FLDS Prophet Warren Jeffs may be serving life in prison, but his followers continue with their work on the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas where the group's white limestone Temple towers over the town they are building. Polygamy, the practice of plural marriage, appears to be alive and well in the Lone Star State, despite laws to the contrary.
Tuesday, August 30, 2005
who is enforcing warrens edicts?
I have heard that Lyle Jeffs is now in charge in cc and Willy T is no longer in town. Also, Are the faithful warrenites receiving satellite transmissions from Warren? If so there should be a way to intercept those communications.
we just have to look for all the cars and suv's with dark tinted windows and tons of "security" you can easily find warren in the middle of the circle, They mostly play his special made tapes but a few times he has made a phone call to the congregation, I'm no phone expert, but if they can tap our phones we can tap theirs!!
That was pretty lame Street. Unless you are going to say that God now uses all man's modern technology to deliver revelation to warren. If he gets any real inspiration it is not coming from above! His is the lowest form of communication.
Talking about lame, Revelation is the highest form of comunication. I know we could not expect you peole to know anything about that. You do not even believe in God. Mostly as far as I can tell, You believe in unbelieve.
You are right about me not believing in YOUR god. Revelation from God would be the highest form of communication. It would also be the truth. Revelation from Satan or the imaginations of man are not a high form communication in my estimation, and they will show forth in their falsity.
Warren has had revelations about several people not dying at a time they were very ill, some when they had reached the lifespan of man on the earth. They died from their illness or from their old age, contrary to warren's word. I know you are desperate enough to twist his words and stretch them into eternity to make them true, but show me a prophecy from the scriptures that needed that kind of support. They have been literally fulfilled. They don't have to be 'spiritualized'.
And "as far as I can tell" shows the darkness of your mind. A people once blessed with the truth and rejecting it will become darkened. "And how great will be that darkness"
See what I mean, Jay Beswick. Nobody cares about abuse. All they care about is trying to prove our religion is wrong. You claim to have evidence of something that was not right. I know that you are right about some of it. I also walked, in these girls shoes. We did not need more Preachers. We needed some one who would stop the abuse. I do not feel like our religion is abusive. I think it is different than your life-style, but being different is not abuse. And with God, he put us on this earth but for a moment. His ways are forever into eternity. We look forward to life. Forever into eternity. So, If you good people want to convince us, that the government did not come into here to prosicute us for our religion, Quit acting like it. We know you did. And to say, that the District Attorneys were hoping that we would self distruct: That is another proof, you care nothing about us. And yesterday, some-one said, that the District attorney said, that we are an embarrasment to him. And you all have proven the truth of what we are tought... "I will set up an ensign. A perculiar people, and they shall be hated by all." Maybe I did not quote it exactly, but it is in the book of MOrman. I do not know any other people on earth, that have been hated as much as ours. I do not know any other people upon the earth, who fits the profile. I know no other people upon the earth, who fit the description of the Prophacys. I do not expect to proof any thing. I think about Lasereth. And that story. His persicutor when he died, cried unto God to send Lasereth back. He said, I will not. THe people would not believe the Prophets. They would not believe the one, who was dead. We only spend about one hundred years upon this earth. In that ammount of time, you build the person you are. YOu either root out the evil or the good, and then you become what you do. I say, to spend a life time trying to prove a people or a person is wrong is a strange way to live. I know that I am not liked. I still have to live the best I can. When I see people that get away with abuse, and Our Prophet can stop it, why this nation trys to destroy him, because of his religion. I say, I will hold to him. I do not want the world ways. BRoad is the gate, and wide is the way, that leads to the path of distruction. And The rod is the only way. The rod is the word of God.
Ruth, you keep complaining about the abuses and then saying your prophet warren can stop them. Why doesn't he then. Why are you appealing to Jay? All you are is talk just like those you are accusing of the same. I guess you don't care either.
I know this will bring the wrath of Ruth down upon me and the rest of us will be able to say something after about ten of her posts. Sorry everyone, I had to say something. Her rantings are a disgrace. They take ten pages to say nothing.
A quote that applies directly to warren's followers. Thank you!
Those who follow warren have persued the same path that the children of Israel did in Moses' time. Moses gave the Israelites the chance to go into the mount with him and speak with God. They did not have faith sufficient to do it. They wanted another man to take the responsibilty for them.
Which requires the most faith; to let another man do all the asking of God or to ask him for yourself?
Warren has replaced God in their religion so they can have him between them and God to blame for all those things they know are wrong but do anyway "for the prophet".
And I say, all the Prophets of all the days would have been glad, that all men were Prophets. From God to them. But, they have labored all their days with great weaknesses of men. We are laboring to teach the first principles. Faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ. I think if all people had this one learned, we could move on to the next principle. faith in the Lord Jesus. God, himself is capable to take care of all the abuses. Why does he not? You ask this question to contend. I say, God himself will do this thing. He always has, he always will. If men know of a crime, and they turn there back on it, they are quilty of it. If they know of a crime, and they do all they can, they are free of the sin. I say, Jay Beswick Knew of some of these crimes. Maybe he did all he could. Maybe he did not. I am not his judge. We are all in the same boat. To say a person is a greater sinner than another is a weakness of the flesh. All men are created equal. All men are accountable for there own actions. Sometines God allows a man to continue in sin all the days of his life. He allows him to grow old an feeble and when he dies he is put in a place he can hurt nobody. I say, these crimes need stopped. I say, we can do nothing about what has been done. The debt is upon the men who perpetuated it. But I say there is something that some one can do to prevent it from happining again. We all know who the perpertrators are. We all do. The men in the government do, and the film people do, and the ones in my city do. And as to Moses, why lay all the blame upon a man. Can he carry a people who are determined to build there golden calfs and worship stuff. I say, God will give unto all of you what you do so desire. You seek to make a mock of me. I have been made a mock off, all my life. That did not change truth. I am not your enimies. I am not your judge. I have no blessings or cursing. I am a hmble servant of the Lord, trying to shake off the affects of the truth I know, about these men, who abuse. I think that I am not there Judge. I thank God daily, I am not there judge. I thank him daily I am not your Judge. I Thank him greatly, that he is capable of doing this great thing of judging all, people. I love my Lord. I seek to Please him. I seek to honor him. As you treat God, so shall he treat you. As your faith is, so shall it be. You will all have to excuse me now, I have things to do, besides argue with people who are determined to hate me, because I love a man. I love him. I do. He stopped the grossest of Abuse. He stopped them. They know it. I know it. I have my emotions, but he takes care of me. They can play the inacent game, for all I care. God knows what they did, and so do they. I am not responsible for you, or them. I talk to Jay Beswick, because he helped me. I was not holding a sword. I was looking for information. I recieved it. I am greatful to him. I agree with him, on some things. I seek to serve my lord. Like I said, if you hate me, please do not tell me about it. Good day.
