Thursday, December 15, 2005

Court gives decision on UEP trust

"Third District Court Judge Denise P. Lindberg handed down her decision Wednesday on the United Effort Plan trust by appointing a board of advisors to assist court-appointed special fiduciary Bruce Wisan and clarified the purpose of the trust.
Lindberg decided that the trust will be governed by a 1998 document instead of the original papers drafted in 1942 and that the trust- the financial arm of the FLDS- was intended to establish a charitable trust and must be reformed to support lawful charitable purposes.
Those on the advisory board appointed to assist Wisan are Margaret Cooke, Robert Huddleston, Carolyn Jessop, Rayo Spencer Johnson, John Nielsen, and Don Timpson.
................the board was set up for a one-year period and will be a work in progress..........
One of the main objectives for Timpson is to protect people in their homes and give those living on United Effort property a sinse of security."

58 comments:

fttc said...

Is a copy of the decision available online? I would like to read it.

Anonymous said...

http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/HPI/UEPTMemDecision12-13-05.pdf

Anonymous said...

Yes the copy is available, but it will take an hour to download.

fttc said...

Thank you! It wasn't so bad. I am on dial-up and it only took about 5 minutes. It will take much longer to wade through all the legal jargon!

quiet canadian said...

So what was the Judges reasoning for not including Winston as a director?

Faithful Woman said...

Don't know, didn't ask.

I wasn't particularly pleased to see Huddleston on there but I guess if he isn't getting $160 an hour it might be ok.

Anonymous said...

Help!!!
What was she thinking? Winston should have been on that board. He knows more about what has happened than anyone else alive -- and at this time I believe he would help the people to the best of his ability.

I hope they will keep Winston on side to help them because he could be an important asset.

People may have some problems with some of the things he has done -- I do to. But I'm not stupid -- I know that he knows and he could really help.

Besides, how was it right that there was no Canadian Representitive? That isn't fair or right at all! There are alot of people in Canada and they deserve to be represented.
Hey roll that back!
Not fair play goin on!!!

Anonymous said...

yup, when apostates rule, fair play is never in the game. They cheated on the one who would have given them life eternal. They turned from the principles of Christ; and now they think to have fair play! I hear tell the school is complaining too. How-ever in Zion every thing is going on as normal. And do not feel to bad, if they stay organized; these apostates for a year; they will be lucky. Don Timpson and Coroline. That should be interesting. Besides they are only the stooges. They intend to sell the land and put every one out. But it was already written what would happen. Are you prepared for the return of Christ; in all your complaining.

Anonymous said...

I think Carolyn and Don will get along better than Warren and Winston ever dreamed of.

Anonymous said...

At least Spencer Johnson is very think with the Canadian people.

Anonymous said...

I meant, "very thick". Half his children live in Idaho or in Canada.

Anonymous said...

you big ol boys. Makes you feel good to know you can assult the ones who will not fight. Makes you feel mighty good to know you can oppress. well this is not a job for mighty mouse. This is a job for stink bug. This is a job for cocroach. Great, big, mighty, powerful, good ol boys. And us poor helpless brain washed women and children in the creek, know what theifs you are. Us poor under privledged, illegal citazins; why what do you know. We know you are banditos of the blackest die. And we know who will give us our freedom. Not theifs that have to come in and take school equipment so they can make them look dumb. What heros our government. Maybe they should make Terry Goddard, President. He could be a hero like Bush. And our war will be entitled; make the shoe fit; but we got the wrong size. Where the glasses; that distort the veiw. For it is lies we portray, we do.

Anonymous said...

Who is Rayo Spencer Johnson?

Anonymous said...

Commonly known as "Uncle Spencer". He is Elmer Johnson's son, 82 or 83 years old, and one of the finest elderly men that can be found. He has been involved in the workings of CC/Hildale since he was a teen-ager, or perhaps even before.

Anonymous said...

I am sure that Carolyn and Don Timpson will get along just fine; Just like that girl he was courting when she was in his class. She became his wife too. I am sure Carolyn and Don will get along fine; but I am not exactly sure that they will be able to handle the City.

Anonymous said...

I wish you people had some thing intersting to talk about. You are the most boring people on the earth.

