Saturday, September 24, 2005

Who do we want as Trustees?

IN THE MATTER OF THE UNITED EFFORT PLAN TRUST, (Dated November 9, 1942, Amended and Restated on November 3, 1998); and its TRUSTEES, including known trustees TRUMAN BARLOW, WARREN JEFFS, LEROY JEFFS, WINSTON BLACKMORE, JAMES ZITTING AND WILLIAM E. JESSOP a/k/a WILLIAM E. TIMPSON AND DOE TRUSTEES I THROUGH IX
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NOTICE OF SUPPORT FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF DON TIMPSON, SPENCER JOHNSON, CAROLYN JESSOP, WINSTON BLACKMORE, MARGARET COOKE, JOHN NIELSEN, LEE VAN DAM AND MERRILL HARKER AS TRUSTEES OF THE UNITED EFFORT PLAN TRUST

Civil No. 053900848

Judge Denise P. Lindberg
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PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the undersigned individuals, each being 18 years of age or older and having extensive knowledge of and ties to the United Effort Plan Trust (AUEP Trust@) through their own affiliation with the Work, or the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and their current or past residence in communities largely owned by the UEP Trust, and having contributed property, time, talents, money or materials to the UEP Trust, hereby state that they support the appointment of Don Timpson, Spencer Johnson, Carolyn Jessop, Winston Blackmore, Margaret Cooke, John Nielsen, Lee Van Dam and Merrill Harker, individually and collectively as trustees of the United Effort Plan Trust for the following reasons:
46214. The difficult but urgent work which must be accomplished with respect to the UEP Trust is best undertaken, in our opinions, by a diverse group of new trustees who truly know and understand the UEP beneficiaries and who are willing to provide religiously neutral community service at a minimal cost or no cost under the supervision of the Special Fiduciary and this Court.
46215. For over 60 years the Trust has been administered by laypersons who have retained the services of professionalls only when needed. With the temporary assistance of the Fiduciary and his counsel, that practice should continue.



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84 comments:

Faithful Woman said...

To sign this petition, print the first few pages of the blog, just enough to get the perition. Sign and fax to 435-586-0598, or scan and email to ueppetition@yahoo.com

Our alternative to these trustees is three professionals who admitedly have no idea as to what is going on in CC and Hidale and worse than that, want $200 an hour, each. And that still doesn't include their attorneys.

Faithful Woman said...

The deadline for these signatures is the morning of Thursday, September 29, 2005.

onthestreet said...

Isn't the sacrifice of all earthly things wonderful? It fits the plan supremely. Even God sacrifices all things ("Heaven and earth shall pass away"). Yet, he rules supremely. It is all part of the plan, God's United Effort, while men and devils wrangle, screach, and gnash their teeth.

onthestreet said...

DEAD line is right.

Faithful Woman said...

God never said to be dirt poor on purpose. He said to be a wise servant and make the most increase you can with what he has given you.

ogre said...

thanks Faithful woman, for posting this. I have a copy for people to sign. If you support these trustees, please sign this petition. Hopefully it will bring some sanity back to this mess.

onthestreet said...

MESS is right! So well put. See what you all make of your stewardship? Be assured, that is NOT a wise steward. You have polluted your inheritance, while the Prophet continues WITHOUT YOU.
All have sinned, but especially when you lose sight of his perfection. Perfection is strict and does not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance, and the works and commandments of God do NOT constitute sin.

Anonymous said...

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this post makes more sense than steets

onthestreet said...

Only animals make noises like that. After all that's been said, your animal nature is manifest. Nothing divine there, and that is what the soul is interested in.

Anonymous said...

Street seems to understand those animal noises pretty well, he must here them a lot. Makes one wonder what he does with his spare time.

Faithful Woman said...

Why can Wisan ok the sale of a large tract of land in some back door secret opperation, and he can't authorize Andrew to move back into his house?

He better not assume that the FLDS play by the rules and will be fair, because it has been proven numerous times that they don't. Especially if warren, Willy Jessop, or Sam Barlow are involved.

fttc said...

Did Andrew ask him about moving in? What was his response to Andrew?

red rocks girl said...

Andrew is going to find out tomorrow what kind of person Bruce is...It is the day Bruce and his attorney have a pow wow and see if they can move in, not to retain ownership, but simply to live there
wish them luck

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said... Street seems to understand those animal noises pretty well, he must here them a lot. Makes one wonder what he does with his spare time.
9/26/2005 8:35 AM

STREET'S Reply: Well EVERYBODY on the planet, bar none, knows what animals sound like. That's just kindergarted stuff. So that's not much of an issue. It's just when you live like animals that you dwell on the lower face. Let's see you figure that one out without being perverse, for it has to do with the Lord.

Anonymous said...

And the Land will remain in the hands of the owners. The Theifs and the liars will have to do a bit more than lie.......... you claim, to say God wants you to not be dirt poor: "Oh how oft would I have gathered you and you would not." God does not send great blessings to liars and theifs. THIS LAND WAS SET APART FOR THE ONES WHO WANT TO LIVE THE LAW OF CHRIST. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE LEADERSHIP! AND ALL LIARS WILL BE STOPPED. I WOULD RATHER BE DIRT POOR, THAN BE A LIAR AND A THEIF. WHERE IS YOUR FAITH THEN? WE WILL NOT LOSE THE LAND. GOD HAS PROMISED THIS LAND AS AN INHERATANCE TO THE FAITHFUL. IF YOU FOLLOW THE LAW OF CHRIST, YOU NEED NOT FEAR. BUT THE WICKED FEAR AND TREMBLE.

