Wednesday, April 06, 2005

April 6th "Doomsday Disappointment"

April 6th has come and gone, law enforcement has been on the property to calm rumor and speculation, what's next?

182 comments:

Anonymous said...

TOMORROW

redraider said...

What's next? Everyone goes home, goes to bed and then one of God's most amazing miracles occurs...

The sun rises again.

Sergeant Friday said...

Praise God!!!!

Anonymous said...

I seen the "press conference" on television held at the gates of the Texas ranch, who was the idiot holding the sign stating "Gods in control and not Warren" and wasnt she the one in all of the papers from the first press conference holding the sign "The Devil is Here". Does she protest the ranch on a daily basis or is she one of those media junkies?!?
Curious in Canada

Anonymous said...

Everyone has a town moron - T..ma is ours. Media always finds one in every town. Especially trailer parks that are blown away by tornadoes.

Anonymous said...

LMAO
LOOK OUT ELDORADO YOUR VILLAGE IDIOT HAS ESCAPED ONCE AGAIN!!!!

Anonymous said...

Please, Short Crickers, don't look down on us because of Thelma. She can't help it. She was born with her thumb stuck up her A..
In return, we won't count Ruth against you. Sound fair?

Anonymous said...

Eldorado Success has a sign in window, newspaper will be late because of end of the world!
Hehe

Anonymous said...

You know if people would listen to someone people who actually participate in the religon you may actually get some acurate information.

Simpathetic in Short Creek

oxymormon said...

Even that chubby newsguy from channel four who wears eye shadow is screenfeeding the people of southern texas with the word "doomsday" to get the nelson ratings up a pinch-

He mentioned juicedrinking, mass suiciding, waco style koreshing and said the habitants of Eldorado don't trust David Doran any further than they could kick him. I also caught a golden glimpse of the lone polyg protester


More spoonfulls at 10....

Dont believe the hype from San Antonio

Anonymous said...

Anyone know some of the names of people that have been invited to the compound?

Anonymous said...

You guys should watch a documentary on Waco called Rules of Engagement!!

oxymormon said...

Isn't there already a docudrama about the Utah Arizona border?

The Days of our Wives?

The Young and the Polygamous?

As Jeff's world turns?

Anonymous said...

6:15,
some of us might listen, if somebody would talk.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Oxymormon! How ya' been?
I like the TV titles. Did you hear that the first polygamous miniseries was cancelled? It was called Roots and it seems the blonde haired blue-eyed heroine had black ones!
Stay out of trouble and don't let any hick town cops grab ya', eh?

Anonymous said...

Hey Warren may have been off a year. We get to do this again!! What fun!

If we are real lucky, we will have a mid-summer apocalypse followed by a vanilla rapture with pingy pangy music!

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Anonymous said...

To Anon 7:02

You forgot the black homosexual drug addict that started it all J. Hendrix Jeffs.

Anonymous said...

That's kind of strange.

The local Sheriff is now the spokesman for the Warrenites.

He says the folks "just want to be left alone".

What's he getting out of the deal?

Squaky Cheese?
Kool-aid?
Wimmin?

Mighty suspicious.

Anonymous said...

I meant sqeaky.

Anonymous said...

Sumthin liek that.

oxymormon said...

Heyyyyy Texans:
I honestly and wholeheartedly love texan humor...damn you guys are some funnyass mofos!

All you bloggers in Polygilandia:
Can't you feel the spirit in this blog, right about now?

Anonymous said...

A person has to have a since of humor about the compound. You could say I flipped Warren the "Bird" from my Bird!!

I couldn't figure out how to fly a plane and moon at the same time but I am working on it.

Anonymous said...

FLDS member shares thoughts on Warren Jeffs’ prediction of the second coming of Christ.

Will self-proclaimed prophet, Warren Jeffs, be vindicated or exposed to the world as a fraud on April 6, 2005? If he is vindicated, those not chosen by him will be wiped off the face of the North American continent on this date. If he’s exposed, all that are alive on April 7, 2005, will have certain knowledge that he is a false prophet and receives his revelations from the dark recesses of his own mind rather than from God.

Warren is hand picking his 2,500 core believers from among the faithful FLDS followers and is having those chosen transported to Eldorado, Texas, there to await the second coming of Christ to accept the dedication of Warren’s new temple and witness the total destruction of this and other nations. We are also to witness the renewal of Uncle Fred, our bishop that Warren blessed to live 350 years into the millennium. This same failed prophecy was given about Uncle Rulon. He was our last prophet, and Warren’s biological father. He passed away about 2 ½ years ago.

Following Warren’s prediction of his renewal, Uncle Fred passed away a couple of weeks early, which makes me believe that Warren knew Uncle Fred was failing in health. His premature death may complicate Warren’s plans considerably. Uncle Fred was probably supposed to be renewed (Warren’s word for die) after the dedication of the temple, not before.

Warren’s “elect”, the 2,500 chosen people, will have to put Warren’s prophecies on the shelf of belief again, hoping understanding will come at a later date, when they don’t come to pass on Wednesday. The other 7,500 of us followers, Warren has abandoned to our own fate and has cast us off after first fleecing us of all our money and assets. If we won’t change our belief system, we will also be obligated to put Warren’s latest prophecies on the shelf of belief, in spite of the knowledge we’ve gained lately thru real life experience. I’m sure most of us will yet manage to persist in our faith in him, as it seems we can not admit we’ve been wrong all along.

My suggestion to the 7,500 abandoned FLDS saints is that we go back to studying our old scriptures instead of Warren’s new ones and find out what went wrong and where. We should reread the “Now Crisis” as Uncle Roy called “The Coming Crisis and How to Meet It” by Parley P. Pratt. Toward the bottom of the section on strong delusions, it reads:

“He (God) has said that ‘HE WILL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSIONS THAT THEY MIGHT BELIEVE A LIE.’ He gives His reason and apology for acting after this strange manner—because, knowing the truth, they do not love it unadulterated. And knowing God, they do not choose to glorify Him as God. Therefore their foolish hearts become darkened, and God suffers Satan to compound and mix up truth and error in such proportions as to be captivating and strongly delusive. As a snare, this composition will be ingeniously mixed and administered to all nations, by skillful and practiced hands.”

I believe this finger is being pointed directly at the FLDS, myself included.

Here is a quote found in the Journal of Discourses, 1:133-134, from Brigham Young that also points a finger in our direction. It was given April 6, 1853 in Salt Lake City, Utah exactly 152 years ago today.

“Now hear me, and I will try to talk so that you can understand. I will presume to go a little further than I did, with regard to the President of the Church, and say to this people, a man might have visions, the angels of God might administer to him, he might have revelations, and see as many visions as you could count; he might have the heavens opened to him, and see the finger of the Lord, and all this would not make him the President of the Church, or an Elder, a High Priest, an Apostle; neither would it prove that he was even a Saint: something else is wanted to prove it. Why I mention this, is because of the frailty, weakness, and short-sightedness of the people. If a man should come and tell you he had had a vision, and could appear to substantiate his testimony that he had had the heavens opened to him, you would be ready to bow down and worship him; and he might be, at the same time, perfectly calculated to destroy the people-one of the biggest devils on earth. He would appear to be one of the finest of men, to be honest and unassuming, and come with all the grace and generalship of the devil, which is so well calculated to deceive the people. Admit this to be the case.”

Perhaps the 2,500 chosen people should be careful if they are asked to bow the knee to Warren on Wednesday or this coming Sunday. And perhaps we who are part of the 7,500 “lost sheep” should find out the answers to the many questions we have concerning Warren’s and his minions ethnic cleansing of the FLDS Church and the destruction of our loved ones.

In Matthew 23:25, Jesus Christ says, “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.”

Is this history repeating itself? We had all better take note and learn of the teachings of Christ and other true prophets before we, as Uncle Roy used to say, have to take this grade over again.

Ezekiel 14:9-11 says, (9) “And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. (10) And they shall bear the punishment of their in-iquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him: (11) That the house of Israel may go no more astray from me, neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions; but that they may be my people, and I may be their God, saith the Lord God.”

The Lord has told us in the scriptures, countless times, not to put our trust in the arm of flesh or we would face the consequences. Consider this from Brigham Young: “What a pity it would be if we were led by one man to utter destruction! Are you afraid of this? I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation. (Journal of Discourses 9:150)

Our leader and his teachers have continually put before us untruths that we are forced to swallow or risk losing our families over, which brings to mind another saying of Christ, “Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.” Mat. 23:24

One last thought concerning the callousness with which we have discarded our children when commanded to by Warren reminds me of something Jesus said in Mat. 24:11-12, “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.” The path we are following Warren on, has led us to “love waxing cold” toward our dear ones, toward our friends, neighbors and our fellow man.

Warren does not teach the Everlasting Love of Jesus Christ which leads to peace and harmony. Warren teaches a “love” and a “renewal” that leads to Never Ending Darkness and Chaos.



Nameless and Still Alive

oxymormon said...

by the way, the Salt Lake Trib hooked me up with a foto of the prophet... i'm just taking the FLDS to the latinos to scare em a little, take their minds off the damn pope

Anonymous said...

Now that's funny, oxymoron! I like your style.

tex mex

Anonymous said...

To 6:15 pm.,To "Sympathetic in Short Creek" Is the 7:59 pm post what you was looking for? :)

Anonymous said...

7:14 PM Anon
I believe if you would have listened to that press conference closely you would have heard that the sheriff was quoting members of the Texas ranch as saying (and I quote) "they wanted to be left alone and in return they did not want to bother anyone in the community" I do not believe that reflects the Sheriffs opinion.

Anonymous said...

I liked this blog when it was lighthearted and funny!

FLDS rhetoric for the most part is the same old crap version 2.

Now who would hang prophesies on the shelf. That would be the first clue to “this dude is a fake”.

I bet Warren or anyone else in your FLDS can't predict the lottery or a good horse race! Now that is a Prophet!



Do you listen to "pingy pangy" music?

Anonymous said...

6:06 pm,You have a deal though your getting the short end of the stick. Just me. :)

Anonymous said...

To 8:29 pm

Would you like to trade. We will give you a Thelma and a wild Bill for a Ruth. Sounds fair.

Anonymous said...

Hmmmmmmmm
A village drunk plus a village idiot for a villiage nut....
Sounds like a fair trade

Anonymous said...

8:37,Sure,I,d trade.We would still come out on top though. Just Me.

Anonymous said...

At least everyone didn't kill themselves. Everyone sound so disappointed that there was not a mass suicide.

YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK

Anonymous said...

E = every
L = lady and man
D = decided to listen to
O = outrageous
R = ridicules
A = accusations about
D = Doomsday, you are all
O = Oafs


Bye the way... Why did Manudo ever break up.. I miss there music. lol

Anonymous said...

To 9:02

We can throw in some stock in the EOBOC (Eldorado Olympic Bid Organizing Committee).
Warren will not need compound and we plan on holding the Olympics there. (Can’t make up our mind whether we want winter or summer) we live in the desert but hockey is popular.

Sewer pond can be swimming pool or Ices skating rink depending on decision

Now that’s an offer a person just can not pass up!!

Anonymous said...

ELDORADO
It reminds me of a song

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses?
You been out ridin' fences for so long now
Oh, you're a hard one
I know that you got your reasons
These things that are pleasin' you
Can hurt you somehow

Anonymous said...

What the heck does Manudo (I don't think that's even how it's spelled) have to do with Eldorado? Oh, I forgot, it's multiplication that you specialize in, not spelling, or complex thought.

Anonymous said...

Lets have a party in the compound. It has everythign we need except music. I heard that Warren Jeffs loves rap music.

Anonymous said...

yes thelma is a leach and loves the attention as that is the only kind she can get hahahaha, hehehe. all "CHRISTIANS KNOW WHO IS IN CONTROL!"

Anonymous said...

Menudo has nothing to do with the town. I just thought of Ricky Martin and it popped in my head. He was sooo good looking.

What is a Desperado and who sings that?

Anonymous said...

To Ringo,John,Paul and George.I know Warren allowed you to post your poem.Theres no way you would have done that without permission from him. The Government does not want this to turn into another Waco, despite what you may have been told. Don't cry in your pillow,and forget the tear gas nonsense.Let's talk. Get permission if you need to.Let's talk on a different thread though.8:26 pm wants to keep this thread funny and that's ok. Listening.

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Anonymous said...

You would think that after 20 or 30 end of the world predictions Warren would just give up. He is just like the energizer bunny he keeps going and going.

Anonymous said...

To 9:21 pm.I'm not trying to pass the deal up.You don't need to sweeten the pot but after you threw in all that EOBOC stock I began to feel guilty,I guess it's my flds upbringing.I need to tell you before we make the trade though, that you don't know our Ruth.The stuff you've seen on these posts is nuth'in,our ruth,s not even got her engine started yet.Course this little dialog may get her cranking. Lord help us if it does and I don't mean that disrespectfully. Just me.

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know any names of the people in the compound. I have relatives that vanished some time back and i wonder if they ended up in Texas, Colorado or somewhere else.

anonymous said...

To anon: 9:59

Love the songs!!!!

Anonymous said...

Why you people barter over other's, don't forget, "The ransom of Red Chief"

Remember, also you may feel like bulls, but people are not cattle!

Anonymous said...

Mountain Man said...

There was once a leader that was revered and loved by his most ardent followers. He was a man that would lead them to glory. There were songs written about Him, His picture adorned the walls of nearly every home. Tales abounded of His benevolence toward His people. His speaches were published and recorded and then distributed to his eager followers. His Autocratic style of leadership assured that His were the teachings they would follow. He lived in spacious homes with many women. He was constantly being deified and flattered by His flock. He was portayed as the loving Father of all. Many would gladly die for Him. He was greatly admired by His people because He had the courage to defy all oppostion. He seemed fearless as only one backed by God Himself would be. To He and His people it was "righteos vesus evil" for surely they were the chosen of God. No matter how strange or odd the teachings He gave them the people would nod in agreement with his words. But alas a different pictured emerged as time marched on. To outsiders there was a different perspective. One of a man that became the real power behind His ailing and aged President. A man that obtained power by removing His rivals. He was a man that had no regard for his neighbors or fellow man as long as they did not see things the way He did. He had access to great wealth but kept His people very poor. Soon after taking power He began to persecute His own people, forcing many to leave their homes. He began to remove men from their families. Being related or a friend was no guarantee of escaping His wrath. He was all powerful. He lived with his privilaged few in beautiful dwellings built by the people He kept in poverty. He became reclusive, rarely seen in the flesh. He began to wreek havoc on His own people. Any that opposed Him were sure to recieve immediate retribution. Finally the eyes of the world began to see what this man was doing to His own people and His diregard for His fellow man. Justice demanded that something had to be done. The destruction of families and the heartache He caused had to be stopped for the sake of His own people. Fortunately He was removed from power. His grandios ideas replaced by an epitaph of a people divided. Loyalty given because of the fear of what would happen to them if they spoke thier minds. Still many truly loved him and would die for Him even today. He was eventually found cowaring in in a pit dirty and defiant to the end at a small farm near Tikrit, Iraq.

