Sunday, June 12, 2005

People and Places

This area is specifically for people looking for information
on the people from Short Creek, YFZ, and Bountiful

(hopefully I haven't left anyone out).

Many people are trying to share information about
friends and family that they have lost touch with.
Please help them.

152 comments:

weblog administrator said...

Thanks, Atar_i, you beat me to it.

ATAR_i said...

I'm just here to serve : )

Anonymous said...

Wow you guys! You rock! I asked, you delivered! Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if it is true that Bill Shapley was allowed to return to his family in CC?

Anonymous said...

I was wondering if anybody has seen or heard from Allen or Lee Keate in the last year or so? Allen has been gone for a couple or years or so, and I believe Lee has been missing for about a year.

hear say says that: said...

It is my understanding that Bill Shapley does not live in his home, but in a trailor. Also that he does help with some of their living expenses.

ATAR_i said...

Has Lenore been able to see her daughter, to talk with her, hug her. I really cannot imagine the torment - and my heart goes out to her.

Who did Lenore's daughter marry? Is he soon to be an apostate?

Anonymous said...

Atari;

This story has a beautiful ending..Lenore's daughter finally did marry after she turned 18. She married Wynn Jessop, whom she had fallen madly in love with before she married him. This is the good part of the story that of course MIB doesn't tell.... When Wynn saw what was happening with Warren's quest for power, he gathered up his family and told them what was happening, and left the community for good. His first wife chose not to follow him, and was remarried to someone else in the FLDS. Wynn Jessop now works for Nichole's father in his construction business, is good friends with both of her parents, Lenore included. Nichole calls her mother on a regular basis.


...and so they all lived happily ever after!!

ATAR_i said...

How old is Wynn? Does he only have one wife now? What happened to his children from his first wife?

Is Lenore happy?

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Anonymous said...

To the blog administrator:

I can't start a thread, and would prefer to continue posting as an anonymous. But I do have a really good idea for a thread. I would call it "FLDS Dictionary".

It is clear to those who are even vaguely familiar with the FLDS people, and to those who read this blog, that the FLDS have their own definitions for many words. For example, "uncle" and "aunt", "brother" and "sister", "father" and "mother" do not mean what they do to most. I was surprised to hear that the word "apostate" does not include regular LDS people. Most outsiders are confused by the terms "first warder" and "second warder".

I think it would be enlightening, and maybe even humorous to see what come up in an "FLDS Dictionairy" thread.

'Preesheeatecha. (there's another one already.)

ATAR_i said...

I'm not the administrator, but I can start a thread.

*poof*

It's done

onthestreet said...

See, she just acts like the administrator, even to the point of accentuation her awsome powers of "poof", puff, and other gasious emissions.

Anonymous said...

hey you all hi!!!!

onthestreet said...

Hi you all, hey!!!

Anonymous said...

Atari

Wynn is about 43 or 44, and he only has Nichole for a wife, and his children from his first wife chose to stay with their mother.

Anonymous said...

Straight Shot says,
How does a 2,4,6,7,8,10 and 12 year old choose to say good-bye to a Daddy -- Oh excuse me -- a Father, they loved very much.

I know they loved Nicole too and so this would be traumatic for them as well.

Sounds lovely the way you put it and slam MIB for not telling the "Happily ever after" part of the story -- but how horrible is that.

We all know Lenore struggled and was far from a perfect mother but, MY God, there was some absolutely unforgivable trick, lies, and other devious manouevers used to manipulate Nicole in that situation.

Just like all the other "child bride" situations where they have been taken across International borders and impregnated, everyone is very happy the ones we know about are OK now -- and some of them are even allowed out to tell us how happy and everly after they are with their husbands 25 years older than they are but that doesn't excuse what happened either.

If Nicole is happy then, glory be! but is there a way to find out if all the baby girls Warren Jeffs is still assigning or taking to himself are OK?

By the way - How is Janetta Jessop?
God save us all.

Anonymous said...

If Lenore is so damn wonderful, then why doesn't it seem weird that SHE has had 3 or 4 husbands, too, and her kids didn't know who to call daddy either? Hhhmm? She is just as guilty of these deeds (AND MORE!!) as anyone else. Check out her police and incarceration record of child abuse, evading a police officer, drunk driving, high speed chase through 3 states, bad check writing, etc, etc etc. Pick a different example.

And yes, it really, really sucks that there are Jannetta Jessops out there. I just think that you should choose a different mascot, that's all.

Anonymous said...

info please on :
Vaughan Taylor(his daughter ran away from an arranged marriage in 2001)
Lloyd Walls family(epecially married ones)
Lorin Fischer (about 30yrs old or so)
Ben Thomas
Scott Rohbock
Bauer family
Wayne and Dale Hunter



thanks

Anonymous said...

