Tuesday, June 20, 2006

Warren Jeffs Worth A Large Reward ???

Well WJ may have a reward on him, however this guy is nothing but a small time pervert at best. Certainly not a top 10 criminal in the least. Only a religious fanatic who has gone over the edge.
He tried to keep doing business like they used to in the creek, times are a changing and he didn't see it coming. And it ran him over. Women in the creek simply won't put up with the nonsense any longer. He started making trouble with his own congregation and now they may just as soon turn him in. He has made alot of large mistakes and is paying for them now. He would appear to be a true religious fanatic.


This is more of a witch hunt than anything else. A lot to do about very little. Certainly not worthy of national coverage. The media needs a religious fanatic to cover so he got elected.

49 comments:

fttc said...

????!

It is the women who have given him his power in CC. Doing business as they always have??? warren has so turned things on their head that it hardly resembles anything from the past. Fundy was apparently not ever associated personally with the FLDS. He knows not of what he speaks. This does keep the blog active though which must be what he is attempting to accomplish.

fundy said...

Come on now. They have been marring of girls, underage , forever....... nothing new about that...Yes the they have had much better leaders...

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with Fundy. I think that all the hype that the media is giving this situation is insane. All it is doing is validating all of Warren's "prophecies". I think if the media and the feds would back off and quit "fulfilling prophecy" then the people would see what is really going on. But, as long as the hype keeps up, then all it does is give credence to Warren's word.

Also, putting him on the FBI's 10 most wanted list is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard of. There are way worse criminals out there that should be focused on. Warren is not in the same class as Osama Bin Laudin. And what is America coming to if people cannot live their religion, no matter how stupid it seems to others? I was evicted from CC with a lot of others, and while I agree that things are far from perfect, I don't believe that this situation is being handled any better than if Warren was calling the shots.

Anonymous said...

Look at the dollars. Hasn't he already done more than $100,000 damage to lost boys that will have a difficult time supporting a family? Boys denied an education and now kicked out at an age where they need a father teaching them the lessons of life.

Anonymous said...

Are any of the FLDS faithful making an effort to assist the "lost boys?" If you can support three wives and umteen children per wife surely an extra boy or two couldn't be much of a burden. Most accounts of the goings on among the cult would make us in the outside world believe that each and every one of the "lost boys" is partially related to most of you. Where is your compassion? They don't seem to be lazy or unwilling to work. If anything, their interest in girls is quite normal, but then, that is the problem, competition from strong, virile youth; and therein lies the heart of the problem.

rcn

Anonymous said...

First off to say that Warren does not deserve to be on the 10 most wanted list is as absurd as saying that they have been doing the same things for years. He is a sick man that has hurt so many people. He is not ever going to stop unless someone does something that extreme. When I was FLDS I thought the day would never come that the law would stop the abuse. It is obvious that the postings saying it is not "Warrented" are coming from people he has not hurt. There is no one in this country that has hurt so many people with malicious and purposeful actions as Warren Jeffs. How many crimes does he need to commit before he is worthy of the 10 Most wanted? If he murdered one person or destroyed the homes and lives of 5000 men, women and children it would be the same. He is not physically killing them with his hands, but he is killing them and their futures. Those children deserve to be protected like any other child in America. How dare you presume his innocence when you are not his victim? Get a grip and find the facts before you pass judgment on the system.


Also why would any FLDS member want to help one of their own lost boys? That would make it easier for them to succeed, and we were all told that when a person apostatizes he is left to the devil to be abandoned by God and they we WOULD fail. To help them would only stop them from feeling guilty for being an apostate and it would also make them look like liars. It is a continuation of the abuse.

As for the under age marriages being done for years there is more detail to that. Yes they were done up to a point in time and then Uncle Roy stopped them and asked for the girls to wait until they were at least 18. He told u that part of our religion was to be within the law. It was when the Jeff's took back over that it started up again. There were underage girls married within the other time, but it was by their own choice to get married. What Warren is doing is much worse that anything the other leader ever did. He behaves like he has no conscience. He was once just narcissistic but turned psychotic some where along the lines.

