Tuesday, April 11, 2006

A New Martyr For Zion

Jim Allred was arrested last week and is being held in the Purgatory correctional facility. His family expects he will be there for up to 18 months.
He was arrested when he got back from being supoena'd to testify in Colorado at the Steed and Jeffs boys' trial.

67 comments:

fttc said...

Does anyone know the charges he is being held under? I am aware that he was not cooperative in his subpoena. Was that the reason?

Faithful Woman said...

Could he get 18 months for contempt of court?

fundy said...

Martyr or just another warren fool.

Anonymous said...

There is no greater honor upon this earth then to serve for our Lord......Jail is but a moment. Time is eternity.

Anonymous said...

And in those days they stoned the Prophets and persicuted the saints..........And it is written, that they did cry unto the Lord, "Oh that we had repented in the day of our probation, that our fair sons and our fair daughters might have been spared." and there shall be wheeping and wailing and nashing of teeth.......

I also was confined for loving Uncle Warren. I have no regrets.....I love him now, i loved him then........And all men only live a little time, then they are walking in the other world, and all that can be taken with a person is your deeds........evil will spring upon evil. and all good doeth bring good.......

Anonymous said...

And this government of Utah and Arizoina are vagobonds and Tyrants, with only evil upon their hands.......

And in the book of Corahore, it is written, that the devil never upholds his own........

jail is but a moment upon eternity and you can only take your memory...... Liars are liars still and it is written, god has a place prepared for all liars and vagabonds........a place prepared where they can hurt no longer......... and the faithful are raised in great glory.....

fttc said...

So Jim will endure a moment of jail here, and the memory of his lies for eternity? Not a pleasant picture.

Anonymous said...

and what do you have to offer for your exisitance upon this earth? would you betray your friends? would you trade the greatest gifts of God for a little glory? would you trade the gifts of God for your little green paper, that feeds no one, nor does it comfort in the hour of death? ask yourself Jay Beswick, if you was at this moment going to meet your God, what would you have to show for your life? Or would you shrink in shame?........I have no regrets...They spread lies about our Prophet. They spread lies about the inacent. They and you have exploited girls? They have ignored the cries of the oppressed and persicuted the inacent. And what have you also to account.....Do not tell me. I am not the Great God in the heavens, but to him I pray. To him i worship and there is no greater Honor than to walk for Warren Jeffs......There is no greater honor than to die for him.....Let this government take it into account, I did not die in there hell. There place of confinement...... and there is no greater Tyranny upon the land than Utah and Arizonia law.......

Faithful Woman said...

Like I said, a real martyr for the warrenites.

Faithful Woman said...

Oh how funny!

"the devil never upholds his own"

She condemns her idol profit in her own attempt to praise him.

There should be no shame in the truth.

Anonymous said...

There is no evidence of a James (Jim) Allred being booked in the Washington County Correctional Facility (for the past 10 days) according to the WCSO's website. Untill proof of this is shown...it is just a rumor.

Anonymous said...

and faithful, i would watch your toung a bit; rumors are hard to compete with........ lies are hard to combat with. Lies are hard to swallow. and you are the one who has to live with it.....can you say also, faithful that you are with out fault.....Then it would do well to look in the mirror also...... lest you be found wanting when you walk into the next life.......and as to think that any one has the power to condemn another that also is laughable.....your own deeds do condemn you......none other.... your deeds.....and we all have repentance to do.........and would i turn from my lord, for your idle gossip? You must think me more a fool than i thought.........

fundy said...
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Anonymous said...

No, those posts are Ruth's.

Anonymous said...

it is written in the bible thus;

St. Mathew verse twelve chapter 40;

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of hte earth.
41....The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42.....The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, a greater than Solomon is here............

Why not put a bounty out on King James too.......and look for him a bit.....

