Sunday, February 12, 2006

FBI Subpoenas

What is the latest news on the convening of the Grand Jury? The last report I saw had 5 out of 66 subpoenas served. Have any others been served? When will the Grand Jury convene, or has it already happened. Fill us in if you have any info.

130 comments:

Anonymous said...

It is most likely the grand jury issued the subpoenas. Most likely grand jury is secret type where identies and location are kept secret to protect members of jury. When a grand jury is called it is to look into additional charges and violations, perhaps for Warren Jeffs or others. Racketeering, aiding fugatives, operating ilegal business, fraud, stolen property moved across state lines, and transporting minors across state lines for sexual purposes just to name a few things the grand jury could be looking at. They do this by issueing subpoenas.

For more info on grand juries try
http://www.courttv.com

http://www.findlaw.com

Anonymous said...

IT DID'NT HAPPEN!

furnace said...

Those that know ain't talking, and those that are talking don't know.

fttc said...

If the raid did not happen are work meetings still being held? Are we misinformed on that as well?

Furnace- I was afraid that was the case.

rhi said...

It happened...nobody will talk about it tho.

Haven't seen any work meetings since.

fttc said...

Rhi

Are they under a court order not to? Or is it just the normal denial and secrecy?

rhi said...

BOTH

The officials are sworn to secretcy. And the FLDS won't talk.

fttc said...

Since this discussion seems to be over before it began, let's change the subject. I heard that Wisan was shut down in his surveying of the property by the judge. Is this true? If so what is being done now to help those who so desire keep their home out of a tax sale?

Anonymous said...

the way to keep a property from tax sale is to pay the taxes, duh!

Bruce Wisan said...

I was not shut down by the judge. The surveying is currently going on in Hildale The crew are working 4/10 hour days and will be back on Monday. Thank you for your concern.

ATAR_i said...

Does anyone have the interest/time to set up an informational photo information site with mugs or snaps of the main players.

For instance - this link shows a picture of Seth Jeffs.

Photo of Seth and Lyle Jeffs

ATAR_i said...

Better one of Seth

ATAR_i said...

For anyone new to this board - this streaming video gives some background information.

Video

Anonymous said...

Thank Atar_i very interesting

ATAR_i said...

Your welcome. And I want to clarify that I don't want to see photos of mothers and children here - only the main players like deacons, or profits, or bodyguards, just the main players not the followers.

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Anonymous said...

http://nvpolygamy.blogspot.com

Feel free to post and comment.

mugwump said...

Atar-i,

Thank you for making the CBS program re polygamy available on this blog. Although many will deny and reject what has been revealed there are many others who are greatful for further enlightenment. Everything reported in this documentary is supported by a number of books that are available in many libraries.

ATAR_i said...

What ever happened to the 60 or so acres purchased in Mancos by David Allred for the church?

Anonymous said...

ATAR_i said...
What ever happened to the 60 or so acres purchased in Mancos by David Allred for the church?

Not much.

Atari where have you been. Thank you for the VIDEO. When did it air?

Winston has aged gracefully. So has Jane and Deb.

ATAR_i said...

Oh, just busy doing stuff - how about you?

Anonymous said...

Just been doing stuff too. Cooking, cleaning, cooking, cleaning and blogging.

ATAR_i said...

OK, I confess, I've found a slightly new obsession - I'm making jewelry!

Anonymous said...

That can be an expensive obsession. I could not do that craft, bad eyes.

By the way thanks for indentifing Lyle Jeffs. I wondered who the dark shaded dude was who whisk bad boy Seth away.

ATAR_i said...

Who is Lyle Jeffs? How did he wisk Seth away?

Yes, expensive, but I've found a way to help it partially pay for itself - to justify yet more supplies. UGH.

Anonymous said...

OK Atari....how did you know it was Lyle Jeffs? Where did you get this photo?

This photo was taken as the sun shade dude and Seth left from the federal building in Denver several months ago.

Believe Mike Watkiss got this video/photo of them coming from the building?

Good Bye!

ATAR_i said...

OK, it was a question - not a statement: "who is lyle jeffs? and how did he wisk seth away". It was in response to a previous post.

Why the exclamation (!) after the goodbye - are you mad?

Anonymous said...

ATAR_i said...
Who is Lyle Jeffs? How did he wisk Seth away?

2/23/2006 7:34 AM

I guess you can go back to where you got the photo and reread the story to answer your own question.

No I am not mad.

ATAR_i said...

I never gave the URL for the information I read. So how would you know which article I read?

You might not be mad - but you sure do assume a lot, and get a little snooty about things (like a teacher looking down their nose and telling someone to reread their Tom Sawyer book to find out how Anne of Green Gables gets to Avonlea).

FYI - the photo was obtained from a google image search.

mugwump said...

Actually I liked the graveyard scene at midnight where the whole purpose for being there was to use a dead cat to rid Tom & Huck of warts. The fence whitewash job was a good example of free enterprise at work. Of course the cave scene with Becky Thatcher was pretty thrilling too. But beyond any doubt, the cat and the pain killer incident was the delightful highlight of the whole book. Twain (Clements) was a master of the ridiculous.

ATAR_i said...

When I was younger, my sister and I got the whole movie on cassette tape and we would try to recreate the scenes - our personal favorite - the cave scene.

Where are you?

I'm here here here

Jodie Foster was an excellent Becky - and we were never able to recreate the echo - we really tried though.

Don't forget Injun Joe jumping through the courtroom window (I really love the visuals of the movie - I don't even know if that was in the book).

mugwump said...

The version that I saw was much earlier, probably made in the late 1930's or early 40's. by the time I saw the move I had read the book at least twice. I think I read Huckelberry Finn at least ten times and have lost my copy. It is no longer politically correct and therefore has become black-balled in "polite society" but, it was quiet a tale. It kept an imaginative little boy busy for hours. The scene where Huck is seeking innformation while dressed as a girl is classic. Huck would have received an Oscar for lying.

A fairly good picture of lifestyle in a bygone era before movies, arcades, and T.V. indicates that boys, and girls too, left to their own imagination can create a level of entertainment that is both fun and helps build healthy, happy lives. Reminds me of an early childhood with privys, baths in a washtub, biscuits cooked on a wood stove and drawing water from a cistern. Live was full but simple.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said...
Does anyone have the interest/time to set up an informational photo information site with mugs or snaps of the main players.
2/19/2006 9:00 AM

STREET'S Reply: No, but the National Security Administration has the interest, the time, and the wherewithal to collect the mugs and conversations and private matters of every U.S. citizen, and they're doing it.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said...
OK, I confess, I've found a slightly new obsession - I'm making jewelry! 2/22/2006 6:38 PM

STREET Reply: Confessions are good, but being obsessed may not be so good. Certainly instead of making stuff to gawd up our bodies, it would be better to make ourselves into jewels. You people agree?

Anonymous said...

Since I'm just clay in the Master's hand I can't make myself be anything. Even if I could, why would I want to. I'd rather let him take the clay and make of it what his will desires.

onthestreet said...

So well put, anonymous. See, it takes God after all, and the religion of heaven, to make us. You make my point extremely well. That was well put. But all this time, the world has been calling the FLDS Church criminals for casting out the abuser and being just clay or sheep for the Shepherd, while all along they were right after all.

Anonymous said...

Just remember this. My Master is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is not now, never has been nor ever will be Warren Jeffs or anyone whose shoes he (WJ) has filled nor anyone who aspires to fill his (WJ's)shoes.

