Saturday, September 17, 2005

Where are they now?

There have been several posters who have asked about individuals and there present whereabouts. Here is a place to post requests so they won't get lost in the dialogue.

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well the we can ask the adminstrator go back to taking bloggers by invitation.

Street and Ruth still could sneak through but it might be worth a try.

rumor-has-it said...

I know many people are tired of Ruth and Street, but you have to realize this is therapy for them and many others. There are hundreds of people looking for answers and feeling lonely and depressed because of what has happened in the last couple years. At least they will talk. Most of the other ones won't.

When you think of them send happy thoughts. It works for me.

Anonymous said...

Rumor has it, I think it would be a good Idea for the web adminastration to have people registar. I never disagreed with this. Maybe then other's will not use some one's name freely. And if you remember that nobody talked when they had a person registar, then your complaint is full of bull.
And you could honor the purpose of the page, and leave it open for those looking for some one, and not contaminate with your critasizim. Your filthy critasism.I do not think that the people that are honest want any thing to do with liers tho.

Paladin for Truth said...

I think it is fine for Ruth and OTS to post, the admin should let them post in other areas. He should delete anything here that does not have to do with finding people. I am always interested in finding a long lost friend or a recently missing one. Anyone else agree?

Richard said...

I am still interested in learning anything I can about two daughters of Gale and Robert Blackmore (of Bountiful, BC) who we have been told are married to Warren. I am a friend of Gale's father.

feralfem said...

I agree with Paladin for Truth.

It would be SO NICE if everyone would agree to ONLY post information about loved ones on this thread; then our wonderful Admin wouldn't have to delete anything.

The main reason I frequent this blog is, like Paladin, to hear about lost or silent loved ones.

On other threads here, I enjoy the local information exchanges and the sharing of personal experiences. The proselytizing, personal attacks and name-calling are disgusting and unwelcome. Shouldn't we all just get along and behave like sensible adults?

(In the interest of keeping this thread ONLY about it's title, "Where are they now?" I will happily delete this entry in a day or so.)

Namaste

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a clue where Uncle Rulon's wives are, besides being married to Warren.

Is Warren't mother still alive?

Anonymous said...

I agee with keeping the name calling out of it. I think that a person can be asked about with out a lot of slander. And if all the people on this blog would tend them selves the web adminastrator would not have too.

onthestreet said...

I for one enjoy people finding their friends, if that is what they are. It's just bothersome, very troubling, for people to be asking about finding a man's wives, or anyone who has chosen to distance themselves from those they consider apostates. Then you should just leave them alone. They don't want anything to do with you.

For example: Why the HECK do you want another man's wives, women who willinly and freely are with the man they are with? What perverted aim would you serve, except as a stalker? That's just the question, isn't it.

However, if the lost "friends" you seek are not with the FLDS and not seeking seclusion from the world, I'm all for you finding them, and would voluntarilly not comment about it.

mugwump said...

I still believe in freedom of speech. I will continue to exercise that right here.

Anyone who reads this blog faithfully knows that I don't take any blogna from street. I realize that he, in all probability has some mental problems, and if not that at least serious psycholological problems i.e., problems with personal identity, and a need to justify himself no matter how costly doing so might affect the well being of others who are seeking information and/or enlightment from this site.

It is very obvious that ots thinks that only he has a right to dictate to you and to me as how we should believe and live our lives. I'll share my testimony occasionally, because I feel it is my privledge to do so, but in no way do I feel threatened by street's harangue. Puzzled? Yes. Threatened? No. If my Lord could die for my sin, why shouldn't I live for Him?

You well know that street & I widely differ on doctrine. He professes to be FLDS, (I think?). I am a born again Christian. I confess I don't understand half the stuff he posts, but suspect that his purpose in continuing to find fault with everyone else stems from his low self esteem and in an attempt to make someone, whom he deems superior to himself, (WJ?) think that he is very intelligent. He may be, but using termnology not understood by the common man does not serve any purpose on this blog. Perhaps that alone is his purpose. Gross confusion.

I am curious about the inner workings of the FLDS mindset. I don't know if street's incompetence is shared with the group as a whole.

Can someone, say fttc, merycia, or ogre give me a clue as to where street's off-the-wall attempts to teach come from? What is the supportive material for his bizarre take on life based upon? I know he constantly makes reference to .com's, but I don't have the time nor the inclination to spend my whole day trying to decipher anything that at best is only vagely relevant.