Anonymous said...

Kind of like all the neutered men who have bowed down in fear and trembling and let their families be destroyed. Where are the faithful you speak of? What are they faithful to? You are right about this land being blessed for the righteous, that's why we are losing it!

Faithful Woman said...

You aren't getting a bit nervous are you Street?

onthestreet said...

9/27/2005 10:30 AM: You say: That's why the "righteous" are "losing" their land. The wicked lose, and the righteous go on, like they're doing in Texas. There will be wars and rumors of wars, but the end is not ye.

"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth". (Mt. 5)

Anonymous said...

The righteous must suffer with the wicked. The time will come when those wicked priests who have sought to lead His people astray will come to naught. Then warren will receive evil for his evil and those who have loved the truth and not followed his lies will be rewarded.

onthestreet said...

IS THAT A PROPHECY?

Anonymous said...

I would pay big money to see Warren's confession paper. Just like the ones he made the Barlow boys do...

Anonymous said...

Take it as a prophecy if you like Street. It is based on the eternal law of retribution. The Barlow's got theirs and warren will get his. It may be the Lord will use one more wicked than he to carry it out as King Noah in BOM. Only time will tell. As you love to quote: the mills of God grind slowly but grind they do!

Anonymous said...

As you will get yours this day. God does not Judge a man on false accusations. He judges a person by the deeds he does. You wish for the demise of a rightous man. You then have called upon the Forces to bring into play your own destruction, and have called upon them boldly with a description of your fate. "I walk in the valley of death. I fear no man." And the way of God is not slow. The instant a person does a thing, they begin to pay the debt to God. The instant a person does a good thing, they immediatly begin to reap the rewards. You call the good books a bom. You then do reveal your own evil. The gospel is sweet to those who enlist it. It is only the wicked who fear and tremble.

Anonymous said...

And it is written, "As your faith is, so shall it be." YOU CAN BLAME NO ONE FOR YOUR FAILURES. IF YOU ARE ONE THAT SAYS THEY ARE LOSING, IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU CHOSE TO LOSE. IF YOU ARE ONE THAT GOD UPHOLDS IT IS BECAUSE YOU UPHELD GOD. AS YOU TREAT GOD, SO SHALL HE TREAT YOU. YOU ALL WRITE YOUR OWN FATE. I RECOMMEND YOU CHOSE GOOD THIGNS THEN. LET PEACE INTO YOUR HEARTS. LET FORGIVENESS TAKE HOLD. END THIS SENSLESS WAR. YOU FIGHT OVER WHAT YOU WANTED NOT. THE EARTH IS GODS. HE GAVE IT TO YOU THE DAY YOU WERE BORN AND YOU SELL YOUR BIRTHRIGHT. HE WILL NEVER FORSAKE THE RIGHTOUS. SO OUT OF YOUR OWN LIPS COMES YOUR CONFESSIONS. IF YOU ARE FORSAKEN THEN YOU CONFESS YOU HAVE TURNED FROM GOD.

Anonymous said...

Street what do you think about the commandment about bearing false witness, not telling the truth or just bald face lying?

What should happen to those that are caught in a lie?

Does Prophet Warren approve lying of any sort?

Is it ok for the righteous as you call them to bear false witness?

Fear God said...

Ruth if what you are saying is, Warren is his own worst enemy, then I agree with you.
As I believe we ALL will meet our maker, the vail will be lifted. And we will not be able to hide from ourselves.
As Brother Leroy S. Johnson said, It is not the wife/wifes, child/ children that you treated best that will condemn you. It the one/one's you treated the worst.
That being said, Leroy S. Johnson told my father, that one of the things he regrets most in his life, is having one of his boys who had problems with drug substances, to leave his house and not return. Fearing as he told my father, he should have done more to help his boy, and not be so quick to haste his boy out.

Anonymous said...

Each is accountable for his own deeds. All that suffer persicution for Christ's sake shall have a reward equal to this. Oppression does not mean a person is bad. What are the choices that are made? A person has a choice. Every soul has a choice. What did you choose? To forgive and love or do you think you are bigger than God and have the right to exicute judgement. By your own mouths you shall bring upon yourself judgement. It is written, The one mighty and strong will come. Who is he? Do you even know? or are you blinded by unbelieve. The one mighty and strong will give to each soul, as they have carried in there heart. Did you forgive your brother? Did you give a cloak for a coat? Did you walk a mile with your brother and leave judgement to God? How many of you are rejoicing in war? You then shall have your fill of it. Death is a mercy, to the rightouse and the unfaithful. The unfaithful are stopped in there sin. The rightouse go where no man can oppress them. And the Lord takes care of all the faithful. Judge not by feeble sense. A person is miserable who does not live inthe light of Christ. Christ was hung on the cross, and said, "Forgive them, they know not what they do." Howmany of us are greater than he. I am a sinner. I am seeking repentance. I wish only upon all my fellow beingings, eternal salvation. None are my enimies. I am but a human, subjected to evil and good like we all are. I have a choice like you also. To forgive or to be consumed with hate. I chose to forgive. What will you do? You wage a war with me also, because of my opinions. I say that is your right. I forgive and hold to the law of Christ. I know what was spoken by the Prophets are so. I struggle to know who God is and how to become like him. A person does not have to participate in sin. I have chosent to say no. I say no to drugs. I say no to immorality. I say no to abuse. I say no to all evil, that I see. To judge you is not my place. I put my pride away and leave it in the hands ofthe greatest judge. One who knows all. HE knows the hearts of men, and every thought they think. The greatest Judge of all. Christ. He said, sinners are cast out of heaven. IN heaven if a person as much as complains once they are cast out. I want to live with the greatest man. Christ. that is my goal. What is yours?

fttc said...

