Sunday, August 28, 2005

Back to School time.

Now that it is time for public school to start again is the school in CC open for business? What have been the results of the investigation? Will the current school board still govern? Was fraudulent misuse of funds proven to be true?

131 comments:

Faithful Woman said...

School started here last Monday. Still remains to be seen where all the pieces will fall.

fttc said...

Who is running the district? Is Alvin and crew still on the job?

Anonymous said...

Aunt Flora is still running the district.

Anonymous said...

Is warren going to blame Flora for all the mismangement?

Anonymous said...

I hope so, she doesn't have enough to do in her life....so she has to mind everybody's business. Thank goodness I only knew her in the past life.

Anonymous said...

Oh, I would not give Flora that much credit.
She only feeds off others.
She has no substance.
The state has always ran this school.
I think they continue to do so.

Anonymous said...

Right now, Flora is guarding her prisioners of war, so the truth will not be told. We know it any-how. The ones in Pheonix. In those court documets they say, that they took these children because they wore cloths and lived in Colorado City. WE Will not forget. Twice what this state did to our people.

Anonymous said...

First to our Mothers and then to the daughters.

Anonymous said...

Reply to Anon 8/29/2005 11:13 PM

Oh, I would not give Flora that much credit.
She only feeds off others.
She has no substance.
The state has always ran this school.
I think they continue to do so.


Actually, the only "state" that has been running this school district is the "state of school district malfescence, theft and disception"

Anonymous said...

I agree, that is why Arizona School people need to get there act together, and do not punish the teachers for others dishonesty. This school was run by the state district. It always has been. I am sorry if it does not sit well in your pocket, that others do not uphold lies. If there was fraude and deciet in this school district, the state knew it a long time ago. Yes, last year, the state illegaly with-held the teachers pay. This government was trying to destroy our people. They were trying to break us. I say, "Flora, is no more than wind in the leaves." The People on her show, are the ones who these states were using to push their adjenda. They have all the records. They know who the theifs are. They know who the liers are. They know who the ones are that would sell their children to Hell. I say the parents are responsible, for the undermining of there children. Why are these boys lost, and given drugs and bribes, to testify against our Prophet. I say, LET UTAH AND ARIZONA BECOME AMERICAN STATES AND I WOULD COMPLAIN NO MORE, BUT TO ONLY UPHOLD PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DESTROY US, THAT IS NOT LAW. I SAY I HAVE JOINED FLORA'S CAMPAIN TO BOYCOTT UTAH AND ARIZONA. I DO THIS ON MY KNEE'S WITH MY GOD. FLORA IS WIND IN THE LEAVES. GOD MADE THE WIND IN THE LEAVES. HE CONTROLES ALL UPON THE EARTH. OH GOD, DELIVER US FROM FLORA AND UTAH AND ARIZONA. SEND FORTH YOUR WIND AND YOUR HAIL. SEND FORTH YOUR JUST JUDGMENT AND DELIVER OUR PEOPLE FROM A WICKED AND CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. THIS IS MY PRAYER. YOU SEE, IN SOME WAYS FLORA HAS GOOD IDEAS, BUT SHE ONLY SUCKS. LET HER CHEW ON A WIND STORM AHILE, AND THE GOVERNMENT TOO.

Anonymous said...

PAINTED PRIMER
LOOK
LOOK, LOOK.
THERE IS A SPECIAL CHURCH BOOK.
IN IT'S PAGES ARE HISTORY.
SOMETHING AMERICA HAS NEVER SEEN.
RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR ONE CHURCH, AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE.
I WONDER IF THE CATHLICS WILL BE SO PRIVLEDGED.
tO HAVE A CERTIAN CHURCH BOOK PRINTED FOR THERE LAW.
I WONDER IF THE BIBLE THUMPERS WOULD TOLLERATE SUCH GENOROSITY.
I WONDER IF THE ROMAN CATHLIC CHURCH, WOULD ALLOW THE STATE TO ENTER IT IN THERE PEW AS EVIDENCE. AND THE MORMAN CHURCH THEMSELFS, WOULD THEY ALLOW SUCH TREATMENT FROM THERE LAW, AS THEY HAVE INFLICTED ON US. WE READ THE SAME BOOK AS THE MORMAN CHURCH. YET, THEY PUT OUT A PRIMER FOR US. I WONDER WHAT THEY ARE PRIMING FOR, MORE MEMBERS IN THEIR CHURCH? WOULD THAT LOOK GOOD. WE ARE THE CHURCH. WE HELD TO THE PRINCIPLES. YOU HOLD TO PRIMERS. PRETTY, PAINTED, POLITACLE, PARTY, PUNY, PRIMERS. AND THE LAW PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER, THE LAW.

Anonymous said...

Shucks Flora, I was hoping your boycott would have worked a little better. Then we could have had our freedoms. There is nothing we need that is not upon our desert. The Utah AND Arizona, primed law, is not on our need book. WE NEED CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. WE NEED NO TRAITORS AMONG US.

fttc said...

So is Flora still telling Alvin what to do or is someone else her puppet now?

Anonymous said...

aS FAR AS i CAN FIGURE, AND remember this is just my opinion, Sam, Steven, Dick, Willard, Marvin, are all on Flora's string. Was it not written, that in the last days, the Devil will Florish. I know Flora is a girl and all, and Her name fits the profile. I just did not realize this devil would be a women. And since all lies and deciet are coming from the same source, I say, I have seen the Devil Florish. He, or she only has claim upon their own. There-fore if a person is inclined to listen to a devil and Florish with her, we have a few blossoms of deciet. The records are public. I know not this Alvin. He has not harmed me. What do you think, Jay Beswick? Is Alvin Flora's puppet too?

Anonymous said...