It is not a hopeless case. It is a hopful case. Why? Because it is not my responsibiliy. It is not my responsibility, to be responsible for other's emotion's. It is my responsibility to take care of my feelings. And if you were refering to the stopping of our church, you are right. It is a hopeless case.
However, there are a lot of people who lost there home yesterday. There are a lot of people who lost there homes. Here is an opertunity for you to do something really worth while. Helping people is a lot different than trying to remove them from there home. I say, I think here is an oppertunity to help YOur fellow country men.
What a Warrenite helping a black hurricane victim?
Warren is probably jumping down in glee that all those evil people, in that evil city drown and lost their homes.
Charity....there is no charity in Warrenite FLDS. It is a narrow minded, self gradifying, self-centered and self promoting community.
If Jesus came up as a black dirty beggar to the door of any FLDS door what would the response be? Well, let me reinstate my question "If Jesus could get to the front door to knock before being harrassed by the CC police in Shortcreek."
Folks are so programed the world is out to get them because they are pligs, they forget the Golden Rule. "Love one another as yourself." Jesus did not say "Love only my followers as yourself."
Jesus said in Matthew 12:36-37 36 "And I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for it in the day of judgement. 37 "For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned."
It's hard having your faith shattered and facing facts, but if the old won't stand up for what's right, the "rebellious young people" sure will. I used to think "rebellion" was a bad thing, but I think the great creator put it in us for a reason.
I say; If there is some good you can do, do it. Accusing never brought about any good. I say, God is enforcing things at the moment. I say he was before. What have you done that is good? I say, God knows the heart of all. he is the greatest pay-master. And you have the answer, to my veiw of this thread. And the oppressed; He shall dry there tears. He shall heal there hearts. He shall defend them, when no one else did. The ones who were not honest, he shall throw down. He shall make the weak strong, just like he said, he would. He gives us all opportunitys. Opportunitys to make choices. What is your choice? Are you a builder or a destroyer? That is the Question. Will you make things better? Will you oppress? I say, God is enforcing things. I say, lay down your sword. Do what you can, for the oppressed. There are a lot of people in need. Who will help?
well said paladin I dont't think a man is worth anything if he dosen't help raise his own offspring. Unfortunately, most men of the "priesthood" persuasion, treat their wives and children like property, and never express love. I have seen men whos kids never willingly went to them for a hug and NEVER kissed their wife or showed any affection. When there is no natural affection, it is no wonder men and women are influenced by these bastards like warren
on the other hand I applaud the men who fight to keep there kids close even after being kicked out. Even more kudos to those couples who stay together despite warrens threats and intimidation.
WHICH GOD ARE YOU REFERRING TO MR. OR MS. ANONYMOUS Anonymous said... I say; If there is some good you can do, do it. Accusing never brought about any good. I say, God is enforcing things at the moment. I say he was before. What have you done that is good? I say, God knows the heart of all. he is the greatest pay-master. And you have the answer, to my veiw of this thread. And the oppressed; He shall dry there tears. He shall heal there hearts. He shall defend them, when no one else did. The ones who were not honest, he shall throw down. He shall make the weak strong, just like he said, he would. He gives us all opportunitys. Opportunitys to make choices. What is your choice? Are you a builder or a destroyer? That is the Question. Will you make things better? Will you oppress? I say, God is enforcing things. I say, lay down your sword. Do what you can, for the oppressed. There are a lot of people in need. Who will help?
I think that it is very pathetic to see peopole following one man down to hell. I have been watching all the news and reading some of the blogs and I hope that people can wake up and do the right thing. This man only has the power that the people have given him. I also feel that Warren should not worry about the law so much, be he should worry about who he has kicked out, stolen families, and wiped out children's memories. In another few years those children will not remember their biological fathers, who for the lack of good reasons were just not "religious" enough to suit Warren's fancy. Furthermore I feel that the people who are still in the twin cities should step up to the mark and take care of their responsibilities in those cities, and stop giving this man money and power. As soon as Warren looses the money trail, he will soon look for other people to bleed. Read the "Coming Crisis," and see for yourself what kind of a man Warren is.
paladin; so nice to have you back. you don't, by any chance, have a business card made up. " have truth, will travel". Thanks for sharing your insight.
Has anyone noticed that on the news so many of the people stranded by the hurricane lay the blame exclusively on someone else. It is someone elses fault they are not happy and secure.
What happened is a tragedy, but why were the people who were stranded, stranded. They were warned - why didn't they leave? Their socio-economic status might have kept them from having as many options as others, but whose issue was that. I think there are choices, years of choices, that led the individuals who are stranded to be in that time, at that place - and a dose of bad luck as well.
I see that same attitude with some of the FLDS. The things that have happened which are bad are always someone elses fault - not their own, some hideous outsider. I look at years of choices made by generations of individuals - and no one willing to take responsiblity for the misery that they feel. How did you get there - lots of choices and probably a little bad luck.
Onthestreet, my hat’s off to you. You have played your game well.
I have watched in amazement, since this blog first started, as you have spun your web of intrigue. It has been very entertaining to see peoples’ posts as they have tried to figure out who you are, whether you are a male or female and what kind of mental disorder they think you must have. Why, you even had some people thinking that you are Warren.
I have marveled at how you have been able to incite such passionate responses from the likes of Mugwump, Atari and several others who otherwise sound like intelligent and rational people.
You had the administrators of this blog and the Canadian blog so up in arms that they had to ban you for awhile. You would think that everyone would have caught on by now but you are still able to lure them in. You still have them thinking that you are a true believer, follower and defender of Warren.
People, when are you going to catch on? Can’t you see that you are being played? Think about it! Don’t get so caught up in the content of his posts that you overlook the spirit and intent of his posts. Look back through his posts and nearly every one has some little smartass remark weaved in among his incoherent statements. The incoherency of his posts is intentional and the snide remarks are put in to incite a passionate response.
Street obviously grew up in that religion and knows the teachings well enough that he can make it sound like, to some people, that he is actually trying to defend it. However, anyone who grew up in that religion should know that someone who was truly trying to represent the FLDS, either now or pre-warren, wouldn’t be doing it in the spirit of Streets posts. He gets off on seeing people respond to his posts and seeing how much controversy he can stir up. He is not schizophrenic and he is not defending his faith. Street is just having fun with you. You’ve been played. Game on! Who’s got next?
Well, do you know what, you could start by quoteing some of the Bible, instead of always slandering others. And you do not even know if street is a he.
