FLDS Prophet Warren Jeffs may be serving life in prison, but his followers continue with their work on the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas where the group's white limestone Temple towers over the town they are building. Polygamy, the practice of plural marriage, appears to be alive and well in the Lone Star State, despite laws to the contrary.
Saturday, June 11, 2005
Doc
Can anyone give me more information about the doctor in town - he was in another thread but I can't find it. What was his name - where did he go to school?
Who was the pharmacist?
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The pharmicist in C.C.is Jodie Johnson.I think Jodie may be a nickname,but everyone called him that so I don't know his real name. He is a son of Leroy S. Johnson.
These guys don't have a ton of experience - one of them is a DO, Nephi, and not an MD, so his experience is even more limited.
The MD, Lloyd, is not part of the AMA (which is standard for most MD's).
Looks like they went to school did their internship and got right back to CC.
I guess for most run of the mill family problems and emergencies it will do. Definately won't for cancer, renal failure, cardiac disease, neurological problems, birth defects, GI illness's, endocrine and rheumatological mysteries, and other specialized care. But he is probably aware of that, and refers the people out when they need specialized care.
Atar_I Please check your sources again about D.O.s They attend a four year med school, just like an M.D., and many take an M.D. residency. Also, membership in the AMA is open to D.O.s and M.D.s alike. I doubt that would be the case if one was inferior to the other.
Anon, point conceded, you are correct. It's easier to get into DO school, and the caliber I have seen is less than the MD's in many instances - thus, I inferred they are less trained. But your right - in the end they are still a doctor.
The practice of medicine is a science where *man*, using scientific principles, research, and knowledge of anatomy and physiology, applies that knowledge, specific treatments, sometimes medications and surgeries to alleviate or palliate.
Jesus healed which is WAY BETTER, FASTER, MORE RELIABLE AND 100% PERFECT, and doesn't have anything to do with our the practice of trying to health through science by man. No wonder most doctors think they're God!, people like Street equate the two.
NO he didn't practice medicine - he didn't make poultices or apply bandages. True, he was called the *great physician* - but practice medicine - that's just tooty fruity talkin.
And stop coming on to me, I don't want to dance with you. I think I told you quite strongly on several occassions how I felt about your gestures of intimacy towards me. Besides, making overtures towards me doesn't fix your queer tendencies - so just deal with it!
Yes, you are perverted, thank you for finally admitting how hideous you have treated me. Spiritual dancing is inappropriate - and I won't do that with you, so please stop asking. Whinney (the Pooh) NEVER said that!
Street - when pushed you can make sense. But don't make me push so hard. I have to resort to sounding fruitier than you (which is quite a challenge), or talking indiscreet (which I don't particularly enjoy doing too often) in order to get you to close the blow hole.
In that day, they made up faulse accusations, and put out a warrent for the arrest of an inacent man. The nation was stirred up, because he tought what Jesus tought. It was written, that God would protect him. The wicked would never see him again. Jesus filled the mission of being hung on the cross, so we could be reserected. In our day it is written, I will set up an ensign to the world. They shall be hated of all people. There is a man from the stem of Jesse, and the people will beat there weapons of war, into plow sheares, and war and emnity will cease from off the face of the earth, and there will be one thousand years of peace. Now I ask you, "When will that day come? When will men put away predudice and hatred and cease to war upon each other and the animals? Then people who defended our prophet, and the one spoken off in this prohacy, people who like street, who suffered persicution, and ridicule for defending MY LORD, will not be ashamed. Jesus is about to return to the earth. Only the more rightouse, those who will not pick up the sowrd one against another, will be left. How else do you supose God will bring about Peace? Do you think he will take the worst and filthyiest fighters and contenders to bring about peace? I say, Satin has been bound. The wheat and the tares are being seperated. The Prophacys of all the proghets are about to be fullfiled. They are being fullfiled. Warren Jeffs has not counsled for war. He has spoken Peace all the day of his life. He is building the cities of light, that all the world will come to. We are at war. Who will defend America, when our armies are scattered across the world. Who will fight your battles and deliver you in war, when all is plundered and your stores are not stalked, and you can not push a button to feed your self. When your little peice of paper will not put food on your table, because the farmers can not produce? War and contention is every where you look. The states of Utah and Arizionia have waged a war on religion, and seek to stop the cities of light. They will not be stopped. God has decreed it. Zion will feed the nation. Every one will come to her for their blessings. I ask stop your war, why you have time: lest you be one that is cast into eternal hell, and can not be claimed again by God. All the prophacys are upon the land. This Earth does churn and ask God to be cleansed of her filth. The hour is at hand. I hope you are one, that has claim on God to be delivered, and will sit with him forever in the realms of eternity.
