Saturday, June 11, 2005


Can anyone give me more information about the doctor in town - he was in another thread but I can't find it. What was his name - where did he go to school?

Who was the pharmacist?


Eye Witness said...

Not sure if you mean Eldorado or CC.

If Eldorado then...
Dr. Lloyd Barlow recently passed his Texas boards and can now practice here. He gave the address of the YFZ on his application and is believed to be living there. The Eldorado pharmacy closed last year and there isn't one in town. Nearest pharmacy is 21 miles away in Sonora, TX. Unknown if there is a pharmacist living at YFZ.

Hope this helps.

Anonymous said...

The pharmicist in Jodie Johnson.I think Jodie may be a nickname,but everyone called him that so I don't know his real name.
He is a son of Leroy S. Johnson.

Men In Black said...

Lehi & Lloyd Barlow, sons of Alvin and Dan Barlow became doctors. I don't know if either were reassigned to Texas.


onthestreet said...

True, everyone needs a doctor, in the city, on the pharm, and especially in this blog. So when you open wide for the doc, just make sure you don't stick your foot in it.

ATAR_i said...

These guys don't have a ton of experience - one of them is a DO, Nephi, and not an MD, so his experience is even more limited.

The MD, Lloyd, is not part of the AMA (which is standard for most MD's).

Looks like they went to school did their internship and got right back to CC.

I guess for most run of the mill family problems and emergencies it will do. Definately won't for cancer, renal failure, cardiac disease, neurological problems, birth defects, GI illness's, endocrine and rheumatological mysteries, and other specialized care. But he is probably aware of that, and refers the people out when they need specialized care.

I hope warren does not try to practice medicine.

Anonymous said...

Please check your sources again about D.O.s They attend a four year med school, just like an M.D., and many take an M.D. residency. Also, membership in the AMA is open to D.O.s and M.D.s alike. I doubt that would be the case if one was inferior to the other.

onthestreet said...

Look at your sources about Prophets. They've been at it for thousands of years, in our lifetime. Now, don't stumble.

onthestreet said...

I don't know if you all remember that far back, but back when Jesus was practicing medicine in Judea (without a licence I might add), that really pissed off the "Official" docs & laws of many flaws, and they clamped down their paws and jaws, and now they was, as in has-beens. They were destroyed that very same generation, no that very day that they opposed the prophet Jesus. You will see it again, just to refresh your memory.

ATAR_i said...

Anon, point conceded, you are correct. It's easier to get into DO school, and the caliber I have seen is less than the MD's in many instances - thus, I inferred they are less trained. But your right - in the end they are still a doctor.

ATAR_i said...

The practice of medicine is a science where *man*, using scientific principles, research, and knowledge of anatomy and physiology, applies that knowledge, specific treatments, sometimes medications and surgeries to alleviate or palliate.

Jesus healed which is WAY BETTER, FASTER, MORE RELIABLE AND 100% PERFECT, and doesn't have anything to do with our the practice of trying to health through science by man. No wonder most doctors think they're God!, people like Street equate the two.

onthestreet said...

Nay, my little tar-bucked. I only said that Jesus practiced medicine. His medicine is the power of the spirit, which is WAY BETTER, FASTER, etc. like you said. See, you keep spilling the tar all over you. Now clean up, sis, and then maybe we can dance.

ATAR_i said...

NO he didn't practice medicine - he didn't make poultices or apply bandages. True, he was called the *great physician* - but practice medicine - that's just tooty fruity talkin.

And stop coming on to me, I don't want to dance with you. I think I told you quite strongly on several occassions how I felt about your gestures of intimacy towards me. Besides, making overtures towards me doesn't fix your queer tendencies - so just deal with it!

onthestreet said...

How perverted! Talking the spiritual dance, and as Winny says so often: Don't make me puke.

ATAR_i said...

Yes, you are perverted, thank you for finally admitting how hideous you have treated me. Spiritual dancing is inappropriate - and I won't do that with you, so please stop asking. Whinney (the Pooh) NEVER said that!

onthestreet said...

Ask anyone who nose him. He's said it alot, but that's not the important point. What is important are spiritual issues, which we've been talking and DANCING around since this blog started. It deals with spiritual things, a religious organization and religious practices. You pour little bucked, you've been dancing spiritually for months, and didn't even know it.

Now, as for you being picked on (treaded hideously, as you put), if you have really tender feelings and have been boo-hood too much, I often try to grant you a little space, even to the point of asking if I might have this dance. Just don't get perverted over it, okay?