An interesting obsrevation.

Warren teaches that the LDS church is the Great and Abominable church spoken of by Isaiah.

Street let us know not too long ago that the scriptures are just paper and the 'living prophet' is more important. Now we have Anon 11:19's response to the questions asked. It reminds me of the LDS missionaries when they are asked questions regarding JS and early teachings of the church. They will not answer. They just bear their testimony again.

How can the FLDS be above the LDS when their doctrines are so similar?

Anonymous said...

American Standard

Jesus said...
LUKE 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
15:12 and the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of thy substance that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
15:13 And not many days after, the younger son gathered all together and took his journey into a far country; and there he wasted his substance with riotous living. 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that country; and he began to be in want.
15:15 And he went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 15:16And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
15:17 But when he came to himself he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish here with hunger!
15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight:
15:19 I am no more worthy to be called your son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But while he was yet afar off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight: I am no more worthy to be called thy son. 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth quickly the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
15:23 and bring the fatted calf, and kill it, and let us eat, and make merry:
15:24 for this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard music and dancing.
15:26 And he called to him one of the servants, and inquired what these things might be.
15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
15:28 But he was angry, and would not go in: and his father came out, and entreated him.
15:29 But he answered and said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, and I never transgressed a commandment of thine; and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
15:30 but when this thy son came, who hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou killedst for him the fatted calf.
15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that is mine is thine.
15:32 But it was meet to make merry and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

FOUND THIS SCRIPTURE TO REFLECT THE PERFECT SON REACTION TO THE UNPERFECT SON.

GOD LOVES BOTH. WARREN

Anonymous said...

And the matter of who God loves was never in question. Who do you love? Would you give your all for Gods kingdom or do you comprimise? You are battling a war with yourself. God does feed the faithful. He said, "How oft would I have gathered you and you would not" And you fight over what was given you. You sell your own birth right. God is the giver of all gifts. What is your reward? You fight a war that is not winnable. You fight against God. What is your desire? To walk with Christ or fight in the war.

Faithful Woman said...

10:08, the anon before you was abreviating, bom stands for the Book of Mormon

Anonymous said...

Hey, Faithful Woman, do you know why anyone would want to be handing Esther Shapley a subpoena? "however you spell it" Just curious. I can't ever imagine why!

Faithful Woman said...

Esther is Bill's wife isn't she?

Faithful Woman said...

er, was

onthestreet said...

Fttc Said: "Street let us know not too long ago that the scriptures are just paper and the 'living prophet' is more important...They will not answer. They just bear their testimony again. How can the FLDS be above the LDS when their doctrines are so similar?"
9/28/2005 11:33 AM

STREET'S REPLY: THE SCRIPTURES ARE THE WORD OF GOD. THAT IS WHAT I'VE SAID ALL ALONG, AND NOW YOU MAKE IT SOUND OTHERWISE, IN YOUR PROMOTING OF LIES. YES, THE BOOK ITSELF IS JUST PAPER, A PRINTED RECORD OF GOD'S WORD TO OTHERS THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. YOU NEED THE LIVING WORD, WHICH IS THE SAME. BUT THEN LIVING, IT IS FOR YOU, IF YOU RECEIVE IT. OTHERWISE, YOU JUST HAVE THE FORM OF GODLINESS (WORDS ON PAPER), BUT DENY THE POWER THEREOF, THE LIVING WORD. IT IS NOT LIVING IF IT'S JUST THE WORD OF GOD TO THE ANCIENTS THAT YOU DEPEND ON, WITHOUT THE WORD OF GOD TO YOU PERSONALLY, AND AS CHRIST HIMSELF SAYS, IT COMES "THROUGH MINE ANOINTED".

SO AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A PROPHET WHO REPRESENTS GOD, AND ANOINTED BY GOD HIMSELF, YOU ARE SAFE. WITHOUT THAT, YOU ARE DOOMED, FOR WITHOUT THAT VISION THROUGHT THE LINEAGE THAT TIES YOU BACK TO ADAM, THE PEOPLE PERISH, SEE? THIS IS ALL IN THE WRITTEN WORD, WHICH IS IN DIRECT ACCORDANCE WITH THE LIVING WORD. IT IS THE SEALING OF THE FATHERS TO THE SONS, AND THE SONS TO THE FATHERS. FEW HAVE EITHER THE ORAL OR THE WRITTEN TRADITION, HAVING REJECTED BOTH.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous Said: FOUND THIS SCRIPTURE TO REFLECT THE PERFECT SON REACTION TO THE UNPERFECT SON.GOD LOVES BOTH. WARREN (9/28/2005 12:53 PM)

STREET'S REPLY: AHH, BUT WHICH ONE WAS REALLY PERFECT, AND WHICH ONE IMPERFECT. TAKING UP SPACE DOES NOT PERFECT SOMEONE, BUT THE DEVELOPMENTS OF EXPERIENCE DOES IF THEY ARE RETURNED TO THE PROPHET, THE KING, OR THE FATHER, LIKE THAT BOY DID.

onthestreet said...