Straight Shot says, The Anonymouse Satin Hater is at it again! You always like changing the subject. Do you speak of your own day of destruction since you obviously are not with your profit Warren Buddy.
Very few leaders of any sort have destroyed as many families as fast as this man you weep and whinge about! There will be a day of reconing alright and they may not be able to track your profit down alive. But there a many who have been "adjusted" already by him who would have had a more humane death if they had been burned as stubble.
Just get over the Satin thing and if your sneaky, slimy profit has any shred of self - respect he would come out of hiding and have some respect for himself. Instead he stays hiding and leaves innocent people to face the charges. What is that??
Nothing to do with a Christlike man. God save us all.
Oh Anon - get over it. No one wants warren because he's like Christ (FYI he's NOT like him).
No one wants to persecute people who love God, the goverment isn't out to *get him* because he's such a great prophet.
THEY are looking for a criminal, someone who actually BROKE, no, SHREDDED the law
warren is not some sacrificial lamb, he's actually virtually unkown outside your little area. Even with all the news about him, no one I know has ever heard of him.
So, there won't be a war, there might be another WACO, but definately NOT a war. And he'll forever be remembered (yes time will roll on), as a nutjob.
So stop whining - he's only wanted because he molests little boys, steals, encourages the rape of minors, rapes minors, performs polygamous cerimonies, has multiple wives, and numerous other things that are against the law.
Besides - I think if they were looking for someone Christ-like to persecute - they wouldn't be looking his direction anyway.
Uncle Warren is not pleased with your participation on this gentile exchange. He wishes you would put your energy into your repentance, and stop worrying about what is going on in the world. Your admonitions to these people are falling on deaf ears, and are keeping you from focusing on what you are supposed to be doing. He also wants you to leave your boys with Willard, and let them grow up into men that he can use to build up the kingdom. If you will do this, you will have all the blessings that you can possibly contain, and your heart will heal. Dont you want to bare the twins that were promised? Busy yourself in what you know you need to do!
Prove your a messenger, and not just someone trying to control ruth because you know a few things about her. Prove that warren said that.
I could log in as an anonymous person and say I'm a messenger from warren too - that's just a low and dirty thing to do to a person. I bet your just gigglin at home thinking about all the things you could make Ruth do.
Hey - if warren really wants to control Ruth - bring her to YFZ. If he wants her out of the limelight - bring her to YFZ. If she's gone by next week - I'll believe your a messenger with some sort of pull - IF NOT - your just some sicko playing games.
I doubt it's like warren to even aknowledge this blog - let alone ask someone to post a message.
Pick on someone your own size pseudo messenger - that's not nice!
ANONYMOUS SAID; Now I ask you, "When will that day come? When will men put away predudice and hatred and cease to war upon each other and the animals?
Wasn't it Uncle Fred actually that ordered that all dogs in Hildale and Colorado City be killed or slaughtered, for the sins of one dog who mauled a child? War on Animals.....hmm.....
SAID/Satin has been bound.
Satin is usually in a bolt of cloth and is usually bound! If Satin is an analogy or parable to Warren, he too may one day be bolted and bound. The worthy prophets of old other than a few that were cowardly did not hide!
24 And call ye on the name of your god (Warren), and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God.' And all the people answered and said: 'It is well spoken.' 25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal (Warren): 'Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god (Warren), but put no fire under.' 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal (Warren) from morning even until noon, saying: 'O Baal (Oh Warren!), answer us.' But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they danced in halting wise about the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said: 'Cry aloud; for he is a god; either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked (He is hiding and has left the faithful to answer for his greed).' 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29 And it was so, when midday was past, that they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening offering; but their was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
THUS IS THE STORY OF A FALSE PROPHET
Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
14:16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.
23:11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.
23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.
23:13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.
23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
MICAH 3:1 And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?
3:2 Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
3:3 Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
3:4 Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
3:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
3:6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
3:7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
3:8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
3:9 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
WHO DO YOU WORSHIP, THE LORD ON HIGH, THE ONE YOU REFERENCE IN YOUR BIBLE TEACHINGS OR WARREN, THE GREAT REPRODUCTION & FALSE PROPHET WHO CLAIMS TO SPEAK ON GODS BEHALF?