Now smile, you are loved.

ATAR_i said...

Street - when pushed you can make sense. But don't make me push so hard. I have to resort to sounding fruitier than you (which is quite a challenge), or talking indiscreet (which I don't particularly enjoy doing too often) in order to get you to close the blow hole.

Stinger said...

How sad, streety, not only are you misquoting the bible but now you misquote the great sage, Winnie the Pooh.

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you sometimes find that a Thing which seemed very Thinkish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it. - Winnie The Pooh

ATAR_i said...

You know what's really sad - I can't spell Winnie!

Stinger said...

I kind of have an edge, since Winnie originally came from Canada. A soldier from Winnipeg, Manitoba had a pet bear that he took to England. He donated it to a zoo and that is where A. A. Milne and his son Christopher met Winnie The Pooh.

Anonymous said...

In that day, they made up faulse accusations, and put out a warrent for the arrest of an inacent man. The nation was stirred up, because he tought what Jesus tought. It was written, that God would protect him. The wicked would never see him again. Jesus filled the mission of being hung on the cross, so we could be reserected. In our day it is written, I will set up an ensign to the world. They shall be hated of all people. There is a man from the stem of Jesse, and the people will beat there weapons of war, into plow sheares, and war and emnity will cease from off the face of the earth, and there will be one thousand years of peace. Now I ask you, "When will that day come? When will men put away predudice and hatred and cease to war upon each other and the animals? Then people who defended our prophet, and the one spoken off in this prohacy, people who like street, who suffered persicution, and ridicule for defending MY LORD, will not be ashamed. Jesus is about to return to the earth. Only the more rightouse, those who will not pick up the sowrd one against another, will be left. How else do you supose God will bring about Peace? Do you think he will take the worst and filthyiest fighters and contenders to bring about peace? I say, Satin has been bound. The wheat and the tares are being seperated. The Prophacys of all the proghets are about to be fullfiled. They are being fullfiled. Warren Jeffs has not counsled for war. He has spoken Peace all the day of his life. He is building the cities of light, that all the world will come to. We are at war. Who will defend America, when our armies are scattered across the world. Who will fight your battles and deliver you in war, when all is plundered and your stores are not stalked, and you can not push a button to feed your self. When your little peice of paper will not put food on your table, because the farmers can not produce? War and contention is every where you look. The states of Utah and Arizionia have waged a war on religion, and seek to stop the cities of light. They will not be stopped. God has decreed it. Zion will feed the nation. Every one will come to her for their blessings. I ask stop your war, why you have time: lest you be one that is cast into eternal hell, and can not be claimed again by God. All the prophacys are upon the land. This Earth does churn and ask God to be cleansed of her filth. The hour is at hand. I hope you are one, that has claim on God to be delivered, and will sit with him forever in the realms of eternity.

Anonymous said...

Straight Shot says,
The Anonymouse Satin Hater is at it again! You always like changing the subject. Do you speak of your own day of destruction since you obviously are not with your profit Warren Buddy.

Very few leaders of any sort have destroyed as many families as fast as this man you weep and whinge about! There will be a day of reconing alright and they may not be able to track your profit down alive. But there a many who have been "adjusted" already by him who would have had a more humane death if they had been burned as stubble.

Just get over the Satin thing and if your sneaky, slimy profit has any shred of self - respect he would come out of hiding and have some respect for himself. Instead he stays hiding and leaves innocent people to face the charges. What is that??

Nothing to do with a Christlike man.
God save us all.

ATAR_i said...

Oh Anon - get over it. No one wants warren because he's like Christ (FYI he's NOT like him).

No one wants to persecute people who love God, the goverment isn't out to *get him* because he's such a great prophet.

THEY are looking for a criminal, someone who actually BROKE, no, SHREDDED the law

warren is not some sacrificial lamb, he's actually virtually unkown outside your little area. Even with all the news about him, no one I know has ever heard of him.

So, there won't be a war, there might be another WACO, but definately NOT a war. And he'll forever be remembered (yes time will roll on), as a nutjob.

So stop whining - he's only wanted because he molests little boys, steals, encourages the rape of minors, rapes minors, performs polygamous cerimonies, has multiple wives, and numerous other things that are against the law.

Besides - I think if they were looking for someone Christ-like to persecute - they wouldn't be looking his direction anyway.

ATAR_i said...

warren <---------TARE

It's harvest time

Anonymous said...


