Saturday, June 03, 2006

Where Did Polygamy Come From?????

It seems everyone is pointing their finger at the FLDS. Polygamy did'nt come from there, it came from the LDS Church run by Gordon B. Huckleberry. And the LDS Church is still a polygamous church. Although most of the members are not told that... Revenue and cash flow is the reason.

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

Amen and amen. Ironic isn't it that Sec. 132 of the D&C (the section on plural marriage)is still cannonized scripture for the LDS? Ironic that a man whose wife dies can then go to the LDS temple and be sealed for all time and eternity to another woman, now having two wives in the afterlife? But the LDS claims to not support polygamy in any way... Ironic.

onthestreet said...

Yes, ironic, but for the LDS, it's also erotic, and quite pathetic really. Plural marriage is NOT for the unfaithful or faint of heart, those who give up principles for political gain, what the Lord calls whoring after the world.

fundy said...

Thus saith the almighty federal government to my subject Wilford Woodruff, thou shalt serve me and have no others before me. Thou shall give up polygamy or thou shalt forfiet all thy property and be cast into prison, along with thy other breathern. Come serve me and be my servant. And sell thy soul for gain, and thou shalt prosper in the land.

fundy said...

The Magical Manefestos:



This is very simple. To vote to continue polygamy would have allowed the government even more opportunities to persecute and prosecute LDS members. That is why the smoke screen of the manifestos was fabricated. It allowed them to continue to practice polygamy while distracting the federal government. And that's exactly what they did for decades to come. The LDS Church never got serious about leaving the practice of polygamy until its membership became very large and those practicing it were mostly very old or had passed away. Then the percentage left trying to keep it going were a very small percentage. Neglegable, when compared to the very large membership. However, there are cases of LDS higher leadership still continuing with it into the 1960s and possibly beyond. The witch hunts for it are new, it has been tolerated for MANY years in the LDS Church. I would assume once GBH is out of there it could become tolerated there again. A true Mormon believes in the principal , no matter what the official line of disinformation and endless denial tells you. You need to look past the smoke screen.


And thats the very reason the real revelation by President John Taylor on polygamy was not voted on.

fundy said...

The LDS Church is very much a cameleon church.

It major changes have always come when there is maximum pressure to do so. That should put a red flag in your thinking rigth away.

It has always compromised itself and doctrine to remain popular and a money maker, big time.


I would say 90% of the people in Utah are in the LDS religion because of the money it generates.
Which it does.

And being a brethern allows one to tap into the cash flow.

And the other 10% are TBM (true believing mormons ) who don't really know their religion or its history. They are sheep being led to the slaughter.

Anonymous said...

Hey fundy

I am an xplig Kid who left the apostate fundys to join back with the mother church. Not because I wanted to tap into the money. I do however believe that the privilege of paying my 10 percent to Gods true Church blesses my life in ways that spending it on myself never would. If you take a close look at the fundy religions you will see that they started with much the same organization that the LDS church now has but have given up most if not all the principles of the gospel to focus on this one principle polygamy. They have removed Christ from their churches and teachings. They have removed the free agancy of their members. As child growing up in CC I did not see the whole pitcher but as an adult looking back I can see that the organization in CC is the Satanic plan in practice the church controls every aspect of you life. forces all to do right, no personal choice even in one of the most important decisions you will ever make that being who to marry and make a family with.

So bash Gods church all you want
it will still be his church and you will still be wasting all our time whining about it :)

Quietman

fundy said...

There are NO true churches out there. The LDS have as many problems as the FLDS. However they do have alot of help groups, So whatever works for you.

The LDS have just as many doctrine problems as the FLDS.

There are no churches out there living the doctrine as originally set up by Joseph Smith.

All the Mormon Churches and their branches are apostate churches even the high and mighty LDS church. Except for some very small branches.

Anonymous said...

The LDS Mormon church might not be true in your opinion, but IMO they are more correct than anything you have posted, re: Hinckley Sermon

Speaking of churches, you forgot the one's in Eldorado, Texas: Eldorado, Texas Churches

fundy said...

To be quite honest there is no where to go. More correct is not acceptable. It either is or is'nt. The LDS church has become a prepartory church, only pointing the way towards the fullness. Much as tithing is only the lesser law, where the Law of Consecration is the higher law. The LDS church has nether the Priesthood or its Power nor can it offer salvation, it can only point to a higher standard which it has lost. However the True Church is soon to arise, in Zion. Then the LDS Church will wither and die and be no more. Its members will inherit destruction and death.

ex creeker said...

r u trippin fundy?

