Friday, July 21, 2006

BANKING ON HEAVEN

I don't think the people who made this show have any really good idea of how polygamy works at all. To take Colorado City and make it the prime example of how it works is a disservice to all the other families out there. I think its more of just the same old media bias at work. Its very difficult for someone not involved in it , to understand. You people who made this movie have no real idea of polygamous life or will you probably ever. The stereo types and ones shown on TV are only the ones having problems. Not those for whom this has worked and is still working.

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's not about Polygamy, but the abuses of the FLDS. Who cares about polygamy.

And as I stated in a different thread...if nothing wrong is going on in the FLDS, then why not open the doors and welcome people in to show what a wonderful life it is. Why not be proud of the way you live and show everyone how happy the FLDS lifestyle is for them.

ATAR_i said...

btw - it's narcissistic to start your own thread for a reply to someone elses thread. Your ego must need it's own home.

Anonymous said...

As I understand it, the film is mainly focused on atrocities that have occured in the FLDS community. Have you seen the film?

Anonymous said...

As I understand it, the film focuses mainly on the atrocities that are occuring in the FLDS community. I haven't seen the film yet. Have you?

Anonymous said...

Hey Fundy,
The person who directed this film grew up in polygamy. She was part of the LeBaron group and she also lived in Short Creek for a while.

Yes, she does understand polygamy and how it works in Colorado City.

fundy said...

I think it is important to confront the stereotypes that the media is pumping out to the public on a daily basis about polygamy.

ATAR_i said...

Great - but do you have to create a new thread EVERY time you do that?

fundy said...

atrocities that are occuring in the FLDS community

Standard media hype. come on the FLDS are not having any more problems than people in other religions.

ATAR_i said...

Then why aren't you following warren?

fundy said...

Warren,the list of phony profits is very long indeed. Gordon B. Hinkleberry and on and on and on.
There are NO REAL PROFITS OUT THERE AT THIS TIME. Only charlatans, however there is soon to be one mighty and strong who will change that. Who will indeed wear the mantle of Authority from ON HIGH. He will make the LDS church become an after thought, it will be no more.......

ATAR_i said...

How will you know who this one mighty and strong is?

Anonymous said...

I see a Monty Python moment coming. lol

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ATAR_i said...

who are the enemies of zion?

fundy said...

This is pretty simple stuff. All countries have enemies that would attack them and destroy them, if they could. One only has to look at the nations around Israel and know they are trying to destroy Israel. They are being attacked constantly.

The nation of Zion when it comes to power will have an army. Believe me when I say it will be more than able to defend its self.

ATAR_i said...

Fundy, with each question I ask you - the first thing you do is slam me

" you have no understanding "
" this is really simple stuff "

I could actually NOT ask you these questions - and assume quite a lot - would you prefer that?

Would you prefer that when you make a statement, I take it to mean whatever I think it should mean? - honestly - that's how you want me to view your statements?

Or, would you prefer that I ask you questions, because I have no freakin idea what the heck your talkin about.

ATAR_i said...

Are the enemies of Zion and the enemies of the FLDS synonymous?

Is that something that is in your scriptures, or is that something that you just believe?

Anonymous said...

Fundy,


Again the movie has nothing to do with Polygamy but the abuses of the FLDS on it's members. I ask once again, if nothing wrong is going on, why not open your doors and show the public there is nothing to hide and you are proud of the lifestyle you live? Why live so secretly? Why have trucks of people that scare people out of town? Why do children have to run and hide when a stranger passes?

I can answer my own question and that is because the abuses ARE happening.

fundy said...
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Fredonia Friend said...

Fundy,

This blog was started to discuss the FLDS community's move to the YFZ compound in Texas. That's why it's called "TexasPolygamy"

Anonymous said...

Discussion is one thing, however it has become mostly an attack on the FLDS. The FLDS have had obvious leadership problems in the last few years. If in fact they had someone step up and take over they could get this turned around.

Anonymous said...

Fundy,
You said:
"It so very obvious you are trying to put someone in a position to attack their religious beliefs.

As so many of the contributors to this website do.

You need to understand that this country was born of religious freedom, and you and the others ought to practice your own religion and quite minding everyone elses religion."

Now go back and read your own posts YOU HYPOCRITE!

Anonymous said...

Fundy,

The one and only nation of Zion has an army and is using as we speak in Israel.

And I whole heartly agree with you that one should study the Mormon theology to understand the FLDS.
I for one have done so extensively.

