Sunday, December 11, 2005

What about that plane?

The story is in circulation among FLDS that the state could find no evidence of mismanaged funds in the school district and the plane reported as being district property was really owned by someone local. The school only borrowed it and paid for expenses such as fuel for any trips they took. What is really happening here?

50 comments:

fttc said...

If the administration is really being 'retired' and the state is taking over it seems an admission that something wrong was discovered. The plane was one of the biggest single amounts of money that seemed misplaced. If that was not true how much of the rest of the reports is not?

Anonymous said...

What is happening here? Denial.

Have the Warrenites ever wonder why if the Public School was so evil, why did Warren let some of his faithful be in close contact and collect money from it. I guess money from any evil enterprise is OK. Is there a cleansing ceremony for dirty money?

Did the FLDS have to go through a special shower to clean off the evil from being in contact with the enemy daily?

Just wondering.

ogre said...

We were told in the 80's that if we had any contact with "apostates" in our home ( like relatives) we were to re-dedicate our homes after they left.
I have never seen many people shy away from taking money from anybody, though.

onthestreet said...

It's not money or education itself that's evil, but their perverted use. As far as washing grossness from our hands when we make contact with the world, it's not the grossness of the dust itself, but the grossness of the morals and the spirit in them. Our very bodies are made of the stuff (dust), and even Christ ate without washing, and was proclaimed unclean, the Redeemer of the world, by a sacrilige people. What you sacrifice to the prophet is nothing. Obedience is better than sacrifice. But you don't get it back after the burnt offering. It is given freely.

Anonymous said...

Very well put Street, but obedience to who? I think I know your answer, but I could be wrong.

Anonymous said...

It is so strange to me street that sometimes you seem to be totally out of touch with reality but today you are right on target.

I am still confused as to your continual flip-flop regarding just who your Christ Reedemer is? Do you admit that it is Jesus?

Anonymous said...

From the FAA Registry
The only Government Plane listed for Mohave County out of 524 planes registered.



FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results


N4570K is Assigned


Assigned/Registered Aircraft

Aircraft Description

Serial Number P21000220 Type Registration Government
Manufacturer Name CESSNA Certificate Issue Date 03/18/2003
Model P210N Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Turbo-Shaft
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 51307177
MFR Year 1979 Fractional Owner NO


Registered Owner

Name COLORADO CITY UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT NO 14
Street 50 N COLVIN ST
City COLORADO CITY State ARIZONA Zip Code 86021
County MOHAVE
Country UNITED STATES

Airworthiness

Engine Manufacturer CONT MOTOR
Classification Standard
Engine Model TSIO-520 SER Category Normal

A/W Date 03/02/1979

fttc said...

Anon 6:04

Thank you. This is the kind of information that the warrenites need to see. Those I spoke to were adamant about the plane not being the property of the school district.

Anonymous said...

"Is there a cleansing ceremony for dirty money?"

It's called laundering.

Anonymous said...

I've talked to a lot of people who are still four-square believers and they all pretty much know the school district owns a plane. What they don't believe is that there was any wrong-doing on the part of the administration. They claim the county set them up and cleaned out the accounts.

Anonymous said...

what? cleaned out the accounts.
thats the first time i ve heard this one.
who is saying this?

Anonymous said...

Warren has been given the job by God to clean up this Gentile land, and he is doing a mighty fine job of taking them to the cleaners.

fttc said...

From what I can gather the warrenites will assume anything but what is really happening. Kind of like we hear what we want to hear. Any excuse that can be fabricated for warren will be. I know without asking that there will be those who see the registration info posted and will say it is fake. They want to believe the county is at fault or anyone else for that matter. The truth will stand most of them directly on their head because of what they have allowed warren to build up in their minds. Is it any wonder they are in denial. I think the only solution is to keep putting the truth in front of them. It will sink in eventually.

Anonymous said...

