Thursday, July 14, 2005

THE DESTRUCTIONS

I started writing a list of the people that Warren Jeffs has kicked out. Could you help me get them all?

In my opinion, this is the destructions that have been prophesied. One will be taken and the other left.

150 comments:

rumor-has-it said...

Sterling Harker
Dan Fischer
Ernie Jessop
Dave Harker
Alvin Harker

Louis Barlow
Dan Barlow
Truman Barlow
Roland Barlow
Thomas Barlow
Art Barlow
Doug Cooke
Bill Knudson
Jethro Barlow
Alma Barlow
Howard Meldrum

rumor-has-it said...

Lloyd Wall
Fred Lindsey
Ross Chatwin
Guy Draper
Blaine Jeffs
Winston Blackmore
Albert Council
Art Blackmore
John Roy Jessop
Leon Jessop
John Johnson
Dell Barlow
Joe C Jessop
Edwin Barlow

rumor-has-it said...

Royal Cooke
Bill Shapley
Allen Steed
Nephi Steed
Leroy Jeffs
Sidney Barlow ?

Anonymous said...

everyone who tried to save there family and love there wife.( wives)

rumor-has-it said...

Alex Barlow
Jed Barlow
Carson Barlow
Nephi Barlow
Peter Barlow
Preston A Barlow
Roland Barlow
Mace Church
David Cook
Rollie Cooke
Moroni Draper
Nephi Draper
Erwin Fischer
Don Holm
Richard Holm
James Dockstader
David Jeffs
Wallace Jeffs
Beck Jessop
Jerry Jessop Jr
Garth Jessop
Hyrum Jessop
Val Jessop
Charles Johnson
Spencer Johnson
Frank Johnson
Gary Johnson
Philip Mackert
Carl Richter
Wayland Wyler
Ron Robock
Dan Wayman
Dale Wight
isaac Wyler
I just have an old phone book. Please help if you know any more names.

Anonymous said...

THOUGHT FOR TODAY. If you find your self trying to win, stop. Because somebody has to lose. This whole culture is set up this way. We have got to win, which means we are going to lose. It means that we cannot even hope to connect with each other.

Anonymous said...

Robert Blackmore also got the boot.

onthestreet said...

Only try to win in the Lord. Then it is win-win, not win-lose. And then, what does "win" mean. For saints, for the FLDS, it means to lose the worldly, and gain the spirit, to sacrifice all earthly things. So with the help of the FBI, maybe they can help us win, take what they may.

Anonymous said...

what about people booted over 2 yrs ago?

ATAR_i said...

Winning or Losing or in this case - making it to heaven or not. It's not a group thing. God looks at the heart. Meaning - you might be in the right group, but have the wrong heart - or in the wrong group with the right heart.

So - the old phrase.

"It's not wether you win or lose, it's how you play the game" (of life), I think is appropriate here.

Anonymous said...

Jarred Barlow
Joseph Blackmore
Arthur Barlow
Larry Steed
Marvin Wyler
Nephi Jeffs

Anonymous said...

Hey street my toaster gets more insperation from God than Warren

onthestreet said...

Well put, Atari

Anonymous said...

All children are Christ's. If you are not in that group, you are not here.

Think about this: If you have to win you have caused someone to lose.

God is not upon a compitition.
If you have to win, some-one has to lose. We are here for experiences.
Who have you conected too?
Who have you met that you said, I feel like I have known you for the longest time. And you are comfortable with them? But in the greatest comfort is a conection with your self.
It is in the conection of yourself with Christ. It is in conection with what God intended you to be. He did not intend for you to lose. You came here to have experiences. You are upon the path of eternity. And when you think about it, if life is a game, then you are still unconected, but to be unconected is also an experience. To be at peace,
To be perfect, is to be conected with yourself, and God. And who but you and he can truly say you lost? You can be guided, or critazised, but who makes the choice to truly win or lose. And then you would be in compitition with yourself. You then are on a path. Who have you conected too. I think conecting to yourself, is a winning cue. Then all are winners too.

R2K said...

Ay yo, nice page!

Anonymous said...

William Steed
Joseph Steed
Richard Steed

Anonymous said...

Lehi Steed

Anonymous said...

Jay L & Cathy Jessop
I put her name down cuz she's the one who held the priesthood in the family.

Anonymous said...

Goddess is Priesthood and Priesthood is Goddess.

Anonymous said...

"Don't fix what ain't Baroque." I would follow her before I'd follow warren.

Anonymous said...

