Thursday, April 13, 2006

Big Love: Romney, Bush & The Mormons

"I have to admit that as a Mormon, I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman - and a woman and a woman..."-- Mitt Romney at a political roast in Boston March 20

While Mitt's mother may have been an MGM film actress, Mitt's Y chromosome comes from his father, the late Michigan governor George W. Romney, who was born and raised in the Colonia Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico polygamy colony between the New Mexico and Texas borders. (One account cites his birthplace as nearby Colonia Dublan.) Ancestry of Mitt Romney

LDS celebrity Orrin Hatch, who also ran for the US presidency on the Republican ticket, has even entertained the FLDS polygamists in Hildale, playing the piano while assuring them that their lifestyle is okay with him. The long-time chairman and now ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee has never brought a serious session on polygamy to the committee during his many years in charge.

Parker is with the law firm of Snow, Christensen and Martineau, which also represents the State of Utah. Rodney Parker is also the registered agent of the FLDS Corporations and Twin City Academy, Inc. in Hildale; all the above in good standing in the State of Utah.

Parker previously served in Bush I's administration as Associate Deputy Attorney General "on the immediate staff" of the Deputy Attorney General of the US in Washington, D.C.

Harold G. Christensen, Counsel at Snow Christensen, served as Deputy Attorney General of the US in both Bush I's and Ronald Reagan's administration. Martineau's official biography reveals that he was born in the Colonia Juarez polygamy colony where Mitt Romney's father grew up.

Sounds like several mainstream Mormon's had ties to the Mexico colony??

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

Many polygamous families moved to the colonies in Mexico rather than give up their wives. They may have considered it less painful to leave the Church for a while than to separate from their wives. It must have been the hardest decision they ever had to make.

Many did eventually return to the States and/or the Church, but descendants of some of the families are still there.

Anonymous said...

That is a very impressive pedigree. He is a great-great grandson of Parley P. Pratt!

The dates and places on the pedigree look typical for families in the Colonias; arriving around 1890, leaving 10-20 years later, some staying up to 40 years.

Many prominent LDS families have some of the Colonias in their family trees.

Anonymous said...

Orrin Hatch included!

Anonymous said...

Me too!

But i don't qualify as prominent.

Anonymous said...

lets just put it this way; if you have been born in southern Utah and Northern Arizona, in the last hundrend years you are the decendants of Prominent Fundamental Mormon's who did believe and live Fundamental Mormon Doctrine.

Anonymous said...

and why you people hate your own heratage is totally beyond my comprehension. You seem to dislike Pioneers. You seem to dislike your heratage. You seem to dislike your birth right. faith is mocked. Believing in Angles is sneered at... in truth it appears to me, that all you like is lip stick, high heels, wall mart and persicuting others...... thus Flora is able to use sympathy to feed a drug habit. and the media can openly lie and that is acceptable.... and you think to swarm our city and free us. I would never want to be like any of you. You are the law. You are the power. Yet, you have to read a paper to see what to do...and oppresion is the rule. your system is backwards. It does not feed the people it robs the people. I hope they vote Bush out. And bring back the constituion, that Clinton sold for a penny and power....Tyrany in a nut shell. and this government could have printed a whole bunch more dollars and helped a lot more people in New Orleans. and skipped the red tape. And Bruce Wisen, God holds the power. You can jump in the creek. It is lovely there. The water is cool and refreshing. The tree's whisper peace. And from the rocky mountian's out to the whole world, the wind does echo, Peace. Peace and good will towards all men, in every country, in every language and every town, in every hill. Do i think that it is realistic that there will be peace. I do, but not with those that are determined to pick up a sword. So, i would tell you, the water is cool, jump in......

Anonymous said...

And BRuce Wisen, i was not at that meeting and i did not have to be to be able to know that you are a liar, and a theif. I would have no need of you. and i am glad i was not there to see you. I would have told you what i thought, so I stayed away out of respect.

Anonymous said...

G.W. Bush cannot be voted out and Bill Clinton cannot be voted in. They both were elected to two terms in office, the maximum allowed by the U.S. Constitution, which, by the way, protects your right to be an uneducated babbler of nonsense.

rcn

Anonymous said...

I believe that Bill Clinton is currently eligible to run for the office of President. As I recall, the prohibition is against more than two consecutive full terms.

And I would be proud to vote for his opponent once again.

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with "uneducated blabber of nonsense"?

Isnt that what blogs are her for?

Blab on!

Anonymous said...

Absolutely nothing is wrong. Blabber away. I haven't had my quota of entertainment today.

If Hillary happens to get nominated you can cast your vote against Bill, or at least against a Clinton.