Anonymous said...

To 11:13

That story sounds very similar to a certain Jeffs guy I know.

Paladin for Truth said...

True, but that Iraq guy would just have you shot. This Jeffs coward likes to skin his enemies and leave them alive.

Love the songs, somebody needs to do Yellow Submarine. Maybe something like "We all live with another mans wife, another mans wife"

Anonymous said...

Warrens self declared journey to Godhood reminds me a bit of the story of the "Kings New Clothes"

Would someone that is able to talk to Warren show some integrity and please tell Warren that he is running around naked?

He seems unaware that his crap stinks too.

Thank you.

fence sitter said...

ok, to me it seems like this "retreat" is more like a consentration camp, I mean they have those poor people working out there 24 hours a day! besides the 12 foot fence, the locked gates and the guard station.
what do you all think

Anonymous said...

fence sitter:

It couldn't be a concentration camp, because they lack the concentration to learn how to spell . . .

Anonymous said...

To Nameless and Still Alive 7:59 PM:

With your extensive scriptural background and perception of the situation you are in, I must ask how you got sucked into the "One-Man" vortex?

Jesus himself established the correct pattern of his church by calling apostles first, to act in concert as "presidents" over the members (body of Christ).

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" (Eph. Ch. 4. v. 11&12.)

Jesus set the example as the presiding (president) apostle:

"Wherefore, holy brethern, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus . . ." (Heb. Ch. 3. v. 1.)

You were honest to admit that you have been deluded by this one-man rule. Your quote from Brigham Young was most appropriate, "What a pity it would be if we were led by one man to utter destruction." (Journal of Discourses 9: 150)

Warren was never ordained an apostle nor does he demonstrate the teachings and doctrines of Christ.

Yes, you have friends and neighbors whom you have ignored and shunned, but christianity is still available to you and all who are willing to embrace Christ's Gospel. You have unburdened yourself of your debt to him in part by recognizing your mistake, but must now rid yourself of the tyrany and diabolical doctrines of Warren Jeffs. Forgiveness is unto all who truly repent and seek the Lord's will. Cast off the imposter Warren Jeffs and be free.

MrT said...

ya know, most ya'll comment all about this Warren fiasco like you know all about God. Of course doesnt every one claim They follow God and everyone else is wrong? Oh of course YOUR religion is the true religion. How about you all leave these God Abused people alone for a while and let them have some peace in their own hearts while they figure this out. Changing from one Yoke of oppression right now to another is NOT the answer.

Anonymous said...

consider that Christ didn't organize a church, but rather a group of teachers. It was the Apostles that organized the church after Jesus died. So who is to say that an organized church is even what God wants.

Anonymous said...

fence sitter
Every Ranch in Schleicher County sits behind a fenced locked gate and there is no exception with this one. People are in and out of there on a daily basis and every one chooses to be there, but it is definitly a controled enviorment, no doubt.

Anonymous said...

Not every ranch has gates. We have cattle guards, as do most of my neighbors.

Anonymous said...

Mr T,

I think we all agree here that we worship the same God. Well, most of us. The bottom line is there really is no wrong or right way to worship HIM. I think people want the flds(warrenites) to know that personal oppression does not have to be part of it. I am all for religious freedom, not all the things Warren Jeffs has been accused of. Like people have said, Jeffs came in here and lied to us. Not a very good way to start a relationship. People would have talked if he had been up front.....I doubt it would have been as big as it is now. Granted, rumors would have gone around town, probably not have burned out of control.

MrT said...

Now you understand the secrecy and lies and deciet that we have dealt with here in Hildale and Colorado City since 1998 and before. Its just when people start quoting from the bible like they know it all it kinda annoys me a bit.. Life will go on. Each person has to choose for them selves. It cannot be chosen for them.

MrT said...

oh, The sad thing about most of the rumors is that they are true.
Of course nothing happened yesterday on the 6th. Some of us saw this for what it was years ago. You have to understand a man claiming to be Gods mouthpiece on earth in your face challenging you that if you do not believe the Great Destructions will be on such a date that you will lose your salvation for lack of faith. I have the tapes to prove this. I personally do not like rumors but I do expect the serious charges to be answered. If people follow a man that will not take responsibility for his own actions then that’s plain foolishness. That is like leading sheep to the slaughter. People have a right to believe what ever religion they choose but for heavens sake understand what it is you believe in. History does and is repeating itself. Yes everything is quiet for the 6th for now. But then do you ever hear about the breaking news story of the train that didn’t wreck? What is going on here is real and its not a matter of if but when. It is that serious. I am just thankful that no lives have been lost yet and I hope it is resolved with out any being lost.

Anonymous said...

Mr T,

The fact that people should be able to choose for themselves is exactly what I was talking about. I understand that most of the people in the compound don't know anything else....they have never been given the opportunity. As a woman who has all the freedom in the world, that bothers me. I just don't understand how they can be happy in that situation. I know that is a simple statement, I just don'tknow how else to put it. There are situations we face in life that make us think, hmmmmm, maybe that side is right or that puts a new spin on things. This just isn't one of them for me. I just don't get it. Of course, I don't always like to follow rules, I hate to be preaced to(by anyone not just clergy) and I really hate to share!!!! All in all, I would not fit in.

As for the rumors, there usually is something of substance that starts them.

MrT said...

My goal in posting here is simply to get people to think. Believe what they will but please do the home work to really understand it. For the people there in the compound, they are so busy doing their tasks and their minds have a specific goal they don't think so much about the things we think about. If you study Cult mind control this is called a thought stopping technic. It is kind of along the lines of ignorance is bliss. Out of sight out of mind. These people are working so hard to be worthy of being able to go to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom of Heaven and be with God and even have the opportunity to become Gods themselves that they do all that they can to restrict their own freedoms so that they will not allow the doubting thoughts or spirits to distract them or make them lose faith or their salvation. It really is sad. I have family members down there and there is nothing I can say that will affect them. Warren will have to go to the next extreme until that extreme either destroys him or it breaks the psyche of the individuals one by one. I am intentionally using strong concepts and being a bit blunt. I will not lie, I simply want people to understand and most importantly to THINK.

Anonymous said...

Mr T,

YOu got me thinking....I still don't understand.

MrT said...

ok I will spell it out a bit.

I am having to use analogies to simplify a few things here.

If you have had any children think what it was like holding each and every child for the first time. I would expect that everyone would experience the most profound feelings of emotions and love of their whole life. Now if you were promised countless children in the next life each one expanding your love that much more then you start seeing the desire to believe. In FLDS it also involves wives who are to become Goddesses. All this glory in such an emotional paradise of Love and being surrounded by your family and sharing that love along with your husband your loving God. The emotional side of all the paradise and glory is a carrot that is programmed in the peoples mind from birth. Most of the people here don’t know any different. Its our way of life. Its all we have ever known. You look at it as we see it now you have large families bound in love, they are locked in place like a puzzle so to speak. We think we are free to choose but in our minds if we doubt or question we run a good chance of our families and friends and loved ones shunning us. Its like everyone keeps everyone in place because that is how the society is structured. People are locked into the belief because they run the chance of losing everything. Look at the men that have been kicked out. They are alone. Many of these men had very large families. One day the children are told their fathers are so very faithful and wonderful men and for no reason the next day they are bad bad men. Children cannot understand this. It seriously has gotten to the point in a few situations that the analogy of a young child waking up and walking into his mother saying Good morning Mother....Um Mother, who is my father today?
I don’t mean to make light of this because it is that real. We talk of all the abuses and I do not accept any of them but to me the body heals but it is what damages the mind or the psyche that is the most outrageous and unacceptable.
The end reality is that this society has been groomed and developed and manipulated over so many generations that there are no conversions here. The people have all grown up in this society.
there is so much to the reality that its not something that can be explained or absorbed in any short amount of time. Your are free to ask any thing you want to know and I will explain it as best I can and understand that it is my point of view and experience growing up here so take it as you will and even disagree if you choose to. Our country truly is a great country to live in.

Anonymous said...

As another disenfranchised member of the aforementioned organization. Though not recently associated with them. I can attest to the truthfulness of MrT's statements of the "checks and balances" that keep a person in fear of losing family ties and associations. Even when your family is slightly dysfunctional, the desire to belong and be loved is such a great force that to break it gives a person a feeling of lost that is hard to explain.

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Anonymous said...

good good.. You should get the rights to parody and make a CD

Anonymous said...

MrT and anon 10:21,

Thank you for being so patient with me. I understand that they know no different, I understand the ideal.....I just don't understand why. Why they can't understand that we are not bad people who love and can be loved? Why they can't understand that even though we might not dress as they do or listen to different music or watch TV or are addicted to the internet:) we are not bad people? Why they will blindly follow one MAN who will never be a God? That should be becoming more and more obvious. Why they let themselves be treated the way they are? I understand the concept....I just don't get it. Oh, I will have many more questions. I will ask when I can figure out how to ask them the right way.

MrT said...

Everything is black and white in their minds. They are taught that you are either for the "Holy" Prophet or against him. There is no in between. Anything or anyone of the world is unclean and unworthy and if you associate with people outside the religion then you will be evilly influenced by them. The only thing worse than associating with non-members is ex-members or apostates per say. They teach that there are two unforgivable sins. To commit murder by shedding innocent blood and to turn against Christ (God). They load that concept by saying The "Holy" Prophet represents God here on earth so if you question or disobey the “Holy” Prophet then it is the same as turning against Christ, therefore you are guilty of an unforgivable sin and your spirit will eventually be destroyed. No eternal life. No Godhood or countless loving children and Goddess Wives etc. I cannot remember where I posted Robert J. Lifton's 8 Criteria for a destructive cult but please find it and read it. I posted it on another thread a couple weeks ago. It explains allot of how this can possibly happen in today's technological and information age. If you cannot find it then I will post it again here.

Anonymous said...

Mr T,

Thanks I will look for that post again. Are you still a member?

MrT said...

no, I chose to leave about 5 or 6 years ago but I still live in the Hildale/Colorado City area and still have realitivly close contact with some of my family.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous 12:40pm,
I am an outsider from the west, spiritual, not religious :), both the LDS and FLDS do the best they can to NOT ENCOURAGE INDEPENDENT THINKING! From childhood, they are separated from us "gentiles" and kept with only mormans 24/7, in classes, lunch groups, you name it. It truly is brainwashing that we could never understand.

just another curious,cocky, smart woman.

Native Texan said...

Mr. T,

Thanks for your insight.

It sure sounds like the whole "Holy Prophet" set-up is a formula for disaster when you have a power-hungry person in a group like this. Do you perceive Warren Jeffs to be a "driven" person, as well? In other words, do you think he sought out this position long before he took it? If someone was power-hungry, manipulative, and driven in this particular group, wouldn't it be rather easy to take control as he has?

Anonymous said...

Mr T,

Well, I have a few personal questions for you, if you don't mind. How many wives do you have. Children? What caused you to leave? How are you accepted in the community. I would think not well. Aren't all of the jobs controlled by the flds? Do people ever get to visit other places? Education...obviously lacking...where do you get the teachers? I would think that there would be alot of animosity between wives, no matter what they say. Uh, so many more questions but I will start there. If I have asked too many, I understand if you don't want to or can't answer them. Beware, if you do I WILL ask alot more:) Hard to find someone who will actually answer them.

To another cocky, smart woman, how am I doing???

Native Texan, I thought the same thing. Didn't they see him coming. I mean, how did this all play out?

I guess I can now be called curious!!

Anonymous said...

To:12:25

Here you go

1. ENVIRONMENT CONTROL. Limitation of many/all forms of communication with those outside the group. Books, magazines, letters and visits with friends and family are taboo. "Come out and be separate!"

2. MYSTICAL MANIPULATION. The potential convert to the group becomes convinced of the higher purpose and special calling of the group through a profound encounter/experience, for example, through an alleged miracle or prophetic word of those in the group.

3. DEMAND FOR PURITY. An explicit goal of the group is to bring about some kind of change, whether it be on a global, social, or personal level. "Perfection is possible if one stays with the group and is committed."

4. CULT OF CONFESSION. The unhealthy practice of self disclosure to members in the group. Often in the context of a public gathering in the group, admitting past sins and imperfections, even doubts about the group and critical thoughts about the integrity of the leaders.

5. SACRED SCIENCE. The group's perspective is absolutely true and completely adequate to explain EVERYTHING. The doctrine is not subject to amendments or question. ABSOLUTE conformity to the doctrine is required.

6. LOADED LANGUAGE. A new vocabulary emerges within the context of the group. Group members "think" within the very abstract and narrow parameters of the group's doctrine. The terminology sufficiently stops members from thinking critically by reinforcing a "black and white" mentality. Loaded terms and clich_s prejudice thinking.

7. DOCTRINE OVER PERSON. Pre-group experience and group experience are narrowly and decisively interpreted through the absolute doctrine, even when experience contradicts the doctrine.

8. DISPENSING OF EXISTENCE. Salvation is possible only in the group. Those who leave the group are doomed.





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MrT said...

Well to be honest The sons of John Y. Barlow set up the condition that we have today. In the early 1980's they started pressuring the one man rule. They thought that one of them (the Barlow's) would be the prophet, Warren Jeffs simply beat them at their own game. Warren knew what they were doing and many of them were the first to be cut off and their families and children married off and appointed to other men when Warren took full power. All but 2 of them are now lonely old men wondering what went wrong. The problem is, they sold their souls to this endeavor that they now have no moral authority or back bone to correct it. They were told when they were young that it was their birthright, their inheritance.