More power to the law. Catch him and let the families be at peace.
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Look at the damage just to one family and try to put a price on it. There is no amount of money that is enough to compensate his for his genocide

Who cares if they see it as fullfilling his prophesies, he needs stoped. It cannot make it true only him more determined to do more crimes. It makes him think he is immortal, and God when in reality he uses that to get the people to think it is the media and the law at fault. Get real here.

Anonymous said...

Warren is only doing what Brigham Young did way back then and even admitted it.
Marrying young girls to older men.

fundy said...

Well lets get realistic here. The problem lies not with WJ, but people who let him do it to them. And not standing up to him. Somebody should have shot WJ and Sam Barlow a long , long , time ago. Sam is still in the creek, the people there ought to have a vigilance comitee and take care of him once and for all. A vigilance commitee is the way of the west, and the way get a job done like WJ and Sam Barlow and whatever else of the Jeffs family taken care of, in proper fasion.

Anonymous said...

IMO the reward is to small, because of the possiblity that Warren Jeffs may want to go out in a "Blaze of Glory" like David Koresh, taking many of his followers with him-women & children.

It's important that Jeffs be arrested and put on public trial so the world can see him for what he is, a crook! Hope that LE dosen't get themselves in a Waco like situation where Jeffs shows up an says here I am, come and get me, useing armed followers to fight LE when they come in. Jeffs useing suicide by cop to make himself a martyr, what a loser!

fundy said...

No , he can go in a blaze of glory that would be just fine and dandy. They need to find this crack pot. and arrest sam barlow at the same time.

Anonymous said...

Did you get that street? We are going to hang your WJ from nearest tree. Hang em high. Then we're going go look up sam barlow.

Anonymous said...

Go get him! 11:27. What about the bounty hunters? Would they be able to get to him if they wanted or fight his "bodyguards"? People keep talking about another "Waco" or "Jonestown". I sure hope not as I've read about both groups in detail & I hate to see history repeat itself again. Such is life.

fundy said...

It seems the law is unable to even come close to catching this pervert.

Anonymous said...

The higher the reward, the better the chance is that they can catch Warren without many of his followers being harmed in the process.
The best scenario would be for an insider to report on the movements of Warren so that they can capture him in transit when he is only surrounded by his thugs and not several hundred of his followers.
It would be a tremendous risk for an insider to do that and the reward needs to be worth that risk.

onthestreet said...

A LIGHT ON A HILL CANNOT BE HID.

Anonymous said...

So, why is Warren hiding?

fundy said...

Well a pervert in the bushes seems to be staying hid there , street.
WJ top ten pervert. WJ the perv. In his movies he comes accross as a perv. Twinkle toes. He needs to twinkle his toes into the slammer.
Boy I wish they would catch this perv. Going to be a big time news event , can't wait. WJ screeming from the slammer... YES

Anonymous said...

What about the 400 boys that aren't LOST. Sounds like your the perv.When you point a finger you have 3 pointing back. Your a creep.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said... So, why is Warren hiding? 6/21/2006 6:22 PM

Christ HID, and God says that He HIDES His face, yet they are the light. We can enjoy their light if we would, but no man will be forced to heaven. You can just as well curse the Sun and its light and heat, and when it disturbs your darkness.

Anonymous said...

I agree with anon 1102am. Someone on the "inside" will have to rat him out & decide if it's worth it. I just wonder what authority the bounty hunters have if they wanted to get to him & what would happen.

Anonymous said...

Christ very well may have hid, butI guarantee it wasn't because he molested children. That is the reason Warren is hiding. There is no simliarities between Warren and Christ. Warren is a freak that takes advantage or adults and chilren alike. Christ gave what he had to anyone: not keeping it for himself. I have yet to hear that Warren can change water to wine or part a sea. I have yet to hear that Warren has touched someone and healed them..although I have heard he has "Touched" many. It just didn't have anything to do with healing.