Anonymous said...

chapter twelve verse forty...



chapter fifteen verse 11;
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

and any of you can open the rest of the book... chapter 16 verse 9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of hte wee, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene out of whom heahad cast seven-devils.....
chapter sixteen in Luke, verse 14 afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat and upbraided them with thir unbelief and hardness of heart, because they belieed not them which had seen him after he was risen......

and who so of you are willing to go the full measure of the law of Christ?

time destiny said...

It seems to me that this Anominous person is a stout follower of Warrens, and from what I have read, is nothing but proverbs, and bible tongue. You may have God as your witness to what you are saying, but let me tell you something; I am my own witness, and I can say that all that Warren is saying is untrue. Down to the last syllable. You may try to defend him if you will, but I will tell you for sure that I have seen proof that he is a lier. He told the people that his Father, Rulon Jeffs was never going to die. Well he sure did, didn't he. He told the people that His father was still alive, and yet he is in the ground. I believe his father is still alive, but he has moved on to a different life, I mean, why would he hang around here? All I am hearing from the people of Colorado City is crap. You have no truths to base your oppinions on, so if you are going to talk about it, make sure you understand both sides of the barrel, or else you will be talking only from belief, without understanding.

Anonymous said...

I just wish that 12:59 & 3:30 would buy a dictionary and learn to spell a few words at fourth grade level.

If WJ is cornered, AFTER all his protection has been destroyed he, like the coward he is, and has repeatedly shown himself to be will do everything within his power to become a martyr. I hope his intentions are foiled and he has to face his accusers. That is the only way justice can be served in behalf of the innocents he has wronged. I don't wish death for him, I want him to serve time. A long time.

rcn

Anonymous said...

fundy said...
OTS is logging in as anonymous, just as well come clean OTS its the same speal

4/11/2006 1:42 PM


FUNDY YOU CRACK ME UP! THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!

fundy said...

WJ a martyr , right, look at the little weisel, wimpy cry baby. He will go without any trouble.

Anonymous said...

Reply to Anon 4/11/2006 11:52 AM

Faithful is not lying, she just got the name of the prisons confused. There is a HUGE difference between confusion and lying.

Regardless, James (Jim) Allred - and MICAH BARLOW - are being held in jail. The location is the Central Arizona Detention Center in Florence, AZ instead of Purgatory Correctional Facility in Hurricane, UT.

This would be an innocent mistake for someone in CC to make because USUALLY when someone is taken to jail in the CC area, they are taken to Purgatory.

Jim Allred and Micah Barlow are in jail, that's all that matters !!!

So, apologize to Faithful for acting like such an arrogantly righteous litte twit.

fundytoo said...

the new anon is actually Ruth, not OTS in disguise anyone who's been here awhile knows that. Welcome back Ruth, I love how you get in John Quinones's face when he shows up in CC, would that we all had your gumption.

Chris

Anonymous said...

If Warren was really a prophet instead of a profit and if he really had a seer stone instead of a laptop and cell phone then he would know who the people right under his nose are that leak information left and right. He would know the people that are leaking information and getting all his helpers gone so they can move up in authority. FLDS, you need to "prey for your holey profit" he needs some help, he can cut everyone off around him, but he can't find the damn imposters right under his nose, that are doing the most damage to his group.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
There is no greater honor upon this earth then to serve for our Lord......Jail is but a moment. Time is eternity.

4/11/2006 8:48 AM

Sounds like someone is confused! Do we need to exchange Warren with "Lord", "Christ", "God" etc. ??? Serving a devil has been elevated to a god like endevor. A man hiding in a "Rat Hole" with his faithful lying to authorities, is hardly a saint like action for either party.

mugwump said...

A very good and timely observation.

Jeffs scarcity certainly diminishes his likelihood as being generally acceptable as any form of the Deity or as any of His representatives on our planet.

He has a much better education than Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdrey or even the compiler of the book of Mormon, which was based upon an historic novel written by Rev. Solomon Spalding, stolen, agumented, plagiarised and counterfeited by one Sidney Rigdon. Proof beyond doubt is documented, footnoted, cross referenced, witnessed and sworn to under deposition by dozens of witnesses.