I am native to central west Texas. We haven't had many mormons of any description come into our towns until very recently. The missionaries look to be clean cut, fine young men but, we have discovered that the purpose for knocking on our doors is to prosolyte. I don't find them as obnoxious as Jehovah's Witnesses, but I spend enough time presenting my case here. I am not about to change my mind so they are wasting their time and mine as well.

Mormons seem to be having some success in San Angelo. The FLDS has caused us who are native to this area to place a blanket of protection over Schliecher County and the towns with which me most associate. The activities of YFZ and Warren Jeffs are of great interest.

Mormons of any group are not especially welcome here because of the false publicity related to the organization and establishment of YFZ and the secrecy that continues to surround that compound.

My purpose here is not to lay blame, but to seek understanding.

watching from the sidelines said...

Where is Truman Barlow? Why is he hiding out and forsaking the legacy of Uncle Roy? Is he still repenting to become one of Warren's faithful? One of Winston's prophecies that hasn't come true yet, was after Truman was revived back to life after his heart attack. Winston stated that Truman would eventually become one of the great leaders of the gospel. He better get out of his shell and get with it. He could be a great inspiration to the people. Unless it is true that he is a criminal and extortionist.
I would also like to know about Uncle Dan Barlow. Uncle Dan has always been a great inspiration to the people. Why doesn't he stand up and give the people some directive, some hope and inspiration.
These great men such as Dan Barlow, Joe Jessop, Spencer Johnson, Arthur Blackmore, Vaughn Fischer, etc. etc. etc. have been with this work for ever through rough times. They have worked with God to pull out of crisis before. Why do they just stand by now and watch the destruction happen?

Anonymous said...

4;57

And it is written, "Stand ye in holy places and watch the hand of the Lord made manifest."

Anonymous said...

didn't some of Rulon's wives go to Jim Allred and some to Wendel Neilson, and some to Leroy Jeffs(that one kicked out now)

Faithful Woman said...

Dan and Truman were both in St George still.

rumor-has-it said...

ODE to Uncle Danny...

A business man, A mayor, a town leader, an example of living within his means, a loving father and husband, an educator, a communicator. A simple man with a simple faith. Put forth in shining example. Living the principles he taught. Showing love and compassion to all. He accepts people for who they were and are and helps encourage those along the way.

He had a simple story he would teach in Sunday School. "A man was robbed, who was the loser?"

Since his family has been torn to shreds and he has been exiled...he has become more of what he always was. If you bump into him in Walmart, or Village Inn or anywhere in St. George, he will greet you with a smile and a warm hug or handshake and say "It's great to see a familiar face." He doesn't judge by the clothes you wear or the company you keep (like so many from the creek).

I admire him for making the best of his circumstances. And realize that he "had" enough influence with the people that he could have changed the tide with three little words...

Warren is Wrong.

Anonymous said...

Does any one know if Craig Jessop got kicked? I noticed he is working in Mesquite for Legacy construction company. Still wears the same clothes..but looks a little sad.

rumor-has-it said...

A Story of M D

A man and his wife of seven years had a issue that they needed to have council on so they went to Warren Jeffs for some advise.

This couple had left the work, "done their own choosing" and had came back to CC and were forgiven and re-married to each other by the prophet.
They truely loved each other and thought that maybe The Husband could get rebaptized and The Wife forgave him and they could make progress. They were concerned with the shortness of the time and hoped that they could make the grade.

Warren Jeffs listened to the situation and then turned to the woman and said "There is no forgiveness and no time left. This man cannot take you to the highest degree of glory." I want you to make a decision. You can either leave town with him now and never come back or you can leave him and be placed with a man that can take you to the celestial kingdom. You have a hour to decide.

While the pressure was on.. The Wife decided that she would rather have the Celestial Kingdom than the wonderful father and husband she had. He was exiled and she was remarried within a week to a man with two wives. She is still learning how to survive in a family so different from her own. Feelings don't disappear overnight and tho she and the five children love him, they feel at peace doing the prophets will.

Anonymous said...

Thanks rumor-has-it

Do you know how Allen Steed is getting along?

He is a good man.

Eye & Ear Witness said...