Anonymous said...

Psychology and the power of the mind is amazing. I am sure that people can be healed by having their leader come for a visit and bless them. I don't consider that evidence of a man being a prophet of God, however.

miraclesandlove said...

Until someone on the inside gets past the fear and brainwashing that they will go to Hell for turning him in, he will not be ratted out. The teachings are so deep; they run in the veins of them just like in OTS who defends the injustices and abuses. Until someone realizes how much they have been lied to and is willing to accept the fact that they have been following a man, and one with evil works, then and only then will he be ratted out.

I remember the anxiety I felt when I realized the facts of it, and yet the fear of getting past it and seeing how controlled my mind was difficult. Tremendous guilt ensued. FLDS and EX FLDS have an image to protect and to admit they have been deceived is very hard, and very humiliating. It takes a very humble person to look at themselves and admit how naive they have been and how manipulated they were. It is so very hard, and yet once past that and the reality that God still loves them and will bless them more for admitting it, then and only then will anyone of them rat him out.

It is a sick situation. I use to hear someone say," I got kicked out". I use to say to them, “congratulations, you are one of the chosen". I believe that is true as it takes a special spirit to get through it and have any self worth.

I remember when Louis Barlow was faced with the decision of letting his family stand by him and go with him or not and how he sent them back to do what WJ told them to do. He could not admit that for all those years he had been used and deceived. His whole life would have looked like a lie and he probably could not bare the pain he felt for having been so manipulated. He died a lonely man and so will the rest of those kinds of men, and women. My mother was one of those people and she died very sad.

Once before she died I was shown a vision of her being very happy and was told that when she died she would be happy and enlightened. I was told that she would be relieved to find out that she did not have to put me out of her life. It allowed me to have hope for her and me. I do not believe that this life is the end of our time to learn and repent. It would be senseless for things to be so rigid and set in stone with a God that so loves. I know that doing your best is what God wants of us. Admitting when we are wrong and making things different is what Jesus taught.

I feel great love for the people caught up in the WJ web of lies as it cannot be easy to escape just as a black widows web holds a fly so it his trap.

May God bless you all FLDS and other to acknowledge the greatness we all have access to and the best reason of all to use it. To be the best and to be like God is my goal.

Thanks for letting me tell you my opinion of things.

Anonymous said...

Annon 6/20 8:12

From your post I gather that you have parted company with wj's blessed. Perhaps it is incumbent upon the community who stand without the inner circle of wj's madness to take it upon themselves to take these boys in and give them training and care. They need to learn that they are valued. If they are taught that they have no value then they are the very ones who in the future will become your greatest source of trouble. Love can conquer rejection. Of all the emotions that you can offer, unconditional love is the hardest to give and, the hardest to take. In other societies it is called "tough love". What is meant by this term differs, but essentially basic rules are set. These rules have to do with life, health, obedience to those who have taken responsability for your care and respect for others.

Failure to stay within these broad parameters will cause loss of priviledge and even revolcation of the right to be provided for. Decisions are reached only after frank talk and understanding of just what the rule imply and examples of those things not permited. A single mistake should be puished but banishment is not yet the only recourse. Additional work, responsibility, loss of priviledge etc. often bring the youth into line. Youth wannt parameters. If you give them strict guidelines, and enforce the rules, trouble will be the exception rather than the rule.

Any person, male or female needs to learn to make intelligent decisions and also to give love voluntarly not out of fright and fear.

Tough Love is "tough" on all those agreeing to its tenants, but the end result justifies the means.

It means not only that the teen has to obey but that the adult has to assume the leadership role to praile, council or punish as becomes necessary.

rcn

rcn

Anonymous said...