Pale Horsemen of the Apocalypse Thessalonians 2:3-5. "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day"--the second coming of Christ--"will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God."
If he finished HS at 18, and graduated from college at 22, then he would finish medical school about 26, and then he had some internships which would probably put him about age 29. If he trained in any specialties that could last til the mid 30's.
So - that leaves a few years experience as an independant doctor - roughly (if he didn't get specialized training).
And Lehi (sorry about the name mix up - my bad), I don't know how old he is, but he appears to be about a year behind his brother - so approximately one year less practice as a Doc.
The age of Mary at the virgin birth is not concrete. There is an apocryphal writing which refers to other activities around the time of her betrothal, a wedding would be approximately a year after that, and a birth (probaby less than 9 months after that) which hint to her age. Nothing in the Bible gives her age.
Bringing abortion into this debate does nothing more than detract from the discussion. We're talking about warren - and as far as I know - he hasn't had one.
He has done the things he's accused of doing - those things just happen to be against the law (wether you like it or not).
If we are observing the Hebrew Law and applying it to Warren, then as a false prophet or one who has been wrong many times, he would then be subject to being stoned to death. Is this a buffet where some old laws apply and not others?
The point is, Jesus was innocent. Pilate the Roman governor said so and washed his hands of the whole thing. King Herod even found no fault with Jesus, but turned him over to be crucified, not at the behest of the state, but the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem who were threatened by him. Much the same way Warren crucifies anyone he sees as a threat. People like Allen Steed.
Atar - Lehi and Lloyd are not brothers. They are cousins. They also went to grade school together and while I don't know their birthdates, I presume they are close in age. Please get your facts straight before trying to sound like an authority on the matter. Thanks.
Straight Shot says, You are getting very bold, crude, and more like a bad rash all the time. You better watch that rash or you might find your profit putting YFZ Holy anointed cream on it. (just a caution) It's beginning to get more clear all the time -- you say we could talk to all those that Warren Jeffs "crucified" and they would speak favorably of him -- now it is clear -- you are all the evicted Barlows, Fishers, Jessops, Quintons, Blackmores, Olers, Neilsons, Roundy's, Palmer's, Johnson's, ....... in one. That's where the multi-personality thing is coming from. Some of these people were great scriptorians, some were just ordinary hard-working people, some were twisted and strange just like other parts of the population - but none of them were or ever have been as dangerous, heartless, and without human compassion as Warren Jeffs. If ya'll are so happy to sing your profit's praises you really need to get to it. Either come out in open, help your evicted sons and daughtersn that need you and speak up or dissapear into the same slimy hole Warrren is in. And we hear there are no computors for ya'll to post where he is. God save us all.
To ;-) 6/13/2005 First they say, "he never wants to see you." then they say repent. Then they say, worry not, and fear not, repent and he will bless you. Then they say go away, and then they say repent so he can bless you. It is no wonder, if the girl realy is not crazy, from the mixed messages. And if you look close at the court records, it was not her who took anything away, but forgave them all that day.
Yes, Warren Jeffs messages to me, have been consistant. He said, "I love you" Any thing more or less than that, I will not listen too. I love him with all my heart and soul. I am waiting for him. And He is not the one who sent me away. It is others that claim to have an athority on what he thinks and says, There is the inconsistantcys. I will hold to the love he sent me.
I've been through these links and don't see what you see. The Catholic church's version from Latin or King James? I have my Greek New Testament in hand, give me the verses that state the age as 12, so I can verify these! Some of your links are questionable at best!
All I get out of this, is that you are justifying Pedophilia using cultural and regional practises of 2,000 years ago that are still questionable.
Pedophilia defined;
Sexual attraction to a child; clinically, a person sixteen years of age or older who is at least five years older than the child. Pedophiles will prefer males, females, or both. Generally considered to be an incurable mental disorder.
or
From its Greek roots, pedophilia implies love of a child ("paidos" + "philia"). In practice, pedophiles are typically adult males with exclusive sexual preferences for prepubescent boys and/or girls. Adult women can be diagnosed as pedophiles as well as some postpubertal adolescents. Pedophilia is not synonomous with child molestation ( pedophilia being a subcategory of child molestation). There are clear and specific criteria for diagnosing pedophilia in the DSM.
or
(American English) (greek pais boy, child, and philia friendship, ICD-10 F65.4) is the primary sexual attraction toward prepubescent children. Alternative spellings in British English are paedophilia or pædophilia. Pedosexuality is used as a synonym.
or
A sexual dysfunction where the person achieves sexual arousal or satisfaction only through the sexual exposure of children ie either watching them naked or undressing them or indulging in child pornography. A pedophilic may not necessarily have sex with the child to attain satisfaction, but enjoys the vulnerability of a child. A pedophiliac may have some experience of sexual trauma in his own childhood.