Uncle Warren is not pleased with your participation on this gentile exchange. He wishes you would put your energy into your repentance, and stop worrying about what is going on in the world. Your admonitions to these people are falling on deaf ears, and are keeping you from focusing on what you are supposed to be doing. He also wants you to leave your boys with Willard, and let them grow up into men that he can use to build up the kingdom. If you will do this, you will have all the blessings that you can possibly contain, and your heart will heal. Dont you want to bare the twins that were promised? Busy yourself in what you know you need to do!

A Messenger


ATAR_i said...


Prove your a messenger, and not just someone trying to control ruth because you know a few things about her. Prove that warren said that.

I could log in as an anonymous person and say I'm a messenger from warren too - that's just a low and dirty thing to do to a person. I bet your just gigglin at home thinking about all the things you could make Ruth do.

Hey - if warren really wants to control Ruth - bring her to YFZ. If he wants her out of the limelight - bring her to YFZ. If she's gone by next week - I'll believe your a messenger with some sort of pull - IF NOT - your just some sicko playing games.

I doubt it's like warren to even aknowledge this blog - let alone ask someone to post a message.

Pick on someone your own size pseudo messenger - that's not nice!

Anonymous said...


From the Texas State Board of Medical Examiniers

Barlow is licensed in the state of Texas



Ethnicity: WHITE Gender: MALE
Date of Birth:1969


Permit Number: NONE
Permit Type: NONE
Begin Date: NONE
Issuance Date: 03/22/2005
Expiration Date: 10/01/2005 NONE


Mailing Address
PO BOX 840459


Primary Practice Site


Graduation Year: 1995
Training Institution: NONE
Program Specialty: NONE


Primary Specialty: FAMILY PRACTICE
Secondary Specialty: NONE


Posted by Anonymous to Texas Polygamy at 5/13/2005 07:55:42 AM

Anonymous said...

Now I ask you, "When will that day come? When will men put away predudice and hatred and cease to war upon each other and the animals?

Wasn't it Uncle Fred actually that ordered that all dogs in Hildale and Colorado City be killed or slaughtered, for the sins of one dog who mauled a child? War on Animals.....hmm.....

SAID/Satin has been bound.

Satin is usually in a bolt of cloth and is usually bound! If Satin is an analogy or parable to Warren, he too may one day be bolted and bound. The worthy prophets of old other than a few that were cowardly did not hide!

24 And call ye on the name of your god (Warren), and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God.' And all the people answered and said: 'It is well spoken.' 25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal (Warren): 'Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god (Warren), but put no fire under.' 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal (Warren) from morning even until noon, saying: 'O Baal (Oh Warren!), answer us.' But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they danced in halting wise about the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said: 'Cry aloud; for he is a god; either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked (He is hiding and has left the faithful to answer for his greed).' 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29 And it was so, when midday was past, that they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening offering; but their was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.


Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

14:16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.

23:11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.

23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.

23:13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.

23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

3:1 And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?

3:2 Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;

3:3 Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.

3:4 Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.

3:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.

3:6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.

3:7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.

3:8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

3:9 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.

3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.

3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.

3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.


Pale Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Thessalonians 2:3-5. "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day"--the second coming of Christ--"will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God."

ATAR_i said...

OK, can you just paraphrase it for me Anon - because it's just to long, rambling, incoherent, nonsensical and disjointed.

So perhaps a paragraph to sum up your post above.

Anonymous said...

ATAR_i said...
These guys don't have a ton of experience - one of them is a DO, Nephi,


Apparently you have more info than the rest of us, Atar-i. Please satisfy our curiosity and let us in on the scoop!

onthestreet said...

Atarry Said: 6/13/2005 7:45 AM
THEY are looking for a criminal, someone who actually BROKE, no, SHREDDED the law. . .

STREET's Reply: Like I've said, every Biblical prophet was searched as a criminal, someone who actually BROKE, no SHREDDED a law. What law? Well, let's see, Warren was charged with marrying a dear girl to someone for the purpose of creating life at the ripe old age of 16! The Virgin Mary, as I have referenced to ancient records, was the ripe old age of TWELVE (12), when she was betrothed, and 13 when God the Father planted his seed. "Wrong, he was begotten of the Holy Spirit!" So, the Father isn't a holy spirit? Shame on you! Christ was begotten by the Father, when the Virgin was 13. This is the law that God shreaded, and that many prophets have shreaded to bits, for the makers and enforcers have a law to kill little babies, and have now slain 40-million innocent children, the American Holocaust in your face!

Do I make my point, or are you of this stiff-necked generation.

ATAR_i said...

Well, Lloyd is about 35 years old.