You bastard, whoever said that about Kath. She is the most awesome woman alive. She has more fire and personality in her little finger than you have in your whole stupid family. Plus, she still has a very strong testimony, which is more than I can say for you, you slimy coward.

Anonymous said...

yah her testimony is strong right now but when she wakes up and finds out that warren has no use for her or any of the other she well hat him more than any body else

Anonymous said...

warren has no use for any of the people that he has kicked out his people well till you that warren loves us but you know words are cheep i we well bleave it when we see it.

Anonymous said...

David Draper
matt Draper
Ezra Draper
Todd Nielsen
Dan Woodruff

Anonymous said...

Lee Bistline Sr.
Daniel Bistline
Jason Bistline
Curtis Barlow
Doug Barlow Jr.
Rulon(Pud)Jessop
Marce Jessop
Ashley Jessop
Joseph Dutson
Austin Bistline

Anonymous said...

Warren Johnson (Johns)
Lester Johnson
Oscar Jessop
Kevin Jessop
Roy Cooke
Charlie Cooke

Anonymous said...

And how could anyone forget Ron and John Rohbock

Anonymous said...

Josh Johnson
Don Carlos Johnson
Mark Copeland

Anonymous said...

Leslie Bistline
Verl Cooke

Anonymous said...

Dear Rumor

You said "In my opinion, this is the destructions that have been prophesied. One will be taken and the other left."

This is not a prophesy from God.
It one made up and produced by Warren. He is making it happen because his followers let it happen. If they had of stood up like the Chatwins and others and said NO, things would different. No destruction, except for Warren's blood pressure.

Uncle Rulon prophized one day there would be no more church meetings. Well, Warren made that one happen, also.

Now if Warren prophesied it would rain for 40 days and 40 nights frogs and then stopped. That would be a prophesy. Something out of man's control, but in God's.


God does not need people like Warren to help him dole out punishment. God is quite capable of doing that himself, in most unique ways.

God hates sin, but he does not hate the Sinner.

Anonymous said...

My God! All these people? Has warboy let any of these people back in and gave their wives back?

LTG

Anonymous said...

What about the Waymans and Mussers

Anonymous said...

and Barlow Quinton

Anonymous said...

Who is Larry Steed? Is that Lawrence Steed, the principal?

rumor-has-it said...

I didn't start paying attention tell it hit home. I would like to know of anyone who has left too...like teenagers. (Not necessarily kicked out, just couldn't keep the vision)

rumor-has-it said...

I don't know of anyone that got their families back. Paul Holm got warned to leave his apostate children alone and then got another wife so he must of repented.

Anonymous said...

did scott rohbock get booted?

rumor-has-it said...

That's 109 men, most with out families. No wonder Warren Jeffs can't sleep at night.

onthestreet said...

Okay, 109 men branching out, out of 10,000 people. Let see. . . my fingers are a flying. . . Wait up! Okay, I got it! That's about a 1% relocation rate.

Now, what is the relocation rate of other cities in America? I believe it is about 20%. Okay, them fingers are a flyin again. . . Hold your horses. . . It only takes a jiffy: Okay, that's a 2,000% greater relocation rate than the good fokes at Colorado City.

No wonder yawll can't sleep at nights. No wonder your medical profession has declared stress-related heart-failure as the top killer in America. You all got ants in your pants, and those big buggers can bite the tinyest thingy.

Yah, our people are on the move, making adjustments, making corrections, making plans, and taking leaps and bounds. Yet, in your antsy scuttling about the country-side, at a 2,000 percent higher rate that the cricker- critters, you seem to be stuck in a mindset that has you bound in bundles to be burned. I would call that crispy-critters.

Anonymous said...

street- You are not helping WSJ with all your flyin' fingers. You only make it seem like everyone who follows him is loopy. Let it be known that not all in CC are of that ilk. And you ought to let more qualified people defend him.

Anonymous said...

Out in the "real world" you have a 00.00% rate of people told to abandon their families.

divaqs said...

One question....
Are all these fathers required to pay child-support?

Is Warren creating a climate of "dead beat Dads"?

Will the states of Utah and Colorado eventually go after these fathers for covering some of the "Welfare" expenses?

So many broken families.... so much heartache.... so much confusion... so much distrust... How could anyone think this to be the work of God?

Anonymous said...

