choose to live in canada...you must obey the law of the land...its that simple...i can honestly say i have never broken the law and never will ...the community of bountiful cannot say the same
23.04.05 @ 14:57:48

Street's Reply: Right on. If Christ chooses to live among us, he must obey the law of the land. It's that simple. So they cry crucify. So do you cast your fate with the Jews, and will to suffer as they have. Your choice.

But wait! Your Lord broke their law, and they killed him. But did they? History shows what happened. They slew themselves, and He lives. Your choice.

As for your boast of never breaking a law, you call your Lord a liar, and that breaks the law, and if you break one you break them all. How so. "For ALL have sinned," says the Lord. You are saying that your Redeemer is lying, and that you are perfect, even more so than the Son of God, for he broke the law, and you are perfect, hey?
23.04.05 @ 15:08:23

onthestreet
Anonymous Said:
To onthestreet:

When the Lord cleans up the land, will he eliminate the fruit flies as well?
23.04.05 @ 15:07:26

Street's Reply: They are part of his army.
23.04.05 @ 15:21:24

onthestreet
admin Said:
The fruit flies are all over I would have to delete everything. I did remove some of the trash and the one thread.
22.04.05 @ 22:51:27

Street's Reply: It is what the gentiles did to the Bible, and the Jews to the law, and the leviathan to a firefly such as I. They just couldn't stand it anymore, so they deleted it.
23.04.05 @ 15:44:49

onthestreet
That's okay. There is a record kept, and what needed to be said was said, and if the Lord is in it, you will know.
23.04.05 @ 15:46:57

Stinger - email
Ah fruity, you are sooooo funny. ROFLOL
23.04.05 @ 17:50:59

Anon
You know Fruity, What you say sure doesn't make sence but it does liven up the blog.
If you realy are one of Warrens followers That religion has changed even since I was there. I must say some of the things you say make me sick.
23.04.05 @ 18:15:13



A friend - email
Laura
Polygamy is not new. It began thousands of years ago. Many Patriarchs of The Old Testament had plural wives--Abraham,Isaac, Jacob etc.
It's a good thing you couldn't convince them they were breaking the law or perhaps I wouldn't be here today--maybe you wouldn't be either.
People through out the history of our belief have been murdered, harassed, beaten, imprisoned etc. because people l don't want us to have a choice or a voice. But we all must do what we know is right, knowing that our God will be the final judge.
23.04.05 @ 20:22:56

laura
"Polygamy is not new. It began thousands of years ago. Many Patriarchs of The Old Testament had plural wives--Abraham,Isaac, Jacob etc.'

what the patriarchs in the old testament might have done thousands of years ago has nothing to do with the laws of the land we live in now
24.04.05 @ 11:25:24

A friend - email
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms states,"Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: a) freedom of conscience and religion; b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression"................. I am appalled by the prejudices that I so often see and hear concerning my sacred beliefs and my carefully and prayerfully chosen way of life, by those who would dictate to me what I can and cannot believe; that I might fit into their belief system and perception of right and wrong. I love truth! This is true; This is good and sweet and right when lived as God intended. Anyone can tear any religion appart if that is their intention. Their is good all around us and we can find it if we want it or there is evil everywhere if that is what we look for. It is up to each and everyone of individually to find our place in life and in the end to face the maker of all laws-as He will be the final judge!
24.04.05 @ 13:39:54

onthestreet
Anon Said:
You know Fruity, What you say sure doesn't make sence but it does liven up the blog.
If you realy are one of Warrens followers That religion has changed even since I was there. I must say some of the things you say make me sick.
23.04.05 @ 18:15:13

Ah, to liven up is to make alive and to live. You do well to acknowledge life.
24.04.05 @ 14:27:52

onthesteet
Summit? "Then shall ye know that I am the Lord, when their slain men shall be among their idols round about their altars, upon every high hill. . . So will I stretch out my hand upon them, and make the land desolate. . . in all their habitations, and they shall know that I am the Lord." (Ezek. 6:13).
21.04.05 @ 18:38:56

onthestreet
So you have aims on the UEP. What will you end up with, having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof? You end up with something even more elusive than your Canadian lottery , and why? Because, like the lottery, your UEP will be controlled by the powers that be, by politics, and by the adversary of your souls taking the hindmost. Thus you are hindered.

"The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net that is cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it is full, they drew ashore (YFZ), and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away." (Mt.13:47)

"What is the high place whereunto ye go? Thus saith the Lord God, are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers, and committ ye whoredom after their abominations? For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day. . . I will not be inquired of by you." (Exek. 20: 29)
21.04.05 @ 19:31:39

Stinger - email
What the !@#$ are you talkin' about? I started you your own thread, fruity, please go there to do all your rambling.
21.04.05 @ 20:11:44

howdy
onthestreet. How is the weather in Phoenix? What is the library like? Big brother is watching you and you are a bad child. Uncle Warren has commanded everyone to not be on the evil internet. Naughty, naughty. Round up a couple of thousand and send it on in with another confession letter, then sign up under another name and location and no one will know.
22.04.05 @ 23:23:12

LBC
Street was already kicked off of the aimoo chat forum. So he started one of his own, guess he didn't get much activity so he's struck here.
23.04.05 @ 06:18:31

onthestreet
Street's Reply: Right, I was not welcomed among liars and thieves, so I wasn't on their internet. So then, I'm not such a bad boy, because I'm off their net, and out of their net as well, free as a bird.

As for what the Prophet commands me, I haven't heard that yet. I haven't had access, but the Lord perhaps has a work to do. Rounding up a couple thousand would be stingy indeed. A couple b trillion is what he should have, and a widow's might. As for him not knowing, you know nothing about that. The spirit searcheth all things.
23.04.05 @ 15:16:33

name
I think "street" has had a little too much of the magic weed. He sure seems messed up in the head.
23.04.05 @ 21:54:07

GBNF
How's Warren's man on the street today?
Find any good sheep to keep you warm last night? And is it a boy sheep or a girl sheep that you lust for?
21.04.05 @ 21:06:40
Stinger - email
Can't pull the wool down over ol' fruity's eyes, he already did it.
22.04.05 @ 09:34:58
onthestreet
FLDS named to 'Hate Group' list by Southern Poverty Law Center

The Southern Poverty Law Center will name the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to its “Hate Groups List†when it publishes its quarterly Intelligence Report on May 1st. The list contains hundreds of groups ranging from the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nation, to the Nation of Islam, many of them located here in Texas, some as nearby as San Angelo.

STREET'S REPLY: "These six things doth the Lord HATE, yey seven are an abomination in his sight. . .
Then what your Lord describes covers nearly the whole human race. So is God a RACIST? Is God guilty. God forbid. He merely states that he hates evil, and all have sinned. He also says that he "does not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance," and "few there be that find eternal life." So if there is one church upon the earth that follows the word of God and this strick order of things, who is guilty and who is not? You just as well put GOD on your list, and see if you can snuff him out of eternity. See where that will get you. The black man is a brother, and a good one at that, according to many things that I heard directly from the Prophet Warren Jeffs myself. The black brother's day to receive the gospel will come, just in God's own due time and way. As for the evil in that race, again all have sinned. But just because they sin doesn't mean we have to ignore it or take it into our society or our church, and wallow in it like the gentile dog that Christ tells you about. We speak against these things, as well all societies on the earth should do, not against individuals or races, but against immoral and degrading practices. Nothing exalts and gladdens women and children more than to be free from worldly things and influences, and be free to worhip God day and night, not just on the garden-variety Christian Sunday.

The name of the Southern Poverty Law Center says alot: "Poverty Law," or laws that are so impoverished and degrading that no society is benefited by some of them.
22.04.05 @ 20:33:33
Stinger - email
Well, well, nice of you to stop by your fruitstand, fuity. So... how are you today? I hope all is well for you.
22.04.05 @ 20:55:51
anon
If Street thinks that intercourse not watched by father warren is adultrerous, he is definately not a woman. eeeeewwww
23.04.05 @ 07:07:18
onthestreet
Oh, I just stopped by for a breakfast morsel.
23.04.05 @ 14:35:07
Anonymous
I see the fruit fly is back . . .
23.04.05 @ 15:04:51
Anon
To Onthestreet,
What are you views on blood atonement?
23.04.05 @ 18:17:23
rayj
the only way to argue with someone is to lower yourself to his or her level.
23.04.05 @ 23:24:17
Idontthinkso
onthestreet could you please provide us with one of the sermon tapes that warren said the black man is a brother and a good one. it would help to put that up on the audioblog and let warren tell the world that he does in fact love the blacks. maybe he was just talking about the family last name of "Black" that he has in his society. i imagine that he gets quite alot of donations from blacks.
24.04.05 @ 09:18:47
Stinger - email
From what I have noticed, warren doesn't like the "Blacks" any more than he does the blacks.
24.04.05 @ 13:19:02
onthestreet
Anon Said:
To Onthestreet,
What are you views on blood atonement?
23.04.05 @ 18:17:23

Street's Reply: Ah yes, blood atonements? Our Redeemer did a perfect job at it, didn't he. I'd say you all need that, if you're ever going to rise again. However, if you reject the least of these (and all consider WSJ the least), then "You do it unto me," saith the Lord.

Yikes. Then what? Well, then you must atone for your own sins, if you reject him, you see. The one Mighty and Strong, and the Lord God Almighty, both have a work to do among their creatures, and I know you're just dying to see it.
24.04.05 @ 13:47:16
onthestreet
Rayj Said:
the only way to argue with someone is to lower yourself to his or her level.
23.04.05 @ 23:24:17

Street's Reply: Righto, Rayo. God has to, or we'll misunderstand him and seek his life. He lowers himself to the capacity of his children, so simple that a child can understand it. But it they are rebellious children, then like any rebel they have to be cast out by the King.
24.04.05 @ 13:53:20
onthestreet
Idontthinkso Said:
onthestreet could you please provide us with one of the sermon tapes that warren said the black man is a brother and a good one. it would help to put that up on the audioblog and let warren tell the world that he does in fact love the blacks. maybe he was just talking about the family last name of "Black" that he has in his society. i imagine that he gets quite alot of donations from blacks.
24.04.05 @ 09:18:47

Street's Reply: Yes I can, if you wouldn't do like the media dog does, and obtain only on pretext to tear everything apart like dogs do. So I'll avoid your trap. However, all who know him, know and have heard him say that God loves his children, all his children, so much so as to send his Only Begotten of the flesh to die for them. So, if the black race are his children, then he is our brother, and if all that God created was good, then he is good, and the Prophet has said so many times.

When people are all stressed and gnash their teeth against someone, they're blind to everything he says and does that's good, and only focus on the results of their own crimes, the reasons for their being rejected. However, when you repent, then you have hope again, and smiles, and joy in this life and the life hereafter. You can't put the blame for your own crimes on someone else.
24.04.05 @ 14:03:13
onthestreet
Anon Said:
You know Fruity, What you say sure doesn't make sence but it does liven up the blog.
If you realy are one of Warrens followers That religion has changed even since I was there. I must say some of the things you say make me sick.
23.04.05 @ 18:15:13

Ah, to liven up is to make alive and to live. You do well to acknowledge life.
24.04.05 @ 14:27:52
onthestreet
m-r - said:
I would like to add a comment from a woman who was sealed to a good man and wants to honor her covenants. Is there no woman from Warrenâ€ââ€Â¢s side questioning why she should bare her ass to some other man when she knows darn good and well the one she made covenants with has not broken them in eyes of God?

Street's Reply: You just broke them, if that's what you're doing, baring yourself to someone, for "That house that is defiled, God will destroy." Then there is no seal, for you break the seal.
24.04.05 @ 16:08:33
24.04.05 @ 16:09:24




Anonymous
Why do you people reply to "streets" rantings. Can't you see that she is just playing you. Just ignore her and maybe she will go away.
25.04.05 @ 15:18:48



just a girl - email
HEY "ONTHE STreeT"... i just wanted to know if you are on the street cuz you broke your covenants or you are just to stupid to be a part of anything that believes in God....I am a girl that was probaly raised the same way as you and i am married but not in WARRENS messed up religion.although yes I do believe in God.... I am just wondering who you are and who hit you so hard over the head?
25.04.05 @ 19:09:57



whoever - email
who are you,just a girl. please tell me
25.04.05 @ 19:50:49



onthestreet
onthestreet
Strong Woman Said....Warren Jeffs, by all accounts and purposes, is a bad man.

Street's Reply: So was Jesus Christ, by all accounts and purposes, a bad man, to the extend that he had no honor with his own people, and the entire empire was against him, and even his own disciples turned against him.

So, is popularity an intelligible measuring rod of a man and his true character. Quite the opposite. If "My people SHALL suffer persecution," then a man's unpopularity may be a true measuring rod of his goodness and his greatness. Your Redeemer was certainly great, and nobody stood for him, except to watch him die.
25.04.05 @ 20:41:10



onthestreet
Laura Said: what the patriarchs in the old testament might have done thousands of years ago has nothing to do with the laws of the land we live in now
24.04.05 @ 11:25:24

Street's Reply. The Ancient Partriarchs were the fathers of the faithful, archangels, and the gospel of Christ is eternal. He and it never changes. So what they did thousands of years ago has EVERYTHING to do with what we do today. I'll grant you, it has nothing to do with the laws of the land, for they are the laws of sinners, for sinners, and nothing but sinners. God's law is infinately higher.
25.04.05 @ 20:48:09



laura - email
on the street:: you say the gospel of christ is eternal and never changing.

where in the bible does christ advocate plural marriage? if the gospel is in fact ever lasting, how did the principle of plural marriage come into the game? wouldn't you consider that a major amendment to an unchangeable gospel?

did christ teach plural marriage? i know the 1 billion catholics world wide do not advocate plural marriage...the protestant church i was raied in doesn't either...in fact we are commanded to have only one spouse.

perhaps these great institutions are therefore sinners and i guess i am a sinner too

it's funny that the new pope fails to recognize the "new and everlasting covenant of marriage".the archibishop of canterbury has also failed to recognize it either..what do theyknow anyhow...its not like the catholic or anglican churches are as learned as your true prophet warren jeffs
25.04.05 @ 21:28:02



strong woman
On the street, no popularity is not an intelligible measuring rod of a man and his true character......I do think there are some basic differences. I doubt Jesus would have had Federal indictments against him. But that is just the start of the differences. I am sure many others could add to this.
26.04.05 @ 07:33:16



onthestreet
Street's Reply: Okay, let's start with "the start of the differences:" No federal indictments? Your Lord had just that. That is what crucified him, the federal indictment. The priests of his own people turned on him, and got a federal indictment, and the federal government or federated empire carried it out.
26.04.05 @ 11:43:34



onthestreet
Street's Reply to Laura: Your Lord says it himself: "I am everlasted and change not. Then in Jerusalem, he had all those women around him. No, he wasn't preaching it (plural marriage), because it is holy and not for the world. He was just living it, all those fine women fondling him and taking such intimate care of him, like faithful wives do.

No, the Catholics, the Protestants, say nothing of these truths, because of their lack of truth.

Now, did Christ teach it? We can see that he lived it. Now, how about him saying anything about it: "To some a hundred, to some fifty, et\c
26.04.05 @ 11:48:47



onthestreet
Many of his teachings, as you know, were in parable. So the world sees through a glass darkly, and can hardly discipher what it all means, until they come to a prophet, a spark of light that the trinity has left for a dark people,
"and what ye do unto the least of these, ye do it unto me."
26.04.05 @ 11:54:42
26.04.05 @ 12:10:39



onthestreet
onthestreet
Name Said:
so, according to your logic, the person "baring themselves" ,(the woman), has broken thier covenents/been defiled, right? Then tell me why the men are the ones losing thier families, and cast out?
24.04.05 @ 16:43:34

Street's Reply: Exactly! There you have it. My point exactly. Men baring themselves defile themselves, unless they repent. If women do the same, then they too are defiled, for God is no respecter of persons. Good job. That's what I call straight thinking on your part.
25.04.05 @ 20:52:04



onthestreet
Quiet Canadian: The prophet is over the bishop. You know the order, or should know the Order of God. The prophet has every right over everyone else in the church, as Christ had every right over every Jew (and Gentile), though they begged to differ and cast him out and crucified him. But he rose again as judge supreme, and they ceased to exist as a nation, both Israel and the empire of Rome.
25.04.05 @ 20:55:19



me
The relationship between a husband and wife is just that... BETWEEN THE HUSBAND AND WIFE!!! It is no one else's business. period.
26.04.05 @ 11:35:49



onthestreet
Street's Reply (to 'Me'):
The relationship between a husband and a wife if a relationship with God and with his representatives, if your marriage is of God. For God has the right to determine and to oversee the nature and progress or degradation of the seed, he being the creator of all. When you get off on your own, 'independent' of God or his prophets, then YOU ARE JUST THAT:
On your own.
26.04.05 @ 12:01:01



onthestreet
Thus the title of this thread: "Split Families"
26.04.05 @ 12:05:54
26.04.05 @ 12:15:22

strong woman
Uh, yeah, but at least Jesus wasn't afraid to go out in public. Warren Jeffs, where is he???????
26.04.05 @ 12:09:23

onthestreet
"And they sought Jesus' life, and he hid himself, and went through Galillee. . ."
26.04.05 @ 13:17:15


A soul
onthestreet: how does one become a prophet? If two of his mothers claimed to have thought they heard father say so; does that make it so? Also, If as you claim, The Prophet only takes the families from immoral men, who have molested their wives and children, and you claim that you have been adjusted as such, then is not your heart black and vile? It would seem that it is you who's eyes are blinded, who's mind has become as dark as midnight at noon day. But keep fumbling around, You're quite entertaining.
26.04.05 @ 17:58:39



GBNF
Street Fruit,
Is there a way that you can go see the-rapist Warren Jeffs, and beg him to let you come home? I had a dream last night, I had a dream that Warren took you into his arms.....
Then I read the blogs tonight and it was not so. I guess dreams may not be prophecy. Too bad, makes it hard to believe.
26.04.05 @ 20:54:34



onthestreet
Street's Reply: One becomes a prophet by the spirit of prophecy. However, one becomes the keyholder of Priesthood by regular succession, being designated by the Lord through the preceding prophet. This is how one does so and so.

As for my black heart, yes, I am a sinner. This is why he adjusted me. No, he did not take may family. Worse: He refused to give me one. So many have been far more blessed. Yet, now I am far more blessed to feel and to know his love. He was right, I was wrong. Now, that is a confession of sins, as commanded by the Lord. Can you do the same? However, I confess to him who has the right to receive, not to you. Yet, if you benefit from it, all is well.

I was blind, and he gave me sight. I was as midnight, and he gave me light.
26.04.05 @ 20:54:44

onthestreet
As for dark dreams, yes many remain in darkness.
26.04.05 @ 20:55:51
PAGE 41 of the Canadian Blog Concludes (“And fire proceeds from their mouths, and all who would hurt them
must be killed by the fire):

onthestreet said...

Sharethelight CA (Disk 2)

Mac »New Blog
The blog is back. Please don’t get too carried away and ugly or wierd.

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May 8th, 2005 at 2:10 pm
so what is there that we can say

knockout Says:
May 8th, 2005 at 5:27 pm
Happy Mother’s Day. The enemy transfers his powers to the child the moment he administers the wound. The ultimate spy or witness is the clarity and truth of a child, and a little child shall lead them. Adam, Noah, Abrahom, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, all polygamists, built altars, even large families, in the wilderness. “Families” permuted is to “Seal em off.” These were houses that they build unto the Lord (temples). It was nothing simple or insignificant, like just a pile of rocks. Then came Christ to the temple. “Temple” permuted: “It is help-meet.” Then came Yoseph unto Varren, all who build altars or temples in the wilderness, as the mothers of the earth, or brides for the bridegroom. Who is my mother and my brethren? (Mt. 12:48). Though we be an ocean apart, it’s like my bonnie lies over the ocean. There’s ya something to chew on.


Anonymous Says:
May 8th, 2005 at 8:42 pm
It is a good mothers day, and the more mothers the better. Good on ya mothers keep up the good work.


Stinger Says:
May 9th, 2005 at 2:57 pm
Hello again everybody. Looks like your doin’ about the same as always fruity/knockout/onthestreet.
Hey Joe, are you over in Vancouver or somethin?

jhb Says:
May 9th, 2005 at 3:21 pm
ya i am over here getting treatment for my fingers, it is going pretty good

jhb Says:
May 9th, 2005 at 3:27 pm
Stinger how did you know who knockout was so fast?

Stinger Says:
May 9th, 2005 at 4:57 pm
I saw knockout over on the texas blob. On his/her profile she/it has listed as it/his blogs one called stimskey.
Those pictures of the docks look pretty cool. What’s the weather like over there today? Rained pretty hard over here yesterday. Overcast with a little rain today. How long will you be in Vancouver?
Have a good time.

jhb Says:
May 9th, 2005 at 5:31 pm
It is windy and overcast but not raining. I will be out here at least two more weeks. Your right about knockout the IP address is the same as the one that streety had from down in the sunny south.

Stinger Says:
May 9th, 2005 at 5:45 pm
What are they doing to your hand?

stimskey Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 1:51 pm
Hopefully they’re not using it to spank you with. I think you’ve been a better boy than that, haven’t you. Glad it’s going good with you.

onthestreet Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 1:52 pm
Yah, same same.


