Friday, March 31, 2006

Women's rights

What about the women's rights in a polygamus society?

Have they given up their rights?

48 comments:

Merycia said...

I am not a member of a group, but I have friends who are members and friends who are Independents, and they have NOT given up their rights. It's a silly question that might be true of FLDS members. A plural wife might have subscribed to a life where she will not have legal marriage benefits, but she does not lose her rights as a citizen of the United States, for heaven's sake, at least, not unless the anti-people succeed in pushing sufficient government oppression and antagonism to deny her rights based on her participation in a polygamous relationship.

Merycia said...

I haven't given up MY rights, either.

Anonymous said...

Polygamist wifes, single women living with men have rights with the current laws in some states, some might even be considered commonlaw marriages and they could pursue challenging a man for his property, if they choose to leave him. OUCH! Get a good lawyer!

Education is the key, that is the power the FLDS women do not have open to them. They do not know their legal rights.

Anonymous said...

You have the right to remain silent.

just kidding.

onthestreet said...

You have the right to remain silent. 4/01/2006 2:10 PM

LOL: Yes indeed. That's funny, but true to the faith, God's Word (I Cor. 14

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

ALSO THE MEN ARE TO REMAIN SILENT, when God speaks, and His Prophet.
It's simply Order vs Disorder, Clarity vs Confusion, Heaven vs Hell.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (4/01/2006 10:09 AM): Education is the key, that is the power the FLDS women do not have open to them. They do not know their legal rights.

STREET's Reply: You all put forth many lies and misconceptions, not being educated. Education is the key. The FLDS faith gives women the ultimate rights and freedoms, even to the point of casting out husbands who violate those rights. The Law of the Lord is the ultimate law, which they anxiously love and gather around, absolutely refusing to leave the Prophet, even at the risk of losing those husbands who were what the world would call "slightly abusive". The FLDS faith is a much higher standard than any other faith, and "where much is given, much is required.

Anonymous said...

Truth is the key, not education. Education is a tool to enable an individual to discern and select.

Faithful Woman said...

Common law marriage still has to be declared, stated. It just doesn't have to have all of the paperwork and fru fraw of a regular marriage.

Anonymous said...

Common Law Marriage
THE MYTH: There is a common misperception that if you live together for a certain length of time (seven years is what many people believe), you are common-law married. This is not true anywhere in the United States.
STATES THAT RECOGNIZE COMMON LAW MARRIAGE: Only fifteen states recognize common law marriages:
IF YOU LIVE IN A STATE THAT DOES RECOGNIZE COMMON LAW MARRIAGE:
If you live in one of the above states and you "hold yourself out to be married" (by telling the
community you are married, calling each other husband and wife, using the same last name, filing
joint income tax returns, etc.), you can have a common law marriage (for more information on the
specific requirements of each state, see reverse). Common law marriage makes you a legally married couple in every way, even though you never obtained a marriage license. If you choose to end your relationship, you must get a divorce, even though you never had a wedding. Legally, common law married couples must play by all the same rules as “regular” married couples.
If you live in one of the common law states and don't want your relationship to become a common
law marriage, you must be clear that it is your intention not to marry. The attorneys who wrote
Living Together (additional information below) recommend an agreement in writing that both
partners sign and date: “Jane Smith and John Doe agree as follows: That they’ve been and plan to continue living together as two free, independent beings and that neither has ever intended to enter into any form of marriage, common law or otherwise.”
IF YOU LIVE IN A STATE THAT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE COMMON LAW MARRIAGE,
there is no way to form a common law marriage, no longer how long you live with your partner.
There is one catch: if you spend time in a state that does recognize common law marriage, “hold
yourself out as married”, and then return or move to a state that doesn't recognize it, you are still
married (since states all recognize marriages that occurred in other states). However, this is murky legal territory and we don’t recommend experimenting with it!
STATE-BY-STATE REQUIREMENTS TO FORM A COMMON LAW MARRIAGE:*
Alabama The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) capacity; (2) an agreement to
be husband and wife; and (3) consummation of the marital relationship.
Colorado A common-law marriage may be established by proving cohabitation and a
reputation of being married.
Iowa The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) intent and agreement to be
married; (2) continuous cohabitation; and (3) public declarations that the parties
are husband and wife.
Kansas
For a man and woman to form a common-law marriage, they must: (1) have the mental capacity to marry; (2) agree to be married at the present time; and (3)
represent to the public that they are married.
Montana
The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) capacity to consent to the
marriage; (2) an agreement to be married; (3) cohabitation; and (4) a reputation of
being married.
Oklahoma
To establish a common-law marriage, a man and woman must (1) be competent; (2)
agree to enter into a marriage relationship; and (3) cohabit.
Pennsylvania
A common-law marriage may be established if a man and woman exchange words
that indicate that they intend to be married at the present time.
Rhode Island
The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) serious intent to be married
and (2) conduct that leads to a reasonable belief in the community that the man
and woman are married.
South Carolina
A common-law marriage is established if a man and woman intend for others to
believe they are married.
Texas
A man and woman who want to establish a common-law marriage must sign a form provided by the county clerk. In addition, they must (1) agree to be married,
(2) cohabit, and (3) represent to others that they are married.
Utah
For a common-law marriage, a man and woman must (1) be capable of giving consent and getting married; (2) cohabit; and (3) have a reputation of being husband and wife.
Washington, The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) an express, present intent to
D.C. be married and (2) cohabitation.
* Source: It’s Legal! Legal Information Network, whose website no longer exists. The Alternatives to Marriage Project is
not responsible for omissions or inaccuracies in the above information.
** Oklahoma’s laws and court decisions may conflict with each other about whether that state recognizes common law
marriages formed after 11/1/98