And would it not be interesting since some people have taken it upon themselves to say that it is the public who should judge us: Would it not be interesting if the public were handed the truth? I say it would be interesting to see, the un-edited films. I say it would be interesting to see, the unedited court records. I mean the part he Judge seals, and The part the Lawers had, they would not allow into there courts. i say it would be intesting to know the Truth. I know the truth in my case. Most of it. They thought I was a retard and hid nothing from me. I say, with God there is no Statue of limitations. He holds people responsible who were not in my church as well as the ones inside my church. I have no tollerance for either. And the freinds I have and had. I found out who my friends were, the day I was put in that mental hospital. I will tell you who they were: Only Warren Jeffs. He delivered me, from a filthy government and liers in the creek. He did defend me. He and he olone did give life back to me. As I speak a lady is on her way from Arizona to take me to St. George to submitt an illegal court document into a Utah Judge, so they can declare it invalid, Yet, when I went into court saterday, Utah lawers informed me, That I xould not use this court document in a Utah court. I do not really know how stupid they think I am, BUT ARIZONIA IS THE ONE WHO HELPED KIDNAP MY CHILDREN. I WAS KIDNAPED OUT OF MY BED. I WAS THROWN INTO A LOCK DOWN WARD, AND GIVEN DRUGS. I NEVER SIGNED A PAPER BEFORE THIS DAY. I WAS NEVER SUPEONED INTO THE COURT THAT TOOK MY CHILDREN. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS COURT CASE UNTIL, I WAS TOLD BY THE CHILDREN IN THE FREEDONIA PARK. I SAY UTAH, STUFF YOUR LAW UP YOUR NOSE. I SAY ARIZONA I AM NOT AS STUPID AS YOU THINK. I SAY I KNOW WHO MY FREINDS ARE. THERE IS ONLY ONE MAN WHO DID DEFEND ME. HE DID NOT PICK UP A STACK OF PAPERS BUILT UPON A MANS LIES. HE READ MY LETTERS. HE LISTENED TO ME. TO HIM AND TEXAS I WAS A HUMAN BEING. I SAY UTAH AND ARIZONA, STUFF IT UP YORU NOSE. I WOULD TELL YOU TO GO TO HELL, BUT AFTER BEING ON YOUR STREETS I THINK YOU ARE ALREADY THERE. CARRY ON, FLORA. CONTNINUE WITH YOUR BOYCOTT. WE HAVE ALL WE NEED UPON OUR DESERT. AND MY FRIENDS? WE WILL BUILD A CITY. THERE ARE STILL TWO TRAITORS IN MY CITY WHO ARE HIDING BEHIND RELIGION TO DO THERE EVIL. CARRY ON FLORA, I NEED AMERICAN LAW. NOT PUPPET FLORATITED MOVIE LAW.

Anonymous said...

Flora is gracious and kind, and adds charm to the District Office.

Soon, the District will be "of the Second Ward, by the Second Ward, and for the Second Ward".

But not soon enough.

Anonymous said...

yES, AND i WELCOME YOU TO HAVE IT. IT IS YOUR Students. Then Flora will not be able to use your students and records to harrass us on her show. I think you should have your school. How-ever the school is not my issue, and I think they have the most encredible teachers. I thought that, that was your school. I guess if you disagree, who am I too.
I would also like to ask if any of you are aware, that Mohave only has the power to put women and children on the street. They do not have any other Juristition. All others are shipped to Jail, in kingman.

Anonymous said...

I say, I also have to continue to apoligise to Flora. Why? Because she was right about some things! WE DO NEED HONEST LAW. I AM GLAD YOU THINK SHE IS GRACIOUS AND KIND. What then did she do for you, besides seek our destruction. I see you also do not uphold the Constitution. Your SChool will be for the second warders, by the second warders. What about the other People in this area, who wish to attend a Public school? Do You discriminate? I think you are not a member of this school. The teachers and personell in this School are very good people. I hear that some of the students win honors down state.

Anonymous said...

And the only thing I will lose not to talk to Law inforcement is insults.

just wnted to be good said...

Yes there is fraudlent misuse. Because Alvin and the other "good" guys stayed after WJ told everyone to not be a part of public school. They were not in it for the children or the education. They were in it for the wrong reasons.

There is evidence of employee cell phone bills being paid. Paying for supplies that never ended up at CCUSD. Too many cars for school use that were used on the weekend and other projects.

Nothing has changed in the management yet...if Alvin and the rest of the yahoos would not let religion get in the way of the right thing to do...I think it would work out. Most of the teachers in St. George schools don't have to have children in their school. It is just a job. The prob is that the supervising positions are supporting WJ and the teachers are not. Big conflict.

CCUSD is one of the best small town schools that I have ever seen. The teachers care and will teach even without paychecks for the children.
Don't know of any other place that would happen.

Anonymous said...

I could not agree with yoiu more on this onw, about the teachers. They are the most encredible people. You are right. The school board put tons more work on them, and with-held there pay. Some times they came home with there eyes drooping so low, I wondered if they would go the next day. I asked one Teacher if she had ever missed a day. I thought she would have to call in sick. She said no. I was very impressed. I have never seen a more dedicated faithful teacher than this. The Personell have always treated me with dignaty and respect. I have no complaints about the School District. I only had one. Why did they Let a man like Dick work on there team, when there was tons of talk about him harrassing the school students, and Why was Steven barlow allowed to film a women who made a complaint about him bothering her children on the bus, and after Steven had her arrested, These children were put back on the Bus with this man. The school no longer has this man in there employ: So as I see, it: There is no problem with the school. NOW IF ANY OF YOU GOOD PEOPLE HAVE EVIDENCE OF THESE OTHER MEN, PERPETUATING FRAUDE UPON YOUR SCHOOL, I SUGGEST YOU GO TO THE LAW,AND NOT THE MEDIA. FLORA'S SHOW REALLY DOES NOT CUT IT. MAYBE THE LAW CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I HAVE NO FAITH IN LAW, BUT YOU GOOD PEOPLE COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I AM STILL WONDERING WHY A BOY UNDER STEVENS COUNSEL, SHOT HIMSELF. I WONDER IF HE TREATED HIM LIKE HE DID ME. AND I WOULD SAY, IF HE DID. I THINK WE ARE IN NEED OF SOME SERIOUSE LAW, PERSONELL. NOT THE JOKERS WHO RUN THE SHOW.

Anonymous said...

If the law, and a counseler can not protect people that are being abused, What kind of law have you? Why did this boy shoot himself? It would be interesting to see the un-edited show. How many more were part of this secret combination? How many more turned there back on the abused? How many times did another women run away from the man, who convicted me, and you turned your back on her. And Again, I speak only to the guilty. I speak not to the inacent. Who is interested in stopping abuse. I say abuse, in law is abuse too.

red rocks girl said...

is it a full moon out??? who let the crazies loose on the computer again?

Anonymous said...

Good one, Nintendo. I thought that this thread was for the school, not Flora.

Anonymous said...

I do not know nintendo, who let you loose? Did your mother give you permission to speak? And I would not know about the moon. I sleep at night.

Anonymous said...

Well, lets hear it for the School. That is the good, if you can report it. Like I said, if there is a crime, Flora's show does not quite cut it. It looks good and stirs up, sensationalism, but if there is fraude, bring out he evidence. That is what this crazy women says. And Flora only spoke a little truth. A crumb of truth. WE ARE IN NEED OF LAW. And not predudicial law.

