Tuesday, August 30, 2005

who is enforcing warrens edicts?

I have heard that Lyle Jeffs is now in charge in cc and Willy T is no longer in town.
Also, Are the faithful warrenites receiving satellite transmissions from Warren? If so there should be a way to intercept those communications.

137 comments:

red rocks girl said...

we just have to look for all the cars and suv's with dark tinted windows and tons of "security" you can easily find warren in the middle of the circle, They mostly play his special made tapes but a few times he has made a phone call to the congregation, I'm no phone expert, but if they can tap our phones we can tap theirs!!

Anonymous said...

Frankly it is none of your bussiness.

red rocks girl said...

spoken like a true warrenite blah blah blah

Anonymous said...

They use satellite, but it is for the internet, they do the phone calls through the internet into CC.

onthestreet said...

They mainly follow revelation. Let's see ya tap that, or top that, if you can. Revelation from above is the highest form of communication.

fttc said...

That was pretty lame Street. Unless you are going to say that God now uses all man's modern technology to deliver revelation to warren. If he gets any real inspiration it is not coming from above! His is the lowest form of communication.

Anonymous said...

Talking about lame, Revelation is the highest form of comunication. I know we could not expect you peole to know anything about that. You do not even believe in God. Mostly as far as I can tell, You believe in unbelieve.

fttc said...

You are right about me not believing in YOUR god. Revelation from God would be the highest form of communication. It would also be the truth. Revelation from Satan or the imaginations of man are not a high form communication in my estimation, and they will show forth in their falsity.

Warren has had revelations about several people not dying at a time they were very ill, some when they had reached the lifespan of man on the earth. They died from their illness or from their old age, contrary to warren's word. I know you are desperate enough to twist his words and stretch them into eternity to make them true, but show me a prophecy from the scriptures that needed that kind of support. They have been literally fulfilled. They don't have to be 'spiritualized'.

And "as far as I can tell" shows the darkness of your mind. A people once blessed with the truth and rejecting it will become darkened. "And how great will be that darkness"

Anonymous said...

Oh, ye of little faith: How oft, would I have gathered you, and you would not.

Anonymous said...

See what I mean, Jay Beswick. Nobody cares about abuse. All they care about is trying to prove our religion is wrong. You claim to have evidence of something that was not right. I know that you are right about some of it. I also walked, in these girls shoes. We did not need more Preachers. We needed some one who would stop the abuse. I do not feel like our religion is abusive. I think it is different than your life-style, but being different is not abuse. And with God, he put us on this earth but for a moment. His ways are forever into eternity. We look forward to life. Forever into eternity. So, If you good people want to convince us, that the government did not come into here to prosicute us for our religion, Quit acting like it. We know you did. And to say, that the District Attorneys were hoping that we would self distruct: That is another proof, you care nothing about us. And yesterday, some-one said, that the District attorney said, that we are an embarrasment to him. And you all have proven the truth of what we are tought...
"I will set up an ensign. A perculiar people, and they shall be hated by all." Maybe I did not quote it exactly, but it is in the book of MOrman. I do not know any other people on earth, that have been hated as much as ours. I do not know any other people upon the earth, who fits the profile. I know no other people upon the earth, who fit the description of the Prophacys. I do not expect to proof any thing. I think about Lasereth. And that story. His persicutor when he died, cried unto God to send Lasereth back. He said, I will not. THe people would not believe the Prophets. They would not believe the one, who was dead. We only spend about one hundred years upon this earth. In that ammount of time, you build the person you are. YOu either root out the evil or the good, and then you become what you do. I say, to spend a life time trying to prove a people or a person is wrong is a strange way to live. I know that I am not liked. I still have to live the best I can. When I see people that get away with abuse, and Our Prophet can stop it, why this nation trys to destroy him, because of his religion. I say, I will hold to him. I do not want the world ways. BRoad is the gate, and wide is the way, that leads to the path of distruction. And The rod is the only way. The rod is the word of God.

Anonymous said...

Ruth, you keep complaining about the abuses and then saying your prophet warren can stop them. Why doesn't he then. Why are you appealing to Jay? All you are is talk just like those you are accusing of the same. I guess you don't care either.

I know this will bring the wrath of Ruth down upon me and the rest of us will be able to say something after about ten of her posts. Sorry everyone, I had to say something. Her rantings are a disgrace. They take ten pages to say nothing.

fttc said...

Anon 11:31

A quote that applies directly to warren's followers. Thank you!

Those who follow warren have persued the same path that the children of Israel did in Moses' time. Moses gave the Israelites the chance to go into the mount with him and speak with God. They did not have faith sufficient to do it. They wanted another man to take the responsibilty for them.

Which requires the most faith; to let another man do all the asking of God or to ask him for yourself?

Warren has replaced God in their religion so they can have him between them and God to blame for all those things they know are wrong but do anyway "for the prophet".

Anonymous said...

And I say, all the Prophets of all the days would have been glad, that all men were Prophets. From God to them. But, they have labored all their days with great weaknesses of men. We are laboring to teach the first principles. Faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ. I think if all people had this one learned, we could move on to the next principle. faith in the Lord Jesus. God, himself is capable to take care of all the abuses. Why does he not? You ask this question to contend. I say, God himself will do this thing. He always has, he always will. If men know of a crime, and they turn there back on it, they are quilty of it. If they know of a crime, and they do all they can, they are free of the sin. I say, Jay Beswick Knew of some of these crimes. Maybe he did all he could. Maybe he did not. I am not his judge. We are all in the same boat. To say a person is a greater sinner than another is a weakness of the flesh. All men are created equal. All men are accountable for there own actions. Sometines God allows a man to continue in sin all the days of his life. He allows him to grow old an feeble and when he dies he is put in a place he can hurt nobody. I say, these crimes need stopped. I say, we can do nothing about what has been done. The debt is upon the men who perpetuated it. But I say there is something that some one can do to prevent it from happining again. We all know who the perpertrators are. We all do. The men in the government do, and the film people do, and the ones in my city do. And as to Moses, why lay all the blame upon a man. Can he carry a people who are determined to build there golden calfs and worship stuff. I say, God will give unto all of you what you do so desire. You seek to make a mock of me. I have been made a mock off, all my life. That did not change truth. I am not your enimies. I am not your judge. I have no blessings or cursing. I am a hmble servant of the Lord, trying to shake off the affects of the truth I know, about these men, who abuse. I think that I am not there Judge. I thank God daily, I am not there judge. I thank him daily I am not your Judge. I Thank him greatly, that he is capable of doing this great thing of judging all, people. I love my Lord. I seek to Please him. I seek to honor him. As you treat God, so shall he treat you. As your faith is, so shall it be. You will all have to excuse me now, I have things to do, besides argue with people who are determined to hate me, because I love a man. I love him. I do. He stopped the grossest of Abuse. He stopped them. They know it. I know it. I have my emotions, but he takes care of me. They can play the inacent game, for all I care. God knows what they did, and so do they. I am not responsible for you, or them. I talk to Jay Beswick, because he helped me. I was not holding a sword. I was looking for information. I recieved it. I am greatful to him. I agree with him, on some things. I seek to serve my lord. Like I said, if you hate me, please do not tell me about it. Good day.