9/28/2005 10:15 AM: SO WELL PUT, ANONYMOUS.


Another Anonymous said... Street what do you think about the commandment about bearing false witness, not telling the truth or just bald face lying? What should happen to those that are caught in a lie? Does Prophet Warren approve lying of any sort? Is it ok for the righteous as you call them to bear false witness?
9/28/2005 10:41 AM

STREET'S REPLY: THIS IS WHY YE ARE DAMNED, FOR BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THE LORD'S ANOINTED, IN SUPPORTING SO MANY CHARGES AGAINST HIM, NOT ONE OF WHICH HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AS A TRUTH, UNLESS OF COURSE THE NUMEROUS CHARGES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST WERE ALSO TRUE.

THERE, I HAVE TOLD YOU WHEREIN YOU HAVE LIED. NOW, TELL EVERYONE, WHEREIN DID THE PROPHET LIE?

Anonymous said...

IF YOUR PROPHET IS SO RIGHTEOUS, LET HIM QUIT HIDING AND SULKING IN DARK PLACES.

AND MISTER STREET, WARREN IS NO JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS MET HIS ACCUSERS FACE TO FACE AND WENT TO THE SLAUGHTER AS A LAMB FOR YOUR SINS, WARREN'S SINS AND MY SINS, THE WHOLE WORLD SINS.

onthestreet said...
Anonymous Said: FOUND THIS SCRIPTURE TO REFLECT THE PERFECT SON REACTION TO THE UNPERFECT SON.GOD LOVES BOTH. WARREN (9/28/2005 12:53 PM)

STREET'S REPLY: AHH, BUT WHICH ONE WAS REALLY PERFECT, AND WHICH ONE IMPERFECT. TAKING UP SPACE DOES NOT PERFECT SOMEONE, BUT THE DEVELOPMENTS OF EXPERIENCE DOES IF THEY ARE RETURNED TO THE PROPHET, THE KING, OR THE FATHER, LIKE THAT BOY DID.

9/28/2005 5:43 PM

That's the answer I was looking for, Street. Neither was perfect, but God the father loved them both. One in the eyes of the world seemed to sin more while the other seem to be perfect, but he is not, because he was jealous and prideful. But, the father was very joyous he had both sons. When we come to the Father through the son, Jesus, Angels rejoice.

Street, God will Judge the world, when the time comes, like you said, Tares and Wheat.

But God is in the salvation business, right now through his Son, Jesus, until that trumpet sounds.

Street, I only know of one perfect man that walked the earth and his name was Jesus. Enoch and Ezekiel will one day will live again as the two witnesses and will die in the street testifiy against evil and will be resurrected.
Revelations 11:1-12

Chew on that

Anonymous said...

Street, you ask your questions with an answer, and answer questions with a question, all in your own dialoge, that is very hard to follow along with. It has the pretense of a riddle, with no answer. Unless you your answer it, cause it seems no other answer quite would do, seemlingly by your own admission. Save exept it comes directly from Warren.

onthestreet said...

THIS THREAD: "WHO DO WE WANT AS TRUSTEES"? THE PROPHET IS THE TRUSTEE OF THE UNITED EFFORT. IT'S JUST NOT CALL THAT TODAY, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

SINCE THE INDICTMENT OF THE PROPHET, TEXAS HAS BEEN HIT ON EVERY SIDE, WITH BOTH THE ACTS OF GOD AND ACTS OF MEN. THIS IS NOT TO CLAIM THAT CONTRARY EVENTS ACCRUE FROM THE ACTIONS AGAINST THE FLDS CHURCH. BUT GOD DOES PROCLAIM THROUGH A PROPHET WHERE JUDGEMENT SHALL BEGIN (1 Peter 4):

16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.


SINCE THE PROPHET'S INDICTMENTS:

1. TEXAS HAS BEEN HIT WITH A MAJOR HURRICANE

2. SENATOR TOM DELAY OF TEXAS HAS BEEN INDICTED WITH CRIMES. SO TEXAS IS ALL WET, AND THEY'RE REPLACING DELAY WITHOUT DELAY, WITH SOMEONE WHO IS "DRYER".

3. THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF (FROM TEXAS) NOW STANDS ACCUSED OF CAUSING THE DEATH OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN HURRICANE KATRINA, DUE TO HIS WITHHOLDING OF FEDERAL FUNDS TO SHORE UP THE LEVIES. ONLY HIS MEDIA SPINS HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME RELIEF THUS FAR IN THAT REGARD. "OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE, WHERE AM I? EVERYTHING'S HAZY, BUT SOMEHOW CLEAR. JUST SURREAL." THEN ANOTHER HURRICANE IN QUICK SUCCESSION HITS TEXAS, RIPPING UP ENTIRE TOWNS, AND THREATENING MAJOR CITIES WHILE AUTHORITIES TANGLE WITH SNARLED EVACUATIONS.

4. ILLEGAL ALIENS OUTPACE LEGALS, WHILE THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM CONTINUES TO BREAK OPEN, UNTIL YOU HAVE AN OUTRIGHT INVASION.

