Friday, August 26, 2005

A jump on activity among FLDS

Tonight as I write this post the FLDS are having one of their special meetings for the young men. It is in one of those buildings East of the South Auditorium of the old public school. Ross saw them and took some pictures. Oh boy, they did not like that! He was in a little golf cart and there were guys running up and down the road in pickups acting like they were going to run him over and one of the "security" guys followed him all the way home.

Yesterday there was another big meeting up to Uncle Fred's house, er, compound. There were 100 vehicles up there in the security fence and even tried to intimidate the Mohave County Investigator who was checking into the goings on.

It is possible that they are moving Truman Barlow's ladies out of the house too.

Any other activety lets report. Break the secret combinations.

105 comments:

ogre said...
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ogre said...

WOuld those pictures be able to be posted online??
were any authorities called from Utah?

onthestreet said...

Quick, call the Police, get in the FBI, call in the Army and Marines, contact the United Nations, and for crying out loud get Lassy in here. If somehere here can also contact Superman and Spiderman, Batman and Robin, and possible 007 and the entire Star-Trek Fleet. Let's go, boys. We're on a MISSION!

Anonymous said...

And what ever you do, start with exposing your own secret combinations. Last I knew haveing meetings was not illegal, oh It is if you live in the creek, and some paroninoid soul sits looking for trouble. I would be greatly disturbed myself, if Ross CHATWIN was taking pitchers of me, or any-thing to do with me. He is one of those men, who was stalking a girl, and his wife seen nothing wrong with it, because she liked the girl and wanted her in her family. I would get a little excited if Ross was taking pitchers of me too.....SO BY ALL MEANS END THE SECRET COMBINATIONS

just wanted to be good said...

You can start by using your name so that you aren't part of the "nonymouses" so we can say the same about you.

Anonymous said...

MightyAnonyMouse to the rescue.

Anonymous said...

wELL, IT IS LIKE THIS: If every one took it upon them-selvs to stop every secret combination, that they know about, then soon there would be none. But, to say a church meeting is a secret combintation, sounds like you need to start with your own. And when a man that stalked a girl starts taking pitchers, then it is time to do more than gossip. Lets stop these kind of things. That is a good plan. No matter who I am, Lets stop the stalking, the photo's, The exploiting on telivision, and IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE AND A CASE, STOP THE SECRET COMBINATIONS. There are a lot of people willing to help. ARe you one of them? Or are you somebody that sits on your fence looking at your neighbor, so that you never see what is in your own house?

Anonymous said...

And Mighty Mouse, there is a great need for mice. and most definiately Mighty ones. And the greatest of all are the ones who lean heaviest on God. But take note, and sing too: Mice and cats can get along too. Just do not tell any people, they may stand on a chair and squeel.

onthestreet said...

...especially if you're a stalking mouse taking pictures.

Anonymous said...

I like you street. I laugh at you at times. There have been a lot of good things happening. A lot of Good things.

Anonymous said...

And faithful women, a lot of people can be faithful. They can be faithful to evil, and faithful to good. They can be faithful to cute and wiggles. They can be faithful to honesty or dishonesty. They can be faithful to snooping and gossip. They can be faithful to God and his principles. They can be faithful to snooping on your neighbors or tending there own chores. What are you faithful too?

ATAR_i said...

I think we all know the intent of faithful womans nickname. And, she's told us as much several times. Are you forgetful or new person who asks the question?

furnace said...

If every religion were shut down because someone felt it was false, wouldn't we have the greatest civil war imaginable?

fttc said...

Furnace

An interesting thought. The simple answer is yes. The follow-up question: Is there a religion actually being shut down?

In America we have the right by the Constitution to worship as we please; but as soon as that religion tramples on the rights of others there are other provisions in the Constitution that protect those trampled on.

I don't think the authorities were even interested in CC until the abuses began to affect the surrounding communities. This is one of the biggest complaints of the Flora crowd. They say the authorities should have done something years ago.

I don't say the past abuses should not have been dealt with according to the law. They should have been. But I know the law was hoping things would self destruct so they would not be portrayed as "shutting down a religion". Of course this is where they are now anyway!

If it was the purpose of the AGs to shut down the FLDS they could have done much more to that end by now. They have stated that it is the children, not adults, being married and the dilinquents they are concerned with.

From your past postings I think you understand this. I had to put my two bits in.

Anonymous said...

Jay Beswick, I am in need of your sevicses again. We are already in a Cival war. Our land is bing sold to pay the Debt of Sam Barlow. He is not a Morman, or a F.L.D.S. He is a crimnal of the sickest kind. Sam Barlow had access to all the molesters in our comunity. He is the ex-cop that could put a women away, with a word. These convicted Child molesters walked america's street, why the women were drugged and put in mental institutions. Some were put in the grave. If you do not trust my word, look at the public records on file in the saint Goerge court house. I think that any-one who buys this land, upholds abuse of the grossest kind. These Lawers know when they will get there money. It is not because of our dishonesty.

Anonymous said...

And FAITHFUL WOMEN, IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF ABUSE, GET YOUR FAITHFUL BU----TOO THE DISTRICT ATTORNY AND STOP THIS SECRET COMBINATIONS. GOSSIP AND FLORA SHOWS DON'T QUITE CUT IT IN A COURT OF LAW. ROSS AND LORI HAVE ALREADY PUBLICLY ADDMITED THERE CRIME, ON FLORA'S SHOW. AND JUSTIFIED IT. I DON'T HANKER TO PEEPING TOMS, OR STALKERS, AND JUSTIFYING IT, BECAUSE YOU HATE RELIGION, IS NO MORE EXCUSE THAN TO SAY YOU DO IT BECAUSE OF RELIGION. I SAY AGAIN, YOU FAITHFUL WONDERFUL PEOPLE. WHAT ARE YOU FAITHFUL TOO. I STAND BY THE RIGHT TO WORSHIP GOD, AND STOP ABUSE OF THE GROSSEST KIND.

Anonymous said...

And Jay Beswick, what the hell is Flora doing with all the money she scammed off the public to help these poor people who were already stripped of there dignity by this Ex, cop and Lawers who want the money, to be paid to them for putting these women out. I say us women are not as stupid as you think. And I have not met many men, tho there are a few, who could walk in our shoes. I would talk about balls and games at this point, but being a women that is one thing I do not have to worry about. Well, games I do know.

Anonymous said...