Anonymous said...

No wonder every thing is so mixed up. I wonder what you would live like if you ditched the little green paper that made slaves of you all.

Anonymous said...

because the only right that any one has is if they pay a good lawyer and can dish-out the green bills. And woman have a right to love a man. But the government has no right to harrass her for this love of this man. Though i am not married to him yet, i will be. And when the government has over-stepped its bounds and steal money beside land; what right's do any one of us have, but what we did in the beginning. The right to love a man. The right to a lawyer; the right to trial and considered inacent until proven Guilty. And what right did a woman have when the government took them? And you speak of rights. I wonder what you would live like if you ditched the little green bill that made slaves of you. I wonder what rights woman would have if God did immediatly strike dead the guilty. I wonder what rights the woman would have if all men were just. I wonder what rights we would have if you did not make laws to make me illegal, when i was born the same as you. I wonder what rights we would have if you ditched the little green bill that made slaves of you. Greedy selfish slaves.......

Anonymous said...

And who of you really cares about the abused except you get a peice of the little green slavery paper............. And tornado's with golf sized hail did also speak. With floods in other places. Who among you are honest? Who among you are living the law of jesus?

Anonymous said...

Do you people have any idea what your talking about?

someone who cares said...

anon 12:09

What the hell are you talking about? What green paper? Are you talking about money? Cash? You spend it the same way that we do, so what is your point?Golf ball sized hail? Hellooooooo!! Didn't the temple in tx just get damaged by hail? You really need to pay better attention to your ranting!

I might also add that while I am not exactly religious, I know that you are supposed to "love thy neighbor". Is this what loving your "neighbors" is like? Preaching nonsense that you probably can't quite swallow as the truth, yourself. Why can't you just get it through your pretty little heads that we don't care if you have 20 wives or 20 husbands or whatever. IT IS THE ABUSE AND MARRIAGES OF UNDERAGE GIRLS!!!!! Now, stop all of that and we will be hunky-dory.

Anonymous said...

What-ever. Do you know for sure what you talk about?

Faithful Woman said...

Thank you Someone-who-cares

onthestreet said...

someone who cares said (4/04/2006 3:35 PM):
anon 12:09

What the hell are you talking about? What green paper? Are you talking about money? Cash? You spend it the same way that we do, so what is your point?Golf ball sized hail? Hellooooooo!! Didn't the temple in tx just get damaged by hail? You really need to pay better attention to your ranting!

STREET’s Reply: Most intelligences know exactly what she is talking about, but you have to guess and flounder? That tells it all. Her point is very well laid out, that money does not buy any security, and the God will indeed judge the nations as YOUR Bible says He will, even with hail. If a religious community gets a little hail, that is hardly God’s judgement, for it was probably more of a blessing that watered their gardens and orchards, and stiffened their resolve to keep God’s commandments. Many communities get hail, so what’s YOUR point?