Both doctrines are a danger to the public.

fundy said...

discuss yes, all out attack no. Thats not warreneted.

muggsey said...

Do I sense a dual personality? Fundy, just who are you and what do you believe? One passage you are on one side of the issue and in the next you've changed sides.

I know I speak for myself and think there are several others who regularly post here that say that we hold no grudge or desire for harm to FLDS rank and file. We believe sincerely that they are being used by individual(s) who know how to manipulate and force their will on otherwise intelligent persons. My argument is with the system of belief. It is so superficial, so self-serving, so un-natural, so idiotic that it is extremely difficult to understand how the leadership, i.e. Warren Jeffs has so warped the minds of his closest followers.

In effect Warren says: "I'm god and if you don't want me to send you away from your family obey, no matter how un-natural and un-healthy my request." "Work, work, toil, suffer, sacrifice, my blessing is worth it all." (In the meantime I'm in hiding with how many child brides, juvinile boys and women who are "wives" in the most loose fashion.) "Send money!!!!!!" Yea verily!

fundy said...

What's the difference. All organized religions are doing the same thing. Really manipulation is the key here. Come on all the religions are saying follow us to get to heaven. Send in your money, it will buy you heaven in the next life. The less inteligent the flock the better they won't think for themselves. The LDS have mastered the art of having an uneducated flock. That knows next to nothing of its rich LDS history.

The LDS have honed this skill of keeping the flock from knowing things into an art form. They have no end of history revision that goes on year after year.

Laying all this on FLDS when the LDS do a much better job at it than the FLDS do. Look around, all the relilgions are doing it. The LDS are masters of it.

There is a real religion underneath but there is absolutely no leadership in Mormondom that represents the true religion. Its all being twisted to suit the different sects.


Why settle for just going after the FLDS when the LDS are a much bigger target and just as twisted.

ATAR_i said...

Fundy - I was asking simple questions.

"How will you know who the one strong and might is?"

"Who are the enemies of Zion?"


Why can't you handle simple questions?

Are you just scared to give an honest answer?

Don't roll your lack of courage on my lap - I've no fear of stating my beliefs.

fundy said...

why can't you handle simple answers?

ATAR_i said...

You don't give answers this is what you gave to my simple question:

ME
" Are the enemies of Zion and the enemies of the FLDS synonymous? "

YOU
"You are so set on talking about the FLDS you don't seem to be able to handle discussions of other topics. And in order to talk about the FLDS them you really need some education of Mormon Doctrine. Do you have that? If not you really will never have a good understanding of the FLDS or The LDS.

It so very obvious you are trying to put someone in a position to attack their religious beliefs.

As so many of the contributors to this website do.

You need to understand that this country was born of religious freedom, and you and the others ought to practice your own religion and quite minding everyone elses religion."


YES or NO would have sufficed, and an explanation

That was AFTER I asked this simple question

"who are the enemies of zion?"

AND YOU DIDN'T ANSWER IT THEN EITHER

I WOULD LOVE IF YOU COULD GIVE A SIMPLE ANSWER

muggsey said...

Atar_i

In my experience I have observed that only intelligent beings are able to reduce any faction to it's lowest common denominator or any explanation to it's simplest terms.

These guys still are engaged in games of ring-a-ring-of roses, pocket pull of poseys, ashes, ashes, all fall down. They have no clew as to the game's association with the Black Death.

muggsey said...

'pull' should be 'full' typo, so sew me.

fundy said...

atar_1 go bother some one else. I am not interested in answering any one sided questions you have. Arrivederci, Caveat Emptor, find someone else to focus your attention on.

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Anonymous said...

Again Fundy, why post if you can't answer? She did ask simple questions out of curiosity. They did not sound mean spirited. Why not just answer her questions. They do NOT seem to be one sided. Seems maybe YOU are one sided. Or, again, you don't know the answer. It was not given in your brain washing classes.

Warren probably just told you what you wrote, without explanation. And, so you are not kicked out, you just follow and do. A little puppet at best.

fundy said...
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fundy said...

go bother some one else.

fundy said...

go bother some one else.

ATAR_i said...

I'll stop asking - got it.

Anonymous said...

Maybe some of them are just put off because you banned street from this blog.

ATAR_i said...

or not - (putz) - I lost all my compassion for your mental breakdown with your post on the last thread.

muggsey said...

Why should she? She's got your full attention and is obviously bothering you a great deal. You can't cope with her probing questions and extremely intelligent rebuttals.