No, we do not have to wash from coming in contact with you. We scrub. We scrub. We scrub with soap. See this is how it is; Just the sight of you causes tears in our eyes. Then we go to the biggest lake we can find and scrub. We scrub and scrub, and your filth is still around. And your contamination is like the fog in the city. Hanging low. like sticky filthy goo.

Anonymous said...

And ain't that funny; your lies fell through. Ain't that funny. They keep the plane. I knew it was not the school district's. Filthy contaminated apostates. Lieing filthy scum. And if the government could not tell it had been cheated since ninteen fifty three, when they said that the school was fine; well there would have to be a big dummy in the school, but like all government offices, they never lose money; never. Not once. No matter who wins or loses. ding dong. Who do you think pays the people in Mohavee County if it is not the People in Colorado City. do you think the government would really take away there own pay check? Ding dong. The state has always ran the district. Since ninteen fifty three, when they went though great leanths to rescue the woman and children. And ran up a bill as long as Texas, and they concluded it would be better to make us pay for them. Get a clue. Filthy lies never pay, And Flora with her exploiting. And Laurie Allen is a Flora too. Scamming the disabled. Ding dong doo.

Anonymous said...

hello ruth

Anonymous said...

I personally think the plane is a important part of the school district, because of how far it is from the county seat.

I wouldn't be surprised either way if the state could find no misuse of funds or if they did. But the real issue is that they (the FLDS) are keeping at their jobs for the wrong reasons. And they should be removed.

If it was their own free will and choice they should have left when everyone else quit. Either they were told to stay at their job by the prophet or they wanted to for power and polical reasons. Neither of which is acceptable.

Anonymous said...

ya, it kinda throws flora's theory to the wind, that this people were so uneducated and Isolated. Poor little story. And how would you know why they stayed to work. Maybe it was because they had a contract with the state. At any rate, the Schools were adiquit. I only had one complaint. He is gone. The school should be fine.

Anonymous said...

And by the way, if the plane was privately owned, do you think the school district would be able to afford one, if his men quit? After all they built a whole new school for the people out there. And his people were kind enough to let the district use the plane. And It was his people who built the school. Just like the ones before. And maybe some of those funds were spent in building the building. But the media would never tell that part of it. Now would they?

Anonymous said...

I thought it was the state that built the school, and gave it to the district for free.

Men In Black said...

The new school cost approx. 10 million dollars of state funds. The phelp land was donated for the former school, with stipulations that it would not become FLDS controlled. The state spent over 3 million building Phelps Elementary and after it was shut down the FLDS brokered its purchase on terms for 1 million dollars. Status unknown today, but on this blog misinformation pays and plays to place Warren and the priesthood in a better light, like in; "In Light and Truth".

The plane was school owned, how soon we all forget on purpose! The John Dougherty stories documented this, copying ownership records and the state Attorney General confirmed it, both in the press and privately. False rumors are like false prophets, they serve the demons they represent, often in their minds only!

Some trivia for those seeking the truth, 100 of Warrens cassette's will be established in a library in St. George by this years end. The man can not be called a liar, nor his voice imitated. In an agreement to make a resource available, no profit for me, the first installment will be accessable to Law Enforcement, the Press and politicians in search of the truth in just weeks.

But speaking of rumors, rumors are in the wind and in 2006, these will become the winds of change.

MIB

Men In Black said...

Lets talk some of the Bombardier Lear Jet that Rulon and Warren use to rent at $1200. an hour, using the Fischer Cabinet business as the personal piggy bank that paid for it. Then there was those parade like celebrity gatherings at the plane to recieve or send off the prophet to and from SLC/CC

Whether tax dollars or just other peoples money, its easy spending when you personally didn't have to earn it. His to spend? Not if you ask Dan & or Shem! How about Erwin Fischer being stripped of all he held precious? His wife Mary, his children, his business the one that paid and paid and paid, even a Lear Jet charter service.

