Sunday, April 30, 2006

"Lost Girl" Recieves Lot from UEP

First Time ever in the history of the UEP, a girl has recieved a building lot. She left the FLDS when pressures became to much. But said that it is the best place to raise a family. Now that she has figured out her finances and education, she is going back to build a home. Bruce Wisan and the UEP Trustees have alocated her a lot and she has paid the property taxes.

Anyone that has family living on UEP Land, has had a "Lot", or would like to get one, should contact Bruce Wisan. Property taxes must be paid, there are empty lots that haven't been built on in years. Time for progress.

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Will lots be sold to general public? Can a Baptist, Jew, LDS, or Catholic purchase lots?

Anonymous said...

No,It is clealy stated you must have family currently living on U.E.P.the lots arent up for sale by force,not yet,anyway.

Anonymous said...

There are actually some lots that are not UEP that are for sale in the Pioneer Shopper. It is great place to live if you are of a different religion, as a matter of fact I would love to see more culture and different backgrounds.

Anonymous said...

I would ask Bruce, if you are interested. Not very many people would go and build houses on land that you cannot get a loan and that you don't own.

Some of us are just simple enough to think that the trustees will look out for our interests and won't sell the land out from under us or evict us

Anonymous said...

Wow. You are pretty simple!

Anonymous said...

To all FLDS members...Open your eyes take a look into the real world. I know you are reading this. If you don't look into the real world it means you are full of pride. Life is what we make it. Have enough self respect to give it a try. Families are forever...
You all think we are just trying to bring Warren Jeffs down the truth is We are sick of all the child crimes. I was raped as a child my mom, and a couple of my friends. I didn't even realize it was wrong because I was supposed to follow my priesthood head. Don't punish yourselves. Get help you don't even have to go to the law if you don't want to there is many of us that would be willing to do it without the attention of the media... Remember some of us do care...Spread the word...

Anonymous said...

Lets not compare monogamy ,what about all the crimes done in the name of monogamy. Monogamy has just as many problems too. Spread the word get out of Monogamy. Some of us care.Don't punish yourselves. Get some help we here of so many problems in monogamy that its scary. GET OUT QUICK>

Anonymous said...

At least most women get to choose to end a relationship if it is not working for them. In the FLDS they don't. Just KEEP SWEET and Make it work or because WJ says hop in bed with the next available guy...doesn't matter how you are feeling.

pligchild said...

"LOST GIRL"?????
How did she get away? Wasnt she forced to marry some old man? How can this be?....J/K

Anybody want to know the truth?

The reason men have been sent away is because they have done wrong. There is more freedom for women in the FLDS than there is anywhere else. Just realize that God does not sanction the least of sins. If there is sin, it is not His obedient servant's fault.

I love you all and want the very best for you!!
KEEP SWEET
Keep= Pray to God
Sweet= For the truth. He will give it to you!
Seek for the greatest good, not for evil. Lets open up our heads and start scrubbing, We can all use a good brain washing.

Anonymous said...

Yes their are child crimes everywhere in this world but in the FLDS the sad thing is the victims don't even realize that it is wrong. I know I didn't... I thought he was my priestood head...

pligchild said...

I really do feel your pain. I know for a fact that the FLDS doctorine forbids any type of crime against children. If you were victimized by anyone they will pay for it, if not here than in the next life for sure. I can assure you that whomever hurt you is and was not a member of the FLDS. Sin kicks you out.

All are born with enough of the Spirit of God to know right from wrong. So you cannot say you did not think it was wrong. It makes my blood boil to think anyone would assault thier own child. God does not condone it, so niether does the FLDS. You cannot blame what happened to you on the FLDS any more than you can blame the Pope.

fttc said...

anne

What is your definition of FLDS? Is it the people? Is it the belief system? Please be specific.

Anonymous said...

Sin kicks you out.

You got that right. Sin personified, and sooner or later it will catch up with him too.

Anonymous said...

Well dear anne n.
What does the FLDS doctrine say about adultry, stealing, bearing false witness and having no other gods other then the great I AM.

I guess your god has selective hearing.


God does not tolerate any sin of man or woman.

pligchild said...

Wow!
I love you all, but please remember, if I Know that there is "one man" who is the spokesman for God for all. I dont care if you dont believe it, i just want you to leave me alone and let me believe it! Is this not what this country iw all about?