Straight Shot Says,
Just about everyone knows all of Lenores faults, alcoholism, bad checks and all. Just about everyone else know how Apostle Alma Timpson, her father, was an alcoholic as well??? HOw the heck -did there get to be and alcohol problem that has existed for 40 years at least, in towns that were supposed to be an example sparkling as a beacon on the hill for the gentile nations to see??

You are right on -- But think about it for a minute -- and remember -- There but for the grace of God go I!!

You know the difference between at least 50 percent of incarcerated felons and you and I?? We haven't been caught yet.

If you have a stellar life and can be an example to the rest of us then good on ya!!! You may also be one of the other people who suffered when Lenore was having her really bad days -- but -- where was the prophet and any other adult care-giver that should have been watching out to make sure children and other people weren't getting hurt and she was getting help - even if it meant detox???
Oh I know!! They were all so busy trying to say that are no abuses in the FLDS that you would let kids suffer before you would go to the right people for help.
So scald Lenore -- she probably knows as well as you do where she deserves it and thank God you aren't her.
God help us all.

Anonymous said...

This doesn't target anyone inparticular or, should I say this targets all of us. He/She who is without sin, cast the first stone. He/She who is without negative emotional, physical, mental and political issues, then please judge if you feel you are worthy. Don't judge others untill you have walked a mile in their moccasins.
All us us have dark periods of time and situations in our lives. It's up to us individually to change what makes us have pain. We learn by the things that we suffer. No one can do it for us, and at times it is damned hard to even realize or find out what is wrong. Not to mention the strengh and courage to change ourselves and the circumstances around us for the better. It doesn't matter who we are, our last name, our race color or creed. There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us that it's best we just look inside and realize that we would be happier if we will extend charity,love, amd help to those in need and leave the judging to God. Haven't we all been in need at some time? Wasn't it wonderful to be there for someone, or some one to be there for us. I say God bless us all.

Anonymous said...

My point exactly! If those people choose to allow Warren to destroy their lives, let them! What difference does it make to any of us? Usually the people who throw the most stones are the ones with the most skeletons in their closet. Right, MIB?

onthestreet said...

Right! Now you're getting it. They choose to give up their all to him, according to the order they have chosen, according to the scripture:

"Ye, every pot (Ciyr: Seer) in Jerusalem (Yerushalaim: Founded peaceful) shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts, and ALL THEY THAT SACRIFICE shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day, there shall be no more Canaanite (Kenaanah: trafficker, merchant, pedler) in the house of the Lord of hosts.

All have given up their own possessions and private interpretations and selfish aspirations, for the glory of God.

So hands off!

onthestreet said...

"The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind, which when it was full they drew to shore and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast away the bad." (Mt.13:47)

So I'm impressed how well you are hitting the nail squarely on the head, saying it like it is.

onthestreet said...

Hey, anyone going to answer this dude:

Anonymous said...
info please on :

Vaughan Taylor(daughter ran away from arranged marriage in 2001)

Lloyd Walls family(married ones)
Lorin Fischer (30yrs old or so)
Ben Thomas
Scott Rohbock
Bauer family
Wayne and Dale Hunter

thanks
6/13/2005 11:31 PM

onthestreet said...

Who goes? Knock and it shall be opened: Taltelah: send out, overthrow. Kratos: Power, vigor.

Anonymous said...

TO THE ONE WHO WANTED INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE I CAN HELP. BUT I NEED TO KNOW YOUR EMAIL AND I WILL CONTACT YOU

onthestreet said...

Here's the email. Feel free to contact me anytime, anyone.

streetmoderator@yahoo.com

onthestreet said...

Hey, nony, how does the dude person who originally posted the request get you an email, without posting it? Maybe admin can help.

onthestreet said...

ADMIN:

I'm trying to create my own thread on my own, so I can edit my thread as needed. I emailed you about this over a week ago, but no response. So I posted my request on several threads. Still no response. Did you die, are you okay?

Now I know that you emailed me back, and this is what you said:

Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:11:03 -0500
From: "Texas Polygamy"
Contact Details
Subject: Re: STREET

Sorry, only admn...or users with admin authority can delete posts. There is no need to copy and paste old posts simply to keep them at the top. If they are old posts, let them cycle off to the archives.
Weblog Admin

ADMIN: I'm not trying to "keep posts on top. How vain is that? Just need to be able to edit my own thread, you see?

Now, I clicked on the red blog logo in the upper left corner of the blog page, and got the next page, but there was no green plus sign. So I need admin authority to edit my own thread, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. How about it?

Hey, maybe you don't read all the threads, I don't know. Tell you what: I'll post this request on all the threads, so you'll see it.