And I will tell you this, the story of the mighty mouse was no jest. Mice are a creatation of God. He does not take kindly to them crawling up a girls dress, any more than he likes these more inteligent creations, creeping up a girls skirt. And I say that constitutes, the matter of men and mice and keeps them in the catigory of RAT. But bait, will take care of that. I think Some one wrote a book on men and mice. I think a little rat, or a mouse, can cause a lot of trouble, but a little light from the heavens and knowledge puts things into perspetive. And humans squeel over things mice would nibble on. What about it Jay, are you on my team, lets take the rest privatly if you are.

Anonymous said...

And as to the matter of a polygamy primer, if they wanted to look like they were not persicuting religion, why a special little book explaining their perspetive of religion, when it was honest law we needed. WE had our church. WE had the money. WE had our schools. WE had our fire department. We had our clinic. WE had the cops. We had the Utah district attorney. We had social services and mental health. WE even had that f----hospital in flagstaf. What we needed was a little back-bone to go with the pretty looking faces in the law department. And to be delivered from the b----that owed the lawers for our abuse, and defending them.... Get it from Flora. America paid her to take advantage of the ones who were victums. Where the Hell is your money. Flora took it.

Anonymous said...

And I say, any-one who touches that land, is a coward and a greedy B-----And a suporter of abuse.

Anonymous said...

And self distruct? You been sleeping with Flora too?

Anonymous said...

And one other thing, why target the ones living the law in honor, in our church, but the filthy preditor's victums are destroyed. THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO DOUBT WE ARE BEING PERSICUTED FOR OUR RELIGION.

Anonymous said...

aND YOU ALL HAVE ACESS TO THE RECORDS. And Shock upon shock, I actually agree with a tiny drip of what Flora said, THE LAW NEEDS TO PICK UP THE TAB. mY gOD SITS IN THE HIGHER COURT. wITH HIM, THERE IS NOT STATUE OF LIMITATIONS.

Anonymous said...

And lets put This thing in perspective: Here is an article in the Spectrum. Now the Spectrum is not a united states Paper. It is a Utah state paper: This state makes laws aginst the constitution and Then they put this out: A NEW LAW
bECAUSE MANY ASPECTS OF PORNOGRAPHY ARE PROTECTED BY THE FIRST ADMENDMENT AND CANNOT BE BANNED, mATHESON AND HIS SUPPORTERS IN CONGRESS INTEND TO MAKE IT HARDER FOT THE CONTENT TO REACH CHILDREN. tHE LEGISLATION PROPOSES A REQUIREMENT FOR PORNOGRAPHIC SITES TO USE SOFTWARE THAT VERIFIES USERS ARE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OLD BEFORE DISPLAYING ANY PORNOGRAPHIC CONTENT. mATHESON SAID SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY CURRENTLY IS USED FOR ONLINE tOBACCO SALES. THIS IS THE SUNDY SPECTRUM. THE LAST WEEK OF AUGUST. nOW HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT. THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS MEN TO MAKE RULES TO BE EIGHTEEN BEFORE THEY BECOME CHILD MOLESTERS AND HANG UP GROSS PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL, AND TALK ABOUT IT ON THE WEB. tO POROTECT THESE CHILDREN, YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST BE EIGHTEEN YEARS OLD. aND BE ABLE TO LEGALLY TRADE DRUGS. GEE, AND YOU THOUGHT WE WERE WEIRD. GIVE US THE SAME CURTISOY. aT LEAST MAKE THESE MEN, OH THEY WERE, I WAS THE CHILD. THEY WERE. I JUST DID NOT KNOW IT. I THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE WERE BORN WITH INTELIGENCE AND BY THE TIME THEY WERE TWENTY, THEY HAD CEASED TO HAVE THE MATTER, IN THEIR ANATOMY CALLED BRAIN, CELLS. sO MUCH FOR SPECTRUM REPORTING. lETS WAIT MY GOOD FOLKS: UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE CONSTITUTION: LETS WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE EIGHTEEN, BEFORE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PORTRAY YOUR PREDITORY HABITS ON SCOCIETY. BUT, BY HELL, DON'T THINK ABOUT GOD. YOU MAY LOOK WEIRD. AND THE CONSTITUTION DOES ONLY PROTECT FREEDOMS OF PEOPLE IF THEY SIT IN CHURCH. WHAT A PAPER. I AM GLAD IT IS NOT MINE. I DO NOT EVEN BUY IT. I DO NOT HAVE TO TO READ IT. IT IS THE TRASH ON THE STREET.

onthestreet said...

Look out when you wake up Ruth. She'll prance like a lioness.

Anonymous said...

tHERE WAS A MISPRINT IN MY WORDS, I GUESS YOU CAN EXCUSE MY WEAKNESS FOR LACK OF EDUCATION. I DID MEAN TO SAY, "YOU ARE ONLY PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION IN THIS STATE, IF YOU DO NOT SIT IN A CERTIAN CHURCH." aND I WAS TOLD BY A CERTIAN LAW PERSON, THAT PUBLIC OPINION WAS AGAINST US. tALK ABOUT GOOD OLD LAW. I WILL HOLD TO THE CONSTITUTION. UNDER ITS LAW, I HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY NO TO DRUGS. aND PREDITAORS.

ATAR_i said...

So, back to the cars - and the original post. Anyone have any photos to post?

Anyone have any news?

ATAR_i said...

So, back to the cars - and the original post. Anyone have any photos to post?

Anyone have any news?

Anonymous said...

And I hope you never get any more photo's. WE are not a curcus. We are not the Zoo. Go home and watch the horror movies they put on your telivision's for your children to watch. Maybe they will make law's restricting parents from incorperating filth into there children's minds until they are eighteen too. At least take out the murder and the swear-words, like they used to make movies. NOw days they only have the x x x x x xx x rated ones to baby sit there children. Then when you get done, watching these film's nobody will be hurt, but you would have had your sensationalisim, and if your children keep you up all night from nightmares, well you can call it some sycotic desiese and get them hooked on drugs, before they are an adult too. And good ol' american law. And remeber the spelling. do not forget the spelling. what ever you do, do not forget the spelling. nothing is worse than the spelling.

onthestreet said...

Let's see: "RUTH": T-R-U-T-H
Did I spell that right?

Anonymous said...