The FLDS Doctorine can be found by reading the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Doctorine and Covenants.

Remeber, allegatation are just that, allegations, they are not truth.

pligchild said...

Anybody want the truth?

Go again and watch those hate spiels put on by AZFamily and this time listen to Mr. Watkis say the word "alleged", and "allegations" and interpret it to mead LIE! It is not the truth! Mr. Watkis says those words to keep himself from getting sued for liebel. Who are being brainwashed here? Those who believe what Flora, Penny, and any others who hate us are telling you?

Sheeple!

furnace said...

Cult mentality--me leader is the only one who speaks for God, even when evidence shows contrary.

Cult mentality--secrecy and lying to outsiders.

Cult mentality--"I know because of the feeling within"

Cult mentality--My leader is innocent and all the converging evidence of guilt is just allegations against such a wonderful man.

Cult mentality--Give up all worldly possessions and follow the leader.

Cult mentality--Destroy families.

Cult mentality--Discredit anyone who defects and try to prove that what they say isn't true, even though there is convergence of evidence.

It isn't just the FLDS; it's cults in general. Same cult mentality, different religion, names, and circumstances.

furnace said...

Change "me leader" to "my leader"

furnace said...

If someone reads into Jim Jones, there are parallels.

Jim Jones..."the GDF will come parachuting down and kill our children"

Warren... "the government wants to kidnap our children and would even kill them." He repeated this message three times one Saturday.

Jim Jones...tried to get a utopia set up in Guyena.

Warren...trying to get a utopia set up in Wac, er I mean Texas.

Jim Jones...required everyone call him Father.

Warren...Had the people all chant "We love you Father" over the microphone so he could he it from his hiding place.

Jim Jones...very controlling of married people's sexuality.

Warren...I won't go there.

Jones...Required his people give up all earthly possessions to follow him.

Warren...Required a number of people to give up everything to join him in Texas, and is bleeding the rest to death.

Jones...Very careful what he showed Rep. Ryan when visiting his compound.

Warren...Who knows what he hides when Doyle or Doran visit the compound.

Jones...imprisoned worn out workers.

Warren...Sends worn out men to Mequite to repent and work in his businesses there.

mugwump said...

Practice polygamy all you want, Just quit rapeing little girls and sodomizing little boys.

This is fact: Most of those who stand in opposition to your marital status are not concerned with your individual sexual practices. They, however are very concerned about:

Abuse of children

Many of you demanding state and federal help to sustain your lifestyle.

Your continuing aid in hiding a leader who faces charges in two states and in federal court, who has squandered your wealth on his own selfish dream, who has broken families apart in his own effort to become your lord and master.

Your closed ears and mind to the truth concerning your denominations roots, it's leadership, it's manipulation of your membership and the false hope it has indoctrinated you with to ensure your loyalty.

Do what you want but protect your children. To no do so offends civilization and The Lord GOD, I AM.

Anonymous said...

I was born and raised in the FLDS for twenty plus years. I was never victimized. My grandparents family never had problems, I love my uncles. I actually never knew the problems existed until eighth grade friends started talking.

If you look at the abuse issues person, by person, instead of it by the whole group, you will see a whole different picture. It is by a group of elite people that thought that they were so much higher than all the rest, that the consquences did not apply to them. Their mothers taught it to them (usually daughters of the priesthood brothern) they were never told no, and usually were able to blame another mothers children for what happened when they were little. Once it showed up in the older children, the younger ones usually get hurt too. Of course you know it is happening more now, with so many mixed families and a step dad

mugwump said...

Good for you. For those of us on the outside all we know is what we read in the papers.

If you will go back and read the posting you will see that my chief concern is for the safety of the children and the fugative being brought to justice. Please go back, read the post agsin, paragraph by paragraph. If that particular paragraph does not apply top your life then is not meant for your consumption. If, however it does apply, won't you consider helping your people improve their immage to a sin sick and dying world? If the behavior that is associated with FLDS brings bad things upon the head of the people because of your leaderships failing, how then are you less to blame than he? Get rid of him and start over.

Anonymous said...

