Friday, January 27, 2006

A temporary restraining order on UEP property

The Honorable Judge Denise Linburg has put a temporary restraining order on the "removal of any property that is attached to UEP ground"

If you see anyone taking UEP property that you know to be nailed, bolted, screwed, or cemented into the ground call the the Hildale, Colorado City Police dept Ph# 928- 875-2695, and the Special Fiduciary of the UEP Mr Bruce Wisan Ph# 801- 328-2011. The person, or persons may not take the property unless permitted by either a Court Order, or Mr Bruce Wisan's written permission. This could mean either public buildings, private homes or businesses ,center irrigation pivots..etc....

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have yet to meet an honorable judge. How much is he getting paid to steal?

Fredonia Friend said...

Too bad a judge cannot order that no children be removed from the property without the Court's consent. The fewer children at FYZ, the better.

Anonymous said...

Hildale, Colorado City Police dept Ph# 928- 875-2695

NOW THIS IS VERY FUNNY!


HA,HA,HA.....

I AM SORRY NINENDO COULD PUT UP ANOTHER REFERENCE TO CALL.

fttc said...

Anon 6:21

How many judges have you met?

fttc said...

Anon 6:54

The CC police actually will enforce the law if they think the Sherrif's office may get involved. I have had experience with this. If a person calls the police and lets them know they are also notifying Wisan, the police will take care of business. The key here is to let Wisan know what is going on. The judge is trying to help him do his job. The people need to cooperate and help him too.

As little faith as I have in the CC police I really think if Fred's feet are held to the fire he will do his job. Just don't leave any wiggle room.

Anonymous said...

anonymous 1/27/06 6:21 the judge gave warren every chance to come and prove that he owened the uep but he did not show up. be sides he stole the uep years ago. warren and sam barlow are the one to blame for what the state did. uncle roy said not to change the uep doc. and they would not beable to take the uep.

Anonymous said...

we should start a neighborhood/town watch to make sure the Warrenites stop piliaging the place

fundy said...

I think that maybe a little late in coming. They already took everything.

Fredonia Friend said...

Hey Fundy,

Can you expand upon your 1:48 am comment? It would be helpful to know what property has already been dismantled or moved.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Call Colorado City Police? Aren't most of the officers and chief FLDS members? I seem to recall that severl CCPD cops were de-certified and removed from duty.

Anonymous said...

I'm not Fundy, BUT

There was the Potato Barn stripped bare.

And they dismantled Kelly Fischer's log home company and removed the bulding.

I recall both of these businesses were stripped last Memorial Day weekend.

And the Grain elevator disappeared over New Years.

And those are just the ones that were caught on film. Who knows how many others there have been.

Anonymous said...

I think the elevator is to hot for texas. I would be looking at other property like the harker farm in beryl or the one leased in nevada.

Faithful Woman said...

The grain elevator was probably sold for a fraction of it's worth to come up with some quick cash.

Anonymous said...

Ben Winslow now with Deseret News and not KSL radio reported today on the completion of the Temple in Texas and refered to a grain elevator in Texas, could it be one in the same?

Then far more interesting was the quotes by sheriff Doran;

Doran said he maintains contact with FLDS members on the YFZ Ranch, who told him members will flock from all over the United States to Texas as a retreat.
"They said they'll do their temple work and return home," he said. Asked what kind of temple work will be performed, Doran said he had no idea.

I think someone here with undesireable initials suggested that there were ties to some of the independent groups. Some thing about a group in Georgia, Florida and or Tennessee, who was interested in Warren and his Temple from afar.

How does the theology go; a Temple has to be built and "The One Mighty and Strong" will unite whom? Has Warren taken on an image bigger than life, building the Temple and uniting those worthy, even the independents?

If these are indeed Doran's quotes, its time someone went back to Flora or MIB, because they both noted this posibility after interviewing a woman who had left the Florida group. Could it be that Warren figured out a way to finance his growth without tapping into local Texas monies? If he had depleted the FLDS resources and could not touch frozen assets, then how could he support his YFZ. The Florida sect who had assets were willing to turn these over, all for access to a Temple!

How curious! You should read Ben Winslow Deseret News story of this morning.

Anonymous said...

easy enough;

The link:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635180342,00.html

Anonymous said...