Jeffs is smarter than they were. Why doesn't he buy a copy of "Who Really Wrote The Book of Mormon?", the Spalding Enigma by Wayne Cowdrey, Howard Davis and Arthur Vanick. The book, published by Concordia Publishing House, St. Louis, Copyright 2005 by Messers. Cowdrey, Davis & Vanick. Jeffs has not YET been caught. He still can learn the truth and free his people from the burden he has placed upon theis shoulders.

Anyone capable of rational thought will be amazed at the careful attention to detail, to places, dates and witnesses names and verification of the facts and people who left an historic trail of documentation as to the deceit being exacted upon all Mormons by their priesthood.

Buy a copy, read it, discuss it with others who question the authority of those who dictate to those of you so unfortunate as to have been among the early pioneers to Utah via Golden Bible Hill, Kirkland, Independence, and Nauvoo.

This is a scholarly work. It however is written in a style and using language that is easily understood by all who take the time to read, check out the footnotes and cross references.

I won't defend my position or my having revealed this book upon this blog. The book defends itself. You may still draw into your cocoon and deny facts as presented, but the truth conserning the myth of Joseph Smith has been made public.

fundytoo said...

riiiiiiiight. what was that you said?

Chris
(nestled safely in his cocoon)

onthestreet said...

time destiny said (4/11/2006 5:12 PM):

I can say that all that Warren is saying is untrue. Down to the last syllable. You may try to defend him if you will, but I will tell you for sure that I have seen proof that he is a lier. He told the people that his Father, Rulon Jeffs was never going to die. Well he sure did, didn't he. He told the people that His father was still alive, and yet he is in the ground. I believe his father is still alive, but he has moved on to a different life, I mean, why would he hang around here? All I am hearing from the people of Colorado City is crap. You have no truths to base your oppinions on, so if you are going to talk about it, make sure you understand both sides of the barrel, or else you will be talking only from belief, without understanding.



STREET’S Reply: A church is a spiritual entity and deals on spiritual terms, and a true church more so. Christ died, yet he did not. He “passed” from mortality to immortality in a mere three days, the twinkling of an eye, and said that his faithful would to the same. Therefore, if a man is faithful and passes, he never dies. Therefore, this being the case, the “liar” Warren Jeffs turns out to be true-blue, right on the money, The Prophet Rulon Jeffs will NOT die, but will live 320 years into the Millenium, precisely as prophecied, and you being an unbeliever of these things is where the CRAP lies, and have no truths to base your opinions on. “Talking from belief”, as you put it, is far better than UNBELIEF, which depletes both your time and your destiny.

onthestreet said...

mugwump said...
A very good and timely observation.

Jeffs scarcity certainly diminishes his likelihood as being generally acceptable as any form of the Deity or as any of His representatives on our planet.


STREET's Reply:

Ahh, my mugswamp. Is scarcity the mark of evil, and proof that one is not righteous?

John 8:

56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."

57 The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"

58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but JESUS HID HIMSELF, and went out of the temple.

Anonymous said...

Which of your multiple personalities is on line today street? It seems as if you only use anything Jesus said or did as to attempt to cover the obvious meaning of the scripture in CONTEXT.

There are several instances in the life of Jesus when He either confronted or was confronted by the relifious leaders of the day.
On several of these instances these leaders were so infuriated by Jesus wisdom and ability to take instantanious command of the situation that they made movement toward Him in a rage to do Him physical harm.

Jesus, Son of God could have called fire down from Heaven upon them and destroyed them on the spot to save His own life. Jesus, however, having come to earth to redeem lost souls, used the same abilities as He used when He cured the sick, changed water into wine, raised the dead, walked on water and calmed the sea. He had made his point. That was his intent.

He knew that eventually he would give himself over to them to be crucified but "his hour had not yet come." Therefore, He passed through their midst or made himself invisible to their sight. He had no fear of them.