Thank you Sir.
Street

ogre said...

anonymous 4:33 p.m.
I was the poster wondering about those folks

Anonymous said...

"so hands off" says street. Well weve seen how long that lasts.
NAME

Someone who values friendship said...

I would like to know the where a bouts of my good friend Mike Emack. Mike is such a sensible thinking guy that I can't imagine him being involved in such atrocities as seem to be happening to the people from Hilldale and Colorado City. Mike seemed to not know the existance of the Texas compound. He told his family that no place even existed. Mike is such an honest decent fellow I can't believe he would outright lie to his family. Mike spent time in the Vietnam war. I'm sure he would not fall into a communistic rule as seems to be practiced in FLDS compound in Eldorado Texas. On the other hand if those people are building something technical such as a creamatorium, they would have to have Mike to design the workings of such a thing. Mike is what I consider to be a jenius in working with technology. Mike if you are still around out there, or if anyone knows his where a bouts. Please post a message to inform us.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any info on Elmer or Marion Steed and their families?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Mike's in Eldorado. And he knew about the joint from the first. He probably lied to his family because of "divine" commandment. Nobody was good enough to know where their dads were.

Anonymous said...

I don't know very much about any of these people, but I can tell you this..MIKE EMACK IS NOT A LIAR. A CLEANER, MORE CHRIST-LIKE MAN COULD NEVER BE FOUND! If he is in Eldorado, it is because his heart tells him to be. Leave the this sweet, patriotic, innocent man out of this!

Anonymous said...

Mike Emack is a follower...in Texas.

Anonymous said...

Is this Mike Emack an electrician?

Anonymous said...

I would really appreciate some info on Amulek Barlow, Alma Barlow's son. Thanks in advance.

onthestreet said...

ADMIN:

I TRIED TO MAKE MY NEW THREAD AGAIN. NO GREEN PLUS. TELL YOU WHAT, I WON'T POST THIS IN ALL THE TREADS, BUT I DO NEED TO GET YOUR ATTENTION SOMEHOW. I'LL LIMIT MYSELF TO EVERY OTHER THREAD.

THAT BETTER? HELL, TELL ME WHAT'S UP.

I'm trying to create my own thread on my own, so I can edit my thread as needed. I emailed you about this over a week ago, but no response. So I posted my request on several threads. Still no response. Did you die, are you okay?

Now I know that you emailed me back, and this is what you said:

Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:11:03 -0500
From: "Texas Polygamy"
Contact Details
Subject: Re: STREET

Sorry, only admn...or users with admin authority can delete posts. There is no need to copy and paste old posts simply to keep them at the top. If they are old posts, let them cycle off to the archives.
Weblog Admin

ADMIN: I'm not trying to "keep posts on top. How vain is that? Just need to be able to edit my own thread, you see?

Now, I clicked on the red blog logo in the upper left corner of the blog page, and got the next page, but there was no green plus sign. So I need admin authority to edit my own thread, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. How about it?

Hey, maybe you don't read all the threads, I don't know. Tell you what: I'll post this request on all the threads, so you'll see it.

Thank you Sir.
Street

onthestreet said...

Mike is what I consider to be a jenius in working with technology. Mike if you are still around out there, or if anyone knows his where a bouts. Please post a message to inform us.
6/14/2005 9:25 PM

STREET's Reply: WHY SHOULD HE.

Anonymous said...

Where does David Draper live now? I understand he was booted some time ago. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

He lives in Tempe, AZ. Works at a home depot.

rumor-has-it said...
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Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Atari;

This story has a beautiful ending..Lenore's daughter finally did marry after she turned 18. She married Wynn Jessop, whom she had fallen madly in love with before she married him. This is the good part of the story that of course MIB doesn't tell.... When Wynn saw what was happening with Warren's quest for power, he gathered up his family and told them what was happening, and left the community for good. His first wife chose not to follow him, and was remarried to someone else in the FLDS. Wynn Jessop now works for Nichole's father in his construction business, is good friends with both of her parents, Lenore included. Nichole calls her mother on a regular basis.


...and so they all lived happily ever after!!

6/13/2005 11:20 AM

WHY DOESN'T MIKE WATKISS DO A FOLLOWUP PROGRAM ON THIS STORY.

ATAR_i said...

I'm glad it turned out well, how do you feel it could have been done differently - so there was less pain to get to this place?

Let me submit that

1. A girl that age should never have been given to marry.

2. Even if a girl that age was told to marry a fellow she liked, because of her mothers 'lack of permission', the marriage could have waited til she was older and could make the decision for herself.

3. If, for whatever reason, the 16 year old girl was anxious (fear of dissaproval, excitement over being married), all efforts could have been made to encourage her to be patient, and that running away, and hiding from her mother, probably shouldn't be encouraged by her church.

