Saturday, May 06, 2006

Why do the FLDS NOT want to leave the USA?

Many blogers ask why warren doesn't just pack up and leave the United States if he wants to rule like a tyrant.

Here are a few thoughts on the issue.

25 comments:

rumor-has-it said...

If you look at it the FLDS Culture, "hates" that which makes it possible for them to live.

It is called Parasitic Thinking. The parasite actually thinks he is in charge. But really when the host is tired, the parasite gets flushed.

* Women are less than
* If you are not for me, you are against me.
* The states are against us
* The Government is against us
* The cops are against us
* The apostates are against us
* The court system is against us
* We are the chosen few
* We are the light on the hill
* The man is always right
* Women's opinions don't count

This list isn't necessarily preached from the pulpit, they just act that way.

Anonymous said...

Well Warren Jeffs is a parasite as the previous poster mentioned. It's going to get harder for the felonious profit to travel around USA to his various hideouts. Tonight on "Americas Most Wanted" Warren Jeffs is the featured crook.
Watch show tonight. May 6, 2006
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=33750

Warren might be well advised to leave USA, the heat's being turned up. Maybe the felonious profit wants to wait till he's on the 10 most wanted list with Osama bin Laden, who is also a polygamist. Ole Warren has Osama beat on number of wives, Osama only has 4 plural wives. ;)

Anonymous said...

If FLDS is a truly religious in nature, then why is there a need for a guard house outside the compound? Why is there a need for Warren Jeff's to be hiding? If he truly believes he is correct, then there should be no need to hide from the public. What he should do is attempt to gain the publics trust and interest in his group, by promoting it to everyone, including the government. If this means that he needs to go to jail, then so be it, he will be going to jail baised on his true belief system, and there is nothing wrong with that. If one truly thinks that they are correct, then they should be willing to sacrafice everything they have for it. The fact that he is hiding, proves to me that he is a coward, who is brainwashing people. Bin Laden is the same way, nothing but a coward. If he is true, he will come out and face whatever is handed to him.

Jax said...

On that note, I saw an article by Mr. Ben Winslow in the Des News.

The link ishere

It says at the bottom that Wendell Nielson "May also be in Europe or out of North America". Any details on that one?

Anonymous said...

i'm thinking of the Statue of Liberty
She stands strong and proud
holds the torch of freedom high in the air
She represents everything good about this country
and what we stand for

the preaching of joseph smith defies Her
uses the name of the Lord to spit in Her face

whether they choose to stay or leave
doesn't really matter
they don't belong

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

Sounds like its a good time for a road trip! Spring is in the air, fuel a little high, but a doubled reward might offset that cost.

El Dorado, beware of tourist with rental cars or California or Arizona license plates.

Bounty Hunter 2

Anonymous said...

If WJ is demanding special gifts in the amount of $1000.00 /mo. above the tithe, as was reported on "America's Most Wanted" last night, and he receives this kind of funding from his followers, that equates to his personal monthly income of $1,000,000.00 or one million dollars per month, X 12 mo/per. year = $12,000,000.00/yr.! He receives this from his people because he has taught them to fear him and his power.

Has a single one of his prophesys come true? If not, don't you think it's time to question his authority?

If one of his beloved saints turn him in, they will save $1,000.00 a month from being Jeffs' lap dog plus receive $1,000.00 in additional cash for each of the next 100 months or, $1,000.00 a month for the next eight years and four months. The total of the income from the reward and savings would be $200,000.00!

A Saint on the Lookout

Anonymous said...

If they don't want to to leave the USA why are they in Canada in Mexico; that's a part of North America is that what you mean? I thought North america was supoosed to be Zion. I could be wrong.

Anonymous said...

Oh No you don't!!Missouri already
has its own polygamy problem.
We dont need any of WSJ's lunatic
fringe FLDS!Let them stay in Texas,Arizona,Nevada,Canada,or Mexico.We don't want them here.

Anonymous said...

If you think thats one of their bigger problems you've got another thing coming. They need to reconcile with God their extermination and abuse of the innocent Mormons. Absolutely ungodly what the state of Missouri did to the Mormons.

ATAR_i said...

Was it the state of Missouri, or ordinary citizens.

I don't know any of the history in Missouri - so that is an honest question - not an attempt to make a point.

Anonymous said...

That's the same reason that they left Nauvoo, Ill. A local editor printed something that Joe Smith didn't approve of so he and his cronies wrecked the newspaper office. He, his brother and Taylor were taken into protective custody and placed in the local jail at Carthage, Ill., but a number of people from the area were tired of Smith's Holier-Than-Thou attitude, found out where the three (or four) men were being held and raided the jailhouse. Smith's brother was wounded as was Taylor. Joseph Smith, armed with a pistol opened fire upon those who entered the cell, fire was returned and Smith fell to his death from a second story window after having cried out a 'Masonic' Call for help. Why would someone who was supposed to be in custody have in his possession a side-arm?

Do you think WJ wants to build a martyrs reputation? I don't think he has the intestinal fortitude (that's guts) to those of us in rural areas, to turn himself in and stand trial. He's a wimp who has built himself a kingdom within a democracy. The two don't mix too well.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Innocent Mormons burning Gallatin? They got justice served. Besides, in a court of law, am I responsible if my Great Grandfather did a crime?

Anonymous said...

Faithfull Are you yourself not a Mormon?

Anonymous said...

