Wednesday, August 24, 2005

the local "law enforcement"

seems the only "law" they enforce is Warren's what do we do with these cops?

25 comments:

red rocks girl said...
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red rocks girl said...

don't even bother asking the cops for help in this town if you're not with warren

fttc said...

I had an experience with the in-town cops where they would not uphold the law outside of what they thought the prophet wanted. They danced a whole different dance when I brought the sherrifs dept. into it! Maybe that is a recourse the people have.

Anonymous said...

YES!!!
Call Mohave County, file reports and complaints with them.
C.C. cops are crooked as hell!!

Anonymous said...

me and my sisters were hanging out at the park for one of ours birthday and there was 2 "security gaurds" taking pictures of us. I thought that was pretty stupid and i wanted to thorw a fit at one of them but my sisters wouldnt let me..oh ya and none of us are part of warrens people thats why. and we were hangin out with our cousins who are part of his group. crazy eh?

onthestreet said...

So, did you say cheese, or are you saying they scared the cheese outaya.

onthestreet said...

There are perhaps 50,000 members of polygamist families in Utah today, about 5,000 of them in Mr. Allred's church, the state says. Utah's population is 2.2 million. Old Testament prophets and early members of the Mormon Church, like Smith and Young, practiced polygamy.

Senator Orrin G. Hatch is the great-grandson of a polygamist, and Gov. Michael O. Leavitt, who once said polygamy might enjoy protection as a religious freedom, is the great-great-grandson of a polygamist. Hatch said, ''I wouldn't throw accusations around unless you know they're true.

''I'm not here to justify polygamy,'' he said. ''All I can say is, I know people in Hildale who are polygamists who are very fine people. You come and show me evidence of children being abused there and I'll get involved. Bring the evidence to me.''

Hatch said he could not take unsubstantiated claims and enforce law, and he would not ''sit here and judge anybody just because they live differently than me.

Former Utah Governor Michael Leavitt, now serving as U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services, suggested prosecution of polygamists has been shelved by Utah and other states for legal reasons. Plural marriage may be protected by the First Amendment as an expression of religion.

That argument has been rejected repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court, notes University of Utah law professor Michael McConnell.
Although those decisions date back decades, McConnell said, ``even today, I suspect there would be no protection under the free-exercise [of religion] clause of the First Amendment.''

He added: ``Polygamists have a better shot under modern privacy doctrines . . . against a backdrop where the state does not prosecute people for cohabitation.''

Leavitt's freedom-of-religion comments have won applause from an unlikely source -- the American Civil Liberties Union, which long has contended the government ought to stay out of citizens' private lives.

``How are you going to go out and prosecute polygamists. . . . It's totally impractical,'' said Carol Gnade, director of the ACLU's Utah chapter. ``The governor couldn't have articulated the issues better.

onthestreet said...

Civil rights lawyer Brian Barnard, who represents three Salt Lake County residents who are challenging Utah's ban on plural marriage, believes the state machinery is aimed at polygamy.
He cites the states' moves to decertify two officers on the twin cities' joint police force because of their practice of plural marriage. "That seems to be real close to prosecuting people for polygamy."

Barnard also believes that Utah's move to take control of the assets of the United Effort Plan trust sets a dangerous precedent.
"The government should not be involved in policing religious groups' use of their consecrated funds," he said. "The attorney general has chosen an unpopular group to attack, in the hopes there will be no public opposition.

"What if the next attorney general is biased against another religious group? Should the state of Utah intervene and make sure the Scientologists are using their resources 'correctly?' " Barnard said.

"Today, the fundamentalists, tomorrow the Jehovah's Witnesses?"
After all, he points out, it's happened before: The LDS Church disavowed plural marriage after the federal government threatened to confiscate its assets."Personal religious beliefs and practices, and the internal functioning of churches must be beyond the control of government," Barnard said. "The First Amendment so provides."

David Zolman, a former state representative from Taylorsville, suggested in 1999 that authorities build a bridge to the then-insular polygamist communities. Aside from plural marriage, he said, most are law-abiding people.

Anonymous said...

three posts and nothing said.

Faithful Woman said...

Some of the FLDS themselves had troubles getting the cc cops to do their job.

I can say that they were jonny-on-the-spot when a child was lost and made a very through search till that child was found.

Anonymous said...

Mrs. Faithful Woman
What do think of all the reporting of small children accidentally dieing?