No amount of lying here or misinformation can cover the deeds of a corrupt leadership, one that today must be on the lamb to avoid prosecution. Warren is what he was accused of 5 years ago and every twist and turn of his own flight to escape apprehension and prosecution writes another line and chapter in the legacy he will leave. Uncle Fred was given the task of writing the history of his people, and while that is no longer posible, books will be written and shame will replace the word proud.

Some one needs to tell Warren the winters in Canada are not for him, he needs to stay in Texas where the days are warm. Also Wally Oppal
may not be as passive as was Geof Plant, as well as honoring extradition treaties. A real man would turn himself in, a false prophet stays in hiding!

MIB

Anonymous said...

men in Black; what would you know about men? Just the exploiting of woman. And idiots do not need help. The government already took care of that. make sure they stay idiots; then they collect more money and the media gets another victum. Good ol' American law. But they never talk about the successes do they. Just idiots like me that are used as examples. And kicked. I would not go to that fisher man for anything. And I regret ever knowing you.

Anonymous said...

I would ask you again, Men in Black; what do you know about men?

Anonymous said...

And the Angel's are writing the record. In life and death. In sickness and in health. In sanity or insanity I stand by him. The warriors of heaven are ready for your battle. They do wait with raised swords, to defend the rightous. And Christ will reign.

Anonymous said...

And one more thing; Just where do you suppose the state get there glory money to build a school? Oh, Oh, I get it. I guess you need to be paitent with me. I thought that money grew on tree's. Oh, I remember they get it from the people. of course! how stupid of me. The government only regulates what they take. Who then did build the SCHOOL?

Anonymous said...

So, Centennial park builds our school and we use their rightfully earned wages instead of our own and ship them off to texas?

Anonymous said...

12/12/2005 11:43 PM
Anonymous said...
And by the way, if the plane was privately owned, do you think the school district would be able to afford one, if his men quit?

HIS MEN QUIT? PLEASE, LET THEM QUIT, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR TEACHERS A LIVING WAGE. BY THE WAY,SCHOOL DISTRICTS DO NOT OWN AIRPLANES, NOT EVEN IN OTHER STATES.

After all they built a whole new school for the people out there.
And his people were kind enough to let the district use the plane. And It was his people who built the school. Just like the ones before.

SCHOOL BUILT WITH TAX DOLLARS. FIVE MILLION TAX DOLLARS TO BE EXACT. THEN THEY HAD A BOND ELECTION AND ASKED THE PUBLIC TO KICK IN ANOTHER MILLION. THAT IS YOUR TAXES DOLLARS DUMMY.

HALF OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL IS BEING PAIDED FOR BY YOUR PROPERTY TAXES. GET SMART. IF YOU DO NOT PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, SOMEDAY SOME OF THOSE DREADED MEDIA TYPES MAY GET TO TAKE YOUR HOMES AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU CAN GO LIVE IN THE TEXAS GULAG (PRISON).

And maybe some of those funds were spent in building the building.

I DO RECALL READING FROM SOME MEDIA TYPE THE FLDS EVEN GOT THE BID TO BUILD TO BUILD THE NEW PUBLIC SCHOOL BUILDING. TAKING MORE TAX DOLLARS. SMART ON THEIR PART, DUMB ON THE PART OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

But the media would never tell that part of it. Now would they?

YOU HAVE A COMPUTER. GO GOOGLE NEW PHOENIX TIMES AND JOHN DAUGHTERY.

PS IT IS ILLEGAL FOR ANY SCHOOL DISTRICT EMPLOYEE TO USE ANY SCHOOL PROPERTY (COMPUTERS) OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL BUSINESS FOR THEIR BUSINESS. PONDER ON THAT ONE, SETH JEFFS AND MR. ALVIN BARLOW.

Anonymous said...

And I would think as much about what John Daughtery wrote, just as much as I would think about what Flora wrote;;;du du. The point was already made the school did not own the plane. I know who built the school I was there. I seen them. And Frankly it was not centennial park. Try again; with truth this time.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was quite clear that the district DID own the plane. The registration is plain enough, go look again.