ATAR_i said...

This is a link to an acrobat file I found.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f/PolygamyLeaders.pdf

It has photos, the different names of the polygamous groups, where they split from, names, dates, photos.

Anonymous said...

From the BIBLE!

ATAR_i said...

I doubt polygamy "came" from the Bible. The Bible contains a written record which includes men having more than one wife.

But we might never know the first time it was practiced. Was it necessity, honor - it will interesting to one day find out.

ATAR_i said...

I am including a link to a photo album. I have only seen drivers license and portrait photos of warren. This series of photos are from Alta Academy yearbooks.

mugwump said...

Polygamy in all probability came about as the result of any of several events.

Situation #1: Wife #1 is barren so man takes second wife to ensure that he has heirs.

Situation #2 Leaders of one ancient "city-state" make war against another "city-state": possessions were considered as spoils of war an included gold, silver, spices, cloth, livestock, women and children. Woman #2 - 5000 were in effect concubines. One or two of the younger, prettier, smarter ones might get preferential treatment. Children were usually placed in slavery, the youngest boys neutered to serve as eunuchs, the girls, especially the pretty ones, groomed for gifts to other tribesmen for favors etc. the bult were trained as servents and slaves.

Situation #3 In hard times where there were surplus women in relation to men, the women may have been taken as wives to relieve their poverty.

Situation #4 Men of great weslth and position built a harem from the choice of all unmarried women.

Situation #5 A man can not control his sexual urges and becomes a phalanderer, not seeking marriage but sexual satisfaction.

THERE ARE PROBABLY TEN THOUSAND OTHER REASONS COULD COOK UP. TO ME THESE ARE THE MOST LOGICAL.

fundy said...

these explanations may fit, however in many countries of the world polygamy has been praticed without much fan fare and stil is. However polygamy as far as the western US and Utah and other states close to it, the driving force which brought it to be was the LDS religion. And no matter what Gordon B. Hinckleberry and his many denials of it try and tell you, its a major part of the LDS religion. It is a cornerstone of the LDS religion. And yes it is still very much there. Most LDS members have no idea what their religion has and is. Hinckleberry is not only not a profit he does'nt even have any understanding of his own religion. He is a business man and thats all he knows. And for all you LDS out there, the LDS is a money making business and that is what it has become. A BUSINESS.

Anonymous said...

Fundy,

Sometimes people join a religion that they know has no foundation simply for the spirituality, friends, and support group. They don't like a lot of railing; they may be fully aware that their religion is groundless.

ATAR_i said...

Fundy,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was a revelation, after the tablets - correct?

Is there any one revelation that has such veneration in your view as D&C 132?

fundy said...

not sure what your question is? 132 is only one of many revelations on polygamy. The problem is once it was outlawed by the US government it went underground. And then the official LDS line was to deny and still is, while it continued.

ATAR_i said...

I understand. You just mention it as a cornerstone - yet, it was a revelation that came after the foundation of mormonism - yes?

mugwump said...

From several of the histories of the foundation of mormonism I have had the opportunity to read "D&C 132" came to Joseph Smith shortly after his wife found him in bed with another woman. It's amazing how revelations occur.

Ex post facto. Caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Anonymous said...

I am intrigued by Warren’s obsession with the perfect race. Does the FLDS think they are the perfect race? If so, why would a perfect race in-breed? This rational creates perfect idiots; history and genetics will attest to philosophy. The parallels between Warren and Hitler are intriguing. The parallels between Warren and Jim Jones are frightening. I urge all to read “FEET OF CLAY : Saints, Sinners, and Madmen: A Study of Gurus” by Anthony Storr -

Sorry - accidently posted on this on wrong thread - I am learning.

ATAR_i said...

Whatever happened with Patrick Pipkin - did his uncle, mother and siblings move from the house - or did they stay - anyone know?

onthestreet said...