Oh, I fowgot to watch Flowas mefea film. I neeeded to seeif, i was in teh first gwade or the fird gwade. I fink I should check the fististikes. I could be in the fird gwade at this tiem. I mwen. I mean time. Oh, Look techa, I can spell time. Gee, I like this world school. I learn a lot. I learn law in utah, is who hates who the most, and who has the most money to insult the worst. Gee, fird gwade is a good pwace to be. Like so....Betty bought a bit of bitter butter. Betty bought a bit of better butter. Betty bought a bit of butter. and put it with the bitter butter, to make the bitter butter better. Say that as fast as you can. Gee, teacher, I am in sith grade.
This is an essay paper. This paper is written on the subject of personality.
We all have personality. WE all have the spark of individulisam.
We all have that thing with us, that makes us like us, and no one else. Yet, we are all alike in some persanality perspectives.
Hi, teach. what's up? Please Plan perfectly, my personality. I want to stay in school today. I think that you get the drift.

Here is a breaking news flash, New Orleans is being hit by a great big storm. Life is going on. Let us put our energy's together, and see if we can help these people, and do some-thing useful, and leave others property alone. And if these people who are looking to steal our land, at the stupid excuse, that they did not care, until our children were on your streets, I would say shmutt. You speak filth. What do you supose we would do, if you took our land. Where doi you supose we would go? Oh, maybe you were one of the ones hoping that they would bring there tanks in and shoot us all, like they did the people in Wako. And the bombing of the twin towers. Or the rubby ridge assasinations. If they could take our city, your country would have been completly dismantled. I think that that is what that means when a person goes against the constitution. If they make laws to undo human rights, explain what is left. Do not wait to be on the street or in your own jails before you get out of your houses and look at something besides T.V. This government is suposed to be the entity of the people, not the people being oppresed by the government, because you can not pay more for an illegal tax. How many of you have even read the constitution and the bill of rights. Fore score and seven years ago, our father's brought forth on this continent a new nation......With liberty and justace for all. Course they took the land away from the indians and said, that they had found a new land, but maybe that was because there own country put them here and tried to make them pay tax with out representation. And they paid a lot less in tax then. I say it is work and working the land that feeds a person. God gave us the land. No-one has a right to put a price on it. And God allowed the constitution to rule the land because he know the weaknesses of man. He gave the earth to all people. And they are angry and fight over stuff. I say, good gentlemen. I say Ladies, We are not winnig this war. Why do you think we are not? Why do you think we are not winning. And a hurricane is coming. I think you will have an oppertunity to do some-thing besides fight over som-ones property you have no right to touch, and this government needs to take care of the Abuse cases. And keep the peace. Then we will not need cops.

Anonymous said...

And frankly T R U T H can be spoken in any language, in any culture, and by any person of any color.

Anonymous said...

And rainbows in the sky. T R U T H

Anonymous said...

I will tell you something about Ruth, since some-one may be curiouse. Ruth was named after her Grandmother. Her grandFathers name was Warren. Her grandmother was a Twin. Ruth and Rose. Add a tea to Ruth and you have truth. you could lay a pretty lace cloth, and drink in engish style. Ruth and Warren. They helped settle short creek. She was one of the first school teachers. Ruth Walker Black. Her father was Charles Middlemas Walker. His father was Charles L. Walker. Charles L. Walker wrote hymns for the morman church. He came from england. I am a fifth generation of faithful fundamental mormans. Charles L. Walker helped give to us the right to worship freely upon american soil. "Lead kindy Lord." I think he can sing beautifuly, too.

Amanda said...

Anonymous at 10:25 pm

You have made yourself a circus by allowing your children to be molested and by following a man that is only out for himself. I could care less if you are one of one hundred wives to your husband. That is absolutely none of my business or concern. It's when children are raped and married off, and when a man claims to be a prophet and steals peoples' money for his own richness and sends young boys on their way so he can have more wives. This has nothing to do with horror in movies or anything you stated. Just reading your post shows that you were not even give the proper education to spell. Don't you think that you not getting a proper education helps the men that say they are "prophets"? Keeping you uneducated gives them the upper hand because you are only educated with what they want you to know. So, for someone that has obviously lived within the walls of a tightly watched compound (and that is tightly watched from the inside), you should not be so hostile to the outsiders. We, as a society, unlike your society, are against child abuse. We do not overlook it. We know what's right from wrong. And, that is why someone has stepped in and is watching you. Your group molests children, evicts the ones that don't allow themselves to be molested and your own prophet married his father's wives when he passed away. Now, who do you think has the better morals? At least if anyone does let their children watch scary movies on TV, then know it's ON TV. And it's not real life that your dad is going to come in and sexually abuse you, or that you will wake up when you are 13 or 14 and will be married off to someone that is twice your age.

Think about that for a bit.

Anonymous said...

And I say, go into the recordds. read them for yourself. You know nothing about what you are talking about. Go out on the streets. ask these lost boys why they are lost. Ask them, with out the Utah media show. Look at the records. This is public records. You know nothing about me. You know nothing about this. Just a bit of cleaverly cut media fancy foot work. Ask to see the un-edited parts. I buried three girls. I watched them die in my arms. There is a reason why I want this stopped, but stopping a church, does not quite cut taking care of abuse. And nobody better touch my daughter. Not you. NOt the filthy dogs hanging around our city waiting for a peice, cause it is only religion that is illegal, becase there is a Utah law that allows people to be married at sixteen. And hores have no accountability, and neightier does these other things that men do. That is rampent in your cities. Jay Beswick had the films. They put a girl away, after me, Because I walked in on her father with her on his lap. On this tape, she said she is afraid of her father. Yet, the state can not prosicute, for lack of evidence. Do you know how many girls this man has. This girl is in a safe place. She was never in trouble. She was sweet always. She was smart and inteligent. NOw tell me, How much spelling you would remember, If this girl was you? Yet, she is brilliant. I say again, Get off your butt. Look around at some-thing besides a t.v. Critazisim does not quiet cut it in court either. Why could the District attorney do what they did to me? And I say again, Dr. Smith was a good Doctor. She was from New york City. AND WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE ME, AND WHAT DO YOU ReALLY KnOW THAT WE TEACH IN OUR CHURCH, AND WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PERSICUTE. hAVING VEIWS ARE A LOT DIFFERET THAN PERSICUTING. i SAY, jOSEPH SAID, "hE WOULD GIVE THE NEGRO'S THERE OWN COUNTRY AND LEAVE THEM ALONE" I have heard critazism for this. Yet, these People were taken from their own country and sold as Slaves. He has a Right to speak as he did. At any rate, he did speak. And as to the records, they are in the Utah court house. Why really was these women put out. I say stop the abuse, and end the religiouse persicutions. Spelling does not make a person a crimnal. And as to the Wako thing and the twin towers, do not take my word for it. Watch the media clips. I watched this. I was in Texas. This man started from the top of the building. He said, that they got on the phone and they were told to stay in the building. They did go down, and pull people out. He did go back in, and Pull other people out. Then the second plane hit. The emergancy personell entered the building. The place exploded like a top. And the Plumb of smoke was some-thing I hope i never see again. Now, can you honestly day that some one can fly over our air space, and not be detected? And if The buildings collapsed like they said, why did this man have time to Pull people out, before the building collapsed. That does not make sense to me, and I am just a so called "retard from the creek" Watch the film with out the sound. I say Judge not that you be not Judged. We are all in this war. Why could these women be put away, like they were? I say Is there something good you can do? I am fighting for the life of a six year old girl, who was handed over to an abuser. And nobody had better of defiled her.