RCN

You want to be careful taking in a lost boy, lest you are guilty of harboring a run-a-way. Sometimes, peoples hands are tied and they can't help.

Anonymous said...

6/23/2006 10:14 AM
rcn

I took in many of the cast off children. I realized that I was never one of the "blessed" and soon after was ousted. However, I have become very cautious. All that I have done has not always been good for me and mine. Those kids/ young adults have no concept of broad parameters and when tough love was used they turn on the very people that loved them unconditionally. I took in upwards of 15 of them and all but 2 of them took my things and sold them, gave drugs-alcohol to my minor children and never lifted more that a few seconds a day of help if that for their upkeep. When I asked rent from them or to commit to specific duties they called me a clean freak and a bitch. Almost all felt they were above the law and one even turned me into the law when I asked him to quit making improper advances to my daughter and move out. I believe that the majority of young kids kicked out were selfish and had low self worth. Probably as high as 98% of them were like I’ve said and it stopped them from appreciating anything I did for them no matter that it was unconditional love. As you said it is one of the hardest things to accept. It takes a mind change for them to accept it and appreciate it. My own children were in much the same condition when I left and as time has gone by the ones that were small when I got them out have done much better. The older ones still struggle with life in general. Taking responsibility for the things they do is the most difficult of all. They take after the FLDS role models that were shoved in their face for so m any years and are compelled to blame it on anyone except them.

I was raised in the FLDS but outside of CCA until I was married and then spent many years watching the dysfunction of the whole town. I married someone much like OTS who had a one track mind and defended the "prophet" even at the expense of his wife and children. I was very lucky to have seen other ways of life and was much better at adapting back into society than the run of the mill EX FLDS. I believe that was a great blessing and yet it has broken my heart to see the path of emotional and spiritual devastation done to the youth of the FLDS.

Helping them was given with all my heart. Now I only help a select few that have been able to show they are respectful and willing to go beyond the bizarre form of dysfunction they were raised with. The rest of them need 24 hour surveillance or maybe the military to keep them from self destruction. It is sad but true. It seems that the people leaving in the past few years have been better at moving on, but I credit that to the great numbers of them and the adult population that are in the same boat as them. It seems that the guilt is much less severe and the ability to recover greater. I know that for myself helping the masses would take me down also because I have limited resources and need to take care of my own first and foremost. I love them all with the greatest of compassion, but cannot risk losing what I have worked so hard for again.

God bless all of them with the power to overcome and show the way to others in the future.

Anonymous said...

12:08 I copy your concern and believe that you are absolutely right. In order to be in compliance with the law, a permit should be obtained from child protective services agency. This would subject you to an investigation and repeated meetings with officials to ensure that you were in compliance with the rules governing such charitable occasions. You might be elegible to get some financial help through the agency until the child reached the age of eighteen.

Thanks for the input.

rcn

Anonymous said...

4:12

I praise your attempt to do what you believe in your heart is the right thing to do. These boys must have been in a state of rebellion for some time, how sad. Most youth who succeed have been nurtured and loved from infancy, have received appropriate admonishment and even punishment when their behavior went outside the parameters of good judgement.

How very sad that too many of the ones who could make changes in the near future suffered the wrath of the ones who should have been their very role models throughout life. I personally believe that if the incidents of misbehavior were individually investigated that there would be common thread to show that somehow these boys had an independent spirit that was supressed in the name of absolute insistance upon total obedience. I seriously doubt that any of these boys ever developed a close relationship with their father and in all probability were abused by older children in the family. Even if they had an older brother who had stepped in as their mentor and protector at a young age their surly disposition might have been altered.

The individual has certain inborn properties that are often detrimental to their maturing. This deficiency can often be overcome if they have someone who will be their guiding light.