Stinger Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:05 pm
It’s actually a seperate category that is called Mac. It’s in referance to one of the fellas who is now a warrenite. He was recently taken to the hospital with a very life threatening illness but because the warrenites won’t talk to us not much info about his condition has been given.

onthestreet Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:18 pm
Mac’s in very good hands.


jhb Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:20 pm
Ah yes very good hands. We are all in the Lords hands until we choose another master.

onthestreet Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:22 pm
Well, when you spank so hard you lose your fingers, that’s a pretty hard spankun. So did they save all three? Which hand was it? You didn’t git that from typen on the puter, did jah? That’s some pretty hard jammen.


Stinger Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:23 pm
Hey JHB,
Great foresight on your part with the whole finger thing. We ran out of trees so we ran all them 14 foot house logs down to 7-8’s. I fed them all yesterday. You really missed out.

jhb Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:25 pm
I am glad to hear that, but the finger thing was not planned I too like to think I am in good hands.

onthestreet Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:31 pm
There you go, half-pint. You’re in good hands with All State.

onthestreet said...

Stop Polygabuse Aimoo (Disk 2)


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Anyone mind telling me who this guy is?
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Holy Crap!!!! And a lot of it. I had almost forgotten about the technique of digging up the meaning of word and twisting them into something meaningful. I'm sorry I missed this . . . . .
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Forumreader said:"Street's challenges are really interesting reading against the backdrop of what everyone's been saying here, very intelligent and academic. His posts are also very organized and readable, truly fun reading. I'll bet he's some professor in a university somewhere. He sure makes alot of sense out of what has apparently been senseless chatter, when you compare the two. Let's bring him back, for crying out loud."----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yea! I vote we have another beer.
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Hmmmm, beer is more of a summer drink for me. I'll just go with Coke and Rum, after all, I dont want to be left out.
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Hmmmm, beer is more of a summer drink for me. I'll just go with Coke and Rum, after all, I dont want to be left out.
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Dial up Jim Beam and Coke for me.
Cactus Jim, you've got to let "on the street" back on. I'm almost in tears, thinking that I might have missed this. How can you claim to have objective board when you deny exposure of the very thing you are trying to handle? This spirit is the source of what you are trying to crush. Denying it expression is simply forcing it go somewhere else. I thought you guys were into the "handling" this situation.

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What's obvious is that you are "on the street" under a different name and that you are the same obnoxious fool you always were. It amazes me that you would have the gall to come here under a different name, then talk about how great you were as a poster. You have a far higher opinion of yourself than anyone else has of you.
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I'm new to this. Who is this guy?
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I'm new to this. Who is this guy?
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Beats me, but if he had another brain, it would be lonely.
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Reply to: JH101palb said: Once again I add my testomonie. I know Warren Jeffs is a prophet. I know he has healed me. I know he has spoken truth.I know he is my savior.He is my LOrd.He is my light.He is my way. He has offered me world's on end. He has offered me eternal Life. I am his girl. I am his servant. I am his humble human servant. He is my light. He is my hope. He is my Joy. I know he will continue to heal, and protect me. I add my voice, up unto the God of the Heaven's, to fulfil his word's. I am tired of lier's. I am tired of abuser's. I am tired of law's that uphold abortion's and plunder the honest in heart. What more gloriouse thing could I hope and pray for, freedom, from opression. The right to live as my consience dictates. and if I m
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Oh my God!! I am too late. I have missed out on all the fun.
Laude, if this is the kind of crap you are trying stop, paint me on your side.
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Reply to : Challen (won't call you Lord):

Hey man, I like what you said: "Even if my dad was a complete control freak, or crack job, I still act as if I am the son of a prophet and I have a rep to protect. Whatever my dad really was, I knew what he wanted me to be like and I personally would be honored to be that kind of a person for him. Granted, the Hammon boys tend to be controlling . . . . but there is an interesting story behind that."

You sure do, John. I know Jed and Lloyd and Norm. I knew Uncle Marion (your Dad). I always admired them all. They have greatness in them, and you sure do (have a rep to protect).
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Reply to : Challen (won't call you Lord):Hey man, I like what you said: "Even if my dad was a complete control freak, or crack job, I still act as if I am the son of a prophet and I have a rep to protect. Whatever my dad really was, I knew what he wanted me to be like and I personally would be honored to be that kind of a person for him. Granted, the Hammon boys tend to be controlling . . . . but there is aninteresting story behind that."You sure do, John. I know Jed and Lloyd and Norm. I knew Uncle Marion (your Dad). I always admired them all. They have greatness in them, and you sure do (have a rep to protect).
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You could mark a little of it down to being isolated fom 'real life' too. "raised as a calf in a stall"

5/5/2005 9:09 PM


knockout said...
Admin: So how does one donate to this blog? And how do we start new threads here? The most recent thread by you is misleading. It only starts a new blog, not a thread within the Texas Polygamy blog?

More now to the topic of this thread (Warren and the FLDS):
You want 'Christian?" What did Christ say? Sorry to be quoting scripture here. I know ALOT of you 'Christians' now hate scripture. So out of respect for your choice, I'll keep it brief:

But that violent man (the one who knocked over the trade-show booths in the Jerualem Temple), said this: "Think not that I came to bring peace on the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's enemies will be those of his own household." Mt. 10:34

That would be an end-quote, from Jesus Christ. Very FLDS like, no?
So are they really evil? Was Christ evil?

5/6/2005 7:23 PM


ATAR_i said...
First Warren is not God.

Second Christ was 'throwing out' those who were profiting from his people in his fathers house. Matthew 21:13 "And he said unto them, It is written,"My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

Thirdly, regarding Matthew 10:34 Jewish understanding was that the messianic era would be preceded by a time of disharmony in family and social relationships. By these sayings, Jesus was announcing the messianic age and his own messiahship.

In fact, Jesus was quoting from the Jewish prophet Micah who spoke of the messianic age in these terms (see Micah 7: 5-6
5/7/2005 9:56 AM


Confused Cowboy said...
To KO
The administrator's instructions aren't misleading. That's exactly the way I start a new thread. Did you get confused when you spent all that time on the street?
5/7/2005 10:33 AM


Native Texan said...
Knockout,

Your 7:23 post was duplicated by you on another thread ("Christians?").
Was that intentional? If so, what are you trying to get across?
5/7/2005 10:19 PM


rayj said...
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
do unto others as you would have others do unto you?
Dear to the Heart of the Shepheard?

"Come unto me all ye ends of the earth, buy milk and honey without money and without price"?
What did Jesus mean anyway?
5/7/2005 11:25 PM


ATAR_i said...
(Rayj AKA OnTheStreet AKA Knockout) asks What did Jesus mean anyway?

Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Jesus says, that is how you must love your neighbor. His concerns are to be your concerns. His burdens are to be your burdens. His problems are to be your problems. His joys are to be your joys. And his needs are to be your needs--your needs to meet. In short, your neighbor's happiness and welfare are to be the object of your ambition.

do unto others as you would have others do unto you?
"Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you give will be the measure you get back." (Luke 6:36-38 RSV)

Dear to the Heart of the Shepheard?
An LDS Hymn
"Come unto me all ye ends of the earth, buy milk and honey without money and without price"?
Not in the Bible
5/7/2005 11:44 PM


x-plig said...
I don't think rayj is street. Knockout is street.
5/8/2005 12:37 PM


Native Texan said...
Perhaps, but I agree with atar_i.
There are some striking similarities between the three...
Administrator, for the benefit of all of us blogging, perhaps you could give us some helpful hints on "blogging etiquette" to eliminate any more confusion. This might also keep this blog out of jeopardy.
5/8/2005 2:07 PM


rayj said...
sorry for not making myself clear, my last post was for knockout; and it sure is good to see there are many others who know it means a lot to just be kind. No I am not those who you thought, they are everything I never want to be. I don't read all the bloggs, so don't be offended, as for "etiquette" I'll be more careful. I'll try not to be offended too, life is too short for that. the last quote is from the Book of Mormon 2nd Nephi 26
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ATAR_i said...
OK I get it - my bad.
5/8/2005 4:37 PM
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Happy Mother's Day. The enemy transfers his powers to the child the moment he administers the wound. The ultimate spy or witness is the clarity and truth of a child, and a little child shall lead them. Adam, Noah, Abrahom, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, all polygamists, built altars, even large families, in the wilderness. "Families" permuted is to "Seal em off." These were houses that they build unto the Lord (temples). It was nothing simple or insignificant, like just a pile of rocks. Then came Christ to the temple. "Temple" permuted: "It is help-meet." Then came Yoseph unto Varren, all who build altars or temples in the wilderness, as the mothers of the earth, or brides for the bridegroom. Who is my mother and my brethren? (Mt. 12:48). Though we be an ocean apart, it's like my bonnie lies over the ocean.

There's ya something to chew on.
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Curious: Immaculate conception is the idea that Jesus was not born of man. His mother, Mary, was pregnant without having intercourse. Thus, conceived through a devine miracle.
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So, don't you consider yourselves immaculately conceived? Such are the saints, immaculate.
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mloribee2 Said: Tammy, I do think that your motivation is narrow, you think the only solution, along with Laude, to the CC situation is to get rid of polygamy. The theory of plural marrage is good...
Butterfly

Curious Response: Way to go, Buttercup. Sometimes you do get it right. As for Laude, she is Laude and clear as to her stark ignorance and her rebellion against order and a God of order.


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Good Lordy, Lordy (LC), why do you take the Lord's name in vain? I don't think JMH would approve of you calling yourself "Lord", would he? Isn't there just one Lord? Just Curious.

"And if anyone say unto you: Lo, here is Christ, or there is Christ, believe it not." (Mt. 24:23)
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Jen, this one is for you.

With Agony of Heart

I wish I could make a sound,
Like the S C R E A M of an Eagle,
To cry out my agony to the skys.
For I have loved another woman as my sister.
But I have been Betrayed!
By our Prophet first of all, For he could have said
Thus be it so -
And all would have been well.
By her father because of the prophet.
And the whole world.


We are torn apart and can no longer
Even be friends.
Where do I turn?
How can I Vent My Pain?
My sorrow that she was hurt too,
And was turned away from me....
Forever?
The tears of my heart
Would overflow the oceans.
But I must face the world with a smile
...... Alone......
Why can't I share my life,
My husband and children
With someone who loves me for me.
And worse yet, it cannot even die,
To be forgotten with lost dreams.
For the designs of men,
It must be dug up out of it's grave
To see and smell it's rotting flesh
And be humiliated again.

I have already lost this battle
And with it a part of me Died.
My hope of a lifetime
That I would find a true sister,
A Kindred Spirit,
To share Eternity with
Has been Brutally ripped from me.
And yet life goes on
And so must I.
A glimmer only remains.
But I dare not lift my head to glance at it
Least again I should be slain
And this time have not the strength to rise again.

I was born to be a pillar
I have been told by the old and wise, and I believe.
It must be so
Else I should not have lived this long.
I must go on
And fight the brave fight.
I must be there
For my children, and my husband
Least they perrish also.

I must stand firm
For the whole world is watching me.
I must be strong for them
That I might possibly
Inspire another soul,
Though I cannot cry my grief,
That I can make a difference
In someone else's life
That they can be spared my pain and humiliation.

I have loved and lost.
I have loved and won, and won, and won, and won.
So why does the loss hurt so badly?
That I might know?
And have compassion for others?
It must be.
I know God loves me
As He does All of His Children.
He Will Not take away Our Agency
Even if the innocent must suffer.
I pray that when I face God
At the end of my life
He might say,
Well done, Enter into Your Rest.
And then
When you are rested,
I have work for you again.

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I like your poem Lori,
Here I hold up my candle,
the fame is very dim.
Hope is crushed and forlorn,
but I hold its handle.
I keep in me alive
the dream my Fathers had.
One love is gone,
but not forever,
the memory lingers on.
upon my talent,
God will multiply.


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That was one beautiful butterfly.

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And most beautiful to you, Ruth. Very well done, to the very end.

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Hey,

What happens if wife #1 can't stand wife #2 and there is much strife. Do the wifes always maintain seperate residenses? What if they live together under one roof and it is war? Can a polygamy guy get rid of a wife who doesn't fit? Do sister wifes ever gang up on their loving hubby? I am serious. Just curious how it works.

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Yes. To all of the above. It's called living the Ignited Order.
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Can't get along? Then they're not following Christ, who said: "Pray always, that ye enter not into temptation." If you are always prayerful and have that loving spirit in you, and gracing you all around, then you are a light on a hill. Anything else is rebellion, and must be adjusted. Now, if it's the man who is guilty, then he is well adjusted, often all the way into exile, "for I am no respector of persons."

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Ca Blog Disc 3


OOPSY, IT SLIPPED! I didn’t know it would populate so admirably all over your blog, like a leap-frog blog to clog yo mind, you dog. It’s like, there’s a fog over Gog and Magog. Maybe this will help to jog the hog into a log, once more. When he abuses the blog by deleting peoples’ posts, and then he boasts of freedom the most, he will coast along without the Holy Ghost, while heaven’s host will roast the hog within the log, and consider this blog toast. I know you’ve got plenty of rotten logs up there in Canada to hide in, you slippery bare-naked hog.

So, here’s some populatin for ya:
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onthestreet Says:
May 12th, 2005 at 4:52 pm
Hey, where you all been, out tossing scripture with the bath water? That Waterboy shouldn’t be doing that. We all love the Word, and we let it flow freely among us. So fill full your water-pail, waterboy.

jhb Says:
May 9th, 2005 at 5:31 pm
It is windy and overcast but not raining. I will be out here at least two more weeks. Your right about knockout the IP address is the same as the one that streety had from down in the sunny south.

Stinger Says:
May 9th, 2005 at 5:45 pm
What are they doing to your hand?

stimskey Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 1:51 pm
Hopefully they’re not using it to spank you with. I think you’ve been a better boy than that, haven’t you. Glad it’s going good with you.

onthestreet Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 1:52 pm
Yah, same same.

jhb Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 4:01 pm
I have been trying to be good, and no spanking involved although there is still lots of pain.

Stinger Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
Good afternoon everybody.

Atar_i Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 6:37 pm
Why is this area called Mac?

Stinger Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:05 pm
It’s actually a seperate category that is called Mac. It’s in referance to one of the fellas who is now a warrenite. He was recently taken to the hospital with a very life threatening illness but because the warrenites won’t talk to us not much info about his condition has been given.

onthestreet Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:18 pm
Mac’s in very good hands.

jhb Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:18 pm
Stinger Good day to you. I take it you have not heard how Mac is doing.

Stinger Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:20 pm
I haven’t. All I have heard is that it’s pretty serious.

jhb Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:20 pm
Ah yes very good hands. We are all in the Lords hands until we choose another master.

Street's Reply: Like I said, before you started editing and deleting my posts: It's very good that you can now acknowledge that Mac being with Warren puts him in very good hands, until you choose another master. Well put, John Boy.

onthestreet Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:22 pm
So did they save all three? Which hand was it? You didn’t git that from typen on the puter, did jah?

Stinger Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:23 pm
Hey JHB,
Great foresight on your part with the whole finger thing. We ran out of trees so we ran all them 14 foot house logs down to 7-8’s. I fed them all yesterday. You really missed out.

jhb Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:25 pm
I am glad to hear that, but the finger thing was not planned I too like to think I am in good hands.

onthestreet Says:
May 10th, 2005 at 7:31 pm
There you go, half-pint. You’re in good hands with All State.

Atar_i Says:
May 11th, 2005 at 3:04 pm
OK, I’m trying to think of the things that a young man would be hospitalized for. Accidents, cancers, respiratory problems, heart problems. Was it work related? Is he young/healthy? What hospital is he at?

Stinger Says:
May 11th, 2005 at 4:02 pm
He is actually an older man. I think it’s cancer.

onthestreet Says:
May 11th, 2005 at 4:05 pm
That is, if you can trust the insurance of the world.

Anonymous Says:
May 11th, 2005 at 7:38 pm
So, how shall I respond to the new paper. There could be some really interesting comments about it.


STREET’S RESPONSE TO ISSUE 4 (of the frigid North Star):

“Let us be led by the one man Jesus Christ in every sense of the word.” Brigham Young
Ah yes, the one man doctrine again. Jesus is certainly over it all, being heir, but (oops), what about his joint heirs?
He speaks of watchmen, and every prophet who followed him are the watchmen of the gates or worlds leading back to his presence. Yes, without that one man Warren, all the way back to Jesus Christ, you end up with a host of missing links or under-shepherds. It is the wicked world who promote the idea that we will bypass all the prophets and go straight to Jesus Christ, for Jesus himself spoke of his watchmen, and said: What ye do unto the least of these my brethren, ye do unto me. Oh, Brigham said it, “one man, Jesus Christ.” But without revelation nor the Spirit of God, you jump on that bandwagon and dive headlong into the abyss of rebellion against his order of things. Revelation and the spirit says that Brigham was simply being modest, and rebuffing those who were suggesting that he was KING, and that without being led by the Lord, we cannot be led by his prophet, not doing away with prophets or prophecy. How foolish and wreckless is that, Winston!

I hope you will search the Scriptures to see whether these things are not also consistent with those things which the ancient Prophets and Apostles have written.— Joseph Smith. See Winston, consistency with the prophets is vital, and when you rebel against the prophet and go off on your own by IR-regular succession, there is no succession at all. You have cut YOURSELF off.

U n c l e Roy’s thoughts on relocation: Here is what Uncle Roy said, as you yourself have quoted him: “Let us humble ourselves to the extent that we can control the conditions. . .” You yourselves have acknowledged that Warren Jeffs has controlled conditions, so much so that he has your houses and your very wives, where they belong. Talk about control! Talk about faith! Then LSJ referred to “other places where WE can provide, referring to the people in his day, under the conditions of his day. But in WSJ’s day, walking by current revelation, he not only has the faith spoken of by LSJ “to control these conditions” (in Colorado City), but then to even “move into places where we can more adequately provide for our families.” (end quote). Then Uncle Roy asked: “Now, IFFFF our faith is not sufficient to subdue. . . this place, how much better off will we be by going somewhere else. Each prophet in succession is led by the Lord, not by the words pertaining to the particular conditions of another era. Did you not quote BY yourself, in the Masthead of this little sheet of yours: “Let us be led by the one man Jesus Christ.” So that is what Warren Jeffs is so faithfully doing. The faith of the people was not sufficient then to branch out and replenish the earth, and subdue it, as GOD COMMANDED. Now he has the 500 men, and UNCLE ROY DIRECTED throught the Lord.

Without Natural Affection
“You children are dead to me”, said the mother to her daughters. The girls had not followed their mother in embracing new teachings. “If you do not follow this holy prophet I will have nothing more to do with you. . . Good for her. Once you are cut off, cutting yourselves off, that is death, refusing to embrace CURRENT REVELATION, vs the revelations needed for the conditions of another time. You see, the girls were “Without Natural Affection,” FOR SURE. They rejected their own mother, as did their father reject the father of the people apparently. That is absolutely “Without Natural Affection.” “Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land that the Lord thy God giveth thee.” (Ex. 20:12). “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers? Whoso does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” (Mt. 12:48) Natural Affection, Winston? Yes, ye are without natural affection, for you have rebelled against the prophets and the very word of the Lord.

Things are Not Always as they Seem
“Many years ago I had this old friend (Yes, had: Past tense). He said: We don’t think that you people should be taking clothing away in that volume. I promised that I would look into it. When I talked to the ladies of our community I found out that the Oler ladies were doing volunteer laundry, mending, ironing and folding. Isn’t it funny how all that some folks can do to help is to complain.” So, the man was obey the word: “Be watchful in Zion,” and so forth. Is that complaining? Furthermore, you admit here that the ladies were indeed taking large volumes of clothing, robbing the needy of necessary cover, and furthermore profiting from it by reselling it, no doubt, at a higher price! Ah, the man was right. They shouldn’t have been doing that. Isn’t it SAD how some folks can only complain against the Watchmen of Zion, making them out to be criminal. You’re right, they’re not what you make them out to seem.

Bountiful Women’s Society
“The presentation put on by the Bountiful Women’s Society went very well. There were some exciting moments though, as all who entered had to pass a picket line of righteous protestors. . . There was also a vocal interruption in the presentation itself.” (Yes, you are authors of confusion). An objector faced the Mayor of Creston and demanded that he clean this whole thing up. Thank you to the RCMP, the local politicians and the politicians who came from long distances or sent their delegate, and the host of others who came. Thank you to Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff. Thank you to the people of Creston, Cranbrook, and those from Trail, Nelson and Castlegar who came or phoned in their support. Thank you to the media. Ladies it is true! The hand that rocks the cradle…

Ah, yes, thank you wicked gentile world, for letting us unite with you. The hand that rocks the boat drowns the people.

Dr. Phil
Some of the women have been contacted by the Dr. Phil Show and asked if they would come be on one of his shows. What an interesting opportunity! (Yes, you become of the world, and join their fate).

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I would say to people who are bent upon having me change my faith, all you have to do is cut off my head, and even that would not do it, because I would still be myself , entertaining the same faith in the next world.—(President John Taylor-J.D. 22). Winston, by cutting yourself off from the prophet, as noted above on “Relocation” and Without Natural Affection”, you have indeed changed your faith and have cut off your head.

