Tuesday, January 17, 2006

Eavesdropping..on the SethNet

Seth Jeffs owns ( or did) the fiberoptic lines that are throughout Colorado City and Hildale. Everyone called it the SethNet. He has been recording and eavesdropping on every phone call and email and the like, ever since it got put in. Warren Jeffs has been recording and videoing every interview and phone call since the 90's. I bet they got some amazing records somewhere.

72 comments:

furnace said...

Interesting that all the secret things (aka embezzeling) I did while employed by Twin City Power had to be discussed on Seth's fiber phones because I was told the other phones were tapped into by the "feds". Sounds a little hypocritical to me. I guess people begin to accuse of what they themselves are guilty of.

Anonymous said...

Bush has been doing that for years - nothing new.

Anonymous said...

So Bush has been evesdropping on pligs. Give me a break.

A little birdy said the big phone company found out and put a stopped to it. I don't know why if that really happen they did not put his sorry butt in jail.

I wouldn't use a cordless phone in Shortcreek that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

I trust Bush.

4 years, 4 months since 9-11-01....
Zero terrorism on American soil.
Wiretap all you want.

Anonymous said...

"Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise"

Anonymous said...

Oh, I never had heard that FLDS and Osama Bin Laden had ties. Tell me more. If you do, Bush has my vote, tap away.

Anonymous said...

Why in the world would you think that the President of the United States would waste his time listening to your infightng and backbiting. Oh he's probably aware of YFZ because it's located in the Congressional district where he grew up, but he's too busy to concern himself with local affairs. That is the business of local, county, and state governments. Only if there was a security risk in your part of the world would he do anything personal. He has cabinet officials who take care of the every day business. The FBI, U.S. Dept of Treaury, Post Office, Department of Interior, Department of Commerce, Labor, Education, Energy, etc. Each of these department employee thousands of people who take care of problems, such as yours, as a part of their everyday job.

Anonymous said...

Ya, who gives a ////if they listen on the phone. Who cares? You can hear more on gossip than snooping on the phone. What a dumb subject. Who cares. Let them listen. Maybe they will get an ear full; the F. B. I too. who cares? I hope they get an ear full. YOu can hear more from the talk on the street. And go for a spin just as fast. And Bush started this war. WEll lets say that Clinton started this war. Bush is just a man who's name fits perfectly. The desert is full of Bushes. Why do you think terrorist can do what they do. Bushes are convenient to hide behind. Good ol' terrirosts. Lets stop them all. Tap every phone who cares? And if every one followed the law America would be crime free. But that is fantisy. Bush has a perfect name. Good old Bush. The desert is full of them. I would not have voted for bush or the other. I think I vote for Jesus. Let him come again and reclaim his land. Then who will lift a sword? Would you sell your brother for a dollar? Let them tap the phone who cares? The government is only prosicuting religion any how. I guess we are all quilty. At least this man you accuse is honest.

Anonymous said...

Furnace

May I assume your name applies to a recent John Dougherty story?

I have a question that a local would know? Is there a local landfill in Colorado City and if there is, do they burn or plow under the refuge?
SDLF

Anonymous said...

What this that the FBI served Warrants in Colorado City last Saturday? After the Saturday morning church/Work meeting convened? Why isn't any one talking about this one?

mugwump said...

If I remember right, on September 11, 2001 four planes were hijacked by Islamic extremists. Three of those planes, full of fuel were purposly crashed into buildings. Multiple millions of people around the world witnessed the scene on television. Two of the buildings, the World Trade Center, were located on the southern end of Manhatten Island, in New York, City, New York, United States of America. A third plane was crashed into the Pentagon, the center for military operations of the United States of America, located on the south side of the Potomac River in the District of Columbia, within the limits of the capitol city of the United States of America. A fourth plane, trailing the others was hyjacked over Ohio and turned back toward Washington D.C. This fourth plane was to crash into either the U.S. Capitol building or the White House and would have completed it's task except a few brave citizens receiving phone calls from friends and relatives quickly understood that their action was the only thing standing between the plane they were on as pasengers and the death of not only themselves but perhaps thousands of others. They stood up for America, overcame the hijackers and allowed the plane they were in crash into the countryside in western Pennsylvania. All the planes were hyjacked by Islamic extremists who had declared Jihad (a holy war against the infidels) (any one no a part of their Islamic extremist group) All were between the ages of 18 and 35. All were male.