Has anyone noted her stance on anything. She stands on both sides of all issues.

rcn

Anonymous said...

As I get older, I get a little softer.

Back when Bill introduced Hillary as his champion of socialized medicine, I thought socialized medicine would cause the collapse of civilization.

Now I am OK with it, if good and smart people are in charge of it.

That does exclude Hillary. But Joe Lieberman, Bruce Babbitt, Jimmy Carter, and a bunch of other Democrats could be involved in the process.

Anonymous said...

President Romney would be in charge, of course.

Anonymous said...

"President Romney".

That does have a nice ring to it.

WHo do we want for Vice President?

Anonymous said...

3:59

I hate to burst your bubble but those named demos WILL BE IN CHARGE if a demo is elected to fill the White House.

The American people can hardly afford medical treatment now. How would socializing medical services improve the cost? In every nation where this largess has been tried it has failed.

If a physician can't make a living at practicing medicine he will set up an exclusive private practice for only those willing to pay for medical care. That means that those of us who can't pay the price for a private physician will take what we can, and take a numbr, and wait in line, and have poorer treatment because the better treatments costs the government too much to keep going and to put it mildly, the cow's going dry.

Think about it.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I believe that Bill Clinton is currently eligible to run for the office of President. As I recall, the prohibition is against more than two consecutive full terms.

And I would be proud to vote for his opponent once again.

4/14/2006 10:07 AM


You FLDS people need to get an education. First of all Bill Clinton cannot run again.

And of course you would love Clinton to be president. You believe in Joseph Smith, the biggest womanizer on the planet in the name of religion.
Blah.

Anonymous said...

Hey Hillary can run, wouldn't that just chap the Bush lovers...

Anonymous said...

Well how about C. Rice Sec. of state as Pres & Romney as VP?

Wonder how they would handle Warren Jeffs if he goes David Koresh on us?

Anonymous said...

U.S. Constitution Amendment XXII (1951) Section 1 (in art because of length) "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once." (cont.)

Harry Truman, who as V.P. under F.D.R. upon Roosevelt's death assumed the Presidency, was elected upon his own merit in 1948. He could have been elected to a term in 1952 had he chosen to run. He is the last man to have had that option.

ex creeker said...

Wonder how they would handle Warren Jeffs if he goes David Koresh on us?

4/14/2006 10:16 PM

If????
Have you looked at pilots pictures? They are getting ready for a confrontation. They will be well stocked when the FBI comes knocking. If the FBI wants to use loud noise to drive them out the neighbors would have to endure years of that approach. WJ doesn't have the backbone to stand up and face the charges,but he will let men spend time for him(Jim & Micah). Any man in the compound would give their life for the prophet when the feds decide to tresspass on sacred ground. I think that the next president will be dealing with the WJ/FBI stand off.

PS Admin Have you taken the option of commenting on fundy's threads away on purpose?

Anonymous said...

Kudos to web adimistration for removing responsa to Fundy!Hopefully stop Fundy from posting at all!No need for his controvery provoking drivel!Fundy is not fundamentalist anyway.Only on here
to provoke LDS.Cause disruption.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

President Romney would be in charge, of course.

4/14/2006 4:00 PM

If Mitt Romney is elected President of the US then it will be THE LDS MORMON CHURCH IN CHARGE OF THIS NATION - not Mitt. I promise you that the LDS Church has been salivating over such an opportunity as this for decades. They hoped to control the country by getting Orrin Hatch in office, but it did'nt work.

If they succeed with Romney - LOOK OUT.

fttc said...

You may be correct about the influence of the church authorities on Romney should he succeed to the presidency, although I highly doubt it. You must realize however that according to the CIA factsheet the population of Mormons in the US is about 5%. It would not be the Mormons who put him into office.

Anonymous said...

The previous statement makes a valid point. I remember Gov. George Romney's attempt to gain the Presidental nomination several years ago. He had been President of American Motors prior to his being in elective office. I would have concern about a mormon holding that office because I don't think he could achieve that position unless he had sold his soul to the church seventy. How many of those people would be named to cabinet posts, judges, postmasters etc. Just a thought worth consideration from non-mormons.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Mormon Postmasters?

Imagine the HAVOC that they would wreak!

Anonymous said...

We have had a few Mormons in the cabinet. Did you have a problem with them?

Anonymous said...

The only one I remember was Ezra Taft Benson, Sectetary of Agriculture during the Eisenhower administration. have ther been others? If so, who and in which administrations did they serve?

rcn

Anonymous said...

mikey leavitt health current

Anonymous said...

HEW?

rcn

Anonymous said...