Anonymous said...

Do you know what you critazisers, it would help to disolve this issue, if you did more than call people names. What is it you were picking on. What is it you disagreed with? Name calling helps nobody.

Anonymous said...

And you law people who are reading this, and you wonder at my actions, I say, i never had to prove any-thing they day they took her away. NOt a chance did you give me. Law with no representation. But the men who abused me, walk free every day. They did not have to prove any-thing either. Just a bill they had to pay. I think you may still hold the title of the money that they owe, and you all wonder what makes the lost upon your streets. Have you ever wondered what it would be like, to know your mother never loved you. and your father did as he did. Have you people who drive about, ever thought what put our children on the street? Law with out representation. I was never supeopned into that court, yet, every government agency never had to prove any thing and neithier did they. Just a report in Utah about abuse, and Arizona put me away. I never had to prove any thing that day, and neither did they. I never attended the court, that took my life away.

onthestreet said...

The injustices of man are but a trial of our faith. The Lord makes everything right.

Anonymous said...

How true, how true, street. How very true.

Anonymous said...

There is one thing worth all this: Uncle Warren. He said, God would take care of this case. This gevernment took a mother and convicted her. They never seen the women. They gave the men that abused her, all the rights. To quote the document: I had to be in the house hold of these people, gaurded by them at all times. The court never seen me. And I was my abusers, prisioner. I would not trade my Love For Uncle Warren for any thing. He did not teach me to hate the world, They showed me what they were. Law with out representation. I am in a safe place. If I am lucky, i will never see them again. With this filthy contract, they left a one year old child with an abusive man. His other wife ran away a thousand times. I do not wonder now, why she cries in her bedroom and tells the public that he does not abuse any more. Her children will be ok. They are like mine. They know Warren Jeffs. He can make all things right. God can stop the abuse of men. With him all things are right. Warren Jeffs is right. God will take care of this case.

Anonymous said...

And like Uncle Rulon did of Sam Barlow, I wash my hands of it. There is no blood upon my hands. I did every thing I knew, that was humanly possible, to protect my daughter.

Anonymous said...

The spectrum
tuesday
august 30, 2005
JUDGE DECLARED AMNESTY PERIOD
St. George----washington City Justice Court Judge Lee Bunnell declared an amnesty period during the month of september for people with outstanding warrants. Beginning Thursday, residents who have warrants will have the $70 failure-to-appear fee waived if the original citations are paid in full. There are approximately 700 outstanding warrants in Washington City. Those who do not contest traffic citations have 14 days to pay their fines. If unpaid, a warrant is issued for the violator's arrest.

onthestreet said...

Your point, in relation to this thread, or the entire blog?

polywatchin said...

Faithful Woman or anybody in CC: How many kids from Warren's following are going to public school?

Anonymous said...

Like I said, What we do is not your business. If there is abuse report it to the proper athority's. Other than that find some thing else for your sensationalisim. Our schools are not your business. Our church is not your business. and street, there was no point with the rest of this blog. except to the people who know the truth. The rest is wind in the leaves. And even what happened before is too. A new page, is opened.

Anonymous said...

And Frankly Utah, Knows what they did to me.

Anonymous said...

I think that this thread is really confusing because there seems to be 2 diffent "Flora's" that are getting intermingled.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the first "Flora" mentioned appears to have some high and influential polition with the Colorado City Unified School Distrct.

Then, it seems like someone is ranting and raving about a "show" involving another "Flora" whom I suspect is Flora Mae.

Because I just can't imagine a CCUSD "Flora" having her own TV show and I pretty much know that Flora Mae has nothing to do with the school district.

Can "someone in the know" please clarify this for me?
Thanks

Anonymous said...

I think some one is being a Joker. Of course Flora has nothing to do with the school district. Except, the filth she puts out on her show. Or who ever's show she happens to be lieing to. Some of it looks like great sarcasim. There is nothing here about the school district, but I think that was the point. Just the Joker of the show.

onthestreet said...

Oh, sorry Ruth: 8/30/2005 7:30 PM

I didn't know that was your post, but now it's clear why: Judges out there clearing criminals and criminalzing innocence, yes? That point is well taken.

Anonymous said...

Too many Flora's.

Not enough Fawns.

Faithful Woman said...

That is just tRuth ranting and raving. Flora has nothing to do with the school, she is just a convenient target for Ruth to slander. For Flora meaning so little to Ruth, she sure talkes about her a lot, and endowes her with super-natural power.

Ruth has found refuge with her uncle, who happens to be married to one of the school teachers. I hope that ruth doesn't wear out her welcome with them. They are nice people.

There are no children who support warren in the public school. If parents elect to send their children there, it is an open show of disclaiming warren.

polywatchin said...

Faithful Woman,
For home schooling, do the mothers follow a curriculum "program"? Is there a list of skills that need to be taught given out by the school system? Did you ever home school? If so, did you keep up with the public school?
Thanks for all your insight, you are one of the few who can help us understand.

rumor-has-it said...

when the edict was given for the children to be taken out of the public schools...private schools were immediately created and all the families had to pay tuition. Some were $500 to $900 per student. This was a big step for many families and many could not pay it. So they tried to homeschool. The private schools used whatever mother or older children that could volunteer their time to teach or help.

Many had never taught before and had a month to prepare and get books. At that point, the public school knew that they would not have very many students and declared a surplus property sale.

The hardest hit was the handicapped and the preschool. There was no money and no provisions for them.

Next was all the "teachers". They were expected to teach without pay in the private schools. It was a big career change for many. You can't feed a family of 20 on volunteering.

Every one rallyed around and did the best they could in the situation. Some teachers who decided they were not going to quit the public school, were called apostate immediately and shunned. Deloy Bateman was the best science teacher I have ever met. And he was one of the ones that decided he couldn't just volunteer. So overnight his family was on the outside.

Many of the children that I knew that were considered homeschooled had a really hard time because the mother was pulled in so many directions with so many children, that they couldn't take the individual time to follow thru. Many of the children couldn't read, write or spell. One of the girls running the local flower shop was almost 20 and had handwriting/spelling of a third grader.

Out of all the "lost" boys that have taken tests, not one of them has scored over a sixth grade reading level.

If that tells you anything of the private schools.