St. Matthew Chapter 12 Verse 34 An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas; for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 35 The men of Nineveh shall rise up in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and , ye behold, a greater than Jonas is here. 36 The queen of the south shall rise up in the day of judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it; for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and ye behold, a greater than Solomon is here. 37 Then came some of the Scribes and said unto him, Master, it is written that, every sin shall beforgiven; but ye say, Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven. and they asked him, saying, How can these things be? 38 And he said unto them, when the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest and findeth none; but when a man speaketh against the Holy Ghost, then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth him empty, swept and garnished; for the good spitit leaveth him unto himself. 39 Then goeth the evil spirit, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in and dwell there; and the last end of that man is worse than the first. even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Proverbs chapter 29 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy. 2. When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. 3Whoso loveth wisdom rejoiceth his father; but he that keepeth company with harlots spendeth his substance. 4 The King by judgment establisheth the land; but he that receiveth gifts overthroweth it. 5 A man that flattereth his heighbor spreadeth a net for his feet. 6 In the transgression of an evil man there is a snare; but the righteous doth sing and rejoice. 7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor; but the wicked regardeth not to know it. 8 Scornful men bring a city into a snare; but wise men turn away wrath. 9 If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, wheather he rage or laugh, there is no rest. 10 The bloodthirsty hate the upright; but the just seek his soul.
Wow, who ever "anonymous" is, that was quoting the book of MORMON, must not have read it recently, cause you spelled the names and even the book wrong. All I want to know is why are you people trying to talk others into your religion. There's no use, they want and do what makes them happy. So let people be, God WILL sort it out and we will all know who was right when we die. right.
YOu know what, I thought that warrenites didn't use or even allowed to watch TV, let alone, use the internet? Wow isn't that a new thing, what lie will the Media say now, or the ex-plygs for that matter. Ya know, because all us "pligs" are so reclusive and can't interact with the rest of the world, and we're so illiterate because we didn't finish the 1st grade (I'm being fascias if you didn't catch on.)
As I stated in a previous thread - I don't really care how many women the husbands sleep with - I care how many *adolescent* women the husbands sleep with.
Does that make sense?
And of course, as discussed before, the issues that spring from that concern me (lost boys, welfare).
If an adult chooses to follow a religion and gets screwed out of a family, home and community - so be it. Kids suffering is another matter - so the lifestyle, only in the way that it is detrimental to kids, concerns me.
However, many families lead lifestyles that are detrimental to kids, and that's a part of being an adult. You can be hurtful to your children in a very *legal* fashion (thus, nothing can be done), however, when you are hurtful to your children in an illegal fashion (adolescent marriage, kicking boys out, failure to provide) then there is something that CAN and SHOULD be done.
This is NOT just an FLDS issue (hurtful behavior to children), however, some of the particulary hurtful behaviors are endemic to the FLDS, and thus have received attention.
I swear we would leave you all alone if adolescent marriage and failure to provide for children (lost boys, welfare) were not so widespread in your community.
CLEARLY your religion can be practiced WITHOUT that sort of behavior.
Jesus said, "My yoke is easy, and my burden light."
I think the government has strayed so far from honesty, that it is a mericle if any one gets a fair trail. I think that if the money was taken out of the court system, there may be honest American law again. Until then, enjoy the war. Who of you really know the truth. How many of you voted for war. Who, even tries to live the law of Christ today? And you can read in the Book of Morman, and it says that after the wicked are dead, they shall cry unto God to bury them. Who then can call upon God to protect them? Who will lay down their sword? War is a terrible thing. For the rightous and the wicked. Arguing over his law is sensless. It is written, "Every knee shall bend, and every toung confess, he is the Christ.
All of this religious debate reminds me of the arguments used in the Jeffs vs Stubbs case in 1987. In the end, the religious context will not hold water in a court that is seperating church and state.
By the way, wasn't the weather nice in Colorado City last week?
Since Bill Montgomery took up a position on Colorado City, I have taken up a new hobby. I think its time Warren Jeffs and Mr. Beswick meet for a subject of mutual interest. I can certainly make the drive again if Warren is willing or meet him where he isn't!
The sexualization of children should never be done in the name of religion. It's abuse. You can GUESS how old the virgin mary was when she was betrothed - but that's about it. You don't know how old she was when she was married.
once again, to get back on topic: Mr. Wisen told someone close to me that he was informed that Lyle Jeffs was now directing affairs in Colirado CIty and WIll Timpson was not in town any longer. I would appreciate any confirmation of this. OTS et al take your annoying little whiney fight to another blog. Every topic on this blog has been hijacked by OTS and Mugwump fightting and scripture slinging. Who is going to be the adult here??? Don't you realize you two will never change anyones mind? OTS is just baiting the hook and you guys swallow it every time
IS THERE ANYTHING FOR RENT CURRENTLY IN COLORADO CITY OR HILDALE? COMMERCIAL, SMALL ENOUGH TO OPERATE A OFFICE? WOULD I RENT FROM WHOM? BRUCE WISAN or L. JEFFS?
Oh by the way if tax liens are offered per the below, I might pick out the house I want early! I kind of like Truman's, its the colonial look and right across the street from the UEP community garden. I have friends with LA County Sheriff who would put up the other taxes to own a piece of the red desert.
Not paying the taxes, does not mean Warren wins, but it opens the door on whom else could live amongst the faithful. Warren is making it to easy, by playing the stubborn child!
epress; Jeffs reportedly says no to taxes COLORADO CITY, Ariz. - According to published reports, including the Salt Lake Tribune, Warren Jeffs, the leader of the FLDS Church, has allegedly instructed his followers to stop paying their property taxes. That includes his followers in Colorado City, Ariz. and Hildale, Utah., who pay into the United Effort Plan. According to Ron Nicholson, the Mohave County Assessor, the United Effort Plan is one of the largest taxpayers in Mohave County, and he has never before experienced a problem with the citizens of Colorado City. "If that thing went to lien, you can be sure there would be all kinds of investors up there, who basically are in the business of buying these tax things from clear across the country," said Nicholson. "And they would be buying that in a heartbeat, because they would figure somewhere down the road, somebody is going to pay off on those, and even if they didn't pay off, they would end up owning." He said he isn't scheduled to visit Colorado City for another nine months. Jeffs has reportedly told his followers not to pay taxes to the UEP this year, and when the taxman comes calling to "answer them nothing." Nicholson said in all probability the UEP court assigned fiduciary would pay the tax bill, even if the citizens there refused to contribute this year.
Jay, where is the property in Apple Valley that I hear is going to be sold for taxes? My sister lives there and I wouldn't mind owning land closer to my family still in .