Anonymous said...

and jump up and down; the spelling is off. sinse when did sinse mean any thing. sinse you was smart. sinse you are great. sinse you are the great world hero. sinse sinse sinse. sounds like some thing. I so do not know who. sinse. great word. I think it will go down in history. a new word was just encorperated in to the webster dictionary. It has been a long time sinse the dictionary has had a new word. What is the definition? Oh, two new words. Definition and sinse.
Word number one......
Sinse; a feeling filled with suspition, and intrige.
Definition; A loss of hearing in the sinse of head area, but extremly filled with suspition; definition.
do not ask about the words that defined the original words. Definition and sinse. sinse def is a condition. which in a nut shell would mean' sinse, suspition is a loss of definition, condition.

Anonymous said...

great spelling, faithful. better check into that great school. The one the government took over. Now you can have an opportunity to learn to spell too. (just do not tell the teachers you are thirty five.) Maybe you could sign up to be Dons chorus girl too. I bet he would like that. Just think. He could teach you, just like he taught the other girl. sinse you both have an adjenda. Make a list. sinse you are wrighting christmas songs. Add that to your list too.
1. go to the school that was taken over and raided.
2. Learn to spell
3. Get Don for a tutor.
4. wash his car with him.
5. laugh and joke.
6. Just do not let his wife or corolyn know. ( or the one you live with.)
7. report it on the news.
8. Be sure and tell how he chased you around the car. Oh, that was the first girl. Maybe the second.
9. but what ever you do; learn to spell. Keep your family secrets hidden. Only tell every one elses. That way you and he and Corlyn are safe. BUT LEARN TO SPELL. Keep things intersting. watch a show or two. That will keep you so busy. And out of my business.

ATAR_i said...

What's up with the attack on Faithful - A classic case of 'shoot the messenger' coupled with a few sour grapes perhaps?

Besides, if you want to take pot shots, at least have the cajones, or chutzpah to put your name or nickname on it.

Stinger said...

Here is a list of words to learn to spell.
wrighting
adjenda
sinse
corolyn
interting
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Anonymous said...

you are getting a little more interesting. Keep it up. Lets hear what Cajones and Chutzpah means.

Anonymous said...

ca- jones; never look at what others have to judge yourself with.
Never try to keep up with the Joneses.

Chut- z- pah; indian words for peace. Hidden meaning of wonder. or a swimming place like pa tem pee. minneral wonder.

Lets hear the real definition. Chutzpah. Cajones. english.

Anonymous said...

So Rayo Spencer Johnson is in his 80's? or is that his father.

I guess, I have been dumbstruck like Ruth and Street. My reasoning has gone bonkers.

Faithful Woman said...

Yes, Spencer is in his 80's.

Go ahead and blow Friend. You can't blow my house down.

ATAR_i said...

Cajones (spanish) - slang --> balls (testicles)

Chutzpah (yiddish) - meaning courage, bordering on arrogance.

Anonymous said...

hey, thanks atari; that is a great way to say what I feel with out sounding like a hill-billy. Lets see; When you slander some one, at least have the cajones to tell them to there face, and the chutzpah to not spread filthy gossip, based on emotions.
And to the 12;49 poster; since you was so kind in your enquiry, I will tell you. Spencer is a man who has lived here all his life. I do not see that he has done much. He is very old. I do not have a personal problem with him. I know him. He is old. I do not know his age. He gets out, but not much. His family is grown. As much as I can tell he has never harmed any one. He worked on old cars or some such. I do not suppose that he could hurt any one. His family is spread through out the country. He has family in Canada. I do not know the ones there. His family has always been very kind to me. They have always treated me with respect.

Anonymous said...

Lets, hear some more words. That is interesting. Much more interesting than fighting over land and money that every one already has. How about dumbell in spanish. How about star struck. how about, "I love you in spanish." Or any other language for that matter. and believe it or not, I am sorry for kicking all of you. I guess it is not your fault what happened to me. I can not change it. Neither can you. I guess there are a lot of good people in the world. Beleve it or not. There are a lot of people who are kind to me. I need to forget a couple of dumbells. but hey, with only a couple of dumbells, the rest of life is great. And tinker bell, i do not care if you stay in your house. YOu are the one with the wind, chimes.

Anonymous said...

I like your words Atari. Chutzpah. That is exactly how I was feeling.

ATAR_i said...

OK - funny words in other languages that have great meanings - or just slang - anyone have one?

Faithful Woman said...

Spencer is very active for his age, he is always on the go.

He was one of the original homesteaders, which is how any of the property around here was obtained.

how is that? warren tried to kick out an old man who was here and making this town, etching every drop of life from the desert for years before that little whelp was even born!