They said it—-When you take someone’s misinformation and point out the facts, if they still maintain their bias, then they are just prejudiced. —Richard Blackmore, if you don’t pre-judge, you err. But, you’re right. I take your misinformation, and point out the facts. Very well put.

Isn’t it something, the head of that organization is accused of being a pedophile, my father in law was a confessed child molester, and they cut me off for sleeping with my wife.-RM Blackmore, Jesus Christ was accused, and accused, and accused. Yes, your own progenitors are the molesters, as you have well pointed out, and you are the result.

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.—Apostle Paul. So, Winny, is Paul saying that God is not worthy of a place to lay his head? Are you saying that? Are the Lord’s houses that will dot the land obsolete, because your faith has become obsolete? Like you just pointed out, you are made with hands, molestation, so by your own admission, God dwelleth not with you.

The greatest bomb shelter that can be built is to get the spirit of God and keep it.-Uncle Roy Johnson:
See, without the Spirit of God, which flows through the regular succession of the prophets, having cut that off, you will be bombarded and have no security at all.

You will find this order of the priesthood teaching from the doctrines taught by the Prophet Joseph Smith. We do not teach a strange doctrine, but this doctrine is as old as the history of the world.—Uncle Roy Johnson:
Seeing then, that you have rejected current revelation, a doctrine of the Priesthood, you have become strange to God.

Grace is given to heal the spiritually sick, not to decorate spiritual heroes. –Martin Luther:
Grace is the head of the tree, and the hero of God (his prophet) is the head of the people, to heal the sick. Furthermore, just because the founder of a gentile church said something doesn’t make it gospel, now does it. Grace is the head, it does indeed decorate the head, the prophet. So Luther lied, as Lucifer lies.

If a man possesses five grains of common sense, when he has a privilege of voting for or against a man, he will not
vote for a man that oppresses the people.—John Taylor on voting for the President of the Church:
By faithfully expelling the oppressors, the prophet has blessed his people, the house of the Lord. Furthermore, you know what the prophets have said about who chooses the prophet, and who the prophet belongs to. God votes for his prophet, and he belongs to God, not to the people. However, the elect still belong to him.

A Report on Conference: The conference could be well described as being very successful, if it weren’t for a BBQ and rodeo, games, horseback rides, roping clinics, and in the evening, a program of sorts. There was also a motorcycle jumping event. It was all wonderful. Hundreds enjoyed the event, the weather was beautiful, the food was good and plentiful, and the company was extraordinary: Is that your “Conference Report”? Since when do those activities (motorcycles, roping clinics, rodeos, etc.), make up a conference of the Lord’s Church? You have certainly fallen! Yes, the company of devils “all very wonderful and extraordinary.”

Three Wives to go to Heaven? Ah, you speak of “Family Order”. One would assume that you should be referring to the highest order of heaven, but lo, having denied current revelation (what you call ‘new doctrine’, you have lost the order, and indeed never found it. Don’t you know the Tree? No, says Winnie Poo, I never found it. Well, the Tree of Live has three mothers (horizontal paths), and only three, not two, not four. Three is the Order. Then there are a total of 27 in one Tree, and there can be other trees added to that order if worthy. Take away one, just one, and you have cut off the circuit. You’re dead.

Second Comforter—by President Rulon T. Jeffs -1969: Let me say in passing, brothers and sisters, beware of one who boasts that he has had the ministration or the presence of the Savior. Ah so: Paul boasts of the third heaven, and Joseph of the Godhead, or do they? We glory in Jesus Christ. But show me one word of Warren Jeffs boasting of being in the presence of Jesus Christ. Show it, by date, page, verse, or just quote it verbatim. Then we will see another lie from you, lying in wait. Then RTJ says: “The administration is for that man alone”. There you see it for yourself, regular succession from Rulon Jeffs to Warren Jeffs. How so? By your own inference, the Prophet Rulon Jeffs is pointing to Warren Jeffs in saying those words, right? So, as he said: “The administration is for that man alone”. It belongs to Warren and him alone. He is the legal successor, by your own admission. Good work.

I will respond to the second half of the frigid North Star in a future post, for your eminent entertainment and enlightenment.



onthestreet Says:
May 12th, 2005 at 7:45 pm e
THAT BETTER, FOKES.
I aim to please.

onthestreet Says:
May 12th, 2005 at 8:09 pm e
Hey, what’s ping? Now tis your turn to enlighten me.

onthestreet Says:
May 12th, 2005 at 8:15 pm e
Happy Mother’s Day. The enemy transfers his powers to the child the moment he administers the wound. The ultimate spy or witness is the clarity and truth of a child, and a little child shall lead them. Adam, Noah, Abrahom, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, all polygamists, built altars, even large families, in the wilderness. “Families” permuted is to “Seal em off.” These were houses that they build unto the Lord (temples). It was nothing simple or insignificant, like just a pile of rocks. Then came Christ to the temple. “Temple” permuted: “It is help-meet.” Then came Yoseph unto Varren, all who build altars or temples in the wilderness, as the mothers of the earth, or brides for the bridegroom. Who is my mother and my brethren? (Mt. 12:48). Though we be an ocean apart, it’s like my bonnie lies over the ocean.

There’s ya something to chew on. Consider it mannah, or beef jerkey if you prefer (or ES, if you must).
5/8/2005 7:37 PM (Original Post, before the ‘saints’ deleted and banned it).


OOPSY, YOU DELETED STREET’S POSTS! May 13th, 2005
I’m quite sure it was by mistake. Here’s a repost for you to play with, my child.
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WHAT WOULD SATISFY STREET:

Someone asked me what I want. What would satisfy me, and at the same time solidify the position of those good people in Canada, the WB group. Here is how to do it:

It will certainly be a start for Winston to acknowledge that some of what the Lord has said, what the Prophet Warren Jeffs has said, and what I have quoted is true, instead of just a blanked denial of everything, due to guilt. You’re like drug addicts in denial, total denial. So just acknowledge that some of it is true. That alone will go a long way in not only toning me down, but also in solidifying your position. Try it, a simple act of faith.

Hell, even I admit that some of what you say is true. All of heaven admits to that, for all men (and even devils) have a mixture of truth and error, or else they couldn’t seem credible. Yet, you can’t even (in kind) acknowledge the Lord a little, in the truths that he has spoken, that I have been quoting, and directly from his own Word? If you’re just all criticism and all denial (even to the point now of deleting posts, in the hope of running from it), then there is something seriously wrong with that, even demonic and pathological. So try it! Acknowledge it. A simple act of faith.

You see, I wasn’t even going to comment on the “Frigid North Star’s” latest issue. You will notice that I refrained for two weeks, half way into the month, from blogging it anywhere, on any of the blogs. I certainly couldn’t do it in your blog, seeing that you ran away from me (like a naked Adam in the Garden of Eden), by closing down your blog. Or would you prefer to be compared with Cain? Hey, the black brother is colorful, and also very necessary. At any rate, when you came out of hiding from me with your new blog, and then started to grossly edit and delete my posts (like you could hide again from the truth, or even from responding some how to someone’s viewpoint, that was very moving. You moved me right into starting my own thread of light on your blog, shall we say the warm and congenial Southern Star? It really helps for people, including yourselves, to have a warm Biblical perspective of things, don’t you agree, and not just a cold, frigid, Northern perspective. I knew you were capable of seeing the light. I just hope you’re not wearing what they call blinders they put on those horses of yours. So don’t be shy. Don’t run away from me. Take a peak at others’ perspective, respect their views a little, not just delete them or close your blogs entirely. Enjoy the sunshine a little, and live!

Respectfully,
Yours in eternal bliss



Richard Says:

May 13th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
This is Richard. Forget the eye color thing. I was not trying to aggravate anyone. I mention eye color and the next thing people are saying I am a Nazi! It made me laugh. But I decided that everyone on these blogs is on the edge because of the situation. So no more “wierd stuff”!

I am honestly concerned about the situation because I have a close friend who has family under Warren’s spell. If (read “when”) Warren flips out, my friend wants to be able to locate them and possibly help them. So I am helping him monitor and research the situation. I am an excommunicated LDS Mormon, and do not believe in any other church. After my LDS mission to Italy I studied the Lorin Wooley story and rejected his authority claims. I do accept the Second Book of Commandments, but it forbids setting up another church. I believe the LDS church will be “cleansed” at some future point.

Stinger Says:
May 13th, 2005 at 8:13 pm
Hey, no problem. All is forgiven. Some of us are very touchy about our eyes. lol


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May 14th, 2005 at 3:29 pm
Ahhh, all forgiven. Very touching! They eyes have it that all who are blind are very sensitive, seeing through a glass very darkly.

Ahh, what to post. . . stretch, yawn. . . ahhhhh

onthestreet Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
May 14th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Well moderate. I’m waiting.



onthestreet Says:
May 20th, 2005 at 5:09 pm
O Canada!

anonymous Says:
May 20th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
We stand on guard for thee! And then we have a hockey game street.

Stinger Says:
May 20th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
A street hockey game.
Har Har Har.

anonymous Says:
May 21st, 2005 at 8:56 am
Street! Have you been to watch the Phoenix Coyotes yet? They are a pretty good team. That hockey, now that is a game. It might take your mind off of some of your hard feelings. Might give your guilt a little rest.

onthestreet Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
May 22nd, 2005 at 1:17 pm
What hockey. No such thing in the U.S., right? You win.

onthestreet said...

Stop Polygabuse Aimoo Blog
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Immaculate Conception?
What's This? ????
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What society?
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Anyone mind telling me what Immaculate Conception means?
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Curious: Immaculate conception is the idea that Jesus was not born of man. His mother, Mary, was pregnant without having intercourse. Thus, conceived through a devine miracle.
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So, don't you consider yourselves immaculately conceived? Such are the saints, immaculate.
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Actually, I am fairly certain that my Mom & Dad had sex in order to conceive me.
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You mean, like cats and dogs, and the animal world. That is animal nature. It seems that you are several worlds fallen. First, you must regain your human nature, and then take another step up, and acquire divine nature. All three natures are worlds apart, and the lower ones keep you from God's presence.
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You mean, like cats and dogs, and the animal world. That is animal nature. It seems that you are several worlds fallen. First, you must regain your human nature, and then take another step up, and acquire divine nature. All three natures are worlds apart, and the lower ones keep you from God's presence.
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So, Curious, let me get this straight: When you get a woody, it is a "devine" woody. When anybody else gets horny, it's animalistic. I think your a few branches short of a whole tree.
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You mean you don't know about Immaculate Conception, and how crucial it is to eternal life?
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You mean you don't know about Immaculate Conception, and how crucial it is to eternal life?
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Immaculate conception as I understand it is the teaching that Mary was conceived without original sin.(no intercourse). Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. So if you are thinking that somehow all children you bring into this world are "Immaculate, you sir are sadly mistaken: Sperm + egg = baby. I am not saying that all children are not destined to be born by God, but there is a little science involved by my estimation. Of course, according to you only the children of white parents are divinely inspired. You are a little twisted for my tastes.
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For my two cents. . . . .

I believe that Jesus Christ was a teacher. In my belief system, the true Christ is a part of God that we are trying to bring into our souls, our spirits, and our bodies. In order to become like Christ, the true Christ must be born in your heart. This is an act of "Immaculate Conception." When Christ is born in your heart, it is by the Spirit of God.


The concept of Immaculate Conception is very important to the development of the soul. Christ must be born in the heart of each one of us. The "Christ" we are hoping to be born within us is "True Love." The Virgin, in a sense, is our heart that receives the Holy Spirit and conceives that "only Begotten" son of God, which is to become a part of each one us. When Christ born in our heart, by this method of Immaculate Conception, we learn to become "Joint Heirs" with Christ. As Christ, the Spirit of True Love, grows in our hearts, we begin to partake in the true blessings as a child of God.

To God, all things are spiritual. To get caught up in weither or not Jesus was really conceived by Immaculate Conception is to sort of miss the point of what he was trying to teach, in my humble opinion. But for the record, I believe that Jesus got into the world just like the rest of us. In the teaching principals of Christ, the idea of Immaculate Conception carries a lot of truth.
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For my two cents. . . . .I believe that Jesus Christ was a teacher. In my belief system, the true Christ is a part of God that we are trying to bring into our souls, our spirits, and our bodies. In order to become like Christ,the true Christmust be born in your heart. This is an act of "Immaculate Conception." When Christ is born in your heart, it is by the Spirit of God.The concept of Immaculate Conception is very important to the development of the soul. Christ must be born in the heart of each one of us. The "Christ" we are hoping to be born within us is "True Love." The Virgin, in a sense, is our heart that receives the Holy Spirit and conceives that "only Begotten" son of God, which is to become a part of each one us. When Christ born in our heart, by this method of Immaculate Concept
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Try this one on street
A young man went to Warren for advise. He was wondering if he was getting true revelation and asked warren about it. The young man said that it felt like, well, like an orgasim. Warren told him that yes that was true and correct revelation.
Ouch, doesn't that shoot down your immaculate conception. From the mouth of your beloved prophet himself.
It is a true report, from the mouth of him who asked.
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What does it mean to be righteous. Anyone know?
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Scroll up. I think he says it quite well.
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Scroll up. I think he says it quite well.
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I at least got a chuckle from his difinition. At first I was confused about all of this talk about brain-washing and then saw this thread and WOW, I could see what they meant. If I've heard "suck-ass" in my life, it would be in the top post.

My definition about righteous is about "right-ness." There is Universal Rightness and then Self-Rightness. Warren is all about Self-Rightness. Everything he does is about what is right for HIM. Every move he has made was evidence of his lack of concern and love for his people. He has not done one thing, that I can see that was right for the people. He has broken their families, broken their spirits, broken the bank, broken the UEP, broken the law, broken young boys virginity, and has broken the community. Explain to me, where is the "rightness" in all of that?

His teachings express fear of others, and crimes against the Creation, which is in violation of Universal Rightness.

I have a lot of respect for the process of creation and the cycles of life. The destroyer is often just as important as the Creator. But in this case, I think is a case of mistaken Identity. The one that claims to be the representitive of the Creator, is really the Destroyer, which makes me think him "un-righteous" for the good of mankind. His acts of rightness seem to only serve his carnal desires for power and destruction. The only rightness being acted out in Warren is the rightness of Little Jeff Jr hanging between his legs. And at this point, whatever is right for him, is wrong for the rest of us. Warren has no concept of what a servant of God does. A servant of God serves the greater good, the good of all life, to the best of that servants ability. If Warren is acting Universal Righteousness to the best of his ability, he should be fired immediately.
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Reply to : ImjustcuriousScroll up. I think he says it quite well.I at least got a chuckle from his difinition. At first I was confused about all of this talk about brain-washing and then saw this thread and WOW, I could see what they meant. If I've heard "suck-ass" in my life, it would be in the top post.My definition about righteous is about "right-ness." There is Universal Rightness and then Self-Rightness. Warren is all about Self-Rightness. Everything he does is about what is right for HIM.Every move he has made was evidence of his lack of concern and love for his people. He has not done one thing, that I can see that was right for the people. He has broken their families, broken their spirits, broken t
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Lord, you're talking to Street. You're wasting your time. The guy don't need an argument...he needs help.
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Cactus Jim, you've got to let "on the street" back on. I'm almost in tears, thinking that I might have missed this. Howcan you claim to have objective board when you deny exposure of the very thing you are trying to handle? This spirit is the source ofwhat you are trying to crush. Denying it expression is simply forcing it go somewhere else.I thought you guys were into the "handling" this situation.
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I'm just curious...what do you think? I'll be in Chicago for a couple days. Will anxiously await the results when I return!
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I Am That I Am
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I Am That I Am
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And I Is what I is. Sounds sort of like you have got a confession here, except his has confused himself with the God. Who knows. . .. .
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I dont know if hes on the street or not. Lets see if he can put together more than two coherent sentences with atleast mediocre spelling. Thatll tell us real quick...........................and oh yeah, lets see if is head isnt in his ass.
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I think on the street is a women. Why do you think they post this way? What do you think? I did laugh a few times, thinking this. Women are bostfuler, and holier than tho, then most men. Mon usually are makeing every one responsible for what they do, or blaming it all on the women. Rarly do men speak like dark as midnight, and say, I am making my own choices, and even the heavens must agree. Men stand firm in there resolutions with all men and God, but when a women starts to flapping, the strongest of men dod run.Women are like: don't want no man to tell me what to do, but I can hammer him to hell. Then when they want his money, Why its you owe it to me. So what if I did not work as much as you. IAM THE WOMEN. GIVE GIVE GIVE.
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According to the Texas Blog, they've traced him down to a public library in Phoenix. Jim should be able to prove one way or another.
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Do not know for sure. Jim beam sure did not heasitate to post my name and story with out even asking me. I think he could tell you in a second. He likes playing games, and pretending to be selfrightous. I think he thought he would intimidate me.
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Hmmmm, you know what I think? I think whoever he is he's getting his jollies having us dedicate a thread solely to finding out who he is. Why not ignore him.
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I'm with Midnightversion...
It's obvious to me that certain "contributors" to these forums have no other purpose than to get attention and/or get a rise out of someone - anyone. It's an old ploy.

My personal aphorism: Ignore stupidity.

The most significant effect you can have on anyone who is obviously out of line, pathetic or stupid, is to ignore them. By responding, you play right into their taunting word games (e.g., "pay attention to me" or "I bet I can get a rise out of you"). Falling for and responding to these stupid games just reinforces more of the same. After all, there are no sticks or stones to hurt your bones, so stupid words are NOT going to hurt you, that is unless you let 'em. Ignore the stupidity. It's all fluff and bluff!

This little gem might be worth considering:

"Fools show their anger at once, but the prudent ignore an insult."
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Well, Jim. Your board has become quite proliphic (Where the heck's your spell-check). Glad to see that. It's picked up alot since Street started posting, yes? No, you don't need to give Street no credit, but people are now pouring their hearts out. That's good.
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I guess that would mean Warren receives "revelation" just before breakfast, right after lunch, and two or three times later in the evening.
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Sorry Midnight, but you've got it dead wrong here. Warren thinks getting a revelation is hard, it takes him days, if not months for him get a revelation. Even so, he thinks it makes him a prophet. Shush. . . . We won't tell him that according his version, we're all professional prophets.
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The operative phrase here LC, is "in my belief system". You cannot recreate/change the definition of a word/phrase because you think it should mean something else. It is what it is.
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Just curious if anyone know who he is, what he does, how close he is to Warren, ect.]
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Now, there is one fine man. I think Arthur is Ray Blackmore's son, not sure. But I always liked the man. Very descent and unassuming as far as I know, perhaps unlike myself, and very Warren-like. Ah, that says it all for a world of know-it-alls.
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Radshack and Chalen (not Lord): Immaculate Conception is of both body and spirit, the same as God is.



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Well, Jim. Your board has become quite proliphic (Where the heck's your spell-check). Glad to see that. It's picked up alot since Street started posting, yes? No, you don't need to give Street no credit, but people are now pouring their hearts out. That's good.
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Why don't you
A: Stop pretending you aren't street and
B: Quit patting yourself on the back so hard.
You've behaved yourself so far this round, but if you relapse you'll force me to do it again.


memargo
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"Always do the right thing, even if its wrong." Its a great feeling, realizing that opinion of others isn't going to help you, no matter what you do.
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LC, you would indeed be a great psychological study (believe me, I know). You are having delusions of grandeur. The emphasis I placed on the word delusion is intentional. There are so many parallels between you and Warren Jeffs. You both seem to eroneously believe you have all the answers. Well, on second thought maybe you are not exactly as he is. You see, I don't really think he believes all the stuff he spews at people,. He simply does it as a means of control. You on the other hand, seem to think your ramblings are somehow "devine" and that maybe the whole world should take note of your rare intellectual prowess.

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Hey, Memargo, lay off the Challen who isn't Lord. Some of the stuff he says is true. But, you're right. He calls himself Lord, does he not. I'd be a-changin that, if. . . (let's see, not if I were him, I ain't him, and he ain't me). But, yah, change it, my friend.
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Radshack Said (Date Posted: 05/16/2005 10:26 PM )
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I know of one man who seriously had a problem servicing the women. Not that he wasn't normal... It must be kinda sad for the women to be so emotionally neglected. Love maybe never does come into the equation. Sex is really only for procreation, not for pleasure or intimacy, after all!!

My Reply: To service women is to have fun with them, and that includes honoring their purity, not treating them like common whores. To do that is to emotionally neglect them, and you're right: Love never comes into the equation under those conditions. To be pure is to be sexually pure. Then you mind and heart and relationships find ultimate pleasure and intimacy, with yourself, with women, with God and angels.