Mugwump: sorry if I sounded too harsh, your devotion and zeal for your beliefs is admirable
ots: You seem to know who I am,so I assume we went to ALta Academy around the same time period. You are way off the deep end, buddy or buddess (is that a word?) Anyone who wasn't one of the elite in the group knew that Warren had a king complex all those yerars ago. If you are for real, then identify yourself, or are you following Warren by hiding behind empty words and threats?
I'll ask Wisan aqbout which parcels were being considered. I know there was some fear that the land of the faithful would be sold out from underneath them and I heard it mentioned that there was land in AV that might be an option toward paying the taxes without threatening those occupied.
In Warren's brilliance, he may open the door to having gentiles instead of apostates living between them.
Alta Academy was the name of the private school located in Rulon Jeffs home in Salt Lake City. It existed there from the mid seventies till the late 90's. members of the group sent there children there and the teachers were all volunteers from the group. I attended through the 80's
ATAR_I asked how old is Warren Jeffs? Per the FBI he was born 03 December 1955 See FBI website for more: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/aug2005/augjeffs.htm
onthestreet said... GOOD! Mission Accomplished. For I, Warren Jeffs, am the lord of flies, the servant of the devil, for I yearn for my servant onthestreet to join me with the gentlemen in the cell block shower down Huntsville, Texas way.
In the years I attended Alta Academy, I was pretty much shunned simply because I had the wrong name. The social caste system was something disgusting to behold, and still is among the polygamists today. If a man had pretty daughters or lots of tithing money to donate, then he was held in high esteem by the leaders. However, the leaders also had their own inner circle. Warren has managed to create his own inner circle, but probably distrusts everyone in it. I think Warren shows signs of pranoid schizophrenia. He enjoyed movies sports and fun when I attended school. I remember in paticular, he brought in the movie "Silverado" for us to watch in place of a paticulary boring geography test. We also went on long hikes 6 or 8 times a year and a cookout once a year. He seems to have gone off the deep end for sure.
A man can only fall from as high as he has climbed. It is becuase of warren's previous intelligence and knowlege that he is able to become so darkened and evil. He has used his gifts of intelligence to persue evil.
One of the former boys from the Creek was up by the grainery's and tavern behind U. Louis's now Lyle Jeffs house. And Lyle Jeffs came up and faced him down and asked who he was. He told him and asked who he was. He was told "none of your business." (It is just a one way street to them, they can ask info but have none to give) He was told he was trespassing on private property. This x-creeker told Lyle that he was. That he had helped dig the tavern and build this house and pave these roads...and what had Lyle Jeffs or his father or brothers done to build this town? Lyle replied "God and his prophet fear no man." I can understand that God doesn't, but I know there is a certain man that is running scared. The x-creeker said "There is room enough for all the people that ever lived here to come back, except Warren Jeffs and Isaac Jeffs. There is no room for them. And we are coming back to the land of our birth, we will not give up.
Four years ago, Lyle Jeffs was in SLC with a large family, their power was turned off, they had no food, they were desperate. They were still going to Saturday projects (esp for the meals) and were donating their time and efforts and business to the building up of the "Work". Their circumstances were made known and a host of men went over and helped fix their washer and get their power on and help get some food.
Now he has taken over a "stolen" house. He never had to work or pay a penny on. He now lives in the lap of luxury on the work and dime of all the hard working families in CC. And can kick out who he pleases and give direction on things he has no business doing. ANd THEY love him for it.
What's wrong with that picture? It appears to be tainted by the person painting it. What's your point,RHI?
Let me see if I got it straight.....Lyle and family were at one time poor. Yes? Lyle and family donated time to a certain charity or church group. Yes?
People continue to give freely of their time and money to Lyle and family. Yes? Lyle's friends learned of his circumstances and pooled resources to help him out. Yes? Now Lyle is living a more abundant existence in a home he didn't actually BUILD. Yes? Lyle is surrounded by people who love him. Yes? And if what you say is true, he is in a position of spiritual leadership for these people. Right? And they obviously love him.
What's your point? What's the matter, RHI, are you having a touch of indigestion?
That Louis Barlow would walk away from his beautiful family and children that were only 2, 4, 6 years old and tell his wives to do the prophets will. To give up a house that we had just got done building with him. For him. To have his family split up and not even be able to talk to them.
To have Lyle Jeffs, a nobody from SLC come in an take over and use the resources and time and effort of the hard working "slaves" to make a castle. To have him live off of the people and for them to let him direct their lives. Why do people give up their freedom so easily?
Uncle Bygnal moved into Truman Barlow's house.
Nate Jessop moved into Nephi's house.
Jake Barlow moved into Dan's house.
Lyle Jeffs moved into U. Louis's
Ralph Johnson moved into U. Alma's
Did I miss something? The only immorality and raping and plundering is being done by Warren Jeffs on a unsuspecting people.
didn't the Barlow boys make there own bed, so to speak? first of all they were the ringleaders behind the power grab in the 80's, kicking people out of ther homes and filing lawsuit after lawsuit. They got caught in their own web of lies and weren't able to fight against the monster they created. Do you believe in Karma???
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we just have to look for all the cars and suv's with dark tinted windows and tons of "security" you can easily find warren in the middle of the circle, They mostly play his special made tapes but a few times he has made a phone call to the congregation, I'm no phone expert, but if they can tap our phones we can tap theirs!!
Frankly it is none of your bussiness.
They use satellite, but it is for the internet, they do the phone calls through the internet into CC.
That was pretty lame Street. Unless you are going to say that God now uses all man's modern technology to deliver revelation to warren. If he gets any real inspiration it is not coming from above! His is the lowest form of communication.
Talking about lame, Revelation is the highest form of comunication. I know we could not expect you peole to know anything about that. You do not even believe in God. Mostly as far as I can tell, You believe in unbelieve.
You are right about me not believing in YOUR god. Revelation from God would be the highest form of communication. It would also be the truth. Revelation from Satan or the imaginations of man are not a high form communication in my estimation, and they will show forth in their falsity.
Warren has had revelations about several people not dying at a time they were very ill, some when they had reached the lifespan of man on the earth. They died from their illness or from their old age, contrary to warren's word. I know you are desperate enough to twist his words and stretch them into eternity to make them true, but show me a prophecy from the scriptures that needed that kind of support. They have been literally fulfilled. They don't have to be 'spiritualized'.
And "as far as I can tell" shows the darkness of your mind. A people once blessed with the truth and rejecting it will become darkened. "And how great will be that darkness"
Oh, ye of little faith: How oft, would I have gathered you, and you would not.