I do not know because I was not there but from what I understand that Warren was kicked out of his fathers home when he was a young man for a period of time for some sexual problem. I do not know the extent or the truth of this. I do know a man personally that was the same age as Warren and knew him during this time period etc., The man has said that Warren was a bit strange even as a young man and that Warren was actually quite fond of the book the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Also that Warrens favorite saying was a quote out of that book "The bigger the lie the more they will believe."
Understand, this is hearsay and in a way I am stupid for quoting rumors etc. But in understanding what is happening and growing up in this and seeing it change from a restricted religion that was actually fun growing up in has now changed into a heartless organization. Marriage Covenants don’t seem to mean anything. The hearts and livelihood of the children don’t mean anything. We started getting heavy sermons in 1989 that the economy was going to fail within 2 years and that we were to have at least 3 months of food storage. In 1994 we were told the Calendar was off 4 years and the great millenium was actually going to be in 1996. Then in 1998 the Great destructions were going to be any day now. There has been so many Destruction Prophecies with the dates come and gone I cannot relate them all. Warren is a master in mind control and stopping peoples thought process. Holding the carrot out in from of people and keeping them going after the next goal. The next extreme. The next end of the world. Some times I feel like he is doing this on purpose to see how much people will put up with. This situation exists because in the end that’s what the people want. With out the peoples support Warren would be nothing. Warren is a very intelligent man. He taught the computer classes in the Alta Academy. He was known as a tech geek a bit, always having the very latest in computers and technology. Anytime there was a supposed problem he would call the parents of the student in and literally interrogated them in very personal details of theirs and the students life. Its almost like he gets some sort of energy release by dealing with peoples intimate problems. Maybe that’s a feeling of having power over other people. I dont know and I hope I never feel what ever that is. Through the 1990's Warren became a master of researching topics for sermons on the computer from previous scriptures etc. In a way he can be right in some ways in what he is doing because allot of what he has said is directly out of previous teachings. Even the current publicized racist remarks and teachings are from Brigham Young and John Taylor. When it comes down to bastardizing families and tearing families apart and marrying the wives off to other men for a time and then doing it again it makes me sick. I could never believe in a God that would enforce such organized adultery and destruction of families. I do believe that the young children now will be known as a fatherless generation. I believe that their psyche is being damaged and that when they grow up they will believe in nothing. A child has a lifetime history with their parents and to try to break that off for no just reason is extremely dangerous to the minds of children. The true victims here are as elsewhere, the children. My only consolation is that in the end as there will be an end, you can only go to so many extremes before you fall. Is that the people will get the information that has been withheld from them and they will be an informed people and will truly understand what it is that they believe in. What ever that is, at least they will actually understand it.

MrT said...

to 1:45. Thanks for posting that but it is not entirely as Robert J Lifton wrote it. I dont know if someone tried to simplify it from technical terms but it is missing a few things.

Thank you for posting it tho because it is an importing thing to understand how this is done and how it is possible.

Anonymous said...

I THINK ALL THE "WARREN JEFFS PEOPLE" ARE A LITTLE CRAZY.

I WANT TO GO IN THE COMPOUND AND CHECK IT OUT.

MrT said...

Well, I am passionate about what I say here but I cannot claim to be totaly sane. lol I think everyone has issues of one sort or another its just for a while we get to worry about the FLDS peoples for a while. It's easier than our own.

to 1:33 I will answer some of your questions later, I think my quota for brain power has been exceeded for today.

fence sitter said...

to MRT
you must have been from the old school, where they really taught the kids to use the english language. Your grasp of grammer and superlative diction is very refreshing!!
keep it up!

Anonymous said...

Mr T,

Thank you for all of your input. I understand you need to take a break, you have been a plethora of info. today. Huh,Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, not too surprising. Possibl kicked out of the house for a sexual prob., well, I guess those probs. still exist. I still want to ask you questions but we both have things to do.

call me curious

Paladin for Truth said...

MrT, you must be from the same mold as myself, or at least spent some time studying correct history and not King Warren's perverted teachings. You know, the Barlows in their desire to become so called "council members" had to undo as many existing ones as they could. This plan did backfire on them and to seal their fate, their expressed hate for Winston publicly in church only made it harder for them to take back all the ass kissing they did saying "Warren always does right". They have been playing this game for 30 years. First it was Presidents Hammon, Timpson and Musser. Then when they were discredited, they went to work on Uncle Roy this and Uncle Roy that. The Barlows never could get anything out of Uncle Roy. All he did was call Winston and Fred as High Priests, so they could act as bishops. Then Uncle Roy died and the Barlows tried to strong arm President Jeffs into their version of the one-man rule in all things, but the Barlows still wanted their control.
They wanted control of the tithing money and lied about what was being collected. They thought that they should get to tell President Jeffs whom their prized Barlow daughters should marry. This worked for a while until Warren saw what was going on and started with the "God and the Prophet can do no wrong". Warren collected some favorites around him and started pushing and soon President Jeffs was doing the marriages without direction from the Barlows. Uncle Rulon liked the new support and Warren got even more rope for new teachings to come forth. Warren and men around Warren started getting lots of wives, even some got precious Barlow daughters. Uncle Rulon was starting to like the supreme control that Warren convinced him the position as Prophet should have. The Barlows started to shine some ass to try to get their coveted positions of authority. Then President Jeffs had his stroke and all contact with him was controlled by Warren, all messages from Uncle Rulon were then given by Warren. Support money from the church to the Barlows was slowly reduced by Warren. Auditing was started on whom was collecting the existing funds and where they were going. Warren was growing into a monster and the Barlows wanted this, because all would be well if they could become fellow monsters as well. Soon Winston tried to start undoing Warren as he saw Warren was becoming a monster. The young people were getting the short end of the rope. They were being harshly corrected for little things that Warren and other older men have done all their lives. Suddenly all these little things were great sins. Movies, Music, Talking with girls, Dances, Pickup Trucks, Schools, talking with Non-Members, and the list goes on and on. The Barlows knew that Winston was not about authority, one man rule, forced marriages, forcing the youth away and all the stuff that Warren was becoming and the Barlow's wanted. The Barlows knew that Winston trying to reach out to the youth would lessen the authority they were trying to become part of. They new that Winston protested a huge brick house built with church money for one Barlow and another Barlow brother with a humble unfinished house with a leaky roof. Then Uncle Rulon died, Warren lost the "father wants this" control he had over everyone. The Barlows knew that Warren or Winston becoming next would not be good, becuase those two men would outlive most of the Barlows. Warren had no use for the young men and Winston did. Warren and his elite followers could not get their dozens of wives without disposing of the young men. Thus a huge rift over the young men had formed. The Barlows who would have had a lot more respect than they do now, should have stood up and stopped Warren from undoing Winstion and sending him away. But, no, the Barlows were in full support and thus a split started. Warren like a snake turned around and now had no use for the Barlows either, and there they went. Now they lie in the weeds licking their wounds. And one by one Warren continues his destruction. Soon all the identity of John Y. Barlow will be lost at the hands of Warren.

The moral of the story, don't feed a snake when you know it is a snake. Maybe the Barlow fathers should get their sons to put a stop to this right now, for the grandsons of John Y. Barlow are many in number.

Anonymous said...

all religions have there own ways of worshiping. I was a catholic and I didn't agree with a lot of the things they did because a lot of it was, like my dad said, "tradition." He got mad at me when i was questioning him about different rituals and told me it was tradition. I stated that I only believe what is in the bible. so the point i'm getting at is that every religion has there own beliefs that are made up. It wouldn't bother me that the YFZ members believe what they do if they didn't have plural marriage and abuse children. What i found ironic was that jeff was saying the woman should be submisive so that the husband would be loyal to her. What exactly do they mean by loyal if the man has more than one wife? I don't know....Well worship as you wish just don't do anything "crazy". Remember God prefers the idiot who doesn't know much more than the person who acts like they know it all. God bless all and keep in good faith. Bless the FYZ members and their families who do not know any better. bye ya'll! :)

Anonymous said...

are ya'll from eldorado?

Anonymous said...

Paladin,

Thanks for laying that history out there. It fills in the missing links I've been curious about. I keep hearing about rifts between Barlows, Jeffs, and Blackmore, but as an onlooker had no understanding. It all makes much more sense now.

jb

Anonymous said...

To 6:17 PM, looking for names. Yes, check out the 7:02 post. These young men are there in the Eldorado compound and these are not the same ones designated to lead Sheriff Doran on. Their assignment is different.

Anonymous said...

Answer to the 5:08 AM post. I was born and grew up in the "one man vortex". As I got spinning towards the smaller end of the vortex , I began getting dizzy and the speed started waking me up. That was a few years ago, and, although not publically, I have cast Warren Jeffs off my back.

Now I've got to get him off the backs of my family without losing them in the process. A good analogy would be cutting away a huge cancerous tumor without killing the patient. If I'm successful, my whole family will be together and free with me.

If I'm not successful, I'll be caught and turned in by Warren's spies and will lose my loved ones to Warren's cult forever and life will no longer be worth living.

It's not as easy to extricate yourself and your family from a cult like this as you may suppose. There is a level of intense brain washing from birth that is unreal. I have to move forward slowly and to try and introduce small truths at a time in an effort to undo Warren's brainwashing. I'm having small successes, but even a small wrong move now will undo three years of work. I know I'm treading dangerous water but have decided risking my family is worth freedom.

Nameless and still alive.

Paladin for Truth said...

Nameless, your cause is worth everything. You need to find a way to kindly get your family to wake up. You need to get all that you can, to see the destruction. If not, their identity will be lost, their names changed and you will be forgotten.

Native Texan said...

Dear nameless and still alive,

Your plight saddens and sickens me.

I couldn't help but notice that you referred to your group as a cult. Do others inside your group realize that they're also part of a cult? Is that term used within? This may be a really stupid question, but to those of us on the "outside", being part of a cult would be a really bad thing.

Sorry if my question is lame, but I'm just trying to understand.

Anonymous said...

10:03 am,mrt;

That information was very well layed out.I know it took a lot of your time to answer these questions but I hope you keep posting on this blog site, we need you.

You and I will meet in the open one day.

Nameless and still alive.

Anonymous said...

To 4:43 pm,Paladin for truth;

You just call a spade a spade don't you.I'm sure you've got a few people squirming about now.:)


Nameless and still alive.

Anonymous said...

6:58 pm.Your question has merit.

If anyone on the flds inside uses the word "cult"in referring to their religion, you can "mark it down that they are on the high road to apostacy".

Thats flds lingo for;They are on their way out of the religion.

Nameless and still alive.

texas mother said...

What I am concerned about is the fact that somehow this Delusional Man of self induced glory can lead such a misguided massive group of followers to a town, set up residence in a compound encased by gates and guards preaching idealistic hate and racism then scares his lost sheep into back breaking preparation for the end of the world. What do they really think of him now? Do you think any loyalty has been replaced with speculation? How would one know? How could they possible communicate with the outside? Thank God it did not turn into Jones Town or any other tragedy that has been related to religious imperialism.
I for one want the people on the Ranch to know that I do care about thier well-being. I will not judge them. I prayer they will look deep into their hearts and question whom they have put all thier trust & self conviction into.
I am a Mormon whom has no religious connection to the FLDS. We are 2 entirely different entities, however love and compassion must cross all boundaries for Harmony to exist; this includes race, gender, and yes even religion.
Also, I am married to an African American Male and have 4 beautiful children. I live a few miles from the ranch and it breaks my hearts to see these people establishing unrealistic and harming beliefs towards precious individuals.
Please Mr. Jeff's do not limit others potentiality by your course words and beliefs.

redraider said...

I think this is all Yoko Ono's fault.

Face it people, sometimes the answer is just right in front of you.

redraider said...

PS-I like having the first and last comments on one thread, so could everyone move on to another one...there are very few accomplishments I have to brag about, so please grant me this one...

Anonymous said...

Mr T, Palidan, and Nameless and still alive. Thank you for posting. I read so much that is just the way it is. I was lucky and didn't have to fight so hard for my family, they are still young and very dependant on their parents.
So true, so true. I hurt for the people and can do nothing to get past their self imposed blindness. Once you are declared as 'out' you are as the blowing wind.
Keep working with them Nameless, they are worth it, hope you can outlast Warren.
L

Fried Female said...

To Nameless:
I understand the sorrow you have and how delicately you have to work to extricate your family from this horrible mess. Let me give you a piece of advice. As a woman who has endured the brainwashing for a long time, I can tell you that if you show LOVE and caring toward your family, they will gravitate to you and will listen to you. I know we have been told to not have "fun" or spend any money on "vacations" or frivolous entertainments, but if you will go out of your way to show your family a good time, loosen up and let them make a few decisions of their own, yea, even take them on an "outing", I can promise you that you won't have to beg them to stay with you. I am convinced that the reason that so many women are willing to leave their husbands and be reassigned is because their husbands are tyrants. Yes, they are uptight because they are TERRIFIED of all the possible retributions if they and their families don't APPEAR to toe the line. And consequently, they are so hard on their families that their wives and children aren't allowed to have a bowel movement without first being instructed to. So the women think that maybe this new man they are being "assigned" to will not be so harsh on them and they leave their husband and take a chance.

PLEASE gather your family to you with loving, kindness and FUN. It is as necessary as air, and it has been denied to us in the past 7 years. I promise you they will follow you.

Keep courage and keep faith in God through it all. His name has been horribly blasphemed and misused. Be careful to make sure your family knows it's not God who has inflicted all this destruction on our people, but an evil man with too much power.

My heart goes out to you. And to my own husband, who doesn't even know what he wants to do yet. But I'm sure he's starting to feel the same way you do. Man, good luck.

Obstructionist said...

Stayed tuned because it is a soap opera that never ends. 12 more days and the focus will be on Canada. Mark the 19th on your calender.

Give Warren a little time and he will write the next chapter, but its far from over.

MIB

Paladin for Truth said...

Those who are still under the control of King Warren need to see that a spade is a spade, a snake is a snake, and crap is still crap, even with white frosting. After all bird crap is part white, but it is still crap. The sad truth is, soon all of the identity will be lost, women are being moved around, children are forgetting who they are, they are told to call a new man father and change their last names. These people are going to be a horrible mess in 10-20 years. Nobody is going to know whose blood is where and they are going to wonder why all the birth defects from too close relation marriages. I think that it is truly sad that these children can't honor their birth fathers. Grandchildren will come forth with no idea who the real grandpa is. What a sad time for grandpa. Every day more people get a little more discouraged. Every week more men are stripped. Somebody really does need to stand up and say, no more Warren, just go away, others need to stand up and agree. All need to be determined from this day to see that not another man loses his wife or wives. We have just had the birthday of Jesus Christ pass. Let's show our Lord and Savior that we are now ready to live the way he set forth from the start. It is in the bible, it is in the Book of Mormon. I know a few are starting to make their stand, sad thing is they will be picked on like the weak chicken. Their wives will be pressured like none other to leave and be adulterers. Everyone under the control of this evil king should know by now, that Warren has no power with God, he never did. God has made sure not to honor anything Warren has said. That should be hint enough. Just look and see who God honored in the past and who he did not. See who God honors today and who he does not. It is time to let King Warren stay where he is in his perfect Hell of Happiness and let the rest have some peace and practice the teachings of Christ once again. Stop being afraid of him and keep your identity and help others get theirs back. Does anyone really know for sure that this evil snake will not turn on them tomorrow. Think about this ye faithful of King Warren. Do you know for a fact that you won't get the call tomorrow and be on the boot??