Anon. 9:10

fttc said...

That was very well put. You make an excellent point and one the FLDS would do well to incorporate into their hearts and minds.

ATAR_i said...

OTS, yes perhaps I shouldn't make jewelry, I'll go out and molest some children, rob some friends and break a bucket load of laws so I can be more like warren (gee - I think I like my way better).

onthestreet said...

Yes, some have molested, robbed, and filled their buckets unlawfully. What did the Prophet do about it. "Gee", he cast them out. But for one to say "My Way" is better, did you mean the Lord's Way. Didn't he set the path for man to follow: "Thy will, Father, NOT MINE be done?

ATAR_i said...

He clearly hasn't cast out everyone because he's still there.

Anonymous said...

To be just, shouldn't Jeffs cast himself out? A wanted felon on the run from the law, looser in a civil case related to his having sexually assalted his own nephew, a thief who appropriated FLDS funds to finance his own dreams and fantasy.

Can this little man truly believe that anyone with any discernment would want to look up to him for anything?

Warren Jeffs is an abysimal failure at everything in life except the stroking of his own ego.

Anonymous said...

http://nvpolygamy.blogspot.com

It's back up.

onthestreet said...

ANONYMOUS (2/28/2006 10:49 PM):

Isn't that post just the tantrum of a 3-year old. Just guessing. How old are you? You have to remember that Jesus Christ was also "a wanted felon on the run", always hiding himself up, as the scriptures say, until his time come. Being wanted doesn't make anyone guilty of anything, except maybe those charging him for their own special interests, and we all know special interests are RAMPANT in Washington, as well as every state, yes? And what is the Prophet charged with? NOT sexual assault of a nephew. That fantasy has gone nowhere. His only "crime" is the committing of MATRIMONY for some 16-year olds, while God the Father sired the Son when Mary was TWELVE. Yes, Jesus the Son was a "looser" of many cases, as you put it, and our Father and God a criminal for siring children with one so young. But he won, did he not? Who indeed is the loser?

Then, the "thief" bit, "who appropriated FLDS Funds..." How stupid can that be. The presidents of organizations are the very ones who appropriate the funds.

See how stupid you're all sounding? Then you ask: "Can this little man truly believe that anyone with any discernment would want to look up to him for anything? How about 10,000 faithful followers, plus billions of the hosts of heaven. Who cares if you believe it or not. I do, though, for your own soul's sake.

Then you barf forth: "Warren Jeffs is an abysimal failure at everything..." Seems to me he's an abysmal failure at nothing, the founder of a city, the teacher of great mysteries, and the father of an entire generation. Who's the failure? Certainly, none of you, if you can see the light.

onthestreet said...

The ancient (and modern) age of adulthood to the Jewish Tradition, as directed by the Lord, is TWELVE.
They call it the Bat Mitzvah.

onthestreet said...

The term refers to the child who is coming OF AGE, and it is strictly correct to refer to someone as "becoming a bar (or bat) mitzvah." However, the term is more commonly used to refer to the coming of age ceremony itself, and you are more likely to hear that someone is "having a bar mitzvah."

Under Jewish Law, children are not obligated to observe the commandments, although they are encouraged to do so as much as possible to learn the obligations they will have as adults. At the AGE OF 13 (12 for girls), children become obligated to observe the commandments. The bar mitzvah ceremony formally marks the assumption of that obligation, along with the corresponding right to take part in leading religious services, to count in a minyan (the minimum number of people needed to perform certain parts of religious services), to form binding contracts, to testify before religious courts AND TO MARRY.

SEE, AGE 12 FOR GIRLS, "THE RIGHT TO MARRY"

This law of God goes back thousands of years. It's THE LAW and the COMMANDMENT of God. So who is any legislature of Grand Jury to violate God, and to "Forbid to marry". That is a direct violation and crime against eternal law:

I Timothy 4:

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

onthestreet said...

By the way, you will find this information on a Jewish website. I cannot be refuted or changed. It is the eternal law, here and now, the law of the land, and nothing will change it:

http://www.jewfaq.org/barmitz.htm

onthestreet said...

typo: Should read: "IT" cannot be refuted.

ATAR_i said...

Yeah, I guess I would like to live by the laws of some societies - but your a Cherry Picker and are just picking and choosing the laws from different lands at different times you want to obey.

I'm guessing you wouldn't be so keen on following ALL the acceptable situations from that time - just THAT one.

I'd like to remind you of a few things.

1. You don't even like to obey the laws of today
2. Whatever it might have been in the past - it's rape today.
3. You're not even Jewish

I think you just do what you want to do - and jusify it however you want to. Trying here to justify it with cultural mores is a joke. Those might have been the values then and thus acceptable. But they aren't the values now, and thus unacceptable.

So, don't complain when the soldiers drag you off for defying the laws and cultures of today (they punished lawbreakers back then too). You're lucky - the values of today mean we don't get to behead you, or hang you upside down from a cross (you just have to go to jail).

ATAR_i said...

putz

Anonymous said...

Well, I can tell you for sure that if and when Jeffs ever is brought to trial and evidence presented is sufficient to convict little jeffy is a "has been."

You don't know enough about Jesus to make any comment. Repeatedly during the last journey from Galilee to Jerusalem Jesus told his diciples that when he arrived in Jerusalem he was to undergo all the trials that are historically documented and Biblically. He repeatedly said that he was going to be tried by both Jewish and Roman authorities and then crucified. In the final apearance before the Roman Governor Pilate stated that he found no fault with Him, but to appease the crowd he released Barrabas and gave Jesus over to be crucified.

Praise God that was not the end of the event. On the third day Jesus arose from the grave, was seen over a period of forty days by upward of 500 people. The whole purpose of his life was to experience this trial, this unjust conviction, this cruel crucifixion and being buried in a borrowed tomb was to demonstrate to man that He, Jesus, had conquered death, thereby atoning for the full redemption of man from the curse of Adam's sin, past, present and future.

That Jesus was on the run is a statement from someone who wants to claim authority but simply doesn't have the necessary tools to establish credibility.

Anonymous said...

No wonder little jeffy has such a percecution complex and such gigantic ego. With OTS acting as his masseur jeffy is constantly being stroked, petted, pampered, pitted and on the run.

By the way, Jeffs lost the molestation case by default. Evidence was presented to substantiate the claim but jeffy thought so little of the incident he didn't show up in court to present evidence in rebuttal. As far as the court record is concerned jeffy is guilty.

Faithful Woman said...

Street

You might want to review those numbers of FLDS again.....they may have been 10,000 at the peak of prosperity, but wj has been quickly diminishing the number.

onthestreet said...

3/02/2006 1:34 PM

FWs, I'm just saying that the YFZ community is INDEED a hunting lodge hunting souls, and there are INDEED 10,000 today who believe, castouts or not. So you may want to review your facts, for they are still 10,000 who follow him today, at a peak of prosperity, and climbing, forever climbing.

onthestreet said...

Atari Said (3/02/2006 7:59 AM): Yeah, I guess I would like to live by the laws of some societies - but your a Cherry Picker and are just picking and choosing the laws from different lands at different times you want to obey. I'm guessing you wouldn't be so keen on following ALL the acceptable situations from that time - just THAT one. I think you just do what you want to do - and jusify it however you want to. Trying here to justify it with cultural mores is a joke. Those might have been the values then and thus acceptable. But they aren't the values now, and thus unacceptable. So, don't complain when the soldiers drag you off for defying the laws and cultures of today (they punished lawbreakers back then too). You're lucky - the values of today mean we don't get to behead you, or hang you upside down from a cross (you just have to go to jail). I'd like to remind you of a few things.