If she had waited the two years, til she was able to give consent for herself to be married (since she did not have parental permission) what harm would that have caused?

Anonymous said...

Amen! That is what I began asking 6 years ago when all the mass marriages began and the girls got younger and younger. Just what would it hurt to let them wait?

Unless, of course, that the prevailing powers were afraid that with a little maturity would come a little thinking power and then all would be lost. . .

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know anything else about the Tennesee-Georgia-Florida
splinter groups are they for real?or just products of some fertile imagination?I am curious because I live in Chatanooga.and have never
heard of polygamists in the east.

Anonymous said...

I'm proud of being a Barlow.

Warren Jeffs has tried to destroy the last name, when he kicked out Louis, Dan, Joe, and Truman. These mens children, even as old as 60 yrs old, changed their names to whomever the mother married

Louis Barlow's wives married:
Isabell = Donald Richter
Lucy = Richard Allred, didn't work out, moved to Donald Richters
Loana = Steven Harker
Ireta = Kevin Barlow, (Her nephew)
Kayleene = Nathan Jessop
Vivian?
Mildred ?
Abby Kay Wyler = Donald Richter

We bless these men with a Irish Blessing, may they have done to them what they did to Louis Barlow.

Anonymous said...

where did Trumans wives end up at?Sixteenth Son.

Anonymous said...

Oh my gosh this is fun! It's like sitting around the old cafeteria listening to the men gossip. . .I mean preach the gospel. It was very entertaining to read what happened to all of Louis' wives. Now dish the dirt on Allen Steed's wives. And what about David Steed? Did he really lose his family(s) too? And where did they all go (again)?

Anonymous said...

I am for girls waiting until they are older to marry, also. But there is a twist you should consider. The same environment that is creating this mess, also makes the girls want to get married as a way of escaping their home - probably like a lot of teenagers, only possibly worse. The options for getting out are feel more limited. Marriage is a viable option. The problem is that they seldom realize that it may not be better in their new family.

onthestreet said...

Right. By delaying the work of God, there is a TWIST, and a MESS. Marry young, like the Virgin Mary, and be a virgin still.

ATAR_i said...

There are LEGAL, MORAL, AND HEALTH for young girls to wait to become married. I don't see the upside - someone wanna fill me in?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Sam Draper? Is he still hanging around the creek or has he been booted?

Anonymous said...

Anybody know where Woody is? Is he in Texas?

Anonymous said...

Sam Draper's not "booted" - still at the creek.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know where Leroy Steed is? He is my older brother, and I miss him !!! I hope and pray that he and his family are all well and happy!! God Bless .....

Anonymous said...

Which Roundy's have gotten the boot so far??

Anonymous said...

Leroy Steed, was one of the first to go to Texas, if you look at the pictures on the Web, you can see his grey van down there. To date I think he is still down there in good standing, who knows for how much longer.

Woody was working for a excavation/landscape/rockwall company call Goodwork. I think he is still in.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Anonymous 6/16/2005 5:23 PM
What kind of vows do these ladies give THEIR MAN OF THE HOUR?

Are vows even exchanged in a celestrial marriage?

A vow is a pretty serious thing.

I prefer to use GIVEN IN ADULTREY.


Louis Barlow's wives married:
Isabell = Donald Richter
Lucy = Richard Allred, didn't work out, moved to Donald Richters
Loana = Steven Harker
Ireta = Kevin Barlow, (Her nephew)
Kayleene = Nathan Jessop
Vivian?
Mildred ?
Abby Kay Wyler = Donald Richter

Matt Draper said...

Has anyone heard from Daniel Draper in recent years? I'd love to hear from him!

onthestreet said...

UNCLE WARREN! HAPPY FATHERS DAY!

May God bless you forever with faithful children, as numerous as the stars of heaven.

men in black said...

HAPPY FATHERS DAY UNCLE WARREN!
MAY YOU HAVE LONG LIFE AND MANY MANY CHILREN!

Anonymous said...

Will you make up your mind men in black. Are you pro- warren or anti-warren?

Anonymous said...

He probably is Warren!

Anonymous said...

You just insulted Warren by wishing him "Happy Fathers Day" .That is a wicked tradition you know. His father would have cursed you for wishing him such, so I suppose his son will double curse you. And just think, all for being a good father. Now that is just par for the course.

alj said...

I am wondering where Susie is? she is my cousin and sister in law and I miss her.

rumor-has-it said...

Ya Gotta have Last Names and married to on here or we can't tell who is who

Anonymous said...

I heard that Preston Barlow got kicked out a while ago...does any one know which Preston? Alvins or Dans

Anonymous said...

Are there any extra Mother's out there? Or Grand mothers? I would like to adopt one.

Anonymous said...