Amanda said...

First, your post goes from one thing to the other and it's hard to understand. Secondly, you are getting upset at the outside world for things that have happened in your towns that we don't control. I don't persecute you for believing what ever you believe. Really it is none of my business. But, it becomes the outside world's business when children are being hurt and molested. That is when someone has to step in. And ,even if there is a law in Utah that states a girl can marry at 16, does that mean she WANTS to be married at 16 to someone three times her age? Aren't the girls kicked out if they don't marry as the "prophet" has said they should marry. First, a 16 year old is still a child. And a child should be raised to know how to make their own decisions. And if you raise them right and teach them properly then your girls should be able to choose their husbands with your good morals that you have taught them.

You're talking to someone who was abused as a child. And, you're right, some things never happen to the bad people for it because lack of evidence. I personally have experienced this myself.

But you were ranting and raving about us dirty people on the outside. We are not all as you have been taught. And to be honest, I don't want your land. Maybe someone else does, but I do know that your town probably would have been left alone if girls had not said they were molested, and if boys had not also claimed the same thing to have happened ON YOUR LAND.

Again, I don't want your land and I don't care whether you allow your children to watch TV, play sports (which is a lot of fun, I must say), read books and get educated, any of those things if it is supposedly against your religion. Although I have to say they are missing out on some fun stuff that is not in anyway bad. But when it comes to children being hurt I do care.

No child should ever have to bare the shame and guilt associated with abuse.

I only care about the children.

Faithful Woman said...

To Anon 12:54

How dare you use my Granfather James Warren Black's name to justify warren the fowel!?

My Grandfather had no use for smooth talking traitors like that man. He was a quiet, humble man who loved his family and was strong enough to keep them in tact.

YOU, Ruth, know nothing about my Grandfather!

Amanda said...

And one more thing..your land is up for grabs because people were abusing the system and taking money for their own profit. Why doesn't your so called "prophet" come out of hiding and fight for your land that will be given away soon? Seems he is the one that has gotten you into this mess. Not the outside world. There is no one to blame for the mismanagement of funds ,but your own leaders.

Anonymous said...

I too, care about these children, and I also will not fight over the land. It is not necissary. I understand that there are some very decient people. I walked your streets. I walked in Texas, and found out people could be human, even street people. I walked in canada, and looked at the beauty. I wondered at the meters and such. I walked around the niagra falls. I ate fish in New York and was surprised the buildings were so old. I went ot the Buchart gardens, and wanted to plant my own. I only have not been in North and South Dakota. I danced at the Western Legands. I bought my own land. I bought my one truck. I make good quilts. I make up songs with a drop of a coin. I made friends every where I went. There is only one thing I can not do. See my own daughter. I can help people in cane beds when there house was threatened with fire, and took their own children out of the heat. I could walk your streets, ride my bike to freedonia, and in twenty four hours, I could be in Texas, and the man that took me wanted to buy me jewls, and I refused. All I can not do is hold my own child. Why? Because of a lier in the creek. Because a man was a pretty faced lier, and I was the daughter of a child mollester. The state of Utah has the records I want. They could convict. They do not want to purger themselfs. Yet, as I came home and talked to these women, and children, They also told bits of my story. ONe here, one there. Why? We have always had the law. WE have had the law, and paid billions for it. I also know the traitors. I walked there gauntlett. If it was just a matter of myself, the issue would be over. It is not. It is about the cutest six year old, that ever lived. One they can tell any thing they want about me, so she is afraid, and paint there pretty painted devils cup. But I say again, With God there is no statue of limitations. I walked in on a man, mollesting my daughter. She is in the grave. I watched this child die the most horrible death. This was in the spring. In the fall, they drugged the one who would live. I went to the mental hospital to save her life. They used the testimonie of the man who had his uknow what in her mouth, to convict me. My fathers brother also testified, and my brother that I walked in on with his daughter on his lap. He took this drugged child from me. And the man that was threatening my life, took my children. I payed my debt, for a crime I did not committ. Utah has these records. This was the cause of my words this day. It was not an attack on the inacent. The guilty shall pay the debt. The man who took my daughter, sits in a house with a lot of girls. The one who was threatening my life has my daughter, he holds this child over my head to intimidate me. The man who mollested my daughter is in colorado with another women and a girl. Me, I walked your streets, and listened to the publics opinion of the retarded brain washed idiot women from the creek, and I sang to you. I prayed to my God. I walked your gauntlett. I never complained. I came home against all odds to stop the abuse in the creek. I am not dead yet, and I say Dr. Smith you are a good Dr. There is no way we could have known the whole truth, before we walked the line.

Anonymous said...

And I know my grandfather WArren. I know my grandmother Ruth. There was absolulty no dishonor in them. WArren and Ruth. They helped build short creek. There is no dishonor in the man. For five generations, I did come from faithful people. From Charles L. Walker to Charles middlemas Walker, Ruth Walker and them my MOther. My mother had never enen heard a swear word before she met my father, who mollested all his children. My Mother said, she had no Idea men did such things, there was no dihonor in her father. I say, I know my Grandfather more than you would think. I agree with you. There is absoulutly no dishonor in Ruth and Warren. Et Mon Droit

Anonymous said...

There you have it.

Amanda meet Ruth!

Amanda said...

Wow, I am so sorry to hear your story. That is very sad. I wish I could help you. I live in Chicago and that is not even close to you in any way, but if there were anything I could do to help you I would. I am a good person. Not very religious by any means, but I do pray on occassion and my prayers will be with you and your daughter. I wish you the best. Please, if you can think of anything that I could help with (I am not powerful in any way. Just an average person) please let me know. You can reach me at

very_happy_sunshine@yahoo.com

I'll pray for you and wish the best outcome for you.