If he finished HS at 18, and graduated from college at 22, then he would finish medical school about 26, and then he had some internships which would probably put him about age 29. If he trained in any specialties that could last til the mid 30's.

So - that leaves a few years experience as an independant doctor - roughly (if he didn't get specialized training).

And Lehi (sorry about the name mix up - my bad), I don't know how old he is, but he appears to be about a year behind his brother - so approximately one year less practice as a Doc.

ATAR_i said...

Nope you didn't make your point.

The age of Mary at the virgin birth is not concrete. There is an apocryphal writing which refers to other activities around the time of her betrothal, a wedding would be approximately a year after that, and a birth (probaby less than 9 months after that) which hint to her age. Nothing in the Bible gives her age.

Bringing abortion into this debate does nothing more than detract from the discussion. We're talking about warren - and as far as I know - he hasn't had one.

He has done the things he's accused of doing - those things just happen to be against the law (wether you like it or not).

Anonymous said...

If we are observing the Hebrew Law and applying it to Warren, then as a false prophet or one who has been wrong many times, he would then be subject to being stoned to death. Is this a buffet where some old laws apply and not others?

onthestreet said...

Righty, Atarry, those things Jesus did just happened to be against the law, (weather forecast you like it or not). Can you concede that your Redeemer broke the law, and thus got crucified? What are we actually talking about here, personality or principle, and which is more pertinent and germain to the issues of law and religion? Jesus was a criminal to both the Roman Feds and the Jewish state, as also all his prophets are, but who was REALLY guilty?

Anonymous said...

You get so close, then you fall flat.

The point is, Jesus was innocent. Pilate the Roman governor said so and washed his hands of the whole thing. King Herod even found no fault with Jesus, but turned him over to be crucified, not at the behest of the state, but the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem who were threatened by him. Much the same way Warren crucifies anyone he sees as a threat. People like Allen Steed.

Game, Set, Match

ATAR_i said...

Lord Have Mercy - What did they teach you?

Anonymous said...

Atar - Lehi and Lloyd are not brothers. They are cousins. They also went to grade school together and while I don't know their birthdates, I presume they are close in age. Please get your facts straight before trying to sound like an authority on the matter. Thanks.

ATAR_i said...

My bad.

Anonymous said...

Cousins could still be brothers, in a weird Short Crick kinda way!

onthestreet said...

Ask many who were "crucified" by Warren, and they can not only still talk, but also very favorably of Warren. Everyone has admitted (and marvelled) over why they sit and take it, and love him for it. See, they're not dead, not even in the Lord.

Ahhh, I get sooo close, and then the flat tire is for YOU. If the prophet saw you as a threat, it is because YOU ARE. The prophet is duty bound to do God's work of trying and proving the saints, that the wheat not be spoiled. So if you got caught not being a saint, don't smile at his radience, smile at the radience in the mirror.

Anonymous said...

Straight Shot says,
You are getting very bold, crude, and more like a bad rash all the time. You better watch that rash or you might find your profit putting YFZ Holy anointed cream on it. (just a caution)
It's beginning to get more clear all the time -- you say we could talk to all those that Warren Jeffs
"crucified" and they would speak favorably of him -- now it is clear -- you are all the evicted Barlows, Fishers, Jessops, Quintons, Blackmores, Olers, Neilsons, Roundy's, Palmer's, Johnson's, ....... in one. That's where the multi-personality thing is coming from.
Some of these people were great scriptorians, some were just ordinary hard-working people, some were twisted and strange just like other parts of the population - but none of them were or ever have been as dangerous, heartless, and without human compassion as Warren Jeffs.
If ya'll are so happy to sing your profit's praises you really need to get to it. Either come out in open, help your evicted sons and daughtersn that need you and speak up or dissapear into the same slimy hole Warrren is in. And we hear there are no computors for ya'll to post where he is.
God save us all.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, a nony mouse caught in another lie. I said (and I paste-quote): Ask MANY who were. . .

Po widdo liar still lian.
See, you didn't have to write an entire book to object to one tiny gnat, while swallowing a camel.
Now go get some milk and cookies, then lie down for a nap, but quit lying (and especially while people are down).

Anonymous said...

To ;-) 6/13/2005
First they say, "he never wants to see you." then they say repent. Then they say, worry not, and fear not, repent and he will bless you. Then they say go away, and then they say repent so he can bless you. It is no wonder, if the girl realy is not crazy, from the mixed messages. And if you look close at the court records, it was not her who took anything away, but forgave them all that day.

onthestreet said...