5. THE PRESIDENT IS LOSING YOUR HOLY WAR ON TERROR, WHILE INVOKING GOD INTO THE MIX. GOD BLESS OUR PRESIDENT. GOD BLESS TEXAS, AND AMERICA TOO. YOU ALL CERTAINLY NEED A BLESSING AT THIS POINT, LEST THE CONSUMPTION DEGREED BE LITERALLY FULFILLED.

6. THIS IS ALL JUST THE BEGINNING, THE TIP OF A VERY DEADLY ICEBURG (D&C:43, 45):

43:11: Purge ye out the iniquity which is among you; sanctify yourselves before me... 18] For the day cometh that the Lord shall utter his voice out of heaven; the heavens shall shake and the earth shall tremble, and the trump of God shall sound both long and loud, and shall say to the sleeping nations. [19] Ye saints arise and live. [20] Ye sinners stay and sleep until I shall call again...[30] How oft have I called upon you by the mouth of my servants; and by the ministering of angels; and by mine own voice; and by the voice of thunderings; and by the voice of lightnings; and by the voice of tempests; and by the voice of earthquakes; and great hail-storms; and by the voice of famines, and pestilences of every kind; and by the great sound of a trump; and by the voice of judgment; and by the voice of mercy all the day long; and by the voice of glory, and honor, and the riches of eternal life; and would have saved you with an everlasting salvation, but ye would not?

45:[26] And in that day shall be heard of wars and rumors of wars, and the whole earth shall be in commotion, and men's hearts shall fail them, and they shall say that Christ delayeth his coming until the end of the earth. 28 And when the time of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel; 29 But they receive it not; for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men. 30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. [28] And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land. [29] But my disciples shall stand in holy places, and shall not be moved; but among the wicked, men shall lift up their voices and curse God and die. [30] And there shall be earthquakes also in divers places, and many desolations; yet men will harden their hearts against me, and they will take up the sword, one against another, and they will kill one another.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (9/28/2005 6:32 PM)

IF YOUR PROPHET IS SO RIGHTEOUS, LET HIM QUIT HIDING AND SULKING IN DARK PLACES. AND MISTER STREET, WARREN IS NO JESUS CHRIST. JESUS MET HIS ACCUSERS FACE TO FACE AND WENT TO THE SLAUGHTER AS A LAMB FOR YOUR SINS, WARREN'S SINS AND MY SINS, THE WHOLE WORLD SINS...THAT'S THE ANSWER IS WAS LOOKING FOR, STREET:

STREET'S REPLY: "Then took they up stones to cast at him: BUT JESUS HID HIMSELF (John 8: 59). "MINE ANOINTED IS LIKE GOD": "The Lord said to Ezekiel: "I will give them one heart {an undivided heart -- NIV}, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them a heart of flesh" (Ezek.11:19, KJV)." "I will put my own spirit within you, I will make you live by My laws, and you shall obey and observe My orders" (v.27, Moff.). If we go back a couple of verses He says: "..I will pour clean water over you, cleansing you for your impurities and purifying you..." (v.25, Moff., cp. Eph.5:25-26). There can be little doubt that all these passages refer to the Holy Spirit which "cleanses" and "purifies". There is no evidence either here or elsewhere in the Bible that our own spirits are exchanged for new ones.

Anonymous said...

The father was very joyous he had both sons. When we come to the Father through the son, Jesus, Angels rejoice.
I just want to re-echo because it means so much to me. And in witch, I have so much to be thankful for.

Anonymous said...

SINCE THE INDICTMENT OF THE PROPHET, TEXAS HAS BEEN HIT ON EVERY SIDE, WITH BOTH THE ACTS OF GOD AND ACTS OF MEN. THIS IS NOT TO CLAIM THAT CONTRARY EVENTS ACCRUE FROM THE ACTIONS AGAINST THE FLDS CHURCH. BUT GOD DOES PROCLAIM THROUGH A PROPHET WHERE JUDGEMENT SHALL BEGIN (1 Peter 4):


Oh, Street give me a break.....I thought you where smarter that this. You sound like Ruth, sorry Ruth.

You sound like those liberal dummycrats.

Also, Jesus "hid" himself because it wasn't the appointed time for his death and stoning was not the death God chose for him. Hanging on a tree was.

Come up with a better approach. You just showed your butt.

PS: Be careful casting stones at the president. He is God chosen too.

Anonymous said...

hurricanes? indictments? aliens? tip of the iceberg?

roflmao

street you've stooped to an all time low...

the only kind of people you're going to get to buy into that deal are the same kind of people who think those 19 thugs from 9/11 are hanging out in heaven right now, getting head from 72 virgins.

what's it take for a guy like you to finally recognize a fraud? ... have him piss on your shoes?

keep sweet eldorado
stg

i'm looking out my window in L.A. There's a big brush fire off in the foothills...don't suppose i just pissed off jesus...ooooooouuuuwwwww

Anonymous said...

Ester Shapley's daughter Kandi is one of the ones that is stepping up and telling the truth of what is happening in her marriage and why she left. We sure appreciate her and the courage it takes to do what is right.

onthestreet said...

ANONYMOUS SAID (9/28/2005 8:48 PM): Oh, Street give me a break... Jesus "hid" himself because it wasn't the appointed time... STREET'S REPLY: THAT'S RIGHT. IT WASN'T THE LORD'S TIME, SO HE HID (AND IT IS THE HIDING THAT YOU CALL COWARDICE). IT IS NOT THE PROPHETS TIME, SO HE DOES LIKE THE LORD AND HIDES, WHOM YOU CALL COWARDICE LIKE YOUR LORD.