See what I mean, Jay Beswick. Nobody cares about abuse. All they care about is trying to prove our religion is wrong. You claim to have evidence of something that was not right. I know that you are right about some of it. I also walked, in these girls shoes. We did not need more Preachers. We needed some one who would stop the abuse. I do not feel like our religion is abusive. I think it is different than your life-style, but being different is not abuse. And with God, he put us on this earth but for a moment. His ways are forever into eternity. We look forward to life. Forever into eternity. So, If you good people want to convince us, that the government did not come into here to prosicute us for our religion, Quit acting like it. We know you did. And to say, that the District Attorneys were hoping that we would self distruct: That is another proof, you care nothing about us. And yesterday, some-one said, that the District attorney said, that we are an embarrasment to him. And you all have proven the truth of what we are tought...
"I will set up an ensign. A perculiar people, and they shall be hated by all." Maybe I did not quote it exactly, but it is in the book of MOrman. I do not know any other people on earth, that have been hated as much as ours. I do not know any other people upon the earth, who fits the profile. I know no other people upon the earth, who fit the description of the Prophacys. I do not expect to proof any thing. I think about Lasereth. And that story. His persicutor when he died, cried unto God to send Lasereth back. He said, I will not. THe people would not believe the Prophets. They would not believe the one, who was dead. We only spend about one hundred years upon this earth. In that ammount of time, you build the person you are. YOu either root out the evil or the good, and then you become what you do. I say, to spend a life time trying to prove a people or a person is wrong is a strange way to live. I know that I am not liked. I still have to live the best I can. When I see people that get away with abuse, and Our Prophet can stop it, why this nation trys to destroy him, because of his religion. I say, I will hold to him. I do not want the world ways. BRoad is the gate, and wide is the way, that leads to the path of distruction. And The rod is the only way. The rod is the word of God.
Ruth, you keep complaining about the abuses and then saying your prophet warren can stop them. Why doesn't he then. Why are you appealing to Jay? All you are is talk just like those you are accusing of the same. I guess you don't care either.
I know this will bring the wrath of Ruth down upon me and the rest of us will be able to say something after about ten of her posts. Sorry everyone, I had to say something. Her rantings are a disgrace. They take ten pages to say nothing.
Anon 11:31
A quote that applies directly to warren's followers. Thank you!
Those who follow warren have persued the same path that the children of Israel did in Moses' time. Moses gave the Israelites the chance to go into the mount with him and speak with God. They did not have faith sufficient to do it. They wanted another man to take the responsibilty for them.
Which requires the most faith; to let another man do all the asking of God or to ask him for yourself?
Warren has replaced God in their religion so they can have him between them and God to blame for all those things they know are wrong but do anyway "for the prophet".
And I say, all the Prophets of all the days would have been glad, that all men were Prophets. From God to them. But, they have labored all their days with great weaknesses of men. We are laboring to teach the first principles. Faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ. I think if all people had this one learned, we could move on to the next principle. faith in the Lord Jesus. God, himself is capable to take care of all the abuses. Why does he not? You ask this question to contend. I say, God himself will do this thing. He always has, he always will. If men know of a crime, and they turn there back on it, they are quilty of it. If they know of a crime, and they do all they can, they are free of the sin. I say, Jay Beswick Knew of some of these crimes. Maybe he did all he could. Maybe he did not. I am not his judge. We are all in the same boat. To say a person is a greater sinner than another is a weakness of the flesh. All men are created equal. All men are accountable for there own actions. Sometines God allows a man to continue in sin all the days of his life. He allows him to grow old an feeble and when he dies he is put in a place he can hurt nobody. I say, these crimes need stopped. I say, we can do nothing about what has been done. The debt is upon the men who perpetuated it. But I say there is something that some one can do to prevent it from happining again. We all know who the perpertrators are. We all do. The men in the government do, and the film people do, and the ones in my city do. And as to Moses, why lay all the blame upon a man. Can he carry a people who are determined to build there golden calfs and worship stuff. I say, God will give unto all of you what you do so desire. You seek to make a mock of me. I have been made a mock off, all my life. That did not change truth. I am not your enimies. I am not your judge. I have no blessings or cursing. I am a hmble servant of the Lord, trying to shake off the affects of the truth I know, about these men, who abuse. I think that I am not there Judge. I thank God daily, I am not there judge. I thank him daily I am not your Judge. I Thank him greatly, that he is capable of doing this great thing of judging all, people. I love my Lord. I seek to Please him. I seek to honor him. As you treat God, so shall he treat you. As your faith is, so shall it be. You will all have to excuse me now, I have things to do, besides argue with people who are determined to hate me, because I love a man. I love him. I do. He stopped the grossest of Abuse. He stopped them. They know it. I know it. I have my emotions, but he takes care of me. They can play the inacent game, for all I care. God knows what they did, and so do they. I am not responsible for you, or them. I talk to Jay Beswick, because he helped me. I was not holding a sword. I was looking for information. I recieved it. I am greatful to him. I agree with him, on some things. I seek to serve my lord. Like I said, if you hate me, please do not tell me about it. Good day.
It is a hopeless case and can only be endured.
It is not a hopeless case. It is a hopful case. Why? Because it is not my responsibiliy. It is not my responsibility, to be responsible for other's emotion's. It is my responsibility to take care of my feelings.
And if you were refering to the stopping of our church, you are right. It is a hopeless case.
However, there are a lot of people who lost there home yesterday. There are a lot of people who lost there homes. Here is an opertunity for you to do something really worth while. Helping people is a lot different than trying to remove them from there home. I say, I think here is an oppertunity to help YOur fellow country men.
So what have you done or are you doing to help the hurricane victims?
What a Warrenite helping a black hurricane victim?
Warren is probably jumping down in glee that all those evil people, in that evil city drown and lost their homes.
Charity....there is no charity in Warrenite FLDS. It is a narrow minded, self gradifying, self-centered and self promoting community.
If Jesus came up as a black dirty beggar to the door of any FLDS door what would the response be? Well, let me reinstate my question "If Jesus could get to the front door to knock before being harrassed by the CC police in Shortcreek."
Folks are so programed the world is out to get them because they are pligs, they forget the Golden Rule. "Love one another as yourself." Jesus did not say "Love only my followers as yourself."
Jesus said in Matthew 12:36-37
36 "And I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for it in the day of judgement.
37 "For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned."
and what about the saint george, kanab, fredonia, cedar city, and salt lake victims.. what have you done to help them?
I did not want your sympathy. I wanted what I payed for.
Actually, my life is not so bad, if I do not want to see, my daughter, and I stay away from the people who cheat me.
ya, I agree.