I heard MIB offered to work security for the fudiciary to patrol and document UEP assets and inventory. Good, bad or a blood bath, an open confrontation with the local police and Warrenites needs to occur. Waiting for Warren to loot the UEP assets or for the state to get down and dirty, will not occur without some added conflicts.

So why not get "Jessie" and MIB in CC or Hildale to "shake, rattle and roll". If violence occurs, then that much faster a results that brings Warren down. Or on the other hand, watchers as devious as Warren himself! Like Madd Magazine Comics series of "Spy vs Spy". Neither state is aggressive enough to step up to the plate and with activist watching, you know the press would be with them around the clock. The state might be there too, in order to impress the media.

Lets see something more aggressive...

fttc said...

Let's have the wheels of justice take care the problem. It is easy to get impatient waiting for something to happen. Let's keep our cool and let time do as much as it can.

These are fellow humans we are talking about, not expendable machines or equipment. As much as I would like to see things move faster in the direction of fully exposing warren to his followers, I believe moving slowly and carefully will get better results to this end.

If you mean getting more aggressive with the law enforcement I am with you all the way. This restraining order by the judge was slow in coming. It should have been put in place as soon as the fiduciary was appointed. The CC police need to be watched more closely and held to their responsibilties or removed from authority. I have said from the time the first reward was posted that if the FBI really wanted this fugitive they would have him already. warren has not been much of a priority with them.

Perhaps this is changing. Time will tell. The recent subpoenas that they attempted to serve and the many more rumored are an indication that they are taking him more seriously.

Anonymous said...

Agreed, the CC police remain a problem, but more aggressive means using every avenue open to apply legal pressure. A state HAZMAT team might impact issues more quickly than injunctions alone. While the fudiciary has taken steps to enjoin or consoldate Western Precision Inc. and other related interest in the court order to freeze the assets, tomorrow a HAZMAT team could place pdlocks on the doors for cited violations. Observations of several Warren Jeffs controlled businesses have not complied with environmental safety practises and have created opportunities that bring with them imediate actions or consequences. Items to be interpreted by the courts, allow Parker and other representing attorneys to define and disect the law.

Health and Safety and or environmental laws and there enforcement could bring about changes over night. Where as these are good people as stated, the state has a responsibility to look out for their Health, Safety and Welfare, especially if management is ignoring it.

The questionable issue of the Asbestos George Air Force Base inferior housing from its 1959 construction, to its relocation of 140 units reconstructed in Colorado City, is yet another and seperate concern. Inspection and a verifiable record of such seems absent, when this was reported to the EPA Rocky Mountain Region by the Arizona Attorney Generals Office, shortly after these units were reconstructed. This was documented in an Associated Press story and along with other environmental crimes, could be used to move on the safety violations, under state jurisdiction.

The feeling is that the state has not been as proactive or investigative as some journalist such as John Dougherty, who undercovered documents unknown to state at his discovery. More aggressive means using existing, but unenforced laws.

Anonymous said...

If OSHA, HAZMAT, EPA and the agencies that look into child labor, wage and overtime vilations were to show up at the doors of Western Precision, they would be well paid for thir efforts. The software piracy guys should come along for the ride too.

Anonymous said...

If they are stealing software, turn them in and turn a profit
http://www.siia.net/piracy/report.asp

Quietman

Anonymous said...

be Quietman thay mite come for you next

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

No wonder we can't stop illegal immigration i.e. persons, evidentally trucks and workers can disassemble and load chicken coops, grainerys, a manufacturing bldg, an ultra mondern potato cellar, irrigation pivots, a metal warehouse and heaven knows what else, and move it from the Utah/Arizona border to Texas and not be seen by weighmasters, police, etc. What was the Judge's order???? Bah, polygamists rule evidentally.

onthestreet said...

God rules, and only over-rules in their behalf.

Anonymous said...

Who said it came to Texas?

ATAR_i said...

But, if He rules, he doesn't need to 'over-rule'. Over-ruling would be redundant.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, but all the prophets came into tight quarters, and God indeed had to over-rule in their behalf. Did you forget the history and the Word of God?

See, Atar, he rules all people, but he lets them live and let live without over-ruling them. See, He too minds his business, and we are ALL his business. But when the world clams down on true saints, the God of us all comes out of his hiding place at the crucial moment. You will see it. But you do not get to decide when that crucial moment will be.

ATAR_i said...

Read your post.

You stated God rules.

Then you stated he needs to over-rule.