Really, do you??

Anonymous said...

The wicked flee when no man persueth. Its about Time Warren Jeffs showed up on the scene. This man is a God Send to correct all the crap that has happened in this society. By the way, Isn't it funny that the media goes off hearsay and runs with it. When in a court room it is thrown out. Can't the media be responsible and only go on evidence! Thoughts to Ponder.

Anonymous said...

The wicked flee when no man persueth. Its about Time Warren Jeffs showed up on the scene. This man is a God Send to correct all the crap that has happened in this society. By the way, Isn't it funny that the media goes off hearsay and runs with it. When in a court room it is thrown out. Can't the media be responsible and only go on evidence! Thoughts to Ponder.

Anonymous said...

The wicked flee when no man persueth. Its about Time Warren Jeffs showed up on the scene. This man is a God Send to correct all the crap that has happened in this society. By the way, Isn't it funny that the media goes off hearsay and runs with it. When in a court room it is thrown out. Can't the media be responsible and only go on evidence! Thoughts to Ponder.

Anonymous said...

The wicked flee when no man persueth. Its about Time Warren Jeffs showed up on the scene. This man is a God Send to correct all the crap that has happened in this society. By the way, Isn't it funny that the media goes off hearsay and runs with it. When in a court room it is thrown out. Can't the media be responsible and only go on evidence! Thoughts to Ponder.

hearsay said...

The wicked flee when no man persueth. Its about Time Warren Jeffs showed up on the scene. This man is a God Send to correct all the crap that has happened in this society. By the way, Isn't it funny that the media goes off hearsay and runs with it. When in a court room it is thrown out. Can't the media be responsible and only go on evidence! Thoughts to Ponder.

Anonymous said...

The wicked flee when no man persueth. Its about Time Warren Jeffs showed up on the scene. This man is a God Send to correct all the crap that has happened in this society. By the way, Isn't it funny that the media goes off hearsay and runs with it. When in a court room it is thrown out. Can't the media be responsible and only go on evidence! Thoughts to Ponder.

hearsay said...

sorry I did not mean to do this 6 times this was my first time sorry

Obstructionist said...

I thought you were making a point, so I read it 6 times! It went right over my head...

Anonymous said...

to Fried Female

Be careful, Be strong, and Stand by your man no matter what King Warren may do. His commandments mean nothing if you don't jump when he calls. Sounds like your on the right track. Know that if you need it, there is help available. And from personal experience I can tell you that the weight that is lifted from your shoulders knowing that you are free to make your own choices and decisions is a great feeling. I still have stubborn family that live in C.C. And I will remain anonymous because I don't want their condition worsened because of something I may say. Just to say that they are so bent on getting into heaven that they can't see their leader has strayed from the "Straight and Narrow path." At least they still talk to me, and I am careful not to give them any reason to change that. Just want to be there for them when realities light shines in their hearts.

Anonymous said...

What is going on in Canada on the 19th?

BTW, fried female, boy does a little bit of fun go a long way. Does your husband have fun with you all?

Anonymous said...

When are the Aliens supposed to land? And are they going to take King Warren with them please?

Anonymous said...

On April 19th Winston Blackmore the former FLDS Bishop in Canada is having an open conference that wiil be a opportunity for exchange. Its being credited as sponsored by the wives of Bountiful and the press and government agencies were invited. If any one is curious, its an opportunity, but the actions of this splinter faction are not at all as repressive as Warren's flock.

Its polygamous based, but not the dictatorial rule that you see with Warren.

Come on its only a 2000 mile drive!

Anonymous said...

Answer to native texan at 1:18 PM. Warren was most definitely seeking the postion as prophet long before his father died. Once in church, Warren was talking about former FLDS prophets, John Wooley and his son Lorin Wooley. Warren said, "Then was the time for the reign of the Wooleys. Now is the time for the reign of the Jeffs."

Anonymous said...

To Fried Female at 10:51 PM. I appreciate your words of wisdom and my doing those things, I believe is why I have not been turned in yet. Encouraging fun makes the decision harder on my loved ones, though deep down, they probably know they should reluctantly be turning me in.

You obviously wasn't at meeting when Uncle Fred told us to take the word "fun" out of our vocabulary and replace it with the word "enjoyment".Or you were and are making a statement by useing the word. ;) My family is scared to have fun and it hurts me to see them in that condition. Up and down, up and down. Most people don't know what to think anymore. They don't dare to communicate with one another for fear they will be turned in by their husband or sister wives. They, including me, keep trying to "play the game" and not get caught. Do you know what I'm referring to? I believe many of us, although we are married, don't dare seriously communicate for fear a family member, (including the children) will turn each other in.


Nameless and still alive.

Fried Female said...

Nameless, your last comment about the children turning you in reminds me of what I've been comparing Warren's rule to all along: the Hitler Youth program. He takes the young men without their fathers and indoctrinates them on what to think, say and do. Then he sends them on a "missionary" program (read: witch hunt) to people's homes, including their own, and has them ask a list of questions which includes: "is everyone in this house converted to the Prophet Warren Jeffs?"
Two problems. First, I thought that we were to be converted to Jesus Christ and God. Apparently, and this is where I can't wrap my mind around it all, Warren thinks HE is God, and therefore we should be converted to, believe in and worship almighty Warren. I have never before in my life heard a prophet of God demand such an abomination.
Second, if Warren really WERE the prophet and God spoke to him, WHY would he need spies to tell him how people truly feel? Why wouldn't God just tell His chosen servant what he desired to know? Seems awfully screwy.
So after these poor young Hitler Youth get done interrogating the populace, they report back. Needless to say, anyone who has spoken any kind of truth to them about questions or concerns is immediately ostracized and lose everything they have worked for their entire lives. Of course, there are quite a few who have managed to fly under the radar by completely lying about the "faithfulness" of their families. But then, it must just serve to make them wonder even more. If even one person doesn't swallow the whole thing and they say everyone does and they get away with it, SOMEONE isn't being told by God that they lied. Hmmmm.

Fried Female said...

Oh, and PS yes I was there when we were told to quit saying "fun." Not too much later we were stripped of the ABILITY to have fun. That's why I emphasized the word. Not only is it actually legal to have fun, but for the sake of your family and children, it is NECESSARY to have fun.

My husband is beginning to allow fun back into our lives, albeit slowly and of course, he doesn't use that word. Yet.

Anonymous said...

To 12:46 AM through 1:14 Am . Apology accepted. I’m glad you came on board as a poster from Warren’s group. If you will take a word of advice from an old friend, and a former FLDS member that was kicked out by your prophet, put on a thick skin, you’re going to need it.

My first thought when I read through your six posts, caused me to think that you had just run through your entire range of known words in eight short lines, but I could see that you still wanted to say more, you just couldn’t get it out though. :) A thought I was pondering about you is: Were you one of the FLDS people that refused for months to believe that a FLDS temple was being built in Texas, even after the media began reporting it, photos and all?

Something else you could answer if you would. How many times have you heard Warren declare the destructions were here, or coming shortly? I won’t ask you how many times it didn’t come true. That’s self explanatory.

C.C.

Anonymous said...

To Fried Woman at 10:51 pm.

As christians we are to be converted to God and his son Jesus Christ.Clearly,as evidenced by our actions,we are no longer Christians as we have converted to a foreighn "Warrenite"religion. This can be seen by the number of times Jesus Christs name is mentioned in meeting, versus
Warrens.

This is the church of Warren Jeffs,it is not the church of Jesus Christ.

I heard(so take it for what it's worth) when Willy Jessop was questioned at the Ross Chatwin hearing, the lawyer asked Willy to state his religious affiliation .


Willy replied that he was with the Warren Jeffs church.Warren should be proud,Willy's definitely got his thinking straight.He should go far in Warrenism,at least until Warren deems him a threat to his throne.Then Willy better look out.

I'm relieved to know that you are resisting Warrens "I am God"teachings.So many around us are swallowing it,hook line and sinker.

It's interesting that what you call, "flying under the radar" is what I call,"playing the game." There are numerous phrases on the underground being used that all refer to the same thing.For lack of a more expressive word,it's B.S.!

Fried woman,it's nice to meet you.Consider your hand shaken.

Nameless and still alive.

Anonymous said...

We are getting a sense here of some of the warm, human, and humorous personalities of Colorado City. It's an interesting place, full of interesting people and things. The "squeaky cheese", the zoo, the simple rural lifestyle.

Could you find a way to have all these things without Warren Jeffs or polygamy?

Please?

Anonymous said...

who the heck is ruth anyway?

Anonymous said...

Uncle Freds zoo has been razed,the rural lifesyle is in a shambles but we've still got our squeaky cheese.Thats about all warrens left us for entertainment.

Course,those of us fortunate enough to have a computer with an internet connection stashed in the basement gets to eat squeaky cheese and lurk around on this web site for diversion.Have to make sure hubby's not around though.He would't approve and I would lose my sanity after the computer is kicked out and told to repent from afar.
I can't believe I just said that.I'm go'in to hell in a handbasket for sure now.

addicted lurker.

Anonymous said...

Make that "ex-zoo". That was another thing we had to give up because it was diverting money from Warren. So let's see: He has taken our holidays away, our history, our traditions, our meetings, our children, our wives, our grandfathers, our money, our zoo. . .
The list seems to be endless. I hope one thing we won't yield to him is our dignity and sense of selves. Then we really can count ourselves as lost.

Anonymous said...

who the heck is ruth anyway ?

Anonymous said...

Ruth is Short Creek's version of Thelma

Anonymous said...

9:11 pm.You can add birthdays for our children and Uncle's,dances, Theatre.We can,no longer sing songs not commisioned by him to be written by his designated songwriters or written by himself. No more Ballet or games such as baseball, basketball,sports in general.No more festivals,fairs and parades.
NO MORE SEX FROM MY HUSBAND BECAUSE I'M TO OLD TO HAVE CHILDREN.

If he takes away the squeaky cheese,i'm really going to be pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ornery in Hildale.

ex creeker said...

To Onery in Hildale
Summer is coming. Plant cucumbers

MrT said...

I have a personal request for everyone. Please don’t make fun of or harass Ruth. She has had a life that many of us would not have withstood as well. She has been betrayed by men all her life, don't criticize her for what does not make sense that she says.

I would also request that everyone allow her to keep her life private unless she chooses to make it known.

Thank You.

Anonymous said...

To "Addicted Lurker"
'Course you know you're screwed now, don't ya? You admitted that you are lurking on the computer in the basement while your husband's not around. And now Warren's Secret Police are going to read your post (they read them all, you know) and they will tell him some women have too much freedom. Then he is going to have a "revelation" that the women shouldn't have access to a computer. I mean, what on earth do women need with a computer? Don't they have their hands full enough with laundry, meals, babies, diapers, nursing and/or pregnant, house cleaning, gardening, home schooling and catechizing the children? If you have time on your hands to lurk on this blog, you just don't have enough to do! Well, it's been nice knowing you, but if your husband is a believer, your computer priveliges will be suspended by Saturday morning, when they get their regular instructions. Sorry!

Anonymous said...

P.S. to all you anonymous disgruntled citizens of the Creek who are "playing the game" or "flying under the radar": Do you know how to cover your tracks after reading this blog or posting? If you don't, a complete history if sites visited and frequented can be accessed by unfriendly people and then your life will be very uncomfortable. If you don't know how or can't find out discreetly, post a question and any number of us can help you delete your browsing history.

Anonymous said...

How do I cover my tracks?I've got to run for tonight but i'll get the information tomorrow,thanks.

Addicted lurker.

MrT said...

In answer to another cocky, smart woman. :)

I apologize to everyone for the extremely long post. There is no short or easy answer to the questions to help people understand what is going on in the FLDS society.

I guess next time we can try for the unabridged version or wait for it to come out in paper back or something. Maybe and e-book.

For personal and family reasons I choose not to be very specific of my current personal life. None of this is about me per say. I don’t know how many of you would feel opening your personal lives to the world for scrutiny. I am far from perfect and I make no pretense of knowing everything or more than anyone else. I will answer what questions I can but it is only my view, opinion, or believe to be true etc. Take from it what you will. I am no prophet or leader in anyway so don’t quote me as some great knowledgeable source. I simply speak what I feel and see as the truth and if I am wrong I will be happy to apologize and acknowledge it when I understand my error.

I am old enough to remember earlier leaders Like Uncle Roy and Uncle Rulon. It was a simple more straight forward religion then even tho it had its disagreements. I was taught to respect all people by my parents. There is no one thing that caused me to leave. Things simply changed. My biggest error in life is that I listen to what people say and I believed with all my heart and soul. Too many promises were broken. Too many predictions of the end of the world came and went. I have the uncanny ability to make my life challenging enough on my own it got where I could not deal with the changes in the religion and my own self inflicted challenges. I became overwhelmed. When you try to live to perfection you always end up living in unbearable guilt because it is humanly impossible. You can only deal with so much self hate and disappointment because everything you do is wrong. This is what it become even 6 years ago and the difference between then and now is like night and day.

Most people in the community simply avoid me or look the other way. I still remember their true hearts and I understand where they are at so I still smile and greet them sincerely when I can. Many are still polite and decent to me.

All local Companies are directly monitored and influenced by the FLDS leadership for the most part. If you are not a “Faithful” member of the church then you will not be earning a living within the community.

With the many large families, they travel to Wal-Mart and Costco in St. George, UT for a great deal of their food and other needs. There is a Local grocery store in the community owned by the church but it’s prices are fairly expensive and has a limited range of products.. There are a fair number of skilled construction workers and truck drivers within the community. Construction is the largest career group from all aspects of building. The truck drivers deliver to far reaching cities etc,. Some have delivered cross country in the past. During the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City, UT, the people were literally banned from Salt Lake City because it was told that it would be bombed and/or destroyed. This was where the great destructions were to begin etc...... for about the 6th time.
After the World Trade Centers were destroyed the Trucks were also banned from Los Angeles because the west coast cities were going to be nuked or great earth quakes were going to drop the cities on the west coast into the ocean. Most of the truck drivers from here haul from between Los Angeles and Salt Lake and other surrounding areas. This wrecked havoc on the ability of these men and companies to earn a living. I believe many of the people from here that still drive do haul to and from L.A. and Salt Lake now so this has changed some what. I don’t know if they have been allowed to enter these cities by decree or if their families got hungry enough they had no choice.