Anonymous said...

It is a hopeless case and can only be endured.

Anonymous said...

It is not a hopeless case. It is a hopful case. Why? Because it is not my responsibiliy. It is not my responsibility, to be responsible for other's emotion's. It is my responsibility to take care of my feelings.
And if you were refering to the stopping of our church, you are right. It is a hopeless case.

However, there are a lot of people who lost there home yesterday. There are a lot of people who lost there homes. Here is an opertunity for you to do something really worth while. Helping people is a lot different than trying to remove them from there home. I say, I think here is an oppertunity to help YOur fellow country men.

Anonymous said...

So what have you done or are you doing to help the hurricane victims?

Anonymous said...

What a Warrenite helping a black hurricane victim?

Warren is probably jumping down in glee that all those evil people, in that evil city drown and lost their homes.

Charity....there is no charity in Warrenite FLDS. It is a narrow minded, self gradifying, self-centered and self promoting community.

If Jesus came up as a black dirty beggar to the door of any FLDS door what would the response be? Well, let me reinstate my question "If Jesus could get to the front door to knock before being harrassed by the CC police in Shortcreek."

Folks are so programed the world is out to get them because they are pligs, they forget the Golden Rule. "Love one another as yourself." Jesus did not say "Love only my followers as yourself."

Jesus said in Matthew 12:36-37
36 "And I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for it in the day of judgement.
37 "For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned."

Anonymous said...

and what about the saint george, kanab, fredonia, cedar city, and salt lake victims.. what have you done to help them?

Anonymous said...

I will tell you what I have done: I took care of a lady that was laid up. I took care of her for two weeks. I helped her do the dishes. and keep her house cleaned. I washed dishes for another women. I gave all the money, I had to another women for a Christmas party. I sang to some. I sang to other's. In Texas, The Negro's helped me, and I helped them. I told them that I felt like Joseph would give them their own country, and listened to critasism for it. Every where I went, I helped who I could. I went to the Morman Church and helped them can peaches. And I think that the whole predudicial problem would be resolved if People supported church. And now, we are back to the cops. I say, who have you helped? Anger only eats you up. I say this not out of predudice. I say this out of experience. I Helped all I could. I would have put in a building that would have benifitted all, in this area. I had the most encredible plans. I how-ever can not deal with my own feelings at this moment. I feel like that I was out voted. I was trying to raise the money to put in a center. I am sure that this would benifit every body in this area. I wanted to put in a place, that the street people could stop and eat at. I am a dreamer. I am a foolish dreamer. YOu people are right. I was a crazy women. I am going to take care of me. I do appreciate a lot, the ones who helped me. I do not think that the ones who took my money and did not give me what I payed for, helped me too much. I think that I will send the people in New Orleans some thing. I am sure there is something I can do. I think that there is. I think there is if I think about, What I could do. I think that a lot of times just knowing some one cares helps a lot. It hurts me a lot, to see people in the same situation, I have been in for six years. Like I said, men put me, where I am at. I committed no crime. I cared for my children, and when I met this man, I was put out. I say, I shall do all I can. If I do all I can, what more can a person ask. There on the telivision, are thousands who walk like me. My heart is torn for them. I am not the judge, or the one who controles all of this. I can have compassion. I also have given the thrift store in St. George a thing or two. I think that I un-knowingly donated my generator to the person who stole it off my property. In truth, I have donated every cent I have had to people who took from me, what I paid for.I think they took a few other things too, things my friends gave me. I donated my stuff, to the man in fredona who took the liberty to take from me. I gave money to a christian group, that helped orphans. I helped all I could, and I was banned from my daughter. What about you. What did you do? What will you do? I also talked about helping these people on the street. I think my plan would have helped all the people in this area. I mean the ones who needed it. I think we could all use some care and comppasion. As long as I stay away, from law people, and do not think about my daughter, I would be willing to do any thing that I could for any one I met. What would you do? ARe you homeless? There is one thing I refuse to do. Argue more about religion. I own no land. And it is against the law, to camp in one place for very long. Then the cops run you out. The land I payed for, is still in anothers name. But, I say: I did all I could, What will you do?

Faithful Woman said...

Your rants would be way less pathetic if you would accept what people tried to offer you to improve your situation. But NOOOO, you rant and rave and cary on like a lunatic (not that you are one, I don't think you are) and create quite a wave of sympathy for yourself. But then you slap the hand that would feed you. Too proud you are.
Now wasn't one of warren's teachings that Pride kills Love?
Yup, sure was. What happened?

You can't have pure Love in your heart and be the martyr that you say you are all the while you blast those you see as enemies, wether they see themselfs as your enemy or not.

Anonymous said...

I did not want your sympathy. I wanted what I payed for.

Anonymous said...

Actually, my life is not so bad, if I do not want to see, my daughter, and I stay away from the people who cheat me.

Anonymous said...

uhmmmmmmmmmmm.....I think that it is all bull shit..

Anonymous said...

ya, I agree.

Paladin for Truth said...

Sorry to say, there are a lot of men who have been sent away, that make no effort to go and see their children. I don't know how the minds of these men can work that way. They are the ones who helped conceive the children, hopefully they were in love when that happened. These same men helped and loved their wives through the nine months of carrying the child. These men helped their wives through the child birth and raising of the child. They enjoyed the joy of a baby and then young children, they are the ones that enjoyed older children wanting to be with their Father. These men are the ones that helped their older children progress forward with marriage and the starting of a new little family. These older men were the ones that would enjoy the grandchildren. Now suddenly these noble men will have nothing to do with the children that God entrusted to them, when the children need them the most. These men will sit in the weeds and turn their backs on all that God has given to them. I can't understand how these men can just turn their backs on their children, just because that damnedable Warren tells them too. Everyone in Short Creek is having such a feel bad over the supposed power of the government, and yet they will let Warren tell them not to see their children. Not even the government or the courts can get away with this. This is America, everyone is guaranteed some form of visitation.
Utah is every other weekend from 6pm Friday to 6pm Sunday.

The government tried to tell some of these men that they could not see their children, but the government learn a sore lesson. Uncle Roy said to remember the '53 raid, there is no more apparent reason why he said that then what is going on now. Now, my hell, these men do it voluntary when Warren tells them to. What is really driving these men, is it hate for some other individual?? Is it cowardice on having to go back on their hail king Warren talks?? Is it adulterous actions of the past that has maybe tarinished their love for wife and children?? Is it the loss of honesty and truth and all the decent principles of the Gospel that comprise the root and foundation of Mormonism??

Where are these fathers that brought forth these children. They certainly were there and used their power that God gave them to create life, where the hell are they now???

Anonymous said...

It's hard having your faith shattered and facing facts, but if the old won't stand up for what's right, the "rebellious young people" sure will. I used to think "rebellion" was a bad thing, but I think the great creator put it in us for a reason.

the_lerker said...

Well said anon

Anonymous said...

Sooooooo, what about the question that was asked when this thread started

Anonymous said...