Anonymous said...

DING DONG said....

And I would think as much about what John Daughtery wrote, just as much as I would think about what Flora wrote;;;du du.
NO ONE HAS BROUGHT UP FLORA, DING DONG.

The point was already made the school did not own the plane. WELL DING DONG YOU FIGURED THAT OUT FINALLY.

I know who built the school I was there. I seen them. And Frankly it was not centennial park.
WELL OF COURSE NOT DING DONG, CENTENNIAL PARK FOLKS DID NOT GET THE BID, BUT CENTENNIAL FOLKS PROPERTY TAXES DID HELP PAY FOR IT.

Try again; with truth this time.

AS FOR TRUTH DING DONG, YOU ONLY SEE YOUR TRUTH.

Anonymous said...

Ding Dong?

Is that some sort of Arizona Hillbilly insult?

Anonymous said...

And who really cares; ding dong

Anonymous said...

Who put the nuts in charge of the nut-house?

Anonymous said...

Why do you suppose they call it the nut house? Here is a nut, for a nut, to a nut.

Anonymous said...

Do you suppose that in spite of nuts, you could say some thing inteligent? I mean; you would expect idiots to say something idiotic, but now you claim to be normal. or is it that we are all a little nutty too. I think that there are a lot of very intelligent people around, just not in the media or on this web page.

Anonymous said...

Ruth your insults, you rantings have been noted.

Now post something else intelligent or just go away.

Faithful Woman said...

The plane is real and the town has general knowledge of it. I believe there was even mention of it in church some time ago as a general accomplishment. It was to make traveling the many long distant trips to the county seat that is so far away from us easier and faster.

The news paper mentioned the the new reciever had stated that one of the first things he was going to do was sell the thing.

I think the ding dong was suposed to be accompanied with a rap on the head. Good thing we aren't within physical contact distance!

Anonymous said...

ding dong, ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. ding dong. bells are ringing. ding dong.

Anonymous said...

Well, Ruth you can spell ding dong.

Yes, the bells toll for Warren.

Anonymous said...

Ruth, you keep ranting about how you are going to leave us and go away because we don't deserve your presence, and you are going to be among the honest and pure, etc. etc.

So how soon can we expect you to go away?

Anonymous said...

You're making me hungry.

Anonymous said...

Dance of the Toy Soldiers, Sugar Plum Fairies, Waltz of the Flowers, whatever! It's all a part of the Nutcracker Suite, and it's verbalized here daily, in black and white. Lotz 'o nutz, all 'em krakked a 'lil. Few flakes thrown in for good measure too!

onthestreet said...

I am still confused as to your continual flip-flop regarding just who your Christ Reedemer is? Do you admit that it is Jesus?

12/11/2005 6:00 PM

STREET'S Reply: None other. You just don't know him, and He Himself declares that he will proclaim to nearly all: "I never knew you". He it is who said: "FEW thered be that find it".

onthestreet said...

Yes, you "are confused". Your confessions do you well, my friend.

rumor-has-it said...

The Good Shepard

I am the good shepard:
The good shepard lays down his life for his sheep.
The hired man, since he is not the shepard and the sheep do not belong to him, abandons the sheep as soon as he sees a wolf coming, and runs away, then the wolf attacks and scatters the shepp;
he runs away because he is only a hired man and has no concern for the sheep.

I am the good shepherd;
I know my own
and my own know me,
just as the Father knows me
and I know the Father;
and I lay down my life for my sheep."

John 10:11-15

This explains why Warren Jeffs is running. This explains why the school district is in the red. This explains why Warren Jeffs has no heart.

Anonymous said...

Absolute truth. That will preach in any church, regardless of denomination.

fttc said...