Hey Dude! The law in this country is clear. If you want to go back to biblical times eating locust and stoning false prophets, go 7,000 east and make a right turn!
All serious, give me the biblical quotes and I will check them in the Greek Text. So far, the scripture quotes don't say what you have stated herein. Is this like that mystical hell She'Ol?
OK MIB! I did warn you on another post! Street made a right turn in the loony bin. You keep trying to have a logical argument with an unarmed person. Either give it up or accept the fact that he is never going to make sense and you are tilting at windmills.
What became of Steve Barlow? Wasn't he some kind of a shrink? Is he still around or hasn't ole Warren heard about his bar room hops? Great dancer that boy.
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The pharmicist in C.C.is Jodie Johnson.I think Jodie may be a nickname,but everyone called him that so I don't know his real name.
He is a son of Leroy S. Johnson.
Lehi & Lloyd Barlow, sons of Alvin and Dan Barlow became doctors. I don't know if either were reassigned to Texas.
MIB
These guys don't have a ton of experience - one of them is a DO, Nephi, and not an MD, so his experience is even more limited.
The MD, Lloyd, is not part of the AMA (which is standard for most MD's).
Looks like they went to school did their internship and got right back to CC.
I guess for most run of the mill family problems and emergencies it will do. Definately won't for cancer, renal failure, cardiac disease, neurological problems, birth defects, GI illness's, endocrine and rheumatological mysteries, and other specialized care. But he is probably aware of that, and refers the people out when they need specialized care.
I hope warren does not try to practice medicine.
Atar_I
Please check your sources again about D.O.s They attend a four year med school, just like an M.D., and many take an M.D. residency. Also, membership in the AMA is open to D.O.s and M.D.s alike. I doubt that would be the case if one was inferior to the other.
Anon, point conceded, you are correct. It's easier to get into DO school, and the caliber I have seen is less than the MD's in many instances - thus, I inferred they are less trained. But your right - in the end they are still a doctor.
The practice of medicine is a science where *man*, using scientific principles, research, and knowledge of anatomy and physiology, applies that knowledge, specific treatments, sometimes medications and surgeries to alleviate or palliate.
Jesus healed which is WAY BETTER, FASTER, MORE RELIABLE AND 100% PERFECT, and doesn't have anything to do with our the practice of trying to health through science by man. No wonder most doctors think they're God!, people like Street equate the two.
NO he didn't practice medicine - he didn't make poultices or apply bandages. True, he was called the *great physician* - but practice medicine - that's just tooty fruity talkin.
And stop coming on to me, I don't want to dance with you. I think I told you quite strongly on several occassions how I felt about your gestures of intimacy towards me. Besides, making overtures towards me doesn't fix your queer tendencies - so just deal with it!
Yes, you are perverted, thank you for finally admitting how hideous you have treated me. Spiritual dancing is inappropriate - and I won't do that with you, so please stop asking. Whinney (the Pooh) NEVER said that!
Street - when pushed you can make sense. But don't make me push so hard. I have to resort to sounding fruitier than you (which is quite a challenge), or talking indiscreet (which I don't particularly enjoy doing too often) in order to get you to close the blow hole.
You know what's really sad - I can't spell Winnie!