THAT'S THE ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, AS PER YOUR POST: Anonymous said (9/28/2005 6:32 PM): "If your prophet is so righteous, let him quit hiding and sulking in dark places". WELL THEN, IF HIDING MEANS CHRIST IS SULKING AND IN DARK PLACES, YOU'VE GOT SOME SERIOUS, EVEN FATAL, CHARGES FOR SUCH ACCUSATIONS AGAINST YOUR LORD. HOW SO? YOU ARE NOT OF HIM, AND WHOEVER IS NOT WITH HIM, NOR OF HIS SPIRIT, IS AGAINST HIM, JESUS CHRIST. EVEN GOD PROCLAIMS: "I WILL HIDE MY FACE FROM THE WORLD". SO YOUR CHARGES AGAINST GOD AND HIS CHRIST ARE VERY SERIOUS.

You say: "PS: Be careful casting stones at the president. He is God chosen too. STREET'S REPLY: WHAT I JUST SAID ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT IS "GOD BLESS HIM". THIS BLOG HAS ALWAYS SEEN ME CONFESS HIM AS GOD'S SERVANT. HERE, LET ME REPOST IT FOR YOU: "3. THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF (FROM TEXAS) NOW STANDS ACCUSED OF CAUSING THE DEATH OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN HURRICANE KATRINA. I DO NOT CHARGE HIM SO, FOR LIKE I'VE SAID IN VARIOUS POSTS, HE IS GOD'S SERVANT. YOU ARE THE ONES WHO CHARGE HIM, AND NOW THE POPULAR OPINION IS AGAINST HIM. POPULAR MEANS THE POPULACE. I'M JUST QUOTING THE MEDIA CHARGES AGAINST HIM SPINNING TALES.

THEN I FINISHED WITH THIS: "5. THE PRESIDENT IS LOSING YOUR HOLY WAR ON TERROR, WHILE INVOKING GOD INTO THE MIX. GOD BLESS OUR PRESIDENT." SEE, HE INVOKES GOD WHILE YOUR WAR IS YOURS. THE LORD HAS DECREED WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS UPON THE WICKED. YOU CAN'T BLAME OUR NOBLE PRESIDENT FOR YOU OWN SINS AND CRIMES AGAINST A PROPHET AND HUMANITY AS A WHOLE. SEE, YOU JUST SHOWED YOUR NEUDERED SELF.

ANOTHER ANONYMOUS SAID (MY, HOW YOU ALL HIDE SO COWARDLY BEHIND YOUR ANONYMOUS BEHINDS):
"hurricanes? indictments? aliens? tip of the iceberg? roflmao: STREET'S REPLY: YES, SO DID THE FOLKS ON THE TITANIC ROFLMAO BEFORE THEIR DOOM CAME AT THE BEHEST OF AN ICEBERG. FOR THE IGNORANT, ROFLMAO IS "ROLLING ON THE FLOOR, LAUGHING MY F----- ASS OFF." FOR SURE, THEY WERE ROLLING ON THE FLOOR AS IT SUNK, "AND THE EARTH SHALL REEL TO AND FRO AS A DRUNKEN MAN.

YOU ALSO MANUFACTURE MORE LIES IN ACCUSING ME OF SUGGESTING "ALIENS". SO IF YOU ARE A TRUTHFUL PERSON, GIVE US ALL THE DATE AND TIME OF THAT POST. OTHERWISE, YOU ARE A PROVEN LIAR. THEN YOU SPEAK OF "GETTING HEAD FROM 72 VIRGINS", AND "PISSING", WHICH EXPOSES YOUR OWN SELF AS A SEXUAL PERVERT TO BOOT. THEN YOU CONFESS: "I'm looking out my window in L.A. There's a big brush fire off in the foothills...don't suppose i just pissed off jesus...ooooooouuuuwwwww".

PERHAPS THE BLOG AND ALL OF TEXAS CAN JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY, AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES.

Anonymous said...

Street you poor smuck.

Warren is no Jesus.
Comparing Warren actions with Jesus is blasphemy.

Street everyone who participates in this discussion is accountable for every word written.

And wars and rumors of wars will fall on the wicked and the just.

As for any hurricanes, tornado, wild fire, floods or war,
sh.t happens to the righteous and the unrighteous.

It is how you respond to trials, do you turn away from God or embrace Him, trusting Him as a child to help you get through the trial put before you.

Warren's followers, no matter where they are located on this planet are not immune to sickness, death and perils.

Street. Not even Warren himself, is immune.

SEE, YOU JUST SHOWED YOUR NEUDERED SELF.

Anonymous said...

No street they didn't acuse you of bringing up aliens or extra terrestrials. They simply know how to get your dander up.
Don't give affence and you won't take affence.

Anonymous said...

And according to the Spectrum, your fires are raging. I will make no comment. Enjoy your raging wild fires; this to 4;45 poster.

fttc said...

Seems Hildale/CC was threatened with one of those last year. Of course the Lord could not protect his 'saints' so the 'gentiles' had to come save the town.

Oh of course, how could I forget? The Lord did not have the power to do it himself so HE sent the 'gentiles' to do it for him! Strange He let the fires start in the first place.

Anonymous said...