I am my kids mom and I think the mothers are the answer to protecting their children. The fathers certainly aren't doing their job.

onthestreet said...

furnace said...
If someone reads into Jim Jones, there are parallels.
5/03/2006 1:37 PM

mugwump said...
Practice polygamy all you want, Just quit rapeing little girls and sodomizing little boys.


STREET’s Reply: Hey Furnace, every “comparison” you made came from a burned out soul, seeking to exact revenge on the man who caught her in crimes against others, by comparing the best of men on earth with the worst. Christ himself was so compared, and they cried enmass: CRUCIFY, CRUCIFY. Your furnace is self-made for your own self.

As for you, Mugs, it is the Prophet himself who got rid of the rapist and the sodomizer. Therefore, they try to stick him with the same crimes, and sensationalize it in the gullible media, among the gullible masses. There’s the cry again: CRUCIFY, CRUCIFY. Who will endure the fight, and who is lifted up? Within three days, the man is on a throne, and his enemy is left to tremble for millenia, and into eternity. Which class do you chose this day, the public rabble, or the maligned hero of an entire generation?

fttc said...

The mothers are just as guilty and in some cases more so. It has been the mothers who have been the cause of the family breakup in a number of cases. It is the responsibility of BOTH parents to love and protect the innocence of the children.

pligchild said...

I really do apologize for invading your little hate group blog here. I will leave now.

Just one last thing: the only converging "evidence" there is allegations and imaginations.

Hate mentality--
"Cult mentality--Discredit anyone who defects and try to prove that what they say isn't true" --even when it isnt

byebye

onthestreet said...

ANNEY: Nah, no hate, unless Christ is a hateful personality, which He is not. But He DOES say: “These six things doth the Lord HATE. He also says this, and you may consider this HATE also (Matthew 10):

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.


See, you’re just being sentamental, being the “weaker flesh”, but truth is another matter, and if truth discredits someone, or his culture, then who is the “cult”? We don’t do it to discredit, but to help seekers after truth to see the light, and to know the darkness in those who work to bring such things to dust (Eph. 6):

11. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

mugwump said...

I was quoting Will Rogers. I doubt if you know what I'm talking about.

Anonymous said...

Well Street, thank FATHER Warren for MAKING PROPHECY COME TRUE, HE IS SO GOOD AT IT.

Anonymous said...

anne n sorry you don't like us rabid puppies here.

anne n. your immediate FLDS world is probably rosy and I hope it stays that way.

Although I do not think you are part of the group, I think you are an imposter.

But explain why doesn't your "prophet" come out of hiding and defend his beliefs.

But as poster 5/03/2006 2:48 PM
observed they did not have abuse in their family and I believe it, but the poster noticed abuse from within the "elite families" because they were never told no. That I believe.

People on this blog for the most part do not HATE THE FLDS. They hate the abuse, lies and deceptions.

Anne n there is abuse, whether you see it or not, other people have experienced the abuse- men, woman and children.

Abuse comes in all forms, mentally and physically. The scars of mental abuse are harder to detect.

Anonymous said...

5/04/2006 12:45 PM
Abuse comes in all forms, mentally and physically. The scars of mental abuse are harder to detect.


Correction: The scars of mental abuse are harder to detect and correct.

Faithful Woman said...

Street!?

Am I reading you right?

Were you criticizing Anne n?

That would prove that you had no conviction in the stuff you have been spouting the past few years on the blog.

Lets do a test,

Anne n., what do you think of street's "imaculate conception" theory?

Faithful Woman said...

Oh yes, Anne, so good of you to join us "rabid dogs"

mugwump said...

Getting to be a pot-holed-street

If I remember correctly, and I do, It is Warren Jeffs who has been found "at fault" in the sodomizing of his five year nephew. That case was not decided in the newspapers, but in a court of law.

He is under two state and two federal warrants currently. The two state warrants deal with his having contributed to the rape of two under aged girls. The two federal warrants are related to his flight to avoid prosecution.

If he's innocent, all he has to do is stand trial and prove his accusers to be wrong. He has the same right to a fair trail as does anyone else in the United States of America.

You know what? If he didn't have something to hide, why is he on the run?

mugwump said...

Street

I direct this to you, and as a bit of information to the weblog administerator.