It is written, Mother will be against daughter, father agaist father, STATE, against state. nation against nation, country against country. Joeseph Smith said, there will be war and famine and earth quake. There will be war and rumors of war. Mens hearts will fail them. HE said, the sea will over throw its bounds. There will be golf size hail stones. Contentions will be upon the land. You hear of war and rumor of war, but little do you know the hearts of men in your own country. NO MAN IS SO SPECIAL IN GODS EYES THAT THEY CAN SIN AND BE EXALTED. We have been a traditionated people. Who then will live the law of christ. I do not supose that any one of these people are cut of from Christ except to the extent they choose to be so. AS YOUR FAITH IS SO SHALL IT BE. THE DROUGHT IS BACK UPON THE DESERT. WHO CAN AFFORD TO FIGHT THIS CHRIST. I HAVE SEARChED MY HEART AND FEEL TO REPENT. WE HAVE A PROPHET IN ZION. WE HAVE HAD A PROPHET IN ZION SINCE JOESEPH'S DAY. THE QUESTION IS: WHO WILL THE PEOPLE OF ZION BE?

Anonymous said...

Oh! They are in Missouri, like it was prophecied.

rumor-has-it said...

Snugz USA has changed to Eagle Craft. It has relocated to Henerson, Nevada. Families have relocated too. Tennyson Barlow, Boyd Roundy, LaMar Johnson.

Just rumors...but secrets are Warren's game. His greatest advantage is secrets and if we tell they are secrets no longer.

rumor-has-it said...

And the Three Men that died of a broken heart...
Louis Barlow
Con Holm
Erwin Fischer

rumor-has-it said...

And many Thanks to Greg Holm. He helped wake up alot of people. And then told us he was going to prepare a way for Uncle Rulon to get out of this mess. He died and exactly one month later Uncle Rulon died.

Ron Barlow
John Barlow
Mike Barlow

These guys were on the verge of leaving when their plane crashed.

Anonymous said...

Brother Bill Roundy was one of the first. It happened before Uncle Rulon died but after his strokes. Warren was the force behind it. Then there are his sons and thier families.

Guy
Kam
Jacob

All very faithful men.

Anonymous said...

My uncle, Dixon Kapcsos. Atleast that's what I heard. But I'm not FLDS, so what I say isn't true.

It's crazy, some of these guys are my age (26) or younger. Sad, sad, sad.

Anonymous said...

what about Scott Rohbock???????????????

divaqs said...

So has this mass expulsion touched almost every family?

Fathers gone... newly designated wives... new siblings... siblings brother's kicked out?

Can anyone really think that the Lord is so prejudiced against men that so many men and so few women would be expelled from his "chosen"? Or is there a belief that women don't sin?

onthestreet said...

"Why count ye the dead among the living?

Anonymous said...

This is a list of the men whose women stood with them

Jethro Barlow
Art Blackmore
Winston Blackmore
JL Jessop
Royal Cooke
Guy Draper
Garth Jessop
Marce Jessop
Howard Meldrum(one wife)
Bill Knudson
Rolland Cooke
Issac Wyler (although she left him later, she didnt return to CC)
Carl Richter
Spencer Johnson
Evan Johnson
Jed Barlow
Mace Church
Lloyd Wall(one wife)
Ezera Draper (I think she left him later, as well)
Lester Johnson
Mark Copeland
Robert Richter
Phil Mackert Sr (she joined him later, but that still counts!)

And one more person to applaude..
Clarence Wayman, who chose to go with his family, even though he was not kicked out, when his family was.

Did I leave anyone out?

I admire and respect the families that chose to stay together! Congratulations to these couragous women and families!!!!

Anonymous said...

You have left out the most outspoken one.
Ross Chatwin

Anonymous said...

I noticed we had a great big fire up on the mountain behind our town last
night. I also noticed lots of airplanes flown by gentile pilots dropping
fire retardant to stop the spreading of the fire to help save our towns and
surrounding areas from damage. It reminded me of when the area around
Sholow, AZ was burning and the State of Arizona asked for all able bodied
fire fighters to respond and help and our Prophet said, "Do not interfere
with the Lords destructions - Let them burn."

Anonymous

Anonymous said...

OTS
Could it be that some might get hit with comspiracy charges? If I were Law Enforcement, I would be studying some of these prior postings. As the house of cards falls, others may get swept into the debris, hope OTS is not one of those!
CEO

onthestreet said...

Yah, conspiracy to believe in God. I doubt that there are any in law enforcement are that desperate or stupid. They're generally more professional than that, and more tolerant of the peoples' beliefs.

onthestreet said...

Except, of course, those who are moved by bigotry, special interest, political and financial gain, gaining nothing in return.