"YOU SPEAK OF "GETTING HEAD FROM 72 VIRGINS", AND "PISSING", WHICH EXPOSES YOUR OWN SELF AS A SEXUAL PERVERT TO BOOT. "

nice try street... but sorry, the old "takes one to know one" deal only works for 12 year olds and maybe warrenites...

you're selling but ain't nobody buying

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

anom: 9/29/2005 12:11 PM

i'm looking at a bible...
"the world will go down in a ball of flames"
check

i'm looking at my insurance policy...
"replacement in case of fire"
check

break out the smores and wieners

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

How laughable you are fttc! of course the Lord allowed these fires. "In my house shall it began", and the wicked in our City will be removed also. The Lord is no respectors of persons. He will clean up this City. And He will clean up this nation. You make a mock. The Lord said he will judge the nation's. It is required of us all to forgive. Who have you forgiven? You only make a mock and try to promote war. You then will be given a sword. And you will battle with the Armies of heaven. That is what is written in the book. As your faith is so shall it be. The Lord does not discriminate. If you sin you need repentance. He is the one who said he would clean up this nation. We did not right the book. We follow and believe. You are accountable to him. And non-the-less, he sent rain and the people sought war. He then sent fire and as your faith is, so shall it be. God is no respectors of persons.

fttc said...

Why, thank you! It was meant as humor. What is more laughable is the self righteousness of the FLDS.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
anom: 9/29/2005 12:11 PM

i'm looking at a bible...
"the world will go down in a ball of flames"...check

i'm looking at my insurance policy..."replacement in case of fire"...check break out the smores and wieners. keep sweet eldorado stg 9/29/2005 1:31 PM


STREET'S REPLY: ALL YOU'RE DOING THERE IS MOCKING THE BIBLE, NOT CHECKING IT AT ALL, NOR CONSULTING WITH THE LORD. YOU MOCK HIM TOO, TO HIS FACE.

THE RECENT HURRICANES HAVE DEVASTATED THE SOUTH. MANY FLED, AND THEN THE HURRICANE FOLLOW THEM AND HIT AGAIN. MANY OF THOSE ALSO FELT THEY HAD ADEQUATE INSURANCE, JUST NOT WITH THE LORD.

NOW, THE DEMOCRATS ARE ENUMERATING A MULTITUDE OF CORRUPTIONS AT THE HIGHEST NATIONAL LEVELS, INVOLVING MEN FROM THE SOUTH, WHAT THEY CALL THE NEW CULTURAL CORRUPTION, AND YOU CAN'T STOP IT. FIRST IT IS REPULBICAN, THEN DEMOCRAT, BACK AND FORTH LIKE A YO YO.

GO AHEAD AND BREAK OUT YOUR WIENER, LIKE YOU SAY.

Anonymous said...

street has become the delusional voice crying in the wilderness. His Messiah, Warren Jeffs mus fulfill all the miracles of healing, feeding the poor, raising the dead, setting the sanhedrin straight, be crucified, die on the cross, raised on the dead, present himself as the risen savior to up to 500 persons at once, asscend into heaven and sit at the right hand of God the Father.

Has anyone seen these characteristics in street's messiah?

Anonymous said...

STREET WE ARE MOCKING YOU...

Anonymous said...

errr?
I'm mocking the Lord?

To think that the Lord would disrupt the world, displace 100,000's of people from their homes, kill scores, force chaos in our government just because we have a problem with some guys who like to have sex with children?

... who's mocking who here?

keep sweet eldorado
stg

onthestreet said...

AHH, BUT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT? IN AMERICA, YOU RAPE YOUR WIVES AND CALL IT MARRIAGE. TARES WITHIN THE FLDS TRY IT, AND GET CAST OUT. YOU MURDER YOU CHILDREN BY THE MILLIONS, AND CALL IT CHOICE. THE FLDS BRING FORTH LIFE ABUNDANTLY, WITHOUT RESTRICTION.

WHAT IS MORE ABUSE OF CHILDREN THAN TO RAPE THEIR MOTHERS CONTINUALLY WHILE THE CHILD IS SEEKING A HEALTHY CREATION, EXCEPT TO MURDER THEM AFTER THEY ARE CREATED.

THE PROPHET HAS ALWAYS TOLD THE FLDS SAINTS: "YOU LEAVE THAT WOMAN ALONE", IN TERMS OF SEXUAL RELATIONS. SEE? WHERE ARE THE CRIMINALS AND SEXUAL PERVERTS?

AND THE DRAGON SHALL DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD (Rev. 12:9, 20:8)

Anonymous said...

SO STREET... WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE FLDS SAINTS IS GOOD FOR
PROPHET WARREN.

"WARREN YOU LEAVE THAT WOMAN ALONE."

Boy do I feel better.

ME

Anonymous said...

street what knowledge/experience do you have of sexual relations? if it is little or none, then why do you critisize it? also, who is the pervert, a person with a healthy relationship, or someone with no experience(that they will admit to) who keeps dwelling on the subject? Just innocent curiousity.
Name

onthestreet said...

SEE, WARREN RESCUES THE FAITHFUL FROM THEIR ABUSERS, AND LEAVES THEM UNDEFILED. THEY THEMSELVES ARE HIS WITNESSES, AND GOD HIS GREATEST WITNESS.

