FLDS Prophet Warren Jeffs may be serving life in prison, but his followers continue with their work on the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas where the group's white limestone Temple towers over the town they are building. Polygamy, the practice of plural marriage, appears to be alive and well in the Lone Star State, despite laws to the contrary.
Wednesday, August 24, 2005
the local "law enforcement"
seems the only "law" they enforce is Warren's what do we do with these cops?
I had an experience with the in-town cops where they would not uphold the law outside of what they thought the prophet wanted. They danced a whole different dance when I brought the sherrifs dept. into it! Maybe that is a recourse the people have.
me and my sisters were hanging out at the park for one of ours birthday and there was 2 "security gaurds" taking pictures of us. I thought that was pretty stupid and i wanted to thorw a fit at one of them but my sisters wouldnt let me..oh ya and none of us are part of warrens people thats why. and we were hangin out with our cousins who are part of his group. crazy eh?
What I was referring to was when I was still "in". It turned out they weren't even doing what the prophet wanted. Sam Roundy went to Uncle Rulon about my situation and Uncle told him to go do his job and uphold the law. That is why I laughed so hard at Sam's statement in the paper that he does not let religion dictate his job. Oh! maybe he meant he doesn't do it anymore!?
Yeah, I can tell you that when I was there, many many times when I went to see Uncle Rulon, the local police force were all there in uniform to report to him all the law enforcement issues and who was in trouble legally so he could reprimand them religiously. I know they also did the same thing when Warren came into power (about two years before Uncle Rulon actually died) and that he used that information to disfellowship people and kick young men out of town. I have personal knowledge of a group of young people who committed a misdemeaner, got caught by the cops and then got called on the carpet in front of His Holiness Himself to "confess".
Kinda makes you sick knowing that the cops are abusing their power and authority that way. It seems like that that is some kind of legal or moral no-no. Anyone have information about that? Whether they can be reprimanded for passing on official police business to religious officials?
I mean, in "normal" places, if a cop told a boy's minister on him, what would be the repercussions?
I don't see a problem with an officer going to the boy's minister to try to help the boy. Sometimes that is more effective than the legal system. The officer also should follow the mandate of the law. If there is a fine stipulated for the infraction the officer is obligated to follow it through in spite of his making the minister aware of it also.
The problem I see in CC is that the police ignore the law they are sworn to uphold and go to the "minister" to see how to enforce it. An officer's job is to enforce the law, not to interpret or decide how to apply it.
It would be the judge's job to decide if the minister's help is sufficient for the boy.
You are correct. The police force is not allowed to disclose a child (or an adults) legal dealings with a minister. If, specifically asked to do so by the interested party (and not the parent), it would not be something they would 'just get up and do'. They would have to be a friend, or someone close enough to the family to expose themselves in that manner. Everyone in the situation would have to agree to it.
Law Enforcement is required to follow a protocol of reporting, so on one hand their hands are tied. However this said they are required to report on sexual predators to update the states data base and we all know whom the convicted predators are and at last check, they were not in the states data base. Also yearly LE is required to report statistical data to the feds from processing stats for a yearly publication on crime statistics, something that has slipped through the cracks for years.
The agency collecting via the FBI and local agencies is "Bureau of Justice Statistics" and the publication is the "Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics", where City by city, Colorado City is still invisible, I guess "no crimes there"!
SO, IS THERE STILL SOME LAST NAME BLACK'S THAT STILL OWN PROPERTY THAT WOULD RENT A SMALL BUILDING OR OFFICE IN HILDALE OR COLORADO CITY? ITS TIME THAT SOME GENTILE BUSINESSES CONSIDER SETTING UP SHOP. COME ON, IT WILL GIVE BOTH SIDES SOMETHING TO PONDER AND QUESTION. SPY ON IF YOU PREFER! WITH A SHRINKING ECONOMY, SOME NEED SUCH FOR GOSSIP AND PROPHETIC WONDER! Yep Gentiles upon the land, but then again Warren doesn't want the taxes paid, so why should any one really care?