Anonymous said...

Ezera Drapers wife is still with him. some of the women that stood with there men were told to get out allso.

onthestreet said...

Righto, they too being evi.

onthestreet said...

. . .that is to say, evil.

erichard said...

Did Warren kick out all of the above, or were some of them kicked out before him?

Just wondering.

onthestreet said...

What proof? Analyze it:
Eve-Ill: In the eve of the world, they become dissatisfied, fretful, hateful, even criminal: Eve-Ill.

As for the FLDS, what have they done? SILENCE, PEACE! Therefore, no dissatisfaction, no frets, no hate, and no crime. Just charges from the dissatisfied, fretful, hateful, criminal: As you have all seen all over the blogs, the news, the schools, churches, and even some of the agencies of government stumbling in their wake.

See the difference. The SILENCE of the PEACE, vs the ALLIANCE of the BEAST. It's a BIG difference betwixt the two.

Anonymous said...

Anaylze it.. Street: Stur-Eat. But only at your own risk. Get it?

Anonymous said...

"A 1% relocation rate", says street. But street, when these men are kicked out are thier wives, and children not then relocated?

Name

onthestreet said...

Most of them stay put with the prophet. Everybody knows that. So you stir and eat, stir and eat, but eat what? (ES).

Anonymous said...

So "On the Street"

is your name on this list? Maybe you should put it on.

Anonymous said...

I am the wife of one of the many that have been asked to leave Warren's church. Let me tell you! It was not easy!!!!!!! The pressure we get from our parents and family is unreal! My hat goes off to anyone who has been able to keep their covenants through it all!

Anonymous said...

What about all of Jonathan Johnson's boys. Whatever happened to Jonny, Ammon, Helaman and Luke? Is Simon still around? He is the next in line.

Anonymous said...

You forgot the baddest of the bad!

Thirty plus families in Canada and some few in North Idaho who were never cut off, never given any notice, but never acknowledged Warren as anything but Uncle Rulon's helper.
Many tried to convince those wives to separate from their husbands but now those people are having to deal with it themselves.
Remember, Experience is an horrible teacher, it's like taking the test before the lesson. Have we learned anything yet?

ATAR_i said...

Anon 12:24 - what did you end up doing?

Anonymous said...

are there any of you posting that are still in the " work "?

Anonymous said...

I would like to ask everyone that reads the blog. if a man trys to keep his famly and warren and his hit men come and tells that man to hit the road. should that man pay child support? or should warren be responsible for his actions. and warren should pay for there care.

Anonymous said...

who are these blackmore things walking the streets the last few days seen them last night by the bridge i wouldnt call them girls their faces are hidious looks like the exocist

Anonymous said...

we need more real girls in CC that want to party.

fttc said...

That man should stand up to warren's hit men and defend his family! Come on! this isn't rocket science. There is no need to continue breaking up families.

warren has no jurisdiction to send anyone anywhere! Unfortunately many of the men have turned the teaching of their family over to warren so maybe the man can't get them to stay with him. In that case I think the man should assume responsibility for his neglect and pay child support. Maybe if enough men had to send their paycheck to their wives and children living in another man's house they would realize the truth of what warren has done and give him what he deserves. Remember what the people did to King Noah when he told them to leave their wives and children?

For non BOM students: King Noah was burned alive.

fttc said...

11:40

That depends on what you consider "the Work". I think warren and his followers left the "Work". I still believe everything JYB, JSM, LSJ, RTJ pre 1980 taught. Am I in the work?

Anonymous said...

what im saying is im just curious if there are any people posting that are pretending to be good and do what is right? two timing it , you know like talking $hit on the blog. on one hand and on the other pretending to believe and still live in cc. Im just curious

Anonymous said...

i think that warren should pay then maybe he would not be so fast to brake up familys. just maybe if he had to start useing some of that money that his people are giveing him to live like a king then just may be.

Anonymous said...

Street

Why do you call innocent women and children evil? Why do you set yourself up as a judge over people who have been evicted? Doesnt that make you just as evil? Huh?

Yer such a butthead.

fttc said...

I don't think you can hurt warren's pocketbook until you completely break him. If he needs more money he will just demand more donations. On the one hand it would break him faster. On the other hand it is a mute point because there is no way to enforce his payments until he is caught up with; and once he is caught it will likely be the end of him anyway.