Joseph Smith was a con man who was counterfeiting money and ripping off the good citizens of non-Mormon faith.

The non-Mormons took it upon themselves to instill frontier law and arrest Joseph Smith.

Good question asked above - Why would JS have a weapon in jail?

A con man died.

Another polygamist con man may soon follow suit and be arrested for the crimes he has committed.

This will cause a new Mormon polygamist martyr to evolve.

I don't think Warren will become as famous, however

Anonymous said...

5/9/06 12:56PM

One of the history books I read said that Smith and his cronies were given protective custody by the Governor of Illinois. The question of the weapon in the jailhouse still causes questions.

Personally, I wouldn't care if the citizens had captured the guy and hung him from the nearest "sour apple tree", good ridance only a trifle late to protect all those people who still hang on to his "scripture" as being super- biblical and his D&C 132 superlative to scripture.

WJ and his followers wouldn't be outcasts had it not been for their blind obedience to Smith's adulterous behavior.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Hey 5/9/06 2:59

Go seek the truth FOR A CHANGE.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Joseph Smith shot first and killed a man.

It's about time some truth be shed on Smith behavior.

Anonymous said...

I doesn't matter what people say that Joseph Smith did or did not do. I believe he had alot more answers than those who just "Believe in Jesus" and don't follow Jesus's teachings, just like those who say they are "Mormons" and don't believe in the teachings.

Kindness begins with me.

Live your religion every day, let others live their religion and stop saying that all FLDS are just like Warren Jeffs. They are NOT. They just like the idea that he can promise them eternal salvation. That doesn't mean they are BAD.
When they wake up, just like the rest of us did. They will be sooo happy they are living is the good ol' USA. If they were living somewhere else...anyone that had a different idea would be dead.

God Bless America
God Bless Warren Jeffs
God Bless Us All

now what is that scripture about praying for your enemies and something about accepting their repentance?

ATAR_i said...

Dear Faithful

It's people like you who have changed my mind about polygamy. (Don't worry, I'm not running out to get another husband)

But I'm serious. The first time I heard about FLDS it was the multiple wives that was the most salacious part.

I realized over time, that my objections to it were largely cultural, and not religious.

It did make me realize the things that aren't cultural, but are concerning - the things you mention faithful - child molestation, abuse, lack of education, etc etc.

These types of don't just happen to FLDS, they just happen to people. In the case of FLDS, these behaviors are not only supported by the authorities, but perpetrated by the authorities - which makes it especially disturbing and is one of the reasons that the situation has escalated to the level it has.

So thanks Faithful!

Anonymous said...

If he were "messiah" you would have a valid argument BUT, he is NOT. He is a fugitive from justice on substantuated warrents issued from Arizona, Utah all based upon child abuse and upon two Federal Warrants due to his subsequent flight to avoid prosecution. HE IS A FUGITIVE. HE BECAME A FUGITIVE BECAUSE HE BELIEVES HIMSELF ABOVE LAW. HE IS A COWARD OR HE WOULD TURN HIMSELF IN, FACE HIS ACCUSERS AND DISPROVE THE CHARGES IN A COURT OF LAW.

JESUS FACED HIS ACCUSERS, HE OFFERED NO DEFENSE, HE WAS CHARGED BY AN ILLEGAL COURT, MEETING AT AN ILLEGAL TIME, WITHOUT A QUORUM (REQUIRED BY THEIR OWN LAW) BEING PRESENT. TWO WITNESSES TESTIFIED AGAINST HIM. THEIR TESTIMONY DID NOT AGREE UPON RELEVANT ISSUES. PILATE THOUGHT HIM INNOCENT, BUT BECAUSE OF POLITICAL PRESSURE HE GAVE IN TO THE JEWISH LEADERSHIP AND HANDED HIM OVER TO BE CRUCIFIED. WARREN JEFFS IS NO JESUS. HE'LL STAY IN HIDING JUST AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. HE WON'T FACE HIS ACCUSERS. IF HE IS CAUGHT MY BET IS THAT YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN SEE SUCH A CRY-BABY TRY TO BLAME ALL HIS PROBLEMS ON SOMEONE ELSE. HE'S NOT EVEN A MAN.

YOU ots ARE JUST A SILLY WIMP, A BRAGGARD, AND A DELUSIONAL MISFIT.

rcn

ATAR_i said...

I hate how every time someone mentions warren schtuping some poor, scared, young student in the bathroom you mention abortion.

We're not talking about abortion now - try to stay on topic - we're talking about warrens appetite for young boys and girls.

Anonymous said...

Hey wimp,

Go back and read the second paragraph of my previous post.

Jesus was not a Zealot, he was not an insurrectionist, he broke no law except those of the ruling priesthood, they themselves were illegal, not being in the decendency of Aaron. These guys were political apointees who owed ther allegance to the House of Herod for their position.

Jesus was the Lamb of God. Take your Gnosticism and bark up another tree.

rcn

ATAR_i said...

OTS - we've already been over this. I've spent years on the abortion picket lines defending young lives (you talk about it - but never actually do anything about it).

So - I've DONE MORE against abortion - but you wag your tongue but DO NOTHING.

But no matter what - you can't defend warren schtuping boys - so you bring up abortion.

We know you struggle with homosexuality - and so you hate the topic - FINE - just stay out of the discussion.

ATAR_i said...

You have never done a thing to prevent abortion.

Having sex is not the same thing as actively taking a stand against abortion. It's not even in the ballpark.

You suck at logic.