1. You don't even like to obey the laws of today.
2. Whatever it might have been in the past - it's rape today.
3. You're not even Jewish
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STREET’s Reply: It will not do for SAINTS to only live the legitimate laws of SOME societies, for God requires all of his laws to be lived. So that’s your first error, thinking that the FLDS are cherry-picking legitimate laws of the land. Then you say that “those might be values of the past… but not today. Most people will agree that God is eternal, and that His laws and values are eternal and change NOT, and that the FLDS Church lives and exists for that purpose. The very fact that your values change shows conclusively that they are NOT LEGITIMATE, since they change at the whim and according to the faulty mentalities of man, and are thus unacceptable. Now for your three other points:

1.We are just about the only people who DO obey the laws of today, and they include the laws against murder and adultery. Anyone in our society who committs adultery or murders a little child in abortion or otherwise, is cast out. Your society coddles both the murderer of little children and adultery. Who obeys the laws of today, pray tell?

2.So the changing laws and criminal mindset of society today have also transformed marriage into rape.

3.LDS Article of Faith 9: We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and
important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. That means, whether he reveals them to the Jews, the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Mormons, the Christians, the Muslims, the Athiests, the Scientists, the Artists, the Tradesmen, the Polititians, or to anyone else, if it is TRUTH reveals by God, that is part of our religious belief, and we believe it religiously. So yes, I AM Jew and Christian, Muslim and Hindu, whether you like it or not.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous (3/02/2006 10:48 AM): Anyone who has studied Jesus all their lives, and even had many things revealed to her (or him) personally, “KNOWS ENOUGH ABOUT JESUS TO COMMENT. Now, you can relate the story about him until you’re blue in the face, but if you reject what he taught you about marriage and his many women, and asking that we let the little children come, and about immaculate relations condemning the adulterer, and about crimes against your own wives and your neighbors’ wives, then ALL IS VAIN FOR YOU. Then you say: “That Jesus was on the run is a statement from someone who wants to claim authority but simply doesn't have the necessary tools to establish credibility”.

Book of John, Chapter 8, (KJV)8:59: “Then took they up stones to cast at him: BUT JESUS HID HIMSELF, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by”. Apparently, you just want to claim authority, but simply lack the necessary tools to establish credibility.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous (3/02/2006 10:58 AM): Maybe it is YOU who is feeling so persecuted that you have to reply that way. The Prophet has NEVER said anything about himself feeling persecuted. It’s not in any of his words OR ACTIONS anywhere. He’s simply living his life, and living it well. Maybe this is what perturbs you so much, you lacking so much yourself, yes? Well, I wish you well. How can a man be living at home, and be “on the run” as you put it??? You’re just not credible, are you? As for him “losing” a case because he won’t go barging headlong into a vicious court, but hides himself in the Lord like Jesus Himself did in His Lord, again your credibility is quite waning, yes? There is NEVER guilt when there is no guilt, regardless of how high of a court may declare otherwise.

12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.” That is very basic to both our belief and our practice. It is an LDS Article Of Faith. So in not barging headlong into a vicious court, but letting them rules however they will rule, and still honoring and sustaining the law in our lives and activities, we practice what we believe.

onthestreet said...

To be "subject" to rulers of the land is NOT to allow them to shoot you in the head. It is to allow them to fulfill the legitimate practices of their office.

onthestreet said...

When they are working to take your life or freedom away, because there was a wedding, go figure. That is shooting you in the head, and is NOT the legitimate practice of their office.

So, the moment you step foot inside such a court for any other case, they are ready to shoot. Or, they already know the legitmacy of his cause, and are just playing it out to appease the public, Pilote-like.

onthestreet said...

Marriageat 12-years old: It is the law of the land. It’s the ancient tradition and the Word of God itself, eternal, meaning that it is both never ending and applicable in every land. God’s word applies to all. What is “Land”? The Hebrew for “Land” is “Erets”, which means “Earth”. So it is the law of the earth, which is God’s, and His Word and tradition applies to all who are worthy and capable of properly caring for such youth. The FLDS have proven that throughout their existence, and the government of the land has acknowledged it, leaving them be for over 50 years to take care of their boys and girls in birth, in adolescence, in marriage, and beyond, and they see fit, being fit according to their own acknowledgements. The Greek for “land” is “Asitia”, which means “abstinance”. So the law of the land is the law of the God’s earth, and according to His Word, and the law pertaining to those who are required by the Lord of the earth to abstain. The Prophet requires all men, when he seals them in marriage, to abstain. He tells each one: “Don’t you dare touch that girl”. Many can attest to this fact. And he casts them out whenever they violate that vow. All creatures on the earth procreate at the start of the menstrual-cycle, so it is the law required by the Lord OF THOSE WHO ABSTAIN. If the boy isn’t pure, matured, and abstaining by age 13, or the girl at age 12, or for other reasons, then they aren’t married, for “land” means “abstain”. So this is obviously the law of the land for a girl at age 12. It is according to the very language and constitution of man, the language being “Erets” and “Asitia” for land, and the constitution of man being the menstrual-cycle around the age of 12. That is our constitution. It is how we are constituted or made.

There are another half-dozen terms for “land” that relate to marriage, that you will find very interesting. I will probable not include them all in this post, for brevity sake, but will save them for another post. But here is one more: Another Hebrew term for “land” is “Adamah”, which means “Husband”. So the law of the land requires marriage and procreation at that age, of those who abstain. Conception is not to be like the dogs that Christ cast out, but Immaculate like he himself was conceived. The Greek is “Aidos”, which means “Modesty, awe, and reverence toward God. So if a 12-year old girl is modest and reverencial, NOT IMMORAL, then she is ready, according to the law of the land. Any legislator or judge who says otherwise is criminal against the law, and incompetent, for these laws are written in the very language and constitution of man.

There is much more, which I will add later.

Anonymous said...

guess

Anonymous said...

Much ado about nothing. And no doubt you will.

OTS continues to bloviate in an effort to convince himself of the justification of abhorrent acts performed by of his tiny prophet little jeffy. By taking scripture out of context, justifying unexceptable behavior today by reference to long since dead practices of ancient times he just paints himself into a tighter corner. Longivity and the greater assurance of an individual attaining a more advanced age in the modern world has made the necessity of children needing to become mothers at puberty is nonsense. Sixteen or seventeen is still too young to accept the full responsability of parenting today. The child of a union between mature adults is much less apt to be neglected, to learn the benefits of genuine love, will learn vales that can make both the parent and child more comfortable because the parent wasn't robbed of childhood and the child is not part of a mass production cult. But then if one considers women and children to be breeding stock and the bargaining chips to gain a higher position in the priesthood, what can you expect.

The banning of all laughter and forms of entertinment is unnatural. Joy and laughter are healthy expressions of a happy home, marriage and childhood. Caution needs to be urged in oversight to ensure that "play" is not harmful physically or morally but "play" is normal to development of character and personality. The order to ban laughter has removed the expression of the joy of life. Only a despot with a severe personality defect would order such a thing.

Anonymous said...

So OTS now aspires to become a member of the Supreme Court! Wow, am I impressed. I guess jeffy can be his clerk. I see it now, all decisions are decided by 8 to 1 because OTS & jeffy don't know jack about law, the intrepetation thereof or just what law enforcement is designated to be and do.