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Clyde Macert, had only one wife. That is what Jim Ashurst likes to do: He puts filthy lies in a crumb of truth. Yes there was a clyde. Yes he had daughters. Yes he had a wife. Yes, Jim lies a lot. Betwene Him, Flora, and the men, that were in my life, a preson could sing that song about filling up the grand canyon with lies, all day. Yup, there lies, could cover our soil, with smuck from here to Texas, and our desert would bloom again. Like it did this year. Pheonix, may insinagrate, and rise again. Who knows.
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Cactus Jim’s Response: Ruth, you hit hardest when you have your head up the wrong end of your anatomy. Look here. http://helpthechildbrides.com/coloradocity/life1953/index.htm There are 3 pictures of Clyde Mackert and his first 3 wives. . . Now, you owe me and Flora both apologies for the stupid hateful crap you just posted. Let's see if you have enough guts to say to the world "I was wrong and I'm sorry for the vicious way I attacked

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Hey Ruthy, just surprise them. Do it. Our friend Jim would either be pleased, or terribly chagrinned. At any rate, the confession of our little mistakes does the soul alot of good, and God knows we all make them. Nice to hear from you again.



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Hey Imjustcurious, I'm curious...whats your defintion of the Immaculate Conception? I don't think your definition is the same as mine. Some people think the term refers to Christ's conception in Mary's womb without the intervention of a human father; but that is the Virgin Birth.

Imjustcurious’ Response: What! Conception the same as birth: "Christ's conception. . .is the Virgin Birth? How so! How credible, or incredible, is that? You do away with gestation entirely! That is neither scientific nor scriptural or theological, nor according to the cosmic order. Well, I've found that I can't fault men or women for their mis-CONCEPTIONS or slip-ups. All humans have their share, do we not.

You ask: "Is it your belief that we are all "immaculately conceived? I do believe we are all here by God's design, however the IC term as I understand it refers to Mary."

Memargo, many are immaculately conceived or else God wouldn't have angels in his presence. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." See, only the pure or immaculate see God, and he has an innumerable company of angels about him. But then, God is both body, soul, and spirit. Therefore, conception pertains to the conception of body, soul, and spirit. We must be "born again," as our Savior says we must. If we are not so privileged as to be conceived immaculately in the body, then our bodies (as well as our mind, soul, and spirit), must become immaculate by the fire of God. If the term "immaculate" referred only to Mary, then Christ is not immaculately conceived, only Mary. In fact, both were, as well as all who are the elect of God, or come to that innumberable company of saints and angels, by a trial and purification process. This must take place under the prophet designated by God, and all the world is on their own in determining who that might be, if anyone at all. I am not sent to convert you, but conversion indeed is what's required to be converted from gross minds and bodies to immaculate ones. The world is finished. All that's left is the mopping up, for "Few there be that find it." That's the exclusiveness of godhood, is it not? Like you just said, "we are all here by God's design." So godhood is very exclusive, excluding all but a select and obscure few (in godhood). And by their work, worlds are saved, for they become "Saviors on Mount Zion." (Obadiah 21).
Imjustcurious,
I do not understand. It does hearten me that you do not think women should be treated as w-----. I do hate that word!
I do not believe God would have created our bodies as he did, if that was not the intent. S-e-x as I understand it is for the creation of children but also to bond a married couple together in an emotional and a physical sense. I am not tryin to be lude (rude?) but the "feelings" that s-e-x engenders are part of Gods plan becasue he made us each and every one to function in that way. Some people do pervert the purpose, but that does not make it dirty between married men and women.
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A related question would be why don't human women come in heat like all the other of God's creatures do? They only have sex then and not again until she is ready to get pregnant again. The reason I've read is that human survival depends on the bonding you were talking about. A man bonds with a woman and thus he'll stick with her through the pregnancy. We are a weak species that depends on group effort and wit to survive. This reinforces what you said about the pleasure being an important part of it that we are intended to experience.
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Those are good points Cactus. I was afraid I might make you "prickly" when I quoted the bible verses about marriage. I was afraid I might get lumped into the category of Onthestreet, or Imjustcurious or whatever he calls himself today.

Now to the part about if it doesn't hurt anyone--go ahead. I don't think s-e-x should be a carefree form of recreation. I think that maybe I was born in the wrong time, cause as I said before my s-e-x expereince I have limited only to my husband. I think virgin brides are a dying breed, but there was one left when I married 15 years ago. i see an awful lot of problems with this sex revolution thing. Young kids doin it "just because", gettin pregant before they are able to care for a child, VD, you name it. It's not for me.
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Tammy:
The first commandment of God to man: Multiply and replenish the earth, AND SUBDUE IT! See, the purpose of God in creating us after the likeness of animals, with our bodies like they are, is to give us something to subdue, the portion of the earth or physical existence that is most personal to us.

Furthermore: From Adam to Warren, the Gospel of Christ pertains to sacrifice vs sacrelige, subduction vs seduction, to sacrifice the flesh and subdue it. Corrupt men get greedy when they look upon a woman, to lust after her, whether she be his wife or his neighbor, and this is adultery (Mt. 5:28). We must come OUT of the world and such worldliness, like Israel had to come OUT of Egypt. Otherwise, the sacrifice mixed up with the world is no sacrifice, but being out of the world and sacrificing our own passions is an abomination to those who lust after you: "Pharoah said: Go, sacrifice to your God within our land. But Moses said: We would sacrifice offerings abominable to the Egyptians." (Ex. 8:25).

Tammy, there is a process and an order of purification. It doesn't start with marriage or male-female relationships at all. It starts with faith, repentence, baptism of water and holy spirit, by one having authority (Mt. 7:29, Acts 26:10). Then, when that's accomplished, man is ready for a holy and immaculate union. Otherwise, as it is, all the world remains in their corruption, for "Few there be that find it." (Mt. 7:14). Also, by his temptations and seductions, Satan has deceived the whole world" (Rev. 20:3, 18:23).

Tammy, you will find that they are so deceived now, that even Christians wail and gnash their teeth at the Word of God. They hate the scriptures, and scripture-quoting, but it's the Word of God. Enjoy it, or hate it, as you wish. This is the word of the Lord.



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The world is finished.
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Isn't that a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy? Why not start with the assumption that we can and must take care of this world? What else are here for?
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ImjustcuriousThe world is finished.
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That's just a warrenism.
What the Book says is: "I will make a full end of all nations."


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Correct. That's what it means, as I heard the prophets Rulon and Warren teach all my life. It doesn't mean the blowing up of a planet. God is not ready for that yet, and then that too: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall not pass away." (Mt. 5:18)

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Tammy: Our creator gave us three natures, as a trinity: Animal nature (as Adam), Human nature (as the Son who took on the flesh), and Divine nature (as the Father is divine). This is how we must progress, from the animal to the divine. “Be ye perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”



The animal part pertains to the flesh, which we are commanded to crucify or subdue, our physical being and passions (and our Lord did that supremely, but that doesn’t mean to kill ourselves, but only to deny the flesh its pleasures for the greater pleasures of the soul, and the infinite pleasures of our spirit bodies. The human part pertains to the soul, which we are commanded to save. The divine part pertains to the spirit, which we are commanded to exalt, not your flesh. All men who suggest or try to promote your flesh have a demon, or a legion of demons, to try to destroy you to the presence of hell, and the Prophet is trying to exalt you to the presence of God.
Womens' sexual involvement with their husbands is animal nature. There are higher and purer ways to do it.


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Tammy:The first commandment of God to man: Multiply and replenish the earth, AND SUBDUE IT! See, the purpose of God in creating us after the likeness of animals, with our bodies like they are, is to give us something to subdue, the portion of the earth or physical existence that is most personal to us.Furthermore: From Adam to Warren, the Gospel of Christ pertains to sacrifice vs sacrelige, subduction vs seduction, to sacrifice the flesh and subdue it. Corrupt men get greedy when they look upon a woman, to lust after her, whether she be his wife or his neighbor, and this is adultery (Mt. 5:28). We must come OUT of the world and such worldliness, like Israel had to come OUT of Egypt. Otherwise, the sacrifice mixed up with the world is no sacrifice, but being out of the world and sacrificing our own passions is an abomination to those who lust after you.
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Imcurious,
How is it that you are so sure that "subdueing the earth" means the s-e-x part? And if I have that relationship with my husband it is not adultry. I know our God is a loving God. I do not see him placing temptations before us that we must subdue! That would be the work of the devil, not of a loving God.

Mr. Curious it is difficult for me to say this to you because I don't want to offend you by speaking frankly, but I will try to do it as delicate as I can. Here goes: Like I said, I am definitely not the most "travelled person" in the s-e-x department, but I do know this. For men to "perform" the task, there has to be a level of "arousal". You may call it "procreating" if you want to, but if there is no arousal, there is no sperm, there is no conception and there is no baby. Any man who says they are having s-e-x without the "feel good" part is not being truthful. This is how the body functions.

Mr. Street: I am a Christian. I do not hate scriptures, they are important to me. You can choose to place all in the outside world in the same category, but it is also not truthful.God knows my heart and my conviction. Perhaps I am not smart enough to express it to you. In the end it isn't you that must understand it.

Tammyl


Date Posted: 05/18/2005 9:50 PM
Tammy: There you go. The word of the Lord is not hated by all, only by all the world, or those who are worldly. There is an elect of God, a chosen people, and you may well be nigh to that class if you are indeed sexually pure and divine in nature.

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All the more challenge and development of a man's passions by being with many women, purifying himself before them, and purifying them in the process. Then it is all the more intimate and all the more oneness, for God is one. There is nothing more intimate and united with the heavens than spirit, and the spiritual-minded vs body and the sensual minded.

"To be sensual is to be devilish." I don't have to reference in front of me right now, but I can get it if you need it.
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Chaster: There's a danger in becoming overly dependent on a fixed dogmatic rigid adherence to scripture, which I don't think was what its authors had in mind.

mloribee2: Thank you Chaster for that bit of thought. I don't usually agree with your posts but I'm keeping this one.I think it makes loads of sense too!tammyl

I think it makes loads of sense too! tammyl

STREETS' Reply: So, there's something sick and dangerous in being fixed on the Word of God? That's your problem, fokes. This is proof that you are not after God's own heart. King David certainly was. "MY HEART IS FIXED, O GOD, MY HEART IS FIXED (Ps. 57:7).


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Correct. Like I said about my information about (whatever): "I'm not sure. Just curious.
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Why did warren give you the boot? That was just plain dumb of him. You are so good at ranscacking the scriptures you'd think he would have put you on his staff somewhere. What a waste!


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Why did warren give you the boot? That was just plain dumb of him. You are so good at ranscacking the scriptures you'd think he would have put you on his staff somewhere. What a waste!
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Perhaps he committed the sin of original thinking.Chasmo
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Yeah that would do it. But he has repented of that.


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Yeah that would do it. But he has repented of that.
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Reply to : sayitaintsoYeah that would do it. But he has repented of that."Pleeeeze Mr Warren. I won't never do it agin".
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I do wish someone would explain to us what happened to mr. street/curious. I take it he was booted out by warren jeffs? How old a fella do you think this guy is? is he one of the ones who isn't high enough on the 'spiritual chain" to get a wife?
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ImjustcuriousThe world is finished.
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That's just a warrenism.
What the Book says is: "I will make a full end of all nations."


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Correct. That's what it means, as I heard the prophets Rulon and Warren teach all my life. It doesn't mean the blowing up of a planet. God is not ready for that yet, and then that too: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall not pass away." (Mt. 5:18)


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Curious said:

My Response: What! Conception the same as birth: "Christ's conception. . .is the Virgin Birth? How so! How credible, or incredible, is that? You do away with gestation entirely! That is neither scientific nor scriptural or theological, nor according to the cosmic order. Well, I've found that I can't fault men or women for their mis-CONCEPTIONS or slip-ups. All humans have their share, do we not.

Christ was conceived in Mary's womb by the power of the Holy Spirit and without the intervention of a human father. Christ's birth was a Virgin Birth.

Memargo, many are immaculately conceived or else God wouldn't have angels in his presence. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." See, only the pure or immaculate see God, and he has an innumerable company of angels about him. ..

The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way (through a man and a woman) was conceived without original sin or its stain--that's what "immaculate" means: without stain. Mary was preserved from these defects by God's grace. From the first instant of her existence (at conception) God placed her in the state of sanctifying grace and she was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings.

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That's just a warrenism.What the Book says is: "I will make a full end of all nations."
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The end of the world for each of us is when we die.


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Perhaps there are some relevant scriptural references here: http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/aesop/
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Reply to : sayitaintsoThat's just a warrenism.What the Book says is: "I will make a full end of all nations."The end of the world for each of us is when we die.
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Ah, I knew the answer would be there. http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/cgi/aesop1.cgi?1&TheAstronomer

The Astronomer
AN ASTRONOMER used to go out at night to observe the stars. One
evening, as he wandered through the suburbs with his whole
attention fixed on the sky, he fell accidentally into a deep
well. While he lamented and bewailed his sores and bruises, and
cried loudly for help, a neighbor ran to the well, and learning
what had happened said: "Hark ye, old fellow, why, in striving to
pry into what is in heaven, do you not manage to see what is on
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"Hark ye, old fellow, why, in striving to pry into what is in heaven, do you not manage to see what is onearth?'
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See Jim, the man was going deep, getting a better view. Hey, get this one. I will try to pry into what is in heaven, how the universe contracts and expands, back and forth, back and forth, like a yo-yo. Then, it's all accompanied by the melodious tones of a jewsharp, boing-boing-boing. . . Kind of like that "Third Rock From The Sun" comedy, with the planets bouncing around like damn jack rabbits. The gods are very playful, no? You think I'm joking, don't you. Hey, it's Biblical: "And the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunken man." (Is. 24:20).

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. . . Kind of like that "Third Rock From The Sun" comedy, with the planets bouncing around like damn jack rabbits. The gods are very playful, no? You think I'm joking, don't you. Hey, it's Biblical: "And the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunken man." (Is. 24:20).
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Thanks, and congrats on your new baby - that's awesome. Glad to hear you're doing well.
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Uncle Marion was a fine man. Thousands looked up to him. When you get that grip on reality though, squeeze her gently. We are all creatures of reality for sure, and I don't seek to belittle other communities. I just like reality, and I find that there are a few others who do too. I'd never strangle it, for crying out loud. Like John Barlow said: So and so' a good man, but. . . Somewhere it says: God don't make no junk. So you chaps and saps are okay as far as you've gone with it. Keep striving.


Mloribee said: Holy Cow! What happened to you man? You are complimenting a man who's name has had no respect in this comunity for YEARS! A RANK APOSTATE according to your precious prophet.

And YOU quoting that God don't make junk? Are you still the same person or did some one else get ahold of your login name? Of are you on medication? What ever you are doing, keep it up. But if you do warren will for sure never let you back in. Lets see, I think that sin is "sympathizing with the apostates".


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Ah, you didn't know me, did you.



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Hey Mr. Street,

I too have noticed a gentler side. I still have questions (cause I got this college thing going on, I guess). Anyway, I know you are a guy who loves scripture. Help poor old Tammy out:

Ephesians - Chapter 5:31-32

31. As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one."
32. This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.

I do not understand how the polygamy way of life fits in with that. To me the having more than one spouse would be sinful, if one looks at the scripture above. In addition, i think it is sinful and "like an animal" to have relations with more than one person. What does your teachings say of this?

I know you were talking about this "Trinity" of natures.Let's see: animal, human and divine is how I believe you called it. Where does one look in the bible for such an explaination?

If I don't get an answer, I will not ask you again, but I am just very interested in learning how you come by your faithful beliefs.
tammyl


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degrees of glory, Trestial, Telestial, and Celestial. as spoken of in 'mormon' scripture
And the answer to the "two shall be as one", the man is to have this close relationship with each of his wives.
Sorry for butting in on streets question but I got tired of waiting for him and I've got to go. would still be interesting to see how he would explain it. I'm sure he could and will go into much greater detail and include quotes.



The sripture says a man leaves his mother and father and is joined to his wife and the two are united into one. It doesn't say anything about successive unions or more than one wife or Trestial, Telestial and Celestial.

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Hey Tammy, what if I call everyone Mr. Tammy, Mr. Lori, Miss Cactus, and so on. Doesn't fit, does it.
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Look deeper Tammy, and reveiw the past posts. It's all there. No sense in rehashing everything to much. You know full well that it says plenty about 'successive unions', or else you just don't have a Bible or Doctrine and Covenants, and don't want one. Successive unions and degrees of glory is what those Books and God's word is all about.

However, you don't have to accept it. If you are doing things in private that distract you and draw you from the scriptures, and the love of God, that would explain it. "The things of God are understood ONLY by the Spirit of God." And how do you get that? "The Spirit of God cannot dwell in an unclean temple." So if that's what you've accepted and have joy in it, nothing further can be done. You've chosen your master.
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Hey, I'm just as curious as everyone else (about him).
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is it possible for you to say why Warren Jeffs gave you the boot? I know, I know, you've got to maintain your anonymousness. After what I have been postin on this board the last couple days, I bet my hubby wishes I would not let my fingers do so much typing!
Tammyl


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Hey Tammy, what if I call everyone Mr. Tammy, Mr. Lori, Miss Cactus, and so on. Doesn't fit, does it.
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Are you saying you are female? Or are you mocking my lack of formalized education? Saying Mr. or Miss or Mrs. was taught to me by my mother and father as a sign of respect. It does seem to me that you would find more fault with some of the others whose disdain for you they make very apparant. i have not behaved in that way. Is it easier to pick on those with lesser defenses? Or is it that when the questions become uncomfortable, you feel this will draw attention away.

To your other post. I understand about the successive unions in the old testament, but thought this was not favored after the time of Jesus. BTW, I know my spiritual life is pleasing to God.There is joy in that for me.
tammyl


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Female, or. . . There you go. Not uncomfortable at all. It just seemed you were rehashing the same questions, even after they were answered. Your effort to respect others is admirable.
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Successive unions not favored after Christ? Christ had many intimate women around him, and several Jewish texts have proven that these were his wives. Besides, "The Gospel is the same today, yesterday, and forever.


Tammy:
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Successive unions not favored after Christ? Christ had many intimate women around him, and several Jewish texts have proven that these were his wives. Besides, "The Gospel is the same today, yesterday, and forever.
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Glad you were not trying to mock. It would surprise me very much if you were a woman, as the women I have talked to who live FLDS all say there is not much formal education for the female.

I am not trying to rehash, but I do not find the answers you have given to be adequate to explain the discrepencies I see with your doctrine.
One more scripture and I am off to bed...
1 Timothy 3:2:

Therefore a bishop must be irreproachable, married only once, temperate, self-controlled, decent, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not aggressive, but gentle, not contentious, not a lover of money.

I do not think Warren Jeffs measures up to these standards. There is more of a lesson though, and that is that it is important to treat people with gentleness, not to be overly aggressive and mean even if you think your point is infallable. Sometimes in our piety we can forget that humility.

Respectfully,
Tammyl
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I think everyone has pretty well tumbled to the fact that IMJustCurious is "OntheStreet". But he (or she, whatever) has been posting as Curious for a couple weeks without the problems that caused me to Bannish him/her. I E-Mailed a couple times asking him/her to e-mail me and discuss things, but no dice. So, I think I might as well unbannish him. Of course I can redo it at any time, but the way things been going, hell, pretty soon we'll all be sitting in a circle up at the Colorado City Park singing Kum Bay Ya and passing wives around.
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but the way things been going, hell, pretty soon we'll all be sitting in a circle up at the Colorado City Park singing Kum Bay Ya and passing wives around.
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This increased civility is all part of a Buddhist conspiracy.

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This increased civility is all part of a Buddhist conspiracy.Chasmo
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I do not think we would all be passing wifes around. I would not. I do not believe in adultry. You may Jim, I would not, and unless you brought your wifes, you would not be trading any ones wifes. You could bring your friends, and they might pass wives around, but I do not believe in that. A man loses his wives, by comitting adultry, or abusing the ones he has.

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I do not think we would all be passing wifes around. I would not. I do not believe in adultry. You may Jim, I would not, and unless you brought your wifes, you would not be trading any ones wifes. You could bring your friends, and they might pass wives around, but I do not believe in that. A man loses his wives, by comitting adultry, or abusing the ones he has.
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Who invited you anyway? You don't know anything about Buddhism and you have no sense of humor. Besides that you won't even admit when you make a mistake.
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Here is a little something for Christians who are about to attend a Buddhist Sing Along -
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You're invited Ruth. That sing-along will be mine, and yes she does have an amazing sense of humor. It's just, you see Jim, there really is no humor in the very suggestion of passing ones wives to corrupt souls who would only corrupt them. This is kind of how those who lost their wives lost them, due to this very corruption, although perhaps in solitary confinement. Yes, there could be some humor in what you say, but you forget easilly. You're dealing with a people and angels and a God who are dead serious about the souls of men, even though others are not. Finally, Ruth will confess in her own time, not when and how we dictate to her. Give her space. Even though anyone can start a forum, you Jim have done that here, and I think some people are starting to appreciate that a little. There's alot of good in you, but we won't play games with your soul, or anyone else's. Sometimes it may seem like we do, but I don't think that was your intent at all. It's just that sometimes you seem a little harsh.
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Hey, harsh too is good, if it keeps us awake. God is over all that we do. The polygamist God over all the earth moves you in mysterious ways.


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As for gentleness, a lamb has its place, as does a lion. Christ was both, most intimate and violent as the needs arose. Did he not violently tear up a trade show in the temple, and damn many to hell in saying: "I will declare unto you, I never knew you." You are quite correct, humilty is in fact crucial, for the meek shall inherit the earth. The trick is in carrying out a proper violent act in humility. Try that on for size. Yes, quite a lesson.