I think there is a creekulum put together by the Alta Academy. It is alot of hog wash with some of the basics. There are no frills or nonsense. Just bare bones. And priesthood history is the biggest part of it. (WJ version)

As you can tell, I am not impressed. I think the public school was a really good thing. I graduated as one of the last highschool classes and I am grateful for that. At least I didn't have to go thru the Alta Academy brainwash and try to deprogram myself..any more than I am anyway.

If the parents had took the same interest then, that they do now in their childrens education. It would have been the highest parent interest school around. Now, there are just a lot of children that really lost out on the time in their life for a education. Now it is 100X harder for them. But it can still be done.

onthestreet said...

Try reverberating the theory or splendor of that chamber into one, and unite the ten in the one. Then you have the education and the career of the gods.

Anonymous said...

Is Mr. Bateman still teaching at the CC high school?

A friend want's to know.

Thanks

polywatchin said...

Rumor has it,
Thanks. That gives me a picture of what these moms have been asked to do = the impossible! Cook, clean, babies, plus teach several grades of school? And leap buildings at a single bound. Is there problems with mother suicides?

Been There, Done That said...

Not yet. Just severe depression. My husband wanted me to do all that PLUS write all my children's books (couldn't have gentile books!) and write our own music to sing! Not to mention the fact that I was responsible for all the bills in the family and was trying to hold down two jobs at the same time. Oh, and at the same time I was supposed to "keep sweet" and smile and be holy and pure. I almost had a breakdown.

It is just getting worse for the women too because their husbands are under extreme pressure to be holy and they don't even know if or when they do something wrong to be kicked out, so naturally a lot of that stress filters down to the wives, and unfortunately but inevitably, to the children.

onthestreet said...

Every man, woman, and child, KNOWS when they do wrong. It is the spark of the diety in us all, that small voice, as the "Cedar" of Lebonon, that tells us what is right when a choice is placed before us.

"Choose The Right". Then the Holy Spirit Guides and blesses everything that pertains to you.

Anonymous said...

If you hadn't been rebellious and submitted to "20 hour days and prayed for strength to work harder", these demands put upon you would have been easy.

(Written in sarcasm)

Anonymous said...

It sounds like you people know nothing about what you are talking about. I think that you all must have been lost or something. The schools are not at fault. I think that if these boys are so un-educated, it is because they put there time into drugs and not schooling. I think that it is good that maybe they can do some-thing useful.
And faithful women, I do not know you and I am glad I do not. You spread lies about what you know nothing about.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like you people know nothing about what you say. I think you must have been lost. The schools are not at fault. I think that if these boys are so uneducated, it is because they put there time into other things. I think that it is good, they can put there time into schooling. And Faithful Women, I think you spread lies about what you know nothing about.

Anonymous said...

Oh, ye of little faith; how oft would I have gathered you, and you would not.
And can you not lay down the sword, even in a disaster? The words of the Book Of Morman, are being fulfilled. With every word. With every thing. The writing is on the wall. The events are happining.
"Walking in darkness at noon day."
"With eyes that do not see, or ears that do not hear."
Oh ye, of little faith; how oft would I have gathered you, but ye, would not.
And devils know and tremble. In the time of Christ, they hung him on the cross. He was hung so, you and I could be reserected. All will come up before him, to make an accounting. It is the midnight seconds, before the second coming of Christ. He will come in great glory in the Heavens. Every knee shall bend and every tounge confess that he is the Christ. No man can take away his glory. Only the more rightouse will be left upon the earth. Reading this page, confirms the truth of what I was tought. Your words speak hate, and dissension. Who then does live the words of Christ? Who then does live the words of Christ?

Anonymous said...

And as to, "been there done that", I shall pray for you. You say you worked very hard. Remember this tho, it is not the work, that saves a person. It is the intent. It is the works of the heart. God does uphold the faithful. He does judge by what a person would have done. I think it is in attitude too. I say, it would have been fun to have written songs. I say, pray and be grateful. I think the fault was in men. God does give streanth. He does give hope. He does give encouragement. He does help you through any trials. I shall pray for you. I say tho, it is not the fault of our Leader. I say, God does uphold the faithful. He does test a person; First comes the trail of our faith, then comes the blessing. I say, I shall pray for you.

Anonymous said...

Reply to
By Anonymous, at 9/04/2005 7:00 AM

It sounds like you people know nothing about what you are talking about. I think that you all must have been lost or something. The schools are not at fault. I think that if these boys are so un-educated, it is because they put there time into drugs and not schooling. I think that it is good that maybe they can do some-thing useful.
And faithful women, I do not know you and I am glad I do not. You spread lies about what you know nothing about.


The primary reason why these boys are so uneducated is because they are put to work at such a young age and used as child labor slaves instead of being allowed to get an education.

onthestreet said...

No slavery in a good work-ethic good moral standards, joyful service, and the solemn assembly, except the slavery of the mind of all who oppose it.

Anonymous said...

And I say you know not what you speak about. If these boys would have been at work, why are they lost upon America's streets. I say if they had been tought to work, or had encouraged themselfs to work, they would have had jobs. Why then are they lost? I say go ahead; Teach these boys something productive. I say it is good you seek to do this thing, but it is not the fault of the schools. A person may be the reason they are, but it is there fault they stay that way. It is not the fault of the church, or the fault of the Schools. You also have your lost upon your streets. I say gather up all. Educate all. Blame only compounds the problem. Blame is an excuse to improve. And yes, I am preaching to myself too.

Anonymous said...

Blame is an excuse to not improve.

Been There, Done That said...

Anonymous (Ruth?) said: I think the fault was in men.

I couldn't agree more. The emphasis being on MEN. Most specifically, starting at the top, with Warren, and filtering on down through the rest of them.

Anonymous said...

All men are born with a weakness, and a talent. What is it that you choose to use?

Anonymous said...

Street: "Every man, woman, and child, KNOWS when they do wrong. It is the spark of the diety in us all, that small voice, as the "Cedar" of Lebonon, that tells us what is right when a choice is placed before us"

but not true in the practices of the FLDS
the FLDS believes their women (or should I say children) are not capable of choosing who or when they are to wed.
it is chosen for them.
no matter how true they are to the holy spirit
they are considered inferior, unworthy of choice

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Faithful Woman said...

polywatchin

rumor-has-it did a good job of describing the homeschooling. Some of the schools had better resources than others.
The first one I helped out in was a very small three family afair and I only had five pre-school students, besides my other two smaller children (babies). I miscarried durring that time, cause I got up and "took it easy", just going to school.