AS FOR ME, I FEEL HONORED IN MY INEXPERIENCE WITH SUCH MATTERS. YET, ALL HAVE SINNED. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF REPENTANCE. THE MOST INNOCENT IS THE MOST QUALIFIED TO SPEAK AGAINST SIN, "AND EVEN A LITTLE CHILD SHALL LEAD THEM".

YES, THE PERSON WITH "THE HEALTHY" SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP IS THE SEXUAL PERVERT, FOR IT IS A PATHOLOGY OF THE MIND AND HEART TO LUST AFTER ANY WOMAN, JUST AS THE LORD SAYS:

"WHOSO LOOKETH UPON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER, HATH COMMITTED ADULTER ALREADY", SAITH THE LORD.

YOU ASK "WHY DO YOU KEEP DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT"? BECAUSE YOU KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT, LIKE JUST NOW IN ASKING: "STREET, WHAT KNOWLEDGE/EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE..."

SEE, YOU DWELL ON IT, AND THEN BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR CRIMES, AND CALL IT GOOD.

Faithful Woman said...

No, you dwell on it much more than all of the questions others put to you about it alltogether.

Faithful Woman said...

BACK TO THE TOPIC:

The deadline for signatures has been extended to the 5th. Not voting for the Hoole group of proposed trustees is an automatic vote for the "three wise men" and their attorneys. Can the UEP afford to pay 7 specialists $200 an hour for 40 hours a day even once?
How are those who have been kicked out with nothing going to be compensated for the loss of their life's work? That land didn't just appear on the trust list of assets. The people were demanded to give "donations" that bought that property. That is not "free" money, nor was it contributed by warren.

onthestreet said...

FAITHLESS SAID: "Can the UEP afford to pay 7 specialists $200 an hour for 40 hours a day even once?

HATE TO BREAK THE NEWS TO YOU ON TIME, BUT IN MAN'S TIME THERE ARE ONLY 24 HOURS IN A DAY. FAIRLY BASIC STUFF THERE.

onthestreet said...

Faithless (10/03/2005 1:45 PM):

AS FOR THIS, YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD, AS CHRIST OFTEN INFORMED ALL WHO WANTED TO POSSESS THE WORLD, OR ANY PART OF IT, WHICH BELONGS TO HIM:

You said: "How are those who have been kicked out with nothing going to be compensated for the loss of their life's work? That land didn't just appear on the trust list of assets. The people were demanded to give "donations" that bought that property. That is not "free" money, nor was it contributed by warren.
10/03/2005 1:45 PM

WE ARE REQUIRED TO SACRIFICE ALL THINGS, BUT TO WHOM? TO THE LORD, THROUGH HIS ANOINTED. UMM, CAN YOU SWALLOW IT?

Anonymous said...

faithful:
where do the petitions get sent to?
can we fax them in?

Faithful Woman said...

Yes, I gave a fax number at the top of the string. Sam Brower has been collecting the signatures to turn in to the attorneys, as is his job.

Faithful Woman said...

misunderstand me correctly Street. I ment 40 hours a WEEK.

Faithful Woman said...

NO I can't swollow that, and warren wasn't anointed either.

rumor-has-it said...

Since Uncle Roy's time, we, "The people" have purchased three plots to add to the UEP. The first was out by the sewer treatment facility and to the airport. It was facilitated by Bill Roundy.

The second was from the old reservoir to the new reservoir and over by Don Timpsons corner. This is called the Carling Property.

The third includes Wendell Nielsons house and Western Precision, down along the highway. THis was facilitated by Richard Holm.

All the businesses are on a 99 year lease with the state.

There are actually only a couple people that own land. David Stubbs, Don Timpson, Gordon Meldrum and Lauritzens and Black Family Trust.

So, this is one of the only places in the United States that I know of that the entire town is owned by one controling interest and that a religion could have such a hold on people.

If people had owned their own land, do you think this could have ever happened?

fttc said...

Rumor

Are you talking of the businesses in the industrial park? Is this still state owned property?

rumor-has-it said...

Yes it is. It is all 99 year leases with the state. (as far I know). They can get loans and stuff against it tho. I'm not sure how that works.

Anonymous said...

Of course Warren was anointed prophet. He had Rube Goldberg officiate in his being ordained.

Faithful Woman said...

Wasn't that Whoopie Goldberg?

Anonymous said...

No, Faith. That was a whoopie CUSHION. Anon 8:14 put it under you! Don't be embarrassed. That sound is emitted everywhere on this blog. It's followed by a guffaw or a belly-laugh.

Anonymous said...

And I'm e-guffawing now!

Faithful Woman said...

Sounds just as official as warren's corinatin bugals.

Anonymous said...

I think Warren ordained a cushion to the office of High Comfort Apostle, this cushion in turn ordained his drink of water to Pure & Holy Fountain, and this water then was drank ordained him to the office of who knows what while sitting on his sacred cushion drinking holy water. This makes more sense that what I understand about his being ordained, and is more along the lines of a Rube Goldberg contraption.

Faithful Woman said...

could you make it a little more clear what a Rube Goldberg contraption is?

onthestreet said...

The grossness of words from the grossest of minds. The best way to attain unto truth is to quiet the gross mind and meditate with teachers along the way giving us examples.

ACTS 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,

26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:

27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Faithful Woman said...

not you street, anon 12:58

onthestreet said...

Thank you. I wouldn't like my heart to be waxed gross.

Anonymous said...

Go to www.rubegoldberg.com