The freedoms and abilities to travel are reasonably available but with the restricted finances etc. there is not much recreational travel very far from the southern Utah area. Travel is based primarily on need for business or shopping or family needs, etc.

There are a great deal of certified Teachers within the community. Before the church pulled the children from public schools then the local school was the largest employer in the community. Despite the current apparent insanity of a misguided tyrant and self imposed leader, the people here are a very intelligent people. It is within the last 6 years or so that the children have suffered. The Alta academy in Salt Lake City had a very strong curriculum before it was shut down when the people moved from Salt Lake City to the Short Creek Area. You will not find as a whole a more able or industrious people than the people here. They are very hard working and very skilled in their trades. Look at how fast the Temple in Eldorado has been built. It is astounding and do not think for a minute that it is shoddy work. The complaints you see about education lately is from within the last few years where church doctrine has become more of a priority in the home schooling etc. The tremendous pressures for the people to become perfected for the lifting-up and the great destructions etc,. has made the previous standards of a more worldly standard of education lapse.

Even though the irrationality of what is happening here today the people are very critical thinkers. They have to be to find ways to reinforce the current beliefs. It is very challenging to control what their hearts feel because it conflicts with the current church doctrine. They are still human and still have human feelings like everyone else.

As far as animosity between wives, there is no relationship that is not challenging from one degree to another. Polygamous or monogamous. This is what the women here have been groomed for from birth. It is all that they know. This lifestyle is not for everyone but rest assured. Even though its is difficult to comprehend. Many of these families work very well and are very supportive of each other. You will see this come out to a great degree from the summit in Canada in a couple weeks. Many of the advocates that I have seen against multiple wives seem to be selfish and want to be seen as victims. There is no excuse for abuse of any sort and especially if it leaves lasting mental damage. Children are the only true victims here as with anywhere else. As adults we all have challenges and accidents and bad things do happen but we do have the ability to control, choose and understand our lives to a far greater degree. Children do not. If a woman is an adult and understands the choice and chooses this lifestyle it should be her choice. What Warren has done here is not because of polygamy. He has shown the darkest form of humanity itself and has been seen in almost every part of history. Do not confuse this. The fact is that a good 20% of the worlds countries live this life style publicly to a great degree. I am not an advocate for polygamy. I simply want to stress that people understand the decisions they make no matter what it is they wish to choose. There is a good and bad side or a benefit and sacrifice to every lifestyle or choice. It is not for everyone.

There seems to be a persona with all the complaints that all the children and women are being abused etc. It does happen as within any society and it is wrong no matter where it happens in what ever form. The truth is that as a majority the men, women, and children are doing the best they can with what they have. The fathers and mothers love their children with all their hearts. This may sound strange with some of the children being kicked out and it is. Times have definitely changed. I hope people can learn the reality of Cults and mind control. What the level of persuasion and coercion that is takes to actually believe that a parent, should, could or even would turn away their own child. The vast majority of parents here in fact do love their children as much or more than any of you do. They have to compromise in their minds the loss of one child or stand the chance of losing all of the younger ones to the wicked ways of the world.
In my experience growing up here I had a safe, secure, and happy life. I owe this to the strength and sacrifices of my parents. I realize not everyone had this experience with their growing up here and my heart goes out to them. I say again, there is no excuse for abuse anywhere. This is not the same religion as it was even 10 years ago. Even then things happened with self-aspiring men gleaming for power or supposed authority. But then this has went on back to the beginning not only of the LDS church but of all history and mankind..

Anonymous said...

After reading the rude bartering of, some one's attempt to trade, Ruth for wild bill, and Thelma. I have concluded, I shall like to meet this Thelma, in person. I think she exibit's persinality. I like Texan's. They let there, "so called retard's" get in the show. She was not Jailed for having an opinion. I Like Texas. Let me introduce myself; I am Ruth Cooke. I made up this poem. I make up lots of poems

I will dedicate this poem to Thelma: Do the things I say make me, me?
Who am I?
Do the things I do make me, Me?
Do the things I think make me, me?
They say I am a little crazy,
only they say it politely, you know.
They say I'm a little mad.
Oh, they say things about me,
I never knew about.
Who am I?
Do the things they say make me, me?
I have been a little girl, a little crazy,
a little shy,
but, are the, "have beens," me?
Who am I? My mother comes from the Black family.
My father is a Cooke.
Blacks are very quiet, very shy, very stubborn.
Cooles are very bold, very loud, very dramatic.
I think I am a mix between the two.
I think I have been Jinxed. Who am I?
I am a little shy, a little bold,
a little dramatic, a little loud. I think I must be like the eagle and the dove. Who am I?

Anonymous said...

OMG! A Ruth Spotting!
(insert pingy pangy theme from Twilight Zone)

doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo

Anonymous said...

The family values argument can best be addressed by Uncled Fred. Since he had the mumps as a child and was sterile, his estimated 100 children which technically includes Flora were simply not his. I have heard 16 wives and you may correct me, his first 4 had no children, the remainder show several decades of where the reassignment practise occured.

The defense of christian family values is one not shared with traditional or churches outside the FLDS faith. Without a decree of Divorce exampled by Jason Williams wife Suzanne, she was reassigned without civil procedure.

When Warren asked Mayor Dan Barlow to leave the community, he was a duly elected official and while rejection from the church was his choice as gods representative on earth, with out civil procedure Mayor Dan accepted Warrens decree over the voters. In most cities a vote of no confidence or a recall might of been in order, but where church instructs state, Mr. Barlow was abliged to leave. All be it voters told to vote the prophets bidding, would of voted him out any ways, but this is not a democracy!

As for Ruth I have your picture on my wall, I took your photo at the Town Hall meeting on March 3rd you with a friend of mine, the two of you made a cute couple!

As posted in another section, those who have been identified as sex offenders, do not appear in the states sex offender registry and that alone ignores the basic right of parents to know whom the local abusers are. Its state law, not up to the Colorado City Police to decide who gets identified. I haven't met Mayor Dan's son in person, but I have met both Jack Cook and Johnny Jessop, but I am more concerned of others.

Debating family values and saying its just good people trying does not address actual convicted sex offenders that were not reported per the states reporting requirements. This may of been explained as private to the faithful, but under the law it is not!

Lets put the truth on the table and pull the court records to back it up. A war of words amongst those that pride themselves in the truth need to be honest here lest public records be posted to demostrate the facts as the courts know them.

MIB

Anonymous said...

I may not agree with your religion, or your life style, but your message I do agree with. Why are child molesters sympathized with, why there victum's are labled crazy. Mentally ill. They are tracked like Hell is on it's way in a tornado storm, but these--------molesters are sympathized with and left free. We believe in honesty. We believe in Justace. I could see these people, being left to rome around, if there victums are safe. But by ------lets give their victums the same curtiosy. A women wants to see a child. The crime was reported. She is put away. I agree, by all means. If you want what I want, equal protection under the law. Let us first establlish a law. There seams to be none, unless you can hire a lawer, but if you are just one of those molested victum's, well lets put this one away. She is crazy. Yes we know, her Father was convicted. He only got five years. She got a life sentance. Let us establlish law. VICTUMS ARE NOT CRAZY. THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTS OF THESE MEN. THESE MEN ARE. LETS BE KIND. LETS BE CUTIOUSE. LET US FORGIVE. LET US WORSHIP JESUS, BUT LET THE MOLESTERS DO IT BEHIND BARS. There was no mercy for thier crazy victums. They were marked for life. People do not say, " their is so, and so," They say, "their goes so and so'S, daughter, he did such and such." I wonder if any one ever knew these people. THEY ARE NOT THE QUILTY ONE. THE MEN WHO MOLESTED THEM ARE.

Anonymous said...

It is clear that you have been a victim of some serious wrongs.

I am on the "outside". I know some of the same things that happen on the "inside" happen on the "outside". We are all people and as such I feel pain and sorrow for you. I am a Christian and will be praying that God heals you as only He can. I pray, too, that you and your children will be safe from those who have wronged you.

I cannot imagine living as you have with all that pain. I can tell you have a relationship with the Lord. Hold fast to that and may God bless and keep you.

Anonymous said...

And as to the photo of Ruth. What does it matter, if you have her photograph. Every one who could have testified to protect her ran like cowards, to hide behind lies. Speak the truth yourself. There has been a religiouse crusade going on. NO BODY CARES ABOUT THE MOLESTED. The molesters say they are crazy and put them away, why they have a room full of other victums. This is not a secret. The government has these records. It was not hidden from any one. Pull out your paper trail, but why every one is scrambling to save face, and rearange paper's. I think it would be better to let sleeping dogs lie, and get rid of the molester's. The ones who would sell there own daughter to hell. and I am not talking about Warren Jeffs, OR HIS HONEST CITY PEOPLE. I am talking about the A. B. C. truck, and the ones who sold an inacent girl, to Hell and the twilight Zone. WArren Jeffs did stop this. When you think to expose another, make sure you can stand in the light. I think other than the religiouse persicution, my people have had to endure, from the day of their birth, the Police in Utah did ok. They just need to put predudice aside, and remove the rest of the crimnals. Where else in america, is a person asked what religion a person is from, to decide what kind of law, they will recieve. Is it this way in your state. "What is your religion? Do you love this man? Do you worship Jesus in this way? Well if you do, we then need law to restrict you. Or do you go into court, and the Judge and lawers say, "What is the crime?" Then do you procede to uphold law, or do your lawers barter and come to a conclusion, and a jury decides the sentance. Or Do you put a women away, on another mans word. Does this women have to find out there was a court, that took her life away, from gossip. I say By-------hang up that photo. lets sing agian. How many child molesters, walked away, why there victums were declared retarded. Hang up my photo, Flora, this is one story, you will not have to lie, one-I-ota, to get a story. Hang up the photo. Play the song I sung to the man too. Lets rock. I asked for one thing. ONE -----DAMED THING. ONE THING.............ONE THING. hang up the photo. lets rock. It was there choice. the cradle or the nation. I asked for my child. Just to see them. under gaurd, like they made up all the rules for me to do. YOU HAVE TO SEE HER, IN THE HOUSE HOLD OF THESE MEN, IN THE PRECENCE OF THESE MEN, ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL TIMES, AND I AM ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING. THEY THINK TO TRY ME AGAIN. HANG UP MY PHOTO FLORA. GET MY SISTER TO TELL THE TRUTH. WHY WAS SHE EXILED TO BE A STRANGER IN THE STREETS OF AMERICA. WHY FLORA, WHY HANG UP THE PHOTO. TELL THE NATION ABOUT THIS VILLAGE RETARD. AND SEND tEXAS'S A DOZEN ROSES. WHY YOU LIE TO STOP RELIGION, THE VICTUMS ARE EXPLOITED. TELL THE TRUTH WOMEN. TELL THE TRUTH. WHO WILL STAND IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH. PULL THE RECORDS. I CALLED AND REPORTED ABUSE. I WAS PUT AWAY. NOT FIT TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF LET ALONE A CHILD. I ASKED FOR ONE THING. I WAS THE RETARD. MY CHILDREN ARE BEAT FOR LOVING ME. I AM EXILED. TELL THE TRUTH, YOU--------------------THERE IS NO WORDS LEFT TO DESCRIBE I LEFT IT BLANK. IT WAS NOT PROPER LANGUAGE.

Anonymous said...

To 9:11 PM:

When you give up your freedom, you lose your dignity--so you figure how much dignity you've got left.

There is a bright side though--after reading the long list of things you've lost and had to give up--think of how much lighter you now are. Heavens, pretty soon you might even be light enough to be lifted up . . .

Anonymous said...

And why you mock, I will tell you what I did not lose. I did not lose Jesus. I did not lose my love of truth. I did not lose the ability to forgive. I did not lose the streanth to survive against all odds. I did not lose my dignatiy. I did not Lose eternal Life. Jesus said, all those who give up their all for me, will be given ten fold in return. You did take the show. You did stir people up to hate. You did try to destroy. I did hold to Love. My daughter, will go on with this Jesus. I will also. It is written, What you give out comes back ten fold. This women Thelma, wanted some one to care about her. How hard is it today, to find someone who cares. I have found a lot of people who care. What about you? You have to buy and threaten or use your followers. Who will come because they Love you? People suprting you, do so because you promise them destruction. You put on your pretty piture show. I think these women realy wanted some one to care. Caring costs nothing. It is rewarded ten fold. Why lies ruffle on the wind and are gone. It is said, people watch the news to get a moment thrill. Then it is over. Heaven and eternal Joy is never-ending. Sin never brought Joy. Sin in itself, with no accusers brings its own punishment. Hang up the photo Flora. Hang up the truth. This one you will not have to lie for. Play the song, I sung: If you dare. Get my sister to tell the truth: This one you will not have to lie for. This one will cause enough sensation on it's own. Lets rock Flora. Bring the show. Lets sing a bit. Lets dance a bit. Bring the band Flora, Lets rock the nation. Lets dance and sing again Flora. Bring the texas boots, and the cowboys in their texas hats. Lets rock this nation. Lets sing Flora. In the end who will win. Your father walks the streets too.

Anonymous said...

Wow! Ruth I am not Flora.. You came to Buster and chose to sing to him and us. We graciously did not complain, in fact we welcomed you song and poems. When you hugged Buster I asked if I could take your picture and you posed for it.

As I stated on the AIMOO board if you would detail your abuses in writing I would crusade an investigation into a past I am unaware of. It was not I who abused or ignored you. But to address such issues, I need to have them in writing. I need to know who did what and when, I need dates and names.

One day you were making that long trek to St. George on foot and a very good friend of mine picked you up. You sat in the back seat and a woman gave you fruit, oranges I think. That was my wife, picking up a weary traveler was the right thing to do. Helping that same traveler is still the right thing to do. But meet me half way and place your issues in writing and not in a public forum, such issues are private or should be.

I can't help if you refuse to walk to the center of the room, meeting me half way. I don't get paid for what I do, whether any one here agrees with me or not. I am who I am, just as Warren is who he is. I have issues with Warren which are documented and my truth is in the paper that Warren himself generated, if these are lies, then they are lies he committed to text.

As for whether the system has failed you or others, it has miserably. In 1987 when Sam Barlow was under investigation by DPS in Arizona, Jameson was the young AG investigator trying to decertify Barlow, then the police chief. 87 witnesses completed affidavits supporting Sam, who had abused his power, which included 40 from Law Enforcement. Sam was endorse often on agency letterhead, a "breach of public safety". The District attorneys of Washington County and Mohave county were included in that list, they were complicit to those abusing their power. Jim Gober of BATF, Phil Jordan of DEA, Bob Rehm of Arizona DPS, the Police Chief of Cedar City, The Elected Sheriff was Iron County, County Supervisors and a Utah Legislator. It was a who's who of the local region endorsing Mr. Barlow, who had violated his "oath of Office". This can be seen or read in a September 2nd, 1987 article in the St. George Spectrum, written by Loren Webb. Is it any wonder that you believe you were treated unfairly?