It's hard having your faith shattered and facing facts, but if the old won't stand up for what's right, the "rebellious young people" sure will. I used to think "rebellion" was a bad thing, but I think the great creator put it in us for a reason.
Well said anon
Sooooooo, what about the question that was asked when this thread started
I say; If there is some good you can do, do it. Accusing never brought about any good. I say, God is enforcing things at the moment. I say he was before. What have you done that is good? I say, God knows the heart of all. he is the greatest pay-master. And you have the answer, to my veiw of this thread. And the oppressed; He shall dry there tears. He shall heal there hearts. He shall defend them, when no one else did. The ones who were not honest, he shall throw down. He shall make the weak strong, just like he said, he would. He gives us all opportunitys. Opportunitys to make choices. What is your choice? Are you a builder or a destroyer? That is the Question. Will you make things better? Will you oppress? I say, God is enforcing things. I say, lay down your sword. Do what you can, for the oppressed. There are a lot of people in need. Who will help?
well said paladin
I dont't think a man is worth anything if he dosen't help raise his own offspring.
Unfortunately, most men of the "priesthood" persuasion, treat their wives and children like property, and never express love.
I have seen men whos kids never willingly went to them for a hug and NEVER kissed their wife or showed any affection.
When there is no natural affection, it is no wonder men and women are influenced by these bastards like warren
on the other hand I applaud the men who fight to keep there kids close even after being kicked out.
Even more kudos to those couples who stay together despite warrens threats and intimidation.
Question Street....
If Faithful Woman and her husband gave Warren "humble repentance" would Warren take them back?
Onewaystreet
Mr. Paladin for Truth
Onewaystreet has a question for you?
Can you speculate how far...Warren's Froggys will jump to stay faithful to him? How many more God's laws will they break?
WHICH GOD ARE YOU REFERRING TO MR. OR MS. ANONYMOUS
Anonymous said...
I say; If there is some good you can do, do it. Accusing never brought about any good. I say, God is enforcing things at the moment. I say he was before. What have you done that is good? I say, God knows the heart of all. he is the greatest pay-master. And you have the answer, to my veiw of this thread. And the oppressed; He shall dry there tears. He shall heal there hearts. He shall defend them, when no one else did. The ones who were not honest, he shall throw down. He shall make the weak strong, just like he said, he would. He gives us all opportunitys. Opportunitys to make choices. What is your choice? Are you a builder or a destroyer? That is the Question. Will you make things better? Will you oppress? I say, God is enforcing things. I say, lay down your sword. Do what you can, for the oppressed. There are a lot of people in need. Who will help?
9/02/2005 8:55 PM
I think that it is very pathetic to see peopole following one man down to hell. I have been watching all the news and reading some of the blogs and I hope that people can wake up and do the right thing. This man only has the power that the people have given him. I also feel that Warren should not worry about the law so much, be he should worry about who he has kicked out, stolen families, and wiped out children's memories. In another few years those children will not remember their biological fathers, who for the lack of good reasons were just not "religious" enough to suit Warren's fancy. Furthermore I feel that the people who are still in the twin cities should step up to the mark and take care of their responsibilities in those cities, and stop giving this man money and power. As soon as Warren looses the money trail, he will soon look for other people to bleed. Read the "Coming Crisis," and see for yourself what kind of a man Warren is.
paladin; so nice to have you back. you don't, by any chance, have a business card made up. " have truth, will travel". Thanks for sharing your insight.
Has anyone noticed that on the news so many of the people stranded by the hurricane lay the blame exclusively on someone else. It is someone elses fault they are not happy and secure.
What happened is a tragedy, but why were the people who were stranded, stranded. They were warned - why didn't they leave? Their socio-economic status might have kept them from having as many options as others, but whose issue was that. I think there are choices, years of choices, that led the individuals who are stranded to be in that time, at that place - and a dose of bad luck as well.
I see that same attitude with some of the FLDS. The things that have happened which are bad are always someone elses fault - not their own, some hideous outsider. I look at years of choices made by generations of individuals - and no one willing to take responsiblity for the misery that they feel. How did you get there - lots of choices and probably a little bad luck.
Has anyone else seen Lyle Jeffs in the movie theatres? I've seen him twice in St. George and once in Mesquite.
Seems odd because that's a definite no-no to Warrenites
What movies was Lyle watching?
Maybe he was spying.....
ME
Onthestreet, my hat’s off to you. You have played your game well.
I have watched in amazement, since this blog first started, as you have spun your web of intrigue. It has been very entertaining to see peoples’ posts as they have tried to figure out who you are, whether you are a male or female and what kind of mental disorder they think you must have. Why, you even had some people thinking that you are Warren.
I have marveled at how you have been able to incite such passionate responses from the likes of Mugwump, Atari and several others who otherwise sound like intelligent and rational people.
You had the administrators of this blog and the Canadian blog so up in arms that they had to ban you for awhile. You would think that everyone would have caught on by now but you are still able to lure them in. You still have them thinking that you are a true believer, follower and defender of Warren.
People, when are you going to catch on? Can’t you see that you are being played? Think about it! Don’t get so caught up in the content of his posts that you overlook the spirit and intent of his posts. Look back through his posts and nearly every one has some little smartass remark weaved in among his incoherent statements. The incoherency of his posts is intentional and the snide remarks are put in to incite a passionate response.
Street obviously grew up in that religion and knows the teachings well enough that he can make it sound like, to some people, that he is actually trying to defend it. However, anyone who grew up in that religion should know that someone who was truly trying to represent the FLDS, either now or pre-warren, wouldn’t be doing it in the spirit of Streets posts. He gets off on seeing people respond to his posts and seeing how much controversy he can stir up. He is not schizophrenic and he is not defending his faith. Street is just having fun with you. You’ve been played.
Game on! Who’s got next?
Whatever man, streets just a pain in the azz
Well, do you know what, you could start by quoteing some of the Bible, instead of always slandering others. And you do not even know if street is a he.
St. Matthew
Chapter 12
Verse 34
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas; for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
35 The men of Nineveh shall rise up in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and , ye behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
36 The queen of the south shall rise up in the day of judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it; for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and ye behold, a greater than Solomon is here. 37 Then came some of the Scribes and said unto him, Master, it is written that, every sin shall beforgiven; but ye say, Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven. and they asked him, saying, How can these things be? 38 And he said unto them, when the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest and findeth none; but when a man speaketh against the Holy Ghost, then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth him empty, swept and garnished; for the good spitit leaveth him unto himself. 39 Then goeth the evil spirit, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in and dwell there; and the last end of that man is worse than the first. even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Proverbs chapter 29
He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
2. When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
3Whoso loveth wisdom rejoiceth his father; but he that keepeth company with harlots spendeth his substance.