Amanda said...

Actually that email address does not work for some reason. I will make another just in case you need a friend to talk to and I will let you know what it is.

Peace be with you :)

Amanda said...

Sorry it does work. Please use that email if you need a friend at all. A person can never have too many friends.

Anonymous said...

And I say to you, I flew the flag for all of you. NOt just some of you. I sat in a room and was forced to watch shows of young boys my childrens age being killed. I was billed for the alimonie my ex was suposed to have paid. I payed s.s.i. back for his fraud. I took their drugs. I took the pregnancy tests after Dick had his hands on me. I was forced to. I heard Sam Barlow tell me, to hurry up, I only had a few minuets left, as he closed a door and turned a key. I seen Photos of my children in the grossest filth. I seen a photo of a dog on my handicap sons crotch. I seen other things, and read the threats on my children. I watched my daughters back breakn and litened to her bones crunch, and who did this. The F. B. I. did an investigation. Why? Who was accused? What happened to my daughter in the beginning? I think it is time to interigate the men. Why could a women get on the school bus and acuse a man who had his hands on me, and be put in a mental hospital. She did not know me. Yet she told a peice of my story. And the Land? Who really is the owner. Why is it, that these men could trade drugs at the airpport and not be noticed, and If a girl trespasses Cops could beat her up. And where was the honor in the Jail. I say, get off your faithful butts and stop the secret combination. This has nothing to do with Land or Money to me. I walked americas street. Jesus holds the land. As long as I live, I am entitled to an inheratance. Which one of you were put out? You that fight to take the land. And do not try to tell me, I do not know my Grandfather. He was the saving of me. My birth right. This and the wonerful people who did help me. Law was not one of them. They colloected money off me. I was court ordered drugs, and until I went to Texas, I was not sure Human Beings still existed. I understand it was a lot that these men did to me. So, I say again. This was not an attaack on the inacent. Only the guilty. The only thing worse that could happen to me, is to lay in the grave, and I have already laid close. The threats and insults mean nothing to me. Stop the abuse in the creek.

Anonymous said...

And to you off us, that really do care, I have agreed to open up a non-profit organisation to open a shelter for the abused. If you want to donate for that, here is an address. Box 213 colorado City. I have the plans drawn. We have been told for years there is not enough people hear to put it in. I think now there is. A place to go, and feel safe with out drugs and tiny rooms wth lock down wards. I thank you all for your kindness, and the ones who hate me, Go right ahead. Just do not tell me about it. I think this would benifit a lot of people.

Faithful Woman said...

The land you are so concerned about is being sold because your dear Priesthood has decided to liquidate it! We are trying to BLOCK the sale! Go ask Willy Jessop what he knows about the deal. But then if you get an honest answer out of him you are doing better than most.
Those dis-honest guys literally ran from court service but go through back doors to make a quickie sale on hundreds of acres of land at WAY below current market price.
Now who is the bad guy? Oh yeah, still me. Should have known that none of this means anything to someone set on their own brand of tRUTH.

Anonymous said...

the zip is 86021 box 213 colordo city arizonia 86021

Anonymous said...

I told you all, I am not interested in this battle over the land. I need it not. I need not any of it. Like I said, as long as I walk upon it, I am entitled to it. I was the one who camped in the creek. I was the one who walked the street. I found out I could live in Texas on the street. I found out I could live in Texas on the street. In Fredonia, there are tree's to camp in, as long as the cops did not know, becasue after so long they run you out. I SAY I AM NOT FIGHTING OVER YOUR RELIGION OR MINE. I AM NOT FIGHTING OVER YOUR LAND OR MINE. I AM NOT FIGHTING OVER YOUR STUFF. IF YOU FEEL ENCLINED TO TAKE MY STUFF, THAT IS YOUR AJENDA, NOT MINE. I HAVE HAD A LOT OF STUFF STOLEN. I HAD EVERY THING I NEEDED WHEN I MET THE MAN WHO TOOK MY CHILDREN. I HAD A VERY GOOD VAN. THE STATE OF ARIZONIA HAD GIVEN MY HANDICAP CHILREN ALL THEY NEEDED. I WAS IN NO NEED OF STUFF, WHEN I MET THE MAN. HE TOOK IT. HE TOOK IT. AND GOD TOOK CARE OF ME. I SAY AGAIN I WAS RICHER ON AMERICAS STREETS THAN I HAVE EVER BEEN IN MY LIFE. I DID NOT HAVE THIS ABUSER TAKING EVERYTHING I RECIEVED. AND WHO STOLE THE STUFF IN CANE BEDS ALL MY FRIENDS GAVE ME. I SAY STUFF IS EASY TO AQUIRE. I WILL NOT FIGHT OVER IT. NOT YOURS AND NOT MINE. STEAL FROM ME, YOU HAVE BOUGHTEN A CURSE FROM GOD. AND IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

Faithful Woman said...

Sure you aren't interested. That is why you spent so much energy posting a lot of nothing right?

onthestreet said...

Ahh, there's alot of something there, if you had eyes to see. Then look at YOUR post. Seems rather puny, and shall we say, umm, like, how shall I put it? Faithless?

Anonymous said...

aND YESTERDAY i FLEW THE FLAG AGAIN, wITH LIBERTY AND JUSTACE FOR ALL. NOT JUST LAW FOR THOSE WHO PAY. I AM A FREEDOM RIGHTS PERSON.

Anonymous said...

aND AS TO THE COMMENTS ABOUT HE LAW, I TOLD LAMAR WINWORD IN THE BEGINNING IF I WON, THE LAWERS WOULD BE PAID. HE WOULD GET NOTHING IF SAM DID. SO, I SAY AGIAN, LET OUR ABUSERS PAY THE DEBT. THERE WAS ONE MAN WHO HAD ACCESS TO ALL THE RECORDS SAM BARLOW BETRAYED ME FOUR TIMES. FOUR TIMES. LET THE TAB FALL UPON THE STATE. THE LAND WILL NOT BE SOLD. GOD WILL NOT ALLOW IT. LIKE THE WELL IN FREDONIA.

onthestreet said...

Now, there's a big difference between a faith-fool woman, and a T-Ruth-full woman, as BIG a differnce as the size of your two posts. The more one shares and pleads for justice, the more interest there is, in both heaven and earth, and the less interest in the gross and unjust things of the world.