You have been using foul language on this log of late. In the 5/3 10:47 post you took My Lord's name in vain. May I remind you of the law you love to quote stating "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord Thy God in Vain. The Lord will not hold him guiltless who taketh His name in Vain." Jesus said that he who is guilty in one occasion of this commandment is guilty of all. You might want to think on that before you allow your temper tantrums over-ride your ability to communicate.

If you don't possess the vocabulary and intelligence to make your points without resorting to vulgarities and curses I recommend that your access to this blog be permenantly banned.

rumor-has-it said...

Let's talk about the mental abuse that is going on.

Case #1: Wife has cell phone of her own and phone number to all her children. Husband takes away phone and number and forbids contact.

Case #2: Wife wante to cut hair and wear pants. Husband says I must find you a different place to live because I can't have that kind of influence in my family.

Anonymous said...

Symptoms of Emotional Abuse

Many women assume that if they're not being physically abused by their partner, then they're not being abused. That's not necessarily true. You may be in a relationship which is draining something from you -- you might not have recognized that your partner has eroded your self-esteem and happiness.

An abusive partner will railroad discussions, so that you don't have time to think about what's right and what's wrong in their behavior.
Take a moment to consider these questions. Your partner might have behaved as though these things were okay, even though it's obvious that they aren't okay...:

Do you feel that you can't discuss with your partner what is bothering you?

Does your partner frequently criticize you, humiliate you, or undermine your self-esteem?

Does your partner ridicule you for expressing yourself?

Does your partner isolate you from friends, family or groups?

Does your partner limit your access to work, money or material resources?

Has your partner ever stolen from you? Or run up debts for you to handle?

Does your relationship swing back and forth between a lot of emotional distance and being very close?

Have you ever felt obligated to have sex, just to avoid an argument about it?

Do you sometimes feel trapped in the relationship?

Has your partner ever thrown away your belongings, destroyed objects or threatened pets?

Are you afraid of your partner?

One aspect of emotional abuse is that it eventually brainwashes the victim.
THE PROCESS OF BRAINWASHING
(MIND CONTROL)

1. The brainwasher keeps the victim unaware of what is going on and what changes are taking place.

Your partner might control your finances, make plans for you, or not tell you what his plans are until the last minute. He may talk about you to others behind your back, to isolate you from them.

2. The brainwasher controls the victim's time and physical environment, and works to suppress much of the victim's old behavior. The victim is slowly, or abruptly, isolated from all supportive persons except the brainwasher.

Your partner might have insisted that you stop certain social, hobby, or work activities. You might have gotten moved to a new location, farther away from your family and friends. Or you may have been asked (or told) to reduce or stop contact with specific supportive people in your life.

3. The brainwasher creates in the victim a sense of powerlessness, fear, and dependency.

Verbal and emotional abuse creates these emotions, and they become stronger and stronger over time.

4. The brainwasher works to instill new behavior and attitudes in the victim.

Your partner trains to you behave in ways that he wants you to behave. He gradually makes you feel differently about yourself, and erodes your confidence in yourself.

5. The brainwasher puts forth a closed system of logic, and allows no real input or criticism.

In other words -- What he says, goes.

Anonymous said...

Won't those same tactics apply in reverse?

Anonymous said...

You mean like a REAL Relationship. Where you can actually talk and have input?

Anonymous said...

There are men who suffer from the reversal of abuse as related to the tactics listed above. Men don't have a monoply on abusing.

Anonymous said...

Correct, but men do have a majority on abusing.

onthestreet said...

mugwump said (5/04/2006 9:28 PM):
Street

I direct this to you, and as a bit of information to the weblog administerator. You have been using foul language on this log of late. In the 5/3 10:47 post you took My Lord's name in vain. May I remind you…


STREET’s Reply: Well Muggy (or do you prefer Swampy)? Either way, you have proven to us all how completely wrong you are. No clarity at all in your polluted waters. You see, neither I nor anyone else said ANYTHING on 5/3 10:47. See, you’re just blowin smoke up peoples’ places of rank and file. How can anyone believe such an obvious lie as to say that I said such and such on 5/3 10:47, when such a post doesn’t even exist?

You pow child. Maybe it was you and such people outside the FLDS who wowe actually abused and bwainwashed. Okay, don’t go cwying about it. Just take anothew cwack at it. Let’s see if you can do any bettow this time.

mugwump said...