I say; If there is some good you can do, do it. Accusing never brought about any good. I say, God is enforcing things at the moment. I say he was before. What have you done that is good? I say, God knows the heart of all. he is the greatest pay-master. And you have the answer, to my veiw of this thread. And the oppressed; He shall dry there tears. He shall heal there hearts. He shall defend them, when no one else did. The ones who were not honest, he shall throw down. He shall make the weak strong, just like he said, he would. He gives us all opportunitys. Opportunitys to make choices. What is your choice? Are you a builder or a destroyer? That is the Question. Will you make things better? Will you oppress? I say, God is enforcing things. I say, lay down your sword. Do what you can, for the oppressed. There are a lot of people in need. Who will help?

ogre said...

well said paladin
I dont't think a man is worth anything if he dosen't help raise his own offspring.
Unfortunately, most men of the "priesthood" persuasion, treat their wives and children like property, and never express love.
I have seen men whos kids never willingly went to them for a hug and NEVER kissed their wife or showed any affection.
When there is no natural affection, it is no wonder men and women are influenced by these bastards like warren

ogre said...

on the other hand I applaud the men who fight to keep there kids close even after being kicked out.
Even more kudos to those couples who stay together despite warrens threats and intimidation.

onthestreet said...

Yes, on the other hand. That would be the Left Hand of God, being kicked out for that very rebellion.
Humble repentance is the only solution, and the very thing that the wicked hate.

"Those who shall lose their lives shall find it, and those who find their lives shall lose it".

Fight to keep YOUR kids and all that you suppose you possess, which are NOT yours but belong to the Lord, and you lose it all.

Anonymous said...

Question Street....
If Faithful Woman and her husband gave Warren "humble repentance" would Warren take them back?

Onewaystreet

Anonymous said...

Mr. Paladin for Truth

Onewaystreet has a question for you?

Can you speculate how far...Warren's Froggys will jump to stay faithful to him? How many more God's laws will they break?

Anonymous said...

WHICH GOD ARE YOU REFERRING TO MR. OR MS. ANONYMOUS
Anonymous said...
I say; If there is some good you can do, do it. Accusing never brought about any good. I say, God is enforcing things at the moment. I say he was before. What have you done that is good? I say, God knows the heart of all. he is the greatest pay-master. And you have the answer, to my veiw of this thread. And the oppressed; He shall dry there tears. He shall heal there hearts. He shall defend them, when no one else did. The ones who were not honest, he shall throw down. He shall make the weak strong, just like he said, he would. He gives us all opportunitys. Opportunitys to make choices. What is your choice? Are you a builder or a destroyer? That is the Question. Will you make things better? Will you oppress? I say, God is enforcing things. I say, lay down your sword. Do what you can, for the oppressed. There are a lot of people in need. Who will help?

9/02/2005 8:55 PM

Anonymous said...

I think that it is very pathetic to see peopole following one man down to hell. I have been watching all the news and reading some of the blogs and I hope that people can wake up and do the right thing. This man only has the power that the people have given him. I also feel that Warren should not worry about the law so much, be he should worry about who he has kicked out, stolen families, and wiped out children's memories. In another few years those children will not remember their biological fathers, who for the lack of good reasons were just not "religious" enough to suit Warren's fancy. Furthermore I feel that the people who are still in the twin cities should step up to the mark and take care of their responsibilities in those cities, and stop giving this man money and power. As soon as Warren looses the money trail, he will soon look for other people to bleed. Read the "Coming Crisis," and see for yourself what kind of a man Warren is.

Paladin for Truth said...

First we need to realize who Warren thinks he is. Warren believes that he has all that God gave to Joseph Smith. Where did Warren get the authority to remove the name Joseph and insert his? I can’t find anywhere in the 1886 revelation where God gives permission to change Joseph’s name.

132:1 “VERILY, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph …”

Seems like to me this revelation applies to whom it was given, Joseph. Anyway this is what Warren believes. 132:7

“And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.”

From this we can see that Warren does not respect any law of any government or land anywhere in the world. Second Warren’s most elite and loyal followers believe this as well. Warren has twisted this verse to make himself into a king and control freak. Let’s consider a few points. Warren has to control everything.

We know that Warren thinks himself equal to Joseph and the Gods. He considers himself far, far above the law.

We know that for a few years Brigham Young did preach blood atonement, or he was misquoted as such, but either way it is in the Journals of Discourses and so Warren believes it to be correct.

Warren teaches that all scripture has to be interpreted through the current prophet, that means he can change any and everything at his whim. I expect him to find a reason to undo Uncle Roy one of these days.

We know that Warren expects exacting obedience to his every word, we have seen the road strewn with booted men that did not obey.

We know that every day Warren expects greater and greater loyalty.

We know that there are hundreds of men trying to repent from a distance, who have nothing left. These men are getting in a condition where they will do anything asked of them to get back in. Real scary.

So far Warren is getting away with hiding from the law. He is going to get bold with what he commands from his hiding spot.

We know that Warren favors the voice of a woman over that of a man, for he will hear the woman and believe her to be telling the whole truth and exact judgment on her husband with out even getting his side of the story. He is not a fair judge that is for sure. In the Alta Academy days the boys were always 100% to blame for talking to the girls. Seems like it takes 2 to talk and the blame should have been 50/50.

We know that Warren can’t tell a man’s spirit and many guilty have gone before him and not been detected. For there are men close to him that are leaking details out, Warren should have kept Allen and Leroy, they may have doubted some things Warren said, but they were good at keeping their mouths shut.

We know that Warren is praying for deliverance from his foes, by trying to pray forth the destruction of America. So far the only destruction that has happened is by Warren’s own hand, so it is safe to say that this is the main form that his destructions will continue.

We know that Warren is the type to have a spy network and to make secret recordings and such, he can’t get revelation from God, he has to use his spies.

Warren believes that the earth and all in it belong to God and his prophet.

Warren has said many times that the biggest problem with his school effort was that the parents were making it hard to train the children in the Priesthood School correctly. Sounds like the parents had more foresight than Warren in a great many things.

We know that Warren thinks that he is somehow talking with his father in the “other room”. A condition that according to the Book of Mormon can’t exist. For according to Alma, the righteous get to rest from their cares in the next life until the resurrection. Warren’s father is resting, where he is free from all his cares and worries. We believe Joseph to be resurrected, so it is foolish to think that Joseph is telling Rulon and Rulon is telling Warren. Warren is not talking to his father that is for sure. Now the ole boy Lucifer may be slipping him one though.

We know Warren is a horrible judge of character, as his brother Leroy is out. A man who is far more pure than Warren. His brother Lyle is in, a molester of his sisters and a man with a foul mouth.

Warren is going to go more and more crazy as more and more can’t live up to his standards. The more people he can’t control, the more freaky he is going to get. Ask those in the Alta Academy days, many of them saw this develop in Warren.

Let’s hear what others think Warren is capable of, considering he believes he is above the law and believes in blood atonement.

a soul said...

paladin; so nice to have you back. you don't, by any chance, have a business card made up. " have truth, will travel". Thanks for sharing your insight.

ATAR_i said...