*Story of E.D. and the Truth*
There are many things a person experiences for reasons unknown to them, however the Lord has His purpose in such things. When Joseph Smith saw the Father and the Son, there were many well meaning people that encouraged Joseph to deny what he really saw, and then there were others who sought to destroy him. I had such an experience; no I did not see the Father and the Son, but I did find Them. I will briefly relate.
The bizzare actions of the FLDS leadership grew over the years to an alarming level in our society. We would watch Warren lead his Father, telling him what to say at meetings, editing and restating his fathers comments from previous meetings, and many, many other strategic and manipulating efforts made publicly and in private by Warren (one would certainly conclude that the "one man rule" was a farse from the beginning watching such conduct).
Some time after Rulon Jeffs had his stroke, I had the pleasure of visiting Winston Blackmore while in Canada. I hadn't visited in several years and was riding in his truck visiting when the truck phone rang. I was in the front passenger seat, Winston was driving and he placed the phone on his right ear directly within inches of my left ear. I clearly recognized Warrens voice on the phone and when Winston made no effort to pull away from me and secure better privacy for the call, I sat still where I was. Winston made no effort to keep the conversation private he seemed to have nothing to hide. I listened to Warren tell his father almost word for word everything to say, dismissing Winston from his responsibilties as the Bishop and calling another in his place. Winston remained calm during this horrific episode of unrightousness at its darkest. Warren then ended the call. I was shocked for all my fears had been realized: Warren was doing what he said he was going to prevent others from doing. Warren used Rulon Jeffs in his stricken state to accomplish something other than what God had designed for this order of the Priesthood to continue. This people were being led by an aspiring man, one who sought to steady the ark of God, only to ensure their destruction.
I had an appointment With Warren later that week after returning from Canada and he took the liberty of telling me how "father handled Winston all by himself, all I did was dial the number." Warren never knew I was in that truck and heard the truth. To this day I wish that Fred Jessop, Joe, Dan, or Louis Barlow, Merrill Jessop, Leroy Jeffs or any other man of significant infulence was in that truck at the moment I was. Well as I said before, God has His purpose in it and I believe that God wanted usto seek Him out. The purpose of the servants of God have been to turn the people to the One Man, Jesus Christ, the only One who can judge the hearts of man and who is the Savior of all humanity that will take upon them His name.
I told this story to a few and like the story of Joseph many sought my removal from their society "even if it be by destruction" to quote from the prayer of Warren. Some believed. I taught my family the truth all the days of their lives and they are with me today in the service of our fellow man. We have kept our covenants. I would like to say to those who know that something is out of place with the direction that Warren is taking them, teach your families what really saves the human soul, you'll find it in the Bible, BofM, and TPJS. Teach your wives to keep their covenants and you keep yours and be a man that is lovable (who wants to spend eternity with a grouch). I'll end with this, if you knew what I knew you would do what I did.

fttc said...

Eye and Ear

Thank you for sharing this. I am one you shared it with about a year ago. I like to see this kind of testimony exhibited. My whole purpose on this blog has been to try to wake some people up. There are those who have and will brand you as a liar. There are also those who will relate to what you went through and see they are not the only ones seeing things amiss.

Hope all keeps going well with you! I know you're one who feels you only went up when you went out. We all did, some are just slow to realize it!

Anonymous said...

I passed Allen Steed in Mesquite running a mini-excavator. I'm not sure if he works for Mesquite city or for one of the major construction businesses in Mesquite. If I hadn't been in such a hurry, I would have stopped and said Hi!

rumor-has-it said...

I heard that Steven Harker sold Sterling Harker's house and property out from under him and told him to go find another job.

Just rumors...sounds just like something that Steven would do though. He sold out when he got up in church and compared Warren and U. Rulon to the Father and the Son.

fttc said...

Steven was one of those unexpected surprises to me. He seemed to be following in his Father's footsteps and then he did a 180 and fell in lockstep with warren. It was a sad day. I was of the understanding that Sterling owned the property he was living on. Maybe I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

Question about this statement....I heard that Steven Harker sold Sterling Harker's house and property out from under him and told him to go find another job.

Is this property in Shortcreek or somewhere else?

Justcurious

rumor-has-it said...

It is in Beryl, UT. Parley Harker had a farm there. I thought that Sterling owned his property too. That each of the brothers had a share. But someone told me that Bob Holt had bought it. Harkers and Sons run diesel trucks in Mesquite and also have a framing company. They have got to be a big contributor to WJ. They had a potato sorting operation in CC that moved out a couple months ago. They moved it to somewhere in NV. Another one of those UEP assets that are missing. The big cellar is there in CC and all the machines and stuff moved out. We had many a work project to get that in production. And WJ himself came to the potato field and blessed it and it was at that time we saw the pictures at Harvest Fest and saw many of Uncle Rulons wives with Warren and Uncle Rulon had not died and was not there.

fttc said...