You call yourself “SOMEONE WHO CARES” while actually saying in this very post: “WE DON’T CARE. Go ahead and have wives, after you get our approval of course, but don’t you dare have babies, and don’t even think of marrying a girl at the age of the Virgin Mary when she conceived the Son of God, AT AGE 12”. That is the law of the land, for the land is God’s land, and His law is the ancient Bat Mitzvah, meaning: A girl enters into adulthood and the duties of life at age 12.

Now, stop all your twisings around God’s laws, and all will be hunky-dory. Otherwise, I’m pretty sure that you will get hail and hell that will be very difficult for you to endure.

someone who cares said...

STREET

I don't know how long it took you to read my post, but you obviously did not read it right. For one thing I did not say any thing about you getting anyone's approval for anything! And another thing I never even hinted at your people not having children. That is absurd. As for your comment about the virgin Mary, We live in a very different time now. Just in case you had not noticed. And I am also wondering, Are you jewish now? You seem to know a little something about other religions. I wonder how that happened?

It is you, street, who twist God's words.In your post you prove my point perfectly. You do not have the capacity to "love thy neighbor". So, I thank you.

saar said...

In the FLDS Culture there seems to be a number of women who have been told all of their life that men have the knowledge and power and are never wrong. So these girls grow up and may have an opinion and yet never voice it. They allow men to dominate them, until the point where it doesn't matter if it is the same man, the man can change, as long as they have a "priesthood" man. They never seek higher education, they are the "make-do" easy to get ran over and used.

Those who do seek higher education -- never let their opinion get brushed off or let themselves be treated like a doormat.

So which are you? Doormat or Not?

Anonymous said...

That answers alot of questions. Thanks!

onthestreet said...

I'd rather be a doormat in the Kingdom of God than a bed, a bathtub, or even the whole house in some lower kingdom.

onthestreet said...

someone who cares said (4/05/2006 11:40 PM):

STREET
I don't know how long it took you to read my post, but… you obviously did not read it right. For one thing I did not say any thing about you getting anyone's approval for anything! And another thing I never even hinted at your people not having children. That is absurd. As for your comment about the virgin Mary, We live in a very different time now. Just in case you had not noticed. And I am also wondering, Are you jewish now? You seem to know a little something about other religions. I wonder how that happened? It is you, street, who twist God's words. In your post you prove my point perfectly. You do not have the capacity to "love thy neighbor". So, I thank you.


STREET’s Reply: Oh, I read it thoroughly enough. I know the poison festering underneith, and the foul spirit. I obviously DID read it right. The very idea of getting approval is just to show the farcity of your curiosity that branches into larceny and all kinds of other crimes, like that damn cat that gets all twisted and tangled up in a ball of string. The Gospel of Christ and the Law of God in the time of the Virgin Mary is THE SAME Godspel, THE SAME Law.

“I am a God who changes not, neither does my word nor my law change, for it is ETERNAL”. It is “a very different time now”, as you put it, only because it is a very apostate time now. So are you saying that you’ve joined the Great Apostacy?

I am Fundamentalist, Mormon, Christian, Jewish, Hebrew, Noaite, and Ephraimite, Adamic. We cannot love evil, can we? So, “Who is thy Neighbor”? You’re welcome.

onthestreet said...

Let me edit this:

I'd rather be a doormat in the Kingdom of God than a bed, a bathtub, or even the whole DAMN house in some lower kingdom.

someone who cares said...

What do you mean, street? You are exactly that. A doormat. You lay there and let WJ scrape all the crap off onto you and then you come here and defend him. Who is the genius now? Just keep up on your denial of the pain that has been caused in your community. I do care. That is why I am here. If you cared about the people in your town, then you would be trying to help them. But,no, You would rather come in here quoting the Bible and defending the monster. Shame on you!

Anonymous said...

If he quoted the Bible accurately and with authority, and not the rest of that man made garbage he might have a better creditability.

rcn

Anonymous said...

agreed, rcn

onthestreet said...

someone who cares said (4/07/2006 2:36 PM):
What do you mean, street? You are exactly that. A doormat. You lay there and let WJ scrape all the crap off onto you and then you come here and defend him. Who is the genius now? Just keep up on your denial of the pain that has been caused in your community. I do care. That is why I am here. If you cared about the people in your town, then you would be trying to help them. But,no, You would rather come in here quoting the Bible and defending the monster. Shame on you!

STREET’s Reply. My posts DO help them, but only those who are honest in heart. The rest CARE NOT, and nor shall the Lord care to keep them around polluting His heritage, who also said: “DENY yourself daily, and take up your cross, and follow me”. Shame on WHO?