Has anyone noticed that on the news so many of the people stranded by the hurricane lay the blame exclusively on someone else. It is someone elses fault they are not happy and secure.

What happened is a tragedy, but why were the people who were stranded, stranded. They were warned - why didn't they leave? Their socio-economic status might have kept them from having as many options as others, but whose issue was that. I think there are choices, years of choices, that led the individuals who are stranded to be in that time, at that place - and a dose of bad luck as well.

I see that same attitude with some of the FLDS. The things that have happened which are bad are always someone elses fault - not their own, some hideous outsider. I look at years of choices made by generations of individuals - and no one willing to take responsiblity for the misery that they feel. How did you get there - lots of choices and probably a little bad luck.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone else seen Lyle Jeffs in the movie theatres? I've seen him twice in St. George and once in Mesquite.

Seems odd because that's a definite no-no to Warrenites

Anonymous said...

What movies was Lyle watching?

Maybe he was spying.....


ME

onthestreet said...

PALADIN Said (9/03/2005 7:43 PM): We know that Warren favors the voice of a woman over that of a man, for he will hear the woman and believe her to be telling the whole truth and exact judgment on her husband with out even getting his side of the story. He is not a fair judge that is for sure. In the Alta Academy days the boys were always 100% to blame for talking to the girls. Seems like it takes 2 to talk and the blame should have been 50/50.

STREET's Reply: Ahh, it would seem, wouldn't it, but for the Truth. The energy of the life force is male, both by nature and decree. It's purpose is to give. The joy of all life-form is female, both by nature and decree. It's purpose is to receive. Man gives to the woman, in both procreation and instruction. It would be a direct violation of the very nature of life to punish the women for talking, for they are only receiving, being the recepticles of life.

Therefore, the guilt for giving to any lady any word at all is on any boy or man who is so presumptive as to assume that he has that right to give to someone who doesn't even belong to him, and never will. Therefore, what you say, in fact everything you say, if skewed and far off the mark, even when you make it seem plausible. Yours is alot of hearsay, alot of guesswork, alot of animosity, and an obvious axe to grind, having been caught in your sins and dealt with by the Lord.

ATAR Said (9/03/2005 9:19 PM): "I see that same attitude with some of the FLDS."
Yes, it began at the House of God.

Anonymous said...

Onthestreet, my hat’s off to you. You have played your game well.

I have watched in amazement, since this blog first started, as you have spun your web of intrigue. It has been very entertaining to see peoples’ posts as they have tried to figure out who you are, whether you are a male or female and what kind of mental disorder they think you must have. Why, you even had some people thinking that you are Warren.

I have marveled at how you have been able to incite such passionate responses from the likes of Mugwump, Atari and several others who otherwise sound like intelligent and rational people.

You had the administrators of this blog and the Canadian blog so up in arms that they had to ban you for awhile. You would think that everyone would have caught on by now but you are still able to lure them in. You still have them thinking that you are a true believer, follower and defender of Warren.

People, when are you going to catch on? Can’t you see that you are being played? Think about it! Don’t get so caught up in the content of his posts that you overlook the spirit and intent of his posts. Look back through his posts and nearly every one has some little smartass remark weaved in among his incoherent statements. The incoherency of his posts is intentional and the snide remarks are put in to incite a passionate response.

Street obviously grew up in that religion and knows the teachings well enough that he can make it sound like, to some people, that he is actually trying to defend it. However, anyone who grew up in that religion should know that someone who was truly trying to represent the FLDS, either now or pre-warren, wouldn’t be doing it in the spirit of Streets posts. He gets off on seeing people respond to his posts and seeing how much controversy he can stir up. He is not schizophrenic and he is not defending his faith. Street is just having fun with you. You’ve been played.
Game on! Who’s got next?

Anonymous said...

Whatever man, streets just a pain in the azz

mugwump said...

I can't speak for anyone else but I can speak for mugwump. I know street has been busy trying to get one up on several of us. As long as he keeps going to him Mormon "stack of stuff" (to borrow a phrase from a well known radio personality), he is a wuz. Most of us who take him on know that he is attempting to rattle our chain. His basic understanding of the message of the Bible is his weakest link. He continously attempts to make is point valid by taking texts our of context. At that he's pretty good. But, you will have to admit, a great part of the time his entries are pure gobblety-goop.

I follow up because I enjoy the ex-patiate exchange. At times his is brilliant at others, he is sorely lacking in knowledge or experience.

Anonymous said...

Well, do you know what, you could start by quoteing some of the Bible, instead of always slandering others. And you do not even know if street is a he.

onthestreet said...

Maybe I AM her-detwyler in high-society, or his majesty in rags.

Anonymous said...

St. Matthew
Chapter 12
Verse 34
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas; for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
35 The men of Nineveh shall rise up in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and , ye behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
36 The queen of the south shall rise up in the day of judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it; for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and ye behold, a greater than Solomon is here. 37 Then came some of the Scribes and said unto him, Master, it is written that, every sin shall beforgiven; but ye say, Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven. and they asked him, saying, How can these things be? 38 And he said unto them, when the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest and findeth none; but when a man speaketh against the Holy Ghost, then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth him empty, swept and garnished; for the good spitit leaveth him unto himself. 39 Then goeth the evil spirit, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in and dwell there; and the last end of that man is worse than the first. even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Anonymous said...

Proverbs chapter 29
He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
2. When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
3Whoso loveth wisdom rejoiceth his father; but he that keepeth company with harlots spendeth his substance.
4 The King by judgment establisheth the land; but he that receiveth gifts overthroweth it.
5 A man that flattereth his heighbor spreadeth a net for his feet.
6 In the transgression of an evil man there is a snare; but the righteous doth sing and rejoice.
7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor; but the wicked regardeth not to know it.
8 Scornful men bring a city into a snare; but wise men turn away wrath.
9 If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, wheather he rage or laugh, there is no rest.
10 The bloodthirsty hate the upright; but the just seek his soul.

Anonymous said...

Proverbs chapter 28
1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth; but the righteous are bold as a lion.

The Lord sayeth, "OH ye, of little faith; how oft would I have gathered you, but you would not."

mugwump said...

9/4 11:22

If you check the archives of this web you will find that I have quoted many verses from the Bible. Go back to the earliest postings and you will find many quotes, usually from the KJV but occasionally a paraphrase or a quote from another translation.

I make no apology for my standing firm for what i believe. I share that belief and if you don't like what I say at least respect that I have the fortitude to stand for what I believe.

Faithful Woman said...

he he, Well, we know that the street doesn't write German.

Anonymous said...

Street, you are her what?!!????

ATAR_i said...

LOL - we won't mistake you for an English teacher or a German either

FYI it's 'Herr Detweiler'

onthestreet said...

Gees, I am so humbled. You both got me there.

ATAR_i said...

Well, I do know my Sound of Music....

Anonymous said...

Wow, who ever "anonymous" is, that was quoting the book of MORMON, must not have read it recently, cause you spelled the names and even the book wrong. All I want to know is why are you people trying to talk others into your religion. There's no use, they want and do what makes them happy. So let people be, God WILL sort it out and we will all know who was right when we die. right.

