Saturday, June 04, 2005

More Families Kicked Out

It has been rumored that Warren Jeffs brother Leroy was kicked out last week.
This week Howard Meldrum, Alma Barlow and Curtis Barlow have been given notice.

Many thanks to men who have taken a stand, men like Arthur Blackmore, Marvin Wyler, Ross Chatwin, Isaac Wyler, Spencer Johnson, Lester Johnson, Evan Johnson (there may be others) and the women that stand with them.
These are the REAL men that know what really counts!

This is making all the difference for the future of the "UEP" United Effort Plan.

71 comments:

Anonymous said...

I wondered how long he would last. Or, is it rumor to protect him from the ramifications of the his involvment with the siezed UEP issues? Where is he living now? Anyone know? Anyone heard for Esther Shapley of late?

Anonymous said...

"from Esther Shapley of late?"

furnace said...

Please, "rumor-has-it"--if you know who the others are, don't name them.

Anonymous said...

Please, "rumore-has-it"--if you know who the others are, please name them

Anonymous said...

Why do you want Esther?

ogre said...

Leroy, KIcked out????
more info please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Men In Black said...

Jethrow Barlow and later Leroy Jeffs took care of the bookkeeping, these folks are not the best to be kicked out if the leader was rational, but then enough said...

Anonymous said...

Makes one ponder...Bad blood between brothers? Little brother kicks big brother out. Hmmm. And this is not the first one. Just the first of the chosen wife's sons. Why WJ has so much power and influence over mothers, siblings, people, etc. baffles many. Hide and watch! It'll all come tumbling down......And it won't be pretty.

Anonymous said...

Esther and I go way back. Used to chum with her. I was just wondering where she is now? Any info would be appreciated. I realy liked her. Lots of fun! Good person!

Inside_Out said...

Reply to Anon 3:41
"And this is not the first one. Just the first of the chosen wife's sons."

What about Warren's full blooded brother Nephi, I heard that they had a run in back before Allen Steed got the boot.

Inside_Out

Anonymous said...

I thought it was Allen's son Nephi.

Anonymous said...

I heard it was both. Allen's son Nephi was for sure. His wife married Macrae Oler in Canada.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any concrete evidence on Leroy Jeffs? If they kicked him out then they about got the last of the big guns. Now all we will have to do is wait and see which one of Wendell and Warren wins.

GBNF said...

Wendell and Warren? What about Merril?

Anonymous said...

Esther still lives in CC at Elmer Steed's house.

Anonymous said...

I like her too.

Anonymous said...

Merrill? Oh yea, three of a kind. He won't like it when they undo Fred for his sins, Nate for his. Those Jessops have a little more compassion than the Salt Lakers. Not much but a little. They are salty suckers though and should be watched. Warren should sleep with one eye open. Isn't the Book of Mormon full of treacherous servants stabbing their kings? Watch out for Willie. What do you think MIB?

Men In Black said...

I think the faithful would go to the grave for Warren or so the FLDS spokesperson stated on a Current Affair! or So She Said.....

Anonymous said...

Where is Merrill anyway? What is his standing with Warren? Is he one of the "big guns"? Just curious.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:59 AM
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Anonymous said...

I thought you were referring to Merrill Steed. My apologies. Of course Merrill Jessop. I've been out of the link for quite sometime now. Just trying to make sense of this mess. Thnaks for the clarification, but where is Merrill Steed?

Anonymous said...

I will state this, but only anonymously,I have family in Eldorado,David Allred called my Father and some other Flds from Salt lake,last week.David wanted an increase in the tithing amount,How many and who
he called,I dont know.David Allred
stated that LeRoy Jeffs had moved
out of YFZ compound.He didnt say Leroy was kicked out.He also stated
that Howard Meldrum and Alma Barlow
were Disfellowshipped.I see so many
rumors flying it is hard to tell where they start from.Now whether LeRoy was actually kicked out,sent somewhere else,or left on his own,no-one knows.But I heard this conversation personally.

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to Hyrum Jeffs and David Jeffs, Rulon's two eldest sons?