Unlike Warren Jeffs he didn't go "on the run" or go "into hiding" to protect himself. He just went on with his ministry until his time had ben fulfilled, his ministry complete, his diciples trained, though imperfectly.

Only upon Peter, John and the others having seen Jesus death, came to fuly understand who He was. What would His death be that was so unique? PEOPLE die every day. But, death could not hold him. He arose from the grave, conquering death for all time and eternity. This was made clear at His resurrection. He first appeared to Mary of Magdala, He appeared on the road to Emmaus, in the upper room, on the sea shore, and upon the Mt. of Olives.

The Jesus the diciples saw die was now alive. Through His victory over death they now had a hope of eternal life.

Since you refuse to surrender to the fact that Jesus is God and that without Him YOU have no hope, why continue to take His name in vain in these blogs? You don't believe? That's your choice.

A legitimate child of The King

onthestreet said...

The prophets of God have not all the powers of the Redeemer of the World. As you can read it yourself, the Apostles HID THEMSELVES after the Crucifiction, until after they were endowed from on high. Even then, they did their work but were crucified like your Redeemer, and this Prophet is doing a fine work. The whole world is witness.

Your presumption in labeling yourself the "Legitimate Child of The King" exposes your hypocricy, suggesting that your are He, and no one else.

onthestreet said...

Then you demand people to surrender themselves to the very idea of your lie, that Jesus is God, when Jesus Himself proclaimed his status as THE SON OF GOD, and directed us to pray unto God the Father, after this manner...

You only deceive yourself.

Anonymous said...

Do you admit that Jesus is the Son of God?

A LEGITIMATE "Child of the KING"

Anonymous said...

No Funny Fundy, Fundydoo, or dear Streety cannot keep their thoughts or lies straight.

A true Warrenite!

John 8:

56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."

57 The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"

58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM."

Street you forgot to capitolize "I AM."

mugwump said...

I can't help myself, Annon. 9:24, capitalize please. To capitolize could only happen to a geographical location. The Capitol of Texas is located in Austin. Capitol usually refers to the building where legislators reguarly meet.

The word capital is used in reference to punishment, (example): capital punishment or a death penalty, a letter of the alphabet being changed from lower to upper case or the decorative portion of a pillar adjacent to the top of the building.

onthestreet said...

Straining at a gnat.

mugwump said...

Observe All:

The POT calling the KETTLE Black. The joke is out of hiding again.

onthestreet said...

Observe All, hear ye, hear ye, see the muggy swamp boil under the pot. What are you, Yellowstone?

onthestreet said...

I guess if you still have Wintery conditions, it would be yellowsnow. Make sure you know which way the wind's blowing.

Anonymous said...

NO FAITH, NO GRACE, NOT REALLY ANY WORKS (OF VALUE). What's he to bring to judgement? A mouth? Do you think the Lord will be impressed?

onthestreet said...

Well, we all know that in every generation, He certainly is impressed with his mouthpiece on earth, the mouthpiece of God, and I am NOT the man.

Anonymous said...

Is the ability of God limited to just one spokesman? If so, why were there twelve apostles? Judas was replaced by Matthias? Acts 1:23

Paul, who stood in opposition to the early church was struck blind on the Road to Damascus, by the Spirit of Jesus, who identified Himself by name, sent to the house of one Ananias who, after three days restored his sight. (Acts 9: 3-16) Also we have recorded the witness of at least two of the seven deacons, Stephen and Philip. So, if all these are equipped as spokesmen for the Word, then in this brief period of time at least twenty men are set aside for the purpose.

Do you limit God to only one spokesman now? You do not know nor have you had the opportunity to hear a variety of men called of God to preach his word. I will not be so foolish as to say that God, in his knowledge and wisdom cannot use men who may preach the word under different banners we call denominations, but the message is the same yesterday, today and forever.

onthestreet said...