Remember little old Joe S. & Co. were hatched out of the era of the Great Awakening, from which spun a multitude of non-reformist groups, many have become mainstream denominations within out borders. This phenomea occcurred AFTER the U.S. had gained independence from England. It wasn't joe & company that won America's Independence, they have demonstrated an anti-Americanism toward marriage and race.

If they want total independence why don't they take some of the money they stole from FLDS and buy themselves an island in the South Pacific. I mean wouldn't that , according to their myths take them part way back to Israel, from whence they claim to have come. They just demonstrate that they have a great need to take all the hard won freedoms as their own without assuming the responsibilities of citizenship.

Grow up.

fttc said...

What is a non-reformist group? I thought the purpose of the BOM and other teachings from JS were intended to reform. In fact the whole religion of mormonism IS a reformation of all others. You may not like the new form it took, but you have to admit it was a drastic change from the religions of the day.

BTW, I have to make a disclaimer that although warren and co. started out from the religion of "Joe S. and Co." you cannot in truth lay the teachings of warren at the feet of JS. Warren has turned many of his teachings upside down. While there may be threads of the truth JS taught intermingled, warren has egregiously perverted them beyond recognition from a true fundamentalist veiwpoint.

Anonymous said...

I may have used the wrong terminology.

To me a non-reformist would be from a group that did now owe it's beginnings to having sprung from a denomination sparked by the reformation. Reformist therefore would include those who, including Luther, led their particular group to break with the Roman Catholics. Maybe I should have called them Calvanists, but Calvin was a part of the Reformation. Hyper-Calvanists include those who believe that they have a very strict set of rules to which they must adhere in order to remain in the fellowship of their particular sect. To fail to do so gains them strong accusations and admonishment. They are never able to make up their short-fall in the eyes of the fellowship, but are considered to they dying day as being of lesser value.

Armenists believe in God's Grace, but believe in doing good works too. They believe that their good works are essential to their salvation. They also believe that a professing Christian can fall from grace. My problem with this idea is that an individual can decide on a day by day basis whether he or she wants to be saved or lost. Where is God in this equation?

There are many groups within the U.S. that would fall into one of these two categories.

A third group are those who believe that salvation cannot be earned, but is a gift of God. These teach that God's gift to man is then to be reflected by the good works of the man whom God has saved. It is God whom is glorified by these good works therefore His sacrifice on the cross was not in vain, but is being demonstrated by those who believe and trust in Him for their salvation. How? By the exlemplary though imperfect lives his children live.

There are other groups, including Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses who have a completely different understanding of who God and Jesus are.

I take your exception re. wj vs. js to heart. I hope that you are right. Maybe you can answer a very puzzling question regarding FLDS vs. LDS.

If I were to believe OTS's statements as being current Fundamentalist Morman theology then I have to think that the FLDS has departed from calling itself the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Has FLDS as a whole renounced the diety of Jesus? OTS profound statements are so rambling and incoherant it is hard to tell if he speaks for the group or only in his own behalf or in behalf of Jeffs and his immediate cronies. Can you answer this question?

ATAR_i said...

OTS - the age that a girl is married is not a 'law of God'.

But of course - I think the pseudo prophet warren might have made one up - emphasis on MADE ONE UP.

Anonymous said...

In the "Truth" magazines, there are editorials about the sinful nature of delaying marriage once one is of an age to bear children. So taken to an extreme, if a girl can biologically have a child at 12, it is sinful to wait until she is older.

I'm not supporting underage marriages, but I am pointing out history.

Uncle Roy got to where he privately condemned underaged marriages to those that would listen to him, yet he allowed it when pressured. In one case, a man pressured him for a young girl, and immediately after the bridal salute, he retorted "I hope that makes you happy, now!" That sure is a holy way to start out a marriage.

ATAR_i said...

What is a "Truth" magazine?

Anonymous said...

ditto atar_i's question

fttc said...

Atar's question first. The Truth magazine was a publication printed by the leaders of the fundamentalist Mormon movement in the 1930-mid '40s. It contained the rebuttals to the claims of the LDS church that these men were liars. It mostly contains reprints of discourses from the early history
(JS, BY and John Taylor period) of Mormonism with editorials on various topics of faith. About this time the LDS church called on all the faithful members to bring their old books in and had them destroyed. There is a lot in the old discourses that causes the current LDS leaders embarrassment. The Truth magazine was an attempt to keep those teachings from being smothered among the people. At the time it was printed having them in your home was reason for excomunication from the LDS church.

For anonymous 5:03. Thanks for your explanation. I understand what you meant by non-reformist now.

I have been out of the loop of the FLDS for going on six years and things were changing so fast then I could not tell you where they are now. At that time warren was teaching that Jesus was the son God, but also was somehow His (God's) father as well. Somewhat of a twist on the Catholic idea of the deity. Three in one and one in Three. I don't think they have thrown Jesus away as a character in their deity, they have just superceded his teachings with new revelations.

Street's purposes here are obviously not to explain anything. He is perhaps trying to create diversions to get the heat off of warren. He will say anything that he feels will accomplish his purpose. He perhaps does not realize his ramblings are turning more people against warren than toward him.

Or on the other hand, maybe he does. Perhaps OTS is someone who really wants to destroy warren and so is painting him to be even more screwed up than he really is. It is anyone's guess. Either Atar is correct in assuming Street has multiple personalities or he is a very intelligent person portraying himself as such.

ATAR_i said...

fttc - someone suggested that there are multiple writers who use the OTS nickname when they post - perhaps using the same computer.

I actually think this is the most plausible explanation for his wildly different communication abilities.

I think the most frequent poster could be male or female (probably male), and the infrequent poster, who appears to be mentally stable and rational - posts infrequently and could be a spouse.

Or, if it truly is one person - I don't think anyone can fake mental instability like that. I believe that OTS is imblanaced enough that potentially - it is the same person - with different identities inside.

I don't think he is the mouthpiece of warren - more like the byproduct of warren.

Of course, those are just best guesses - perhaps he will reveal himself some time.

ATAR_i said...

fttc - someone suggested that there are multiple writers who use the OTS nickname when they post - perhaps using the same computer.

I actually think this is the most plausible explanation for his wildly different communication abilities.

I think the most frequent poster could be male or female (probably male), and the infrequent poster, who appears to be mentally stable and rational - posts infrequently and could be a spouse.

Or, if it truly is one person - I don't think anyone can fake mental instability like that. I believe that OTS is imblanaced enough that potentially - it is the same person - with different identities inside.

I don't think he is the mouthpiece of warren - more like the byproduct of warren.

Of course, those are just best guesses - perhaps he will reveal himself some time.

onthestreet said...

ANONYMOUS Said (3/03/2006 9:48 AM): The banning of all laughter and forms of entertinment is unnatural. Joy and laughter are healthy expressions of a happy home, marriage and childhood. Caution needs to be urged in oversight to ensure that "play" is not harmful physically or morally but "play" is normal to development of character and personality. The order to ban laughter has removed the expression of the joy of life. Only a despot with a severe personality defect would order such a thing.


STREET’S Reply: Well, what does the Lord say? After all, he is our prime examplt, THE WAY, is he not?