Flora whom you are angry with, was abused by DFS supervisor Chuck Sullivan when he breached her confidence by exposing private abuse complaints to the same priesthood council. The AG at the time Paul Graff, gave advise to Ben Bistline who had asked for it on behalf of Flora. He basically advised Flora to marry so she could later flee as an emancipated wife under the law. This is sad advise for a child who does not want to marry. Yet, you seem to hate Flora who also experienced trama, why hate other victims?

In 28,000 cases presented to Eric Ludlow in his 13 some odd years as County District Attorney, he did not prosecute a single case related to Colorado City abuse. While this was challenged in his confirmation hearings, the fault of agencies not enforcing the law, can hardly be blamed on activist that did not live in the area or who were not yet familiar with the subject.

Give us a clean slate for what we can achieve now and forgive us a past that we had no control over.

If you can meet me half way, I will send you my email address, I have yours, but out of respect I have not sent you unsolicited emails.

No disrespect was intended.

MIB

Anonymous said...

I will meet you half way. I said what I did to Flora. I do not hate her. She took the photo. I sang the song. It is this song I did speak about. I do not hate any one. I went like the ones before me. Loving Sam. Praying for Steven. I took those drugs. I walked across the desert. All night I walked. I walked from flagstaff, to the grand canyon. I got a ride twice, but I walked all night. I was thrown out again. I spent three weeks on crutches, for walking so far. I do not know why God did pick me. I am not any different than any one else. I took the drugs. I was put away. I listened to Sam Barlow talk in church. He does know how to talk. I will give him this much credit. I heard stories all day and night. I heard there was another Sam Barlow, out to Centenial Park. I do not wonder what he did again.[I am talking about Samuel Barlow of colorado city.] I wonder why people are afraid of him. He is no different than any other man. God does not uphold people who sell inacent women to Hell. They are all there. There is only one thing that is the same. Sam Barlow. Steven Barlow. with a word the women were sold. To be mocked and scorned and hated. To be plundered because, They were not as good. The men did walk with pardon. They were not even tagged by the state. My brothers daughter. My sister. How many more. How many more. You people who would feed these boy's. Teach them any thing that is good. If you can. How many parents turned their child away. How many were taken so they could be free, to be pesicuted on america's streets. I walked alone. I walked alone. I would not lie. I did get my information about Flora from Flora. She wanted me to comprimise. She was on drugs when I called her. I called Judith A Moorse. She sent me a paper, saying I had to sign all the rights over to the media, in order to have her help me. She said, she only takes cases the law had failed, and their familys turned away. I said no. I walked with My Jesus. He did put the life back into me. I was offered to get on the witness stand, and lie against Warren Jeffs. I said no. I walked with my Lord. Meet me half way? Do you relize what half way would be. I went to the mentle hospital. I walked ten years through a hospital, with my daughter. she died horribly in my arms. My ten year old did. I sat with her for three weeks, why she died, being told I loved her to much. Being screamed at. Being cursed. Three weeks I watched this child die. and the other two, and they took the one who would live, and put me away. I was crazy. Why? Why? They always ask me. They always ask me. Why? Like I did this thing. Why? I was a Cooke. He was a Barlow. I was a daughter of a child molester. Why? Because he could.

And Thelma, she was posting a sign, that said the devil had arrived, but with in the short amount of time, My people were in Texas, She was posting that Jesus was the Christ.
And Texas, I like you because when I was in your state, I was treated like a human being. I could say no to drugs.
The Ranger's that put me in the hospital, In Texas,when My step Father called them, saying I was retarded: They were Gentleman. The people in the mission house sang to me.
Texas will always be my heaven. It will be.
The man I love lives there.
Or will if he does not yet.
He does build a temple for me.

Anonymous said...

Tell me how you are related to Caroline Cook, Victoria Cook and Sarah Cook? Who was your father? Jack?

MIB

Anonymous said...

I would rather ask you such questions outside of an audience, but this is your choice.

MIB

Anonymous said...

Email me. give me a name. I think an audience is not too bad, if I am to be judged again, I may as well have my side heard, too. Since my name has been used for jest to barter and sell other's. I will go to texas and meet thelma. I will sing to her. I will make up a song for her, about Texas Cowboy Love.

Anonymous said...

I will do both! I will email you today and listen by word here. Publicly stating your abuses tells some of the wrong people someone is looking, but then, who knows maybe you're right, that could be good.

Empowerment is therapy and just being here is an example of that. Those without a voice have no hope, maybe what you know and speak will save someone else, from the abuses you experienced.

Look for my email.

MIB

Anonymous said...

The email was sent, its up to you, I will help if I can.

MIB

Anonymous said...

I know that my enimies read this web blog. I am not afraid of them. They followed me for a year, making fun of me. They know who they are. I will say all failed me. I was silent for six years to protect my daughter. The only way she did live, is to not be with me. I WILL TELL YOU ALL THIS, MY ENIMIES. I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU. YOU ARE COWARDS. IT IS EASY TO DESTROY WOMEN AND CHILDREN. WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN THE NATION DOES HEAR THE TRUTH. I HAD COURT WITHOUT BEING INFORMEND. THESE MEN TOOK MY CHILDREN AWAY. THEY ABUSED US, AND PUT ME AWAY. I WAS SENTANCED FOR LIFE, FOR WHAT THEY DID, AND PUT AWAY. NOBODY TALKED TO ME. NOBODY. MY ABUSERS HAD THE POWER WITH A WORD, TO CONVICT ME FOREVER. I HAD NO MIRANDA RIGHTS. I HAD NO HUMAN RIGHTS. I HAD NO SAY. SUPOSIDLY, I AM MENTALLY ILL, NOT CAPABLE OF TAKING CARE OF MYSELF LET ALONE A CHILD. EVERY BODY HAD HEARD THIS BUT ME.
HOW DID OUR NATION GET SO UN-LAW-FUL. AND THE MAN CONTINUES TO ABUSE MY CHILDREN. I AM ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING.

Anonymous said...

I did not see your email. I will give a few names. Willard Marion Barlow went to school in Cedar City. He was going to be a vetrinarian. He was pulling straight a's. He was expelled from school. He offered his wife to a man named Brad. Brad does drugs behind the cover of a company that sells eseential oils. He was at the diary giving cows shots behind peoples backs. He was introduced to me, as Dr. Bagley. Willard Marion Barlow. Started a dry wall company with my ex-husband Shelly Gene Cooke. Shelly Gene Cooke was ousted from the company. A women that was my respite sitter, said he molested my daughter. No one believed her. I did not. She became the village retard. She was LeeAnn's sister. She died in dixie, From a doctor stitching her bowls shut. they said this was an accedent. I had two babies die. The state did an investigation. I was never told why. I was always questioned about how I fed these children. That is all I heard. My daughter had a head injury. Again an investigation was done. Again they only questioned me. I took the blame for this accedent for ten years. For twelve years I stayed home tending my children. People would come to me and yell and scream at me. They would critazise me, for what he did. I lived in literal poverty, until Fred M. Jessop, heard how I lived. He then built my house for me. He sint me money in the mail. Shelly G. Cooke did not know this. He did drywall, and drove a desial truck. At the time I heard what this respite sitter said, I begin to wonder. She said that he did throw a knoke at her, and threaten to kill her. I had never seen this man violent. as time went on, I also did suspect this. I did confront him. Sam Barlow, did come with him. They took me to kingman. They were going to get connie presnel, to help them. She would not participate, so they said. They took me in a room with another women. We sat down at a table. She did say, "Do not put her in this jail, she would never survive." I looked at her. I laughed. I said, "What?" I said, "I have been misrepresented by these two men." She became upset. She said, "did you ever hurt your daughter?" again I laughed. I said, "no" I did not know at this time, that Sam Barlow was my enimie. We left the room. Sam and Shelly argued. They refused me a phone call. When I arrived back home, I went for a walk. My children were still at the baby-sitters. I was impressed to go home. I did. I walked in on my ex-husband molesting my daughter. I will not give the details on an open Blog. I called 911. I left this man. He came back to harrass me. Saying, "This matter had already been investigated, and said he knew what to do to take care of me. I told him I do not care. I moved into Dick Cooke's house for protection. Dick Cooke said he owned me. I laughed at him too. I told him --nobody owned me. That was the greatest mistake. He did own me. I just did not know this yet. There was a girl, I liked. She was teaching me how to play the piano. Dick said I was a lesbian. She was mad at me. She said, her husband did, not want her to talk to me. Steven Barlow, asked my how, I liked her. He asked me about kidnapping her children. I was confused. I cried in my bed for three days. I went to see Uncle Fred. I told him this was not true. He did protect me. Willard was my age. I knew of him. I went to school with him. I did nothing with him. He came and asked me to marry him. I did. He was married to Leeann. She told me, she had been praying for me to come. I spent one year under the grossest of abuse. He would take Leeann and I for a ride in his car, and make her drive. He wanted me to have sex, with him. She cried in the back seat. I told him I was not his hore. I seen the letter he had wrote, to offer her to Brad. She was humiliated. He began to beat my children. He spread lies all over about me. I was the villiage idiot. I did not know all he did until later. I mean I di not know every one thought I was the village idiot. I was taking care of my children. I took acare of his preschoolers, and my children. I cleaned his house every day. I made lunch every day, for the school children. Lee Ann worked in the preschool with Ilene. She cried a lot in her room. He gave her pills. He tried to force pills down me. He took me to a motel, and tried to get me to drink. I do not do drugs. I do not drink. When we were done with our battles, I still did not do drugs. I still did not drink. Mitzi was concevied. He spent the time I was pregnant, trying to make me abort her. He would lock me out. He drugged my son. He beat my son's, and beat them for talking about this. I called 911. When we got to the hospital, the boys story changed. I was the idiot. These Barlow's only had me in there family for one year. Not one of them was kind to me. Willard screamed at me, saying his mother had to die. She was taken to the clinic. She too was put on medicine. I never heard why. His brother was the doctor. I could go on for a year. every moment I was in that house. abuse did occure. He beat little tiny preschool children, for twitching in prayer. He drugged my daughter. He did drug me. He did take my daughter and son, into the bed room and torment them. I could hear their cries. This is when I battled with him. I tried to open the door. He di throw me down. I did again open the door. He did throw me down. I agin opened the door. He did throw me down. I did report abuse to Dr. Smith. The talk was, I was hallucinating my father. Non of this was real. My family all testified against me. I was the retard. I supose I must have apeared retarded. I was the only one in the house who was not afraid of him. He decided what we were quilty of and punished us, accordinly. I was the imoral retard. I know my family did and does not know all that happened. He is very good at these stories. My brother did come to ask me. I was stupid, because Willard was ahead of me, with his story's. At any rate, I left his house after a year. I took mitzi with me. I took my other two children. I tried to take my other son's. My eleven year old was forcfully dragged from me. My daughter died. MY other one was drugged and taken from me. I was told they would kill her, and every one would think I did this. I went to the mentle hospital. I was forced on drugs. I was court ordered treatment. I worked in Flagstaff, for a Little while. I was making eight hundred dollars a month. Dick got the Apartment for me. Uncle Fred came down. He gave Dick one thousand dollars to get me an apartment. I had never been away from home. My job had been a mother. I did not talk to Uncle Fred. about what had happened to me. I was not told what happened to Mitzi for a long time. They said she was squared away. What ever that means. It was at this time, Willard and Dick came down and told me to sign this paper, so I could go home. It was noterized and I was required to take a partnting class. This was the papers to take my children away. I found this out later. When I moved to fredonia. In this court, I was declared mentaly, and phisaccly not capable of taking care of myself, let alone a child. I continued to work. I called home every day, asking to go home. My sister, in pheonix, came to Flagstaff. She also wanted to go home. She had been down there for three year's. Dick expected her to move into this tiny apartment, with me. It did not even have a kitchen. She looked at me. She said "MY, Hell how do you stand this. It is filthy. It is not fit for a human, let alone all of us. She had her children. I began to look around me. She was on housing. I could no longer work. I was so flipping exastued. I got on S.S.I. She found us and apartment. A two beroom apartment. Dick continued to harrase us. I wanted to go home. He told her, she was the problem, and that he knew she would fail. He told me, that she hated me, and wanted me gone. I called MY sister, at home, a lot. I did not at this time, Belive all this one in pheonix told me. Dick did let me come home. He let her also. Then after more sick, sick, sick, Dick Cook abuse, He threw me out again. I had to take a pregnacy test. I called him up, and told him, it took more than a phone call to get a girl pregnant. I did mock him. They had the power. They had the say. That is just some of it. I do not give a hoot about the ones outside of my church, that was participants in this. I want these men stopped. I was a fool. I was a stupid Short Creek fool. Willard told me how to kill a baby so nobody would know. He told me he would teach my children to be child molesters and turn them over to Their father. I am the one who took the wrap. My sons were threatened with a boys home, if they did not go to denver with this man. They did make an attempt to do this. Thank's to Lamar Winword, and Judge L. Shumate, My children remaind in my custody, except Mitzi. They used her as a pawn to controle me, " ya, come get your son's and I will kill your daughter. You will go to Jail again. These cops did openly lie about me, in this court. Again, They have the witnesses. They have the say. All are not traitors. Just some. I have their own written statement. I will quote, This is Johnathon Roundy speaking. He is one of the cops who assulted me, when I went to see my children. I had a court order, saying I had to be there. I had to be guarded by Willard Marion Barlow at all times, and be in his precence, in his house, to see my daughter. They made up the rules not me. I was arrested for crimnal tresspassing. I was arrested with interfering with a police officer, and resisting arrest. This is his statement. "As I walked up to the lovation Ruth said, "Jonathan Roundy" so I knew she was some what coherent. I know she has been prescribed medication in the past." on and on. They never took the time to know me. They are Willard and Dicks friends. Helaman, and vance Barlow were always kind to me. Fred Barlow, I never know was a cop. Mika and Fred booked me. This women in the Jail, wanted me to spread my arms. I could not, because of their treatment of me. The women said, this is not a joke. I said, I am sorry, but I can not use my arm. They did move me to another room. Bail was posted, and I was brought before a Judge. Again I am going on trial, for my mentle health. This time, I shall have a jury. It is written in the scriptures, If a person offend thee, privatly go betwene him and thee. If a person offend you publicly, it is a matter of publicity. It was said, from Texas, to California, My retardedness, before I ever knew. Yet in texas they treated this retard as a human being. In amirrillo Texas, the trash cans are like our walmart. In amirillo texas there is a faith city mission house. They have some encredible singers and sermons. They feed people. The give homeless people food. They took care of this one retard. The buses, the cat's, the street junkies. All had nore curtisy than My fathers brothers house. They had nore maners than my husband who swore to Love and honor, and protect. In texas street's, the ones under the bridge, did offer me. I said no. They said ok. In texas I could say no to men touching me. I could say no to drugs. I am laying the blame, of what happened to me, on society. Every one was at fault. It is not that I did not say what happened to me. I did not want to leave home. This was most of the choices I had. I did not want to do drugs. Willard was easy to resist. Try resisting in a lock down asanasylum. Then I was snared. Dick did onw me. all he had to do is make a call. In texas he made that call to them too. I was hospitalized. In texas they treat there retards like people. I remaember every face. Will in flagstaf. William in texas. The man my ex- traded drugs with on his desiel truck, in novia scotia canada. In canada, when he tried to sneak across the wron port, and he forgot my Id. so he had to go back to the port that let me in. To teawana Mexico, where he was detained for hours coming back into the united states. They did not check his bags going out. only in. And to the one in california, on the boat. He at least did give me a chair. He sweat a great deal, seeing me face to face, but that ended these men after me, that dick had hired. I remember the man who gave my daughter her shot. I have not forgot one face. Dr. Twiggs. Dr. Kerry Smith. She was the greatest doctor, I ever saw. Dr. Moody. Connie Presnel. Linny. Cathy. Ilene. Every day I fed a handicap child, that had a head injury. I fed her every two hours, for ten years. I walked through the hospitals in dixie, In pheonix, St. Joeseph's. the county hospital. My mystrey daughter. I listened to the insults. I fed my child. I dressed my child. Every day I braided her hair. I sent three cute little boys to school. They played with my daughter. She was the center of our Life. We revolved around my daughter, and when I met Dick on a word I was not fit. Not fit to see my own daghter who would walk. One who woul talk. My sin wanting a daughter. And they took her from me. Who would defend me? The mentle health? The nurses? The doctors? They all knew. It was me who was accused. I never heard. I never knew I was already convicted. Who will defend me? I WALKED ALONE. MOCKED BY ALL. I CALLED FLORA. I CALLED THIS DENTIST IN SALT LAKE. I WENT TO THE CHILD BRIDE ORGANISATON. BOB CORAN WAS NICE TO ME. I WENT TO UNCLE FREDS HOUSE. STEVEN BARLOW THREW ME OUT AGAIN. I WENT TO THE COLORADO CITY POLICE. THEY DID NOT WANT TO HEAR MY BULL. I WENT TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNY. HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT MY RELIGION WAS. I SCREAMED AT HIM. HE ALSO WAS THE MAN WHO ARRESTED MY FATHER. I DID NOT KNOW THIS WOULD UPSET ME. The mentle health would help me, until they talked to my family. Who is at fault. We all are. The indians' took care of me. I listened to two lawers say they came up here for vacation, because every one in my city was so easy going. They were debating wheather or not to put a boy in jail, for sneaking out with two girls. I heard one say, What should I say. The mother said, tell the truth. this girl said, what if she lies. The mother said tell the truth. She did. This boy was eighteen. she was seventeen. Because she told the truth, this boy was given a chance to go to school, instead of going to jail, with a crimnal record. These lawers were only on vacation. I told this girl, at least you were only drinking. you can quit. I can not quit my sin. wanting to see, my child. making the mistake of wanting a man to love me. Meeting my Fathers brother. I do not know why nobody defended me. My brother, who seen the shows in Dicks house. My sister in pheonix. My sisters at home. May be they thought they were the only ones too. May be they thought it was them, like abusers inflict quilt upon their victums. Maybe it was the telivision show, that said we were retarded, and I solated. That mentle hospital was very close to me. Maybe it is predjudace. Maybe men wanted more glory. I think Winston can call himself lucky. He wanted a church to lead. He has a following from Africa. He has a few left from canada. The dentast, in salt lake. He has the ones in the apartment, Willard pays the rent for, why the man that raped the girl, is selling Willard his truck. And she is a prisoner of society. How many more women like Pam will there be? She owns her own property. She did not get put away when Sam Barlow tried. She was more vocal than me. How many nore women are there going to be, like Lanore Timpson, who married an alcholic, and carried on her fathers abuse. She got on the bus and Told Dick Cooke to his face he was a child molester. she was vidiod like my, by steven Barlow. She was institutionalized. She was put on drugs. Her children were put on the bus with the acused. I made a complaint to the school. My children could not read and Wright. her's were straight A student's and won an award, by the state of arizonia. Yet, they were not protected. Is there not power in a state, to make corrections. This is a powerful burden on the state. To make the district attorney's pay the price. They can only go off the information given them. LETS ALL BE AMERICAN. iN MY CASE it shall not be to dificult to win. As all who know anything about me, outside of gossip, will never walk away thinking I am retareded. You may think a lot obout me, but you will never think I am retarded. Court is again in session. My jury has been selected. Think carefuly before you pass the verdict.

