Tuesday, August 09, 2005
The First Law of Heaven
One day I was talking to a wise man that had moved from SLC to CC and I asked him " What is the first law of Heaven?" His reply was "Obedience". I was not taught that, so I told him I understood it to be to Love God and Love your Neighbors. As I was remembering this, I looked it up on the computer. Uncle Rulon quoted many times that the first law of Heaven was obedience. But U. Roy always said, The first law of heaven is Obedience to the two great commandments of : Love God and Love your neighbor.
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WOW!
OTS got one right!
Whowouldathunkit?
Of course, obedience to a fals prophet doesn't help you at all.
NEWS FLASH OTS! God is many things... But I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, GOD is not YOU!
Faithful woman:
The Bible is supposedly a written history, although the first stories were written around 400 AD.
But it has been used by men to create religion and control over others.
LTG
Land
Don't be offended.
If you come here to find out what makes fundamentalists tick you have to accept the fact that we believe certain books to be scripture. You don't have to believe them but the only way you will undrerstand us is to have some idea what the foundation for our faith is.
I don't defend Street in most of his quotes because he does not quote exact. He takes a word here and there and extrapolates the rest. Often completely perverting the truth. But the books he claims to quote are our scriptures.
I'm with you 100% on the "better than you" stuff, and the blind belief. I understand you a little more now.
Buzzardbreath sayeth:
If thou doest not well, thou shalt have thy schizophrenic propheteth condemeth youreth every deedeth and thoughteth. Accordingeth to OTSeth, and his palaverdth of nonsenseth, thou shalt looseth thy placeth in the bigeth chance to liveth with Jeffs in a continual state of blissful copulation.
(having a little problem with the lisp)
No doubt IN heaven there is perfect obedience. Here on earth, however, those who cow-tow OBEDIENTLY to the corrupt powers that be are not as RIGHTEOUS as those who REBEL in DISOBEDIENCE to the coruptions. Right? Just wanted to put things in perspective.
Adam disobeyed the commandment given to him and was cast out of the garden. Yet he was a very righteous man who had to disobey a lesser commandment to remain obedient to a higher commandment.
Eve said, "Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient."
Us poor humans saved by the Jesus' sacrific by way of the cross will be over the Angels, Street. Didn't you read your Hebrew and Greek?
By the way Street, Michael is an Archangel, no more no less. Michael, Lucifer and Gabriel.
What of the cross Street. You don't talk of it at all. Why.....
I am sooooo curious about your answer!
OK OTS what you smokin over there with your Malkhut and Binah.
Just plain weird man - just plain weird.
OTS even if I wrote and had a PhD in ancient Hebrew I'd still be sniffing your clothes for illegal substances - you can't make sense in English and you completely crash and burn in Hebrew as well.
Just using my God given senses - since your a pro choice, pro feminist, astrology loving, new age polygamist wiccan - I would'nt think you would have a problem with that.
And, dogs tend to smell your privates - I'd avoid those areas, just your general aroma (because I have a nose) gives you away.
Mugwump: I was wondering about your comment on crosses. So I asked my Catholic wife "Why are the crosses and an image of Jesus hanging on a cross important"? She didn't know, other than they've always been around her parents and grandparents house. It kind of reminds everyone of the bad old days.
We have a few crosses in our house but they are considered 'art'. She has them around because her parents had them around.
So, just because a religion doesn't have crosses doesn't mean they have left Jesus behind, it just means that the symbol of the cross doesn't mean the same to that religion as it does to you. It doesn't mean that any religion is better or worse than any other.
I myself would rather have a beer sign hanging on my wall, but that's just me. We all have our cross to bear.
Long Time Gone
Interesting about the crosses - while I don't have them lying about (Ok I admit I have a few rosaries - am I catholic - no - but I think they are pretty and I wear them with regular outfits).
Of course - my catholic friend just laughs at me and says only the old lady catholics would be caught dead with one on (but I don't care, I think they're pretty).
I didn't realize that LDS doesn't have a cross in it. Normally, that wouldn't bother me. However, if the rationale for it's ommission is because it has been discounted - and it's meaning isn't important - that would bother me. It's actual physical presence is not important (long time and I agree about that).
Mugwump there's an old saying:
"I won't swim in your toilet if you won't pee in my pool"
Coming in here to do SMITH'S PERVERSION is like peeing in the pool.
Go swim somewhere else, if you can't hold it. This ain't the place for that.