Anonymous said...

YOu know what, I thought that warrenites didn't use or even allowed to watch TV, let alone, use the internet? Wow isn't that a new thing, what lie will the Media say now, or the ex-plygs for that matter.
Ya know, because all us "pligs" are so reclusive and can't interact with the rest of the world, and we're so illiterate because we didn't finish the 1st grade (I'm being fascias if you didn't catch on.)

Anonymous said...

So, which is is pligs or plygs?

My spell-checker chokes on both of them.

ATAR_i said...

As I stated in a previous thread - I don't really care how many women the husbands sleep with - I care how many *adolescent* women the husbands sleep with.

Does that make sense?

And of course, as discussed before, the issues that spring from that concern me (lost boys, welfare).

If an adult chooses to follow a religion and gets screwed out of a family, home and community - so be it. Kids suffering is another matter - so the lifestyle, only in the way that it is detrimental to kids, concerns me.

However, many families lead lifestyles that are detrimental to kids, and that's a part of being an adult. You can be hurtful to your children in a very *legal* fashion (thus, nothing can be done), however, when you are hurtful to your children in an illegal fashion (adolescent marriage, kicking boys out, failure to provide) then there is something that CAN and SHOULD be done.

This is NOT just an FLDS issue (hurtful behavior to children), however, some of the particulary hurtful behaviors are endemic to the FLDS, and thus have received attention.

I swear we would leave you all alone if adolescent marriage and failure to provide for children (lost boys, welfare) were not so widespread in your community.

CLEARLY your religion can be practiced WITHOUT that sort of behavior.

onthestreet said...

The Prophets have ALWAYS separated the wheat from the tares (the rebellious children who are caught in their crimes). It goes back to Adam. It is the failure to do so that creates the society the likes of yours. CLEARLY, you cannot practice your religion without separating out the tares.

Jesus said "FEW there be that find it". I think that casts out BILLIONS of people, if only "FEW" find heaven, or eternal life. And if not life, then what?

Talk about ABUSE OF CHILDREN! America has recently MURDERED 40-MILLION CHILDREN. I would call that ABUSE, since YOU KILL THEM.

ATAR_i said...

Whatever OTS, if you want to continue to hurt kids - don't whine and cry when you're asked to pay the consequences.

onthestreet said...

Saving the children by separating the abusers from their presence does NOT hurt children (I call them children, you call them kids, which are goats. That's your take on little children).

It is by NOT separating the abusers that you abuse, and to criticize such separations continues your abuse. Then to support the KILLINGS OF LITTLE CHILDREN by the millions is the ULTIMATE ABUSE OF LITTLE CHILDREN.

Yes, the consequences must be paid. It is now underway. Support our President, for he is doing the Lord's work.

ATAR_i said...

You make absolutely no sense.

Adolescent arranged marriage is abuse.

Not taking care of underage children is abuse.

mugwump said...

I do not now nor have I ever supported abortion. The problem is that Roe vs. Wade became the law of the land and until it can be sucessfully defeated in the United States Courthouse it will remain the law of the land. I don't like it but neither do at least 48-49% of Americans.

Why don't you go get you a civics textbook, study it and attempt to understand the three basic divisions of government the Legislative, Executive and Judicial division of power. Learn what each branch can and can't do.

Seldom in American History has a national problem been resolved quickly. A groundswell of public opinion or opposition must lead the congress to enact laws, encourage the President to enable legislation by signing it into law. Then opponents of the new law will challenge it in court. The court rules on the constitutionality of the law. Once an issue has been through this process, and only after that time has the groundswell that started perhaps 50 years ago in fact become the law.

I know from what I have read that many of the mormon groups privately give lip service in opposition to the U.S. Government,especally the Fundamentalists groups. If that is so, why are you first in line for handouts and grants to fund your pet projects. Fo example: airports, sewer projects, electric power, fire departments and E.M.S., equipment to maintain streets etc. That mess down in Short Creek is just the tip of the iceburg.

Your President is doing the Lord's work????? Than why is he on the run? Why doesn't he give himself up to authorities and present evidence before a court to prove his inocence? Why is he so frightened that he surrounds himself with an army of individuals, armed with illegal weapons? Then, there is the ever present question regarding what is he doing to relieve the suffering of countless children who have no advocate to protect them from abuse by the very ones whom they are taught to trust and obey?

Why won't you answer these questions? Your failure to address the child abuse question leads itself into a quagmire of side-steping, ignoring, chosing to forget, never acknowledging the problem. You have become and are the voice of anarchy. You want the protection of the government but don't want to obey it's laws.

onthestreet said...

TAR: The Virgin Mary was 13 AT CONCEPTION. Was she abused??? Abraham ARRANGED Isaac's marriage. Was he abused??? Not taking care of criminal teenagers, is that abuse??? Like I said, you rape and kill, and you call it good. We protect our ladies' virtue and their womb, and you call it evil.

The Bible says that in The Last days Good shall be called evil and evil shall be called Good. Last I check this is exactly what is happening. ...
www.goodnewscafe.net/archive/index.php/t-2401-p-2.html

MUGS (9/08/2005 3:58 PM): No law will correct those hell-bent on doing what it would "correct". So, you play into the devil's hand, and play his game, with the vain hope that SOME DAY (maybe when the land is wiped clean), then you can stop your killing. The Lord will NOT take issues through that impossible process that you call "democracy", or the will of the people, for the Lord is intent on the WILL OF GOD. Therefore, as the scripture says, "He will rule with an iron hand", and dictate the law. That sounds very much like A DICTATOR, and an absolute dictator at that. You object to being dictated to, so the Lord is now dictating judgements to you.

This is NOT "Private" lip service in opposition to the government. You deserve the government you get, and they are God's servants. So much for your handouts. Nawlins is just the tip of the iceburgh. You say: "Your President is doing the Lord's work????? Than why is he on the run? Why won't you answer these questions". President Bush is NOT on the run. Nor do we answer to you, but you have alot to answer for. You are the voice of anarchy. This is why your government was shut down. This is why your voice and your vote has created the government you deserve, as they do God's work in helping to sweep the land clean of all who pollute their inheritance. This is why you now have the protection of the government's Patriot Act, so you can be shacked on every side, your jobs shipped out by the millions, your taxes dumped by the billions, your gas and food supplies polluted and removed, and now your very lives. It is now underway, for you have violated every law, while the FLDS people fulfill the law.

Anonymous said...

Mugwump:

There in the middle of your American Legal History lecture, you said that someone should "present evidence before a court to prove his evidence".

Not in America, we don't.

Where you coming from, Mugwump?

It ain't America.

onthestreet said...

Right so! Everyone knows that the evidence is often "Thrown out"! What's left is doctored and rammed through so fast that all you see is a blurrr.

Anonymous said...

Street your mind is what has been abused. If you had to stop talking about anything you didn't know anything about the silence would be deafening.

mugwump said...

This is becoming tiresome.