One Peter, yet others under him, yes? Even today, there are many FLDS High Priests, but one Prophet. How could it be otherwise, but one head. If you have two heads, what are you? A monster. Warren is one head.

In any orderly family, there is one head. In any city, one mayor. In any state, one governor. In any dispensation, one paraclete. In any world, one god.

No, God is not limited, He's just orderly, and smart. He can speak through one man, and thus maintain perfect order, after the order of Himself, which is one God. Many can receive inspiration and revelation, but it is not dispensed willy-nilly. Perfect order and perfect authority are maintained.

The scriptures speak of ONE CHURCH, and ONE GOSPEL, not many. That is the devil's system that you're talking about, the father of confusion.

Anonymous said...

You may believe that if you want. Peter of all the apostles seemed to have a great case of blunderitis, or hoof & mouth disease. The church was not built upon the man Peter he who denied Jesus three times, but upon this truth spoke by Peter concerning the identity of Jesus.
"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God." (Matt. 16:16) Peter's post resurection works are mainly centered around the Church in Jerusalem not in mission outreach. James, the half-brother of Jesus was the pastor of even that church, it wasn't Peter. Peter was the one who learned lessons the hard way. It was he who was commanded to visit with Cornelius in Acts 10.
It was he who was taught by that experience that those things God declared as clean were clean, it was not Peter's decision that decided their condition. Yes, Peter preached the magnificant sermon In Acts Chapt.2. His works were identified as important in the early leadership of the church. It was individuals who happened to be in Jerusalem on that pentecost, who heard the word of truth in their own language, took it home and shared it with their friends and family. Nearly everywhere Paul went he encountered those of "The Way" or individuals or groups who had heard of the fulfillment of prophesy concerning Messiah. Paul, in turn, because of his great knowledge of Old Testament Law and Prophets and having heard the personal testemony of individuals who had spent time in Jesus presence, could share the Good News (Gospel) with the world.
With the exception of the Gospels, Acts, the letters of James, John, Peter, and Jude, Hebrews and Revelation, the balance of the scripture that forms the New Testament was penned by Paul's hand.

Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, is the Person upon whom the Church is built, not a single individual human being. Did Peter preach "Peter" on Pentacost? No, he preached Jesus Christ, crucified and arisen. That is the whole of the gospel. Did James, John, Jude or any other spokesman for the church preach the Diety of Peter, no they preach Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

So, if there is only one prophet that speaks for God, which of the 5000 cults in America claiming their leader is the one prophet that speaks for God is the correct spokesman?

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:00

If you are addressing me (10:42 AM)
God has spoken for himself in the person of Jesus Christ. No additional prophet is necessary.

Messengers of the Gospel, yes, Evangelists, yes, Teachers, yes, others, probably. But, the question comes to mind when one elevates himself above another in order of importance. The important thing is the message, not the messenger.

onthestreet said...

Matthew 16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

So it is with the chief apostle in every generation.

Anonymous said...

So you really believe that Peter was the first pope. Paul's ministry was for naught? Why? Because it reveals the fraud you are clinging to every day. You can't decide which side of the boat is being swamped. You have no idea of how to trim your sails or set your sea anchor. You are sinking and so power drunk you don't even know of your impending doom.

Peter was a man. Jesus is God in the flesh come to earth as redeemer. He completed His task, overcame death and the grave and returned to Heaven to sit at the Right Hand of God the Father. He sits there awaiting the day when the Father Says "It Is Done." Then He, Jesus, the Lamb of God will judge the quick and the dead.

Are you a sheep or a goat? Surely you know the answer to that. If not, it would be a good idea to try to find the answer, and quickly.

How does it feel to have all the qualifications of the Chief Apostate in any generation? You can answer that question better than anyone else on this blog. Experience is the best teacher.

Peace be still.

onthestreet said...

CHRIST SPEAKS THROUGH HIS ANOINTED:

Matthew 10

40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.

42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.



Luke 10

2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.

3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.