To 9:46 A.M. Post:

You don't have to worry about a curse from Warren, none of his prophecies have ever come true . . .

alj said...

Susie Blackmore Johnson

Anonymous said...

Also where is Woody BLackmore?And Daysee Blackmore Cooke

Anonymous said...

Heard that when some texas wana be told Mike Emac that he couldn't wait to go there, Mike said that he wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Anonymous said...

If Mike actually said that, why post Names and get him in trouble?

Anonymous said...

Woody Blackmore still lives in Cananda. He lives at his unlce Macs house. He is married but he doesnt ever go and visit his parents or siblings. Daysey Blackmore Cook lives down in CC and is married to Dean Cooks son Jason.

quiet canadian said...

Don Holm
Keith Holm
Fred Lindsay
Leroy Holm
Craig Roundy
Some of my many friends whom I have been aquainted with. Can anyone tell me, what has become of them?

Anonymous said...

Dale Barlow - older Dale was kicked out but the younger one is Dan Barlows son and is on the lamb
Jonathan Roundy - still in. He is one of the cops
Eli Collie sp? -Out for 15 years or more - he went with the Centenial group but is reported to have left them too. -
Dan C Jessop his brother Joe - Older man. He is Ross's wifes grand father. Still in with Warren and VERY obedient.
Henry Jessop - Son of Dan C. Jessop. Henry's wife packed up and left him and the 'work' with her children.
Denis Jessop - Kicked out for molesting his children 10 plus years ago.
Lee Bistline Sr. - Jayne's Wyler's father - He is still in and was head of the School Board.
Arnold Jessop - Also Dan C. Jessop's son (Henry's Brother) They call him Ernie and he is still in with Warren.
Doran Jessop - Another son of Dan C and big brother to Henry) He is still in the work
Art Blackmore - He just got kicked out. He is still lives in CC and is married to one of Lee Bisline's daughters. She is the only wife he has left as the other two of his wifes have left him. He ran the Store in CC until he was kicked out.

CEO

Anonymous said...

DOES ANY ONE KNOW ABOUT WHERE SUSIE JOHNSON IS?

onthestreet said...

DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE WHEREABOUTS OF THEIR TRUE SELF?

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
You just insulted Warren by wishing him "Happy Fathers Day" .That is a wicked tradition you know. His father would have cursed you for wishing him such, so I suppose his son will double curse you. And just think, all for being a good father. Now that is just par for the course. 6/20/2005 9:46 AM

STREET's Reply: That's because every day is father's day. A father who is true and faithful to the Lord in his prophet rules supremely as God does, and all things are his. "All that my Father hath, shall he give unto you." Tsnot for everyone.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
You just insulted Warren by wishing him "Happy Fathers Day" .That is a wicked tradition you know. His father would have cursed you for wishing him such, so I suppose his son will double curse you. And just think, all for being a good father. Now that is just par for the course. 6/20/2005 9:46 AM

STREET's Reply: That's because every day is father's day. A father who is true and faithful to the Lord in his prophet rules supremely as God does, and all things are his. "All that my Father hath, shall he give unto you." Tsnot for everyone.

Anonymous said...

I don't think you know where your self is "streety"!! Just cause you haven't a heart or a care of any one except Warren.

Anonymous said...

To the "Preston" wonderer:
It was Alvin's son Preston. He had just been promoted to "Polygamist" (received another wife) and was called on a divine and holy mission to Texas. Went down there and lo and behold got stripped and sent away. Actually, that is what has happened to MANY men who "get" to go to Texas. Allen Steed, Ernie Jessop, Preston Barlow, Fred Lindsay, Dixon Kapcsos, LeRoy Jeffs, etc etc. I guess it's not really that great an honor, and anyone who is looking to be called ougtta be watchin their behinds and keepin an eye on their families.

Actually, I had wondered if Streety wasn't the Preston you're wondering about. He seems to have that old Alvin Barlow gift of gab about him.

Anonymous said...

We have phoned to Uncle Macs house for Wooody and we have asked everybody but they all say that they do not know where he lives. It seems as though he is lost and nobody has any clue where he is. Or eveyone just lies.

Anonymous said...

why dont you file a missing persons report and then e will have to call you? ...for Woody Blackmore...

Anonymous said...

Hey that is a good idea.......

Anonymous said...

Woody Blackmore does live with Mac's family. Why they lied and said they dont know where he lives is beyond me. He works with Macs boys and he is always seen with them. Maybe they are afraid that if someone talks to Woody then his mind may be changed and he will no longer follow Warren. That seems to be all of the Warrenites greatest fears.

Anonymous said...

For whoever was wondering if Street is Preston Barlow...



I can tell you, oh, hell no!! Preston would NEVER stoop to the stupidity that Street does. He is much more dignified than that. He is a highly educated Paramedic of the most advanced degree, and in fact is a teacher of paramedics. He is much more socially skilled than Street is.