All anyone here heard you say was.. I am predjudice and.. I won't accept a smidgen of truth. The rest got lost in the rhetoric.
Wow--that's worse than the news media for taking out of context and saying somethat exactly opposite.
Clouds.
Harps.
Singing.
Rest. Forever.
Mugwump has worked SOOOOO hard during his/her/its 60-90 years on Earth that it will take FOREVER to rest up, even with a perfect body.
We are every bit as sure you are wrong about Joseph Smith as you are sure that you are right. Maybe even more sure.
So what the hell would it hurt to just shut up about it. It won't hurt us any, either way, and it might even help you in the long run.
It for sure isn't going to help anyone to go the blaspheme ridicule route.
"confidential password and introduction"
If that is your idea of John 14:6 - I prefer the ACTUAL scripture. And, I don't need to be FLDS or love warren.
6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Mugwump
Faithful's question piqued my interest. We too live and hope to see our Saviour face to face. But then what? What is our purpose here by your belief? Why did God create us? Are we just a whim that he had or is there some purpose to our existence? This may be the wrong place for this but I am curious.
If you choose not to answer here and feel to do it email at fttcrack@hotmail.com.
Mugwump
Thank you for your testimony. I think I understand your emphasis on Jesus' love for all of us. With all due respect what do you expect to do in the next life? Is there any progress? How does our being swallowed up in His love make him any greater? Make us any greater? What is accomplished?
Forgive the many questions. I just think if I can understand better where you are coming from your words will have greater relevance to me and others.
It was Lorenzo Snow that first came up with those exact words. He received it through inspiration while pondering on the scriptures and the revelations revealed through Joseph Smith. He kept it to himself however until he could talk to Joseph. Joseph declared it to be true and later taught it publicly and expounded further on it. You cannot find those exact words in the Bible.
Read the King Follet funeral discourse. DHC 6:306-7 also found in JD Volume 6 can't remember exact page. Extracts are also in TPJS 342-362.
God created us for his pleasure Rev 4:11
He is pleased when we offer ourselves, as living sacrifices (emphasis living). Meaning, live a life worthy of him by glorifying his name in all things. Romans 12:1
I editorialized because I don't have my Bible handy to direct quote.
Atar
So is glorifying his name here on earth (I suppose you mean giving him the credit for all good things and obeying his commands) all there is? What is our reward in the hereafter assuming we are faithful?
Mugwump
Thank you for sharing your beliefs with me. I think our idea of heaven is not so different. It is interesting though that you say it is unsupported by anything else when you have leaned so heavy on the scripture in the past. Of course I realize you used Daniel and John.
My intention is not to challenge your belief system. It is only to understand it. I think there are many things the Lord has not revealed to us. Whether we are LDS, FLDS, Protestant, Catholic or otherwise we have a tendency to think we know more than we do. I appreciate your candor in admitting that you do not know all. None of us do.
FTTC,
I wouldn't say that glorifying God in everything is a small task, but rather it's nothing less than a lifetimes work.
As far as understanding our reward in heaven for being faithful and glorifying God - I don't think my human mind can comprehend what God has in store.
I wish I could tell you something more concrete. When I was younger I remember thinking of heaven as a place with piles of ice cream, candy and cookies - because that was what paradise would be to me as a child.
I suppose we tend to make heaven something we can understand, but I'm certain Gods plans and ideas are so much better.
The greatest joy on Earth can be found in the service of others.
I believe that those in Heaven will have a greatly increased capacity and opportunity to serve God through serving others.
That makes Heaven a place of "work".
Perhaps we would work, perhaps not - I know there is no sickness and disease. He made the garden of Eden without weeds, so would he make a physical garden - would we even eat? I don't know. I don't believe any of you can answer that for me either. I'll just have to wait and see.
Because I don't know the goodness of God's plans, does not mean I do not believe. My expression is one that speaks forth - his plans, are not my plans, his thoughts, are not my thoughts - they are so much bigger, and greater, and more splendorous.
I am not arrogant enough to believe I have the same understanding as God. You can tease me for this, and call me an unbeliever. But the bottom line is....I'm not. I believe in God, I believe that Jesus was his son, and that God raised him from the dead, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I believe what the Bible asks me to believe - and am not bound by all the trappings you set forth.
May I quote that? Here for posterity I'll cut and paste
"onthestreet said...
You're okay.
8/28/2005 1:49 PM "
You said this right after my post - I'm assuming you're speaking to me or was it mugwump?
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