A relaxation of our intelligence (The United States') during the Clinton Administration, the disassembly of much of our armed service, the giving away to the Chinese much of our secret communication ability, the dis-assembly of live field officers in the C.I.A. left the U.S.A. as an open invitation to groups such as bin Lauden's.

Saddam Hussein, Dictator of Iraq, was suspected of stockpiling weapons capable of killing thousands of persons instantly. He had, on at least two occasions committed that act against people in his own nation. The U.S.A. shared what they thought to be credible intelligence with the U.N. Security Council regarding Saddam's violation of the tready he had signed in the early 1990's.

The debate in the U.N. continued week after week with France repeatedly vetoing a resolution to be presented to Saddam to cease and desist.

Finally, after gathering a coalition of nations including Great Brittan, Australia, Poland, Italy, Spain, the U.S. staged a bomb attact on noted Iraqui military targets. That attact was broadcast into millions of homes. The civilian population of Iraq was not targeted. A popular uprising followed. Statues of Saddam were toppled, pictures were torn down and burned, firearms were discovered and destroyed.

A certain degree of peace has been established in Iraq. There are eighteen provinces in Iraq. The insurgents have been eliminated in all but three of those. Three elections have been held and now action is underway to allow the people to establish their own government, subject to the will of the people, not a dictator. The so-called insurgents who wreck havoc on the streets and byways of Iraq are by and large, extensions of radical Islamic extremist groups who lost much of their economic support when Saddam fell from power. Finally, Saddam is being tried for crimes he committed against the Iraqui people. The trial is being presented in front of the people he butchered and he will pay the eventual price for his brutality.

Every soldier, sailor, airman or marine who is serving in Iraq is there by personal choice. There are no draftees in our military today. If these good young people want to assist a people who have never had the chance to know freedom to experience what YOU enjoy every day, who are you to challenge them and their motive.

Anonymous said...

Not one of the terrorist came from Iraq. They did however come from Saudi, as did gentle Bin and most of the insurgence in Iraq. We want the Middle East to have a democracy but we re-instated a king in Kuwait (who just died). As well as there is a King in Saudi Arabia. Such hypocrisy!! We are in Iraq for Halliburton not freedom!

FLDS runs their organization like the Taliban. We have a Taliban in our own back yard and we are off fighting in Afghanistan. All we accomplished there was a 2000% increase in heroin traffic by Afghani warlords. Poppy fields are the number one commodity of Afghanistan.. God Bless America…

mugwump said...

Describe for me what you think Haliburton does? I would love to see your response. Then, having lived adjacent to Halliburton and having been acquainted with their operations for years, I will gladly share what I know of their actual operations. Im am not a Haliburton employee, nor have any of my family or friends ever been employed by that company. Not that I couldn't be a friend, I just don't happen to have that much contact with them. I suspect your knowledge is no deeper than that of the political correspondent on the city desk of the New York Times. Or CBS News.

Anonymous said...

why dont you hijackers start your own thread and let this one stay on topic



SHEEESH!!!!!

Anonymous said...

this sethnet info is very important.

mugwump said...

Okay:

If Anon. 1/18/06 10:02 wants to continue this discussion, name a post, I'll meet you there.

fundy said...

Haliburton is an oil service company, the land fill is run by the county.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the poster who called American politics hypocrisy. Why Ameicans open the door for tyranny in other countries OUr soldiers are dieing. And as for the Talaban in America that you speak of; look at the government for this. They spread the lies.

Anonymous said...

I would also echo the refrain; God Bless America. And put down all tyrany

Anonymous said...

And as to the attack on the twin towers; do you not wonder why the media could get all this on film, but the government could do nothing? I think that if you think another country is responsible, America is in worse shape than I first thought. Watch the show. Watch it closly. Just like the Waco feasco. And you will stand like me in protest of this war.

Anonymous said...

Because we stand on the American constitution and Fly the Flag with Liberty and Justice for all. "In God we trust, with Liberty and Justace for all." In life and in death.

fttc said...

Back to the SethNet.

Does anyone here have experience that proves Seth was monitoring traffic on his network? The lack of principle is there. I wouldn't put it past him and warren. I know warren was recording personal interviews, without the knowledge of those being interviewed, from his own admission to me, but do we have proof that he was monitoring the network? If so please post it.

mugwump said...

If anyone cares to carry on the discussion regarding Halliburton I will enter a post on the December 26, 2005 'RENT' and vacate this thread.

Anonymous said...