After that we joined one of the larger "priesthood schools" where we got a better level of academics, but the children were so loaded down with Book of Mormon readings, two chapters a day, and analizing, that the other things were a struggle too. Even the teacher was having a hard time of doing two to three manditory hours of "warrenisum" and that left no time for history and science.
I will say that the head of the school we were going to did try to be nice about telling us we couldn't go there any more, it was at the time just before a new year started and he said that they didn't have enough room and we should home school. I'm no away qualified to teach school and I know it, so with a great deal of relief, we started public school.

My 5th grader hated reading because of all the pressure, and the only acceptible reading was church literature. When we went to public school, she took 5th grade over and found out that she LOVES to read. I feel that we are getting a much better education in the public school, not to mention that my kids don't have to sit through an hour of brainwashing every morning at the meeting house before they even get to school.

Anonymous said...

just as Street said,
child understand the difference between right and wrong
it's the basis of common sense
they don't need it grilled into them every day
it will only make them numb

education for expanding minds
not to stifle them

keep sweet eldorado
stg

furnace said...

Anon 9/04/05 7:00

Regarding drugs and lost boys--this happens in any society that breaks up families.

onthestreet said...

There you go. All have sinned, and you can only blame a lack of desire to learn (whether God's word or man's word), on the parents. You can't blame it on the mere presence or study of God's word (whether Bible of Book of Mormon), for such Mormons become Morons.

onthestreet said...

The young brides usually choose the right when a choice is placed before them. Only the wicked would turn marriage and the right to life into something ugly or inferior, and make themselves such.

Faithful Woman said...

Some choice, marry this guy or be forever shamed.

There used to be choice, but not under warren.

Anonymous said...

The FLD must be wicked then.

Anonymous said...

FLDS

onthestreet said...

There you go, you HAD TO have the "S" in there, to emphasize SAINTS, after saying they were wicked. That's it, they're saints.
The emphasis is well placed, like FLDS placement marriages are well placed. Your emphasis on "Saints" was no mistake.

Anonymous said...

So, Mr. Bible Scholar:

Where in the Bible (or any other Standard Work, or in any apocryphal writing or in any ancient manuscript) did God command a Prophet and a people to have all their marriages arranged by a Prophet?

And while you're at it, look up where He ever commanded a Prophet and a people to re-arrange families?

Anonymous said...

Reply to Faithful Woman

I'm no away qualified to teach school and I know it, so with a great deal of relief, we started public school.

My 5th grader hated reading because of all the pressure, and the only acceptible reading was church literature. When we went to public school, she took 5th grade over and found out that she LOVES to read. I feel that we are getting a much better education in the public school, not to mention that my kids don't have to sit through an hour of brainwashing every morning at the meeting house before they even get to school.


Faithful, I think you have done the most generous and loving thing for your children that a mother can do. You are assuring them a good education through the public schools.

If you want to spend a lot of time teaching them scripture at home, then do it. But allowing them to go to a good school and learn reading, writing, math, science, history, etc. is such a gift for your children.

Kudos to you, Faithful Woman

Anonymous said...

Reply to - Anonymous, at 9/04/2005 12:53 PM

And I say you know not what you speak about. If these boys would have been at work, why are they lost upon America's streets. I say if they had been tought to work, or had encouraged themselfs to work, they would have had jobs. Why then are they lost? I say go ahead; Teach these boys something productive. I say it is good you seek to do this thing, but it is not the fault of the schools. A person may be the reason they are, but it is there fault they stay that way. It is not the fault of the church, or the fault of the Schools. You also have your lost upon your streets. I say gather up all. Educate all. Blame only compounds the problem. Blame is an excuse to improve. And yes, I am preaching to myself too.

These boys are considered "lost" because they have been kicked out of their home and their community and have become "lost" to their family.

At one time, they were at work (instead of being at school), but you can thank Warren the Evil for casting them out into the streets. This is when they became "lost".

And, you are right that is is not the fault of the schools that they are "lost". It is the fault of the Priesthood and the head Prophet Evildoer, Warren the Terrible.

I am not blaming anyone, I am just telling how it is. Warren and the Priesthood have cast out these boys - these children.

How can a mother or a father of these children allow this to happen? How can they live with themselves? They must know that allowing this to happen was wrong.

I am not blaming the parents. I just don't understand how they could cast out their own child.

Where is the love for their own flesh and blood?

Children deserve better

onthestreet said...

9/06/2005 5:23 PM

Genesis 24:37: My master put me under oath, saying: 'You shall not procure a wife for my son.
52: When Abraham's servant heard their answer, he bowed to the ground ...
www.usccb.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis24.htm

onthestreet said...

9/06/2005 5:23 PM

Genesis 24:37: My master put me under oath, saying: 'You shall not procure a wife for my son.
52: When Abraham's servant heard their answer, he bowed to the ground ...
www.usccb.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis24.htm

Faithful Woman said...

Adding to scripture street?

Don't you know that is an abomination before the Lord?

onthestreet said...

Where do I add to scripture? See the trick: Accuse without evidence.

ATAR_i said...

when don't you?

onthestreet said...

There you go. SO TRUE. I always add scripture. That is very observant of you. Daily revelation is required of any who will endure to the end, and that is added scripture. When it agrees with the canon scripture, then you neither "add nor take away from my word". You add and take away from its truths when YOU FAIL TO ADD truth to truth, light to light.

ATAR_i said...

I think the scriptures are enough as is. And, that revelation is not something that is 'added to scripture' but the understanding of scripture.

onthestreet said...

"Where there is no vision (no current, daily revelation), THE PEOPLE PERISH. That certainly happened in New Orleans, and now more storms, disease, famine, war, homelessness, and death begin to cover the land. The Lord will sweep it clean, as he has decreed!

ATAR_i said...

That doesn't make sense.

onthestreet said...

That's right. No Vision.

Men In Black said...

What do you think, Jay Beswick? Is Alvin Flora's puppet too?

8/30/2005 9:11 AM

I think its about to get interesting, thats what I really think!

So shall we talk of Alvin now? Did he marry any of his students who were not yet 18? Former students, not yet 18 at the time? Is he more righteous than his brothers? A few years ago they were pretty much the others equal. But you know, there is always a fall guy, Alvin is faithful enough to be that guy.

Keep watching the news, the best is yet to come.

I think its about time for another press conference, Flora, Debbie and Jay, but whom else? GOOGLE search; August 2002 Zion Polygamy Beswick and try to imagine some where of a higher visibility than either Zion National Park or the Arizona State Capital steps, the Capital was October of 2002. If you don't think I can gather a crowd, ask Ross or Dave Doran in Texas, I seem to remember doing both press releases and a few others not yet admitted too.