Anonymous said...

Thanks everyone who contributed to answering my question on Mr. Johnson.

As for Warren Jeffs, can I say LEACH.

Anonymous said...

We need a new thread on today's news report.

Bruce Griffen, the lawyer representing the Colorado City Eight, has asked the Mohave County court to strike down Arizona's constitutional prohibition of polygamy.

Perverts of every possible variety are cheering in unison.

Anonymous said...

wow, when I asked for new words I had not Idea that you would come up with so many. I am just unlearned so have compasion on me. What is Arizona's constitutional prohibition of polygamy. Please tell me in hill billy language. Some times I need this, kind of language to understand.

Anonymous said...

Go to www.state.az.us

Look under "bills/laws"

Do a search for the word "polygamy", looking in the state constitution. You will find a broef sentence saying that polygamy and polygamous cohabitation are forever prohibited in Arizona. You will note that no penalties are attached. Constitutions do not do penalties. Laws do.

Then do the same search in the Arizona Revised Statutes. That is where we hide our laws. You will note that there are "no matches". None. No reference to polygamy. Looks like somebody messed up way back then. There are no laws against polygamy, and no penalty for polygamizing. Feel free. But we DO have laws against rape, molestation, domestic violence, conspiracy, tax evasion, whatever Seth and Nate were up to, and welfare fraud. I wouldn't get into any of those.

Anonymous said...

Please advise as to the difference between a hill billy and a hillbilly. Does the first refer to a male goat that dwells in hilly terrain and the second to an individual of indeterminate education and or language skills who may dwell anywhere on the planet? Please clarify. If an answer to the previous query is given as requested, please provide an additional translation into common English. Thank you. Your attention to minute detail is appreciated. My problem is that I have been exposed to so much education that I have become a pain in the posterior.

Anonymous said...

The billy goat reference is interesting.

A billy goat's sole aim in life is to breed with as many girl-goats as possible, and it has no preference based on the age of the girl-goat, and it does so without regard to whether or not the girl-goat is his mother or has been married to his father.

They smell bad, and are not much into following rules. They don't spend much time hanging around their babies. That's what mother goats are for.

Anonymous said...

Well then; lets stick to just plain common sense. I am glad that Arizonia is not making laws against the constitution. And Grow up guys; The government is the one that regulates the tax and the food stamp department. And according to law a person can get married at the age of sixteen. And I think that none of you know any thing about hillbillies or goats. Or common english language or sesibilties; when it comes to truth. What then did the state of Arizonia do, if there is no law against Polygamy; and to cohabitate is a persons personal privledge. Your lingo is just that. Lingo. Tell me in english on sensibilitys or in spanish on sensibility or german or what ever language you are speaking. ARe you trying to say that the one man and one woman marriage is basicly a minority? Is it then that the government would not persicute the majority. HOw interesting. I thank you for your education on words. The answer of most tell a lot more than spelling. I am a believer in One man having many women. I believe that men should take care of there women. I think that men are made for women and a woman was made for a man. I do not think that there is any shame in letting a man take care of me, and me giving him all I can in return. I think that I like that. I think that to try to go out and prove you are tough because you can strap a job like a man, proves nothing. So. You can work. All woman can. All men can. But why you are out showing your streanth; where are your children. In a day care. In the street. In a school. There is not any shame in being a Mother. There is not any shame in loving a man. Or a woman for that matter. So much for your replies in sensibilities. I think you know nothing about goats. I will keep my mind and thinking. YOurs is differnt. But who is to say you are righter than me. Maybe for you it is so, that you live different. But the way I live is for me; And that is what makes America great. Neat language. And free speach.

Anonymous said...

Is the preceeding a notice of male or female opinion? Does it state a fact or imply an attitude. I think it tends to wander through a lexicon of language in an attempt to take a pro sex viewpoint without regard to the gender of the writer.

The question is and remains: "who then is responsible for the care and maintenance of children born as the result of copulation between consenting adults?" If past history is to be used as evidence, it would appear as if the male sperm donor, benefactor of the sexual climax, chooses that all children, products of his loins are wards of the state rather than being his own responsibility. If this is the case, in fact, then the state has a very strong case for controlling birth of children who are not claimed by their natural father as a son or daughter, in a legal sense. If you want to scatter seed it should be your responsibility, not mine or anyone elses, to see to it that the child is fed, clothed, has medical attention, is educated and has training to allow it to earn it's own way in the world. To do less is a crime against the child and against society. But then when have you ever worried about responsability?