4/07/2006 6:49 PM: Nonny, so you like the Bible but not the interpretations of tongues and the other gifts of the spirit that it commands? What you call “garbage” is merely the ancient Hebrew, the holy language, which I guess is garbage to all that pollutes God’s heritage. So He is now cleaning it up, and sweeping away, all that pollutes His heritage. Yes, I am honored to be his doormat.

onthestreet said...

You say: "Just keep up on your denial of the pain that has been caused", for your Lord saith: "Deny yourself daily, and take up your cross, and follow me". Yes, the purging of the toxins of the Body of Christ is painful, and truth does sting a bit, being as potent as it is. But if you don't take the medicine, then you die, and we will not rejoice. Every soul is precious to us.

Anonymous said...

Are you a pharmacist, a Naturopathic physician, a mystic or a sorcerer. Why don't you drink a pint of epson's salt to purge your own body, which is brimming with lies, deceit, a forest in your eye and bowels locked down so tight that the residue is running down from under your fingernails and onto the text of the page as you write.

Only after your own purging can you see clearly and have been able to remove the misinformation and hate you have stored so long within yorself. Who knows? It might even help your dual personality disorder.

rcn

onthestreet said...

That was gross, rcn. By the way, is rcn an acronymn for "rancid"? How do you know about such grossness, in such intricate detail. No hate here, brother. You are beloved. If you see hate in others, then you only see the forest of trees crammed into your own eyeball. Oh, I get it. If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out. But that is not the only thing you have plucked out. The grossness of your post is more like puked out, speaking of course of the purging that you have referred to so eloquently.

You refer to my professional achievements, but the Lord is the Master Physician, and Warren heals.

Anonymous said...

rcn is an acronym for R.C. Nehi.

Those who have lived in the South know that R.C. is the other part of a balanced diet which includes a Moon Pie. Nehi is like Joseph's coat of many colours. Grape today, strawberry tomorrow. I figured that if you were going to have a King Benjamin and a Nelphi the least I could do was to place a Royal Crown on Nehi.

Methought the previous comment was most eloquent, most appropriate, but inadequate. I'm rather sure that there are others out there who can 'one-up' me. Come on, give it a try. The challenge is to say exactly what needs to be said in the most polite language possible. I really don't care if I am the object of your ridicule or fundy or ots or mugwump or whoever. Pour it on. Let's make it a party!

onthestreet said...

“Nehi” sounds appropriate for your name. One who is knee-high is still very childish, or stunted, or just feeling very very low.

So, for starters, I think you need a better name. Let’s try this: Hey Buffy, you still spittin like a camel, or have you just been bitten in the buff by a damsel, and she’s pissing you off? There is a remedy for that, you know. So as to help you to avoid being damned, and selling yourself short (dam-sel), let me help you:

The Hebrew for “damsel” is “Noar” (close kin to “Noah”), which means “a maid”, a very young maid of purified waters, as in Noah’s flood. So, let her be MADE, not LAID. After the Flood, it was again a maiden earth, made anew and purified of all wickedness: “As the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be”. (Mt. 24:37).

The Greek for “maid” is: “hupostronnumi”, as a hoop or circle of stars (astronomy), which means “to strew underfoot”. So, if the ladies have spurned and dispised you, there is a reason for that. Many wives are as the stars of heaven. Another term for “damsel” is “Racham”, which means to “cherish the female womb”. Get it? If you abuse it or violate it, you lose, and then “Racham” turns to “Rectum”, to direct-em out, post-haste.

Let’s take another term for “damsel”: “Phuk” or “Tabbach”, both which mean “Guard, executioner of the corrupt”. Men corrupt this term and violate their women. It is like Christine says in the theme of the Phantum of the Opera: “Soon you’ll be beside me. You’ll GUARD ME and you’ll guide me”, as she sang to her lover Raoel. “Raah” in Hebrew is “Bird of Prey, seeing”, as in War-wren, seer, and “El” is God. So, “Rao-el” means “the seer of God”, or “my Lord” on earth, “God with us”. A wren is NOT a bird of prey, like the carnivorous beast that God identifies as the governments of man in Revelation. This shows both the valiance and the peace of the man, War-ren, like the Prophet LeRoy Johnson who was identified as a “Man of Steel and Velvet”.