4 The King by judgment establisheth the land; but he that receiveth gifts overthroweth it.
5 A man that flattereth his heighbor spreadeth a net for his feet.
6 In the transgression of an evil man there is a snare; but the righteous doth sing and rejoice.
7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor; but the wicked regardeth not to know it.
8 Scornful men bring a city into a snare; but wise men turn away wrath.
9 If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, wheather he rage or laugh, there is no rest.
10 The bloodthirsty hate the upright; but the just seek his soul.
Proverbs chapter 28
1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth; but the righteous are bold as a lion.
The Lord sayeth, "OH ye, of little faith; how oft would I have gathered you, but you would not."
Street, you are her what?!!????
LOL - we won't mistake you for an English teacher or a German either
FYI it's 'Herr Detweiler'
Well, I do know my Sound of Music....
Wow, who ever "anonymous" is, that was quoting the book of MORMON, must not have read it recently, cause you spelled the names and even the book wrong. All I want to know is why are you people trying to talk others into your religion. There's no use, they want and do what makes them happy. So let people be, God WILL sort it out and we will all know who was right when we die. right.
YOu know what, I thought that warrenites didn't use or even allowed to watch TV, let alone, use the internet? Wow isn't that a new thing, what lie will the Media say now, or the ex-plygs for that matter.
Ya know, because all us "pligs" are so reclusive and can't interact with the rest of the world, and we're so illiterate because we didn't finish the 1st grade (I'm being fascias if you didn't catch on.)
So, which is is pligs or plygs?
My spell-checker chokes on both of them.
As I stated in a previous thread - I don't really care how many women the husbands sleep with - I care how many *adolescent* women the husbands sleep with.
Does that make sense?
And of course, as discussed before, the issues that spring from that concern me (lost boys, welfare).
If an adult chooses to follow a religion and gets screwed out of a family, home and community - so be it. Kids suffering is another matter - so the lifestyle, only in the way that it is detrimental to kids, concerns me.
However, many families lead lifestyles that are detrimental to kids, and that's a part of being an adult. You can be hurtful to your children in a very *legal* fashion (thus, nothing can be done), however, when you are hurtful to your children in an illegal fashion (adolescent marriage, kicking boys out, failure to provide) then there is something that CAN and SHOULD be done.
This is NOT just an FLDS issue (hurtful behavior to children), however, some of the particulary hurtful behaviors are endemic to the FLDS, and thus have received attention.
I swear we would leave you all alone if adolescent marriage and failure to provide for children (lost boys, welfare) were not so widespread in your community.
CLEARLY your religion can be practiced WITHOUT that sort of behavior.
Whatever OTS, if you want to continue to hurt kids - don't whine and cry when you're asked to pay the consequences.
You make absolutely no sense.
Adolescent arranged marriage is abuse.
Not taking care of underage children is abuse.
Mugwump:
There in the middle of your American Legal History lecture, you said that someone should "present evidence before a court to prove his evidence".
Not in America, we don't.
Where you coming from, Mugwump?
It ain't America.
Street your mind is what has been abused. If you had to stop talking about anything you didn't know anything about the silence would be deafening.
Jesus said, "My yoke is easy, and my burden light."
I think the government has strayed so far from honesty, that it is a mericle if any one gets a fair trail. I think that if the money was taken out of the court system, there may be honest American law again. Until then, enjoy the war. Who of you really know the truth. How many of you voted for war. Who, even tries to live the law of Christ today?
And you can read in the Book of Morman, and it says that after the wicked are dead, they shall cry unto God to bury them. Who then can call upon God to protect them? Who will lay down their sword? War is a terrible thing. For the rightous and the wicked. Arguing over his law is sensless. It is written, "Every knee shall bend, and every toung confess, he is the Christ.
All of this religious debate reminds me of the arguments used in the Jeffs vs Stubbs case in 1987. In the end, the religious context will not hold water in a court that is seperating church and state.
By the way, wasn't the weather nice in Colorado City last week?
Since Bill Montgomery took up a position on Colorado City, I have taken up a new hobby. I think its time Warren Jeffs and Mr. Beswick meet for a subject of mutual interest. I can certainly make the drive again if Warren is willing or meet him where he isn't!
Jay Beswick
The sexualization of children should never be done in the name of religion. It's abuse. You can GUESS how old the virgin mary was when she was betrothed - but that's about it. You don't know how old she was when she was married.
once again, to get back on topic:
Mr. Wisen told someone close to me that he was informed that Lyle Jeffs was now directing affairs in Colirado CIty and WIll Timpson was not in town any longer. I would appreciate any confirmation of this.
OTS et al take your annoying little whiney fight to another blog.
Every topic on this blog has been hijacked by OTS and Mugwump fightting and scripture slinging. Who is going to be the adult here???
Don't you realize you two will never change anyones mind?
OTS is just baiting the hook and you guys swallow it every time
by the way, atari and mib thanks for imputting something of value
IS THERE ANYTHING FOR RENT CURRENTLY IN COLORADO CITY OR HILDALE? COMMERCIAL, SMALL ENOUGH TO OPERATE A OFFICE? WOULD I RENT FROM WHOM? BRUCE WISAN or L. JEFFS?
Oh by the way if tax liens are offered per the below, I might pick out the house I want early! I kind of like Truman's, its the colonial look and right across the street from the UEP community garden. I have friends with LA County Sheriff who would put up the other taxes to own a piece of the red desert.
Not paying the taxes, does not mean Warren wins, but it opens the door on whom else could live amongst the faithful. Warren is making it to easy, by playing the stubborn child!
epress;
Jeffs reportedly says no to taxes
COLORADO CITY, Ariz. - According to published reports, including the Salt Lake Tribune, Warren Jeffs, the leader of the FLDS Church, has allegedly instructed his followers to stop paying their property taxes. That includes his followers in Colorado City, Ariz. and Hildale, Utah., who pay into the United Effort Plan.
According to Ron Nicholson, the Mohave County Assessor, the United Effort Plan is one of the largest taxpayers in Mohave County, and he has never before experienced a problem with the citizens of Colorado City.
"If that thing went to lien, you can be sure there would be all kinds of investors up there, who basically are in the business of buying these tax things from clear across the country," said Nicholson. "And they would be buying that in a heartbeat, because they would figure somewhere down the road, somebody is going to pay off on those, and even if they didn't pay off, they would end up owning."
He said he isn't scheduled to visit Colorado City for another nine months. Jeffs has reportedly told his followers not to pay taxes to the UEP this year, and when the taxman comes calling to "answer them nothing." Nicholson said in all probability the UEP court assigned fiduciary would pay the tax bill, even if the citizens there refused to contribute this year.