Faithful Woman said...

warren dumps the families on the bishop who tells them to get on food stamps, if they aren't already.

some names who were listed but my sourses say are still "in"
David Jeffs
David Cook
John Johnson
Lloyd Wall

More broken heart deaths
Dena Young
Charles Wyler

More names of "Out's"
Richard Cook, yeah, the one Ruth has been blasting
Jean Cooke
Richard Blackmore
Kevin Blackmore
Joe Blackmore
??? Palmer
little James Dockstader, out of TX
Shem Johnson
Ray Johnson
Evan Johnson
Amos Musser
Scott Rohbock
Stirling Harker
Alvin Harker

There are more

Anonymous said...

so richard cooke has been told to leave and gene cooke also i had not heard of james dockstader or scott rohbock and i did not know that warren let david jeffs back in the only ones that have got back in is brian jeffs big james dockstader and william shapley that is all that warren has let back in

Anonymous said...

Hey wait a sec...Charles Wyler died in a plane crash about 10 years ago. His wife was still with him. Where did you get your info?

Also, what is this about James Doc out of Texas? Did he take his family?

And I am good friends with Amos Musser, he left of his own accord, he just got sick of the doo-doo, and didnt Richard, Joe and Kevin stand with Winston? I dont think they were evicted.

fttc said...

Do we differentiate between those who were literally asked to leave and those who left because they could not take the changes warren was bringing about. In my opinion unless someone has really made a choice they do not want the fundamentalist lifestyle when they leave they are a warren casualty. I believe there are many who have left on thier own that only left because of warren. Anyone disagree?

Anonymous said...

Reply to Anon 7/15/2005 8:17 PM

I noticed we had a great big fire up on the mountain behind our town last. I also noticed lots of airplanes flown by gentile pilots dropping
fire retardant to stop the spreading of the fire to help save our towns and
surrounding areas from damage. It reminded me of when the area around
Sholow, AZ was burning and the State of Arizona asked for all able bodied
fire fighters to respond and help and our Prophet said, "Do not interfere
with the Lords destructions - Let them burn."


from the childbrides.org website


Hildale police investigate fire, shooting report
Three juveniles may have fired shots at air tankers, police say


By Patrice St. Germain
patrices@thespectrum.com

HILDALE - Hildale police and the Bureau of Land Management are investigating an incident concerning three juveniles who may have fired shots at air tankers fighting a fire in the area on Thursday night.

Hildale Mayor David Zitting said police told him three juveniles were seen in a yard in Hildale with a rifle and that they followed up on a report that the juveniles may have been shooting at the planes.

Zitting said the juveniles denied it, but their rifle was confiscated anyway.

"The police are very concerned about these juveniles having a rifle and the incident is still under investigation," Zitting said Friday evening. "Any information our department gathers will be shared with the Bureau of Land Management."

David Boyd, spokesman for the BLM Arizona Strip office, said he was concerned that the juveniles were trying to hit the airplanes called in to fight the brush fire burning in the Maxwell Canyon area.

"The pilots have enough to worry about with hazardous flying conditions - flying in low over the fires," Boyd said. "We will work with Hildale on the investigation and I hope that is not what occurred. We will have to wait and see what the investigation shows."

Zitting said the fire began when a male juvenile from Hildale ignited a firework. The firework went over a hill and into a grassy area where it started the fire. Zitting said the boy was unable to put the fire out, went home and told his father, who contacted fire officials.

Boyd said the BLM responded with three single-engine air tankers, a helicopter and other air-attack support. The fire burned about 28 acres before it was brought under control by BLM and Colorado City/Hildale firefighters. Boyd said because of the extremely dry conditions, fires are aggressively attacked.

"It's easier to get a handle on fires when they are small," Boyd said. "Our concern, with how dry everything is, is that a fire can easily get out of control."

Boyd said fireworks are always illegal on public lands and fires started either by accident or through carelessness could result in the person causing the fire to be responsible for suppression costs.

Boyd did not have a dollar figure on the cost to fight the fire Thursday evening, but said bringing in air support is expensive.

TheSpectrum.com
Originally published July 16, 2005

Anonymous said...

RHI

You said that Boyd Roundy, Tennison Barlow and Lamar Johnson have relocated. Where did they go? Any info on that?

Anonymous said...

Ya, FTTC,

I disagree with what you said. If a person finds themselves in a situation that they find unpleasant, and they choose to get out of it, that is the freedom of choice that we so highly prize in our American society. But if they are evicted or forced out, then that is a totally different premise. How can you confuse the two?