“And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts (Gal. 5:24).

www.bereanpublishers.com/Deception:And We All Fall Down... is a common assumption that spontaneous laughing, Spirit-induced impairment ... 2 Chronicles 5:14 (KJV) So that the priests could not stand to minister ... As we look at this subject we must also remember that there is a common assumption that spontaneous laughing, Spirit-induced impairment of physical and mental faculties and uncontrollable falling, are all part and parcel of today’s mindset of what is supposed to happen when the power of God touches people.

D&C 88:120. That your aincomings• may be in the name of the Lord; that your outgoings may be in the name of the Lord; that all your salutations may be in the name of the Lord, with buplifted• hands unto the Most High.

121. Therefore, acease• from all your light speeches, from all blaughter•, from all your clustful desires, from all your dpride and light-mindedness, and from all your wicked doings.

Ahh, so now we see that the Prophet Warren Jeffs was RIGHT ALL ALONG. It is indeed the Word of the Lord Himself, if not according to your scriptures, certainly according to ours, but then according to yours too (Gal. 5:24, and other Biblical admonitions to all who would be saved. If you don’t care to be saved, then that clearly exposes your true motive in belittling the Prophet on such matters.

Here is another example, and there are many, IN YOUR OWN SCRIPTURE. So is defying the Prophet, you can clearly see that you are defying your own Redeemer:

James 4:7. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

9. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your LAUGHTER BE TURNED to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.

10. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

onthestreet said...

This does not preclude joy, for NOTHING is more joyful than a peaceful heart and mind and surroundings. When you have giddy laughter and light-mindedness, it takes you directly away from the importance and depth of spirit in the Lord. This is all Uncle Warren is talking about. No people is happier than the YFZ community. I KNOW. I got a small taste of it in Colorado City for forty years, before the depth of inner joy grew to the point of casting out all that offend, and moving further away from such worldliness, narrowness, and stupidity.

onthestreet said...

TYPO (last paragraph o3/04/2006 8:22 PM): So "IN" defying the Prophet...

So IN defying the Prophet, you can clearly see that you are defying your own Redeemer:

James 4:7. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

9. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your LAUGHTER BE TURNED to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.

onthestreet said...

ATAR_i said... fttc - someone suggested that there are multiple writers who use the OTS nickname when they post - perhaps using the same computer.I actually think this is the most plausible explanation for his wildly different communication abilities.

STREET’s Reply: I have revealed myself already, but you having eyes to see but see not, and ears to hear but hear not, must forever continue guessing into eternity. I am one, but in me are male and female, rich and poor, small and great.

onthestreet said...

I SAID ON 3/02/2006 11:44 PM:
The Greek is “Aidos”, which means “Modesty, awe, and reverence toward God. So if a 12-year old girl is modest and reverencial, NOT IMMORAL, then she is ready, according to the law of the land. Any legislator or judge who says otherwise is criminal against the law, and incompetent, for these laws are written in the very language and constitution of man. There is much more, which I will add later.

So, to continue on the proper age for a girl to marry, in an “ultraconservative society” where abstinance and immaculate conditions is the law of the land, the Bat Mitzvah is marriage at age 12, which is God’s eternal law, meaning that it’s eternal. It never changes:

Still another Hebrew term for “Land” is “Be-low”, which means in the Hebrew: “Tribute”. The Greek is “Ge” (Ghay), which means “soil”. So marriage at age 12 is the law of tribute or to (con)tribute to God’s continual creation, and the law of the soil. The soil is the body in which the seed is planted, and that holy, immaculately, not as you would do after the manner of dogs. She is just coming into her prime adulthood at age 12, where her soil is most fertile and ready, according to the Word of God and nature itself.

So, this is the law of the land or the law of the Lord. “Land” and “Lord both begin and end with the same fires or the same lights. So they shall both have the same beginning and end, showing that the law of the land shall become the Law of the Lord. What could be more appropriate and lawful? The beginning is Lamed, and the end is Dalet. Lamed is “Contemplation of the heart”, and Dalet is “Selflessness”. Who does this more than young 12-year old girls just entering into adulthood and the prospects of motherhood?” Nothing is more powerful, and nothing is less stoppable than that urge or motherhood, and especially at that age. Why? God plants our holy urges and desires, no one else. All the armies that ever marched cannot stop it.

Now, we are still on “Lamed”, the first letter or light of the “Land”: Lamed is the TWELVTH LETTER (12) of the Hebrew alphabet. The root of any word is the first letter. So the very root of “Land” and the law of the land is TWELVE, and the age of 12 in regards to marriage.

Second Letter in “Land” is the Alef. Alef’s light is “Paradox of God and Man”, the upper and lower waters with a firmament in between. A 12-year old girl is just that. She is just coming into those waters. The upper waters are her tears of joy at such a prospect of motherhood, and the lower waters are called “the waters of bitterness”, her flow. The firmament in between is her silent and waiting heart. So you see, within the law of the land itself, the very constitution of the word, as well as the very constitution of man (the menstrual flow), 12-year old marriage is prescribed, God’s eternal law upon the land. Nothing can change that, and any judge or legislator who tries proves his absolute incompetence.

So far, we have only covered the Lamed and the Alef of “Land”. There is still the “N” and the “D”, the Nun and the Dalet. For brevity’s sake, I will add these later, and more on the Hebrew language regarding the “Land”.

ATAR_i said...

OTS

I have left clues,
you cannot see,
I guess that makes you,
a little like me

onthestreet said...

No, choosing to ignore such "clues" does not make one blind.

fttc said...

Perhaps not, but it does make conversation seem a little incoherent.

onthestreet said...

Oftentimes, a void is crucial to give you space, that ye may ponder.

onthestreet said...

I said on 3/04/2006 9:22 PM:

So far, we have only covered the Lamed and the Alef of “Land”. There is still the “N” and the “D”, the Nun and the Dalet. For brevity’s sake, I will add these later, and more on the Hebrew language regarding the “Land”.

TO CONTINUE: Hebrew, German, Greek, Aramaic, even in English and in all languages, The letters all contain THE SAME FIRES OR LIGHTS. Each letter in any alphabet has a unique fire within it, so that you may know any language, and any nation may know God. The four lights of the “L-A-N-D” are Lamed, Alef, Nun, and Dalet. Pretty simple, really. We will now continue where we left off, in disclosing the constitutional truth regarding the Law of the Land, that age 12 is the Bat Mitzvah, the ancient and eternal age of “coming out” of childhood and aloneness, into adulthood and marriage union:

Nun’s fire is “Redeemer, Heir to the Throne. Her marriage redeems her estate, and gives her access to a throne. In the Aramaic, the language of Christ, the Nun means “Fish in the Water”. At age 12, she has bitter waters, and the “Fisher of Men” (Christ) is ready to bring forth the souls of men through her royal estate, forever and ever, her conception of families and kingdoms.

Dalet’s fire: The final fire of “Land”, and the Law of the Land, is Dalet (the “D”). The fire of “Dalet” is “Selflessness”. She has now conceived, and is ready to enter into the royal estate of selflessness, like God Himself in His sacrifice for us all. She too will sacrifice her very blood for her kingdom, like ALL women begin to do in their monthly cycle, if only they can bring forth the fruit. “For of such is the Kingdom of Heaven’. Dalet also means “Door”, so the law of the land is that the girl should enter through the door into her house at age twelve. The “twelve” is in the very root and constitution of the Word (“Land”), for the “L” is the TWELVTH letter, and the constitution of man, for age twelve is when the waters are formed for the “Fisher of Men” (Christ).

This is a good place to start another post. I really don’t like my posts to be too long. A foot is better than a mile.

onthestreet said...