I believe he is still a Paramedic Educator for other fire departments, and is just going about his life the best he knows how. I doubt that he even has time to look at the blog.


I know Tom Barlow, Sam Draper, Preston Barlow and David Draper, and I bet big bucks that David Draper is Street.



Wild Thang from CC

rumor-has-it said...

If I had lost my family and friends and all that I held near and dear to me, I would go nuts myself.
You have to have a heart! At least Ruth and OTS can talk about it. I can't hear anyone say "Mother" without crying for my mother (that doesn't love me any more). You have no idea what could happen in your head if it happened to you.

Anonymous said...

I know Woody used to live with Uncle Mac but it is just recently, well in the last few months, that they say they dont knw where he is.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Woody is worthy to go live in the Texas compound like Spencer is.

alj said...

I am looking for Melissa Blackmore, she is (was) my best friend growing up and it was her birthday the other day and she was on my mind.....Any info would be muchly appricated..just want to wish her happy birthday and see how she doing.

Stinger said...

Melissa is doing very good. She isn't married yet and still lives with her mother.
Email me at stinger107@excite.com and I will tell you how to get in touch with her.

Anonymous said...

Hey wild thang:
I have to agree with rumor. You really don't know how sane a person is (or could possibly be) if he has just willingly abandoned his family just because another man told him to. That act in itself has to show some degree of insanity or utter stupidity. Both of which street seems to have abundantly.

Anonymous said...

to alj,
I am Melissas big sister. So you know who I am. I wanted to take melissa out to dinner for her birthday and her mother wouldn't let me. Somtimes I think I dont even know her. we used to be very close.

Anonymous said...

BTW Wild Thang, since you seem to know so much about Preston, where has he relocated to? None of his friends have an idea where he is.

Anonymous said...

Hey ALJohnson how are you doing down south? I hope all if going well with you and your husband.

Anonymous said...

I hear that Preston is in Pheonix, but that is just hearsay. There was one report that put him in Mesquite, but I dont think that is true at the present. He may have been at one point, but not now. I hope he keeps busy teaching EMT and paramedic classes. He really knows his stuff.

Anonymous said...

Hmmmmmm. Preston's in Phoenix. Street is in Phoenix. Just one more strike.

Anonymous said...

Hey does anyone know if it is true that Bygnal Dutson Sr. was booted? Also, who else was? It is ususally between 4-8 people and/or families that get "corrected" at a time...

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard if Lawrence Barlow or any of Uncle Alvin's boys are still in good standing with Warren?


Also, is Arthur Blackmore still running the store?

Anonymous said...

You guys back off about Preston Barlow! I have always Known him to be Decent, good to people, and just honorable. I cannot understand why he was handled in such a manner, but he's not the kind of a person to spend any time putting other people down. Thank you, Wildthangfrom CC. And if anyone sees preston, please tell him that he has a dear friend who thinks the world of him, and hopes the best for him wherever he is.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if Lee Keate is still in good standing with the powers that be.?
And has anybody with the Keate last name been handled.?
Just trying to dispell a disturbing rumor.

alj said...

We are doing good,,,, email me @ theprettyandpink@hotmail.com..

Anonymous said...

Hey Does anyone know how Suzanna Blackmore is doing? I heard she had her baby and her husband (Spencer Blackmore) wasn't at the birth and hasn't cared to come see her. He should care for his family as well as his Prophet.

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to Uncle Orval Johnson? Is he still around? I heard that him and his family were sent to live somewhere else.

onthestreet said...

Just minding his business. FLDS fokes are famous for that.

Anonymous said...

I stumbled onto this website while doing research on the FLDS faith. I am trying to learn more about it because it holds a strange appeal for me. What things from the "outside" might I not know if I decided to join the "inside"? Do they accept female converts? What is daily life like in Colorado City? I thought this would be a good place to ask because the posting were pro and con. Thanks!

TR

HardHeaded said...