What else have the faithful not admitted to? One can't feel guilty for exposing crimes, even those sanctioned and disguised beneath religious freedom. If there was any righteousness to defend, Warren would agree to meet with me and offer such a defense, but maybe he's afraid of the charges that might follow?

Any defense other than an appearance is just useless chatter by small people and small minds. If Warren is your elected mouthpiece, given Mayor Dan was never replaced, then let him go public and speak. He can bring Ron Parker and we can meet in California at a busy Mall, but stop making excuses if you believe he is God's mouth piece on this earth.

Jay Beswick

ATAR_i said...

Thanks Jay - I can hardly wait.

And OTS some people just can't understand a shitzophrenic mind. So yeah - I can't understand you. But it isn't because I lack something, it's because you say nothing.

Men In Black said...

OTS Time to "Fish or Cut Bait", you want to meet, lets meet! Phoenix, Mesa, Tempe? The library? You pick the spot, this endless whining and posturing is getting old. You need to discuss serious issues with a qualified P.E.T. (Psychological Evaluation Team)intervention team, because in effect your suggestions of Mary, her age and relationship in this reality and time violate the law.
Selective enforcement and chosing which laws suit your needs or belief work in a fantasy world, but applied in this world set you up as a predator.

If Maricopa county won't do it, a citizen's arrest might? Clearly your sexual preference toward sexual contact with 12 or 13 year olds are well documented here. I certainly down loaded the dialog and after this comment, I would suspect LE will do the same, to appear as concerned as I.

Let Flora and I bring you in safely, as you could be a threat to yourself or others! Try rereading everything you have posted in the archives here and ponder what a "shrink" might "deduce" from your logic
1. To reach (a conclusion) by reasoning.
2. To infer from a general principle; reason deductively
3. To trace the origin or derivation of.
4. deduce - conclude by reasoning; in logic

Based on your statements that are volumous here, what would a reasonable mind conclude?

So lets just meet and get it over with!

MIB
Beswick

onthestreet said...

Sorry, unmarried, unassociated with any children, and uninterested in your violence. Your assumptions bespeak your own crimes.

onthestreet said...

Or would that be "Beswick" your own crimes. Now that's more to the point.

just wanted to be good said...

Do you realize that this fear and damnation has been taught for many, many years? Just listening to U. Louis's sermons before his father died, He was preaching the one man doctrine and how the prophet can do no wrong.

I think that U. Roy blessed Winston Blackmore and Ivan Nielson. (Acknowledged what they already had) and saying this I realize that he didn't bless U. Fred or U. Louis with the same. (because they didn't have it).

If you have ever listened to Winston's sermons they are more about Jesus and love and that is what U. Roy taught too.

onthestreet said...

Jesus-freaks who wave peace signs and defile themselves have no such love, nor Uncle Roy.

onthestreet said...

I should know, I was there when Winston was discovered, found out!!!

Anonymous said...

C'mon, onthestreet, give us the goods. What was "found out"?

ATAR_i said...

I don't understand what you mean by 'found out' that doesn't make sense.

b.i. gasole' said...

yo, streetie;

So were you part of the lynch mob of uppity ups, that tried to hang Winston, for a list of trumped up charges. Notice how you, and all your compatriates/false wittenesses, are all now, ON THE STREET, together. While he continues on, with the work he was ORDAINED to do.

ATAR_i said...

How long ago was it that people tried to lynch Winston? Is that metaphorical or did they actually attempt to string him up?

b.i. gasole' said...

I was speaking metaphoricaly. Warren just tried to "handle him " the way he has handled so many others, that knew more about what was really going on with his(warren's) takeover bid, than he(warren) wanted them to know.

onthestreet said...

Alarmists always cry "lynch" and "takeover" while they themselves go about striving to lynch and take over. Most who were handled by Warren were aspiring men, who know nothing about his ordination by God Himself.

Anonymous said...

If his ordination was by God himself, why did Warren act like he had nothing and that his father was conducting things through him as a counsellor (when we are taught that the death of a prophet breaks up the first presidency).

Then, after getting a couple of Wive's tales to support him in his claim, suddenly he was the prophet that he was unaware of before then.

mugwump said...

atar_i

I find many of the exchanges to be out of the ordinary and therefore can't even begin to make comment. These ideas are indeed strange and in no way follow a parallel to the teaching of the Christ I learned of as a boy and have then taught for nearly half a century.

fttc said...

Mugwump

I see a big difference between your purpose here and Atar's. From all of her posts I think she is really trying to understand the belief system of the fundamentalist movement and warren's ideology. With all due respect I think your interest here is to convert us all from Mormonism. The problem you are running into is that there really aren't many of us wanting to convert. Your arguments with Street are really pointless as he doesn't reflect much of doctrine within Mormonism.

I appreciate Atar's questions and input very much as she usually challenges us on the level of our beliefs and answers give insight into what those beliefs are. If warrens followers are constantly confronted with reallity there is a greater chance they will see him for what he is.

You come from a direction that often is as strange to us as we are to you and there is not much profit from a discussion on that level. The problem isn't that we don't believe the bible; we just interpret it differently. You've probably noticed we are not the only one's with our own interpretation as you find many different 'Christian' churches in the earth.

You have stated several times that it is the abuse of the children you are concerned with and I applaud you for that. It is my concern as well. I don't believe however that Mormonism and it's teachings have to rejected in toto to end the abuse. You have said yourself you have known Mormons who you knew to be very decent people. It really is the teachings of warren and his ilk that have brought about the abuse and not Mormonism per se.

If you want to help the people still in the FLDS you really need to understand what they believe and then challenge the details of that belief to show them how absurd it is. Rejecting their entire religion, lifestyle and foundation just makes them feel persecuted and will only strengthen their resolve.

mugwump said...

fttc:

Thank you for your candid observation. Yes, I would rejoice if my testemony of Jesus Christ led to the conversion of all Mormons. I will not deny that fact. Being a witness to your people via e-mail affords an avenue lost to me otherwise due to time and distance involved.

With the exception of ots, I have found that a great number of you seem to be open to exposure of other teachings, as you have found yourself victimized by the self proclaimed prophte WJ.

As a general rule, ots seems to ramble, quoting from ??? nothing I have ever seen. I don't read other languages with any degree of expertise. I do know a few words in French, German, Italian, and Spanish, but not well enough to use them without taking them in their entirety from an otherwise respectable source, and the meaning of the word translated for me. I really believe that the fellow (ots) off balance and spouts his tirade out of frustration.