So these are the meanings of the letters of the Word “Land”. Once you learn the alphabet, you will see it. Otherwise, it is the blind leading the blind. In kindergarten, or I home-schooling like the FLDS do, you learn the “alphabet”. So far, you people do not know the alphabet, but this is a start. If you did, you wouldn’t question the FLDS marriages, for your very language and your very nature exalts everything they do. An FLDS education is so far advanced that it would truly boggle the mind, seeing how even your false conceptions of them boggle your minds. A light on a hill cannot be hid.

Now, TO CONTINUE: There is something else about Dalet (and there will ALWAYS be something else about every letter, every doctrine, and every crisis in the Work of God, for He is eternal. It never ends. “Dalet” is the forth letter. So the girl has conceived and has started her own house, her own kingdom, at age twelve (remember, the House of God is TWELVE: twelve tribes, twelve constellations, etc…). So, Dalet being “four”, she is not complete until she IS four, or HAS four, in her house to rule: Her husband which is the energy or light of the house, and three wives, which are the mother paths, letters, or veils on the Tree of Life (life-force vs life-form).

This is the pattern of creation of all matter on earth and in heaven. So at least three-wives are absolutely required, in order to at least have the veils, and to see beyond the veil, JUST LIKE THE PROPHET SAID. Twenty-seven fill up the matrix: 22 letters, and 5 finals, or final exams. Each and all is a test. This pattern, science itself has proven, beginning with the gene. 27 minus the four initiating members is 23. Our genes are arranged on the chromosome, and each cell has two-sets of 23 chromosomes.

There you have it: Four fires of God’s Word, in this case the word “Land”, the law of the land regarding the marriage of twelve-year old girls. Like I said before, any judge or legislator who violates that law is the most incompetent, and subject to the impeachment and wrath of God Himself. He is the master of it all, and guards it most jealously (1 Timothy 4:1-3). So it’s not at all like you’re innocent. Your about as innocent as a baby’s butt before diaper change.


It’s all in the Bible Code, the eternal law. A code is a law. All codes and names were given through Adam, in a Garden paradise. And now the earth returns to its paradisical glory. Only a few short months, and it is finished. That is how SHORT the time is. Many have wearied in well-doing, unwise virgins or former virgins (saints), while the wise virgin of today goes to the finish-line, Yearning For Zion: Blessed be those who shall be found watching (or Yearning) at my coming in that day, for they shall be saved:

Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not

Every dispensation consists of five groups or diaspera’s, those who were wise, and those who were not. I will cover FIVE VIRGINS in another post, but first I will finish (in another post), the other Hebrew definitions of the God’s Word “Land”, as I promised earlier.

onthestreet said...

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ATAR_i said...

It's interesting - If you can't figure who I am - your ignoring it (let's just forget the other threads where you bash your skull against the virtual blog walls trying to guess and fail).

Yet if I can't figure it out who you are - I'm blind.

Ahem, send the mentally stable OTS back (it must be your wife). Does it ever bother you that her brain is more powerful and healthy that yours?

ATAR_i said...

OTS - you mis-spelled Land

This word takes its room from the word lendh which has an indo European root.

In etymology, a root comprises the core form of a word, often in a primitive attestation or even in a reconstruction. root forms have importance in deducing the structure of language families.

I expect better work from someone who is trying to Get the secret code".

Anonymous said...

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, woopie, sic 'em

Anonymous said...

OTS, dude what ever your smoking has fried your mind. Dude get help, lay off the weed, crack or what ever else your smoking!

Get sober dude!

Anonymous said...

Hey OTS, did you lose your family cause you were molesting your daughters or something???

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said
This was a LOT of money for these charges. Where do 19 year old boys get this kind of bail money?

If they didn't have cash for the bail, then who had enough property to offer as a bond? 1/16/2006 11:39 PM

STREET'S Reply: Alot of small minds, stumbling over a gnat and swallowing a camel whenever the child of anybody remotely FLDS has growing pains, and scrapes up enough to try and better his situation in life. You have to wonder who the real perverts are, and the real criminal, seeing how they wallow so low, yes?

2/16/2006 8:35 PM

Anonymous notes druggies usually defend druggies.

Anonymous said...

Western Precision....

Are those the guys that made the o-ring on the Challenger?

ATAR_i said...

Yeah - they are aren't they.

fttc said...

Actually that was Hyropak. It was a company held primarily by the Fundamentalist group but it was another set of men.

BTW, Hydropak was totally cleared of any resposibility in the accident. The problem with the O-rings was in the engineering by NASA, not in the manufacture of the seals.

ogre said...

I remember when the shuttle exploded. We watched the launch on tv at school. After that, the men at hydropak were very nervous and there were federal agents all over the place asking questions. Turns out the air temperature at Cape Canaveral was in thelow 30's and the cold air made the seals brittle

Anonymous said...

They were nervous before launch. Lloyd Wall tried telling NASA not to lauch.

Anonymous said...

Loyd Wall was one of the brains behind Hydropak.

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to Lloyd Wall?

onthestreet said...

Well, maybe he LAUNCHED.

As for 3/06/2006 9:19 AM, no I never had any use for the brain-smashing chemicals. It's just that when a boy gets in trouble, and manages to begin getting himself out of trouble, that some people start going up in smoke. Then, they're the ones that are smokin.

onthestreet said...

MARRIAGE AT AGE 12: THE LAW OF THE LAND

I said on 3/05/2006 4:49 AM:

Every dispensation consists of five groups or diaspera’s, those who were wise, and those who were not. I will cover FIVE VIRGINS in another post, but first I will finish (in another post), the other Hebrew definitions of the God’s Word “Land”, as I promised earlier.

Now, let’s continue where we left off, regarding the marriage of true virgins at the age of 12. Of course, some of them are married at birth, and some at the age of 6. But that must be the topic of another post. Let me start by making AN OBSERVATION:

You fokes there in Eldorado are right at the door of something very, very great. It is something that this world has never yet seen since Adam, the winding up scene pointing right to Zion itself, in very word, name, and deed. And why there? Why El-dor-ado? “El” is “the”, and “God”. Thus: “The Door”, or “God’s Door”.

Anonymous said...

Street said....You fokes there in Eldorado are right at the door of something very, very great. It is something that this world has never yet seen since Adam, the winding up scene pointing right to Zion itself, in very word, name, and deed. And why there? Why El-dor-ado? “El” is “the”, and “God”. Thus: “The Door”, or “God’s Door”.

3/09/2006 6:25 AM

Oh, boy. El Dorado-you gonna love this Street Spanish-The City of Gold.

As for being right at the door of something very, very great. Well we are on the same parallel as the real Jeruselem and City of Zion, Israel.


Just thought to remind you of that when on the real judgement day comes and the Lord will not hold me accountable for your folly.

Anonymous said...

Street ALSO SAID...Now, let’s continue where we left off, regarding the marriage of true virgins at the age of 12. Of course, some of them are married at birth, and some at the age of 6.


Let me remind you. That is illegal in Texas my feind.

onthestreet said...

Another Hebrew term for “Land” is “Yabbasha”, which means “dry ground, to make dry”. When God created the world, He could not plant the seed until there was dry ground (third day). The “Ab” in “Yabbasha” means “Father”. The “Shah” is a ruler. These elements of the term prove that the boy and girl are to become rulers of a tribe or house of Israel WHEN the ground is dry or ready for the seed. That is around the age of twelve, for all gynecologists know that she, the soil, is fertile and ready for the seed around that time. Indeed, it hardly takes a gynecologist to figure that out. Since Yabbasha is Land, and means “dry ground”, age 12 IS THE LAW OF THE LAND for true virgins to marry. It is in the very constitution of BOTH the creature and the language.