In that day, they made up faulse accusations, and put out a warrent for the arrest of an inacent man. The nation was stirred up, because he tought what Jesus tought. It was written, that God would protect him. The wicked would never see him again. Jesus filled the mission of being hung on the cross, so we could be reserected. In our day it is written, I will set up an ensign to the world. They shall be hated of all people. There is a man from the stem of Jesse, and the people will beat there weapons of war, into plow sheares, and war and emnity will cease from off the face of the earth, and there will be one thousand years of peace. Now I ask you, "When will that day come? When will men put away predudice and hatred and cease to war upon each other and the animals? Then people who defended our prophet, and the one spoken off in this prohacy, people who like street, who suffered persicution, and ridicule for defending MY LORD, will not be ashamed. Jesus is about to return to the earth. Only the more rightouse, those who will not pick up the sowrd one against another, will be left. How else do you supose God will bring about Peace? Do you think he will take the worst and filthyiest fighters and contenders to bring about peace? I say, Satin has been bound. The wheat and the tares are being seperated. The Prophacys of all the proghets are about to be fullfiled. They are being fullfiled. Warren Jeffs has not counsled for war. He has spoken Peace all the day of his life. He is building the cities of light, that all the world will come to. We are at war. Who will defend America, when our armies are scattered across the world. Who will fight your battles and deliver you in war, when all is plundered and your stores are not stalked, and you can not push a button to feed your self. When your little peice of paper will not put food on your table, because the farmers can not produce? War and contention is every where you look. The states of Utah and Arizionia have waged a war on religion, and seek to stop the cities of light. They will not be stopped. God has decreed it. Zion will feed the nation. Every one will come to her for their blessings. I ask stop your war, why you have time: lest you be one that is cast into eternal hell, and can not be claimed again by God. All the prophacys are upon the land. This Earth does churn and ask God to be cleansed of her filth. The hour is at hand. I hope you are one, that has claim on God to be delivered, and will sit with him forever in the realms of eternity.
Straight Shot says,
The Anonymouse Satin Hater is at it again! You always like changing the subject. Do you speak of your own day of destruction since you obviously are not with your profit Warren Buddy.
Very few leaders of any sort have destroyed as many families as fast as this man you weep and whinge about! There will be a day of reconing alright and they may not be able to track your profit down alive. But there a many who have been "adjusted" already by him who would have had a more humane death if they had been burned as stubble.
Just get over the Satin thing and if your sneaky, slimy profit has any shred of self - respect he would come out of hiding and have some respect for himself. Instead he stays hiding and leaves innocent people to face the charges. What is that??
Nothing to do with a Christlike man.
God save us all.
Oh Anon - get over it. No one wants warren because he's like Christ (FYI he's NOT like him).
No one wants to persecute people who love God, the goverment isn't out to *get him* because he's such a great prophet.
THEY are looking for a criminal, someone who actually BROKE, no, SHREDDED the law
warren is not some sacrificial lamb, he's actually virtually unkown outside your little area. Even with all the news about him, no one I know has ever heard of him.
So, there won't be a war, there might be another WACO, but definately NOT a war. And he'll forever be remembered (yes time will roll on), as a nutjob.
So stop whining - he's only wanted because he molests little boys, steals, encourages the rape of minors, rapes minors, performs polygamous cerimonies, has multiple wives, and numerous other things that are against the law.
Besides - I think if they were looking for someone Christ-like to persecute - they wouldn't be looking his direction anyway.
warren <---------TARE
It's harvest time
Ruth,
Uncle Warren is not pleased with your participation on this gentile exchange. He wishes you would put your energy into your repentance, and stop worrying about what is going on in the world. Your admonitions to these people are falling on deaf ears, and are keeping you from focusing on what you are supposed to be doing. He also wants you to leave your boys with Willard, and let them grow up into men that he can use to build up the kingdom. If you will do this, you will have all the blessings that you can possibly contain, and your heart will heal. Dont you want to bare the twins that were promised? Busy yourself in what you know you need to do!
A Messenger
;-)
PROVE IT
Prove your a messenger, and not just someone trying to control ruth because you know a few things about her. Prove that warren said that.
I could log in as an anonymous person and say I'm a messenger from warren too - that's just a low and dirty thing to do to a person. I bet your just gigglin at home thinking about all the things you could make Ruth do.
Hey - if warren really wants to control Ruth - bring her to YFZ. If he wants her out of the limelight - bring her to YFZ. If she's gone by next week - I'll believe your a messenger with some sort of pull - IF NOT - your just some sicko playing games.
I doubt it's like warren to even aknowledge this blog - let alone ask someone to post a message.
Pick on someone your own size pseudo messenger - that's not nice!