Anonymous said...

i MEAN LIKE THE WELL IN CANE BEDS.

Anonymous said...

OTS and Ruth,
If WJ is a prophet(man of God)why would he keep Sam Barlow as his main croney? Birds of a feather I say.

Anonymous said...

what makes you think that he is connected. Maybe he has been a traitor and it is other traitors who support him. Maybe he is one of the ones who stayed when they were asked to leave. I will tell you this much about Sam. I sat for thirty three years in our church. I listened to him speak. I heard tons of stories about his crulity. I would have never believed it if you would have talked until you were blue in the face. There was talk about another Sam Barlow, when people recieved letters and such, with his signature. I do not know a lot about the other Sam Barlow out to centenial park, but I know what Sam Barlow betrayed me. How many more?

Anonymous said...

Dick was the one who printed the papers. He used the computer to do this. I was wondering who the boss of this was. The best I can come up with from talking to all the people I know who were involved there was a certian few who's name came up constantly. I was taken to kingman, and met a lady in a room. This was with my first husband. They talked about putting me in Jail. (This was after i began to suspect that there was some truth to the story of the women who said she walked in on him.)I was so shocked about this that it was obviouse there was no truth to what ever there lie was. I never was privledged to here the details. We went in a room. This women said, do not put her in this Jail, she will never survive. I was so flipping shocked. She took me to another room. I never heard the details of the story. It was the night we got home that I walked in on him. My daughters face was black. I called the ambulance. When she arrived at the Hospital, She was fine. She was disabled. Well, Sam kept saying, Should we call Uncle Rulon. I said yes. He refused me that call.
How do you know he is supported? I say he is not. I say he is not. The second time, I took papers that Dick was harrassing me with. Papers with proof of this thing. He again betrayed me. The Third time HE took me to St. George to see Lamar Winword. I sat in the hall with Mitzi. My divorce was over. Why this visit? Shelly told me that he was going to die from a heart problem and wanted to put his life in order. I puzzled over my babies. I puzzled for awhile. Willard wanted me to sign papers saying i worked for the year, I was on food stamps living with him. He also ordered up medical equipment I did not need that I was getting a bill for after he took ever-thing from me. What was that visit to Lamar Winwords office about? I sat in the hall. Willard was angry and he went out of the room. Sam became frusterated and then we went home. And after I left Willard and was living again in Dicks house, My daughter died. And in the fall, the one who was not disabled was drugged and taken from me. My brother took her from my arms. My mother said, I talked about Mitzi being posioned. She was not there, when my brother took her. She said she had a horrible feel Mitzi was in the bottom of the trash can. This is in the court record. It also states that My brother took her. I have the documents of thier own words and what they did to me. The thing is, who was the guilty and who was the betrayed. Well in every case I have talked to, with out fail, tho some of the details change, there is SAm Barlow. He is the only cop who had access to all these records. He fought on the battle of the U.E.P. for as long as I could remember, yet, in church Uncle Rulon would say, You who are trying to destroy me, Come out and fight like men, I am not afraid of you. I never knew who they were, until they betrayed me. AND I AM NOT THE TYPE TO BETRAY MY COVNANTS, EVEN IF I DO NOT LIVE. I how-ever did live. I walked though an experience I shall never forget. I feel like my father was the training ground to survive Devils, so I would live through this experience. I say, Lamar Winword was not very interested in betraying our people. He was in a difficult spot. I was very impressed with this. I did tell him, if I won, he would get his money. How-ever if these lawers think that we will pay them for what Sam Barlow has done, I say stuff it in your socks and can it.

Anonymous said...

Ruth, what is the deal with all this flag-flying? Don't you know your lover Warren has banished the flag? He has told people it is the symbol of this evil nation and to not have it on their cars, houses, shirts, etc. He even caused that one prominent contracting company strip the nice paint job on one of their pieces of machinery because it was--you guessed it--your wonderful flag.

So Ruth, what's the deal? You just pickin' and choosin' which parts of lover-boy's decrees you will hear and obey?

Anonymous said...

It makes sense to me, why he would ban the Flag. I have how-ever not personally heard him say this. I am not going to argue this one way or the other. I think that if the government could do what they did to me, is dis-respect of our flag. I have heard his teachings on the Flag. There was not any dishonesty in what he tought me. It is the colors Of Christ. We do not take lightly to dishonoring our Lord. Idols are not our religion.I have how-ever think that a nation that seeks to take away religiouse freedoms does dishonor there own country symble. I think that flying a flag in the grossest of abuses, and this war is won of them, is a symbole of disrespect, unless you have a little Dummer boy too. So, I sing this song as I fly the flag. I how-ever only flew it to our grave yard and planted it on my daughters grave. The Flag still hangs in our City, upon a pole. I think it should be hung at half mast. Til, you that squabble over land gets on there knees. Feel that soil, and ask yourself what this flag means to our country, and What it really is that feeds a man. Cry a tear, and think of rain, and see, what feeds a man. It is not a Flag. What is it you are trying to portray? The constitution or the traitors? I fly the flag of the free and the brave. The free and the brave do not start wars. They compell peopel to end them.

Anonymous said...

And Bruce, the one who thinks he has any support, wake up and smell the roses. Like I said, we support the one who leads us. STAY OFF OUR PROPERTY. And you Utah Courts, Stuff it in your socks. you been trying to take our land since the day I was born. You greedy filthy.

Anonymous said...

And I watch people in the news cry over there home and family like I have cried over mine for six years. I say, if any one wants to help. Here is a good opportunity. Help the homeless. Help the oppressed. You never know when it will be you. I am crying this day, with these people in New Orleans. I cried there pain six years before they walked like me. With me, it was a man who condemned me. With them it was a storm. Pain equally.

onthestreet said...

God is a God of justice, as we lament the sorrows of all people everywhere.

onthestreet said...

Justice and injustice will be balanced out, and the earth made into a heaven.

Faithful Woman said...

Ha Ha street. And just what makes jiberish more tRuthful than short and sweet?
Please, in 50 words or less.

onthestreet said...

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Anonymous said...

Spot on street! Good job. I like it when you get right to the point.

mugwump said...

yeah! even ol' longwinded me liked that one streetie. Repeat as often as possible for best results.

Daddy's girl said...

8/30/2005 2:21 PM

Six years ago is when it became real to me.

Sterling Harker lost his family for no reason at all.