If you cant tell the differece between choice and force, you better start looking a little closer. Just because it has to do with CC, doesnt mean it has to be ugly. Some people just simply chose. What is wrong with that?


We need to stay focused on the issues that are important, and stop trying to make things into issues that are not one.

Let me give you an example....If a person hated the crime level in New York City, so they move somewhere else, does that mean they were "forced" out? Not really. They just chose to go where they would be happier! Big damn deal.


Lets get real here. Do we want to fix things, or do we want to just get pissed, and try to make everyone else pissed, too? Do we want real justice, or just pulicity? Do we want equality, or just revenge?



New Kid on the Blog

fttc said...

New Kid

I think we are saying the same thing. I know there are those who have chosen to leave and do something different with thier life. I have total respect for their decision where they were old enough to make it. I have family members who have taken that course. Maybe you are one of them.

My point was that since we are naming those who have been asked to leave shouldn't we be including those who would still be in town if it were not for the treatment warren's minions gave them because they simply did not believe him? They did not choose to leave because they wanted to leave but in a way were forced out.

Anonymous said...

In America, if someone found out that is was really great in New York, they could move back. In Colorado City, once a family leaves, they couldn't move back if they wanted to. From Amos Musser to Ray Johnson.

We just want to make that possible.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that those that choose to move for the most part are making a normal free choice.

Anonymous said...

add Joseph Barlow
Oliver Barlow

to the list of evicted people

Anonymous said...

When did Uncle Oliver get the boot?

Anonymous said...

Hey annon 2:52 I left the Warren regime before he had a chance to give me the boot. After I started to defend myself in a lawsuit which he filed against Winston and myself. My own married children and the parents of my dear wives booted us out of their lives. Jimmy counciled them that I was fighting against God by fighting Warren in this court case. My daughters had to phone their own mothers and tell them never to phone them and they would not be welcome around the grand children. Several of us in this situation feel as if we have been discarded from the lives of our dear loved ones. So please include our names in the list of families who have been disrupted by this tyrant.

Anonymous said...

Faithful Woman
Which James Dockstader would of lived in St. George. (Sr)

You mentioned James Dockstader, out of TX. Was he at the ranch?

A friend

Anonymous said...

One of the first ones who I knew to be sent away was Lyman Dutson. He was given a year probation for a mistake he had made in his life. He served his probationary period and was then recommended by the Bishop to have his family placed back with him. His wife's father interrupted and did'nt allow her to return to her husband. He reported to the prophet and was told there was no chance of him ever bieng forgiven. The Bishop was then repromanded for recommending that the man be given his family back. I worked for a time with Mr. Dutson and know the joy in his heart as his probationary year came close to an end. He knew he had kept up with his part of the punishment and expected only to recieve what was promised.

Anonymous said...

Who is Paul Allred?

Anonymous said...

FTTC

Sorry, I misunderstood you. =D

New Kid

fttc said...

No problem. Sometimes I don't make myself very clear.

Anonymous said...

allso Guy Johnson the son of ralph johnson was told to leave his family did not go with him

Anonymous said...

atari 10/16 10:27
I stayed with my husband, as did his other wives! But it was not an easy choice!!! I knew he loved me and I loved him and I knew that he had done nothing to hinder that at all! Warren did not actually send him and excumunication notice. But we were not allowed into our own grandfather's funeral because we would not declare Warren our "God."
They did not want any "negative" vibes coming from the audience when it was warrens turn to speak. We were allowed into his viewing under escort. That was nice though because we didn't have to stand in line for several hours.

Anonymous said...

Heeeelllooooo Faithful!


Are you going to answer the question about James Doc? It seems that it has been asked several time, and you were the one who brought it up in the first place...
What about him????

Anonymous said...

you know anonymous that keeps saying rude and nasty things. i hope it makes you fell better becouse if you dont have some thing good to say please dont make that kind of remarks ok. all it dose is make every one else think what a jerk you are.

quiet canadian said...

What's this with arresting Terry Barlow? He would have been a teenager himself when he got married to a teenage girl. Is the State of Arizona prepared to press charges against every teen male who has ever had sex with a teen female? I don't understand where they are going with this. In British Columbia sex by consent is legal at age 15. I believe Terry spent the first year of his marriage in BC. Did he get another wife after he returned to CC? Somebody please explain.

Anonymous said...

well i think you should check the records and you well find out he has not been married just liven with her

fttc said...

I'm aware that couples have been told not to worry about a civil marriage. Are you saying that is coming back to bite them too? Makes him a double victim of warrens treachery.