No one cares about Halliburton. It’s a no brainer - our deficits go up from a war that was not needed, cannot be won and based on a lie. Meanwhile , Iran starts nuclear program, Syria harbors more terrorist, North Korea make Sadam look like Snow White and HAS nuclear weapons, Africa has a little genocide of half a million people ( no oil so the US over looks these atrocities) and Halliburton gets "No Bid" contracts and has amassed more profit that any company in history. Make how many politicians were paid off for this little mistake. The only thing the world has learned from this mess is the US will not pick on anyone with a nuclear warhead.

Back to the Seth net…

Anonymous said...

Well said Bill (NOT). Go back to Monica, she's lonely.

furnace said...

I do know his little internet service had "Dan's Guardian" on it that would block and log an attempt to visit inappropriate internet sites. It was a nuisance because if I wanted to get literature on a series of parts, say "PK-26XXX series", I couldn't go to the site because "XXX" was found. It gave a warning that the attempt to visit this site was logged.

I was visiting with Charles Olds when he snooped in on R&W and made the comment "they seem to visit this site a lot". I don't remember the site, though.

Dan's Guardian, I believe, is commercial software and not related to anyone in CC by the name of Dan.

Anonymous said...

Well I know Seth was using computers at the defunk Barlow University.

fundy said...
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fundy said...

Also, a Denver TV station is reporting that Seth Jeffs was arrested for prostitution and solicitation after another man told authorities that Jeffs hired him for sex.
posted by Phil Stinson at 10/31

mugwump said...

Well, I did my part, I moved the discussion. 1/18/ 5:25 evidently disregarded the request to leave this post for he said/she said.

Anonymous said...

Mugwump....

You said you would vacate the thread.

Please do.

Anonymous said...

I watched church through the private network that Seth had going. We could watch CNN and WJ at the same time. It was great.

rumor-has-it said...

You "know" or you "think"?

I don't think that Seth was using any computers at the Barlow University building.
Last I knew they were in the Allco bldg.
And in Seth's house. (so much for not having internet in your house or it wouldn't be lifted up.)

Anonymous said...

I watched one of the guys in my office say that he could hack CMC computers. He typed in a few commands and there he was a Robert's computer.

Anonymous said...

I used to be on the ole Sethnet too, interesting what one can learn about Seth and crew, when one has an ethernet sniffer logging all the time. Yes Seth, one of your passwords used to be "thinkprayer". Another, "beautimus". Also I hope that you guys have patched the http root level security hole that your version of linux had. For those that know what that means, root level access granted with a simple web address entered on the webserver/firewall that Seth used.
I hope that Seth changes his passwords, cause I think I know of 2 that are going to be tried. Good Luck.

Anonymous said...

Seems like Marilyn Jeffs got in trouble because someone listened in on her private calls? Was she a Jessop by maiden name? Related to the folks who owned the Caliente Hot Springs in Nevada? Where they use to do those secret weddings or receptions?

How hard is it to listen to cell phone traffic anyway?

Anonymous said...

Just ask the gumment. Real easy. People think they are secure, but they're NOT!

Anonymous said...

1/18 1:40

All the major networks have cameras immediately available in the event of something of gigantic porportion. In addition, how many tourists do you think might have been in NYC with their home video cameras? Remember the assissination of John F. Kennedy. The best of all film found and placed in evidence was recorded on a home movie camera (8mm) by a Mr. Zapruder, and that was in Dallas in 1963 not NYC in 2001.

rhi said...

Whatever tools the CC Police got for the Homeland Security is/was at Warren Jeffs disposal. I think they can pretty much listen to what ever they want. And if they don't want... they will prob hear it anyway from the snoooooppy brothers and sisters and neighbors. Most families had another family living with them after all the Lakers moved to CC. Hard to have any family secrets with 20 "other" people in your house.

Anonymous said...

Well maybe not Barlow's University computers but their computer address.
Think again....Rumor...Do you know a Kevin Barlow? He took Seth's place. Where's Seth?

Anonymous said...

I bet Seth is on the run as fast as he can go. I would be very suprised if he shows up for his court date in Denver. Like what would be forfeited? $25,000 property bond. Not much money in the scheme of things when you are thinking about your freedom for protecting some little crook punk like Warren. What would you do if you were Seth?

rumor-has-it said...

I can understand if Seth was using Barlow University computer "address". That actually makes since, because they had a educational system that could handle alot and cost a little.

Last I knew about Kevin Barlow is that he married Louis Barlow's wife Ireta and was living in Truman Barlow's mansion. He has been the town clerk for more years than I can remember. I didn't realize he was that much into computers.