The Greek for Land (in this sense) is “Lego”, which means “To lay forth, extend, and break the silence”. The girl is laid forth, her self is extended into a family kingdom, and the baby breaks the silence. So this IS THE LAW OF THE LAND for a girl at age 12, for “Lego” is Land.

Still another Hebrew term for “Land” is “Cemadar” (See My Dear), meaning “abloom, to take hold and establish”. A girl is abloom at age 12, and there is no girl on the earth who doesn’t want to be established. That curiosity and desire is the greatest at that age. It peaks. So again, it is in the very language and constitution of man, and any judge or legislator who violates that cuts himself off (I Tim. 4:3):

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The Greek is “Chorizo”, which means: “To go away, depart”. See! It is in the very language and constitution of man. The true virgin at age 12 is to depart the family with her husband. Need we continue?

Another Hebrew term for “Land” is “Saday”, (see the day), which means: “To spread out, expand, multiply, wild, country”. When creatures can finally multiply, THEY DO. You see, it is BOTH the law of the country, and the law of the wild, just like the language says it is, and these languages go back for thousands of years. Thus, legitimate countries and all nature abide the legitimate law. All else is incompetent and illegitimate, and is thrown down. Are the storms and terrors and pandemics of today a throwing down. You decide.

I dreamed last night. I saw the FLDS Elders gathered around a table, spitting. The Gospel ordinances or laws are innumerable, without end, for God is endless. Even spitting is an ordinance (Habbikut 2:16, Rev. 3:16). The world is ripe for a right good spanking, right across the ass (the land), by the hand of God, leaving a big red spot the shape of a hand, permanently like a tatoo. Then perhaps, you can be branded as His, like a good lamby.

The ass is the land, Ass-iyah, Idumea, or the world. So the law of the land is the law of the ass, and the Lord will ride ya like He did the donkey into Jerusalem. Even the ass will be tamed: “Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess”.

ATAR_i said...

So what you're saying is...

(it'll take me a second to decode since you included so much translation - thanks).

You want to play Lego's and eat Mexican treats when you go on your trip

onthestreet said...

Can you count your fingers and toes? These, plus the tongue and the procreative organs of man and woman, make 22, the 22 letters of the Hebrew tongue. These are the farthest appendages of the body of Christ (the wives), farthest meaning extension or eternal increase. These are the paths or the letters of His Word leading to that increase, and the men of His House are the lights within the letters of the Word, like the fires of the candlestick in the tempe. The candle represents life-form, the female in whose womb life is formed; the light represents life-force, the male in whose energy life comes. So, when you learn your ABC’s, and learn to count to 10, you will be able to measure infinity.

The men or lights of the minion are linked by the 22 paths of the circuit. Only then do you have a circuit, and the spirit can then flow. An individual man or woman are also a tree, a spirit-filled minion that gives them life. But they must be linked into an eternal order, sealing 22 women, or ten men with up to 22 wives in one entity, to one man. Yes, men marrying men. Here is where Paul is correct again, when he said: “We are all things to all men”. Talk about scandal! Go complain to God about it. It is the very Tree of Life, he Manorah, the Candlestick in the Temple.

Are we gay? Of course, everyone likes to be happy. All people are gay, when they are not sad. Just because you are all unable to be gay with so many joyful women and children around you, does not mean that all communities must be so miserable. Our gaity and multiple unions are pure (sexually pure), and such love makes the world go round.

“Gay” in the Hebrew is “Yabal” (or “Yodel”). “Ya” is “Lord”. “Yabal” means: “To flow, to cause all creation to bring forth”. So with all 10 lights and 22 paths of a circuit in place, the Spirit of the Lord can flow. Man has just corrupted these pure truth in their fallen state. The criticisms themselves are proof of the corruption. The Greek for “Gay” is “Lampros”, as in “lamp-pros: Masters or “professionals of light”. It means: “Brilliance, radiance, sumptuous and gorgeous white.

This, of course, is all scriptural, referring to “the gay clothing” or fine-linen of the Lord’s Wedding Feast (James 2:30). Exodus 26:1 and Genesis 32:15 talk about the 10 and the 22, so I’m just expounding the Bible here. In this case, for Esau it is 20. Two of the 22 letters (Alef and Ayin) are silent. A righteous man in the Lord is a shekel of gold, and a shekel is 20 gerahs (Ex. 30:13).

onthestreet said...

Now, back to the age of 12, the law of the land for her betrothal. Otherwise, she is as dead (Mark 5:42): I say unto thee, “arise”. And straightway, the damsel arose and “walked”, and why? “Because she was of the age of twelve years”. What does her “arising and walking” have to do with her age. These terms “arise” and “walk” must be in Bible Code. The entire Bible is in code.

Such an early marriage astonishes the ignorant, for says the Lord’s Word: “And they were astonished”. “Wait! Not so fast”, you say. “They were astonished because he had just raised the dead”. Not according to Christ. You seem to pick and choose which of His words you will believe, taking them out of context and leaving the rest. For Jesus continued: “Why make ye this ado and weap”. The damsel IS NOT DEAD, but sleepeth,” says the Lord. So she was only “as if dead” for want of a husband. Let’s look at the actual proof:

Now, He said to her: “Arise”. The Hebrew for “Arise” is “Gederah”, which means literally: “Inclose to the sheepfold”. One cannot be inclosed, or taken into the mature society of the Wedding Feast of Christ, without being themselves married. Thus “arise” or “be married. For she was twelve”, says the Lord. The Greek for “arise” is literally: “Egg-izo”. Get it? The egg or seed, “because she was twelve”, says the Lord. “Eggizo means: “To make near, to approach”. Why does any man approach a woman, in relation to her egg? He egg is ready at age 12. No girls, you are not going to lay an egg. However, many of you may shit a brick, after all this proof straight from your refined Christian Bible.

Furthermore, he called her “Damsel” (dam-sel). Very telling, indeed. What does that mean? The Hebrew for “damsel” is “Laat” (pronounced “law-at”). My oh my, her lot regarding the law of the land. Now, what is the meaning of “Laat”? “To muffle of cover”. In Immaculate Conception, she is indeed covered, and the husband is actually in another room, according to the ceremony. “Mary, the power of the highest shall overshadow thee” (Luke 1:35).

The Greek for “damsel” is “Paid-ion”. Her Lord has “paid” or taken ownership, and we all want to be owned as His own, do we not.

onthestreet said...

Now, He also told the damsel to “Walk. For she was twelve”. So that is why, according to the Word of God, the God of the land, and the law of the land, “BECAUSE SHE WAS TWELVE”. The Hebrew for “Walk” is “Megan”. You’ve all heard of “Megan’s Law: To help prevent child molestation”. That was no accident calling it that. Nothing molests a damsel more than to rob her of her children! “Megan” means: “To shield, encompass, rescue, hand her safely over to, surrender, deliver”. There it is. When a girl marries, she surrenders to the man she trusts most, her husband, “to deliver” for him. She is “rescued” from her obscure and single state, into a royal household. “Megan” is pronounced “Maw-gan”. A maw or ma is A MOTHER, and to gan is to gain. GAN EDEN Home Page (www.ganeden.com): In Eden, their first and greatest commandment was to “Multiply and Replenish the earth”.