Anonymous said...

7/17 12:16 Where are you guys living now? And are all your husband's wives still with him?

Anonymous said...

And add Anson Johnson, Guy's younger brother to the list also.

Anonymous said...

7/16 11:20 We'd like to add your name to this distinguished list. . .
er, uh, Who are you?

Anonymous said...

fttc terry is livin with eldon palmers daughter so he has brought here from canada warren and the states have accused winston of this but they can not prove it but here is a case were warren has done it

fttc said...

Anon 7:48

I don't understand. Is it possible to repost with some puncuation?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous is as Anonymous as Anonymous can be and you will never know who i am. are there any of you here that are still living in cc?

Anonymous said...

i am sorry fttc. i get typing and for get to put all that i need to. so i welltry to do better ok

onthestreet said...

Anonymous 7/17/2005 9:24 PM
Try it this way:

iamsorryfttcigettypingandforgetto putallthatineedtosoiwelltrytodo betterok.

All the candles are still there.

fttc said...

Anon 7:48

What were you saying about Terry and Eldon Palmer's daughter? You made it sound like warren and law enforcement are working together? I couldn't really follow what you meant.

Anonymous said...

Who is this Harvey Dockstader,Jr. of Colorado City, who was implicated in some of internet pyramid scheme?

Is he in or out?

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/news/local/12155218.htm

Anonymous said...

Huh. Pretty interesting link there. Harvey Dock was part of the "2nd ward" and never had anything to do with Warren.

Anonymous said...

anonymous 6:48,
Ray Johnson's and his family were one of the first to leave C.C. after Uncle Rulon died.Both of his wives and all his children including teenage ones moved with him.

Anonymous said...

fttc what i was trying to say and i left a bunch of words out. so i well try to do it again terrys live in girl friend is from canada. the law has acused winston of taking young girls across the bouder to get married but winston has not done that but here is one that warren has done. and now they live in cc.

Anonymous said...

Harvey Dockstader jr was not one of the men that turned them selfs in. that was a miss print.

Anonymous said...

MEDIA RELEASE
Mohave County Sherrif's Office
co.mohave.az.us
Originally published July 12, 2005

WARRANT ARREST – COLORADO CITY (ARIZONA STRIP)
Mohave County Sheriff’s deputies arrested Harvey Joseph Dockstader Jr., 39, of Centenial Park, Monday (7/11) morning on a fugitive from justice felony warrant issued out of Harris County Texas on original charges of fraud – pyramid schemes. Approximately 8:20 a.m., Dockstader came into the Mohave County Colorado City Substation regarding MCSO attempting to contact him. Dockstader was informed of his outstanding warrant and taken into custody without incident. Dockstader was transported and booked into the Mohave County Jail.

HC said...

There are many who had a similiar choice to make like myself. I was kicked out/ left 2 years ago. I choose not to submit to Warren. That was the hardest choice to make in my life. It felt like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. I escaped the fire with a few scares and I am working to better my life. For those who had to make similiar decisions, I wish the best for you and hope that you can continue to better yourself as I did.

Anonymous said...

it has been my observation that most churches do not give you a life boat when you decide to jump ship. it dosen't matter which church you are born in,when you find out that there is something wrong in the church, you are still obligated to use the knowlege you have been given.if you try to improve on that, you are growing. There will always be a better way of improving on anything, that's why it is called knowlege upon knowlege. It is hard to come "out" and embrace a way of thinking that is contrary to what you know. I wouldn't recomend it, it will only hurt you. Instead, improve on what you have, and you will have peace in your heart.

fttc said...

Anon 11:38

Excellent point.

When I chose not to submit to warren it was because I could not submit and reconcile myself to what I knew was right. I have not regretted my choice or fretted about it either. I knew what was right and had to do it.

I see many who have left or been booted that seem to think they have to completely change their lives. They turn on what truths they have been taught and think all is lost. Truth does not change. If you knew something was right before leaving, chances are great that it still is.

onthestreet said...

Right. If truth was right before the prophet acts, then it's right during and after.

onthestreet said...

And all the prophets agree with one another, from Warren to Adam.

fttc said...

Warren agrees with Adam like hell agrees with heaven. They are the antithesis.

onthestreet said...

Or like heaven on earth and heaven in the heavens. Good heavens, man, can't you conceive of both.

fttc said...

Not when you involve warren in the equation.

divaqs said...

For a change I actually agree with OTS about something... that heaven can be a state of being/mind.