OTS

Your post WAS on this thread when I rebutted your crude and condemnitory remark concerning The Lord God. Perhaps the web administrator read both our posts and has determined that what I had observed was true, therefore deleted your remarks as being offensive.

What'cha gonna do when your profit is no longer around to support. The ante is pretty high and once you make the ten "most wanted" you never get off the list until your physical person is accounted for and either in prison, an assylum, or a cheap coffin placed in an unmarked grave. Why I'd bet that if you knew Jeffs location, and could collect the money, his whereabouts would be broadcast to every FBI office in the US within two minutes of your finding out his location. Loyalty- - - - HA!

onthestreet said...

Well, you're right about one thing. The web administrator has deleted alot of my posts. That ought to make a few people happy.

As for my "remark concerning The Lord God", go ahead, tell us. What was the remark? You too afraid to be honest about it? Then tell us.

As for my making some list, what crime, blogging, freedom of speech?

Faithful Woman said...

You can post what you want on your own blog, but respect the rules of other people's blogs.

This administrator has actually been pretty lenient on you Street. What you do all the time is called hijacking the blog. An evicting offence in most other blogs.

onthestreet said...

5/08/2006 7:29 PM

Nah, just responding to your posts. By the way, what rules? If there were such an animal to censure people, and do away with free speech, out the window goes the rules that count, right?

I think those who complain about my posts do so because the Lord whom I quote so much offends them. What do you say, people? Does He offend you? Then why the murmuring when I quote Him, which I do every day that I post to you?

onthestreet said...

See, I very often go two, three, four days without posting at all. Scroll up, and see for yourselves. Is that highjacking the blog, or is it only those who post daily that do the highjacking?

Maybe it is only that you FEEL highjacked when you are CONFOUNDED by God's very word. It highjacks your right off your high horse, yes?

onthestreet said...

MUGS SAID: He is under two state and two federal warrants currently. The two state warrants deal with his having contributed to the rape of two under aged girls. The two federal warrants are related to his flight to avoid prosecution.

If he's innocent, all he has to do is stand trial and prove his accusers to be wrong. He has the same right to a fair trail as does anyone else in the United States of America.

You know what? If he didn't have something to hide, why is he on the run? 5/04/2006 9:19 PM


STREET's Reply: Okay, to be honest, he is "guilty" under state and federal warrants for contributing to the MARRIAGE of two adult girls. The law of God, according to the very Word of God, begins the age of accountability at age EIGHT (8), and the age of betrothal at age TWELVE (12). I have posted the references many times, but in a nation that has cast out all reference to God and prayer and His Word, you have indeed been raped, and by your own choosing.

So yes, if he is innocent, all he has to do is submit to such criminality in high places, and they will reak their own raw justice upon an innocent man, mob-style, and do it with finesse or "political correctness". It is most honorable for a man to seek cover in his God under such conditions, and thus continue to protect life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

You cannot "prove" determined mobsters to be wrong, now can you? Yes, he has a right to a fair trial, but everyone knows that the rights of a declared enemy are stripped. Just look at Abu-Graib, and there are decades of such abuses in the American justice system.

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Hey, he is God's minister, and he will do God's work, FBI and all.

onthestreet said...

Oh, as for your last comment, Muggy, if Christ didn't have something to hide, why does the scripture say that "he went out of the temple and HID HIMSELF".

Are you simply afraid of the truth, the very Word of God? We thought so.

onthestreet said...

Anne N. said (5/03/2006 11:53 PM):
I really do apologize for invading your little hate group blog here. I will leave now. Just one last thing: the only converging "evidence" there is allegations and imaginations. Hate mentality--"Cult mentality--Discredit anyone who defects and try to prove that what they say isn't true" --even when it isnt
byebye


onthestreet said...
ANNEY: Nah, no hate, unless Christ is a hateful personality, which He is not. But He DOES say: “These six things doth the Lord HATE. He also says this, and you may consider this HATE also (Matthew 10): 5/04/2006 2:59 AM

See, you’re just being sentamental, being the “weaker flesh”, but truth is another matter, and if truth discredits someone, or his culture, then who is the “cult”? We don’t do it to discredit, but to help seekers after truth to see the light, and to know the darkness in those who work to bring such things to dust (Eph. 6):

OOPS, SORRY ANNE. So much negativity here against what is actually good and lovely, that I assumed it to be universal, and failed to see the good and lovely in you. I see you had reference to the hate of what is good. And now, before God, I will again acknowledge my own sins, certainly in my reply to you.