And what about his eldest daughter Elaine? She was married to Bill Draper and we called her "Mrs. Elaine" at Alta Academy in Salt Lake.

Paladin for Truth said...

Hyrum and Dave Jeffs were some of Warren's earlier executions. One of David's wives was married to Jim Allred and the other to Merril Jessop. Makes one damn sick, doesn't it. Last I heard, Elaine has remarried and lives with her new husband on their ranch in eastern Texas.

onthestreet said...

Why WJ has so much power and influence over mothers, siblings, people, etc. baffles many. Hide and watch! It'll all come tumbling down......And it won't be pretty.
6/5/2005 3:41 PM

STREET's Reply: Hide and watch!
"And the beast overcame the saints"
(Rev. 13:7). . . "and deceives those who dwell on the earth." (Rev.13:14). "Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb>"
(Rev. 14:1). (YFZ).

Anonymous said...

Street is trying so hard to make Hitler look like Oscar Schindler it's pathetic. His argument's are so lame. He is a legend in his own mind. Hey Street, You haven't convinced anyone with you bits and pieces of scripture. Don't you realize nobody cares what your interpretation is? There are a lot of us that occasionally read what you say for laughs. Our particular favorite is the one you put on the canadian blog where you said that Warren didn't molest his nephew, he was just checking for a rash. Hillarious!!! A school principal checking a 5 year old not yet in school on a Sunday. And someone else's kid besides. Get a grip on reality dude. Since all you do is look up key words on your computer program so you can try to sound intelligent I have two new words for your enjoyment. Words that everyone in a cult should know. You ready? Here they are. cognitive disonance. Chew on that streety, got it? You see? understand? good.

Anonymous said...

Is there any people who grew up in Salt Lake and went to Alta Academy on this blog site. Just curious.

ogre said...

I grew up in slc and attended Alta academy in the 80's...If you did too, then e-mail me

Faithful Woman said...

Howard Meldrum is moved out of his house.

Anonymous said...

Alma Barlow will be moving soon.Who is anon11:55pm who is providing such accurate info.?

Anonymous said...

Again, what about Merrill Steed? Any info? Anyone? I understand that he used to pilot Bro. Jeffs. Just curious.

Anonymous said...

Old Mexico?

I heard early on that Warren had a project in Mexico. Does anyone know anything about it?

Perhaps he has an escape strategy to disappear to before the final implosion. There would be lots of cheap tequilla available for remeniscing about the good old days and plenty of young senorita's to console him--that is, if he could get over their year round tans . . .

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 12.39pm Yes Warboy tried
to Get the LeBarons to follow him,or at least let him hide out.But No-Go the Hardworking-Senorita-marrying Lebarons are wise
and experienced in the ways of blood-atoning lazy fake "$Profits$."
They sent Warboy packing.He hasent
been seen down in Mexico,for some time.I have heard David Allred has been
reaching out to relatives in other
polygamy groups.I mean specificly
the A.U.B. and the Naylor group has
anyone else heard this aswell?Could it be Warboy is running so
low on cash ?

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous 2:37

Where are the Naylor group located?

Heard rumors of wooing other folks, but that would not be smart of the Prophet. It would be hard to control outsiders even if they are relatives and had money to go visit the temple. Just my opinion.

That old say "Loose lips, sink ships."

Anonymous said...

I grew up in SLC and put in my 12 years at Alta Academy. Warren and I got along real well, I was his worst nightmare (as much as a plig kid could be). I turned out OK though, Warren taught me all about second chances and learning from my mistakes.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 2.37pm.reporting,The Naylor Group or Naylor faction they
should be called is scattered over
several areas.The Salt Lake Valley,Kansas City ,Missourri,area
this with scattered families as far
away as Tennesee and other southeastern states.this group does not live all to gether United-Order style like the other polygs do.This group is mostly made up of
the Salt Lake City area people who
never joined the Cenntenial Park Group.It is little known.Bistline
can probably tell more about who these folks are.I do know that the Mussers and several other old-polyg
dynasties are affilliated with this group.Some are reputedly very wealthy.Warren certainly has close
relatives,in the Naylor Faction.It could be that he is looking for other cash-cows now that Colorado-City appears to out of Warboys control.We know Warboy tried to reach some detente with the LeBarons.I dont think it woould be out of character for him to be tryng something similiar with these
people.