Childhood is hard enough without being made the butt of jokes, being beaten and cursed for the least offense and never having love demonstrated in their lives. Too often these boys have not only been psychologically abused but physically and sexually abused. The abuse that they have seen in their growing years is determined to be the standard, in their mind, and therefore they resort to many of the same practices as they grow older. This lack of parenting is one of the most dastardly crimes of the polygamous community. If a child thinks of himself with low self esteem, is constantly being put down and beaten how can he/she be expected to suddenly become the darling. They see elder brothers thrown away and know that in all probability, when the time is right, they too are disposible.

I thank you for your candid note. If those people within the FLDS community would awaken to just what is really happening among themselves they could correct the problem. If they will, that, in all all probability, is unlilely to happen.

Thank you for your efforts.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Reply to Anonymous, at 6/23/2006 12:08 PM

Taking in one of the Lost Boys probably will NOT get you involved in CPS or any other government agency.

There seems to be a double standard with CPS. If the youth is a runaway and the parents file a report, then CPS will just send the child (usually a girl) back to the Creek.

The Lost Boys are not considered runaways. They were kicked out or left on their own and the parents don't care where they are or how they are doing.

So CPS just ignores the underage Lost Boys living in the area.

Go ahead and take one of the boys into you home. Give him the love and affection and attention he wants and needs.

The chances are slim that CPS or any other government agency will ever know. And if they know, chances are that they won't care or do anything about it.

This is such a double standard, but a sad fact of live in southern Utah. It all has to do with the young girls being a commodity and the young boys being a detriment.

fundy said...

This is all interesting, however it still comes down to a people letting some one do this to them. They should have more sense. But apparently they don't, however this is not limited to the FLDS, the LDS are just as much into mind control as WJ only they are much more sutble at it . And do it much more successfully. All people in all the organized religions are following in the same manor as the FLDS. This is NOT uncommon.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (6/22/2006 1:51 PM):

Christ very well may have hid, butI guarantee it wasn't because he molested children. That is the reason Warren is hiding. There is no simliarities between Warren and Christ. Warren is a freak that takes advantage or adults and chilren alike. Christ gave what he had to anyone: not keeping it for himself. I have yet to hear that Warren can change water to wine or part a sea. I have yet to hear that Warren has touched someone and healed them..although I have heard he has "Touched" many. It just didn't have anything to do with healing.


STREET’s Reply: Christ was accused of every crime in the book, INCLUDING the molesting of children. Did he not say: “Let the little children come unto me”? That alone is enough for perverts to accuse anyone of their own practice and disposition. So your “guarantee” falls to pieces each time it walks by. Warren is not hiding at all. He is just living at home, minding his business, the business of the Lord, and very Christ-like. The Lord Himself was deemed a freak who took advantage of adults and children alike, by those who accused him of everything they could think up in their little perverted minds.

You say: “Christ gave what he had to anyone”. Christ said (Mt. 25:29): “For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath”.

See, your lies are obvious. Warren Jeffs healed ME, body and soul. There, now you have heard it from an eye-witness, and I have heard THOUSANDS say the same, and witnessed many of them myself.

Anonymous said...

If Warren healed street and he is acting like he is on the blog, keep this medicine man away from my family.

Anonymous said...

ots

you are so hung up on this "hiding" thing why don't you do all of us a favor and go hide yourself. poor guy acts just like he is a dog trying to pass a peach seed.

Anonymous said...

ots

your presence would mess up the muster of mariners on a one man submarine. He quotes with "authority" from scripture no one can find. His choice of scripture passsages to illustrate any point are so far off the mark that before you can see where his 'logic' is headed you must return to the previous posting to enable you to see just what it is that ots is attempting to make. His asinine insanity is beginning to demonstrate itself more completely each day.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Well, some of you obviously wonder about me, no doubt. I often wonder about you people too. You have shown the world how a community treats its neighbor. What’s the matter? Does your bladder blabber onya sometimes, and especially in the latter days of life when you gather with the fathers, hither and thither? That’s what you’d call a blabber-bladder. All are being gathered to judgement, doncha know? You are also being judged DAILY. Aint ya havin no knowleged of nuttin?