Is the Twin City Print Shop still put out a monthly news letter?

Onewaystreet

fttc said...

Faithful

What I was referring to was when I was still "in". It turned out they weren't even doing what the prophet wanted. Sam Roundy went to Uncle Rulon about my situation and Uncle told him to go do his job and uphold the law. That is why I laughed so hard at Sam's statement in the paper that he does not let religion dictate his job. Oh! maybe he meant he doesn't do it anymore!?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I can tell you that when I was there, many many times when I went to see Uncle Rulon, the local police force were all there in uniform to report to him all the law enforcement issues and who was in trouble legally so he could reprimand them religiously. I know they also did the same thing when Warren came into power (about two years before Uncle Rulon actually died) and that he used that information to disfellowship people and kick young men out of town. I have personal knowledge of a group of young people who committed a misdemeaner, got caught by the cops and then got called on the carpet in front of His Holiness Himself to "confess".

Kinda makes you sick knowing that the cops are abusing their power and authority that way. It seems like that that is some kind of legal or moral no-no. Anyone have information about that? Whether they can be reprimanded for passing on official police business to religious officials?

I mean, in "normal" places, if a cop told a boy's minister on him, what would be the repercussions?

fttc said...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't see a problem with an officer going to the boy's minister to try to help the boy. Sometimes that is more effective than the legal system. The officer also should follow the mandate of the law. If there is a fine stipulated for the infraction the officer is obligated to follow it through in spite of his making the minister aware of it also.

The problem I see in CC is that the police ignore the law they are sworn to uphold and go to the "minister" to see how to enforce it. An officer's job is to enforce the law, not to interpret or decide how to apply it.

It would be the judge's job to decide if the minister's help is sufficient for the boy.

Faithful Woman said...

OneWayStreet

There were some children who accidentally died. But as far as I saw it, they were legitimate accidents. No hankey-panky going on.

Faithful Woman said...

ps

You can leave off the "Mrs."

Not to be ungratefull or anything, but it sounds too much like "Aunt", and these days that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. I may get over it some day, but trauma is trauma.

onthestreet said...

Faithless Woman said (regarding the CC police): I can say that they were jonny-on-the-spot when a child was lost and made a very through search till that child was found. 8/26/2005 12:13 PM

Now that's a faithful statement. You're right. This demonstrates their tremendous care for the women and their children, after all the lies of those who were CAUGHT abusing their women and children, and cast out.

See, even apostates and devils have bits and pieces of truth hidden amidst their plethora of lies.

onthestreet said...

Yes, it was the trauma.

ATAR_i said...

You are correct. The police force is not allowed to disclose a child (or an adults) legal dealings with a minister. If, specifically asked to do so by the interested party (and not the parent), it would not be something they would 'just get up and do'. They would have to be a friend, or someone close enough to the family to expose themselves in that manner. Everyone in the situation would have to agree to it.

Violations of privacy are pretty big complaints

Men In Black said...

Law Enforcement is required to follow a protocol of reporting, so on one hand their hands are tied. However this said they are required to report on sexual predators to update the states data base and we all know whom the convicted predators are and at last check, they were not in the states data base. Also yearly LE is required to report statistical data to the feds from processing stats for a yearly publication on crime statistics, something that has slipped through the cracks for years.

The agency collecting via the FBI and local agencies is "Bureau of Justice Statistics" and the publication is the "Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics", where City by city, Colorado City is still invisible, I guess "no crimes there"!

MIB
"knocking at the back door"

Men In Black said...

SO, IS THERE STILL SOME LAST NAME BLACK'S THAT STILL OWN PROPERTY THAT WOULD RENT A SMALL BUILDING OR OFFICE IN HILDALE OR COLORADO CITY? ITS TIME THAT SOME GENTILE BUSINESSES CONSIDER SETTING UP SHOP. COME ON, IT WILL GIVE BOTH SIDES SOMETHING TO PONDER AND QUESTION. SPY ON IF YOU PREFER! WITH A SHRINKING ECONOMY, SOME NEED SUCH FOR GOSSIP AND PROPHETIC WONDER! Yep Gentiles upon the land, but then again Warren doesn't want the taxes paid, so why should any one really care?

MIB

ogre said...

MIB :
Email me and I can tell you how to get a hold of the Blacks who are landowners

onthestreet said...

What! You gunna buy some dirt!

ATAR_i said...

Would you be upset?

onthestreet said...

Sounds more like set-up.