TR:
From the outside they look like really decent people and as a matter of fact they are for the most part. I'm from the inside so I would know as well as anyone. However, if you are thinking of joining up, it's really hard right now because everyone in leadership is in hiding (Warren Jeffs, church president, and Willie Timpson, bishop) and they are basically impossible to get a hold of unless you have a contact on the inside. The problem with that is everyone on the inside will not talk to anyone on the outside for fear of getting "corrected" and losing their families.
Just to educate you a little, if you did get in, you will find that everyone has a set state of mind as far as how to act and what to say to convince others that they are righteous, rather than studying the principals of the gospel and living the way they feel is right according to the principals of the gospel. Everyone seems to just want to impress someone else and if you have the slightest disagreement with anyone, you are looked upon as evil and word can quickly spread around the community that you are not in harmony with the "prophet". If you are in that state, living in Colorado City can be a perfect hell.
Be prepared ,TA, to give up all of your traditional ways of the world including but not limited to TV, Movies, any music not of FLDS descent, all holidays(yes that includes thanksgiving and the 4th of July, and Christmas) even eating out at restraunts when not absolutely necessary. You must wear long underwear that extends to the wrist and to the ankles and dresses that go no higher than halfway on the calf. Denim skirts are prohibited especially if they have a slit. All tight clothing that shows any form of the body are prohibited and a woman wearing pants is out of the question. Skirts and blouses, however, are ok.
All marriages are placed and you have no right to flirt with a young man if you are not married to him. That shouldn't be hard though because all of us young men have been taught to treat you women like snakes until we are married to you.
Other than that,.......have fun.

onthestreet said...

You definately would not want to join. You'd find yourself honored and protected and fulfilled beyond what you could probable handle. You'd also find that any man who dishonored you i
n any way would be swiftly chastised or exiled from your presence. Furthermore, you'd find that you would learn secret truths first in parable and in simplicity, and then in the deeper concepts if you ever went that far, which very few ever do. In short, you would be highly dissatisfied and disappointed, if your nature is in any way worldly and of this world, vs divine of the heavenly realms.

Do you still want to join?

HardHeaded said...

In short, you would be highly dissatisfied and disappointed, if your nature is in any way worldly and of this world, vs divine of the heavenly realms.

This is bottom line. I agree.
Before you even think about joining, make sure your soul is entirely free of all carnal desire. Get it out of your system first or you won't make it in that religion.

onthestreet said...

There, that wasn't so hard was it. You're using your head. What, you like have both (hard and head)?

onthestreet said...

. . . like having both? Huh?

Anonymous said...

Not every FLDS is like Warren's group. I would suggest looking around a little. There are many FLDS groups out there. Not all of them are as strict as Warrens group. I know there is a group in SLC. Also a group in Missouri. One that is called the "Allred group." Also Ivan Neilson has a group. Also a group that follows Winston Blackmore. If you are truly interested in living this kind of religion I would give it some thought and research. GOOD LUCK!!!

Anonymous said...

You are all suckers. It's just MIB or someone like him trying to see if anyone will lick their chops.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the info. I am truly interested, my grandparents were devout members, but my parents left before my father could take another wife. I'm interested in my "roots" as the lifestlye is not a big jump from where I am now. However, some questions on the FLDS "rules"

Can I swim?

Are there advantages to being a first wife?

Can I wear whatever color I want as long as I'm wearing a dress?

Would someone want to marry me if I can't have children and could I continue to see my doctor?

If I'm not the first wife, what kind of relationship can I expect to have with the older women, especially if I'm young and most people consider me attractive?

This would be a big step for me, but I want to know how much of my current lifestyle I would have to give up to live The Principle?

Faithful Woman said...

Depends on which group you connect with.
In warren's group, no, you can't swim. In others, you can if you are fully clothed.
There are pros and cons to being first wife or plural. I considered that question quite a bit before I got married.
Best advice: go slow! Don't be in too big of a hurry to get into a potentually uncomfortable situation. Scope out the territory and make a well informed decision.

onthestreet said...

Try daily baptism. It's alot more useful than dunkin in the skinny (dip). See, when you swim, you have to have your ankle-length dress on, as well as your fins, goggles, shower-cap, and your hijab. And make absolutely certain that you have a full-length robe over that dress. Then you will have a swimming good time.

That was on the light side. Now for the more serious side. Your only hope of finding the true way is with Warren Jeffs, and most are not likely to believe that, much less enter in at the gate. Only there will you find true men of God who love and honor all their women in a wholesome and appropriate way, and lead them to glory.

If you pray in true faith or purity before God, and not just once but continually, then you might come to believe and to enter.

onthestreet said...

Just a note. There is but one baptism, his. And if you are not immersed daily and continually in that armour and fine linen, you are never baptised. The water baptism is only water. There is alot more element with which to endow ourselves with than water.

Anonymous said...

Everyone,

I know I'm probably treading on water here, but I have to ask because I've read mixed information... what is a marriage ceremony like? Who officiates, what is worn, do you stand or kneel, are rings exchanged, what is said, etc. Also, do you get your garments when you get married and is there a ceremony that deals with that? What type of fabric are they made out of, are they lighter weight in the summer? Just curious as I really want to know what it's like to be FLDS. Thank you. TR

onthestreet said...

First things first.

Faithful Woman said...

Yeah, yeah, I know, streety is going to blast me on this one too, if New Kid doesn't.

Longies were only enforced about 9 years ago. They are light weight cotton blend knit, depending on who makes it. As soon as a child is potty trained it is expected to be worn all the time, no ceremony.