And I had a baby. I couldn't believe the "end of the world, damnation to all, unless you were perfect" .. because I would look into my babies eyes and see the future. Him growing up and me being there and seeing his children. I could not imagine him growing up with out me, for I loved him more than my own life and knew that no one on earth could love him that much.

And I knew I was not perfect and never could be.

You can twist it however you like...but I was extra good and never had any challenges. Now I can look back and say, too good.
I swallowed it hook, line, and sinker and never was a child. I was responsible when I was six. I tended children and cooked and cleaned better than any six year old I have ever seen.

onthestreet said...

9/02/2005 6:03 PM: Okay:
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Now, what is the dpi and the image?

onthestreet said...

Let's try a better image:

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dpi and image: What is it?

onthestreet said...

. pertains to vowels, and Daat, and the creation of all things. First the dot, then the line, then the circle.

onthestreet said...

Hey, you said: "As often as I want". Be careful what you wish for.

Been There, Done That said...

Hey daddy's girl: I feel your pain. You sound exactly like I feel. Are you Sterling's daughter?

A soul said...

street; most of what you write, is just one big vowel movement.

onthestreet said...

SOUL: That is most well put! The vowels are the light chambers. The consonants are the paths.

a soul said...

street; are your vowels filled with charity, also ?

onthestreet said...

Mercy and Judgement. You need both, or else you are out of balance.

Anonymous said...

eeeeee ooooooo aaaaaa
my vowels don't feel so good with all that charity coming out

Anonymous said...

Looks more like a squeaky violin to me.

onthestreet said...

Right! Charity is Harmony.

mugwump said...

how would a monotone know?

onthestreet said...

Mono: One voice, one church, one gospel.

mugwump said...

monotone: incapable of matching pitch. i.e. possessing a "tin" ear

onthestreet said...

Pitch is used all over the world by goldsmiths, silversmiths, and wordsmiths to hold metal in place, at which molten spatters of pitch can burn you severely. I am glad I'm incapable of that kind of burning, yet to be held in the place the Lord wants me to be, and be worthy of placement marriage.

As for tin, it is the correspondent of mercy on the tree. Therefore, it is also very good to possess a tin-ear, or an ear for mercy. Succulent fruits like lemons and apples are put in a modern context on a shiny surface of a tin plate, and then hides them beneath a wooden carving of a satin cover. The cover is abstract and sensual; a shiny white undulating mass hides the objects and provokes thoughts of the known and unknown.

The tin horn is blown to signal the sunrise, another sign of God's mercy to mankind.

Well put, muggy.

ATAR_i said...

Pitch, when used with the word monotone is meant in a musical sense - thus, not something used by blacksmiths or wordsmiths and nothing whatsoever to do with placement marriage.

mugwump said...

Thanks again atar_i. I thought that by relating the word "Pitch" to the word "Monotone" that perhaps ots would understand that the common DENOMINATOR was MUSIC.

Children who have been educated in public schools know such things. My presumption of ots's capability of understanding words in the common venacular is in error. His focus seems so "out of this world" that it's a wonder that he even engauges in this blog.

In judging his capability I was WRONG AGAIN!

Incidently street, what is pitch-blend?

Anonymous said...

You're gonna make me Ralph, Street.

I'm thinking that placement marriage may be your one and only shot at getting a girl.

Anonymous said...

You know if all the girls in Colorado City (Hildale, Eldorado, Centennial Park, and every other plyg place in America) were to NOT get married and just SLEEP around with all the MARRIED guys, ya know the men just commit adutuary and the young girls 12-17 have children out of wedlock, Well I don't think the Government would object to that, cause then they'd have to go after the whole state of New York, California, Lousianna, Florida, oh hell the whole US-the world for that matter. Damn you plygs for getting married and taking responsiblity for your actions!!

Anonymous said...

whoops spelled that wrong ADULTERY, ya all know what I meant.

ATAR_i said...

LOL anon 10:12

And - my community prosecutes adults who sleep with kids under age - it's actually a *big deal* where I live. A kid at a local HIGH SCHOOL was hauled out of school in the middle of the day in handcuffs by the police for sleeping with a girl who was in 8th grade (he was a senior) - she wasn't pregnant.

So, I think if they *just don't sleep with adolescent girls* - they will solve that problem.

I'm not sure if the conservative FLDS realize that sleeping with little girls is a MAJOR pervert fetish.

onthestreet said...

Who says they "sleep with them"? That's YOUR sexual perversion. It is the Lord's Word to multiply and replenish "with the youth of Zion". The Bat-Mitzvah is the age of maturity, always has been, even to many religious people in America, and "Congress shall make NO LAW regarding an establishment of religion".

It is NOT for you (sexual pervert) to have anything to do with children, for you are dangerous. It is ONLY for the likes of a strict FLDS people (those proven faithful, not cast out). These good people bring forth life abundantly, and the women and children love it so, in obedience to the Word of the Lord (even in the Bible). But we have more (personal) revelation, not just the Word to people of ancient times. Any people who DON'T have no vision, and they perish.

ATAR_i said...

So you agree that sleeping with kids is a sexual perversion? If so, you shouldn't defend it.

They are married to these children, the children have babies, and the men do not deny they have relations with their adolescent wives.

Haven't you just spent multiple threads discussing how you believe children getting married is just fine and dandy because you believe that Mary, the mother of Jesus was such a young lady?

Again - having sex with children is wrong and the men in your community should not do it.

You, should not defend it.

Parents should not allow it.

AND until you stop it, the law will bring force to bear on the community.

It's not about your religion - it's about hurting children - STOP IT.

It is a major pervert fetish - and my guess is that your FLDS men, have developed an appetite for it over the years, which is one of the reasons they hesitate to give it up.

The sexualization of children is not something any adult has the right to do in the name of religion.

mugwump said...

HOW YOU LOVE TO QUOTE FROM THE CONSTITUTION THAT GUARANTEES YOUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE....YET YOU DENY THE RIGHT TO...... KNOW ANY OPTION......BUT POLYGAMY.......DENY CHILDREN OF NECESSARY EDUCATION.......DENY YOUNG BOYS THE RIGHT OF A PROTECTIVE HOME UNTIL THEY REACH THEIR MAJORITY, OR HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN THE BASICS OF A TRADE OR PROFESSION.

Your faith is hypocritical. Your leaders are hypocrits. You are an patriotic anarchist. The epitome of being two-faced. You laud the benefits of Constutution government, but throw out your youth or condem them to a life of virtual prostitution and enslavement to a man who shows no affection. And this is supposed to be a glimpse of Heaven?