Another Greek term for “damsel” is “Korasian”. Asia, or Assiah, is the world or the earth, the physical plane of all existence, including the physical plane of the stars and the galaxies, which are worlds. So she is the “core” of the earth: “Korasia”, the Kingdom of the King, the Bride of the Bridegroom, which is Christ and King of Kings. It is written that there are 144,000 priests and kings, with their harems, and one King of Kings. Christ also had a large harem around him, but you corrupt such things as evil.

Let’s do another one. The Hebrew for “damsel” is “Laat”, which means to “muffle or cover”. The Greek is “Paidion”, which means “Child”. Thus, “cover the child (or damsel) for procreation, and NOT for the breeding of animals. When Adam or Michael came to Mary to sire our Lord, He was her true Guard (Phuk, or Tabbach), NOT her corrupt destroyer. She was “muffled or covered”, quite the opposite of being exposed, for it is written: “The power of THE HIGHEST (Michael or Adam) shall overshadow thee (Luke 1:35), speaking to the damsel, 12-year old Mary.

You see! Child marriage is of God. Anything else is of the Devil, an influence that affects most, even some saints to some lesser degree. It is God’s law, as the God of the land, and thus the law of the land, to marry at 12. The ancient and modern Hebrew or Jewish “Bat Mitzvah” is at the age of 12. “Bat” is “to pronounce”, and “Mitzvah” is “THE LAW”. The Bat in Greek is “Biosis”, which means “manner of life”, as in biology, the science of life. So, at age 12, “the creation of life”, according to the legitimate law of the land. “Mitzvah” in Greek is “Speiro”, which means “To Guard and Sew the Seed, as speculator, scout, spy, spectator. Thus, Biosis-Speiro, or biosphere: “The part of the earth and its atmosphere in which living organisms exist or that is capable of supporting life”.

See, a faithful and honorable husband does NOT own what is God’s, but merely observes and guards, being a servant of the Lord, NOT the Lord Himself. Man, however, has stolen and raped what is not his, and suffers the consequences continually. Without this purity with the opposite sex, you can praise Jesus and claim His name and His grace until you are blue in the face, and yet what does He say? “Depart from me, ye cursed. Inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren (or the last, Warren Jeffs), ye have done it unto me (Matthew 25:40). Ye only judge him as gross, being gross yourself, and therefore not capable of the judgement except that eternal judgement that now comes upon you.

Anonymous said...

ots

If you think that for one minute I'm going to waste my time attempting to decipher your incoherent attempt to teach a foreign language, or to even shead light on English from your warped, childish frame of mind, K.I.S.S.
(KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID)you are wasting our time.

We are looking for "clever" here not verbosity. If I had wanted to study Greek, I would have done so years ago. I felt as if I had no need for the study then and my opinion hasn't changed. Therefore, your language lessons are a bore.

Like most contributors, I think it is more important for you to share and support your thoughts and convictions, not educate the rest of us. Fo all you know we may hold degrees in history, literature, biology, music, humanities, nursing or any other fields of study, or we may be ranchers, mechanics, assembly line workers, employed in the oil field or school teachers.

So put your little greek textbook up. No one cares to learn the roots of words that are pretty well understood in English, and you are not going to change our minds anyway. Now go back, take a tranquilizer, and try again.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Well, that was graceful. Okay, let's try again:

Grace in Hebrew is "Chen", meaning "well-favored", which is beyond just loving someone. It is acting on that love. It is the race to the reward, which is not to the swift, but to they who endure. Can you endure it?

G-Race: "G" is the letter Gimmel, which means "reward". You can love someone, but still not reward them. So, grace and love are not the same, like someone said they were.

There is much more, but I will give you a brevity-breather, and some grace, by rewarding you with a closing for now. Does that sound pretty good. I thought it would.

onthestreet said...

Happy? There was NOT ONE Greek word in that post, and I can't blame you for not liking the Greek. It is a corrupt language.

Anonymous said...

Alright, lets add Hebrew to the language list I don't need to know. There are many parallel translations in both Greek and Hebrew. I can compare those translations to the several versions of the Bible I have at my disposal.

I'd feel the same way about French, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, Swaheli(?), Chinese or any other written language. Let someone else be the language scholar. I can discern.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Ohh, am I communicating only for you. Isn't that extremely selfish? Are you suddenly in charge of sensorship for the Nazi Regime.

Hey, let's add English to that list too. Grrrreaaat Idea.