Reply to
fttc

You may be correct about the influence of the church authorities on Romney should he succeed to the presidency, although I highly doubt it. You must realize however that according to the CIA factsheet the population of Mormons in the US is about 5%. It would not be the Mormons who put him into office.

4/16/2006 1:40 AM

rightly so fttc, but such a clean cut apperance to an US population who is ignorant of the desire for control and monopoly that the LDS chruch has could be VERY dangerous for America.

Yes, the US general public could elect Mitt to the Presidency, but they would not know the threat that lurks in the backgound - that they would not only be electing Mitt to run the nation, that they would also be electing the LDS church.

People need to be aware,

How many of you on this blog ever cared one iota or wondered about the Mormons before their distant cousins came to Eldorado, Texas with their wife/husband swapping; child bride trafficking across International borders; welfare fraud; incest; child rape; sex crimes; fumerase diseased children costing taxpayers tons of money, etc. etc. etc.

WAKE UP AMERICA!! you DO NOT Want the MORMONS in charge of your country.

fttc said...

I appreciate your distaste for the LDS religion but really now, is it fair to blame a church for all the problems that those who once were but are not now associated with it cause? Would it be fair to blame the Catholic church for the Baptist faction that is now protesting at the funerals of veterans and telling the families of the slain soldiers that their son will rot in hell for his participation in defending the country?
With the current president making clear his devotion to God would it be fair to say he is only a pawn in the hand of his church?
I do not know Mitt Romney personally. I do not know his history enough to say whether or not he has the backbone to stand up to the special interest groups that would like to control the nation. Do you? If you do you have the obligation as a citizen to warn the rest of us with the facts. You also have the obligation as a fellow man to not engage in rumors to destroy the character of another. It was brought out here that there have been several Mormons in cabinet positions. Do you have the evidence that they were influenced by the LDS leadership beyond the normal influence that a persons religion has on their character?

I know LDS people who are some of the most honest, charitable, upright people I know. I know some LDS who I consider to be the worst scoundrels in my circle of aquaintance. I can say the same about other religions too. If a religion can be held responsible for the scoundrels it should also be held accountable for the good people. Because most people are good at heart most religions will produce better people. Mormonism is no different.

Anonymous said...

I can't disagree with fttc although I do have my reservations. John F. Kennedy, a Catholic, was demeaned and his name defamed by those who thought that the pope would really gain control of the U.S. and that JFK was the epitome of Anti-Christ. Who knows what might have happened had he not been killed in office. He might have pulled troops out of Viet Nam. We will never know. LDS hdqtrs. is closer to D.C. than is Rome and the LSD has much more to gain from a benevolent U.S. Government than did the Vatican.

There is cause for concern.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Reply to rcn
What are you saying?Mitt Romney is
LDS,so therefore is up to no good?Like all other LDS.Bush is Christian.Is this also offensive to you?

Anonymous said...

Definition of what constitutes a christian obviously vary. The very name "Christian" is indicitive of "one who believes in Christ." If an individual is dependent upon any church, himself and his works, following rituals, attending required meetings, saying repetetive prayers etc. indicate that a person may be religious, but doesn't necessarily indicate that they profess that Jesus is the Christ, Savior of the World.

On the one hand an individual is attempting to impress a god, or clergy, or other individuals in relationship to their being a religious person. On the other hand, the individual knows that he is a sinner, without hope on his own merit, and therefore is dependent upon a Christ who came to earth, lived a sin free life, gave Himself over to sinful men who took His life, He was crucified on the cross bearing the sins of the world in His own body, He died, was buried in a borrowed tomb which was sealed and guarded by representives of the most powerful government of the day. But, despite all the precautions He rose from the grave on the third day, He appeared physically to upward to five hundred persons over a forty day period. He was touched physically, He conversed, He even dined with his followers. He then asscended into Heaven to re-assume His rigtful place, at the right hand of God the Father. There He reigns in grace and truth. He didn't leave His followers hopeless. Upon His assention Heavenly Hosts announced to those gathered saying "Why do you stand here watching, This Jesus shall return in a like manner in which He departed. Go and make ready for his return."

I believe in this Christ. He offers salvation. How? By his having paid the debt of my sin by giving his own blood, on that cross as the price. Why would He do that? Out of love. Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
He was sent to earth as the perfect example of God's grace for mankind. Grace is identified as an unmerited favor or a gracious act performed in someone's behalf by another individual who had no obligation to do so except out of a heart filled with love.

Compare the first and second examples and I hope you will come to understand that my Jesus is my grace. I trust in Him completely. He has never forsaken me over all these many years since I first placed my life in His hands and I will continue to trust Him until I meet Him face to face.

Lonestar Texan said...