Anonymous said...

Anon.of 5.15pm I'm sorry but that's
nonsense there's only a tiny group around kansas city.3-4 families.Has nothing to do with Warren.

Anonymous said...

I was raised in Coloroda City,AZ.

Anonymous said...

Back in the 70's Guy Musser had his compound on 13th south in SLC. What went on there was very secretive and only a select few people were permitted to go to his daily meetings.
It seemed to me that Guy Musser was gathering his own chosen and was jockeying for position to lead his own group. Can anyone tell me what ever happened with that?
I don't know what has happened since then but it seems to me that what Warren is doing is just an evolution of what Guy Musser was trying to do. Any thoughts on this?

Anonymous said...

Angel of Morning
Guy Musser was insane with power and control that destroyed many of his family. The Waymans, Wylers, some of the Zittings, and a few other notable families seemed to follow his pattern of secrecy. There was true danger in the things he promoted in that compound in his lastyears where he actually told a couple of his wives that they should "do themselves in", according to his directions because they wouldn't qualify to be goddesses in his kingdom if they didn't. I don't know if anyone still living has any idea how many - or who all may have followed his directions in this. I do know that Uncle Woodruff Steed had a daughter who had been nearly destroyed by Guy Musser before she escaped from that compound. Some blood curdling stories came out of there -- but again no bodies to show.

He didn't have anyone living inside his compoudn that weren't directly related, such as, the wives of "faithful sons" and some men who married his daughters who wanted to be "grafted" into his eternal family.

A person could to a title search on that address and see who owns it now but I believe all of the people left after the split in the 80's who were following have either joined with the people in Missouri or the Neilson's or just left.

One of the sources of contention between the "Council of Seven" which Guy Musser was one of -- was that he collected tithing when they were on trips such as to Mexico or Canada and then kept the money for himself.

Certianly the way he controlled the people inside his compound at that address was very similar to what Warren seems to be doing at YFZ. Too bad Warren isn't old enough to conveniently croak -- but if he did one does wonder if there aren't at least 5 "enforcers" left behind that would keep the "chosen ones" as isolated and terrified as they are already?

Does anyone know if he has this kind of a back up plan?
If he has gotten rid of Leroy then who would be his most trusted Leading men???

Anonymous said...

When Guy Musser's wife Lavern got out, she continued her education and got a high-school diploma, although she was a grandmother among youngsters. I believe more than anything, she did it as an excuse to undo the isolation and enjoy some companionship with others.

Anonymous said...

Yes Uncle Guy was where Warren got his early training.The 2 men were
very similar.Winston can verify this.

Anonymous said...

Puke, Puke Puke! Why don't you all tend to your own back yards! You don't know the half of it, and I won't attempt to correct it. Just remember there is always more than one side of the tale to tell. Surely everyone of us have experienced the gossip mill, and know how it feels to be the underdog. Let's have some compassion and charity for others.

Anonymous said...

For your information, Mr. Musser caught onto Warren Jeffs thirst for power years and years ago when he started re-writing scripture. He even removed his children from Alta Academy for that reason. Warren has done nothing but criticize Mr. Musser for years and thus the rest of his sheep do the same thing. Let's get the facts here folks or shut up! To say that Mr. Musser tutored him. Bull! Warren can't hold a candle to him.

just curious said...

Just curious asks Winston Balackmore why he became dis-affected with Guy Musser. What is it grounded on. I'd like your angle. I thought you loved him. Thanks

Anonymous said...

To Puke, Puke, Puke! 12:55 PM.
Yes there are two sides to every tale. If there is false or misleading information here, please let us know. I would love to hear your side of it.

Musser descendant said...