Just briefly on Paul. He asked: Can not us apostles lead about a wife as well as others? He and all the New Testament writers also said things that you will find pointing to a plurality, and how can God or gods in embryo prepare to create new worlds and populate them WITH ONE WOMAN! Ouch! That's alot of hatching for one poor soul. You're not being very gentle, even to your own kind.

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Reply to : tammylAh, then you haven't read through all my posts then, or if so, not very carefully. But, maybe tomorrow when I have more time I canaddressit again, briefly.
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No sir (ma'am), I did read through your posts. I understand that you think your logic is infallible, I just do not find it scrupulously truthful as you do. Lest we will disaggree. As I said before, I am very sure about my relationship with my Creator. In the end that's what matters. I just am uncomfortable that your narrowness of thought on religion, makes you always fearful and worried about your place in the next life. I do believe in grace , but I also believe we are charged with assisting our fellow man in this life. Not to sit in judgement but to be a beacon of light and hope. I dare say, what you have said is not hopeful. It does seem impossible. As you have said before, "you is you and me is me". I know you think I don't look at what you say, but that's not correct.

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Thats why Lori said "MORMON" scripture Tammy......................I think Im now dumber for having read your reply.

Out of the vein,
This does very much have application to you:

Therefore a bishop must be irreproachable, married only once, temperate, self-controlled, decent, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not aggressive, but gentle, not contentious, not a lover of money.

Live the scripture! (but if it does give you some air of superiority to condemn others, it is your soul).

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Tammy don't sweat Out Of My Vein. People who are not secure, put on a big show of how superior they are. They enjoy calling other people names or being just downright disrespectful. It is supposed to hide the inferiorty thing. Maybe they get away with it sometimes, but to me it speaks volumes about what goes on inside, and about their true character (or lack thereof).

I enjoy your posts very much Tammy, because you speak of your strength of conviction, but try very hard to see the perspecive of others. Don't feel bad because you do not come to the same conclusions as they draw. Keep studying and learning. I am impressed with your insight! For a woman who says she hasn't had much education, you certainly have a keen intellect in my book. What you may or may not lack in grammar should be the least of your concerns. I do see you as a very "together" kind of person. I predict you will go far in this life. I know that, I for one, could take a lesson from you. Book smarts isn't everything, not even close to everything.

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I suppose that means blood atonement?
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The trick is in carrying out a proper violent act in humility. Try that on for size. Yes, quite a lesson.
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Yes, curious, you've definetely gotten my attention too. Could you expand a bit on your concept of a proper violent act?
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I do thank you for your kind words Memargo, but I truly don't feel bad.

Street/Curious: "Violent humility" is that not jjust a euphemism for violence. If you do promote violence for your cause/beliefs, call it what it is. The definition of humility is:

The state or quality of being humble; freedom from pride and arrogance; lowliness of mind; a modest estimate of one's own worth; a sense of one's own unworthiness through imperfection and sinfulness; self-abasement; humbleness.

A person who has humility, or is humble, would not act violently because that is the exact opposite of the character they posess. I do not feel that it is my place to be violent with anyone, even when they do not agree with me. You said that Jesus behaved in that way, but Jesus is Jesus and you are you.

I might bop someone on the head if they tried to injure me, my husband or my children, but not for any other reason. A lot of violence is done in the name of the religion. This is sinful!

If you believe that violence is okay in the name of your religion, you are a dangerous person. I did think more of you than that, so I do hope I merely misunderstand.
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I'm with you Tammy. Here's the Buddhist take on it:
I don't presume to represent an official position of the Buddhist religion. This is just my understanding of it.

In general Buddhists are prepared to defend themselves. In fact, there is a long venerable tradition of martial arts practices based on Buddhist principles, such as Tai Quan Do and Kung Fu. My understanding of the Buddhist philosophy is that one always seeks in every situation to leave the situation saner and more balanced than when one encountered it. To the extent possible always seek a win win outcome.
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-The Art of War- was written by a Chinese author (long ago). It explains that many battles can be won without any confrontaion at all. The information advantage is usually more important than a superior strength.
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-The Art of War- was written by a Chinese author (long ago). It explains that many battles can be won without any confrontaion at all. The information advantage is usually more important than a superior strength.
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This is not an abstract question, as most of you well know. There are persistant rumors that Warren claims the right to perform Blood Atonement. This is one of the old teachings that Joseph Smith brotught forth, Brigham Young practiced, and various fundamentalists have indulged in ever since. The LeBaron group murdered over 30 people. They had close ties with the Colorado City group. I have no doubt that some of the posters on this board have ties fo one kind or another to the LeBarons. Violence is a very real possibility with Warren and his followers.
http://www.hismin.com/lebaron.html
http://www.exmormon.org/violence.htm
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That's one of your best disinformations yet. It only works if you blame the victims. I guess one could wonder just how responsible they really were for being "believers".
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Cactus Jim
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That's one of your best disinformations yet. It only works if you blame the victims. I guess one could wonder just how responsible they really were for being "believers".
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What do you consider disnformation? Tell me what part of it you don't beleive. Are you goig to tell me the LeBarons didn't kill anyone? Or are you going to claim that blood atonement is a myth. Come on, Say, Where is the disinformation?
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sayitaintso
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Where is the disinformation?
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For starters I don't want to leave the impression that I think it is a good idea. I belive that kind of judgment should be left in the hands of God. Which is really what that was all about. Secondly, even by it's own standards, unless the "receiver" is a willing participant it should be called what it really is: murder, no matter what god they claim to be pleasing. Thirdly, don't blame "the group" for what some kooky extreemist does, (including warren). It's sick. Unless you think the war in Iraq and the holocaust was also justifiable somehow. Maybe it was God doing His justice, but "wo to them by whom they (the offenses) come." Being vulneralbe may be stupid, but it isn't the crime.

"Invention is the mother of nessesity"... lol sometimes that means the facts too?
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the "receiver" is a willing participant
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I suppose that means blood atonement?

MY Reponse: You assume grossly wrong. So many false assumptions, and welping like a dog with its tail between its legs whenever someone suggests some repentance of our sins and improving our lives, and then like Tammy blaming people of violence for strict adherence to good living. Christ and prophets and saints are VIOLENT against sin. We don't cuddle with it, like you do. I guess that's the main difference between us, spawning a host of other differences in its wake. He says, Tammy: "I will DESTROY the wicked nations." So do you accuse your Lord of violence, even genocide! Really! I'm not sure that really is your intent. Then don't do it. Allow, even welcome, the strictness of a people against the sins between husbands and wives. Then your divorce rate will be like ours (zero), and your excommunication rate very high (for your Lord promises that "few there be that find it," and "I never knew you. Get ye hense, ye cursed." That is your Lord speaking.


Sayitaintso:
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S'aintso and 'Curious, you're scaring me.Chasmo
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Don't lump us together... lol

But thats the reason you don't need to worry.
It's really just disgusting sensationalism to even be having a discussion on this topic as if it were relevant. I think it is just more of the scaremongering.

Chaster
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Don't lump us together... lol But thats the reason you don't need to worry.
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OK sorry, S'aintso. That's a relief. Now, if I could only get 'Curious to say that too, I'd be all set.
By the way, what's LOL? Live in the Lord? Land o' Lakes? Lighten Our Load? Love it Or Leave it? Laugh Out Loud?

Also, I'm sorry that I took S'aintso out of context in that quote "the 'subject' is a willing participatnt." The full context was "If I had totally taken leave of my senses, I'd justify blood atonement on the basis that the subject is a willing participant." Sorry I misrepresented you there, S'aintso.
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OK sorry, S'aintso. That's a relief. Now, if I could only get 'Curious to say that too, I'd be all set.By the way, what's LOL? Live in the Lord? Land o' Lakes? Lighten Our Load? Love it Or Leave it? Laugh Out Loud?Also, I'm sorry that I took S'aintso out of context in that quote "the 'subject' is a willing participatnt." The full context was "If I had totally taken leave of my senses, I'd justify blood atonement on the basis that the subject is a willing participant." Sorry I misrepresented you there, S'aintso.Chasmo
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sayitaintso
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" The full context was "If I had totally taken leave of my senses, I'd justify blood atonement on the basis that the subject is a willing participant."
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That's it. He died for us all, but he doesn't say he will save all (in the same kingdom). What he does say is: "In my Father's house are many mansions." And he's the one who chooses who shall live and who shall die, in the work of the Lord. Man doesn't decide that, and when they do it's not proper violence, it's murder. Right guys? You all still chewin the cud? Chew on this one.
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Curious said: You see Jim, there really is no humor in the very suggestion of passing ones wives to corrupt souls who would only corrupt them...Yes, there could be some humor in what you say
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Which you completely missed. If you knew anything about Buddhism you'd have known that they are celibate. That was the joke. Get it?
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Not only is this a complete crock. It's stupid and cruel to even insinuate. The passing around to corrupt souls was done by warren.
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Ahh, we see that you was caught too (or someone dear to you), and properly handled. Whatever you did, now THAT was certainly "a bunch of crock," as you well stated it. Sayitaintso (okay, what you say aint so), here is what Jim actually said, and I quote (paste) it directly: ". . .pretty soon we'll all be sitting in a circle up at the at the Colorado City Park singing Kum Bay Ya and passing wives around." (END QUOTE). Is CC Buddhism, or is it fundamental Mormonism-Christianity? And to that point, do you not believe in the fundamentals of life and of scripture? Oh, boy, how's he gunny wiggly out a that one?


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Oh, boy, how's he gunny wiggly out a that one?


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Wiggle, Wiggle, Wiggle. Yup, he wiggled out. Now, how about a germain response.



TOPIC: COMUTE, HERE’S A SONG FOR YOU:

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It seems like you are not happy enough. Here is something to make you be happy.


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Hilarious! I'm so happy I could spit. Who sings that? Was it after Cum-Bah-Ya around the campfire?
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Imjustcurious
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Hilarious! I'm so happy I could spit. Who sings that? Was it after Cum-Bah-Ya around the campfire?
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Right. Kind of cute, and juvenile
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Reply to : RadshackHilarious! I'm so happy I could spit. Who sings that? Was it after Cum-Bah-Ya around the campfire? Curious said: Right. Kind of cute, and juvenile
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It's from the old Ren and Stimpy show. http://www.bitstorm.org/happyjoy/ You are certainly right, it is very juvinile, which is what makes it fun.
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Date Posted: 05/20/2005 11:36 AM
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Uncle Marion was a fine man. Thousands looked up to him. When you get that grip on reality though, squeeze her gently.
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Yeah, what's that acronym for fine? Fcuked up, irrational, neurotic and emotional. I'm not saying he didn't have his good qualities, but he was an abusive father. If you admire men like that - it's you that needs a reality check.
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I'm not saying he didn't have his good qualities, but he was an abusive father. If you admire men like that - it's you that needs a reality check.
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It's so typical of polygamous men to pat each other and the back while they do "dirty deeds" behind the scenes, like molest their children, abuse women, cheat on their taxes, raise unneducted and abused families on taxpayer dollars, etc. Such FINE upstanding citizens these polygamists.
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If he is coming under attack like this I seriously have to ask myself if I want to be a part of this forum. I'm sure that makes Laude happy. I have a hard time tolerating attacks on him or Bro. Johnson.
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If he is coming under attack like this I seriously have to ask myself if I want to be a part of this forum. I'm sure that makes Laude happy. I have a hard time tolerating attacks on him or Bro. Johnson.
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That's not true, it wouldn't make me happy if you quit the forum. The more kooks around here the better.
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That's not true, it wouldn't make me happy if you quit the forum. The more kooks around here the better.Laude777
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Thats a witty rebuttal Laude.
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Reply to : Laude777That's not true, it wouldn't make me happy if you quit the forum. The more kooks around here the better.Laude777Thats a witty rebuttal Laude.
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Date Posted: 05/20/2005 5:08 PM
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But at the same time I know that I, along with many of you, am considered to be an enemy of Warren's church. If he gave the word there are at least a thousand of his followers who would take up the knife.
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Soo... is your will in order? Just kidding. But I think you have over-rated yourself as a threat.
Imjustclueless OnTheStreet is the one who should really begin to worry. With friends like him, who needs enemas?
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Out in the Vain said: OK I'm confused. That sounds like you are making a proclamation of perfection Curious. Don't tell me you don't cuddle with sin......such a statement is almost laughable. And who's this we stuff. Are you speaking for all those who believe in plural marriage, because I can guarantee you I'm not perfect, and I'm not violent against those who aren't. Learn your religion idiot.

Right on, you're "CONFUSED." So well put, vain man. I didn't say "violent against THOSE. I said "violent against SIN." Pretty basic kindergarten level of reading. "We contend NOT against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, powers, and rulers of darkness, and against spiritual wickedness in high places." Learn your religion WHO? Now, as for the FLDS not cuddling sin, and how that is laughable to you: Many were sexually and otherwise abusing their wives and the single girls in the community, and the Prophet wouldn't cuddle with em. Booted em out, see! If cuddling with sin is a laughing matter with you all, as you say, then that certainly makes a big difference between us and you, and between an elect people and outcasts, and between life and death. By the way, I'm outcast, or so you thought. See how erroneous. Furthermore, you say you laugh about a proclamation of perfection. "Be ye perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Mt. 5:45). That is your Redeemer speaking. Again, "I do not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance." That is your Redeemer speaking. Laughable!!! "I will say to you, I never knew you." (Mt. 7:23). Your Lord, your Savior, your Redeemer, your life, your only hope, your all, you laugh at it?
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You're right, Jim. I'm sure you realize by now that those other groups never were like the FLDS. Alot of the media keeps calling us "a quiet and peaceful and hard-working people." Other media calls us other things. I just like to say, just don't call me late for supper, for your redeemer and mine is going to have a supper. See, the whole atonement thing is up to God, always has been with us. Only the "self-proclaimed" get different messages, get their brain-wires crossed. Right, Jim? Joseph, Brigham, and all the FLDS prophets taught blood atonement. Hey, so did the Old Testament prophets, and New. Christ is the atonement, and he atoned for all except. . . yes, all except. You know the story, the scripture. Those who don't know it, don't want to. They're guilty of something.

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Imjustcurious
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She answered that 10,000 times. I wouldn't blame here for just ignoring most of the posts in here. She'd rather be HAPPY, like Jim's song: "Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy.
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Her father is Jack.
Ruth may not post here for a while because she's mad at me. I called her down for screaming "Filthy Liar" everytime someone says anything she doesn't want to hear. So she's going off to sulk.
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Her father is Jack. Ruth may not post here for a while because she's mad at me. I called her down for screaming "Filthy Liar" every time someone says anything she doesn't want to hear. So she's going off to sulk.
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She'll sulk for awhile and then come back with a blitzkrieg of poems and verse. Yep, that's our Ruth.
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Hey Jim. You're a FILTHY LIAR. There, now sulk a little. Then lash out just because someone says "anything she doesn't want to hear. So she's going off to sulk.ulk a little," like Jim.

Hey Jim. "Filthy Liar" is angelic music compared to the language you see in all the forums and weblogs. Geees, man, that's no crime, and certainly nothing to call someone on, because you have to trump your 'Authority". Now you're like what you blame Warren Jeffs of being. Ahh, twasn't him at all you were describing, just from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaking.
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We don't cuddle with it, like you do. I guess that's the main difference between us,...
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Could you please define to whom you refer to by "we" and "us"?
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May 22 (Retrieved posts 2-days later):

Comute (Ruth) in Question For Ruth thread:
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And Jim Ashurst, I agree, you are not in my leuge. You email people threats behind there back. I asked you once I will ask you again, Delete every thing I have said, or that you have said about me, from your forum. Be a good little boy and erase me entirely.
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Cactus Jim
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Date Posted: 05/21/2005 8:45 PM

Threats behind their back? I e-mailed you that if you didn't extend an apology for the names you called me and Flora over your not knowing Clyde was polyg I'd put it back on the forum. Jeez, I'm sorry. I didn't realize how terrifying such a threat is. I hope you are able to recover from the PST I've caused you.

I realize I am really in the wrong here. I can understand why you hate me so much. For me to suggest that you acknowledge when you make a mistake - Jeez, how could I be so abusive? I realize now I was trying to project my personal standards on you and since you are subject to a higher morality, nobody should expect you to ever acknowledge error. I'm sorry for that.

Yea, sure. I'l get right on deleting the 400 or so posts you've made right after dinner, and I hope I can figure out which of the anonymous ones are yours. Sure thing. Right away.

I guess I better change my signature for you too. I realize now that "Be Excellent to each other" is contrary and offensive to your religion. I hope that hasn't cause you too much angst.
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JIM, Just do not forget, you said you will delete all my posts. If you do this you also have my apoligy. I should not be to dificult to erase 400 posts, And according to some, you should be able to tell all the anonimouse ones too. I think they said I wrote with a certain style.
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Oh yea, Sure. When I said I'd delete your posts I was as sincere as the prophet himself when he said he'd never married an underage girl. I'll get on it real soon.
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Stop Polygabuse - Disk 4

STREET’S STRING thread

Chaster
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Replyto : Imjustcurious______________________________________________________________________________________ So do you accuse your Lord of violence, even genocide!No, I do not, but lest you forget you are not the Lord, so what is your point? Bottom line, I think your faith in your Creator is very strong. Unlike you for me, I can sense this in you even though are beliefs are very different. That is my "humility" speaking. I sense that in your case, mixed in with this religious fervor is equal parts of hate, intolerance and judgement.Allow, even welcome, the strictness of a people against the sins between husbands and wives.As I have made abundantly clear, I live my life quite a bit "stricter" than most, and what I have with my husband is a
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Tammy, right on. So right on the money.

chasmo
Thank you Chasmo, but I do feel like a bit of a meanie!
Hey, I got on that Texas Blog site, and the Street thread has disappeared. What happened?
I guess the biggest lesson I have learned from this site is that none of us are immune to being indoctrinated in an unhealthy way. Furthermore, you are truly at the mercy of where you start out in life. I dare say if I grew up in Iraq, I would be Muslim- maybe if I grew up in Utah, I would be Mormon (I hope I would have enough power to reject this FLDS spin on Mormon), but there you have it. Probably none of us are as "objective" as we seem. There is some truth to hanging on to what is familiar and to believing what you have always been told. The difference I guess is degree. My parents had their beliefs, but at some point in time they allowed me to find my truth. In the FLDS, this does not appear to be an option. It seems to be either a religion of great pain, or none at all. I am glad I see shades of gray.
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If every man were able to procreate, the numbers would be much more staggering than one man, trying to keep up the stamina with 50 women, and without pashion no less. Give me a break. This makes no sense!
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It's fun to read your posts because you're really getting the numbers. Polygamists never learned how to count (math), and the upper echelon doesn't want anybody to learn.
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Very interesting how commute had such a powerful posting on becomming one with God, and she linked it with Love. Yet so much of what is happening has nothing to do with love. If there was truely this idea of love right now none of the mothers who have left would be fighting for their children, none of those who left would have to wonder if they could call, none of them would have to think twice about helping someone else out. See when you leave and you are not longer a part of the whole, you are not allowed to have any piece and if you try to take some anyhow you may not suffer but the recipients will. Thats not Love. Chew on that
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Very interesting how commute had such a powerful posting on becomming one with God, and she linked it with Love. Yet so much of what is happening has nothing to do with love. If there was truely this idea of love right now none of the mothers who have left would be fighting for their children, none of those who left would have to wonder if they could call, none of them would have to think twice about helping someone else out. See when you leave and you are not longer a part of the whole, you are not allowed to have any piece and if you try to take some anyhow you may not suffer but the recipients will. Thats not Love. Chew on that
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That's so true. People who have been victims of mind-control for decades don't have a clear concept of what love is. They have a distorted view of so many things, like spirituality, politics, family values, inter-personal relationships, communication, and so on.

What has happened to Comute is criminal, and many of these fundamentalists should be locked up, especially the upper echelon. Some of these men are hard-core criminals. And I just love the way our AGs cater to polygamists, hold rallys for them, and act like they're okay.

Whatever happened to rounding up lawbreakers and tossing them in jail?

What we have in the AZ & Utah legislatures are a bunch of innefectual beauracrats incapable of making a decision or enforcing the law.

But this will change soon.

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tammyl
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Tammyl:It's fun to read your posts because you're really getting the numbers. Polygamists never learned how to count (math), and the upper echelon doesn't want anybody to learn.Laude777

Thanks Laude777
I hope it is also getting easier to read my posts. I am trying hard to spell, punctuate and have a clear message all at once. Boy is this difficult. I just have to slow it down.
What happened to Street...did it get too hot in the kitchen? His thread has been pulled from that Texas Blog, does anybody know why? Has he truly jumped off the deep end.? I do truly hope not. I wouldn't want to think we put him over the edge or something. I truly see some torment in his expressions. I think he is trying singlehadedly to keep a sinking ship afloat. That "ship" may be the slim grasp he has on reality. No more dime-store philosphy. I do wish he would tell use what is going on. I do not dislike him, but I surely do fail miserably to understand him.

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What happened to Street...did it get too hot in the kitchen? His thread has been pulled from that Texas Blog, does anybody know why? Has he truly jumped off the deep end.?
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I don't know what happened to Street, maybe he's out in the desert recieving revelation from god, or building an ark, or setting up a kingdom somewhere.