If your attorney doesn't present your just case in the opening statements made before the court, then all the evidence the accused wants, or needs to presented in the trial is denied. Attorneys are supposed to make statements in the "motions" phase of the trial. These statements are entered as "motions" before the court. Evidence can only be entered in accordance with the rules of evidence pertaining to that "motion." Only evidence that supports the original "motion" is allowed as evidence. If your attorney is not in tune with your plea, and does not present it in the form of a "motion" at the proper time it will not be admitted and you are poorly represented.

The reasons that cases or lost are two: First, the accused is proven guilty as charged. Or Second, the defense attorney did not enter the correct "motion" and substantiuate that "motion" by presenting suportive evidence to prove the innocence of the accused.

An accusation does not prove guilt.

However, a judgement will be entered in behalf of the complainant in the event the accused fails to make an appearance in court.

Courts are usually unbiased. When a case is put on the docket for trial, the trial date comes and if neither the accused nor his attorney are present, there is no one is to blame but the accused for failure to exercise his rights under the Constitution to a just and speedy trial.

Quit quoting Amendment #1 and read the whole document from the beginning. Then find a civics teacher, judge or attorney to explain anything that you didn't understand.

Do you realize that I just befriened you. Why? Because you are a nice fellow? No. Because I want to become your friend? No, I informed you of the law because my responsability as a Christian tells me that I should turn the other cheek. Is it easy? No, but I can demonstrate God's Grace by doing so. Did you do something to deserve this treatment? No, I did it because I wanted to, it's in my nature to assist those who are impaired.

Anonymous said...

Jesus said, "My yoke is easy, and my burden light."


I think the government has strayed so far from honesty, that it is a mericle if any one gets a fair trail. I think that if the money was taken out of the court system, there may be honest American law again. Until then, enjoy the war. Who of you really know the truth. How many of you voted for war. Who, even tries to live the law of Christ today?
And you can read in the Book of Morman, and it says that after the wicked are dead, they shall cry unto God to bury them. Who then can call upon God to protect them? Who will lay down their sword? War is a terrible thing. For the rightous and the wicked. Arguing over his law is sensless. It is written, "Every knee shall bend, and every toung confess, he is the Christ.

onthestreet said...

Mug: All that is the ideal of a just judicial system. But politicians will be politicians, and every citizen KNOWS there are special-interests everywhere, and biases that attorneys have to guard against continually, and who continually practice in collusion with the courts. Everyone knows that cases are retried every day, and thrown out, and reversed, and manipulated, and settled by extortion. So the prolific game goes on and on. Judges and attorneys get RICH.

Everyone's heard a good attorney joke, much like polock jokes, or used car salesmen joke, excentuating the joke of the profession itself.

Why do you think they proclaim themselves as "DEVIL'S ADVOCATES"?

onthestreet said...

Mug (9/08/2005 9:27 PM):

Ahh, your nature to insult and then befriend those you have insulted, because of your greatness and goodness and superiority. Very black and UNCHRISTIAN of you.

onthestreet said...

9/08/2005 10:38 PM

See Mug. It often does take a good lady to show forth the fine arts of Fundamental values. I lay down my argument with the senseless, yet not the s-word until the victory is won. It is not our place to beat our swords into plow-shares, for that will be done after the victory of Christ's return.

My knee bows even now, and confesses his peace and his right to rule in me. I invite YOU to join in kind. Then you follow the example of the peace of the Lord within, and not the example of the sinner that I am. Then you live the law of Christ. It is not to argue his law, but to live it. Why do you think the Prophet Warren's faithful are so quiet? They do not argue, but live it, and bow and confess before the Lord of Host day and night.

Men In Black said...

All of this religious debate reminds me of the arguments used in the Jeffs vs Stubbs case in 1987. In the end, the religious context will not hold water in a court that is seperating church and state.

By the way, wasn't the weather nice in Colorado City last week?

Since Bill Montgomery took up a position on Colorado City, I have taken up a new hobby. I think its time Warren Jeffs and Mr. Beswick meet for a subject of mutual interest. I can certainly make the drive again if Warren is willing or meet him where he isn't!

Jay Beswick

ATAR_i said...

The sexualization of children should never be done in the name of religion. It's abuse. You can GUESS how old the virgin mary was when she was betrothed - but that's about it. You don't know how old she was when she was married.

ogre said...

once again, to get back on topic:
Mr. Wisen told someone close to me that he was informed that Lyle Jeffs was now directing affairs in Colirado CIty and WIll Timpson was not in town any longer. I would appreciate any confirmation of this.
OTS et al take your annoying little whiney fight to another blog.
Every topic on this blog has been hijacked by OTS and Mugwump fightting and scripture slinging. Who is going to be the adult here???
Don't you realize you two will never change anyones mind?
OTS is just baiting the hook and you guys swallow it every time

ogre said...

by the way, atari and mib thanks for imputting something of value

mugwump said...

The point of my sast post was this: If you want to win in court, hire an attorney that will play by the rules and work diligently to prove case. Otherwise he and you will lose.

Nothing more, nothing less

mugwump said...

"a devil's advocate" is the person within a group who agrees to take a different, possibly the part of the state or the plantif. The devil's advocate thinks up ways to beat the other teams logic. Both learn a great deal from such banter.

Faithful Woman said...

One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.
Nicolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)

mugwump said...

ogre:

It's a two way street. ots doesn't know what we are talking about and we can find no substantial evidence that he has real proof to his angle.

I apologize that you think our exchanges are trivial. To me, I am sharing a testimony of the Love of Christ, nor more, no less.
Of course, it's fun to send a barb at ots when he makes an obvious blunder but, I'll do the same for you, when you goof too! My barbs are not exclusive to ots.

Men In Black said...

IS THERE ANYTHING FOR RENT CURRENTLY IN COLORADO CITY OR HILDALE? COMMERCIAL, SMALL ENOUGH TO OPERATE A OFFICE? WOULD I RENT FROM WHOM? BRUCE WISAN or L. JEFFS?

Oh by the way if tax liens are offered per the below, I might pick out the house I want early! I kind of like Truman's, its the colonial look and right across the street from the UEP community garden. I have friends with LA County Sheriff who would put up the other taxes to own a piece of the red desert.

Not paying the taxes, does not mean Warren wins, but it opens the door on whom else could live amongst the faithful. Warren is making it to easy, by playing the stubborn child!

epress;
Jeffs reportedly says no to taxes
COLORADO CITY, Ariz. - According to published reports, including the Salt Lake Tribune, Warren Jeffs, the leader of the FLDS Church, has allegedly instructed his followers to stop paying their property taxes. That includes his followers in Colorado City, Ariz. and Hildale, Utah., who pay into the United Effort Plan.
According to Ron Nicholson, the Mohave County Assessor, the United Effort Plan is one of the largest taxpayers in Mohave County, and he has never before experienced a problem with the citizens of Colorado City.
"If that thing went to lien, you can be sure there would be all kinds of investors up there, who basically are in the business of buying these tax things from clear across the country," said Nicholson. "And they would be buying that in a heartbeat, because they would figure somewhere down the road, somebody is going to pay off on those, and even if they didn't pay off, they would end up owning."
He said he isn't scheduled to visit Colorado City for another nine months. Jeffs has reportedly told his followers not to pay taxes to the UEP this year, and when the taxman comes calling to "answer them nothing." Nicholson said in all probability the UEP court assigned fiduciary would pay the tax bill, even if the citizens there refused to contribute this year.