And if you look close, every message they give is consistent:
"Get out," and "Repent", then you needn't worry or fear, then "Go Away: You haven't repented yet," then "Repent,and he will bless you."

Now that is all one message: Repent and go away till you do.
But woe: Only a child can understand it. Many of you haven't advanced that far yet.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Warren Jeffs messages to me, have been consistant. He said, "I love you" Any thing more or less than that, I will not listen too. I love him with all my heart and soul. I am waiting for him. And He is not the one who sent me away. It is others that claim to have an athority on what he thinks and says, There is the inconsistantcys. I will hold to the love he sent me.

onthestreet said...

Absolutely. You've got it, Sis.

onthestreet said...


I'm trying to create my own thread on my own, so I can edit my thread as needed. I emailed you about this over a week ago, but no response. So I posted my request on several threads. Still no response. Did you die, are you okay?

Now I know that you emailed me back, and this is what you said:

Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:11:03 -0500
From: "Texas Polygamy"
Contact Details
Subject: Re: STREET

Sorry, only admn...or users with admin authority can delete posts. There is no need to copy and paste old posts simply to keep them at the top. If they are old posts, let them cycle off to the archives.
Weblog Admin

ADMIN: I'm not trying to "keep posts on top. How vain is that? Just need to be able to edit my own thread, you see?

Now, I clicked on the red blog logo in the upper left corner of the blog page, and got the next page, but there was no green plus sign. So I need admin authority to edit my own thread, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. How about it?

Hey, maybe you don't read all the threads, I don't know. Tell you what: I'll post this request on all the threads, so you'll see it.

Thank you Sir.

Anonymous said...

Reply to 6/13/2005 3:07 PM Anonymous: WOW and kind of eerie. You nailed it. Good post.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said...
Nope you didn't make your point.

The age of Mary at the virgin birth is not concrete. There is an apocryphal writing which refers to other activities around the time of her betrothal, a wedding would be approximately a year after that, and a birth (probaby less than 9 months after that) which hint to her age. Nothing in the Bible gives her age.

STREET's Reply:


"The priest could say: "Listen, if there was anyone who had "extenuating circumstances," it was the Blessed Virgin Mary. She was underage. She was betrothed to a man who could rightfully reject her. Her family could reject her, too, leaving her without moral or economic support. And she faced public stoning for carrying a child whose father was not her husband. She had every reason to tell the Angel Gabriel, "Get out o' here!" But she said, "Yes!"


Besides the striking use of 70 years (or multiples), another aspect of this dating that might go unnoticed, is how young Mary was when the Angel Gabriel appeared to her to announce the conception and birth of Jesus. Referring to the Catholic Encylopedia Dictionary, it says that according to Jewish customs, Mary would have been between 12 and 12 1/2 when she was betrothed to Joseph, and another year would pass before that solemn marriage ceremony. Therefore, it is no wonder, that Mary said to the Archangel Gabriel at the Annunciation: "How can this be since I do not know man?" (Luke 1: 34). Mary was so young at the time of the Annunciation, and slightly "underage."


Mary was a virgin, betrothed but not yet married. This gives us some clues about her age, since we know from contemporary sources that young women often were betrothed for a full year before the actual marriage ceremony took place, and that she was probably a very young teenager.[1]


Mary was avowed to be a Virgin and She lived in the Temple until She was 12 years of age. Then She was betrothed to Joseph at the bidding of God's angel who ordered all to gather their sticks, with everyone's name written on his own stick, and place them in the altar. Joseph's stick sprouted. So, he received the Virgin and took Her home. It is also said that a dove appeared out of Joseph's stick and that it flew and settled on his head.

In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel, as a herald of the great news to Mary saying: "Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee.. Blessed art thou among women.... Thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus."

5. The Lord requires the first seed that opens the womb(that's the firstling of the flock), and the first or initial puberty of the virgin. So what is the age of puberty?

Menarche is a late feature of female puberty. It has a mean age of onset of 13 years, ranging from 11 to 15 years (underage).


Mary gave birth to Jesus after a trip from Nazareth to Bethlehem in Judea for Caesar Agustus had called a census in approximately 6-4 years B.C. Everyone had to go to their family home to register. Women from the age of 12 years as will as men had to pay tax, so both Mary and her husband Joseph were forced to travel south. This meant Mary had to travel from Galilee to Judea at the time she was ready to give birth.