If Seth uses WJ's fine example, he will run. If he doesn't run...it will be one eye-opening trial.

Anonymous said...

Poor Truman. Had to give up wife and mansion. How's he making out in St. George? Drug money?

fttc said...

Truman had to give up nothing. He chose to do what he did. This makes his condition all the more pathetic. He was one that knew what was going on. I don't believe he had any doubts that warren was a farce and yet he continues to play the game. Perhaps he was in too deep to acknowledge the truth. It takes a lot of courage to admit you have been untrue to what you have taught.

Anonymous said...

Maybe ole Tru boy's hate for Winston is so great, that he could not bear to know of one person that would get sick of Warren and show up inside Winston's meeting house on Sunday for church. So he lays in the weeds and licks his wounds and does nothing to stop Warren. And so another person given charge of the truth does nothing.

Anonymous said...

Are you hard up for a chance to plug Winston or what? What truth was Truman in charge of? He was only an elder as Winston is also. Joseph Smith said if the ordinances are not performed just as they have been revealed they are of no efficacy and are void. Winston was not ordained to the office of High Priest. He does not claim to be a descendant of Arron so he holds no bishopric. For that matter neither do any of the other bishops ordained in our group. Winston has a brother that has as much claim on being an apostle as Winston has being a bishop.

Anonymous said...

You mean if I CLAIM to be a descendant of Aaron I can become High Priest?

I don't know about any of you but anyone making that claim better be absolutly certain, no self proclaimed pretenders, that He is a direct desendent of Jacob, of the tribe of Levi, not a descendent of Judah ("Jew"), Reubenite, Ephraimite, Manassite, Simeonite, Gadite, Danite, Issacharite Benjamite, Naphthalite, Asherite,or Zebulunite. He can't be a descendent of Moses, who was of Levi, Joshua, who was of Ephrim or even David, King of Israel (of Judah). Don't believe me? Go back to the Pentetuch and quit trying to make-it-up-as-you-go.

Anonymous said...

Do the math....

In ten generations you have about 1000 ancestors. In 20, a million, in 30, a billion.

To go back to Israel's day, you go back about 90 generations. So, if there were a BILLION people alive in that day (there weren't), and if every person alive were represented in your geneology equually in that generation (they weren't), every person alive in that generation would show up in your family tree a BILLION BILLION times. Brother, you can pretty well count on being a descendant of pretty much everybody.

Anonymous said...

Multiple generations of a people so conscious of their geneology that the various generations were recorded time after time in the Pentatuch, the Chronicles, the writings of Ezra and Neiamiah. Why would such a practrice be abandoned? Maybe the gene pool thinned, but no native Americans have DNA that matches any Jews or Levites. Non-proselyte Jews still carry DNA that matches the most ancient samplings of descendents of Jacob (Israel)

There is absolutely NO archelogical evidence on EITHER American Continant consistant with claims that Hebrews, of any tribe, was present prior to Colombus.

No proof anywhere of a language referred to as "Reformed" Egyptian. There is no academically recognized language in evidence anywhere on the planet that supports any claim to validate the existence, past or present, of such a language. Egyptian Hieroglyphics were indecipherable until the discovery in 1799 and later analysis of the Rosetta Stone.

Why would persons who had Hebrew background invent a special set of heiroglyphics to record their "Jewish" history when the books of the law and prophets were recorded in the Hebrew, later Aramic and Greek languages? This practice had been established long before Israel's defeat at the hands of the Assyrians or the Babylonian captivity of the Jews. Certainly prior to B.C. 600 and later than 300 A.D.

There simply is NO proof, only heresay evidence. Even the heresay was refuted following Smith's death by those reported to have been his "witnesses."

No DNA proof, no archalogical proof and no language proof.

Fiction, not fact. Face up to it.

Anonymous said...

Well there is a saying "If you tell a lie long enough, it becomes truth."

The Mormons have told the lie long enough.

Anonymous said...

I would tend to do the opposite.

I would test the validity of DNA evidence by comparing it to the revealed Word of God.

If there is a difference, the DNA "experts" should keep working on it.

Anonymous said...

And therein lies the difference. What one wants is to claim fiction as the 'revealed' Word of God. Whereas the other believes that The Revealed Word of God is made complete in the death, burial and resurection of the Living Word of God, Jesus Christ the Savior and Son of God. He is constantly being revealed in and through the life, testemony and actions of those who believe in His Name. It is in His Name, and His Name only salvation is given, (a gift, not salary or wages) and that gift is His Grace. Our works then are testimony of Christ living and working in us. Works won't save us, but are evidence of His presence in our lives.