In the future, I shall make an effort to present any opposing view, in reference to the Bible, KJV, 1611, if that is the only translation acceptable.

Thank you for calling my unintentional error to my attention.

fttc said...

Speaking for myself.

You say I am open to other teachings because of my being victimized by warren. That is not the case here. JS plainly taught that we acknowlege truth where ever it is found. I am comfortable that all JS taught is in accordance with the scroptures. You cannot fit it into your interpretation of them and that is your right from God and your country.

I was never a victim of wj. I could see from his beginning where he was wrong. I was taught better than to follow him and his perverted gospel. I have family members (brothers, sisters, mothers) who have been though and that is my interest here. I cannot bear to see their children grow up without any hope in the future. That is the only way I can describe it.

I grew up under the Priesthood direction and I was never in a condition where I didn't have a bright outlook into the future. My beliefs have not changed and my outlook has not.

onthestreet said...

fttc: "I was NEVER a victim of Warren Jeffs", you say. Well put. NOBODY is ever a victim of Uncle Warren. He blesses when we have the capacity to be blessed, and curses when we have the capacity to be cursed. We victimize ourselves, and then he merely give you your freedom, leaving you unvictimized by him. So well put.

MUGWUMP: "Open to exposure to other teachings" is right on. That would certainly be EXPOSURE, as in EX-POSE, to pose outside of the safety and benefit of God's Work. When you are open to that, you are open to the same curses suffered by the world.

NONNY Said (9/12/2005 7:40 AM):
If his ordination was by God himself, why did Warren act like he had nothing and that his father was conducting things through him as a counsellor (when we are taught that the death of a prophet breaks up the first presidency).
Then, after getting a couple of Wive's tales to support him in his claim, suddenly he was the prophet that he was unaware of before then.

CURIOUS Reply: It is because before Uncle Rulon passed, Warren DIDN'T have the keys, Rulon did. Pretty basic. When God comes to a man directly, personally, He doesn't publish it in any earthly newspaper. He doesn't hold a press-conference. Hell, He doesn't even gather a small dinner-party. It is one-on-one, totally invisible, and instead of trying to convince anyone of this fact, it can just remain invisible.

mugwump said...

fttc:

I apologize if you think I was singling you out as a victim of WJ. My inclusion was meant as a general reference to the insane and irrational ravings of ots and the absolute total selfish ambition of WJ. The intent was to be general and not specific toward an individual.

fttc said...

Mugwump

No apology needed.:) I just wanted to clarify.

Street

I said I was not a victim, I did not say there are no victims of warren. I know there have been.

I have had personal interactions with warren that showed me he is predjudiced and unfair. He does not rule according to the Spirit. He rules according to his agenda. Using the database he has collected of secretly recorded conversations and other info he has collected and filed on various people. It is a form of personal blackmail.

onthestreet said...

He does not rule according to YOUR spirit, which is dark and forelorn. Yes, he rules by an agenda, given by the Lord to do His work for him of cleaning up a people. Again, well put, sister. If you are innocent, then there is nothing to charge you with (what you call "blackmail"). The Lord has commanded the Prophets to "Watch diligently", and to "Cut off what offends thee".

You all confirm continually that he is a true prophet.

fttc said...

Agenda given by the Lord through modern recording technology and the databases on the internet. Some revelation.

Also much of what he has collected comes from the hearsay of others, so no one knows what is in the file warren has on them. It is this factor that creates the fear in people. If they knew what was in their files they would at least know which rumor he kicked them out for. Few if any have been told what they did wrong specifically.

Anonymous said...

OTS
What happened? You answered everyone's question but mine. Just what was discovered, found out? Inquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous said...

Atari

some jealous men got together and wrote up a 15 page list of complaints about Winston. that list is what got him demoted from bishop and eventually kicked out alltogether. that is the lynching that fttc was talking about.

There were other instances where conversation was overheard by "gentiles" that group of men mentioned that Winston should be blood attoned and it was reported to law enforcement I think. Since then Winston has government security when he visits this area.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, so finally you agree that his "agenda is given by the Lord", as you just said. You're learning. The Lord is the creator and inventor of all things. He inspires and uses men as tools to bring forth his purpose, which is the purification of a people. If you are innocent, you have no need to "fear" what "he has collected" on you, or by what means.Yet, you fear, which proceeds from guilt. You don't have to be told what you did wrong. All men know what they do wrong, and the Lord sifts the people accordingly, without calling a committee or taking a poll. God's ways are not man's ways.

NONNY (9/13/2005 11:21 AM): I am not here to laundry-list a man's crimes. He knows what he did, and what he does today. His problem within the Church has been resolved. Now he can kick and scream without, but that is all.

TAR: He will atone for his own crimes. He doesn't have security, if there is "a consumption decreed upon all nations".

onthestreet said...

The first paragraph was to fttc (9/13/2005 11:02 AM).

mugwump said...

He belaboreth a point and never reacheth it.

onthestreet said...

A consumption decreed looks like a terminal point reached, does it not? But yes, you're right. I do belabor. Whether the points reach YOU is strictly up to you.

fttc said...

Uh... thanks for the answer street, but you already said that. Twice. You have no defense.

ATAR_i said...

What the heck is nonny - it sounds like a really cheesy name for a child, every time I see it I kind of choke a bit of whatever I've eaten in the last few hours.

onthestreet said...

Mission accomplished: To help you choke up what you are poisoning yourself with, and to wake you up. Nonny is to nonymous what tarry is to rhinoserous.

Anonymous said...

Good job George. But you lied about your weopons of mass instruction.

onthestreet said...

"Good", and a "Lie"? You consider lies good!

mugwump said...

You forget that no point you make is of the least concern to me. I am not of you, nor wj.

onthestreet said...

See! You confirm the searing of your conscience, the hardness of your heart, and the grossness of your morals, rejecting all truth no matter where it is found.

"We accept all truth, regardless of where it is found", even in your hell, from the depths of hell to the heights of glory.

mugwump said...

I am not dependent upon your verification of my qualities nor my quantities based upon either your or WJ's much quashed self-styled prophesy.

According to God's word, neither Jeffs nor you are even aware of your lost condition.

onthestreet said...

Ooops, you're slipping there. God's Word covers all creation. So, according to WHAT WORD? Your provide nothing for people to even know what you're talking about. What Word PROVES one's lost condition? See? Don't be so muggy about it.

mugwump said...

God's Word, you ninny, I certainly wouldn't accept either yours or Warren's.