Though at the same time, I cannot imagine the followers of Warren Jeffs to be in a heaven-like situation.... with all the fear, hate, distrust, etc. that they are likely feeling....

onthestreet said...

". . .fear, hate, distrust, etc. that they are likely feeling," or likely not. We live the gospel the best we can, and that includes peace in our minds, peace in our hearts, and eventually peace on earth when the Prophet and the Lord have cut off all that offends purity and truth. Yes, heaven on earth.

Quite the opposite with you all. You overflow with fear, hate, distrust, and take all that to law enforcement to try and justify your insufficiencies. Quite the opposite of heaven on earth.

onthestreet said...

This was in response to:
7/19/2005 1:13 PM

onthestreet said...

7/19/2005 3:38 PM

Now that is a prime example of hatred and confusion and hell on earth. Quite the opposite of the Prophet telling it how it is predominately with some cultures, just to advise the people where there are certain tendencies that corrupt, and what to avoid. That's all, just to help people stay clear from anything degrading.

Now any descent and intelligent being in heaven and on earth seek that, or else they simply aren't descent and intelligent.

Faithful Woman said...

Some of us do have lives aside from this blog, so it has taken me some time to respond about James Dockstader ( Little James ) My source said he had been kicked out of the texas compound, without his family, after he had been living there for several months. He had moved his business and tools there too.

rumor-has-it said...

I think that Joe Fischer was kicked some time ago.

Fredonia Friend said...

Faithful Woman: Do you know why James Dockstader was kicked out out, and why his family would choose to stay without him? How many wives and children does he have? Did they all stay at the ranch or have they returned to Short Creek?

Faithful Woman said...

Last I knew James had one wife, daughter of Spencer Black, and at least 6 children, I don't know for sure. I would guess they are still at the ranch, but if anyone has information to the contrary, please let us know.

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to Nathan Fischer, Vaughn Fischer's son? I knew he was a good friend of Winston's but his name is not on this list. Where is he? Is his family still with him?

Anonymous said...

Merril Stubbs
LeeRoy Stubbs
Lonniw Keate
Tracy Barlow
Steven Draper (Steed)
Ray Johnson

All these men moved away with their famlies before they were told they were "unworthy'

Nate Fisher
Richard Keate
Shem Johnson
These men stayed with Uncle Wink when he was "corrected".

Anonymous said...

uncle wink is a stupid a$$ that guy sure can talk a lot of bull cookies.

Anonymous said...

Do you know Uncle Wink personaley ? Or are you going by hear say? Unles you know someone personaly then you have know right to slander them.

A soul said...

There's alot of people who know "Uncle Wink". Many his own brothers,and sisters, that have all slandered him. He gave them all that he could earn, or borrow. Huge severance pay pakages, to people who quit working for him because "he's an apostate". He turned a blind eye, as they stole thousands of dollars worth of tools and equipment while they were leaving.
Now he prays for them, while they pray for his ultimate demise.

onthestreet said...

I've personally seen bull-winky slander the best of men, and even children. Go figure. Then he turns to the black race and goes full-boar to the mixing of the races, which God frowns upon. If I was a black man, I'd be offended with such corruption. He also makes so many charges that he will never again be free from debt. You know what I mean.

Anonymous said...

Nathan Fischer
HC 60 Box 153
Bonners Ferry, ID 83805


To anonymous 8-02-05 10:43. Thanks for asking. Please write to me. I'd be glad to hear from you.

Anonymous said...

Street, just from reading this blog, I have seen you "slander" the best of men. I have also seen you condemn and pass judgement on people,(something else god frowns upon). Now you "go figure".
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onthestreet said...

Ahh, but God himself passes judgement, and says: "Be ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Now, if slandering immoral men and people who murder babies, etc. are the "best of men," then America truly is in trouble. I encourage people to look at the BETTERMENT of their lives. If that judges them, they only judge themselves.
You got it all figured out? Hey, wesa rootin foryu.

Anonymous said...

"wesa rootin forya" who is "we" street? since you have stated you are alone, "on the street". just curious.
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Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me if Warren is married to two daughters of Brandon and Gail Blackmore (Canadians)? And if so, what are the names of these "girls"?

onthestreet said...

NONE and her sister, BUSINESS.

Anonymous said...

You know these blackmore things " also know as girls" are poop me my self ive only a a hands on experiance on the weenie but i frown apon that winston would send his imps to C.C. to " raise Hell" but i truly love those to dear sisters in the " good work" mary and rosie palmer :-)