Anonymous said...

Ruth

I used the email address use registered with at AIMOO, it was a hotmail address, is there another address?

I know many of the names below. I began with Lenore Holm in August of 2000 and know her history well.

Pam Black is a friend as well, you're right she was lucky to own her own land and yes it was the "bloated toad" (Sam Barlow) who tried to ruin her life. There is much truth in what you have said.

Officer Jonnathon Roundy is Sam's brother, correct? Judge Walter Steed of Hildale assigned his underage daughter Lucille to be Jonnathans 2nd wife, but she too was the lucky one and fled after one long month there. Its time to set the secrets FREE!

The stories of drugs include both perscription and illegal, both misused in a society with little oversight. Perscription drugs are high and misused because the Hildale clinic has its own doctors that can legally perscribe perscription drugs. Like you Tamara and others were kept in line with these, that secret was let out of the box some time back.

Then like you Ms. Phelps lawyers tricked her into signing over custody papers on her kids, to whom? Amy and William Black, this while William was already in Mexico after fleeing authorities. Some people wondered who paid Amy's lawyer fees. Kidnapping someone else children seems legal out there. Reassigned or if not willing by force seems accurate to me.

I am curious who the vacationing lawyers were and when you reported your abuse to Mr. Smith, was that Kirk Smith?

If you were with Dick or Richard Cook, this was your uncle? Was Jack your father? You need to give me a short lesson on your family tree?

The dentist you speak of his Dan, I know much from your dialog, but need to iron out points. If you would give your email to this webmaster and not the group, maybe he can relay it to me or vice-versa.

Can you tell me about your daughter? Did she pass away and if so at what age? Where was she? and by what official cause?

With your permission, I would like to speak to your sister to understand more of what you have said here.

As for Sam Barlow, his day is coming!

MIB

Anonymous said...

Ruth

I used the email address use registered with at AIMOO, it was a hotmail address, is there another address?

I know many of the names below. I began with Lenore Holm in August of 2000 and know her history well.

Pam Black is a friend as well, you're right she was lucky to own her own land and yes it was the "bloated toad" (Sam Barlow) who tried to ruin her life. There is much truth in what you have said.

Officer Jonnathon Roundy is Sam's brother, correct? Judge Walter Steed of Hildale assigned his underage daughter Lucille to be Jonnathans 2nd wife, but she too was the lucky one and fled after one long month there. Its time to set the secrets FREE!

The stories of drugs include both perscription and illegal, both misused in a society with little oversight. Perscription drugs are high and misused because the Hildale clinic has its own doctors that can legally perscribe perscription drugs. Like you Tamara and others were kept in line with these, that secret was let out of the box some time back.

Then like you Ms. Phelps lawyers tricked her into signing over custody papers on her kids, to whom? Amy and William Black, this while William was already in Mexico after fleeing authorities. Some people wondered who paid Amy's lawyer fees. Kidnapping someone else children seems legal out there. Reassigned or if not willing by force seems accurate to me.

I am curious who the vacationing lawyers were and when you reported your abuse to Mr. Smith, was that Kirk Smith?

If you were with Dick or Richard Cook, this was your uncle? Was Jack your father? You need to give me a short lesson on your family tree?

The dentist you speak of his Dan, I know much from your dialog, but need to iron out points. If you would give your email to this webmaster and not the group, maybe he can relay it to me or vice-versa.

Can you tell me about your daughter? Did she pass away and if so at what age? Where was she? and by what official cause?

With your permission, I would like to speak to your sister to understand more of what you have said here.

As for Sam Barlow, his day is coming!

MIB

Anonymous said...

Miss Ruth Cook, Or Barlow, or whatever you want to go by: I remember one time while I was still living in my fathers house in Colorado CIty, he invited Willard over for dinner after you had married him. It was before your daughter died. It was clearly evident to everyone there that you were seriously mentally ill. Your daughter started crying during the blessing of the meal, and I can honestly say, you didn't treat her very kindly. I remember feeling sorry for you, for you looked so emotionally beat up. You speak SOME truths of what you say, and some of what you write I can understand. I remember seeing you walking down the streets of Fredonia like a homeless person. You are trying to fool yourself into believing things that are in no doubt purpostrous. Whatever drugs you say they forced you to take, have definitely loosened some screws in your head to the extent that you must be seeing things. Maybe some of these things DID happen to you, and I think that all parties should be investigated more closely and the guilty should be punished. But I can tell you that you most definitely are not capable of raising children, let alone yourself. Oh, if only Warren could get ALL his faithful followers to be as mind controlled as you, he would for sure have his "army of one". Please, for your sake and everyone elses, put yourself back in the assylum before you do something "ruth" like!!

Anonymous said...

Mr T,

Thank you for your post. It needy to be lengthy, don't apoligize. I do not doubt there are some incredibly good people in CC/Hildale. It is interesting to hear about the lifestyle. I understand that the women know nothing else and would be totally overwhelmed if they lived my life. That is kind of sad to me.

Anonymous said...

Oooops, pressed enter before I was finished with my post!!!

The people in Tx. HAVE to be extremely skilled. I have seen the temple from the road and it is absolutly unbelievable!!! Too bad they can't share those skills.

Thank you to everyone else who posts about their lifestyle here. Keep it up if it helps you feel better.....be careful though.

another cocky, smart woman

MrT said...

Posting here makes little difference to me. It's not about me.
I see different people from different perspectives saying different things and I respect that, we need more of that. I may be a bit hypocritical in criticizing Warren but it bothers me that people that have not walked in someone else’s shoes, attack and flame others telling them what they should think and what they should do.
If people look at this situation as a means to become an advocate for vengeance or a witch hunt or out of hate etc., then there will never be a positive outcome. I have seen a few people that have set themselves up to draw attention to themselves rather than to the real problems that exist. That is very self-serving and does not solve any problems. The mind set that the ends justifies the means is as destructive as what Warren is doing. If we have the ends justify the means attitude then the cost is too great and we will all lose.
Truths need to be said here not attacks just to have an opinion. Some times the truth is harsh but it is always fair.

If your looking to be a victim or make someone else a victim please go somewhere else. We all have harsh realities in our life and we seek to understand them to learn from them but lets be careful we don't step on innocent people in the process. Just because sometimes we need to ask for help along the way does not make us a victim. The children are the only true victims. We adults can have bad things happen to us but we have the ability to work through it and seek understanding or help if needed. A part of being an adult is the ability to take responsibility for ourselves and our own actions. Let us do what needs done because it is the right thing to do not because we feel wronged.

I think it is important that everyone post here that can add to it so that we can all understand. This helps allot even with the people that do not understand that ask questions, please do so. I have lived the FLDS reality most of my life and I still do not understand it all. Every person has different experiences and perspectives doing many of the same things.

All I ask is that we report the truth as best we can and try to treat people with respect even if we feel they don’t deserve it.

Anonymous said...

THE LORDS PROPHET WILL BRING THE WRATH OF GOD UPON ALL OF YOU UNBELIEVERS AND APOSTATES, JUST LIKE HE DID TO THE PERSECUTORS OF JOSEPH!!!

Anonymous said...