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From the Texas State Board of Medical Examiniers
Barlow is licensed in the state of Texas
http://www.tsbme.state.tx.us/
PHYSICIAN TEMPORARY LICENSE INFORMATION Date: 05/13/2005
Name: LLOYD HAMMON BARLOW MD
Ethnicity: WHITE Gender: MALE
Date of Birth:1969
LICENSE/PERMIT INFORMATION
Permit Number: NONE
Permit Type: NONE
Begin Date: NONE
Issuance Date: 03/22/2005
Expiration Date: 10/01/2005 NONE
MAILING INFORMATION
Mailing Address
1065 N HILDALE ST
PO BOX 840459
HILDALE, UT 84784
PRACTICE INFORMATION
Primary Practice Site
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EDUCATION
Graduation Year: 1995
Medical School: UNIV OF UTAH SCH OF MED, SALT LAKE CITY
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Posted by Anonymous to Texas Polygamy at 5/13/2005 07:55:42 AM
ANONYMOUS SAID;
Now I ask you, "When will that day come? When will men put away predudice and hatred and cease to war upon each other and the animals?
Wasn't it Uncle Fred actually that ordered that all dogs in Hildale and Colorado City be killed or slaughtered, for the sins of one dog who mauled a child? War on Animals.....hmm.....
SAID/Satin has been bound.
Satin is usually in a bolt of cloth and is usually bound! If Satin is an analogy or parable to Warren, he too may one day be bolted and bound. The worthy prophets of old other than a few that were cowardly did not hide!
24 And call ye on the name of your god (Warren), and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God.' And all the people answered and said: 'It is well spoken.' 25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal (Warren): 'Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god (Warren), but put no fire under.' 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal (Warren) from morning even until noon, saying: 'O Baal (Oh Warren!), answer us.' But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they danced in halting wise about the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said: 'Cry aloud; for he is a god; either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked (He is hiding and has left the faithful to answer for his greed).' 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29 And it was so, when midday was past, that they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening offering; but their was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
THUS IS THE STORY OF A FALSE PROPHET
Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
14:16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.
23:11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.
23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.
23:13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.
23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
MICAH
3:1 And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?
3:2 Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
3:3 Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
3:4 Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
3:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
3:6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
3:7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
3:8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
3:9 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
WHO DO YOU WORSHIP, THE LORD ON HIGH, THE ONE YOU REFERENCE IN YOUR BIBLE TEACHINGS OR WARREN, THE GREAT REPRODUCTION & FALSE PROPHET WHO CLAIMS TO SPEAK ON GODS BEHALF?
Pale Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Thessalonians 2:3-5. "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day"--the second coming of Christ--"will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God."
OK, can you just paraphrase it for me Anon - because it's just to long, rambling, incoherent, nonsensical and disjointed.
So perhaps a paragraph to sum up your post above.
ATAR_i said...
These guys don't have a ton of experience - one of them is a DO, Nephi,
NEPHI? NEPHI?
Apparently you have more info than the rest of us, Atar-i. Please satisfy our curiosity and let us in on the scoop!
Well, Lloyd is about 35 years old.
If he finished HS at 18, and graduated from college at 22, then he would finish medical school about 26, and then he had some internships which would probably put him about age 29. If he trained in any specialties that could last til the mid 30's.
So - that leaves a few years experience as an independant doctor - roughly (if he didn't get specialized training).
And Lehi (sorry about the name mix up - my bad), I don't know how old he is, but he appears to be about a year behind his brother - so approximately one year less practice as a Doc.
Nope you didn't make your point.
The age of Mary at the virgin birth is not concrete. There is an apocryphal writing which refers to other activities around the time of her betrothal, a wedding would be approximately a year after that, and a birth (probaby less than 9 months after that) which hint to her age. Nothing in the Bible gives her age.
Bringing abortion into this debate does nothing more than detract from the discussion. We're talking about warren - and as far as I know - he hasn't had one.
He has done the things he's accused of doing - those things just happen to be against the law (wether you like it or not).
If we are observing the Hebrew Law and applying it to Warren, then as a false prophet or one who has been wrong many times, he would then be subject to being stoned to death. Is this a buffet where some old laws apply and not others?
Street:
You get so close, then you fall flat.
The point is, Jesus was innocent. Pilate the Roman governor said so and washed his hands of the whole thing. King Herod even found no fault with Jesus, but turned him over to be crucified, not at the behest of the state, but the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem who were threatened by him. Much the same way Warren crucifies anyone he sees as a threat. People like Allen Steed.
Game, Set, Match
Lord Have Mercy - What did they teach you?
Atar - Lehi and Lloyd are not brothers. They are cousins. They also went to grade school together and while I don't know their birthdates, I presume they are close in age. Please get your facts straight before trying to sound like an authority on the matter. Thanks.
My bad.
Cousins could still be brothers, in a weird Short Crick kinda way!