Faithful Woman said...

Street,
You Idiot

If ever there was a directive for a man to have no sexual relation with his wives, it was an old man with too many wives to satisfy and he had to tell them something so they wouldn't look eslewhere for sasisfaction.
Yes Street, women need to be taken care of sexually. It isn't just a man thing.
Anyway, this guy tells his wives that sex is for procreation only, that no one should get any satisfaction from it. Since this old man happend to be somewhat important to "the work", the word spreads and it is taked for gospel truth by some.
And waren finds it usefull in controlling the people so he impliments it in his strangle hold of a rule.

Leroy Johnson didn't hold with this doctrine. He told people, one I can think of in particular, to take care of his wifes. That if she/they went to someone else (to find sex), that the sin of her adultry was on his head for not taking care of her (satisfying her need for sex).

Anonymous said...

Thank you faithful woman:

Sometimes you would think that our resident idiot is an hermaphrodite incapable of demonstrating dominance from either gender. I don't know when I have ever read anything written by such a confused individual. I think that because he/she/it can not determine just what normal sexual drive should include that therefore he/she/it is presumtative that just because he can't enjoy it he'll damn the whole natural event.

Although some religions practice sexual union as a part of their worship, there are those of us who believe that such union is a gift from God, for the mutual benefit of both husband and wife and therefore we keep that part of our life private. That part of the union of marriage is so intimate that to talk about your mate's looks, performance or what ever is no one else's business. To devulge such secrets is the equivilent to unfaithfulness.

If a child is born to a union of love it is the blessing of God. If not, each partner can take comfort in the private, loving presence of their mate. In that privacy the two of them together can confide in each other their needs and set goals to accomplish in life other than bearing children.

rcn

onthestreet said...

AHH, there you have it, fokes. The very basis of his complaint, that the Lord just might restrict his ability to stick it to some innocent girl because some sex-offender has urges that just cannot be controlled.

Your Lord has called you a dog, and dung, one being possessed with such filth. Did not the Savior say (Matt. 5):

28: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery.

SEE? Just to look on a woman in that way, is adultery, says the Lord. The value of a woman is far greater than to gratify the needs of a sex-offending pervert, and especially your wife. With your wife, you make solemn vows to avoid that very thing, "to keep yourself for her", not against her.
Therein is your crime.

onthestreet said...

“faithful” said (4/21/2006 1:30 AM):

“Yes Street, women need to be taken care of sexually. It isn't just a man thing. Anyway, this guy tells his wives that sex is for procreation only, that no one should get any satisfaction from it. Since this old man happend to be somewhat important to "the work", the word spreads and it is taked for gospel truth by some. And waren finds it usefull in controlling the people so he impliments it in his strangle hold of a rule”.

“Leroy Johnson didn't hold with this doctrine. He told people, one I can think of in particular, to take care of his wifes. That if she/they went to someone else (to find sex), that the sin of her adultry was on his head for not taking care of her (satisfying her need for sex)”.

STREET’s Reply: You say you “need to be taken care of sexually”! That is certainly true of a sexual pervert, one who is stuck in the urgings of the body and totally lost to the urgings of the spirit. Your Redeemer commands saints to “sew unto the spirit”, and to “crucify the flesh daily”. You only speak in the spirit of the wicked, being NOT faithful at all, but faithless, having lost faith in spiritual things for sexual gratification, being of such filth that it is what the Lord calls “the dogs from without, and the dung”.

You didn’t know Leroy Johnson. He held to such doctrine so tightly, that he had men put in prison for violating them, and he let thousands of others sift themselves out because of their filth. One of his famous quotes, as recorded in his published sermons, is this:

“I tell my ladies to SEE TO THEIR CLEANLINESS, and then work until all the work is done”.

Another one: “Men have to be cast out for teaching our youth to violate the sacredness of their morals”.

Another one: “We have taugh our people to cover their nakedness”.

You simply mock Uncle Roy and Jesus Christ, and their prophet today, Warren Jeffs. How is taking care of a women raping her? The sin of adulter is on the husband’s head for sewing to her flesh, practicing the whoredoms of the world and of animal nature, and not satisfying the needs of the human spirit and her divine nature.

This is why you are OUT, cut off from the Lord. Only “the pure in heart shall see God”.

Faithful Woman said...