Anonymous said...

Since we know the sun orbits the earth, lets get epicycles upon epicycles to make astronomy work according to the revealed word of God, like the Catholic Church did.

Anonymous said...

Anybody here wanna defend the Catholics?


I thought so.

Anonymous said...

We've come a long ways since the persicution of Galileo.

Anonymous said...

Oops--that's "persecution". I've read too many from one particular poster.

Anonymous said...

2/1/06 4:05

I think not.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
Anybody here wanna defend the Catholics?I thought so.
2/01/2006 4:05 PM

STREET'S Reply: I do. I'll defend them. "We believe in worshipping God according to our own conscience, and allowing all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may"

onthestreet said...

Yes, religions have committed many crimes, but name one crime that the FLDS Church itself has committed, just one. Can't be done.

No, marriage is not a crime, and THAT is the only charge against the Prophet, that he married someone:

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Tim. 4)

Anonymous said...

Here is a crime.
Warren destroyed my family.He tore my little girl and my little boy from me and wouldn't even tell me why.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, but what had YOU done to your family. Was there insest? Are you immoral. THAT's the crime. The FLDS community is "an ultraconservative society", as the authorities and the press have put it. That being the case, no immoral man is welcomed. The wives AND the children only bid them good ridance.

fttc said...

Street, you promulgate one of the biggest lies that exist among the FLDS. You ask the person here whether they are guilty and then assume they must be if the "prophet says so". I know several men who lost families that had done nothing more than asked warren questions which he was uncomfortable answering. For this they were cut off and their family persuaded to leave him.

Your inference that there has been immorality involved in every case is a lie. Yes, a lie. And there are immoral men welcomed by warren. They just have to have the proper connections to him personally. So that statement is a falshood as well.

onthestreet said...

The crime had to be mighty persuasive for wives and children to leave their father forever, yes? Now granted, such character might have also been quarellsome, but that doesn't sweep the deeper crime under the rug. That would only be covering up the abuses, and promulgate the bigger lie. The Prophet brings it to a head.

You seem angry. Were you and your husband so affected. I know it can be pretty personal when someone gets caught in something so personal. Be sweet, sister, and don't let past errors take you further down. You're as precious as anyone else.

fttc said...

You're wrong again. You see my being forceful and direct with the truth as being angry. There is no anger there, only a desire to show your lie.

I know not all of the women and children wanted to leave their husband and father initially. Only after they were threatened with destruction did they choose to leave. And even now they are full of heartache over their leaving. Many wanted to stay but the father's themselves ordered them away thinking they could rectify things with warren and get them back. There are those who still don't know what they have done wrong to have their families taken away. You will of course deny this and argue yourself blue in the face because you have chosen to believe a lie and be damned.

No, I have no anger at you or warren or any that have chosen to follow him. Only pity.

ATAR_i said...

FTTC, before you even responded to OTS I kept thinking - it's fear.

A sense of fear that drives men and women to behave in ways they might not otherwise.

And they have seen what's done to anyone who might be perceived as a threat (that might mean - they are so righteous and upstanding, and without reproof that by their very existence they threaten the self appointed profit whose sexuality is in question, who has broken the laws of men and God without hesitancy).

Fear is how he manipulates, his power to destroy their lives, and their place in the community - is what they fear.

Pray for them, they will come out broken, and they will always show the cracks from the damage and repair. But God help the man who swung the sledghammer and cracked the whole community, for the full weight of Gods wrath will be on his head.

onthestreet said...

FTTC Said: I know not all of the women and children wanted to leave their husband and father initially. Only after they were threatened with destruction did they choose to leave. And even now they are full of heartache over their leaving. Many wanted to stay but the father's themselves ordered them away thinking they could rectify things with warren and get them back. There are those who still don't know what they have done wrong to have their families taken away. You will of course deny this and argue yourself blue in the face because you have chosen to believe a lie and be damned. No, I have no anger at you or warren or any that have chosen to follow him. Only pity. 3/01/2006 12:48 AM


STREET Reply: You’re right to admit that “only after” people realize the warnings of the Lord throught His word regarding destruction, can they then leave what is threatening to destroy them. You’re right again to admit that “the fathers themselves” accepted the fact of their abuses in ordering their wives and children to go with the Prophet. Those who still don’t know what they have done wrong are only in denial like any drug addict, and only need to overcome that false ego and repent from afar. See, I have denied nothing, though you proclaim: “I know that you will deny this”. This shows clearly what YOU DON’T KNOW. Pitty only thyself, that you might obtain some degree of salvation. This I would pray for anyone.