"Grace without works is dead"
Do you assume all who post,are Flds
or LDS?There are better places to bear your testimony than the "Texas
Polygamy Blog"Try going to Eldordo
and witnessing to the real Flds.They are more in need of Christ than
us poor bloggers.

Anonymous said...

Pat Robertson,Jerry Falwell,Tom DeLay,Robert Tilton,Binny Hinn,Jimmy Swaggart,Jim Baker,Oral Roberts,Warren Jeffs.
What do they have in common?

Anonymous said...

Did I specify that all those in need of grace were LDS or FLDS?

The need of grace is not the problem, it is the need of faith.

Grace has been completed, faith is a work in progress. Grace is the Love of God, faith is the hope of man.

All of mankind needs faith to claim grace. Where do you stand?

The list of men named above are above all human. What their eternal destination is is between them and God. I don't have any say in the matter.

It's peculiar that you, in your tirade didn't mention Billy Graham.

How on earth did you miss that glorious product of faith in the grace of God?

Works without grace is deader. It's trying to impress the One who slung the stars into place, set the planets in order and spoke the world into existence. Do you honestly think that your little works can impress an intellect so great?

Anonymous said...

I didnt mention Billy Graham purposly,I dont classify him in the above category.You are preaching to the choir.I already know about God's eternal grace.Your hearts in the right place.Go ahead!My Salvation is based on JESUS CHRIST!NOT on Anyones works,my own included.
I just that your were some fanatical nut.

Anonymous said...

I am "nuts" for Jesus. I have no way of knowing who will read the post. I don't know if it will be a believer, an agnostic, a skeptic, or someone in need of the saving grace of Jesus. I just sew seed. Let God reap the harvest.

onthestreet said...

ANONYMOUS Said (4/18/2006 8:44 PM):

Grace has been completed, faith is a work in progress. Grace is the Love of God, faith is the hope of man.
All of mankind needs faith to claim grace. Where do you stand? … I don't have any say in the matter… Do you honestly think that your little works can impress an intellect so great?



STREET’s Reply: If all mankind needs faith to claim grace, then grace is not yet complete for them. Devils believe, and tremble. Grace is the crown of salvation. You can’t put on a crown until you get on your feet, establish a foundation, and fill your house. Crowns are for kings and queens. Ever hear of “The King’s Grace”. Love pertains to the heart. Grace pertains to the Crown. So grace is not love, except that it is the culmination of all things: Perfect faith, repentance, baptism, truth, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. Then you can claim His grace and his presence.

What you are talking about is the grace of Christ saving all mankind in some lower kingdom, which it does, except for those who have seen the light and then crucified Him anew, rejecting the prophet whom He has sent in our day. His grace certainly saves most of mankind to that degree, but not in his presence unto eternal life. That will require a high degree of purity and perfection, for “no unclean thing can dwell with God”. Blessed (ONLY) are the pure in heart, for they (ONLY) shall see God (Matt. 5:8). You’re right, you don’t have any say in the matter, but God does, and he just said it.

Yes, God does indeed notice our “little works”. Does he not say to those “few who shall find eternal life”: “Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Enter into my joy?” However, your errors are understandable, for there is no clarity of mind when the waters are impure.

onthestreet said...

ANONYMOUS Said: (4/17/2006 11:33 PM)
WAKE UP AMERICA!! you DO NOT Want the MORMONS in charge of your country.


STREET’s Reply: They already are in charge. They fill the halls of government on both the local and national levels, on many fronts. Orrin Hatch has been the Chairman of the powerful Judiciary Committee for many years. Mike Leavitt is in President Bush’s kitchen cabinet, probably eating all the cheese, or preparing vials. Our good Mormon friends are everywhere, and they can’t be any worse than non-members, probably much better in fact. The world recognizes the value of family values within the Mormon Church, and their organizational abilities. It is much more so in the FLDS Church, but much out of favor with the world at large. That is what makes it so much better (James 4:4):

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Anonymous said...

I just quote Jesus, John and Paul, James, Jude & Peter. Their witness is good enough for me because it has proven to be accurate. They were the real messengers of the grace of God. Anyone reporting another message than that these is a fraud. Jesus was the only one who was prophesied in the Old Testament. He came in fulfillment of those prophesies. The others were His diciples.

onthestreet said...

Well put. Absolutely, witnesses of Christ are required, or else we are very lost. In every generation, He sends witnesses, and these are always rejected by the masses, because there is a deceiver and adversary of the souls of men still operating.

Well put.

Anonymous said...

Satan also send spokesmen to foil the masses with promises of material gain, fame, fortune, promises that are only God's to grant, and then only to the redeemed of the Lamb.

rcn