Jay - if you rent a place there - I'm coming to visit!
Jay, where is the property in Apple Valley that I hear is going to be sold for taxes?
My sister lives there and I wouldn't mind owning land closer to my family still in .
Mugwump:
sorry if I sounded too harsh, your devotion and zeal for your beliefs is admirable
ots: You seem to know who I am,so I assume we went to ALta Academy around the same time period. You are way off the deep end, buddy or buddess (is that a word?) Anyone who wasn't one of the elite in the group knew that Warren had a king complex all those yerars ago. If you are for real, then identify yourself, or are you following Warren by hiding behind empty words and threats?
pheew, I feel better
I'll ask Wisan aqbout which parcels were being considered. I know there was some fear that the land of the faithful would be sold out from underneath them and I heard it mentioned that there was land in AV that might be an option toward paying the taxes without threatening those occupied.
In Warren's brilliance, he may open the door to having gentiles instead of apostates living between them.
JB
Ogre what year did you go to Alta?
Where specifically is this area in relationship to the town?
Alta Academy was the name of the private school located in Rulon Jeffs home in Salt Lake City.
It existed there from the mid seventies till the late 90's.
members of the group sent there children there and the teachers were all volunteers from the group.
I attended through the 80's
How old are you? How old is warren? Did you attend as classmates?
ATAR_I asked how old is Warren Jeffs? Per the FBI he was born 03 December 1955 See FBI website for more: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/aug2005/augjeffs.htm
It sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying.
onthestreet said...
GOOD! Mission Accomplished. For I, Warren Jeffs, am the lord of flies, the servant of the devil, for I yearn for my servant onthestreet to join me with the gentlemen in the cell block shower down Huntsville, Texas way.
ROFLMAO here in Texas at you!
Atar
Street is following his master's edict and 'answering nothing', only his nothing is in words.
Warren is 16 years older than I. He was the principal of the school and was my high school algebra, computer science, geography, and history teacher.
In the years I attended Alta Academy, I was pretty much shunned simply because I had the wrong name. The social caste system was something disgusting to behold, and still is among the polygamists today.
If a man had pretty daughters or lots of tithing money to donate, then he was held in high esteem by the leaders. However, the leaders also had their own inner circle.
Warren has managed to create his own inner circle, but probably distrusts everyone in it. I think Warren shows signs of pranoid schizophrenia.
He enjoyed movies sports and fun when I attended school. I remember in paticular, he brought in the movie "Silverado" for us to watch in place of a paticulary boring geography test. We also went on long hikes 6 or 8 times a year and a cookout once a year. He seems to have gone off the deep end for sure.
A man can only fall from as high as he has climbed. It is becuase of warren's previous intelligence and knowlege that he is able to become so darkened and evil. He has used his gifts of intelligence to persue evil.
Faithful
Who is doing the bribing?
What kind of bribe?
Question Street.... If Faithful Woman and her husband gave Warren "humble repentance" would Warren take them back?
Onewaystreet
He would take you back. How else could you be properly "adjusted."
Mugwump:)
I think his quorum is the many voices in his head.
Oh listen!! there is someone talking to him from the other room!
OTS
Bring Warren forth so we may worship him!
MIB
One of the former boys from the Creek was up by the grainery's and tavern behind U. Louis's now Lyle Jeffs house. And Lyle Jeffs came up and faced him down and asked who he was. He told him and asked who he was. He was told "none of your business." (It is just a one way street to them, they can ask info but have none to give) He was told he was trespassing on private property. This x-creeker told Lyle that he was. That he had helped dig the tavern and build this house and pave these roads...and what had Lyle Jeffs or his father or brothers done to build this town? Lyle replied "God and his prophet fear no man." I can understand that God doesn't, but I know there is a certain man that is running scared.
The x-creeker said "There is room enough for all the people that ever lived here to come back, except Warren Jeffs and Isaac Jeffs. There is no room for them.
And we are coming back to the land of our birth, we will not give up.
Four years ago, Lyle Jeffs was in SLC with a large family, their power was turned off, they had no food, they were desperate. They were still going to Saturday projects (esp for the meals) and were donating their time and efforts and business to the building up of the "Work". Their circumstances were made known and a host of men went over and helped fix their washer and get their power on and help get some food.
Now he has taken over a "stolen" house. He never had to work or pay a penny on. He now lives in the lap of luxury on the work and dime of all the hard working families in CC. And can kick out who he pleases and give direction on things he has no business doing. ANd THEY love him for it.
What is wrong with this picture?
What's wrong with that picture? It appears to be tainted by the person painting it. What's your point,RHI?
Let me see if I got it straight.....Lyle and family were at one time poor. Yes?
Lyle and family donated time to a certain charity or church group. Yes?
People continue to give freely of their time and money to Lyle and family. Yes?
Lyle's friends learned of his circumstances and pooled resources to help him out. Yes?
Now Lyle is living a more abundant existence in a home he didn't actually BUILD. Yes?
Lyle is surrounded by people who love him. Yes?
And if what you say is true, he is in a position of spiritual leadership for these people. Right?
And they obviously love him.
What's your point?
What's the matter, RHI, are you having a touch of indigestion?
I can say that I am not reconciled.
That Louis Barlow would walk away from his beautiful family and children that were only 2, 4, 6 years old and tell his wives to do the prophets will. To give up a house that we had just got done building with him. For him. To have his family split up and not even be able to talk to them.
To have Lyle Jeffs, a nobody from SLC come in an take over and use the resources and time and effort of the hard working "slaves" to make a castle. To have him live off of the people and for them to let him direct their lives. Why do people give up their freedom so easily?
Uncle Bygnal moved into Truman Barlow's house.
Nate Jessop moved into Nephi's house.
Jake Barlow moved into Dan's house.
Lyle Jeffs moved into U. Louis's
Ralph Johnson moved into U. Alma's
Did I miss something? The only immorality and raping and plundering is being done by Warren Jeffs on a unsuspecting people.
didn't the Barlow boys make there own bed, so to speak?
first of all they were the ringleaders behind the power grab in the 80's, kicking people out of ther homes and filing lawsuit after lawsuit.
They got caught in their own web of lies and weren't able to fight against the monster they created.
Do you believe in Karma???
Rumor....Louis is dead.
Only God knows what was going on in his head. When you are taught to be faithful no matter what, what can you expect. Reasoning goes out the door.
All, I know when judgement day comes Warren Jeffs, and it will come, Warren and all involved will be accountable for Louis' death.
the only giant in Warren is his own ego.
The Lord dosen't talk to Warren any more than he talks to Osama
The voices Warren hears aren't from God.
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