The Greek for “walk” is: “Perioche”. That sounds very musical, which a loving home is, as in “kereoke”. Perioche means: “Being held, circumscribed”, which means: 1. To enclose (a polygon or polyhedron, as in polygany) within a configuration of lines, curves, or surfaces so that every vertex of the enclosed object is incident on the enclosing configuration. 2. To erect (such a configuration) around a polygon or polyhedron: circumscribe a circle around a square. Need we say more?

There you have it again, numerous testimonies of the law of the land regarding 12-year old betrothals. Dozens of irrefutable testimonies prove it so, nay millions. For millions practice it even today. Here is what others are saying about it (http://itskinnyd.blogspot.com): “Look at the term 'adult' (as in “conscenting adults)What lawfully qualifies as an adult varies from country to country. In some parts of the world, an adult can be someone as young as 12 years old. In fact, it is a common practice in some parts of the world for 12 year olds to marry. So if marriage between two homosexual adult males is acknowledged in our country, why not lower the legal age of an adult to 12 years old? There is no objective basis not to”.

Even your Chrismas declares her marriage at 12: “On the 12TH day of Christ-mass, my true love said to me”. The goal is to MASS children, the more and the earlier the better: “For of such is the Kingdom of Heaven”. The 12th day is the 12th year. So, is anyone shitting a brick yet? That’s what you’ll have to do every day for a thousand years, if you can’t accept the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God.

Anonymous said...

Hey Street why are you reading from the refine Christian Bible. Leave it alone.

Why aren't you translating from Joseph Smith corrupt version?

Anonymous said...

PS Street,

My Jewish friends think you are a joke.

onthestreet said...

Well, you know what happened to the Jews, AND the Christians, when they rejected Christ. They lost their touchstone and their inner eye. But the Christian Bible is TRUE, "as far as it is translated correctly".

ATAR_i said...

I think I can decode Streeties last comments.

First I'll translate into the original Greek, (one moment), now from Latin into pig-latin (I bet you didn't know that's key in most of streeties mind bending visions), now into Hebrew, (another moment).

Now I take out all the letters that are left over and eliminate the duplicates (one more moment), and scramble it up - and decode the message.

It's becoming clearer - just one moment

You will never believe the subliminal message that Street's three postings REALLY MEANT.

(DRUMROLL)

Translation

"I'm a putz"

Anonymous said...

Very good observation Atari!

Anonymous said...

Street is an example of priestcraft doing more damage to the brain than hallucinagenic drugs.

onthestreet said...

Hey, man is that he might have joy. So I'm glad to see you enjoying yourselves.

onthestreet said...

PURE POWER WITH GOD: So, do you all think your sumptuous, ill-clad girls the world over are NICE? Whenever I see a sumptuous, ill-clad girl on the street or anywhere else, my only thought for them is a greeting thus: “Well, hello, dog-shit”. When their clothes dribble off to the ground, at home or a broad, that’s not all that ‘s dribbling. If you can’t protect the virtue and dignity of your girls, you’re simply not worthy of them. This is why so many alien-nations, runaways, and divorces take place. The Lord Himself uses similar terms, calling them both “dogs” and “dung”, thus “dog-shit” (Mt. 15:27, Jer. 16:4).

So let’s pattern ourselves after our Redeemer, and not cuddle or encourage such filth and immorality. The Lord directs us to sew to the spirit, not to the body. Let the gifts of our spirit be seen, not the gross element of the flesh to tempt and rape the spirit from their Lord and their true affection. Then your are safe. Otherwise, ravenous wolves will fulfill their nature and ravage, and your name, memory, and honor be forever forgotten, saith the Lord (Ezek. 22:27, Mt. 7:15).

He also calls them pigs (Prov.11:22). Now, I don’t know about you, but there isn’t anything quite so disgusting as a wallowing, squeeling pig, and especially in human form. I don’t care if you’re doing it behind a bedroom wall, or out on the open floor of a Wal Mart. It is the same disgusting act of raping your innocence and that of others, and killing their soul, and that leaves eternal consequences.

We should always be fully clothed and engulfed by His light. Even when we take a bath, we should always be blind-folded. That is to say, be blind to the body, and let your senses be insensed and closed off, and your mind dwell in a trance on things spiritual, and especially when you are working with the physical. Then, you transcend physical laws. Ye are the temples of God, and when that temple is defiled, “I will destroy it”, saith the Lord (D&C 93:35, Gen. 34:2, Lk. 17:27, Rev. 3:4).

ATAR_i said...

phooey - I like getting in my hot tub, late a night - looking out over the land - and being au naturel.

polywatchin said...

on the street, 3:08 am,
flds don't git divorced because most of them aren't really married. only "spiritually" married. they don't get divorced, they get "reassigned" same thing.

Anonymous said...

OTS is going to completely lose his mind if he doesn't get to "taste" another 12 year old. Hurry FBI, this guy must have molested his daughters and sisters and actually is one of the few that deserved to be sent away. Catch him quick FBI before he molests again.

onthestreet said...

polywatchin said...
on the street, 3:08 am,
flds don't git divorced because most of them aren't really married. only "spiritually" married. they don't get divorced, they get "reassigned" same thing.

3/13/2006 2:12 PM

STREET's Reply: Which is more valid and true, the spirit, or the body? Christ always proclaimed the spirit has the ascendency over the body, which gives spiritual marriage the ascendency, does it not.

See, those who only get "temporally" married aren't really married. In fact, the invalid nature of your marriages is in the very ceremony itself: "Till death do they part". That's not very valid, is it?

ATAR_i said...

You sound catholic ots. They have all these ways to get out of a marriage (even a really long one with kids).

onthestreet said...

What has to be done has to be done. The Lord says this (Matthew 10):

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.


That is your Redeemer speaking, fokes.

ATAR_i said...

What's a foke?

Anonymous said...

lol, arar_i. I was going to say the same thing!

onthestreet said...

Okay, I've giver to ya: A foke is a folk without the Lamed. And what is the Lamed? The letter "L", which means "communication with God".

Just couldn't leave it alone, could you?

onthestreet said...

More specifically: "Ox Goad", an advanced man being the ox and God goading him into seeking his presence, here and now.

ATAR_i said...

I think this is part of streets made up language. I had a neighbor who made up her own little language too.

We called it 'oddee boddee boo' because that ended up comprising one of her main sayings. She was a 'little odd' and didn't fair so well in life either.

This is actually a symptom of a major behavioral disorder.

onthestreet said...

So then, repent, and quit your disorderly conduct, Pocahontas.

Anonymous said...

When the PERFECT demands repentance from those who are only 'good', they what is the rest of the world to do?

CLAIMING PERFECTION IS CLAIMING EQUALITY WITH GOD.

Don't think that's such a good idea street. As a matter of fact it is utterly absurd. But then, so are the great majority of your more recent comments.

rcn

onthestreet said...

"BE YE PERFECT, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT". -Jesus Christ

Faithful Woman said...

Most all of his coments on two sites are absurd. The rest of them are just disgusting.

onthestreet said...

rcn (3/18/2006 7:13 PM):

CLAIMING PERFECTION IS CLAIMING EQUALITY WITH GOD.

STREET's Reply: Interesting! They had the EXACT same complaint against Jesus Christ Himself, our prototype.

But who does it make "absurd and disgusting", to tear away the flesh and spit in the face and hang on a cross he who claimed equality with God?