Mr Musser was a victim of the Barlow-Jeffs conspiracy,no-one was
murdered or done in,in the compound
I lived there as a child.Guy was no
Saint,but he was not as power-mad
and conniving,and ruthless as the Jeffs,both father and son.If any one has the facts,I'll be happy to retract.I may not know the Whole story,children seldom do.

another decandant and glad I am. said...

I agree with 2:04 pm. My dad wouldn't have anything to do with Warren. He could see and expressed Warren's true colors when I was attending Alta Academy. Nobody is perfect and that includes my dad, but to me and the majority of my family, he was the most wonderful, gentle, kind father a child could have. For the most part, I had the most happy, blissful and loving father, mothers and family imaginable. I and most of my siblings feel the same way. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Don't judge my father by some one who resented him for a bunch of hearsay and for his courage to do what he felt he had to do.

onthestreet said...

There now, you all just put your arms around each other and give each other a Saint Bernard kiss.

musser descendant said...

anonymous musser descendant ,Are you my uncle or my aunt?

Anonymous said...

Dave Zitting Getting Ousted???

A rumor his interviews did not play out well with Warren, maybe the Hitler comparison or getting caught in a lie. Has any one else heard this rumor??

Then what about Alvin Barlow? If not on the school payroll will Warren pay his expenses or discard him as to expensive to keep?

If I were David, I would be getting my resume ready!

Anonymous said...

Straight Shot
Are your sure you have that right about Uncle Guy Musser taking his kids out of the Alta Academy because of Warren? Warren Jeffs is the same age as Winston which make him 49 this year. Was Warren really old enough to have been that much of a concern to Guy Musser before Guy Died? He would have barely had time to graduate from his teaching degree at the BYU?
Never mind being busy as I have learned here and other places with courting his second wife showing of X rated photos and molesting children.
There were not 3 more secretive families in all of Salt Lake City than the Mussers, the Jeffs, and the Waymans. When the other members of the council traveled they would often take wives but when Rulon or Guy travelled they never had a wife along.
One time on Lincoln Street in Salt Lake City I was on the steps going up to Uncle Roy's quarters and saw a door open. I was so surprised to see it opened I stopped in my tracks. I managed to see several women a child and Uncle Guy before there was a gasp and someone lept for the door and slammed it shut.
If Guy Musser was so kind why did he have to build an 8 foot wall around his block in Salt Lake City?
Was it to keep the World out, or to keep the family in??
If Uncle Guy even knew Warren I wouldn't doubt there would have been conflict and I heard Rulon Jeffs story about Guy Musser. If he said the same things to his kids as he did at that telling theres no wonder Warren talks against Uncle Guy -- but the ideas for many of the things Warren is doing have come from that elitist type of attitude Guy Musser taught.
If some had positive experiences that is great. Noone is all good or all bad.

Anonymous said...

When and with who did zitting do the hitler comparison interview.

Anonymous said...

There was a Hitler comparison made by Dr. Phil's son when he was asking Mayor Zitting questions. Mayor Zitting just agreed with him, mumbled some strange stuff about casting your secrets to the dogs of the world or something.

What he said about not having any idea if that Log House building built on Hildale town property was probably worse. He sounded really dumb when he said that. He would have been way better off to just refuse to say anything.

Anonymous said...

to 9:04 pm. First of all, city ordinances didn't allow 8 foot walls, only 6 foot. What does Guy's kindness have to do with or without a "6" foot fence? Would 6 foot wall keep you in or out. His family wasn't forced to do anything. If members wanted to leave, and some did, what is it to you? As for comparing Warren to Guy, don't even put them in the same cataory. Guy refused to release married couples, much less reassign families. Not to mention the other atrocities WJ has committed. Guy was committed to keeping families together.

As far as your first question is concerned, yes I know for a fact that Guy took his children out Alta Academy because Warren began to teach incorrect principles. I was one of them. I was 14 years old at the time.

To on the street: I used to have empathy for you, but now I realize that you are a bitter soul. I wish you peace and happiness in your endevors.

Anonymous said...

I am Guys grandchild,I agree to blame or accuse Guy of being Warrens inspiration is ridiculos.I
Also rember being pulled out of Alta Acadamy in 2 nd grade.

one more angle to think about. said...