The YFZ folks hardly visit you, like the news has been saying. Can you blame them. They are quite aware of your incontinence, some of you, and how you feel about children and large families, and how gullible you are to believe the lies of a thousand tongues, proceeding forth from corrupt minds. And now your law-enforcement has voiced it clearly, through the pilot. This doesn’t describe all of you, of course. Thank God for those who maintain a semblance of sanity in your humble abode.

As for sodomy, the only boy who charged with sodomy, under intense pressure from both parents and grandparents, has confessed, saying: “It had nothing to do with truth”. There you have it. So what is the true state of your own hearts and minds, some of you, that you can be so riled by falsehood, just because it was spoken and excited the corruption of the mind. It only manifests your own warfare within.

The FLDS have outlawed you visiting them, for good reason, to protect the women and children who have to run and hide everytime your snoop-plane approaches. That is why your snoop-photos show so little activity, and why your pilot has to say: “All is quiet on the ranch”, because very few human beings on the earth relish having photos of their families plastered on the World-Wide-Web, with which in turn some government pawns analyze and plot further assaults, photos that can be zoomed all the way up to the hairs in your nostrils. You call that privacy?

No matter. They being saints, are not complaining and they don’t assume to vote you out of office. Just some outcast making observations, while they quietly and admirable mind their business and remain good neighbors. They continue building their homes, raising their families, worshipping God day and night as one united church, and yearning for zion. It is in their very name. Now that’s a good neighbor and loving your neighbor as yourself, like some of you still do towards us.

I believe the people of Eldorado and Texas are friendly by nature. At least, that’s the hype, if you can cast out or reign in the scoundrals and the unneighborly in your cities, like the Prophet has done. In some ways, Eldorado has been an example to the world in how to love your neighbor as yourself. To fail in that cannot be blamed on polygamy, since you are all polygamists. All the world has the same Father in Heaven, and millions of mothers. That is polygamy. Now if you don’t choose to live that lifestyle of Heaven and Heaven’s God, or if we do, that is nobody’s business, right? Many have only used their fantacized abuses as a ruse to attack Plural Marriage.

So cheer up, and be a good neighbor. You won't die from it. However, cities die for not loving their neighbors and leaving them alone. Natural events occur, and you die an instant death in spirit. It immediately affects your peace and sanity and prosperity and security from God's judgements, you see. You are too precious and important to your neighbors to the North to allow yourselves to go down from such pettiness and fantasised abuses.

Yes, there were abuses, like there are in any society, and the Prophet puts a stop to it. You just can't call marriage abuse, when God the Father sired Christ when Mary was only Twelve. That is the law of the land, the ancient and modern Bat Mitzvah. Look it up yourself. It is the law in a godly community, and lawless in communities that are lawless and ungodly.

If you don't believe in taking care of young girls, and exalting them to adulthood without sexually degrading them, yet bringing them to adulthood as young parents, that doesn't mean that we have to fall with you in your unbelief.

Anonymous said...

The Universe's Number ONE Authority on the Subject of Judgement has spoken.

I can't see God steping aside to allow your puny little mind know all things concerning judgement.

What are your Judicial Qualifications? Do you hold advanced degrees in either U.S. Constitutional Law or PhD, ThD,ThM, BD in Theological Law. Are you fluent in Hebrew?

Or, are you akin to modern Judism, that spends it's meeting times discussing ways to do just what they want to do while circumventing the written law. Why would they beahave so? Because the Spiritual Law was never written upon their hearts because of their lack of faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. He is not their Christ and won't be until at the mid-point of the tribulation when they come to a great awakening and mourn the one they crucified and become a nation of evangelists. A nation that God had intended for them to be from the moment of God's promise to Abraham concerning the child of promise, Isaac.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Well put, putt, BUT...Well, I sense that came from your gut, and do tell, that's alot better than from your BUTT. Now, if you can just overcome your slut, or honor her and help her overcome you, you mutt. Now roll over doggy, and chew that bone. An bone was always far better than a boner.