I didn't know Leroy Johnson? I beg to differ. He really is/was my uncle.
Do you bother to read his words in context? Or do you just search for a word and cut&paste any refrence that comes up? Did you know that the written word of Leroy Johnson has been changed and does not match the orriginal recordings of his sermons?

What you posted of his word does not refute my claim in any way.

1. refers to keeping their room clean.

2.refers to not having premarital relations.

3.duh, refers to wearing clothing that covers our bodies, no bare bellys and arms or legs in public. In no way does it refer to what goes on in private, behind closed doors, lives.

And I do have a solid refrence that he gave men commandment to take care of their wives.

warren is the only 'leader' of "the work" that is bold and perverse enough to talk of private relations in public.

I am not "out" for anything that has to do with sex. Nor was I "kicked" out.

If your theory of abstinance even from your mate were true, none of us would exist.

If it bothers you so much, don't call it sex, call it creating close and intimate relationships.

Anonymous said...

sic him faithful.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Faithful Woman Said (4/24/2006 2:19 PM):

I didn't know Leroy Johnson? I beg to differ.
REPLY: Or do you beg AND differ? That’s the confession we were waiting for, that you didn’t know him, and Christ will also say “I never knew you”.

1. refers to keeping their room clean.
REPLY: Your body IS your room.

2.refers to not having premarital relations.
REPLY: The sacredness of your morals is not just for outside the family. It is especially applicable within the family, or else you are a severed branch.

3.duh, refers to wearing clothing that covers our bodies, no bare bellys and arms or legs in public. In no way does it refer to what goes on in private, behind closed doors, lives.
REPLY: To cover your nakedness means just that, WHENEVER you are naked. Our is NOT just a part-time religion.

And I do have a solid refrence that he gave men commandment to take care of their wives.
REPLY: Yes, but what is “CARE”? The Hebrew for “care” is “dabar”, which means:

a) speech
b) saying, utterance
c) word, words
d) business, occupation, acts, matter, case, something, manner (by extension)

There it is: To teach and to maintain. What you say is only the denial of a sex-offender, and of Christ’s very word. Nothing you say can change the Word of the Lord, which is this: “Whosever looketh upon a woman to lust after her HAS COMMITTED ADULTERY”.

warren is the only 'leader' of "the work" that is bold and perverse enough to talk of private relations in public.
REPLY: Christ did the same, so you brand your Lord as “perverse”.

I am not "out" for anything that has to do with sex. Nor was I "kicked" out.
REPLY: Your husband was seeking child brides as a law unto himself. You support that by remaining unfaithful with him.

If your theory of abstinance even from your mate were true, none of us would exist.
REPLY: Christ was conceived through abstinance, yet he exists. You deny His very existence.

onthestreet said...

4/25/2006 3:38 AM (Continued):

Cease from ALL lustful desires (D&C 88:121).

There were lustful desires. By these things, they polluted their inheritances (D&C 101:6).

These are they who are adulterers…who suffer the wrath of God on earth, and the vengeance of eternal fire. These are they who are cast down to hell (D&C 76:103).

Man is the tabernacle of God, even temples, and whatsoever temple is defiled, God shall destroy that temple (D&C 93:35), in the hope of saving the soul in some kingdom. For the spirit is the life, and immorality kills the living spirit.

Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart (not with the penis, with the heart), for he that looketh upon a woman to lust after her shall deny the faith and be cast out (D&C 42:22). Ross was looking upon young girls to join him, to do the same with them that he is doing with you.

Behold, I will cast her into great tribulation for adultery (lust), and will kill her children (Rev. 2:22). The Lord will, not man, unless you speedilly repent and sin no more.

If the wife will not abide it, she shall be destroyed (D&C 132:54).

Cease from all your lustful desires (D&C 88:121).

mugwump said...

I don't think I'd be so judgemental streetie. For with what judgement you judge you shal be judged.

You expect to be saved by obedience of law. If you fail at one point you are guilty of all. I didn't say that of my own. Look it up.

Faithful Woman said...

Didn't you pull your head out yet Street?

onthestreet said...

SWAMPY SAID:You expect to be saved by obedience of law. If you fail at one point you are guilty of all. I didn't say that of my own. Look it up. 4/25/2006 2:21 PM

STREET'S Reply: And I didn't say what I just wrote "of my own". LOOK IT UP.


"f" woman (4/26/2006 3:59 PM):

If you are not virgin, your are OUT! Period! (Rev. 14:1):

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.