Luke tells us that Mary was living at Nazareth when Jesus' conception by the Holy Spirit was announced by the angel, Gabriel (Lk 1:26). Lk 1:5 sets these events during the reign of Herod the Great. Scholars estimate this reign lasted from 37 - 4 B.C. Luke adds that, at that time, Mary was a virgin betrothed to "a man named Joseph of the house of David" (v. 27). The Hebrew Scriptures set the normal age for betrothal: 12-1/2.

onthestreet said...

Now, here is something that Jesus himself did with a 12-year old girl, that's symbolic of conception at that young age:

"Then he took the child by the hand and said to her: Talitha Cumi, which is translated: "Little girl, I say to you arise." Immediately, the girls "arose and walked, for she was twelve years of age."

Now this scripture is very specific to emphasize relationship between the age of twelve and 'arising and walking', or the act of marriage in becoming an adult. We know that the Bible is in code, and the scripture reminds us that "without a parable spake he not unto them." (Mt 13:34), that the prophet's saying might be fulfilled: "I will open my mouth in parables. I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.

ATAR_i said...


One thing I NEVER thought I would see

Street quoting an 'apostate' source to make his point.

I always expect OTS to come up with stuff like - 'when Jesus healed the young girl - he really just meant she was old enough to get married'

I can't stop laughing

Men In Black said...

STREET's Reply:


I've been through these links and don't see what you see. The Catholic church's version from Latin or King James? I have my Greek New Testament in hand, give me the verses that state the age as 12, so I can verify these! Some of your links are questionable at best!

All I get out of this, is that you are justifying Pedophilia using cultural and regional practises of 2,000 years ago that are still questionable.

Pedophilia defined;

Sexual attraction to a child; clinically, a person sixteen years of age or older who is at least five years older than the child. Pedophiles will prefer males, females, or both. Generally considered to be an incurable mental disorder.


From its Greek roots, pedophilia implies love of a child ("paidos" + "philia"). In practice, pedophiles are typically adult males with exclusive sexual preferences for prepubescent boys and/or girls. Adult women can be diagnosed as pedophiles as well as some postpubertal adolescents. Pedophilia is not synonomous with child molestation ( pedophilia being a subcategory of child molestation). There are clear and specific criteria for diagnosing pedophilia in the DSM.


(American English) (greek pais boy, child, and philia friendship, ICD-10 F65.4) is the primary sexual attraction toward prepubescent children. Alternative spellings in British English are paedophilia or pædophilia. Pedosexuality is used as a synonym.


A sexual dysfunction where the person achieves sexual arousal or satisfaction only through the sexual exposure of children ie either watching them naked or undressing them or indulging in child pornography. A pedophilic may not necessarily have sex with the child to attain satisfaction, but enjoys the vulnerability of a child. A pedophiliac may have some experience of sexual trauma in his own childhood.

Hey Dude! The law in this country is clear. If you want to go back to biblical times eating locust and stoning false prophets, go 7,000 east and make a right turn!

All serious, give me the biblical quotes and I will check them in the Greek Text. So far, the scripture quotes don't say what you have stated herein. Is this like that mystical hell She'Ol?

Anonymous said...

OK MIB! I did warn you on another post! Street made a right turn in the loony bin. You keep trying to have a logical argument with an unarmed person. Either give it up or accept the fact that he is never going to make sense and you are tilting at windmills.

onthestreet said...

Ahh-Tar: Ahh, there is truth everywhere, and in the air. Even apostate churches have truth. As Brigham says: We will accept truth from whatever source, for all truth and all true science and art, all true politics and sociology, are part of this Gospel.

As for Jesus really meaning to say this or that, remember:
"Without a parable, spake he not unto them." (Mt.13:34)

Men In Black said...
OTS: "I've been through these links and don't see what you see."

That's right, you don't see. Well put, "Having eyes and see ye not." (Mk 8:18).

GBNF said...

Streeeet, David, Sam, whomever you maybe today: can't handle the truth!

ATAR_i said...

Well at least I'm not A Tarry Roof anymore!

Anonymous said...

What became of Steve Barlow? Wasn't he some kind of a shrink? Is he still around or hasn't ole
Warren heard about his bar room hops? Great dancer that boy.

onthestreet said...


May God bless you forever with faithful children, as numerous as the stars of heaven.

onthestreet said...

Happy Independence Day as well. I just got back from the late late works of fire, so it's the dawning of a new day.

Anonymous said...

Do the FLDS not believe in the bible? Is that why in response to "streets" comments you said he quoted an apostate book?

onthestreet said...

To such, even God is an apostate, and Satan is their God.