ATARI: You only threaten yourselves, but are too senseless to fear anything that endangers your soul. “Men go where ANGELS FEAR to tread”. Your preaching merely has the sound of a hireling ministry, as tinklling cymbols crashing upon the ear. “The sheep know my voice”.

fttc said...

Street

You have learned well from your master. You have expertly put words in my mouth that I did not say or infer. There are men that did not acknowledge any wrongdoing on their part but only went along with the 'prophet' because they thought playing his game was the only way they could keep their status in the community and their family. Atar is absolutely correct. Those men telling their family to go away did not do so because they knew of their guilt.
Unfortunately there have not been any that played warrens game with him that have come out on top. You cannot give concessions to evil to accomplish any good.

Evil must be confronted and dealt with in a forthright and direct manner. If more of those who are aware of the evils this man has perpetrated would stand up to them instead of letting their fear overcome them he would not be what he is.

You will say that warren has done the forthright and direct part in his bootings, but how direct is it to send someone away without explanation who has no concept of what they have done wrong? Who among us has not committed overt acts that we knew better than to do? Every one has, even warren.

So he thinks our weaknesses are so terrible we should be destroyed. Wouldn't it be proper for him to at least notify which sin a person is being destroyed for. You keep talking about repenting. How can a person repent if he does not know what the sin is?

I am making an attempt at reasoning with you when I know you are blinded beyond reason. What a fool I am.

onthestreet said...

STREET’S Reply: Okay, there were men who were not man enough to confess, for if they went along with it, they had to have accepted the fact, at least within their hearts, that they had done something wrong. Or else, their countenance would not have fallen, nor would they have just quietly slinked away. You admit here, that they were seeking “status”. That too is an admission of guilt, for the Lord requires humility of all his people, as sheep, or else they are NOT of His fold, but are foreign matter. Furthermore, right again in saying that “NONE who went against His will came out on top”. The Lord truly prospers only those who are truly righteous. You only seek strife and debate, and call good evil, as prophesied:

ISAIAH 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.

4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

ISAIAH 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

My next post will be very encouraging to you, however, for I sense a crying out in your spirit.

onthestreet said...

FTTC: You finished up on 3/02/2006 1:31 PM, by saying:

You will say that warren has done the forthright and direct part in his bootings, but how direct is it to send someone away without explanation who has no concept of what they have done wrong? Who among us has not committed overt acts that we knew better than to do? Every one has, even warren.

So he thinks our weaknesses are so terrible we should be destroyed. Wouldn't it be proper for him to at least notify which sin a person is being destroyed for. You keep talking about repenting. How can a person repent if he does not know what the sin is? I am making an attempt at reasoning with you when I know you are blinded beyond reason. What a fool I am.
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STREET’s Reply: To send one away “without explaining” is first, incorrect. The explaining was done for the years leading up to the sifting, for decades for many. This is how the Lord works. “We teach the people the truth, and they govern themselves” (for better, or for worse). After the explaining was done during all this time, then the explaining IS DONE, and it is time to sift, and NOT further rub salt into your self-inflicted wounds, or to taunt you further over human weaknesses.

Now, I said that this post would be very encouraging. What I just said above should be a start in helping you to understand. Furthermore, let this encourage you further: Diasperas have a purpose in the economy of God. When He disperses Israel, he spreads seed out into the world. He also free’s you and sets you apart to see what you will do. This is the final stage of your testing and development, to see if you will rise or fall. This is how the gods became gods, through such testing AND RISING to the occasion of what they have been taught, TO WIT: To be pure, to be meek, and so forth:

Matthew 5:

1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

fttc said...

Encouraging? More like hilarious. Now you want me to believe that god warren has split families and caused men and women to commit adultery (according the teachings we have received for years) and this is not because the men were not evil men but almmost gods themeselves and needed one more final test! Laughing at you is the only response I can make in kindness.

fttc said...

in a hurry typo (almost late for church) should have read "this is because men were"

onthestreet said...

Correct: Men were evil, like you corrected yourself in saying. But in doing so, we have to wonder if you are meaning to say they were good, evil, evil, good. Now, make up your mind, girl.

I know, I know, girls have a right to change their minds.