To 11:27 am. I'll wager that Warren Jeffs would deny any tutoring from Guy Musser, and he would be telling the truth. It simply never happened! He hated Guy. Guy didn't hate Warren, but could see where he was headed. Why would Winston verify a lie. Admittedly, Guy was a mortal man, but he gave his all to his work as he understood it to be. To do the best he knew.
One more thing. How does Winston feel about Guy today since he has been getting regular visits from Ivan Nielson? Ivan Loved Guy. I don't see him changing that. Surely Ivan would give anyone who asked about Guy the facts! I would be interested to hear from Winston on the subject. Or even Ivan.

Anonymous said...

Where is Alma Barlow moving to? What are his sons going to do now that "father" has been booted? I know that Barlows are very attached to their Dads. Can someone give me some answers? Thanks in advance.

ATAR_i said...

When was zittig interviewed on tv by Phil?

Anonymous said...

On the second followup show two weeks ago by Dr. Phil's son Jay, hmmmm.....Another Jay! I heard there was another interview by a smaller network as well, what is the penalty for not being quick enough on your feet? Ross called Warren Hitler and David compared Warren's actions to Hitler, do you suppose that the two will now have more than this one thing in common? David, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

ATAR_i said...

Thanks Anon!

A Current Affair Polygamy Article and you can even see Ruth!

onthestreet said...

Ahhh, David. Now there's a man after God's own heart.

Anonymous said...

I still think that polygamy is a good thing..Warren Jeffs doesn't make it look that way. I would live it in a heartbeat.

onthestreet said...

ADMIN:

I'm trying to create my own thread on my own, so I can edit my thread as needed. I emailed you about this over a week ago, but no response. So I posted my request on several threads. Still no response. Did you die, are you okay?

Now I know that you emailed me back, and this is what you said:

Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:11:03 -0500
From: "Texas Polygamy"
Contact Details
Subject: Re: STREET

Sorry, only admn...or users with admin authority can delete posts. There is no need to copy and paste old posts simply to keep them at the top. If they are old posts, let them cycle off to the archives.
Weblog Admin

ADMIN: I'm not trying to "keep posts on top. How vain is that? Just need to be able to edit my own thread, you see?

Now, I clicked on the red blog logo in the upper left corner of the blog page, and got the next page, but there was no green plus sign. So I need admin authority to edit my own thread, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. How about it?

Hey, maybe you don't read all the threads, I don't know. Tell you what: I'll post this request on all the threads, so you'll see it.

Thank you Sir.
Street

Men In Black said...

Anonymous said...
I still think that polygamy is a good thing..Warren Jeffs doesn't make it look that way. I would live it in a heartbeat.

6/14/2005 6:53 PM

But as STREETY has been defending it, would you be taking girls of the age of maturity or defending the Mary mother of Jesus idea that girls age 12 are fair game?

When one reads the OTS arguement that defends the age of puberty to be an age justified, it kind of paints a clearer picture of why some in this society are concerned. Consenting adults uninformed, is different from children that called you stepfather yesterday, but spouse today. Tell us whether you agree with STREETY who seems to be locked in on age 12?

Anonymous said...

Old enough to go to the store, old enough to get "bread".

Anonymous said...

Or in the hillybilly (gentile) tradion: Old enough to sleep alone and dumb enough to do it.

onthestreet said...

Neves said the age of puberty as the age justified. It just shows that God brings on puberty at a very young age, and for his purposes to create life. Yet, the FLDS Church has married women far beyond puberty, as ages 15-16-17, and by parental conscent, which even fulfilled the law of the land. However, the purpose of God's church is not to fulfill the law of the land, but the law of God. If that irks some high and mighties, then maybe God Almighty can irk them further, as he sees fit. He has certainly revealed the great things that he will do to them.

onthestreet said...

First word above should be NEVER.

onthestreet said...

UNCLE WARREN! HAPPY FATHERS DAY!

May God bless you forever with faithful children, as numerous as the stars of heaven.

Anonymous said...

7:00 Unreal...........