ATAR_i said...

Jay - if you rent a place there - I'm coming to visit!

ogre said...

Jay, where is the property in Apple Valley that I hear is going to be sold for taxes?
My sister lives there and I wouldn't mind owning land closer to my family still in .

ogre said...

Mugwump:
sorry if I sounded too harsh, your devotion and zeal for your beliefs is admirable

ots: You seem to know who I am,so I assume we went to ALta Academy around the same time period. You are way off the deep end, buddy or buddess (is that a word?) Anyone who wasn't one of the elite in the group knew that Warren had a king complex all those yerars ago. If you are for real, then identify yourself, or are you following Warren by hiding behind empty words and threats?

pheew, I feel better

Men In Black said...

I'll ask Wisan aqbout which parcels were being considered. I know there was some fear that the land of the faithful would be sold out from underneath them and I heard it mentioned that there was land in AV that might be an option toward paying the taxes without threatening those occupied.

In Warren's brilliance, he may open the door to having gentiles instead of apostates living between them.

JB

ATAR_i said...

Ogre what year did you go to Alta?

Where specifically is this area in relationship to the town?

ogre said...

Alta Academy was the name of the private school located in Rulon Jeffs home in Salt Lake City.
It existed there from the mid seventies till the late 90's.
members of the group sent there children there and the teachers were all volunteers from the group.
I attended through the 80's

ATAR_i said...

How old are you? How old is warren? Did you attend as classmates?

Anonymous said...

ATAR_I asked how old is Warren Jeffs? Per the FBI he was born 03 December 1955 See FBI website for more: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/aug2005/augjeffs.htm

onthestreet said...

December is symbolic of the darkness and death of the world. Joseph AND the Jeffs brothers were born in December, and in the last or the lowest descent of light, and the most constricted. They brought the few out of darkness, preparing them for the demise of the nations, as prophesied from the beginning.

Joseph was the light for the last dispensation and the darkest. Warren is the light for the last generation of the last dispensation, and the darkest.

ATAR_i said...

It sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying.

onthestreet said...

GOOD! Mission Accomplished.

Anonymous said...

onthestreet said...
GOOD! Mission Accomplished. For I, Warren Jeffs, am the lord of flies, the servant of the devil, for I yearn for my servant onthestreet to join me with the gentlemen in the cell block shower down Huntsville, Texas way.

ROFLMAO here in Texas at you!

fttc said...

Atar

Street is following his master's edict and 'answering nothing', only his nothing is in words.

ogre said...

Warren is 16 years older than I. He was the principal of the school and was my high school algebra, computer science, geography, and history teacher.

ogre said...

In the years I attended Alta Academy, I was pretty much shunned simply because I had the wrong name. The social caste system was something disgusting to behold, and still is among the polygamists today.
If a man had pretty daughters or lots of tithing money to donate, then he was held in high esteem by the leaders. However, the leaders also had their own inner circle.
Warren has managed to create his own inner circle, but probably distrusts everyone in it. I think Warren shows signs of pranoid schizophrenia.
He enjoyed movies sports and fun when I attended school. I remember in paticular, he brought in the movie "Silverado" for us to watch in place of a paticulary boring geography test. We also went on long hikes 6 or 8 times a year and a cookout once a year. He seems to have gone off the deep end for sure.

onthestreet said...

See, he's very intelligent: A teacher of mathematics, technology, geography, history, and a whole lot more.

See, he's very entertaining as well: movies, sports, hikes, cookouts, and a whole lot more.

The real truth about the man continues to prove positive, and the lies of the enemies of the Lord become very negative against themselves. You seal your own fate.

fttc said...

A man can only fall from as high as he has climbed. It is becuase of warren's previous intelligence and knowlege that he is able to become so darkened and evil. He has used his gifts of intelligence to persue evil.

Faithful Woman said...

Back to topic: who is in charge of the warrenites left to rot in CC. (er, something like that)

I hear that Bishop Willy is back in town. At least long enough to take a bribe.

onthestreet said...

You hear this, you charge that, then you hear the opposite, and charge something else, back and forth, up and down. Even when I was a child, you could wrap things like that around your little finger. It is called a yo-yo.

mugwump said...

and he telleth lies and the truth is not in him. He selleth his prophet as the annointed one and the people wonder at the missing ofal in the paddock. Something smelleth peculiar, doeth it not?

onthestreet said...

Yes, very smelly. The scriptures that you continue to manufacture from your posterior quarters possess the rank of a dog doodle.

Shall we stick with Holy Writ, or are you still stuck on holy-shi!

fttc said...

Faithful

Who is doing the bribing?

ATAR_i said...

What kind of bribe?

GBNF said...

Atari,
I just have to comment on your post back on 9/03/2005 9:19 PM. That is beautiful! It is wonderful to see the truth come to light.
I was also impressed on your position with children in polygamist families. I think you have an excellent understanding of what is going on. Thank you for standing up for what is right!

About Mr. Wisan, how much has he gleened from the UEP? What about the stories of him getting cozy with Willy Jessop? Is Mr. Wisan another stooge for Warren?
MIB will you ask him?

onthestreet said...

Desperados grasping at straws, while licking each others' self-inflicted wounds.

onthestreet said...

Referring of course to gbnf, atar, fttc, faithless... Poor souls in search for their souls.

Anonymous said...

Question Street.... If Faithful Woman and her husband gave Warren "humble repentance" would Warren take them back?

Onewaystreet

Faithful Woman said...

snort!

Of course not. warren has already committed to too many revelations against us. Didn't you hear? Ross was going to be in the new D&C as one of the all time wicked men and at last count he and I were both on the warrenite top ten list of worst apostates. Of course, they don't realize that a person has to believe in something in order to apostatize from it.

Anonymous said...

He would take you back. How else could you be properly "adjusted."

onthestreet said...

Confidences take a lifetime to build, and only a weak moment to destroy, like a building or a tree. What you've done, you've already done, and the degree of your redemption has already been determined. He died for us all, did he not. FW is right. She can't apostatize to that degree of perdition, but only to a lower kingdom of glory. But as long as she has breath, she can improve upon that somewhat.

mugwump said...

the endorsed and sanctified treatment of children, under WJ leadership, as well as many other groups is a crime against humanity, unless you have to reach the age of accountability to become a human being.

onthestreet said...

"Sanctified under Warren Jeffs" is exactly right. You're getting there.

mugwump said...

No one can be "sanctified" except through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

Warren can't even gather a quorum on a two man submarine.

ogre said...

Mugwump:)
I think his quorum is the many voices in his head.
Oh listen!! there is someone talking to him from the other room!

mugwump said...

ogre:)

in total agreement

onthestreet said...

Then why did you confess: "the endorsed and sanctified treatment of children, under WJ leadership"?
9/14/2005 12:25 PM

YOUR WORDS!