To mib, or the one who cares. I am interested in talking. There is too much truth in all these women's talk. I also knew Tamra Phelps, a little. There are others who are known, but not named yet. This is my email. ruthjcooke65_@hotmail.com I can delete the ones I do not want to see. I am not afraid of publicity. As you can see by that other ones post, saying what she did about me, living with Willard, this is what I endured with him, from all. Critazism. I care nothing about critazisim. I am for stopping gross abuse. gross, gross abuse. Lets help these women. I am talking to the one who wanted my email address. Sam Barlow id quilty. Johnathon Roundy is not his brother. Steven is. Mica is stevens son. William Black was married to Trumans Daughter. Marvin is my brother. Caroline is his daughter. Bill is also Dick's son. Bill is also Marvins son. Gene is Dicks son. I call Dick Dick, Because he is Dick. My father was Jack. I lived with his brother Dick. What a heritage. I try to pretend I do not know a Jack and a Dick. Dick is realy Richard Henery Cooke. His father was Bill Cooke. Bill Cooke was from Idaho. He was Married to Aunt Radie. Jacks mother was Myrtle vera cooke. She died. I never Knew her. My brothers and sisters are: Allen, Claude, Laurene, Joeanna, eve, Royal, Lydia, Kristine, Russel, Shirley, Lester, Ronnie, Alice, Laura, Diane, Lola, Robert, Geniel, Mathew, Mary, Katie, stanley, Grace ann, Fredrick, Thomas, Paul, Erna, Jack Jr. Gwen, Orval, Marjene, Linda, Orlin, Ross, Myrtle, Max, Louise, Nancy, Benjiman, Rebecca, Marie, Susan, Lorin, Nathan, ME, Edwin, Blaine, Holly WAlter and Daniel. give or take a few.
I will tell you the dead. Marjene. My daughter Donna Marie. Orlin, Blaine, Cathy Bistline, Kristle Dawn, Esther Ruth
With Donna, I was never told. An investigation was done by the f.b.i. I looked in her chart, when I came back from texas. Dr. Kerry Smith, who I heard came from new york city, did defend me. I suposed from that note, I was the accused. At Donna's frunral, Willard told me Mitzi was next. He got in the hersh, and cried like he realy cared, after he said that. He is the only one who cared. My sister Marjene died of cancer. She was harrassed like me. We, my sisters were sent home because we loved her. We were singing to her. I stayed. She Jumped out of bed, in a flurry, and said I have to have something to eat. I do not care what it is . She ratched through the house, like a starved to death women. There was a house fire. She left her Iron on. My brother Lorin said he pulled her out, but when they came, she was to sick, and they climed aout the window.
Esther Ruth was born with endocardiofibrolactosis. which is, the end of the heart valve did not close. She died from a heart that was enlarged so big it crushed her stomic. She starved to death. Kristle Dawn Cooke, was born with dextria cardia, so they said. All her organs were reversed. She had total dextria cardia, so they said. They said it was rare, to have totla dextria cardia. most people only had one organ revesed. they said at first she should live a long time. She also died of an enlarged heart, that crushed her stomic. She starved to death. I told the doctors in pheonix, did up my other baby. retest them. they said we can not. They thought she might have pompays desiese. They said it is inconsistant with pompay's desise for only one organ to enlarge. They took a peice of flesh out of her leg to test. It came back negative. They argued about another test. I did not hear what all was said. They did not know I could hear them. One said, "The mother would never agree" They Kept her ten days. Her lungs were filling faster than they could be suctioned. She was in conjestive heart faliure. They did not expect her to live past ten day's. After ten days they sent me home. They had her with Home health. She lived another two months and died.
My Brother Edwin killed himself, so they said. This was Dicks story. He took a tube or hose, and hooked it up to a car, and asphixiated himself. We were told to stay away. At that time, Marie lived with Val, so we had some fredom. We went any how. We went into a morge. or a place. He did lay upon a table. He was green and colored like the unprepared dead. He was turned to ashes. Dick said he had to be burned to attone for his sin. He was in a place to over come molesting, and being molested. He is the only one of my brothers that have said he was molested. I was eight, he was seven when my father came to his bed. Then he beat him and threw him out in the winter, to freeze. I went out and sat with him. I am not the one who was beat, that day. He was. He did not have a choice to say no. It is questionable, Did he kill hiself? I only know what Dick said. He went to a store. He bought the stuff. His signature was on the paper. He left a note, to my mother. It said, "If you want to know why I did this, It is none of your business. He did tell my mother before he died, that it was not her fault.
My brother Orlin was going to work with William Black. My brother Lorin was driving. My brother said, william grabbed his hand. He was tring to get some snack food why he was driving. William Black was smarting around. When my brother looked up, he was off the road. He over corected. The van rolled. My Brother had a hole through his head. My brother driving, said he went to the city of heaven. He did get up and try to help my brother. He was walking around and did not know he was hurt, until the cops came. He was trying to help my brother. Then he was out for a while. I was forced to go to the funral, and look at the hole in my brothers head. we were very close. Britt, Orlin. We did a lot. they were my friends. I did not want to go see him dead. I was forced.
With Laurene, there also was a house fire. The neighbors came and she got out in time. They seen the smoke up on the roof. she was cooking in the house. The fire started in the attic. She got out in time to not have the celilng fall down on her. John stewart's wife, brought food to the people who helped put out the fire. Alvin Barlow moved maries plants.
Kathy was my respite sitter. she is the one who said she, saw Shelly Gene Cooke Molesting my handicap daughter, first. I was in texas when she died. I heard a doctor stitched her bowls shut. They then did explode. Suposidly this was an accedint.
More of the Questionable dead? There was the school teacher, who drove of the cliff, betwene hurricane and colorado city.
There is The one who was selling Shelly his truck, I can not remember his name. He was swimming in Lake powel. He did walk into the lake and did not walk back out.
The three men, in the airplane. They had feul. They died on the mountian. This was when I came home for a bit from flagstaff. I went to the frunral. I looked at the two men. They also did look like my children, and their drugs. I did go home and ask Dick what he thought Donna would look like dead. She was already dead. I was speaking spiritually. She did live in the heavens. He will not. I did say to him. What do you supose she would look like dead? He did have these dead hung in pitures upon his wall. Like his trophies. With my Daughter Donna Marie, he waited until the day before she died, to call all the meighbors in for sympathy. Her back did bend backwards. I listened to her back bones break, for three weeks she retracted. Her head sat on her butt. Blood did run from her mouth. Blood did run from her ears. Blood did run from her G-tube. On that last day, they all came in. these people. Dick did come and take a piture to show, uncle Rulon. She did smile for the show. A few in fredonia, did get to see that photo graph. Dick will not give it again. It is printed in my head. Ask the nurse in the doctors office why she screamed at me. and then the home health came. Debbie Bistline, said she was already dead. I just needed to shut down the tube. I could not make myself quit trying to feed her. They told me I had too. She was dead any how.
other questionable dead?
The one who went to the edge of the world. They were rock climbing. The story I heard, is he just slipped to his death.? There are other's. YOu already have the records. the buriels.
With me, I was sentanced to death on america's street's. A convicted child abuser. Who would hire me? I went to cedar city mountian. I aplied for a job. I was hired. I went to another lodge. I put my name on a computer. I was testing them. I went back to were I worked. The people who had hired me, recieved a phone call. They said they would let me work that day, but I could not come back. I wlked away. They sent someone to give me a ride. When I found out who they were I insisted they put me back upon the street.

How is that? There is more. Think of Emily's daughter. She was gange raped. They put sand in her mouth, and every other place they could. and Sam Barlow sent her away. I heard this talk.
Who else is there? Louis Barlow had a son drown. He did recieve a letter. It said, he was only the first. More would follow.
And since We have returned to cout again, Dick has been over to Eldon's house to fix his pipes. I did not go to see, if he would wink at me through the bedroom window again.

Warren said...

The Lord spake unto his Prophet Warren Jeffs saying, "Tell my daughter Ruth, also known upon the Earth as Opalb, who also calls herself Comute, that she should no longer posteth upon this blog, Him finding bloggers to be the foulest of Satan's minions."
Then the lord spake unto me saying, "Warn Ruth that if she continueth posting upon this blog that I will sendeth Willie to smite her."
Thus sayeth the Lord

Anonymous said...

well look in the mirror you foulest of bloggers because you are posting here too. Ruth has a right to say what she will.

Anonymous said...

TO MIB:

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take this dialog with Ruth to the email address she gave you. If you want to pursue this "information" she is giving you, more power to you. She is obviously unbalanced and although I am deeply sorry for her and horrified about what she has gone through in her life, it does not excuse you from encouraging her ramblings on this forum. If you chase these things she is telling you, you will find that you are chasing cloud shadows. She needs medication and help, not encouragement in her hallucinations. GOOD GRIEF!!

Anonymous said...

Or at least, Mr. Blog Admin, please open a thread for Ruth: About Ruth, by Ruth and to Ruth. Then the rest of us can continue our conversations without having to scroll through her endless diatribes and soliloquies.

Anonymous said...

she lives in her reality for a reason. Maybe your affraid to face your own truths.
She has a right to post here if she chooses. If it makes you squeemish then face your own deamons.

Anonymous said...

OK. I promise to face my own "demons" if you promise to confront a dictionary sometime soon. My point is not that she shouldn't have an outlet or even whether I agree or disagree. The point is that she rambles on and on and the rules are to keep it short. At least if she had her own thread, those of us not interested in enduring her view of reality could avoid that thread, where we had some pretty good conversations going on this one before she came along and started singing solo. Ya know what I mean? Now, if you want to hear about all those things that she says, go to her thread and drink up!

Anonymous said...

I for one am grateful for Ruth's postings here. She offers a look into this culture that is absolutely chilling, and extremely enlightening. Yes, I understand she is disturbed, and that one must understand Ruth's comments within the context of her condition. But that makes what she has to say no less disturbing. I suspect there is a lot more truth to Ruth's remarks than many of the other comments made my more stable personalities.

Anonymous said...

There are longer posts than hers.
Use the scroll bar if you cannot handle a reality not custom fit to your own wants..
Her post is hard to follow at times. I know there are allot of inaccuracies but there is also an actual basis for many of the things she said.
We cannot all be perfect. If your going to criticize me for misspelling a couple words then you are control freak. You understood the word so get over yourself.

Anonymous said...

Well the points of some here are well taken, but what Ruth says does matter. This is a 10,000 piece jig saw puzzle and my guess is that I have more pieces than some, less than others.

I met Ruth in person on March 3rd and while I can not recall all of her story, there is enough truth between the lines to piece together a truth that not all here have the patience to find.

My perspective comes from being the state rep. of FOR KIDS SAKE, which addresses child abuse prevention. I did not exist as this when Ruth was being abused, still I for one value her opinions, no matter how hard they are to understand.

For El Dorado Texas you can curse me for inviting the media circus last year. While the party belonged to Flora, Buster & Linda, it was my job to invite the guests. The Ross Chatwin Press conference on January 23rd of 2004 I engineered alone. Even the March 3rd Town Hall meeting in St. George had my finger prints on it.

In order to be advanced informed ahead of the press, enough so that the press is inquiring, requires a good activist to listen to all parties. I would speculate that Winston in Canada does not agree with me often, but we leave the lines of communications open. For whatever common ground was gained, the communication was not lost or undervalued.

You're right about moving it to a string or thread of its own, but I might speculate that more journalist who follow this site will still follow Ruth's thread. Her email or the one I have, she has not respond to. Since she literally walks between Colorado City and Hurricane Utah, we should just once walk that path in her shoes. When was the last time you walked 25 miles?

This said, I will take this to the new thread.

MIB

Anonymous said...

To MIB 7:03 PM:

So that's what your job is; "a party" involving media circus's . . .

Men In Black said...

To put a spotlight on abuse.

When I tried to help a mother who wanted her daughter back in August of 2000, the Washington County sheriff, Mohave County sheriff and Colorado City police ignored the mothers criminal complaint. Thank goodness we had the press or media we have today.

Do you really think the Utah Attorney General M.S. or Arizon'a AG in T.G. would be as involved as they are had the press not crusaded the cause?

At the Town Hall meeting I apologized to the Utah AG for all the exposure and he said, progress would not of been made without the pushing.

If its not progress, are you thinking we should allow the Jack Cookes of this world or the Dan Barlow juniors to get away with what they have already?

My job is to expose corruption, child abuse is only one of many issues I address. If it became a circus, then so be it. Thanks to Warren January 2004 he did more to spotlight the problems in one month, than what I had done for 4 years.

MIB

Anonymous said...

Warren said...
The Lord of flies spake unto his Prophet Warren Jeffs saying, "Tell everyone that I am a KKK wannabe, that I really want to wear white sheets with pointed hood, I want to burn crosses in the night.
Then the lord of flies spake unto me saying, "Warn Warren that if he continueth posting upon this blog that I will sendeth porky pig, daffy duck, and mickey mouse to smite him."
Thus sayeth the Lord of flies.

ROFLMAO

Anonymous said...

And as you ask, so shall it be!
You shall have your flies.
Be careful little ones what you ask God for. He will give it to you.

Anonymous said...

Warren, go work on another one of your racist brain-washing messages or dream up another false prophesy.

ps: with all that false-prophesying and procreating, how does one have time to blog,???

Anonymous said...

And as you ask, so shall it be!
You shall have your flies.
Be careful little ones what you ask God for. He will give it to you.

1:30 AM
Yes God has given Warren the gift of flies, those that buzz, those that bite. Yes Warren Jeffs has become the boil on the butt of humanity(Yep that attracts um, the flies that is.)

Here in Texas we have all the flies to make Warren happy, stable flies, screw flies(Warren's favorites), stable flies, face flies, and Texas sized horse flies.

Buzz Buzz LMAO in Texas!

Anonymous said...

Thus saith the Lord unto my slothful and disobedient servant Warren:

Behold thy works are before me and cannot be hidden; the cup of mine wrath is full and vengence will soon fall upon thee as a thief in the night.

The sword of mine indignation is unsheathed and the destroying angel of visitation is waiting to carry out my will.

Thy prophecies and thy sayings have fallen to the ground unfulfilled. All of thy doings are evil and not after the teachings and pattern of mine Only Begotten, who is full of grace and truth.

Thou hast forsaken thine inheritance and the words of mine true apostles who hath gone before thee; thou hast dishonored them and their works of righteousness. Thou hast listened to the voice of that evil one who was a liar from the beginning; and who hast inclined thine ear to do evil all the day long.

Verily, verily I say unto thee; the bowells of hell are opened wide to receive thee, and thy master, satan, listeth to bind thee forever with his awful chains. The tormentor's of thine own evil doings shall haunt thee with the unquenchable fire of thine own guilt.

Verily, Thus saith the Lord unto Warren Steed Jeffs; you have been weighed in the balance and have been found wanting. The day and hour of thy grace is past, for I the Lord have spoken it, and I excuse not myself, even so, Amen.

Anonymous said...

To 1:06 pm: Hey, don't go "Warren" on us!

Just Me

Anonymous said...

To the 1:06 pm,prophet; The Lords vengeance is not coming as a thief in the night upon Warren.I would say to Warren it must look more like a Tsunami in broad daylight.

onthestreet said...

redraider said...
What's next? Everyone goes home, goes to bed and then one of God's most amazing miracles occurs...

The sun rises again.

4/6/2005 5:29 PM

Street's Reply: There you have it. That's it. Proof of a merciful God, and a merciful representation upon the earth. He never predicted the blowing up of a planet, the fierce Pulitzer-seeking media did, and the activists active in fantacy and hate. Yet, the rising of the sun again in your face, and the continued silence of his prophet, is an activist God active in reality and love. If the babbling world is spared more days to realize the truth and to catch a glimpse of his light, why mock him?

Anonymous said...

To onthestreet 1:08 PM:

It should be quite obvious streatheart, profit Warren is mocked simply because he is so remockable . . .

onthestreet said...

Why thank you for your kind suggestion regarding myself as a sweatheart, and further suggesting him as remarkable. So it is. Yes, he is mocked, simply because he is remarkable, even peculiar.

"My people shall be a peculiar people," saith the Lord.

Yes, your Lord has been mocked more than any living being. Does that make him wrong, and the world right? Obviously, you are smarter than that. You speak well if dignitaries, even if they are hated. Satan hates God's elect. If you are so fortunate to be among that class, you are fortunate indeed.

Anonymous said...

So now you're comparing Warren Jeffs to Jesus?

At least we know where you're coming from.

onthestreet said...

YESSSSS! That's it! The most Christ-like man now living. THAT, my little knick-knat is where I am coming from. How bout myself, being Christ-like, calling a man a knat. Well, considering that Christ called you dogs and dung, the little knat on his back seems rather generous.

You will find, fokes, that the most righteous men on the earth are the most strict. That's what got them banned, for the truth cuts into them so deeply. They are not wimps, wimping around with the word of God. They quote it freely, and try to live it fully. Ah, now that will really get a you banned. What greater joy than to be banned eternally (from darkness).

sword drill said...

Onthestreet,

"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on Him and receive eternal life."

I Timothy 1:13-16