That poor guy is the opposite of my cousin who committed suicide because a lot of people thought he was the One Mighty and Strong.

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sayitaintso
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I do wish he would tell use what is going on. I do not dislike him, but I surely do fail miserably to understand him.
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Don't take it personal. He is incoherent. All of the Fundamentalist groups always have a few a$$taroid satellites like him locked (cast out)into sychronous orbit. Don't try to chart and compass by them. You can always tell by how they try to talk down to you(everyone). But from the bottom.?
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I certainly agree with that, Tammy. To my mind we are still very much primates even with our nifty tools and advanced human culture and such. I'd certainly never attempt to represent myself as anything else. I do try to be a good primate though.

One of my fundamentalist-leaning relatives recently screamed at me (via email fortunately) that I was lowering myself to the level of animals by this view. No, I tried to explain, I'm not in any way "dissing" the wonderful achievement of human culture and civilization. To see ourselves as animals isn't to throw all that away but to see ourselves in a larger context. We are of the earth. We are of the cosmos. This broader view gives us humility. It helps us to understand ourselves better. It helps us to have a better society.

The fundamentalistic view, take any fundamentalist view you like - Christian, Jewish, Muslim, to my mind is a very narrow view that doesn't see us in this larger context. There's nature there and there's people here, completely disconnected from one another. That's why making big messes within natural systems is of so little concern to a fundamentalist. God just gave us that to have dominion over. That all it's for. There's no sense of our dependence on its health and well being for our very survival.

Has there ever been any bunch of fundamentalists anywhere in any time who were good stewards of their environment?

In the Indian hieragliphs (I need a spell checker) around here there's this one image you see again and again. There's this head connected to this body via a very long neck. The head and body are way far apart. I don't know what they were trying to say by that image; but, to me, it reminds me of a philosphy that is way way disconnected from nature and from ourselves.

The Mormons who settled this state came quite close to wrecking it by over-grazing it, over-logging it, and over-populating it. Fortunately for us, around the turn of the century, there was this unusual champion of the environment in Teddy Roosevelt. His policies bought us a century, but I kind of wonder whether we'll make it through another century. We sure as heck need another Teddy Roosevelt in this country. Either that or we need to cultivate within ourselves a more advanced culture. We're going backwards. We're going back to the 19th century. But this is just one of my favorite tirades I'm going off on now.

On 'Curious me too. I wish him well. We depend on him getting well. See, that's the thing of being human. Like it or not, we're together. We need each other. We need each other well.
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To see ourselves as animals isn't to throw all that away but to see ourselves in a larger context. We are of the earth. We are of the cosmos. This broader view gives us humility. It helps us to understand ourselves better. It helps us to have a better society.
I agree. It's when we see ourselves as the big Alpha Male stud monkey that causes the problems.
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I agree. It's when we see ourselves as the big Alpha Male stud monkey that causes the problems.
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To see ourselves as animals isn't to throw all that away but to see ourselves in a larger context. We are of the earth. We are of the cosmos. This broader view gives us humility. It helps us to understand ourselves better. It helps us to have a better society.
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Oh Laude Laude Laude. Don't you know that a wolf is but a sheep from a broken home
No, that's just the stereotype of the typical "Anti-God liberal".
Ok here is what we really have to say on the subject of wolves. I speak for all liberals everywhere. I'm the gosh darned spokesperson for liberals. The official liberal stance on wolves is: we're a lot like them. They're canines and we're primates, which aren't separated in time by all that much in terms of geologic time.
What can one say in defense of predators? Not a whole lot.

I guess the best defense was presented by the late Samuel Clemons in I think it was "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer". Correct me if I'm wrong, Cactus.

Remember where the two scoundrel con artist Lords were tarred and feathered? How ashamed we were of the human race at times? I throw my gender at your mercy, Laude. We're but miserable scoundrels like those two Lords, miserable scoundrels.
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I throw my gender at your mercy, Laude. We're but miserable scoundrels like those two Lords, miserable scoundrels.

Big mistake Chasmo, She doesn't have any mercy. (for men) but they can be useful animals occasionally.
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Big mistake Chasmo, She doesn't have any mercy. (for men) but they can be useful animals occasionally.

Yeah, like when you're trying to move heavy furniture. hee hee
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I throw my gender at your mercy, Laude. We're but miserable scoundrels like those two Lords, miserable scoundrels.
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You're not a miserable scoundrel...a Scalewag maybe. How many shots of Tequila did you have last night?
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Yeah, like when you're trying to move heavy furniture. hee hee
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Just two. I swear.
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Reply to : Laude777Yeah, like when you're trying to move heavy furniture. hee heeI'd be glad to help you with your furniture, there, 'Sevens. Chasmo ___________

You're tempting me, you little Budhist devil. Remember, I'm already in love with you. Then to think that you drink TEQUILA! Olé!!!
Ever been to Hussongs in Ensenada?
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Tammy Said: That is my "humility" speaking. I sense that in your case, mixed in with this religious fervor is equal parts of hate, intolerance and judgement.Allow, even welcome, the strictness of a people against the sins between husbands and wives.As I have made abundantly clear, I live my life quite a bit "stricter" than most, and what I have with my husband is a . . .

STREET'S Reply: "Equal parts of hate"? "This six things doth God HATE!" Ah, yes, equal parts of hate, saith the Lord himself. "Intolerance"? "I do not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance", saith the Lord. "Judgement?" "Judge righteously", saith the Lord. Tammy then says. . ."But you are not God."

"Be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect," saith the Lord. Every child when in their right mind, strives to be like their parent, if the parent is a good parent, which I believe you are sometimes, when you hate, are intolerant, and judgemental against the crimes that plague families and souls.


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If every man were able to procreate, the numbers would be much more staggering than one man, trying to keep up the stamina with 50 women, and without pashion no less. Give me a break. This makes no sense!

STREET'S Reply: Worlds are populated by one man. Figure that one out. God and his faithful elect have the stamina of millions, much less 50, and God is a God with parts and passions. So it isn't without passion, it is without sin. No, you give ME a break, and try to make more sense.


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Be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect," saith the Lord. Every child when in their right mind, strives to be like their parent, if the parent is a good parent, which I believe you are sometimes, when you hate, are intolerant, and judgemental against the crimes that plague families and souls.
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Street,
You are not the Lord. Really, you are not. Men do sin from time to time. What you do is try to point everyone else's "transgressions" with a piousness that says "I Lord Street am above you". Street, you are just a man, and from what I have observed are as sinful a man as the next.

There is a certain "vanity" in your posting:
Vanity: feelings of excessive pride
Even when you changed your name to get around Jim's rules, you still wanted people to know you are 'the great Street" What does the bible say of vanity?

Job 15:35 They conceive mischief, and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit
Psalms 94;11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they [are] vanity.
Psalms 144:8 Whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand [is] a right hand of falsehood.

You show no true "caring" for the people you talk to on this sight, you merely have a need to prove yourself morally superior time after time. God knows your true heart. Remember that.
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Right, I have sinned. That's what I've just said, and said many times. In fact, I am the worst of sinners. Many pray and say: "Lord, I thank thee that I am not a sinner like him," and I pray: "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner." Yes, "everything under the sun, all is vain", saith the Ecclesiast.


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I said: Worlds are populated by one man
Mahalo said: Name one.....beside yours.
Okay: Look up! If it is day, you'll need to find a well and go deep. If it is night, you need only look up. The worlds, besides mine, that are populated by one man, are stretched out before you like a blanket at night.


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Right, I have sinned. That's what I've just said, and said many times. In fact, I am the worst of sinners. Many pray and say: "Lord, I thank thee that I am not a sinner like him," and I pray: "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner." Yes, "everything under the sun, all is vain", saith the Ecclesiast.
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Laude777
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The worlds, besides mine, that are populated by one man, are stretched out before you like a blanket at night.
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Yawn...ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Laudy, my little girl. I know my posts are so hypnotic that they put you right to sleep. I go now. You sleep well.


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Laudy, my little girl. I know my posts are so hypnotic that they put you right to sleep. I go now. You sleep well.
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Mahalo222
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I interrupt that to mean - only in your dreams, buddy. See, I have to interrupt what you say because most of it makes NO F__KING SENSE!

What visibly lays out before us in the night sky, are stars that scientists have proved harbor no life. That's not to say that there isn't life out there somewhere, but I can guarantee you know nothing about it.
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chaster
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Reply to : Imjustcurious I interrupt that to mean - only in your dreams, buddy. See, I have to interrupt what you say because most of it makes NO F__KING SENSE!
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Good one, Mahalo. Flowery cryptic prose with a dash of lucidity here and there is deep in only one sense: deep deep doo doo.

No, 'Curious. Keep it simple and direct. Why make it a mystery what you're talking about? The whole point is to communicate, not obfuscate. I mean that in a spirit of constructive criticism.
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OK ON THE STREET thread:
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I am rubber and you are glue, bounces off me and sticks on you.
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STREET' s Reply: Ah, yes, the beer or horses (and of course their behinds, all of the horse is beautiful).
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...horses (and of course their behinds, all of the horse is beautiful).
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TODAY’S CHASM thread

Chaster
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Today's Chasm:
The human condition consists of two kinds of hell, the presence of other people, and the absense of other people.
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Today's Chasm: The human condition consists of two kinds of hell, the presence of other people, and the absense of other people. Chasmo
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Curious Reply: Well said of YOUR condition. The human condition in Zion consists of three kinds of heaven:
1. The presence of God in his Son
2. The presence of the Son in the Holy Spirit
3. The presence of the Holy Spirit in the prophet


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Reply to : chasterToday's Chasm:The human condition consists of two kinds of hell, the presence of other people, and the absense of other people.ChasmoCurious Reply: Well said of YOUR condition. The human condition in Zion consists of three kinds of heaven: 1. The presence of God in his Son 2. The presence of the Son in the Holy Spirit 3. The presence of the Holy Spirit in the prophet
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The usual abstract mumbo-jumbo invented to jump-start the brains of sheep.
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Chaster
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That's a wonderful thing you've achieved there, 'Curious, if indeed you've achieved it.
By the way, may I ask with respect what you are curious about? It appears that all questions for all time have been pretty much settled for you. Again, congratulations. Never having to think another thought. I guess that saves a lot time and effort.
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chaster
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How I envy you folks in Zion, 'Curious. Things are a mess here outside Zion I'll grant you that. For you higher beings, all you have to do dispel evil is to direct some VIOLENCE toward it and it's gone. Boy oh boy I wish we had it that easy out here outside Zion. For us, whenever we direct VIOLENCE toward our problems, we only make them worse and also create a whole bunch of new problems in the bargain. For us, it takes lots of hard work, patience, love of the actual loving sort, understanding, more patience, and on and on. Even then, it's often a step foreward, two steps backwards. Over centuries we do seem to move ever slightly toward a better society, but there's no gurantee that we're not going to blow the whole deal and set ourselves back and totally lose all that we have gained since the dark ages.

Please take pity on us poor sinners, 'Curious. We do try. We really do want our kids to grow up in a better world. Really, no joking here. Honest.

One thing you folks in Zion could do for us is to try to cut down a bit on the messes you are making for us from your throw away boys and your regugees from abuse and such and your beating us out of the taxes we pay on the wages we get from our miserable slave jobs. That would surely help us out, 'Curious. I mention this request to you, 'Curious, because I know that you do love us, just as Christ loves us.
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Chaster Said: That's a wonderful thing you've achieved there, 'Curious, if indeed you've achieved it.
By the way, may I ask with respect what you are curious about? It appears that all questions for all time have been pretty much settled for you. Again, congratulations. Never having to think another thought. I guess that saves a lot time and effort.
Chasmo

STREET'S Reply: Ahh, yes, my curiosity! Shall I divulge it? Shall I divulge it!!! Okay, you've peaked my curiosity to the point of, of, ummm, divulging it. Curious, I am most curious, about him, for there is a prophet in Zion. Never thinking another thought, but "Serve God with all thy heart, might, mind, and strength."

Yes, I love you.


Mahalo222
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Dear God! I haven't heard that line since I was 14. Some posts should really have "Trauma Trigger" disclosures.
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And you should have been hearing it and living it 14 to 24 times a day, or shall I say every waking hour, and then while you sleep.



ONE THOUSAND WORDS thread:
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Reply to Laude & Cobber post: 05-21-4:09:
Has anything good ever came out of C.C.? If so let me know so I can brighten up the picture a little bit, Gee's wouldnt that be nice once in a while? Fresh new bright paint.

Curious Reply: Very significant! They asked the exact question of Jesus: "Can any good thing come out of Nazareht?" (Jn 1:46).
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Hey,
With out Lord Challen and without Onthestreet, the board is getting little slow in the posting department. How can we liven it up? Seems to me that a lot of the members lurk, but do not post. Stop that. Start posting!
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Hey,With out Lord Challen and without Onthestreet, the board is getting little slow in the posting department. How can we liven it up? Seems to me that a lot of the members lurk, but do not post. Stop that. Start posting!tammyl
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Yeah, I can just feeeeel memargo, Dana1, and a few others peering in, waiting for just the right moment to jump in with their two-cents.

I'm trying to jazz things up with my gig exposé. I know I'll catch a hit or two from Sayitaintso. He's so funny.......(looking...heehee)

C'mon guys, go ahead and blast me with both barrels for being a fool. Let's get this forum ROCKIN."
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I'm trying to jazz things up with my gig exposé. I know I'll catch a hit or two from Sayitaintso. He's so funny.......(looking...heehee)


Funny Looking is my disguise. (but under that i'm just plain-- ugly)But I'm like Laude in that I can't say anything intelligent without compromising my Secret Identity. Then I wouldn't be able to save the work... I mean... world.


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Funny Looking is my disguise. (but under that i'm just plain-- ugly)But I'm like Laude in that I can't say anything intelligent without compromising my Secret Identity. Then I wouldn't be able to save the work... I mean... world.
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Good mornin' Loverboy:
You had it right the first time...save the work.
I'll get to the world later.
Giddyup.
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Laude777
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I can't say anything intelligent without compromising my Secret Identity.
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C'mon, Say, you should tell us more about yourself. You're always commenting about our posts, but you say little about your own experience.
What's to fear? Too shy? Too proud? Too embarrassed? Too angry?
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I don't know what onthestreet's status is. He has been unbanned here. But on the Texas blog I guess he got in a little trouble. They made a thread just for him - on condition that he not reply to anyone else's thread. He violated his parole so they ex'd his thread. He may be off feeling bad or something. But, with Street, you know he'll be baaaack sooner or later.

Anyway, you are right, we need new blood. So I've decided to call up missionaries to go out in the world without purse or scrip to preach the forum. I'll be sending some of the guys off to England. I'll take care of their wives while they are gone so they don't need to worry about that.
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Glad you are so willing to sacrifice for the cause! If you need vitamins, let me know. I have heard that Viagra can put a bounce in your step (or was that a bounce somewhere else?) I'm gonna get myself in trouble, so I'll shut up.
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Laude777
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I'll take care of their wives while they are gone so they don't need to worry about that.
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chaster
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Yeah, S'aintso, which side of then fence are you on? I sometimes read you as on one side and then on the other. What gives?
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I don't know what onthestreet's status is. He has been unbanned here. But on the Texas blog I guess he got in a little trouble. They made a thread just for him - on condition that he not reply to anyone else's thread. He violated his parole so they ex'd his thread. He may be off feeling bad or something. But, with Street, you know he'll be baaaack sooner or later.Anyway, you are right, we need new blood. So I've decided to call up missionaries to go out in the world without purse or scrip to preach the forum. I'll be sending some of the guys off to England. I'll take care of their wives while they are gone so they don't need to worry about that.
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New blood? Are we trying to start a discussion in a new vein? Jim, you have sent out missionaries without a purse. Homeless missionaries, what a novel concept. If you take care of their wives, then you are taking care of their purses

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You've gotten my attention there, KOLOB. These "transcriptions." They don't perhaps involve golden plates and a urim and thumim do they?
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Laude777
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Where'd you come up with the Kolob name, Kolob? It reminds me of a place I've been in Utah.
Are you living behind the Zion curtain?
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No, the person thinks already that they are "Nigh Unto God," which is good, making your heaven right here on earth like they do in the FLDS Church. Kolob is a star higher than our Sun, according to the Book of Abraham. It is said to be "nigh unto God, which makes me think that it is the throne of the Son of God, as the Lord said to our Prophet that Abraham and many others sit on their own thrones. What a sweet idea and plan, to be nigh unto God, and this comes by prayer, gathering, and yearning for zion, according to the word.


Imjustcurious
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I'll take care of their wives while they are gone so they don't need to worry about that.
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Glad you are so willing to sacrifice for the cause! If you need vitamins, let me know. I have heard that Viagra can put a bounce in your step (or was that a bounce somewhere else?) I'm gonna get myself in trouble, so I'll shut up.
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CURIOUS REPLY: You already have (proven your immorality), and are not worthy of any kind of explanations. You just go off and get it off the best you can, for you to mock sacred things like this. You see, this is MONOGABUSE. STOP MONOGABUSE. That's what the Lord undertaking right now.


chaster
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CURIOUS REPLY: You already have (proven your immorality), and are not worthy of any kind of explanations.
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An odd thing I've noticed of every abusive type I've ever encountered, they have emotional glass jaws themselves even more so than their fellows. They tend to be hyper-sensitve to criticism of any kind themselves. You'd think such individuals would have greater empathy to others, but they instead tend to be utterly completely blind to the feelings of others. Odd.



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Imjustcurious
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Your Redeemer said it best: "I do not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance." That's all we're saying, my friends. No 'hypersensitivity against flesh and blood, just the evils that destroy your souls. We love you too much to cuddle up to that, and watch you go down, if there was a way to prevent it. If that's a "lack of empathy," as you say, then maybe the Lord will give you some, or at least allow the adversary of your souls to do it. I think you've all come to see that the FLDS people choose "glass jaws to prevent those crimes in their own society. If that's abusive, what is it to allow those crimes, and to laugh about it, and count it as a joke. The first principle of military science is to recognize the enemy. Otherwise, you're finished.


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.An odd thing I've noticed of every abusive type I've ever encountered, they have emotional glass jaws themselves even more so than their fellows.They tend to be hyper-sensitve to criticism of any kind themselves.
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They don't seem to have much of a sense of humor either.
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Laude777
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Your Redeemer said it best: "I do not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance."
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I wonder what the Redeemer says when he looks down at Calamity City and sees child-molestors, illiteracy, abused women being over-bred and used as chattel, frightened children, in-breeding, welfare fraud, tax-cheating, filthy old men marrying pubescent girls, the cold banishment of hundreds of young lost boys who roam the streets of Utah, thousands of his creations permanently damaged by mind-control, and a slew of other inhumanities....

Get smart and fly right, Street.
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tammyl
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CURIOUS REPLY: You already have (proven your immorality), and are not worthy of any kind of explanations. You just go off and get it off the best you can, for you to mock sacred things like this. You see, this is MONOGABUSE. STOP MONOGABUSE. That's what the Lord undertaking right now.
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Hey Mr. or Mrs. Curious/Street. I knew my last post would get your attention and would incite your wrath. You know what I find interestin though? When I pore my heart out to you on this board and attempt to have an honest diskussion about an honest question that I have about your religous beliefs, you don't always find the need/desire to answer my questions.

It seems to take some "off hand", "spur of the moment" type of comment to get your response. It is as if you are waiting for something upon which to pounce.

Curious, since I know you are scripture liking kind of guy, and just so you know I do read my bible, I will quote another passage for you--very appropriate I think, because it is about judgement:
Mathew 7: 1-5

Judging Others. "Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye"
tammyl


tammyl
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You just go off and get it off the best you can...

If my comment was immoral, then what do you call the one you spouted off in the same post? And don't go tellin me the "get off" you were referring to has anything to do with a boat or some such. You and I both know what is meant by that comment. I do believe you are the pot calling the kettle black.


tammyl
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It looks as if Man/Women has been changing the text of the bible.
St Matthew 7.1-5.

Judge not, that ye be judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and then shalt thou see clerly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye: and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Are we reading out of the same bible. (Mine is the king James) If we keep maling changes, in another hundred years or so we will have re-writter the whold bible.
RAMAL


tammyl

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Ramal,
I use a "American Bible translation". It has all the "thee and thous", but then gives it to you in the language of today. I must say, if I read that somebody had a "mote" in their eye, I'd be searchin for the castle too. I don't think I am the only one. I am happy for you that your intelligence allows you to translate. I need a little help.

tammyl
chaster
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Mr. or Mrs. Curious/Street. I knew my last post would get your attention and would incite your wrath.
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Now Tammy, let's keep in mind that our 'Curious isn't being RUDE to us, he's being RUDE to our sin. Actually, 'Curious, like Christ, loves us. Right, 'Curious?
You do love us, don't you 'Curious?


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Stung
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....back to topic.

There are quite a few things that could help this site. Some almost as easily done as said.

* Hot Links. Cut & Paste link in other forums, blogs and any other sites of interest that you visit. You might also include "HelpTheChildBrides". There should be a link on the main page of the Texas Blog. There's a bunch of other misc. anti-polygamist and even pro-polygamist sites that could benefit by open discussions.