You did not speak of people or prophets in your original post - you just made a statement you thought sounded profound (and...it didn't).

onthestreet said...

See, you lost the post. You were ruled, and over-ruled.

onthestreet said...

Typo: See, you lost the POINT. So you were ruled, and over-ruled, and He even over-ruled ME in my typo. LOL

onthestreet said...

The God of Heaven and good judges everywhere are quite capable of both ruling and over-ruling, and they do both, inspite of your straining at a gnat thinking to over-rule them.

ATAR_i said...

I guess when you can't win with intellect - you try with spam.

Nice try, no cigar I actually didn't expect you to be introspective or apply reasoning - but I always act as if one day you might. Perhaps one of your personalities (one I haven't seen yet) will burst through one day.

onthestreet said...

Nay, I answered your question directly. Your personalities just can't get on the same page and dicipher it. Everyone knows that God and good judges both rule and over-rule, and you claimed that they don't. Loose wires there, my girl, but nothing a good mechanic can't fix.

ATAR_i said...

You creep me out.

ATAR_i said...

And, BTW a judge doesn't *over-rule* his own ruling - A DIFFERENT judge does that.

That's been my point all along - but you just can't seem to get it through that thick skull.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said... You creep me out.
3/02/2006 8:05 AM

STREET'S Reply: See! You're creepy, by your own admissions. Now you are "creeped out". Like I've been telling you, people. It's a personality disorder that ya need ta fix. But that can only be fixed by the Lord of life, through the agency that He has chosen. A lucid person is an intelligent person, and nobody on this planet fits that description better than a prophet of the Lord, Warren Jeffs.

Good post, sister.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said... And, BTW a judge doesn't *over-rule* his own ruling - A DIFFERENT judge does that. That's been my point all along - but you just can't seem to get it through that thick skull. 3/02/2006 8:52 AM

STREET’s Reply: Ahh, but judges do indeed change their minds on points of law. That is the very thing that the opposing attornies exist for, to sway judge (or jury) back and forth through their arguments. So once again, your reasoning is faulty. Furthermore, even after a judge has made his final ruling, I have seen cases go to appeal, and then remanded back to the same judge, when he actually over-ruled his own previous ruling. Finally, when we talk of judges and God over-ruling, we are showing that previous rulings were in fact WRONG, in which case the judge or the god (same one or not), had to make the correction. When they finally do that and get it right, that is lucid. That’s intelligence. That is intellectual honesty. That is the credibility of a true judge.

I hope this helps in the penetration of a thick skull.

ATAR_i said...

Really - show me one instance where a judge over ruled HIMSELF. Just one.

Appeal is not the same as over-rule
Jury verdict is not the same as over-rule
Overturn is not the same as over-rule

SHOW ME ONE RULING WHERE THE JUDGE OVER-RULED HIMSELF.

fttc said...

By your definition of over-rule you are admitting that God makes wrong decisions, that your prophet makes wrong decisions, all of which have to be 'overrulled' in correction. You had better be careful lest you bring down their wrath upon your head!

onthestreet said...

TARRY: 3/05/2006 7:27 AM

When higher courts remand back, the trial judges often have to make corrections in the process, thus over-ruling their own mistakes. That is often the purpose of remanding the case, in order to correct an procedure or issue of law.

onthestreet said...

fttc said...
By your definition of over-rule you are admitting that God makes wrong decisions, that your prophet makes wrong decisions, all of which have to be 'overrulled' in correction. You had better be careful lest you bring down their wrath upon your head! 3/05/2006 12:29 PM

STREET's Reply: Wrong again. God over-rules daily the works of men and devils against His elect. That is what His over-rulings pertain to, see? And yes, He has even over-ruled Himself, without mistake. Did He not declare to Moses that He God was ready to destroy all of Israel, like He did the people of Noah. "And Moses plead with the Lord," and the Lord repented". Figure that one out. Again, is not the rotation of the earth itself pretty sure and set? Yet, Joshua persuaded the Lord to stop or slow the earth's rotation, so he could finish his day's work. Let's see any of you exert that much power with the Lord. I have seen the Prophets in my day do just that.

This just goes to show that imminant events can be overturned,and often are.

ATAR_i said...

I said an example

onthestreet said...

Okay, set an example.

ATAR_i said...

There are no examples - which is why you can't give me one - but still - go ahead - try.

onthestreet said...

"Try to be like Him, try, try, try." It's a sunday-school song.