Anonymous said...

8:26

Meet Ruth

onthestreet said...

ANONYMOUS SAID (12/21/2005 8:26 PM):

If this is the case, in fact, then the state has a very strong case for controlling birth of children WHO ARE NOT CLAIMED by their natural father as a son or daughter, in a legal sense. If you want to scatter seed it should be your responsibility, not mine or anyone elses, to see to it that the child is fed, clothed, has medical attention, is educated and has training to allow it to earn it's own way in the world. To do less is a crime against the child and against society. But then when have you ever worried about responsability?

STREET’S Reply: You hit the nail on the head. “The state has an interest in children WHO ARE NOT CLAIMED. That’s the thing. The FLDS people MARRY their women, and CLAIM their children. Now, as for who’s responsibility it is to feed and clothe them, that too belongs to the Father, and if God the Father chooses to institute governments for the support of His children, who are you to challenge God. CHILDREN BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE the FLDS Church partake of government programs, entitlements, or benefits. That is the very nature of government, to take care of the people, AND ESPECIALLY a people who were cast off to the fringes of society by that very government in the first place. So government has responsibilities, or else what good is it.

Still, if I’m correct, the FLDS people in Texas no longer partake, further removing you from your claims to persecute people who are MARRYING their wives and taking care of their own children, AS GOD DIRECTS them according to the dictates of their own conscience. “Government shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion”, and the practices and institutions of the FLDS Church are long-established elements of a religion. Therefore, the Supreme Law of the Land protects them. If you wish to tear that down, it will only affect your own institutions.

Anonymous said...

12/21 3:28

Very true but alas, most of them lose their ability to reproduce long before they even know that they have that ability and are thereafter referred to by their human masters by the pet name Bar-b-que.

Would male FLDS be willing to submit to the same? Perhaps that is a better definition of the "lost boys."

Anonymous said...

But Mr. Street:

God created FAMILY long before any government came into being. FAMILY is the responsible group for care and nurture of children.

GOVERNMENT can not copulate. GOVERNMENT does not bear children. Only humans bear human children. Therefore humans are responsible to care for their own.

When IRRESPONSIBLE humans bear children and the children are neglected they can only become wards of the state as a result of evidence being presented in a court of law establishing that the parents of the child are incapable of or incompetent to care for the child/children they bear. The children are then declared to be wards of the state. As wards of the state they are placed in places that meet minimum standards to provide basic child care. Are these child care providers perfect. No. Are they better than the neglect from which the child was originally taken? That is a matter for a welefare case worker to decide. Do these people make good decisions? Not always. Do we live in a perfect society? No. Would society be better if men and women who gave birth to children took responsability for food, shelter, clothing, education and love considered as normal in childhood development. Yes. Now as you were saying about GOVERNMENT RESPONSABILITY.........TAKE SOME OF IT ON YOURSELF AND SHUT UP.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said... 12/21 3:28
Very true but alas, most of them lose their ability to reproduce long before they even know that they have that ability and are thereafter referred to by their human masters by the pet name Bar-b-que. Would male FLDS be willing to submit to the same? Perhaps that is a better definition of the "lost boys."12/22/2005 9:23 PM

STREET's Reply: Well now, Abraham waited on the Lord until he was 100 years old, and the Lord blessed him all those years, and then eternally so. Can you wait on the Lord, or would you rather not? As for "Bar-b-ques", the burnt offerings of the brazen altar constitute an initiation in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If you can't sacrifice yourself, your feelings, your possessions, or what you think you own, unto the owner of the world, where does that leave you?

The sheep that are lost (boys) are found, those who so choose.

onthestreet said...

Just aa follow-up: The Lord says that He always has watchmen on the earth to prune His vineyard. Even Abraham, the "Father of the Faithful", sacrificed to one over him on the earth, one truly anointed of God. If you can't find out who that man is in your generation, then you are in trouble. Wouldn't you agree?

Anonymous said...

What has your reply to do with taking responsability for care of your own children. You don't even address the place of the family. Every time responsability is mentioned you sling the word off like it was repugnant. Your cavalier attitude toward your omnipresent presumed position within the human race is idiotic.