Anonymous said...

Street, your mind is in the gutter! If you think your blabber represents God, love and true charity then you are dilusional. Get a life. Stop your long winded stupitity.

Anonymous said...

I need say nothin, read ots' reply to my last post. It says everything concerning his state of mind and thought processes.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Well, I give in kind, something after the order of, fashioned in the fashion thereof, in its likeness and similitude.

muggsey said...

You don't understand nothin' street. We citizens of Eldorado would love to have the business generated by your people coming to town. Our school system receives money from the state based upon the average daily attendance in school. The system would benefit from having YFZ children attend.

The main benefit would be to the children. They would be educated to compete in the world for real jobs, not those chosen by their ancestors or clergy. The pictures I have seen of the children show them as normal kids, with sweet faces and intelligent eyes. Sure, there would be a time of adjustment, but you have to understand that YFZ just "showed up" on our doorstep and we didn't know what to expect. Locked gates appear to keep residents prisoners at YFZ. We are by and large gentle folk, we just don't like surprises, especially when they are prefaced with a lie. "HUNTING RETREAT", yeah, right. Get truthful and see how things change.

Anonymous said...

The FLDS have ALWAYS practiced a Gospel that hunts for souls, as fishers of men, and the YFZ is a retreat that provides that. They told the truth.

muggsey said...

Oh really!!!!!

What is your bait? Where are your fishermen????

What do you offer that anyone other than FLDS would want to adopt?

In 'The Great Commission' of Jesus Christ, HE said to his diciples: Go into ALL the world making diciples of ALL PEOPLE, baptizing them in the Name of the FATHER, the SON, and the HOLY GHOST, teaching them to observe all things I have commanded you. And know this, I AM with you ALLWAYS, even until the end of the world.

Tell me, in what minimal way does FLDS practice this commandment?

Anonymous said...

They consider themselves as hunters of men's souls for the Lord, the Lord's Way, not man's. And they told the world it was a retreat for hunting. So the question is NOT will they successfully win over the whole world. The question is did they tell the truth in considering their land a retreat for said hunting, which they do.

Therefore, all can see that they TOLD THE TRUTH, not to please you or anyone else, but merely to speak the truth.

ATAR_i said...

A hunting retreat. They KNEW what they were communicating, and they said it like that so that suspicion would not be aroused.

Probably should read the news reports where they cop to that fact before you spiritualize a deception they've already admitted too - it makes you look kinda foolish (and, like your justifying a lie, which you are, and spiritualizing it - which is like... completely pathetic).

muggsey said...

If these guys excell at anything it is in telling lies and then believing them as truth. Evidence for conviction in any court of law. Their father Satan is the father of all lies. That's how they have achieved perfection. They are influenced by the prince of liars.

onthestreet said...

Nah, to the FLDS souls have always been the important thing in life, and they will cast out anyone who threatens the pure souls of the women and children, and those men who have remained faithful. The hunt for souls continues within, just as the Lord directed. The community of the saints, from Jerusalem to Nauvoo, to Salt Lake, to Colorado City, to the Hunting Lodge in Texas, has always been a retreat for the hunting and nurturing of dear souls. That's just our religion. You not liking it just doesn't matter. Devils have always raged against the Lord and His House, and always will, although in the Millenium they will have to do it from afar, being locked in Hell for a thousand years, and then after their final judgement, for ever and ever.

ATAR_i said...

Rationalizing lies doesn't change what they are - sin.

A temple built on sin.

muggsey said...

Who administers the "Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval?" A sane individual would presume that such judgement could only come from the perfect judge. Ole' WJ is a bit tarnished for the job, besides he's on the lamb! Run Warren Run. Maybe you will encounter Forrest Gump and meet an intelectual superior.