Romans 10

14 - How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Anonymous said...

Your posting are so inconsistant with your posts revelant to whom Jesus is. Just whom is speaking in the passages in Matthew and Luke?

Who is spoken of by Paul in Romans 10? Jesus The Christ, Son of the Living God.

If you don't believe he is what he declared himself to be, but an imposter you quotations bring fire and brimstone down upon your head. You quote as truth something you don't yourself believe. The only reason you quote is for sake of argument, not to state a testimony of belief in Jesus Christ, I AM, along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. ONE GOD, THREE PURPOSES: REDEEMER-SAVIOR-KING OF GLORY, OMNIPOTENT-OMNICIENT-OMNIPRESENT, COMFORTER-COMMUNICATOR-SPIRIT OF GOD.

Get it straight or quit quoting Jesus.

onthestreet said...

Would you like to try to get it more straight for people, before you again step and stumble and slobber all over yourself?

You are saying the Son of God has no father, for He is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, all wrapped up in one person.

But what does Christ Himself Say? Pray unto my Father thus... And when I am gone, the Holy Spirit shall come unto you. There you have three personages, a trinity. You deny the very trinity, and mock God, AND HIS SON. There are three in the "COUNCIL" of the Gods:

The Father
The Christ
The Holy Spirit.

Now, my poor child, go wipe yourself clean, and then you can come back to the table if you promise to wear your bib. We can't have confused and ignorant men slopping around and desecrating the Word Of God. I think most intelligences will agree with that.

mugwump said...

Is Jesus God?

mugwump said...

Is the Holy Spirt God?

mugwump said...

Is Jehovah, I AM THAT I AM GOD?

mugwump said...

Does Jesus tell his followers to baptize in the name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost?

Why?

mugwump said...

Who is GOD?

mugwump said...

Who is The Holy Spirit?

mugwump said...

Who is Jesus?

mugwump said...

Fellow blogers. I am asking STREET that each of these questions be answered independently, separately and a proof TEXT be supplied from the of the Holy Bible. Use a King James Version if you wish. Compare the regular version of KJ to the JS version and quote from both translations supplying the source of each quote (KJV Std. or KJV JSv.) No quotation from any other work by any prophet of LDS or FLDS will be considered as acceptable. What I am asking is an identification of core beliefs that are essential in understanding the nature of God, of Jesus, and of the Holy Spirit. The only acceptable source for an answer is the Holy Bible, nothing else.

STREET: ANSWER EACH QUESTION ON A SEPARATE ENTRY.

Daniel said...

anonymous said:
They have ignored the cries of the oppressed and persicuted the inacent. And what have you also to account.....Do not tell me.

The word is innocent, not "inacent." It's clear that you're about as poorly educated as all these unfortunate young boys you throw out into normal society for the rest of us to deal with. Young men who speak 18th century english and have no modern job skills to help them cope with everyday life in America.

The real world has had enough of your ignorant perveted reality, and soon you will pay for your backwards ways.

Faithful Woman said...

Awh Mugwump (cries in distress)
Did you have to invite Street to fill the blog with his cut and paste?

mugwump said...

Not really faithful,

My hope was to get him to give one "simple" answer to each question. That is a pretty "simple" request and he has shown that he is "simple" enough to complete it.

Warren surrounds himself with "simple" people because they are "simple" enough to take what he says, hook, line and sinker, as the "simple" truth. This amounts to "simple" obedience to a "simple" leader.

Faithful Woman said...

Oh, I see, that is simple.

mugwump said...

yes indeed, to lure a simpleton to reveal his "simplest" thoughts.

onthestreet said...