* New Sub Forum for Authors and Columnists. Make a place for these people to discuss their viewpoints, books and answer questions. Include Jay's collection of information, he could fill a forum all on his own.

* Probably could add a "Texas" Sub Forum. The Texas blog is great, but actually a forum is better suited for this type of topic. Blogs are more centered around socializing for groups of people (teenagers love them) or for a single person of interest. Forums work best for a general or open topic. I'm sure the folks at the Eldorado Success would love to help out even if it conflicts with their own Blog.... maybe a Canadian section while we're at it?

* Get Flora to post more often.

* Invite people. While you're surfing around and meet other people on the Net, email or PM them. Spread the word. They'll come.

* Anonymous allowed Sub Forum for the insiders. It would have to have dedicated moderators but let's face it, there's a lot of fearful people who would like to speak up given the opportunity.

* Follow up on past posters. What's Pam up to lately? Troy to busy with his college work? How's Maddie's new life coming along?

* Jim might consider getting a PayPal account for improvements and upgrades.

just a few ideas that come to mind... One thing proven, Forums are very powerful communication tools. They can make a difference, but they do take a while to gain momentum. Patience is key.
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Laude777
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Good ideas for the forum, especially the one about Flora posting more.
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onthestreet
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Tammy' Thread: "We Need Some New Blood (not atonement)"
You poor thing, proclaiming you do not need atonement. Yet, Christ's atonement will save such a wretch as you, in a lower kingdom.


Laude777
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Tammy' Thread: "WeNeedSomeNewBlood(notatonement)"You poor thing, proclaiming you do not need atonement. Yet, Christ's atonement will save such a wretch as you, in a lower kingdom.
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I'm not sure who's more wacko, you or Jacko.
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onthestreet
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Date Posted: 05/22/2005 4:22 PM
Street said: Your Redeemer said it best: "I do not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance."

Laudy said: I wonder what the Redeemer says when he looks down at Calamity City and sees child-molestors, illiteracy, abused women being over-bred and used as chattel, frightened children, in-breeding, welfare fraud, tax-cheating, filthy old men marrying pubescent girls, the cold banishment of hundreds of young lost boys who roam the streets of Utah, thousands of his creations permanently damaged by mind-control, and a slew of other inhumanities.... Get smart and fly right, Street.

STREET's Reply: Ahhh, my dear, you describe America splendidly, monogabuse to the tee. We tried to keep it out of CC, but I creeped in, those creeps, and you see the results. But, all agree that dear Prophet of ours cleaned it up, fulfilled a separation of the wheat and the tares, just as your Lord commanded. The abusers, the welfare "cheats", (strange all this cheating and no charges. Must not be cheating). Anyhow, you get my aeromic drift. By the way, those "filthy old men" you describe is what nearly every American wife calls her husband, and every American neighbor calls their neighbor. "And city shall be against city, family against family. . ." Meanwhile, the Lord's church thrives in purer climes.



Laude777
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By the way, those "filthy old men" you describe is what nearly every American wife calls her husband, and every American neighbor calls their neighbor.
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Strange, I've lived in America most of my life and I've never heard anybody describe their husband or neighbor that way.
You need to be deprogrammed, plain and simple.
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Mahalo222
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>>>>Mahalo points to Laude777<<<< What she said.

Street Said: "By the way, those "filthy old men" you describe is what nearly every American wife calls her husband, and every American neighbor calls their neighbor."
Dude - that's just crazy. Let me guess - Warren told you that.
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Laude777
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>>>>Mahalo points to Laude777<<<< What she said.Street Said: "By the way, those "filthy old men" you describe is what nearly every American wife calls her husband, and every American neighbor calls their neighbor."Dude - that's just crazy.Let me guess - Warren told you that.
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Street IS Warren.
What are we gonna do about Warren? A labotamy comes to mind.
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Mahalo222
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Anyhow, you get my aeromic drift.
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Mahalo222
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Reply to : Mahalo222>>>>Mahalo points to Laude777What she said.Street Said: "By the way, those "filthy old men" you describe is what nearly every American wife calls her husband, and every American neighbor calls their neighbor."Dude - that's just crazy.Let me guess - Warren told you that.________Street IS Warren.What are we gonna do about Warren? A labotamy comes to mind.Laude777
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Too kind - then he won't be able to comprehend the f---ing mess he's turned into a distaster. Wait...what I am saying?
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Laude777
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Too kind - then he won't be able to comprehend the f---ing mess he's turned into a distaster. Wait...what I am saying?
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It's like the stone story....easier to clean up one big mess than a whole buncha little ones.
Warren did us all a favor, brought it all to a head. (no pun intended)
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tammyl
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Tammy' Thread: "WeNeedSomeNewBlood(notatonement)"You poor thing, proclaiming you do not need atonement. Yet, Christ's atonement will save such a wretch as you, in a lower kingdom.
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The defintion of blood atonement as I understand it is as follows:

A belief in the Mormon church led by Brigham Young. Some crimes were considered so serious that the perpetrator's salvation required that he be killed and his blood mixed with the earth.

I am referring to new blood (as in people) on the site. I know that you know what I mean, however.

I'm in a lower kingdom and am a wretch according to Lord Street, but you are not passing judgement on me, is that your position? You call me a "wretch", this is a noun. You do not talk about behaviour (sin as you call it). You call me a wretch. If this is not judgement, then I do not know what is. I believe you have said that 'sin is sin', so do you understand your sin? Look in the mirror.

You got after me yesterday for makin a joke about Viagra and then proceed in the same post to tell me "to get off however I can" (referring to s-e-x). I think that lude comment more than surpasses mine on Viagra. When something such as this is pointed out to you, you simply ignore the post. I can only guess that I hit a nerve. I think you are a coward or you have a very tenuous grasp on reality.

If it is the latter, I pray that you will find some help. I sense much pain and frustration in your posts. It is not my desire to add to this torment you carry. This torment is so evident to anyone who reads what you write. This narrowness of thought goes far beyond what is healthy and is really against God's plan for your life.

Would it hurt you to explore your faith and maybe do some reading on faith and God and religion outside of what you know? I know you have internet access, use it. Maybe this learning of the faith of others might help you to be less judgemental and more tolerant of them. Maybe not.

I feel very secure in what I believe because I have read all I can about the different faiths of the world and I pray daily for guidance. I have been so blessed in my life with a good husband and a loving family. God is fundemental to my daily existence, but I don't believe I cannot laugh, love and enjoy this beautiful earth while I am here.


tammyl
Laude777
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Would it hurt you to explore your faith and maybe do some reading on faith and God and religion outside of what you know?
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Forget it. Sheep only read what they're told.
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Imjustcurious
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Tammy: Oh little one, we are all wretched. All have sinned, and all need a redeemer. Feel better.? That's not my judgement alone, but the Word of the Lord, and no I am not the Lord. Yes, we are all in the gross physical world, wretched compared to the heavenly realms. Therefore we are all wretched, like it or not. But you can now do something about that, through the lifting up of a prophet. "The owner of a field (earth) sent watchmen (prophets), and each in his turn was abused. Finally, he sent his son. And so he comes with vengeance. See, it will all be set right.


Imjustcurious
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Viagra? What's that? Sorry, I'm not into worldly things too much. "Get off"? What do you mean sex? Just encouraging you to humble yourself (get off the high horse, because they buck if you mock God). When your mind demonstrates a preoccupation with sex, there's not much that can be done for you.

You speak of my narrowness of thought: "Straight is the gate, and narrow the way." That is your Lord speaking. No need to 'learn' outside corruption. You want more tolerance? "I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of tolerance." That is your Lord speaking.

Ahh, so you say that God is "fundamental" to you. See, you are now a fundamentalist. You're coming. Laugh, love, and enjoy, but sin not.


Laude777
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See, it will all be set right.
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You can count me out. I like the world the way it is.
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Imjustcurious
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And Jesus said: I am not of this world.


tammyl
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Viagra? What's that? Sorry, I'm not into worldly things too much. "Get off"? What do you mean sex? Just encouraging you to humble yourself (get off the high horse, because they buck if you mock God). When your mind demonstrates a preoccupation with sex, there's not much that can be done for you.
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Get off your high horse, I am on to you. And don't you tell me that sex is not what you meant! You may be able to twist the psyches of others, but not mine. And yes I will laugh and enjoy my life.

Here is another selection for your reading enjoyment:

brainwashing & mind control techniques

1) HYPNOSIS - Inducing a high state of suggestibility, often thinly disguised as relaxation or meditation.

a. Repetitive Music (most likely with a beat close to the human heart 45 to 72 beats per minute). Most likely used during "study sessions" as the teacher will say the music helps you relax and concentrate better!
b. Voice Roll -- A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.

c. Room "Feel" - The way a room feels is essential to hypnotizing unknowing subjects. It needs special lighting, florescent lights are best because they aren't too dim, but aren't too harsh. Also, Room Temp helps a bit, usually a little cooler than normal room temperature. You need to have the unknowing subjects very relaxed, perhaps even close to falling asleep.

2) PEER GROUP PRESSURE - Suppressing doubt and resistance to new ideas by exploiting the need to belong.

3) "LOVE BOMBING" - Creating a sense of family through physical touch, thought & feeling sharing and emotional bonding.

4) REJECTION OF OLD VALUES - Accelerating acceptance of new lifestyle by constantly denouncing former beliefs and values.

5) CONFUSING DOCTRINE - Encouraging blind acceptance and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible doctrine.

6) METACOMMUNICATION - Implanting subliminal messages by stressing certain key words or phrases in long, confusing lectures.

7) REMOVAL OF PRIVACY - Achieving loss of ability to evaluate logically by preventing private contemplation.

8) DISINHIBITION - Encouraging child-like obedience by orchestrating child-like behaviour

9) UNCOMPROMISING RULES - Inducing regression and disorientation by soliciting agreement to seemingly simple rules which regulate mealtimes, bathroom breaks and use of medications.

10) VERBAL ABUSE - Desensitizing through bombardment with foul and abusive language. (Physical abuse, such as torture, is the more extreme form of this.)

11) SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND FATIGUE - Creating disorientation and vulnerability by prolonging mental an physical activity and withholding adequate rest and sleep.

12) DRESS CODES - Removing individuality by demanding conformity to the group dress code. (think pioneer)

13) CHANTING OR SINGING - Eliminating non-cult ideas through group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases (think Ruth)

14) CONFESSION - Encouraging the destruction of individual ego through confession of personal weaknesses and innermost feelings of doubt.

15) FINANCIAL COMMITMENT - Achieving increased dependence on the group by 'burning bridges' to the past, through the donation of assets. (think about all the money you rake in)

16) FINGER POINTING - Creating a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world. (think of what you say on this site)

17) ISOLATION - Inducing loss of reality by physical separation from family, friends, society and rational references. (think reassignment and apostacy

18) CONTROLLED APPROVAL - Maintaining vulnerability and confusion by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions.

19) CHANGE OF DIET - Creating disorientation and increased susceptibility to emotional arousal by depriving the nervous system of necessary nutrients through the use of special diets and/or fasting. Also applying drugs for these purposes fall in this category.

20) GAMES - Inducing dependence on the group by introducing games with obscure rules.

21) NO QUESTIONS - Accomplishing automatic acceptance of beliefs by discouraging questions. (I am sure you do this very well).

22) GUILT - Reinforcing the need for 'salvation' by exaggerating the sins of the former lifestyles. (Another one of your "strengths")

23) FEAR - Maintaining loyalty and obedience to the group by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest 'negative' thought, word or deed. (Ditto for this one)
tammyl


SharetheLight
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Street IS Warren. What are we gonna do about Warren? A labotamy comes to mind.Laude777
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I don't know if Street actually is Warren, but he certainly is a cookie-cutter model of Warren. Maybe he's just a Warren-abee.
But, good question ... what are we gonna do about Warren?
Well, I like Laude's suggestion of a frontal labotomy. But, while we're at it, lets also think about castration. This dual method should get both of his loose ends tied up.
Ya know, you don't want to treat the wrong end, or leave anything dangling. LOL


chaster
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I promise you, Tammy, that you're not in a lower kingdom in anyone's book who can recognize genuine good. Would that there were more like you.

Chasmo
Laude777
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Reply to : tammyl: I'm in a lower kingdom.
I promise you, Tammy, that you're not in a lower kingdom in anyone's book who can recognize genuine good. Would that there were more like you. Chasmo
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tammyl
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Thanks for your kind words! I hold you in high esteem also. Chasmo is a great philosopher and Laude is the neighborhood realist. Each has a place, and this is as it should be.

I haven't figured out what Mr. Street's (or is it Jeff's) place is. I honestly thought he was just a poor lost fellow in need of deprogramming, but I know believe him to be the programmer. This saddens me, cause I had hoped to be able to help him chart a new path. As I have said before Mr. Jeffs "religion" is power, money and control. Millions of dollars and a multitude of sheep hanging on his every word in this life will not carry any weight whatever in the next. He only tacitily admits to any sin, when it is pointed out to him that he is acting in a judgemental way. I honestly do not believe he believes what he says.
tammyl


sayitaintso
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I haven't figured out what Mr. Street's (or is it Jeff's) place is.
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roflmao
You do realize don't you that you have just given street the greatest compliment of his entire life... and warren the worst insult.


Not_today
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I believed every word that I said of it. Be ohh so careful of the blanket statements. See faith is a funny thing, it makes all of the inconsistancies umm not important, it also negates logic and common sense. So there are those who do believe what they are saying

Ohh and about the remark of rewritting the Bible, interesting thing, it basically already has been, really because we could never do an accurate translation that takes into account all of the intracies of the hebrew language. Our language has not way of equating all of the subtle messages that are hidden in the word choices used in Hebrew. That and we had Kings that had it rewritten when it was translated to fit what they wanted. Interesting that none of them were struck down by lightning or the hand of God either.
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mloribee2
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roflmaoYou do realize don't you that you have just given street the greatest compliment of his entire life... and warren the worst insult.
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Street told the texas blog that "I love the Barlow heritage. It is my own."
no wonder jeffs got rid of him.


tammyl
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roflmaoYou do realize don't you that you have just given street the greatest compliment of his entire life... and warren the worst insult.
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I don't know about you sayitaintso...are you a FLDS member or former member? Have you heard mr jeffs speak alot? I listened to some of mr. jeff's audio tapes on line and I do believe he and streeet sound very much alike. Perhaps you know more than I do.

What type of education does mr. jeffs have? i thought I read somewhere that it was quite a lot. Mr. Street is is quite learn-ed (not sure how to spell it). I wouldn't think your typical run of the mill FLDS member would have the writing and sermonizing ability that he seems to have.

I am most curious for you to explain what is different about the way mr. Jeffs and Street communicate? Would appreciate anything you have to tell me about it, since you said that saying what I did was an insult to mr. jeffs.

BTW...is "roflmao" like "mosultov"?
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WE ARE WATCHING thread

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I shall be sharing some transcriptions in the near future, this should be fun!!
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You've gotten my attention there, KOLOB. These "transcriptions." They don't perhaps involve golden plates and a urim and thumim do they?
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Laude777
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Where'd you come up with the Kolob name, Kolob? It reminds me of a place I've been in Utah.
Are you living behind the Zion curtain?
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Imjustcurious
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No, the person thinks already that they are "Nigh Unto God," which is good, making your heaven right here on earth like they do in the FLDS Church. Kolob is a star higher than our Sun, according to the Book of Abraham. It is said to be "nigh unto God, which makes me think that it is the throne of the Son of God, as the Lord said to our Prophet that Abraham and many others sit on their own thrones. What a sweet idea and plan, to be nigh unto God, and this comes by prayer, gathering, and yearning for zion, according to the word.

Imjustcurious
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I'll take care of their wives while they are gone so they don't need to worry about that.
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Glad you are so willing to sacrifice for the cause! If you need vitamins, let me know. I have heard that Viagra can put a bounce in your step (or was that a bounce somewhere else?) I'm gonna get myself in trouble, so I'll shut up.
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CURIOUS REPLY: You already have (proven your immorality), and are not worthy of any kind of explanations. You just go off and get it off the best you can, for you to mock sacred things like this. You see, this is MONOGABUSE. STOP MONOGABUSE. That's what the Lord undertaking right now.


chaster
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CURIOUS REPLY: You already have (proven your immorality), and are not worthy of any kind of explanations.
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An odd thing I've noticed of every abusive type I've ever encountered, they have emotional glass jaws themselves even more so than their fellows. They tend to be hyper-sensitve to criticism of any kind themselves. You'd think such individuals would have greater empathy to others, but they instead tend to be utterly completely blind to the feelings of others. Odd.
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Imjustcurious
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Your Redeemer said it best: "I do not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance." That's all we're saying, my friends. No 'hypersensitivity against flesh and blood, just the evils that destroy your souls. We love you too much to cuddle up to that, and watch you go down, if there was a way to prevent it. If that's a "lack of empathy," as you say, then maybe the Lord will give you some, or at least allow the adversary of your souls to do it. I think you've all come to see that the FLDS people choose "glass jaws to prevent those crimes in their own society. If that's abusive, what is it to allow those crimes, and to laugh about it, and count it as a joke. The first principle of military science is to recognize the enemy. Otherwise, you're finished.
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.An odd thing I've noticed of every abusive type I've ever encountered, they have emotional glass jaws themselves even more so than their fellows.They tend to be hyper-sensitve to criticism of any kind themselves.
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They don't seem to have much of a sense of humor either.
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QUESTION FOR RUTH Thread:

Date Posted: 05/20/2005 12:42 PM
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Is your dad Dick, Jack or Lynn?
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Imjustcurious
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She answered that 10,000 times. I wouldn't blame here for just ignoring most of the posts in here. She'd rather be HAPPY, like Jim's song: "Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy.


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Her father is Jack.
Ruth may not post here for a while because she's mad at me. I called her down for screaming "Filthy Liar" everytime someone says anything she doesn't want to hear. So she's going off to sulk.
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Out Of The Vein
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Her father is Jack.Ruth may not post here for a while because she's mad at me. I called her down for screaming "Filthy Liar" everytime someone says anything she doesn't want to hear. So she's going off to sulk.
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She'll sulk for awhile and then come back with a blitzkrieg of poems and verse. Yep, that's our Ruth.
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Imjustcurious
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Hey Jim. You're a FILTHY LIAR. There, now sulk a little. Then lash out just because someone says "anything she doesn't want to hear. So she's going off to sulk.ulk a little," like Jim.

Hey Jim. "Filthy Liar" is angelic music compared to the language you see in all the forums and weblogs. Geees, man, that's no crime, and certainly nothing to call someone on, because you have to trump your 'Authority". Now you're like what you blame Warren Jeffs of being. Ahh, twasn't him at all you were describing, just from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaking.

Chaster:
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Reply to : Imjustcurious: You're a FILTHY LIAR. .................blame Warren Jeffs ............from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaking. Just like you said. See, it doesn't take a great amount of intelligence to quote out of context like you do. You said it.
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Point well taken. See, the correct context was "You know folks, if I were holding onto a completely spiritually morally bankrupt belief system, there'd not be much I could say for myself other than you're FILTHY LIAR. .................blame Warren Jeffs ............from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaking."

Sorry we took ole 'Curious out of context there.

No, 'Curious is doing a good job on this forum, and, I for one am grateful to him. I couldn't possibly do a better more thorough job of discrediting 'Curious than 'Curious does all by himself. Says me a lot of work.


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You're a FILTHY LIAR. .................blame Warren Jeffs ............from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaking.
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Bumble (Loribee) said: Just like you said. See, it doesn't take a great amount of inteligence to quote out of context like you do. You said it.

Street’s Reply: Nay, bumbebee, just taunting Jim for calling down Ruth, just because she called him a liar. "ALL have sinned," have they not. Yah, it's interesting how context can make things appear.
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Constructive Critism? We can do that? I don't know. I got a good joke though, I know that it is umm well old but fitting.

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Noah- has120 years of preaching experience, but not a single convert.

Moses- Stutters, loses his temper. Can also be quite violent.

Abraham- Goes to Egypt in hard times. Known to lie when in trouble

David- Immoral. Might be considered for Ministry of Music, if he had not fallen.

Solomon- A reputation for wisdom, but does not practice what he preaches

Elijah- Inconsistant. Folds under pressure, retreates into caves

Isaiah- Has unclean lips; admitted this in a worship service.

Jeremiah- Too emotional. Cries a lot. Alarmist. "Pain in the neck" some say.

John the Baptist- Popular, but lacks tact and dresses like a hippie. (Considering his diet he would not be happy at church suppers)

Peter- Actually denied that he knew Christ

Paul- Preaches well, but contemptible appearence. Long sermons; people sleep.

Timothy- Has potential. Background questionable, very young.

Jesus- Offends large segments of the audience when he preaches. Very controversial.

Judus- Practical. Leadership abilities. Good with money. Conservative spender. Cares for the people especially the poor. were going to recommend him as our choice but he up and died. Really some people.

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IS THIS TRUE Thread:

Date Posted: 05/22/2005 10:11 PM
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Hi,
I was reading an article about Warren Jeffs and some of his rules and regulations. This is what the article listed as rules. Are these really true???