At the wedding it had been customary to wear a white dress for the bride and a dark suit for the groom. That was the best way to tell who had just been married so I think warren had them quit wearing white dresses.

The women usually get a wedding ring but not the men.
We used to get a wedding reception to celebrate the happy occasion with family and friends, but no parties now, all under cover and secret now.

The "one and only mouthpiece of God" officiates, unless it is his own marrage, and then he has some other high official perform the ceremony. The couple stand and hold hands.
The words are found in the Doctrine And Covenants, a main Mormon scripture.

onthestreet said...

Longies were enforced 6,000 years ago. Your timing is a bit off, as it seems your vows are also.

Anonymous said...

Faithful,

Is there a veil? Maybe I'm confused, I thought you didn't wear the garment until marriage, or is that in 2nd ward?

Also, is it true that you can't wear red? That Jesus will return in red and Satan wears it to impersonate?

What about the Word of Wisdom?

Again, thank you.

Faithful Woman said...

Are not vows between the man and woman and God?

That is how Uncle Rulon said it to me. He even asked my new husband for permission to give me a hug. Doesn't sound like an all mighty prophet to me. The wife belongs to the husband, not the prophet.

And lets try the Man being the head of his house, even when the prophet comes to call.

Anonymous said...

One more question- sorry, I've obviously a detail-oriented person, where in the D&C would I find the ceremony wording?

On The Street, are you a member? Seems so, but not sure because I thought you couldn't use the internet?
TR

Anonymous said...

faithful,

If a new prophet were put in place today, would you go back to the first ward? Why, why not? What do you think the future holds for the church, will it continue?

Faithful Woman said...

No veil, bare headed. As most of the people are most of the time, unless working out in the sun.

Red dresses got to be pritty popular and Uncle Rulon, through Truman, asked us to no wear them. Later he gave an explanation that it was sacreligious since the Christ would return in the second comming in red to signify his treading the wine press alone.

My personal oppinion was that he just didn't want the people to get proud and flashy.


Maybe where you got confused was that the temple garment is not given till the person goes throught the temple ordinances, and is sealed in the temple. Here the long underwear is suposed to be in preparation for the temple garments. There was another story with that too.

The word of wisdom seems to be pritty much disregarded here, just a sugestion, nothing more.
Now, the LDS meetings that I went to used the word of wisdom as a central tenant for their teachings in their sacriment meetings.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, you know nothing about the sealing of families to families, nations to nations, and planets to planets. The prophets are the gates and the head of those extended families, just as God is the Father of the human family, even though there are many under him who are fathers.

The prophet was honoring the position of a husband, while showing his love for such a sealing. So if God came down and sealed a couple, or fathered a child, and embraced her, then he is no longer your God. How cold and loveless is your God!

onthestreet said...

The above was in response to Faithless Woman: 7/05/2005 9:37 PM

onthestreet said...

Faithful Woman said...
No veil, bare headed. As most of the people are most of the time, unless working out in the sun.

Try bare naked, and butt-naked.

Faithful Woman said...

I am not so versed as to be able to find the ceremony. It is a question better asked to Winston. You can contact him through his site at sharethelight.ca

Faithful Woman said...

ouch, what marrage ceremony did you go to?

In none of the dozzen or so that I was priveleged to attend was that the case.

Anonymous said...

faithful,

Any way you would talk wedding night? I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours... understand if it's uncomfortable with OTS hovering.

onthestreet said...

Yours.

Anonymous said...

Sorry... I think that post went over the line, I take that back :}

onthestreet said...

Yours is naked, for the spirit once hovered and has flown.

Faithful Woman said...

try personal contact on ainoo forum, polygabuse

Anonymous said...

OTS, I seriously doubt a woman's ever gotten 10 ft close to you!

Anonymous said...

FW,

How do I get to that, would love to lose OTS.

onthestreet said...

Hey, that's purity.

onthestreet said...

This in response to both of your posts: Me being done with you, and others like you never being with ten feet of me. Ten light years will be more like it.

onthestreet said...

being within. . . that is.

Faithful Woman said...

aimoo.com

Faithful Woman said...

too late, street is already there

email the administrator with your email address and have them give it to me. I'll write you back, probably not till Thersday though.

HardHeaded said...

I'm starting to wonder if OTS is Edward Stewart. Just the fact that they're both menatally challenged but highly religious makes it a pretty good chance.

Anonymous said...

Who is Edward Stewart?

fttc said...

Did Edward get the boot? I knew him and most of his mother's children. I had not heard of any of them getting 'adjusted'.

onthestreet said...

Adjusted with a wrench, and a little oil.

Faithful Woman said...

I sure do hope not, I liked Edward.