MUGGY WATERS (4/27/2006 11:52 AM):

If none other is acceptable, then are ye lost, for God speaks scripture to ALL men who will. The ancient scripture was spoken to ancients, and the modern to moderns. Yet do they agree. It is the same, for God never changes, and Who is God? Just as the scripture that you have requested states: “Our Father who art in heaven”, ONE GOD, one man, to rule over a jurisdiction such as this earth, and many gods to rule under him, over smaller jurisdictions. Thus is the faithful Priesthood father of a family, of a tribe, and a church, and a nation, gods many, just as your Christian Bible says it so clearly. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each have their jurisdiction. Once you understand jurisdictions, then the muggy becomes more clear.

Now, do you need the actual references, you little whipper-snapper, or do you have adequate concordances to guide you? Let me know.

There, I have answered everyone fully, who has ears to hear and a receptive heart, and WITHOUT muggying up the entire blog with “SEPARATE ENTRIES”, as you have so demanded in you muggy ways.

mugwump said...

I still await 'straight' answers to 'straight' SIMPLE questions, not evasive circumlocutions intended to confuse the issue. You say God is man. In other posts you have named him "Adam."

How did this "Adam" come into existence? Was it in the manner of all men? Who was his daddy?
I guess 'daddy' suffered an episode of lust in order to concieve "Adam."

onthestreet said...

Ahh, good. That is a good honest question, and deserves a good honest answer. Tis only when your waters are muggy and full of corruption, that you receive in kind, to match your nature and desire to remain confused, and to confuse. But when clarity finds a spot within you, there is room for the same.

The Word itself tells us how our original Father came to be reconstituted on this earth. After all, He being God, is eternal, having no beginning nor end. Yet, the Word tells us that THE LORD formed the man from the dust of the ground, the same as He himself was formed in the flesh, in Jerusalem, even though He is God, “the Father and the Son. He explains this in his scripture thus: I am the Father as pertaining to the spirit, but the Son as pertaining to the flesh. Now do you see it?

Adam prayed to Jehovah in the Garden, and even walked with Him. Who is Jehovah. Have you heard the term “Jehovah Christ”? He is the Christ, His Father in the spirit, but His Son in the flesh, Adam being Father and God (in both the spirit and the flesh), to us, but Jehovah is that man to Adam, and Elohim that man to Jehovah, see? It is a Patriarchal Priesthood, from father to son to son, the Trinity or Council of the Gods that rules eternity, Enoch, Christ, and Michael. All three of them became man upon this earth, to lead and show the way by example, by their very example, Enoch being the only man who ever lived to perfect the earth, the portion that He lived upon, and lifted up into heaven. When he returns, the Head God, then the entire earth will be perfected, at least in a Terrestrial sense, after the return of Christ his Son, and then Adam his Son, then Enoch, Zion. So yes, God is obviously a man, was and is. Are we not created in the image of God, and are we not man?

As for the conception of Adam, He is eternal. Yet, when He brough the woman to Him, your Bible says that “a deep sleep fell over Adam”. So it is not after the manner of fallen man or animal nature, that the Gods conceive, but after the manner of the Gods or divine nature. It is by thought or imagination, which draws forth the light or purpose from within Himself. Then “let there be a firmament”, or light conceived, the image of said imag-I-nation. In His bliss of contemplating the righteous, or imagining a holy people in this fluctuation, the power to create is born, for so they were in the beginning (a holy people).

Anonymous said...

Hi "street",
So this is your idea of a "straight" answer? Exactly what "scripture" are you using as a basis for your answer? In the Bible, God didn't "reconstitute" Himself, but rather made the first man, not God-man, and called him Adam. It also is wrong for you to state that Adam walked with God the Father and Jesus, as you have no idea with whom Adam walked, as he could have walked with all three persons of the trinity, not just two of them. Also, Jesus was born, just like any person, and He was born in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem. Jesus is Jesus, not Jehovah Christ, and Jesus, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit are all ONE GOD BUT THREE PERSONS. But then again, all of this is moot, as the Book of Mormon, based on over 30 years of research, is nothing more than the modified, plagiarized unpublished manuscript that was written by a man named Solomon Spalding, who wrote it to get himself out of debt and to hopefully provide a financial legacy for his family.