Jeffs has allegedly:

Forbidden members to use television sets, VCRs, video games or connections to the Internet.
Banned boating, fishing and other water activities.
Instructed parents to throw away most children's books including Bible and Book of Mormon storybooks.
Terminated community and holiday celebrations, such as observing the birthdays of previous leaders and Pioneer Day.
Stopped further dances, socials and other get-togethers.
Warned members that laughter causes the spirit of God to leak from their bodies. He based this belief on an obscure statement of Joseph Smith.
None of these rules are too grand, but this last one takes the cake. Is this really true, or is it hype?

tammyl


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Hi,I was reading an article about Warren Jeffs and some of his rules and regulations. This is what the article listed as rules. Are these really true???Jeffs has allegedly:Forbidden members to use television sets, VCRs, video games or connections to the Internet.
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Yes it is . But add get rid of ALL photos of those who are not "worthy".
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Laude777
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I was reading an article about Warren Jeffs and some of his rules and regulations.
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Good Morning Tam:
Warren didn't start all the "rules and regulations," he just took them to another level. A lot of folks wanna blame Warren for everything, but I believe that he is the PRODUCT of a corrupt theocracy.

All the prophets of the FLDS were corrupt, evil men into control and power, and they all married pubescent girls (some as young as 9 and 11). Uncle Roy did it, and Uncle Rulon did it.

Warren Jeffs falls right in place after Rulon, he fits the mold. Rulon Jeffs groomed Warren to be the next prophet, it was set-up that way.

Most FLDS members don't know the truth about Warren, but then, they don't know the truth about a lot of things.
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onthestreet
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Tammy Said: I was reading an article about Warren Jeffs and some of his rules and regulations. This is what the article listed as rules. Are these really true???
All true and good. You see, they all have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof. Understand?


Out Of The Vein
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Tammy Said: I was reading an article about Warren Jeffs and some of his rules and regulations. This is what the article listed as rules. Are these really true???All true and good. You see, they all have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof. Understand?
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All good??? Part of me is wondering if you are just an incredibly insecure individual and you are only seeking to get a rise out of people. But against my better judgement I'm going to have to dignify your post with a response. For now I'll just talk about one of these rules.

Explain to me how disallowing dances and social get-togethers is a good rule. It's well known that Brigham Young would roll back the carpets in the Temple and have socials and dances.
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Ah yes, dances are fun. I enjoy dances alot, but usually I only dance with wolves. They're more innocent than the hormonal explosions of these quasi-dating atmospheres in a society that "does not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance," just like your God and mine. There you go. Understand now? Try to realize that in the FLDS you are dealing with the "F" word of an entirely different nature, divine nature vs animal nature. Get it? Gooooood.


onthestreet
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Yes, Brother Brigham "allowed" it. That's where the work of God was, and the wheat is sifted and sifted until that Church falls away (like it DID in 1890), and today what you have left is a Fundamental Church of Jesus Christ, Yearning For Zion. "And only that people who are looking and watching for my coming in the clouds of heaven (not in word only), will be saved. Warren's administration is not Brigham's, yet they are of the same heart and same mind, to do away with all that corrupts in a corrupt world. "And Satan has deceived the whole world." (Rev.20). Keep searching. Seek, and ye shall find. Mock, and it shall NOT be opened unto you.


Out Of The Vein
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Ah yes, dances are fun. I enjoy dances alot, but usually I only dance with wolves. They're more innocent than the hormonal explosions of these quasi-dating atmospheres in a society that "does not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance," just like your God and mine. There you go. Understand now? Try to realize that in the FLDS you are dealing with the "F" word of an entirely different nature, divine nature vs animal nature. Get it? Gooooood.
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LOL! Do you think that you can intimidate me with that slightly above average vocabulary. Or is that just your way of skirting around the question. People like you, the higly recalcitrant type, usually suffer from one of two things. Both are a measuring stick, one is a gauge and indicator of intelligence, the other, a measurement of.....well, you get the point. Street, your rebuttals are almost gelastic. They're anything but adroit, usually imbecilic and moronic. So, I would like to give you one more chance to reply. This time let's see if you can give a coherent answer without letting your shortcomings distort that small bit of intelligence that all humans have.
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tammyl
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All true and good. You see, they all have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof. Understand?
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No, I do not. I would like for you to explain how one's spirit leaks out when one laughs. I cannot imagine not laughing with my husband when our first child took her first steps. What a thrill, what fun. Not laughing when my son ate his first bowl of spaghetti "solo". What a joyful mess! There are many reasons we laugh. Medical people say those that laugh often are healthier.

I would say that you are "free to believe what you want", but that would not be true. You have been indoctrinated from a very young age and what you speak of now is more an "automatic response" than the reason of person who is capable of independent thought. You are brainwashed. FYI : God gave us all reason, but you have allowed yours to be deeply buried. That to me is against God's will for you. You deny that essence of reason that God gave you and allow yourself to be manipulated by a false prophet.
tammyl


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Tammy proffered that "God gave us all reason, but you have allowed yours to be deeply buried. That to me is against God's will for you. You deny that essence of reason that God gave you and allow yourself to be manipulated by a false prophet."

Ahh, me lady. It is true that we have free agency, the freedom to save ourselves or the freedom to curse ourselves. I would far rather see you saved. That snake in the Garden beguiled Eve to "Reason," and see if the knowledge that I offer you from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is far batter than life that the Lord of Life offers you from the Tree of Life. The former ends at the abyss. The latter includes the trinity. Now, you are free to choose. Go ahead, and that is what will determine your fate.


tammyl
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The latter includes the trinity. Now, you are free to choose. Go ahead, and that is what will determine your fate.
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My fate is already determined, and is not undermined by any of your rantings. God knows my heart, my thought and my reason. I don't need to convince you of that.
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Laude777
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The former ends at the abyss. The latter includes the trinity. Now, you are free to choose. Go ahead, and that is what will determine your fate.
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Gee, only two choices. The Abyss, or the Trinity?
Thanks, but I'll pass.
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chaster
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Holy Cow! Laughter is our salvation practically on the level of prophets and such. I know 'Curious might apply some of his loving righteous VIOLENCE to my saying this, but one good humorist probably does more good for humanity than the sum of all the prophets throughtout time. See, what laughter is, it's a moment of revelation, of relief, and joy when we see something that lets us know that we're all in this human condition together; we're sharing its pain and its joy together. We're not alone. We love the people we are laughing with. And they love us.

Yes, humor can be mean spirited at times, but that's not the best kind of humor I think. I think the best kind of humor gives us these shared revelations of our shared experiences. Bill Cosby, for example. Will Rogers. I find their humor to be like that. We recognize our own plight in it. We laugh with our fellows and with ourselves at ourselves.

Then again, there are no hard and fast rules about humor, so, if you like, you may completely ignore everything I've said about it.
Chasmo


Stung
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Gee, only two choices. The Abyss, or the Trinity?Thanks, but I'll pass.

... even Monte Hall offered more choices than that.
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Lord Challen
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Hey Street,

I have some questions for you? Say that I play along for a minute and agree that Warren is God's prophet.
Do you like your God?
Do you like the fact that God can, on a whim, take your family from you?
Do you like the fact that you must kiss ass to prophets, file leaders, and others of God's annointed in order to make the grade?
Do you like the fact, that your God, cursed your sisters in the Garden of Eden to be subject to the male rule?
Do you like the possibility that God's annointed can completely destroy your life at a moment's notice, without explaination?

Granted, I have a different idea of who God is then you do, but we used to believe in the same God. And I was thinking, if God is what the FLDS & company profess, then I must have been that serpant urging Eve to rebel. It was the right thing to do. Better to spend your eternity honestly fighting the demons of hell, then spend eternity kissing ass to God's annointed that believe it is their "right" to rule.

Where does the free agency come in here? When does a person stand up and take responsibility for fact that they are supporting a regime that doesn't allow for the individual freedoms that are required by the human mind/spirit?

I admit, I get a little confused by this stuff. I was after all, raised in the same religion as you. I just came up with a different picture of God then everyone else, I guess.

I was taught that God was Love. The Power of God would therefore be the Power of Love. If the Priesthood was God's Power on Earth, that would make them representitives of God's Love. Even Joseph Smith said that any unrighteous act of Priesthood would make that Priesthood null and void, which makes sense if God is Love. I lived in that town for most of my life (I'm still young) and I thought I knew folks well. But last time I was there, I looked like an outsider for most of the FLDS folks; they didn't recognize me. I was shocked at the fear and just plain tired looks on the faces of the women. Even when they didn't know I was there, they spoke in whispers, afraid to be noticed or draw attention.

Where is the Love? Where is the Freedom? Where is the truth that was to set them free from fear?

The FLDS has become the perfect Old Testament people that worship their God in fear. They are so afraid of loss that they tell themselves that no matter what God's annointed does to them, they will still love him. Where is the freedom in that? Where is the Manly Right to stand up and say "over my dead body!!!!!"??

True Love is Eternal. There is nothing eternal about the family structures of the FLDS these days. Warren does NOT have the ability to make a woman love a man. Love will finds its own path and will not even follow the dictates of the human that it is in. Me thinks that your prophets claims too much power. If you understood Love, you would know that it does not follow the designs of men, but answers to a "higher power." That which God/Love puts together, let no man put asunder. Men foolishly think that they can actually control Love. When Love binds two people together, there ain't a damn thing your prophet can do about it. In fact, it seems to me, that your prophet is actually afraid of Love. He is doing everything he can suppress it. He has taken every Safe Haven where Love can grow and destroyed it. He has taken honorable, beautiful women and turned them into Priesthood whores. And those men that follow him, they LIKE that. They want a piece of the action. If they are good, this is their chance to get so-and-so's wife in the sac.

Any true man of God/Love would never had let those he loved be taken from him in that fashion. They allowed what they loved to be taken from them because of fear of their prophet and their illusion of Love for Him. They are more in love with their concept of Love/God, then their Love for anything outside of them. But the truth is, if they had real Love, the Power of God, they would have never walked away from what their Love/God had given them. Unfortunately, for me, it only proved that they never had Real Love in the first place.
How do you, in good conscious, worship a God that rules with fear?

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Laude777
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I have some questions for you?
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Good Morning LC:
Good list, but I'll be surprised if Street answers a single question. He's been deceived by El Diablo and doesn't know good from bad. Poor thing, I think we should give Street a Pity Party.

Pity Poem for Street:

The devil's taken a'hold of Street
Shagged him like a strip of meat
And keeps him 'tween the jaws of hate
Will Street wake-up, 'fore it's too late

We're rootin' for ya,' Street ol' boy.
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I was one of the first people to get the lecture by Warren on laughter. I laughed to much, I was constantly being repermanded for it, however I didn't think his family laughed enough. You should have seen the kitchen some Saturday mornings, I would have them all in a happy mood, laughing at my antics and he would walk in demanding his food. Killed it instantly. I once accidently put sugar in his food. It was amazing to see his temper. I can tell you this, If he is made in the image of his God I think that I would choose the Devil, he would be kinder. But no about the list they are all true. And the dress codes have gotten stricker. The picture thing makes me angry. I cherich all the pictures I have. well except the couple I have of warren but they make a good dart board paper!! hee hee.
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1000 WORDS Thread:

Onthestreet:
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Has anything good ever came out of C.C.? If so let me know so I can brighten up the picture a little bit, Gee's wouldnt that be nice once in a while? Fresh new bright paint.

Curious Reply: Very significant! They asked the exact question of Jesus: "Can any good thing come out of Nazareht?" (Jn 1:46).


Laude777
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They asked the exact question of Jesus: "Can any good thing come out of Nazareht?" (Jn 1:46).
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Well, Warren Jeffs aint no Jesus, and Calamity City is in Arizona.
So what's your point?
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Reply to Laude & Cobber post: 05-21-4:09:Has anything good ever came out of C.C.? If so let me know so I can brighten up the picture a little bit, Gee's wouldnt that be nice once in a while? Fresh new bright paint.Curious Reply: Very significant! They asked the exact question of Jesus: "Can any good thing come out of Nazareht?" (Jn 1:46).
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Sir, Mam, I wasnt trying to make any connection to the bible, to be honest that isnt my strong suit, you know all that church talk and sunday stuff. I wasnt sure that I should of even asked the question at all, I took the chance of offending someone that perhaps needed to be lifted up and not put down any more, But you must of read what she said and if it didnt impress you just a little then maybe that bible you have should be used more as a door stop instead of a heart, mind, and soul stop. Her responce had grit and conviction I know that we all could use, cant we? Your question came after you read what she wrote. Tell me, what was your point?


cobber
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Reg : 02/26/2005
Date Posted: 05/22/2005 5:54 PM
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I picked stayingsain. Because for a whileI did't know if i was going to make it, and I did with the help of my hubby and WITHOUT medication. I like the "standing tall" thoughI hope thatI can always stand tall, and look back and and see how farI have come,.It willbe a long jurny , but well worth the trip.
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You Know what? Stayingsane aint so bad for a name, I was impressed with your reply, it was bothe head and shoulders higher in honesty , and well, standing tall just sort of fit.


Not_today
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Posts : 45
Reg : 04/22/2005
Date Posted: 05/24/2005 1:54 PM
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You know what some very good things have come out of CC. It was growing up there that made me who I am and let me tell you at this point I have surpassed all expectations of everyone who knew me ten years ago. I also have to say that there is a group of young men who are changing what they are to be, and yes it was growing up in CC that has made them realize that they have to change, there are those who have left that have more courage and compassion for others. There are those who have skills that are well learned and they are already starting to impact the world that they live in. It is not all bad, it is just that those that have made it prefere to live outside of the spotlight. They are there to help people when they really need it. Hey Stayingsane I think I know you!!
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All of the truths we believe will be revieled to be little more than the lies society has used to justify the abuse in which it flounders.


stayingsane
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Reg : 05/18/2005
Date Posted: 05/24/2005 4:20 PM
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Hey Stayingsane I think I know you!!
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Yes you do. Darn I was hoping to stay in the closet . Oh well I know you too

onthestreet said...
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Anonymous said...

We were always taught that the ultimate test of our faith would come. Warren is the test. You failed.

Anonymous said...

pretty hard to pass a test when all the answers are modified to fit the mood of the day.

NAME

onthestreet said...

Yes, you're so right. If you pass by Warren at the Gate of Heaven, then you will pass the test. Yes, you're right. Warren is the test. This is why I know what I know, and say what I say, and do what I do.

Anonymous said...

Onthestreet,
It seems that the reason you "know what I know and say what I say and do what I do" is because Warren has told you what to believe, and told you what to say. Heck, he could probably get you to do about anything if he put the right spin on it. That to me is what is so frightening. You are unable to discern truth from fiction. You were in a weakened state mentally to begin with, and you allowed this man to own you heart and soul. Even us who don't claim to be as "smart" as you can tell you have been hoodwinked! Seriously, you need to get a grip on reality. It is sickening to watch you twist bible verses and such to Warren's twisted ends.
Keep the faith, but get rid of the liar delievering the "message" to you.

ATAR_i said...

Street,

Please don't make your page so long, I always hesitate to come because it's so long to download.

I came by to visit today, I hope the day is going well for you. We had a big Memorial Day BBQ yesterday.

What did you do?

onthestreet said...

Ahh, yes. BBQ's are good. Even necessary. Shall we say, your form of the brazen altar?

onthestreet said...

Anony-mouse: Truth from fiction? Ahh yes, there is truth in the air, and everywhere. All that exists is true, or it wouldn't exist. Take a fiction novel, for example. How novel is that? It doesn't matter. It exists. Therefore, it is true.

Now, granted, many truths are made into half-truths, which, even though they are partly true, make one lie, all lies. "If ye offend in the least of the law (the constitutional law of heaven which is the highest law of the land, sad to inform you), then ye offend in the whole law.

There, I discerned truth from fiction, but woe: Who owns my heart and soul? God owns you all, the government, the White House, the police, the army, lock, stock, and pork-barrell. . . shall we say, heart, mind, and soul. And he has watchmen, as your Redeemer calls them.

There, ownership is established. Now that is reality. It's sickening to watch you all avoid and even hoodwink Bible verse. Now, get on with life as best you can.

ATAR_i said...

altar, sounds like awhore - do you think I'm a prostitute - why do you say such mean things to me?

Calling me a prostitute with a tarry roof - as if I'm cheap too - not even a well priced woman of the night - I can't take it anymore!

I'm crying so hard now, throwing myself on the floor, whoops, I've thrown myself into my dirty negligee hamper. I think I need a new pink one - this one has been used for so long the lace is tearing from the silk.

Altar - are you calling me fat?

(more weeping), thongs make great kleenex in a pinch, (mental note - buy more thongs - spring colors).

You think I belong on the street don't you - wait - I get it - your trying to pick me up - sicko!

Stinger said...

Street you should be ashamed of yourself. How could you say such nasty things to a lady. Apologize, sir, or choose your weapon. (I would prefer sledgehammers in six foot deep water.)

onthestreet said...

Yes, I apologize to both of you, for your grossness in relating a holy temple altar to whoredome. Get real. If you have a conscience of being a prostitute, I can feel sorry for you, but seeking the Lord in prayer will heal you of that more that a man on the street.

You see, Atar, no offense was even conceived in my heart, but yours only, and that's offensive to me. You was simply asking about how my weekend went, and shared with me that you had a BBQ, so I related that to the animal sacrifice altar of the ancient temples of Israel.

Get real, sister.

GBNF said...

Wow! Things have really gotten interesting in here! Street having lustful thoughts of Atari, Stinger rising to defend her honor...Street Fruit you finally have something to good to read. Sex, and violence...I bet you can hardly contain yourself.
P.S.
I want tickets to the sledgehammer fight.

ATAR_i said...

You think I'm faaaaat? (crying desperately into my closet,.....I forgot I had those chain chaps).

It's bad enough that you want to pick me up (sicko), but now, you think I'm Old like ancient Israel - The pain - why do you inflict it on me so (mental note - hide the whip so this doesn't get violent).

Now you want to BBQ me because I'm old, fat and I won't sleep with you to conceive your child - what kind of madman are you?

warren, warren, Get Up (hurry, let me help you off with the handcuffs), there's this madman out there who wants me to have his baby and then BBQ me.

No no, not that kind of UP!

Stinger said...

Street, that was no apology! The gauntlet has been dropped, sir. Retrieve it or retreat, crying like a baby, into your little hiding place.

GBNF said...

Atar_i, street called you sister...now I know his is trying to hook up wit' you.
"your my sister, your my sister..."(joe dirt)

ATAR_i said...

warren, warren, what are you doing, take off the chaps and come inside.

(ots greets warren with a more than friendly embrace). Oh, those gay pedophiles are all alike!

The two ummmm.... hardheaded fellows seem like they are ummm, to....occupied....to see me creeping away.

Phew, escaped the OTS's BBQ pit and insemination plan this time! Better warn the boy scout troup to evacuate NOW!

Stinger said...

Well.....I guess streety won't be accepting my challenge. Perhaps when the two fellows are finished they will slink off into the sunset like the yellow dogs they are.

ATAR_i said...

: )

Anonymous said...

He streety I have noticed you don’t have much of a clue
So I would like to help you out. Here is your first free clue
My toaster gets more inspiration from God each day than
Warren Jeffs has gotten in his entire life.

Quietman (not being near as quiet as he should)

Men In Black said...

On The Street? We have exchanged emails directly haven't we? I just read the emails above and noted certain phrases that are familiar! Then the rubber mallet issue where you showed unexpected mercy on a gentile? It just struck me!

Jay

Stinger said...

Atar, it would appear that I have run streety clean out of town. Your honour is safe.

ATAR_i said...

Yes, but he follows me everywhere. I did notice they made him a second area (ugh), he must have complained (they always take the perpetrators side and not the victim).

Oh no, I feel a shameless bit of emotion coming on - will it ever end!

Stinger said...

There, there, Atar. The evil street has shown the yellow feather and left town.

onthestreet said...

The rain and the waters as often as I desire. Yet, who am I, but a nobody.

Stinger said...

Spoken like the true "man" that you are.




ROFLMAO

ATAR_i said...

What - you want to drown me now! What is this absurb vendetta you have against me?

All your pingy pangy, mishy mashy, double speaking, freaking creekin', lingo bingo, flashy dashy, hankie pankie, speak to this sassy lassie, slick chick just shows what a cellar dweller, super snooper, jingle brained, snobbie jobbie, fancy nancy, schmutz putz you really are.

Stinger said...

Ouch. Prenez garde de la femme.

ATAR_i said...
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ATAR_i said...

Mais je ne peux pas, il est un mauvais homme.

Stinger said...

I was meaning street should beware the woman.
L'enfer n'a aucune fureur comme une femme dédaignée.
Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

GBNF said...

Français Stupide!

Stinger said...

comment grossier

GBNF said...

Dumme Franzosen!
Is that better?

ATAR_i said...

strada stupida

Anonymous said...

That was pretty good stuff atar-i

I agree this blog needs a street sweeper, a deeper sweeper, a streety bleeper, or a streety-sweety keeper.

Or mabye a streety keeper-sweeter.

Stinger said...

странная дорога

I think there is finally some content in this thread that makes sense.

ATAR_i said...

I think my Russian is good enough to tackle this one - oh yeah - got it!

And de nada Anon, I enjoy my hank panks!