ATAR Said: But we might never know the first time it was practiced. Was it necessity, honor - it will interesting to one day find out. 6/05/2006 7:24 AM


STREET's Reply: If you look up in the sky and look past our neighboring planets, beyond our Sun and the star-group to which it belongs, and past the star-cluster, until you reach the center of our local galaxy, and then look beyond that, past Andromeda and the galactic groups and cluster to which our galaxy belongs, and past other galactic clusters, to the center of the known universe, and then look beyond that, past the group and cluster of universes to which our universe belongs, to other universal clusters, and on to infinity, you will still have not reached the beginning of plural marriage, or the first time it was practiced.

This is why it is called ETERNAL increase.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said (6/05/2006 8:31 PM):
I understand. You just mention it as a cornerstone - yet, it was a revelation that came after the foundation of mormonism - yes?

STREET's Reply: "The Four Standard Works" constitute the foundation of Mormonism:

1. The Holy Bible (Michael)
2. The Book Of Mormon (Jehovah)
3. The Doctrine & Covenants (Joseph)
4. The Pearl of Great Price (Enoch)

The FLDS Church is the only church on earth that takes it all as its foundation, while ALL other churches on the earth accept only some of the testaments of these four governing personnel, or none at all.

Even the Mormon LDS Church, and all the other offshoots of Mormonism including the LDS, reject parts of these testaments, and therefore they reject the whole.

ATAR_i said...

Thanks for that explanation about the books. So D&C is a cornerstone. It's just probably bad grammer to state that just ONE revelation out of it is cornerstone - when you actually believe the WHOLE BOOK is.

Street - question - Do you receive revelations? If so, how often? Can you tell me about your most recent, or most interesting?

Anonymous said...

Street, you stated "The FLDS Church is the only church on earth that takes it all as its foundation, while ALL other churches"

This is a key to detecting cults; they think are the only ones right.

Now, I know for a fact, the FLDS picks and chooses its scriptures. Consider section 101, the right to a fair trial. We don't do trials that way. When Ron Rohbock was asked out, one of the 12 was asked why and what went on at the trial, and he replies that there was no trial.

onthestreet said...

6/09/2006 1:12 PM

In both church and gentile courts, defendants are quite often tried in abstentia. There, they do indeed have trials, because we do indeed believe in the right to a fair trial. In fact, it is often far more fair without the embarassment of their presence, because they do indeen know their crimes. All people know when they do wrong, and setting them free is the fairest act of kindness. What they do after that is key, whether they rebel or repent.

Nonny: Name one instance where the FLDS picks and chooses, or rejects any revelation from God. Your Sec. 101 example is just not factual, as you can see. They couldn't have been excommunicated without a trial. The excommunication is the sentence of a trial.

But know this. The trials in God's church are not like the trials in gentile courts. Justice is more swift (and kind) with God. There was no GENTILE trial, so he was right. One man and God is the majority, and the angels are the jury.

ATARI: We all receive revelations every day, even from God.

Anonymous said...

Correction--my memory served me wrong. The section is 102.

ATAR_i said...

Who is we all. Are you speaking for a group of people. If so, I'd prefer just to ask you.

Is the immaculate conception a revelation that you had?

Not the historial immaculate conception of Mary. But immaculate conception for today?

Anonymous said...

hey street
a few examples of the flds picking and choosing

1 Tim. 3: 2
2 A bishop then must be ablameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, bsober•, of good behaviour, given to chospitality, apt to dteach•;


Jacob 2: 27
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

Jacob 3: 5
5 Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins, are more righteous than you; for they have not forgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father—that they should have save it were one wife, and concubines they should have none, and there should not be whoredoms committed among them

ATAR_i said...

What book is Jacob in?

Anonymous said...

the book of mormon

onthestreet said...

Yes, the Lord often had to tell the people that they "Shall have but one wife", if that, the very same thing that the Lord has now had to tell hundreds of people cast out in our day, because of their unworthiness to have women placed by their side.

Of course, you who have but one, "shall have even that one taken away, saith the Lord. You quote scripture that the Lord gave against Plural Marriage for the wicked, while conveniently ignoring the commandments of God to the righteouse to take many wives and concubines.

Quite telling, is it not.

Mat 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25. And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27. Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Anonymous said...

I don't interpret the parable of talents meaning to play bunker's hill with women. I interpret it to mean "GET OFF YOUR PIOUS BUTT AND WORK, and SUPPORT YOUR OWN FAMILY"

onthestreet said...