Straight Shot says,
You are getting very bold, crude, and more like a bad rash all the time. You better watch that rash or you might find your profit putting YFZ Holy anointed cream on it. (just a caution)
It's beginning to get more clear all the time -- you say we could talk to all those that Warren Jeffs
"crucified" and they would speak favorably of him -- now it is clear -- you are all the evicted Barlows, Fishers, Jessops, Quintons, Blackmores, Olers, Neilsons, Roundy's, Palmer's, Johnson's, ....... in one. That's where the multi-personality thing is coming from.
Some of these people were great scriptorians, some were just ordinary hard-working people, some were twisted and strange just like other parts of the population - but none of them were or ever have been as dangerous, heartless, and without human compassion as Warren Jeffs.
If ya'll are so happy to sing your profit's praises you really need to get to it. Either come out in open, help your evicted sons and daughtersn that need you and speak up or dissapear into the same slimy hole Warrren is in. And we hear there are no computors for ya'll to post where he is.
God save us all.
To ;-) 6/13/2005
First they say, "he never wants to see you." then they say repent. Then they say, worry not, and fear not, repent and he will bless you. Then they say go away, and then they say repent so he can bless you. It is no wonder, if the girl realy is not crazy, from the mixed messages. And if you look close at the court records, it was not her who took anything away, but forgave them all that day.
Yes, Warren Jeffs messages to me, have been consistant. He said, "I love you" Any thing more or less than that, I will not listen too. I love him with all my heart and soul. I am waiting for him. And He is not the one who sent me away. It is others that claim to have an athority on what he thinks and says, There is the inconsistantcys. I will hold to the love he sent me.
Reply to 6/13/2005 3:07 PM Anonymous: WOW and kind of eerie. You nailed it. Good post.
LOL
One thing I NEVER thought I would see
Street quoting an 'apostate' source to make his point.
I always expect OTS to come up with stuff like - 'when Jesus healed the young girl - he really just meant she was old enough to get married'
I can't stop laughing
OTS
STREET's Reply:
1.http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/Homiletic/0809-97/artificial.html
I've been through these links and don't see what you see. The Catholic church's version from Latin or King James? I have my Greek New Testament in hand, give me the verses that state the age as 12, so I can verify these! Some of your links are questionable at best!
All I get out of this, is that you are justifying Pedophilia using cultural and regional practises of 2,000 years ago that are still questionable.
Pedophilia defined;
Sexual attraction to a child; clinically, a person sixteen years of age or older who is at least five years older than the child. Pedophiles will prefer males, females, or both. Generally considered to be an incurable mental disorder.
or
From its Greek roots, pedophilia implies love of a child ("paidos" + "philia"). In practice, pedophiles are typically adult males with exclusive sexual preferences for prepubescent boys and/or girls. Adult women can be diagnosed as pedophiles as well as some postpubertal adolescents. Pedophilia is not synonomous with child molestation ( pedophilia being a subcategory of child molestation). There are clear and specific criteria for diagnosing pedophilia in the DSM.
or
(American English) (greek pais boy, child, and philia friendship, ICD-10 F65.4) is the primary sexual attraction toward prepubescent children. Alternative spellings in British English are paedophilia or pædophilia. Pedosexuality is used as a synonym.
or
A sexual dysfunction where the person achieves sexual arousal or satisfaction only through the sexual exposure of children ie either watching them naked or undressing them or indulging in child pornography. A pedophilic may not necessarily have sex with the child to attain satisfaction, but enjoys the vulnerability of a child. A pedophiliac may have some experience of sexual trauma in his own childhood.
Hey Dude! The law in this country is clear. If you want to go back to biblical times eating locust and stoning false prophets, go 7,000 east and make a right turn!
All serious, give me the biblical quotes and I will check them in the Greek Text. So far, the scripture quotes don't say what you have stated herein. Is this like that mystical hell She'Ol?
OK MIB! I did warn you on another post! Street made a right turn in the loony bin. You keep trying to have a logical argument with an unarmed person. Either give it up or accept the fact that he is never going to make sense and you are tilting at windmills.
Well at least I'm not A Tarry Roof anymore!
What became of Steve Barlow? Wasn't he some kind of a shrink? Is he still around or hasn't ole
Warren heard about his bar room hops? Great dancer that boy.
Do the FLDS not believe in the bible? Is that why in response to "streets" comments you said he quoted an apostate book?
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