Here, let me help you, my child: Jesus Christ is the Savior, and He refers you to undershephers and "SAVIORS" on Mount Zion. Without all the links back to Adam, you are not only without your hotdog (no increase), but you are also shitless (no cleansing).
"No chain is stronger than its weakest link". Without a complete circuit, there is NO LIGHT. The whole body of prophets, 12,000 of each tribe, is required.

mugwump said...

the point, ots is this. WJ can not sanctify anyone. He hasn't shed his blood as sacrifice, healed any sick, walked on water, raised the dead, fed the multitudes, turned water into wine, just to name a few miricles.

Were warren to be able to sanctify anyone he would have to die and rise from the dead, under his own power. In that case I would come nearer believing him antichrist, in an attempt to diefy himself. Your hopes are hitched to a wagon that's broken. The framework is split, the tongue ripped into, the single trees and double trees lost in the rocks, all wheel, including any spare ones have broken spokes, broken hubs, the axels are broken and the steel rims have rusted into. All you have is a weathered wagon box lying on the edge of a cliff. So very close to the edge that any wind averaging 5 mph will send it to the bottom of the gorge. Your pitiful belief is so absurd and your hope so indefensible that your efforts are but a weak attempt to restore life to a dying figment of society. If and when WJ dies, another, maybe you, will claim to have received revelation that you have received revelation that you are to be the prophet. No coherence, no leadership, no message of hope, nothing but condemnation for every one but yourself. You suffer from similar personality defects as did Pol Pot, Tojo, Ho Chi Mihn, Mussolini, Hitler and Kaiser Bill.

At best, you may be able to surround yourself with a pitiful band who do your will out of fear, not as an act of love. You do not know the meaning of love. You are pathetic wanna-be, a "queen" in waiting" to the man who discovered and allowed himself to be seen in the Emperor's New Clothes. Nothing in view except the skeletal bare bones of your worthless prophet, the abuser of children, the sodomite WJ.

Se my post @8:17 AM on "Anyone see CNN with Ross........."

You need a reality check.

onthestreet said...

That's the thing, you are STUCK on an idea from some rumor that a man has abused someone because he married them, and cast out the very abusers you decry and detest as we do. See?

mugwump said...

Hey queenie of the street, you still need a reality check. When rumor's wind up in court in trail then they no longer are a rumor but, a determining of the actual facts. Get straight "queenie"

Men In Black said...

OTS

Bring Warren forth so we may worship him!

MIB

rumor-has-it said...

One of the former boys from the Creek was up by the grainery's and tavern behind U. Louis's now Lyle Jeffs house. And Lyle Jeffs came up and faced him down and asked who he was. He told him and asked who he was. He was told "none of your business." (It is just a one way street to them, they can ask info but have none to give) He was told he was trespassing on private property. This x-creeker told Lyle that he was. That he had helped dig the tavern and build this house and pave these roads...and what had Lyle Jeffs or his father or brothers done to build this town? Lyle replied "God and his prophet fear no man." I can understand that God doesn't, but I know there is a certain man that is running scared.
The x-creeker said "There is room enough for all the people that ever lived here to come back, except Warren Jeffs and Isaac Jeffs. There is no room for them.
And we are coming back to the land of our birth, we will not give up.

rumor-has-it said...

Four years ago, Lyle Jeffs was in SLC with a large family, their power was turned off, they had no food, they were desperate. They were still going to Saturday projects (esp for the meals) and were donating their time and efforts and business to the building up of the "Work". Their circumstances were made known and a host of men went over and helped fix their washer and get their power on and help get some food.

Now he has taken over a "stolen" house. He never had to work or pay a penny on. He now lives in the lap of luxury on the work and dime of all the hard working families in CC. And can kick out who he pleases and give direction on things he has no business doing. ANd THEY love him for it.

What is wrong with this picture?

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with that picture? It appears to be tainted by the person painting it. What's your point,RHI?

Let me see if I got it straight.....Lyle and family were at one time poor. Yes?
Lyle and family donated time to a certain charity or church group. Yes?

People continue to give freely of their time and money to Lyle and family. Yes?
Lyle's friends learned of his circumstances and pooled resources to help him out. Yes?
Now Lyle is living a more abundant existence in a home he didn't actually BUILD. Yes?
Lyle is surrounded by people who love him. Yes?
And if what you say is true, he is in a position of spiritual leadership for these people. Right?
And they obviously love him.

What's your point?
What's the matter, RHI, are you having a touch of indigestion?

onthestreet said...

Maybe he swallowed his own run-down shack, or swallowed the black smut from his old car, or faces the righteous indignation of that woman that he has been raping. That would certainly give any man indigestion, ad infinitum.

polywatchin said...

so is Lyle the new "bishop" in CC/ Hilldale?

rumor-has-it said...

I can say that I am not reconciled.

That Louis Barlow would walk away from his beautiful family and children that were only 2, 4, 6 years old and tell his wives to do the prophets will. To give up a house that we had just got done building with him. For him. To have his family split up and not even be able to talk to them.

To have Lyle Jeffs, a nobody from SLC come in an take over and use the resources and time and effort of the hard working "slaves" to make a castle. To have him live off of the people and for them to let him direct their lives. Why do people give up their freedom so easily?

Uncle Bygnal moved into Truman Barlow's house.

Nate Jessop moved into Nephi's house.

Jake Barlow moved into Dan's house.

Lyle Jeffs moved into U. Louis's

Ralph Johnson moved into U. Alma's


Did I miss something? The only immorality and raping and plundering is being done by Warren Jeffs on a unsuspecting people.

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ogre said...

didn't the Barlow boys make there own bed, so to speak?
first of all they were the ringleaders behind the power grab in the 80's, kicking people out of ther homes and filing lawsuit after lawsuit.
They got caught in their own web of lies and weren't able to fight against the monster they created.
Do you believe in Karma???

Anonymous said...

Rumor....Louis is dead.

Only God knows what was going on in his head. When you are taught to be faithful no matter what, what can you expect. Reasoning goes out the door.

All, I know when judgement day comes Warren Jeffs, and it will come, Warren and all involved will be accountable for Louis' death.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous Coward: "When you are taught to be faithful no matter what", as you say, reasoning transcends to grace and life eternal. All you know is squat, and how to do it.

Just an Ogre (9/22/2005 11:00 AM):
The Barlow "boys" made their own heaven, and I believe they will have it. They were leaders, and in repenting of their own weaknesses are far greater leaders today. The power grab was the effort of apostates to kick us down, and they just kicked us up. You are CAUGHT in your own web of lies. The giant in Uncle Warren was created by the Lord Himself.

ogre said...

the only giant in Warren is his own ego.
The Lord dosen't talk to Warren any more than he talks to Osama

onthestreet said...

So you know exactly who is on God's contact list? Out of 6-Billion people upon the earth, how many would ever believe you? How can you make such a claim, that the Lord doesn't talk to someone? This is just a confession that he doesn't talk to you. Most people know that God does talk, but to whom is anybody's guess. Few people know, and "Few there be that find it". I'm sure you would actually agree with that.

Anonymous said...

The voices Warren hears aren't from God.

onthestreet said...

WELL THEN, BE USEFUL AND TELL PEOPLE HOW YOU KNOW FOR SURE.