Rumor- Anon 3:35

You have struck on something here that I have wondered about and not been able to put into words. I will try. Many of the FLDS have convinced themselves they are so unique and peculiar that the common laws of humanity do not apply to them. I do not mean this in a derogatory way. It is the result of being raised for generations in a vacuum of sorts. It is true that in many ways they are very peculiar and unique for that matter. But they have been, for the most part, so isolated from the rest of the world that they see themselves as not being a part of it anymore. They are blind to the fact that they are part of a larger community of Americans or even a part of the rest of God's children. This provides a mental wall they can stand behind when someone points out the flaws in their reasoning. Since they believe that no one else can comprehend their belief system, they in turn are beyond criticism of anyone from the outside.

The result is that Rumor posts the above and they see it as truth just as Anon 3:35 did. The difference is that they are peeking out from behind their wall just enough to stop reading when it comes to the part of how it applies to them. Because Rumor is now on the outside he/she has no validity in reasoning. We can stuff the truth down them till they are full to the brim with it. They can see the truth in it to the point that it interferes with their comfort zone, then the wall goes up.

Most of us will recognize this as human nature. The FLDS have so seperated themselves from the rest of us mortals that they do not see it as such. It is only persecution to them.

On other threads it is being proposed that some members of the Hildale/CC comunity go to Texas and see the temple being built. While there are a few that may be affected by this most would not be. The mental wall is so great that they could come up with something to explain it away. It is not the truth of the temple actually being built that they reject. It is the conclusions that are drawn. Conclusions that they cannot logically reason away. So they have to hide behind their wall and simply say that the rest of the world just doesn't understand.

They have made themselves so unique that it becomes OK to send minor children out of the home to live on their own the best they can. They have become so unique and peculiar that it is OK to swap wives like children trade baseball cards. They are so unique and peculiar in their God that lifelong love and caring for children and spouse is no longer part of their makeup. They fight continuously with their human instincts of course, but it would be the ultimate sin to give in and show some compassion and caring for one another. That is for the rest of the sinful world to revel in. They are behind that wonderful, sweet wall that keeps all human influences out.

Anonymous said...

fttc:

You, being a former insider know better than do any of us who are indeed outsiders as to the mind set of those who cling to the idea that they and their ideas are totaly unique. They and you are not totaly alone. We see your faith and praise you for the devotion that many of you have for family and your Lord. We know that the wheel that squeeks the loudest gets the grease. Many times I have the tendency to be that wheel. I take moral a stand in behalf of principles in which I believe and will not move from my position, but I honor those who take the high road and stand firmly behind family, who don't shirk their responsability, who don't engage in a type of white slavery or send their children to fend for themselves at too tender an age. I have read all the books in our library concerning the practice of polygamy and so I don't feel that I am totaly ignorant concerning the topic. Several of the books were written not only by women but men who, after they became adults chose not to practice polygamy and they gave their own reasons. To me their reasoning was credible. Several of the books were written about other clans who followed other prophets. One of the prophets was a Naturopathic physician who was murdered by one of the LeBaron group. From the account I read his family seemed to show real love for the father, though due to human failure children of the younger wives often felt as if they didn't have a real father and there was jelousy among the wives. Therein lies one of my problems. I remember, as a child, my own father ttook me in his lap every evening and talked to me, read to me, played with me. I remember his gentle way and know beyond doubt that I was loved. Do children who come into such large families and have to share a father figure only occasionally have the opportunity to experience such love as I had the chance to enjoy? To me my own dad gave me an example of what I expect from God, that he is not just some figure in the cosmos, but a loving kind Everlasting Being who, when I hurt, or am in need of love Knows my need even before I express it and scoops me up in His loving arms an holds me to His bosom and I feel safe and secure. No, I am not homosexual, never have been, but I understand God's unconditional love. Being a believer in God's grace I feel that ever present security even now. That, above all else is what I wish to share with a sin sick and dying world. And that assurance that I know is why much of the world detests me and my faith. But I am at peace with God.

Faithful Woman said...

That was beautiful.
I wish there were more people who felt like that in the world, and I am doing what I know how to make it happen in my little circle of influence.