The ultimate talent of a man is to know how to value a good woman, and if you have had your women taken away, it was for that very sin: Sitting on your "pious butt" and not supporting your family in the way of the Lord. To even mock one's references to the Word of God is proof of gross impiety and crimes against society.

onthestreet said...

See, if you are offended by God's word, then you sin against God and man, both. Your impiety becomes more than just impiety, but assault against what is good in society as well. Then you will have to hide from the Lord, cry Uncle, and hide like a Ratt.

Anonymous said...

Uncle Ratt in hiding?!!!

What's Uncle Warren doing, taking an all expense paid vacation to the Bahamas?

He's playing hide and seek, and for one I hope someone can earn the $100,000.00 reward pretty soon.

I'm tired of all the excuses made in his behalf by wanna believe followers who are just beginning to gain some degree of understanding about what has been happening to them for the last few years.

How does it feel to be evicted???

How do you like being skinned alive?

You want to blame someone, WJ's your man. He fits the bill perfectly. Fraud, pedofile, thief, adulterer, sodomite. MY WHAT CLASS !!!!

rcn

onthestreet said...

Anonymous (rcn) said: 6/19/2006 5:46 PM

Uncle Ratt in hiding?!!! What's Uncle Warren doing, taking an all expense paid vacation to the Bahamas? REPLY: He is continually on vacation, and he has vacated YOU, see? Christ did the same. “He HID HIMSELF”, and “God hides His face”, saith the Lord, but now comes out of His hiding place to vex the nations with His wrath. Those who are offended by God and by His Word must therefore try to hide from God, like a RATT, and “shall even call on the mountains to fall upon them” (Hosea 10:8, Rev. 6:16).

YOU SAY: “He's playing hide and seek, and for one I hope someone can earn the $100,000.00 reward pretty soon”. REPLY: “And their hopes shall be dashed to pieces, saith the Lord”. See, you worship the strength of a best:

Rev. 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.


YOU SAY: I'm tired of all the excuses made in his behalf by wanna believe followers…REPLY: Yes, you are very tired, but it is of your own excuses and your wanna to believe but can’t, because of your complete rejection of God’s Word.

YOU SAY: How does it feel to be evicted??? How do you like being skinned alive? REPLY: Most people on the earth have seen men evicted for failing to pay their rent or legitimate taxes, or for violating the law of the householder, all justified. Then they eventually see most of them repent, get over it and improve and begin to thrive, at least temporally. However, the Church is after both, for without the lower face (the saints supporting the Prophet), ye cannot behold the upper face of God, and without the upper face (the light and wisdom of the Prophet), ye cannot enjoy the lower face or the temporal salvation of God.

SKINNED ALIVE? Isaac faced much more, even sacrifice on the altar, yet true saints survive the trial. How about the “loss of your possessions”? “Except a man sacrifice all that he hath, he can in no wise enter into the Kingdom of God”. Again, you only complain from your own perversions and pride, not knowing the ways of God.

YOU SAY: You want to blame someone, WJ's your man. He fits the bill perfectly. Fraud, pedofile, thief, adulterer, sodomite. MY WHAT CLASS! REPLY: Yes of course, devils, accusers of the brethren, will blame the saints day and night, and twist the truth, and fantasize many falsehoods that thrive within themselves, until they are dragged down to Hell. Then what class will you be, but a class of devils.

Anonymous said...

If ever I have seen an accuser of brethren, it has been Warren. I, myself, heard him tell a man that he has been unsuccessful in digging up dirt against him, so keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

OTS,
Check!

Anonymous said...

ots

checkmate. lay down your king, you lost.

onthestreet said...

Sorry, you can't lay down Christ and His official officiating for Him in the earth:

"He who finds his life, shall lose it, and he who loses shall find".

Check Breed (I mean...mate).

Uncle Ratt said...

OTS,
Hey, Steve, when you said, "He who finds his life, shall lose it," did you mean "mind" instead of life? It sounds like you have lost your mind. It also sounds like you have never had a life to lose. What does Christ have to do with your prophet Warren? He cannot represent Christ. He does not even speak the same language.

Anonymous said...

uncle ratt:

For once I have to say AMEN to your post. 1. ots has lost his mind and 2. wj doesn't have the saving knowledge of Christ, how can he represent HIM?

it appears that we're beginning to have positive effect on the little weasel.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Yah, but weasels can get into the closest quarters, ya know.