God's Word: Genesis 1:3 And God spoke and said, "Let there be light" and there was light.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Examine God's divine purpose and the unrepenant heart of man:

Romans 1:16-32

Except for redemption of mankind, why was Jesus' death on the cross necessary? Why was the Word of God offered as atonement for man's sin?

Salvation is of the Lord.

If you read anything in th Bible, but the concordance and passages you want to take out of context. Put aside the works of J.S. and his successors, you would discover such truth that you could not deny without denying the saving power of the Word, Jesus Christ.

For there is no other name given under heaven where by we must be saved. (see if you can find this one) look it up for yourself. The search is good for your hungry soul.

onthestreet said...

9/15/2005 12:08 PM:

Okay Muggy, let everyone see if THIS PROVES by God’s word, that we are lost (9/14/2005 8:42 PM):

First you provide Genesis 1:3:“Let there be light”. SO WHAT? How does that prove who is lost? It actually PROVES that YOU are lost, because you are LOST at to how it fit. You only make a quote, without showing how it proves anything, except that it PROVES how the FLDS folks are SAVED.

How so (see, you have to explain it to people): Light is energy, in fact it is spiritual energy. What greater spiritual energy has the world seen in the past year alone, than a religious community building up an entire spiritual city FROM SAGE. Then the light shone, and the world began to see! And now, the world is looking through a glass darkly, and few there be that find it, or perceive the light. That doesn’t mean it’s not there. Just take a look. That should be fairly easy for you, kiddo, since it’s planted right smack in your own back yard. So much for Genesis 1:3 for now (Oh, there’s a whole lot more).

John 1: 1: “The Word was God.” SO WHAT! How does that PROVE who is lost? It actually PROVES that YOU are lost, because instead of loving the Word and aligning your comments with it, you continually criticize it and contradict it. In fact, this scripture also PROVES that the FLDS faithful are SAVED.

How so (see, when you are presuming to prove how a scripture applies, you have to explain to people, not just quote the scripture): The FLDS folks are known and often referred to by government and media alike as “ultraconservative adherents to scripture”. In fact, so much so that it makes many people SICK. That scripture, my friend, IS THE WORD, AND THE PROPHETS. If the Word is God, it is also the Prophets who are like God. So much for John 1: 1 for now (Oh, believe me, there is MUCH more).

Okay, you want to try another? You even get to pick which one, and you picked Romans 1:16-32. Hell, you don’t even tell people what the Word is on this one. I’ll do it for you, fokes. I will take the first two verses and explain it for you, so as to not belabor the entire chapter verse by verse:

16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Muggy, I guess you refused to give the quote because it starts right out of the shute speaking of being ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. See, the FLDS is SO unashamed of it that they are willing to suffer with Christ the hatred and dishonor and exile of the whole world for the excellency of His Gospel, including his commandment to multiply and replenish the earth, his example in taking many wives himself (he is called THE GROOM at the marriage in Cana, and was the very Husband settling the domestic disputes between Mary and Martha. Yet, that Gospel you are ASHAMED OF, and very MUGGY I might add as to what the truth really is.

Shall we continue. “It is the power of God unto salvation TO EVERYONE THAT BELIEVETH, not for unbelief. So if the FLDS folks live it daily (not just on Sunday), who is LOST, and who is FOUND? Also, the FLDS IS FEW in comparison to all of America. The Word: “And FEW there be that find it”.

17. Revealed FROM FAITH TO FAITH: Yet what does Muggy want? Just one giant leap onto the throne of God and the presence of His Christ, without faith to faith, gate to gate, station to station, glory to glory.

You violate it ALL my friend. You say: “Examine God's divine purpose and the unrepenant heart of man”. Precisely so. That is what you have got to do, or just stay Muggy in this life, and the life to come. Yes, all mankind will be redeemed, BUT TO WHAT?
“In my house are many mansions”.

You say:“Put aside Joseph Smith”. You wish. That is the putting aside of one of the mansions and links that form the circuit for the light to shine, which indeed you have done, “counting a chief cornerstone for naught”, and “a stone that the workers have rejected”.

See, Christ is THE ONLY ONE by whom men may be saved, for he is the whole house. But you reject the doors and windows and walls and furniture represented by his prophets and angels on high. Do you know YHVH. There you have Elohim, Jehovah, Michael, and Joseph, ALL IN ONE NAME. Figure that one out. It will do you good, if you hunger and thirst after righteousness, for righteousness sake.

mugwump said...

"Let there be light" is in reference to creation. It was issued because darkness was upon the earth and God decided that first thing that needed to hapen was to place light on the problem.

The rest of your observation is just as convoluted and doesn't warrant comment.

onthestreet said...

Just as convoluted as what, your previous paragraph about light? That comment of yours is very true. The problem was creation, and casting light is the casting of elements: Spirit, Abyss, Ether, Air, Fire, Water, Earth, seven days. They are all components of light, earth being the most gross of the elements, and all physical creation.

onthestreet said...

When you cast upon the physical, you see the physical. When you cast upon the waters, what you see is like a mirage. When you cast upon fire, it is consumed but not destroyed. When you cast upon the air, it is even more invisible. The ether is the incense of acceptance, and spirit is heaven, the farthest from the pale of man.

mugwump said...

Scripture references in my next to last post:

Genesis 1:3

John 1:1

Romans 1: 16-32

The immediate previous post was reference to Genesis 1:3, and YOU KNOW IT.

Be sure, the truth will find you out. When you tell a lie, you have to immediately tell another in order to keep the first lie proped up. So you go through life telling lie after lie after lie and never once begin the search for truth because your whole life is spent in an attempt to hide your first lie. Some Life!!!

So you stand at the judgement with no truth, only lies, and you have told them so often that they have become your truth.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh but, that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Let not your hearts be troubled or afraid, in my father's house there are many dwelling places. I go there to prepare a place for your. And if I go and prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you unto myself. That where I am, there ye may be also.--------I AM the Way, the Truth and the Light. No man cometh to the father but by me. (imperfectly quoted from mugwump's memory)

onthestreet said...

Alot of rambling there, Mugs, and what alot of people are calling
"circular reasoning". You need to be more precise and relate any scripture you pose to an exact issue at hand. Otherwise, you just ramble, see?

mugwump said...

Circumlocution was learned from the master. Queenie street.

Thou art he of whom I speaketh.

Have you caught the train yet? I guess not, maybe by this time tomorrow.

Circle the wagons! Looney toon is back!

Hep, Tye-Tye, Hep

onthestreet said...

Why do you call me Master?