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don't even bother asking the cops for help in this town if you're not with warren
I had an experience with the in-town cops where they would not uphold the law outside of what they thought the prophet wanted. They danced a whole different dance when I brought the sherrifs dept. into it! Maybe that is a recourse the people have.
YES!!!
Call Mohave County, file reports and complaints with them.
C.C. cops are crooked as hell!!
me and my sisters were hanging out at the park for one of ours birthday and there was 2 "security gaurds" taking pictures of us. I thought that was pretty stupid and i wanted to thorw a fit at one of them but my sisters wouldnt let me..oh ya and none of us are part of warrens people thats why. and we were hangin out with our cousins who are part of his group. crazy eh?
three posts and nothing said.
Mrs. Faithful Woman
What do think of all the reporting of small children accidentally dieing?
Is the Twin City Print Shop still put out a monthly news letter?
Onewaystreet
Faithful
What I was referring to was when I was still "in". It turned out they weren't even doing what the prophet wanted. Sam Roundy went to Uncle Rulon about my situation and Uncle told him to go do his job and uphold the law. That is why I laughed so hard at Sam's statement in the paper that he does not let religion dictate his job. Oh! maybe he meant he doesn't do it anymore!?
Yeah, I can tell you that when I was there, many many times when I went to see Uncle Rulon, the local police force were all there in uniform to report to him all the law enforcement issues and who was in trouble legally so he could reprimand them religiously. I know they also did the same thing when Warren came into power (about two years before Uncle Rulon actually died) and that he used that information to disfellowship people and kick young men out of town. I have personal knowledge of a group of young people who committed a misdemeaner, got caught by the cops and then got called on the carpet in front of His Holiness Himself to "confess".
Kinda makes you sick knowing that the cops are abusing their power and authority that way. It seems like that that is some kind of legal or moral no-no. Anyone have information about that? Whether they can be reprimanded for passing on official police business to religious officials?
I mean, in "normal" places, if a cop told a boy's minister on him, what would be the repercussions?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't see a problem with an officer going to the boy's minister to try to help the boy. Sometimes that is more effective than the legal system. The officer also should follow the mandate of the law. If there is a fine stipulated for the infraction the officer is obligated to follow it through in spite of his making the minister aware of it also.
The problem I see in CC is that the police ignore the law they are sworn to uphold and go to the "minister" to see how to enforce it. An officer's job is to enforce the law, not to interpret or decide how to apply it.
It would be the judge's job to decide if the minister's help is sufficient for the boy.
You are correct. The police force is not allowed to disclose a child (or an adults) legal dealings with a minister. If, specifically asked to do so by the interested party (and not the parent), it would not be something they would 'just get up and do'. They would have to be a friend, or someone close enough to the family to expose themselves in that manner. Everyone in the situation would have to agree to it.
Violations of privacy are pretty big complaints
Law Enforcement is required to follow a protocol of reporting, so on one hand their hands are tied. However this said they are required to report on sexual predators to update the states data base and we all know whom the convicted predators are and at last check, they were not in the states data base. Also yearly LE is required to report statistical data to the feds from processing stats for a yearly publication on crime statistics, something that has slipped through the cracks for years.
The agency collecting via the FBI and local agencies is "Bureau of Justice Statistics" and the publication is the "Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics", where City by city, Colorado City is still invisible, I guess "no crimes there"!
MIB
"knocking at the back door"
SO, IS THERE STILL SOME LAST NAME BLACK'S THAT STILL OWN PROPERTY THAT WOULD RENT A SMALL BUILDING OR OFFICE IN HILDALE OR COLORADO CITY? ITS TIME THAT SOME GENTILE BUSINESSES CONSIDER SETTING UP SHOP. COME ON, IT WILL GIVE BOTH SIDES SOMETHING TO PONDER AND QUESTION. SPY ON IF YOU PREFER! WITH A SHRINKING ECONOMY, SOME NEED SUCH FOR GOSSIP AND PROPHETIC WONDER! Yep Gentiles upon the land, but then again Warren doesn't want the taxes paid, so why should any one really care?
MIB
MIB :
Email me and I can tell you how to get a hold of the Blacks who are landowners
Would you be upset?
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