Just to let you know, I DON'T NEED A MAN IN MY GENERATION TO DO ANYTHING. NEITHER YOU NOR WARREN JEFFS HAVE A THING THAT I CARE TO POSSESS NOR THAT I WILL EVER COVET. CHRIST DIED FOR MY SINS AND YOURS. I HAVE MADE MY CHOICE, YOU HAVE MADE YOURS.

Go back and read the 12/22 9:40 post

Anonymous said...

12/22 11:36

Not Ruth: No sob story or whining about 'poor me'. Very few, if any spelling errors, complete sentences,thoughts are carried trough to completion all of which are deffinitely not Ruth's style.

Anonymous said...

Look at the one above that.

Anonymous said...

I concur with your observation.

Anonymous said...

diffinatly? you mock and use bad spelling. I think you are all a little slow on your blame game. And can you be sure about any one? Look at the word sinse. But sinse the poster claims to be a free thinking Tyrant, this spelling is over looked. How do you know that any thing is true on this barbaric web page?

Anonymous said...

12/27 9:28 PM

My dear, when you write a comprehendable sentence perhaps it will aid in getting your message out to those of us who are not aware of what you are attempting to express. Why? Because your writing goes in circles. Your spelling and word useage is abomnible and your cause is obtuse. Now, see if you can find a school teacher, preferably one who has taught at sixth grade level who will be able to teach you a bit about spelling, normal sentence structure, and the difference between parts of speech; nouns, verbw, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, prepositions, articles etc. Once you have developed the skill to make at least 70% on tests he/she is willing to give to you in relationship to you ability, then write on this post and express your ideas andf concerns to your heart's content but, until you are able to do that your additions simply underscore your lack of education.

Anonymous said...

Do you think I care one whit about your twit? Schooling never saved any one from cruelty. I care not if you like my spelling. I care not if you hate it. I care not one whit what you think of me. I had no message to give. I have no advice. I have no brilliance. I have no wanting. I care not one whit what you think or say. Spelling is a decoy. And if you would judge a person on their ability to spell and write, you are a judgmentle fool. Christ came to save all. He did not come and say, "If you spell well, You will stay from hell." And I am glad he is my judge not any of you. Or them for that matter. I care not what you think of me. Take your own advice and go back to kindergarten and learn the real lessons of life.

Anonymous said...

Thou shalt have no other God before me.
HOnor thy Father and thy MOther.
Judge not that thou be not judged;
Love thy neighbor as thyself.
thou shalt not covet.
Thou shalt not committ adultery;
Thou shalt not lie.
Thou shalt not steal.
If thou brother ask you to go a mile go two.
If he ask for your coat, give your cloak also.
And there is a universal law; What you give out comes back.

Anonymous said...

Schooling was not intended to save anyone. The whole purpose of selling nd writing is to be able to effectivly communicate.

I can quote all the scripture you can, and I will spell every word correctly.

I can spell every word correctly be disobedient to your prophet and still be saved by Jesus Christ and his shed blood. My salvation is not dependent upon what I do but what HE has done for me.

Anonymous said...

correction to 12/28/05 4:13 post

First paragraph, second sentence
should be: spelling and writing... Typos can be forgiven too.

Anonymous said...

We don't normally bash for spelling in here.

But since you started it, Anon 10:31:

It is usage, not useage.

Abominable is not spelled abomnible.

Verbw is not a word.

Andf is not a word.

Your sentence structure is awful.

Sentences should not begin with "because".

Napoleon Dynamite has a word for people like you.

"Idiot!"

Anonymous said...

Well Mr. Street if Abraham at 100 years of age and Sarah age 99 had waited on the Lord, there would be no Islamic religion or polygamy.

The world is still paying for Abraham and Sarah's lapse in faith and sin.

God kept his promise, but it came with a great price.

Also, Street, I suppose you do not think that the turning over of other men wives over to another man adultery do you?

Well I do, and like a chain reaction that sin will trickle out who knows what.

Anonymous said...

12/28 4:21

Thank you for your kind comment. I shall cherish the title knowing it came from such an exalted source. It's not every day that a poor sinful, typo prone individual such as I enjoy the highly esteemed honor of being granted a coveted title by such a Godlike figment of one's imigination such as yourself.

Now go find a mirror and worship.

Faithful Woman said...

Hey you guys, the Stop Polygabuse-@www.aimoo.com forum is for this kind of character bashing.

On this blog we are trying to increase comunication, figure out what the HE** happened to our community, decide what to do about it, and get lives in order. So cut the crap and be respectful of each other.