Faithful Woman said... Street!? Am I reading you right? Were you criticizing Anne n? 5/04/2006 5:00 PM

Actually, no. Okay, we all agree, Anne has got to be one of the queens of heaven.

mugwump said...

ots

Your comments have become so redundant that they are becoming repugnant. You have used those same little idioms and put downs so often and so ineffectivly that you are fast becoming the joke of this blog. They are so worn out I'm surprised that you don't have them all in your cut and paste file. But then, maybe you do.

If you want to get your blood to pumping go on web to a book purchasing site and find yourself a copy of "Who Really Wrote The Book of Mormon?", (the Spalding Enigma) by Wayne Cowdrey, Howard Davis and Arthur Vanick, published by Concordia Publishing House, St. Louis. It has exceptional footnotes and multiple testimonies which were witnessed and notarized. I don't have to make the argument that you are a fraud any more. This scholarly work does the job efficiently and absolutely successfully.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Ahah, and Mark Hoffman was absolutely successful as well. Don't you all agree?

Anonymous said...

Reply to STREET
5/08/2006 4:15 AM

You pow child. Maybe it was you and such people outside the FLDS who wowe actually abused and bwainwashed. Okay, don’t go cwying about it. Just take anothew cwack at it. Let’s see if you can do any bettow this time.

Man, you're talking like Elmer Fudd

mugwump said...

Until I hear from someone else who has actually READ the book, the testimony and conclusions of any of street's answers will be considered as "blowing in the wind." He has given no answer because he doesn't have one. You fear the truth because you do not have a rebut that would hold up in a court of law.

Anonymous said...

Reply to street

onthestreet said...

Ahah, and Mark Hoffman was absolutely successful as well. Don't you all agree?

Yea, Mark Hoffman was SO successful that he ended up in the Utah State Prison.

onthestreet said...

Just showing the fraud of the so-called "authentic documents" that have tried to prove the BOM false. "Documents are most easilly manufactured, and especially in today's computer age. Mark Hoffman manufactured "ANCIENT DOCUMENTS", and sold them to the gullible Mormons authorities. They swallowed it, hookline and sinker.

onthestreet said...

mugwump said (5/09/2006 2:42 PM):

Until I hear from someone else who has actually READ the book, the testimony and conclusions of any of street's answers will be considered as "blowing in the wind." He has given no answer because he doesn't have one. You fear the truth because you do not have a rebut that would hold up in a court of law.


STREET's Reply: I do so (have a rebutt). You have proven yourself a butt time and time again. There's your re-butt.

mugwump said...

Spoken, or written with all the intelligence of a moron. I and others still await your intelligent answer regarding the referenced book, which will never be coming, because of your limited knowledge of the subject matter.

Your whole dream world is crumbling around your head. Your self proclaimed godhead is on the run, a coward, a thief and an abuser of children. My what worthwhile credentials! He hasn't been crucified (or sustained a head wound.) If he is and arises he then is a good candidate for anti-christ, but I don't think Jeffs has the intelligence leadership ability nor the charisma to fool a world into believing him to be the Christ.

Anonymous said...

And why did LDS Church authorities buy into Mark Hoffmans forgeries? Because they were so authentic looking and were just like the real documents they have. Documents by and about Joseph Smith and others in the early church that are very embarassing to the Church and so they don't want people to see them.
That is what made Hoffman so good. He had access to Church documents that very few have access to and so he knew what and how to write these forgeries to make them conivincing.
Many of these documents have nothing to do about polygamy and would be just as much of an embarassment to the FLDS or any other off-shoot of the Mormon Church.

onthestreet said...

And your point being....

Street pacing, twiddling his thumbs, doodling in the sand, waiting for...for...FOR WHAT?

Come on now, my child. You can do it. You have to push, and then make sure you wipe it clean after.

Anonymous said...

Well butt-in-ski, I think you are AFRAID to read anything that might shed a little light on your obscure pathway. COWARD! COWARD!