How much more horrible can hell be to these ignorant innocents?

onthestreet said...

TAR (9/08/2005 3:54 PM): That's right! Doing that to children, adults, or even grandmas is perversion. THAT'S WHY we don't do it, nor defend it. Instead, the Prophet casts those out who do. Ahh, YOUR HERO. Just because they marry young people who bear children doesn't mean they have to fit your perverted fantasies. People can bear children without intercourse. Surely, you're not that stupid. You seem to be stuck in that mindset, making yourself a sexual pervert. It's all you've ever known. And until you stop it, the law will continue to destroy your cities, "Until the CONSUMPTION DECREED UPON ALL NATIONS." Our marriages ARE about our religion. Just because yours are not holy, but gross, doesn't mean that everyone else has to be a sexual pervert like you.

MUG (9/08/2005 4:10 PM): Screaming and mad as a dog. That is NOT righteousness, nor peace, for the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Peace. Everything you two say now is JUST A REHASH. You've exhausted your defenses, and God and his governments are now doing His work against you, the hypocrit, the anarchist, the two-faced. You call the criminals cast out from us as "ignorant innocents". Every judge will tell you that the claim of Ignorance of the law is no defense for the crime. You only expose your own crimes, and seal your fate.

mugwump said...

Artificial insemination has been used by vets for years. The more I learn about your lifestyle, it does seem even more a farm for breeding animals than an estate of affection, compassion and love. Whew, you're S.I.C.K.

Incidently, there is a list in the Gospels, in Romans, in
1 Corinthians, and in Revelation related to sexual perversion and the final estate of those who practice it. In all states of the U.S. where the marriage of two people of the same sex has gained recognition is -0- when the item was put on the ballot. According to a previous post your endorse same sex relationships.

WHO IS MY HERO, ACCORDING TO YOU?

Little boys, as young as fourteen, criminals? Did they burn down a building, sell dope to their brothers and sisters, rape or sodomize a sibling? Wreck the meeting hall? What constitutes criminal activity? Who is judge jury and executioner? The super-holy, all knowing, all seeing, compasionate sodomite Warren Jeffs? Try your description of criminal behavior. I know too much about your cult to buy it.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, same sex relationships. Let me see, I have a sister, and a mother, an aunt, a neice, all family relations. Is that same sex relationship, and is that evil?

Yes, teens were selling dope, seducing our daughters, destroying the family order of heaven, and the souls of men. Are not peoples' souls of any value to you.

Who is judge, jury, and executioner? The Prophet, the elders, and the police, in a theocratical society. You know too much about the lies perpetrated to buy your salvation. It must be purchased.

onthestreet said...

mugwump said... Artificial insemination has been used by vets for years. The more I learn about your lifestyle, it does seem even more a farm for breeding animals than an estate of affection, compassion and love. Whew, you're S.I.C.K.

The "artificial means" avoids the defiling of the girls (ahh, the innocence of such a man), and sews to the spirit as God commands. "Do not touch those girls", is another of the commands of the Lord in current revelation to the faithful. Why do you think the breeders call it "PUREBREADS"?
The raping of your girls and your neighbors and your wife is NOT what you terms as "affection, compassion, and love." Sexual perverts have always perverted those values. Whew, you're SICK, and I will not abbreviate it like you did.

ATAR_i said...

The men in your church admit to having intercourse with their adolescent wives. Your prophet has married these girls. And, yes, by your own definition above that makes them all perverts - we now agree - thanks.

mugwump said...

If she's my wife, how is our act of love as to peform the very act where two become one flesh considered as rape?

Where is the semen used to impregnate your women obtained?

What are your guarantees that the seman of the husband impregnates his own wife? Are you sure that all the children born to you are not WJ'S?

How is seman gathered. If pleasure is received from the male as a part of the recovery process then he has indeed committed rape.

If he used a prostitute to arrouse him, that is adultry. If he used a male lover for the same purpose that is perversion. If he just extracted it himself that is self-gratifcation. But since your entire priesthood consists as self-righteous judges of society I guess that occasionally they may contribute to the sperm bank. I guess that they just sit around in a circle, watch a dirty movie and have a circle jerk.

onthestreet said...

ATAR: We agree. Those men were cast out for that very thing, and you're right: The Prophet rescued them.

MIB: None of the above. That's all I'll say to a sexual pervert.

mugwump said...

Since MIB has not posted to this particular thread I presume that the above snide remark was made in my behalf.

The questions posed were not perversion. Nothing lewd was addressed. The question is in relation to a former post of yours claiming that children were born to the young girls as the result of artifical insemination. The sperm donor is still biologically the father.

Throughout history women have been made pregnant by men who had no intent to do anything with the woman but use her as a means to self-gratification.

The biological fatherhood has been established, in court, when the truth of the relationship is discovered and DNA of the child matches that of the man who fathered that child.

Far too many otherwise good women, weak because of their desire to be loved, have succumbed to rape or sometimes, more often than not, a relationship that to her was real, but to him was satisfying.

If the woman is known to play around, a test to determine paternity is justified. Why should the man sew his seed and leave the garden to deal with the problem of rearing and providing for a child of a non binding union? By the same token, why should a man assume responsability for supporting a child that is proven to be not his own.

The question is: Who are the donors?

onthestreet said...

MUG (9/10/2005 12:07 PM):

Yah, you're right. Put that in the mug. As for sexual intent of men throughout history, that is why the Lord brough His Gospel back through Joseph, and continues the same Gospel through Warren, to correct that very thing, self-gratification, and a host of other things, to set up the same system of laws and ordinances, morals and attitudes and practices, that existed in the beginning, and return the earth to its paradisical glory.

You dwell on sexual matters, which is outside of the veil. We dwell on unification matters, which are inside the sanctuary. We do not subject our heaven-inspired and directed unions to DNA or other desecrations of what is holy. However, since you don't consider the union of heaven as holy, you will be subjected continually to examination and defilement till the consumption decreed. Your reference to "donors" and playing around and abandoning the seed of a non-binding union is monogomy. Celestial Marriage is eternally binding. We don't call them
"donors". They are Fathers, and all who play around and neglect their seed are simply cast out. This is why so many have been cast out.

That's the point: You trivialize, sexualize, and denegrade what is holy, and make it very, very cheap, along with yourself.

mugwump said...

ots

see my last post on "Anyone See CNBC with Ross........" posted Sept. 6 @ 8:17 by atar_i