Where is Sterling and Alvin Harker now?

Anonymous said...

Rumor...What time frame was this?
And WJ himself came to the potato field and blessed it and it was at that time we saw the pictures at Harvest Fest and saw many of Uncle Rulons wives with Warren and Uncle Rulon had not died and was not there.

Just Curious

rumor-has-it said...

I think the pictures were in June or so..not really sure. It was when they were planting the potato field by Cedar City and in Apple Valley.

Greg Holm and the Barlow Boys died in Aug and Uncle Rulon died in Sept of 2002. Harvest Fest was in October and someone had a lovely picture board up of the planting and harvesting.

They had a story of Warren Jeffs blessing the ground and the seeds and they said it was the best crop they had ever planted. Needless to say both plots were fresh ground that had never been planted and that potatoes do best in that kind of soil anyway.

Anonymous said...

Well harvesting and planting is not going so well in zion. Having to water with potty water. Every thing is blessed and holy in zion land.

Anonymous said...

does anyone know the wherabouts of Wendell Nielsen or Leroy Jeffs?

Anonymous said...

Question for those who might know.
Where Leroy Jeffs wives living in Texas?

Anonymous said...

No Leroy Jeffs moved from CC and within a couple weeks he was kicked out. But his wives and family never made it to Texas. Nobody knows exactly where they are. Or he is.

Anonymous said...

To bad about Leroy and his family. But was he in Texas and was he really kicked out?

Faithful Woman said...

Yes, Leroy was really kicked out. The "outs" were telling about it for two months to "in's" who refused to believe it untill warren finally got up enough guts to have it told to the congregation.

If he will kickout Leroy Jeffs and Allan Steed, none of them are safe, saint or not. He will just use them and discard them.

Anonymous said...

more to the point, why was Leroy kicked out, and is he trying to get back in?
F.W. when did Leroy get booted?
where's Wendell? in Mancos? or Mexico?

Faithful Woman said...

warren doesn't give reasons, just God told me so.

onthestreet said...

Now, that is right faithful of him, woman, a prophet being answerable not to man, but to God. Do you see him being answerable to anyone, high or low? The world looks on with amazement. Yet, he doesn't destroy the law, he fulfills the law. There is good law, and there is bad law, and all is resolved. Everyone knows that. Then, there is the rushing of demons to accuse and destroy all that God wants accused and destroyed. All else, they cannot touch, for that is as high as the sun is above the earth.

Anonymous said...

Then, there is the rushing of demons to accuse and destroy all that God wants accused and destroyed.

This is warrens calling and apparently he needs OTS to help him do the acusing.

fttc said...

Does anyone know the status of U. Joe Jessop and Vaughn Fischer? Heard they recently got the boot, I mean adjustment.

Anonymous said...

Reply to rumor-has-it, at 9/20/2005 10:28 PM

Yes Dan Barlow is a fine man. But he is not above taking the welfare benefits that are paid for his son and keeping them for him self. How "noble" is that? What kind of "a loving father" would do that? That money is for his son's welfare, not Dan's.

If he is "living within his means" then why didn't he do the honest thing and get the money to his son? Why did he say he needed this money and kept if from his own son?

What he has done is not a "shining example" in my opinion.

Is his actions "Showing love and compassion to all." I think NOT.

To use your/his words "A man was robbed, who was the loser?"

A boy was robbed, DAN'S VERY OWN BOY WAS ROBBED BY HIS OWN FATHER. Who was the loser?

Anonymous said...

Vaugh Fischer did not get the "boot"! He is in the St. George hospital right now with severe colon cancer. People suppoesed he did because they had not seen him with his family lately. He is very sick and just undergone surgery on his colon. We all wish him the very best and remember all the good times we had with him as the Supervisor of the Log Shop operation! There was a time when he had worked on every house in town. He did alot to help
anyone he could.

fttc said...

Our prayers are with him. I do not know him well personally but have only heard good about him.

fttc said...

What about U. Joe Jessop?

Anonymous said...

I want to know how Esther Shapley is doing. She is one fine woman, and would like to know how and where I could get in touch with her. She is one of the most giving, loving, and considerate women that ever graced this earth. So, if anyone can tell me, I would appreciate it very much. Thanks

Anonymous said...

so you can hand her a subpoena probably

Anonymous said...

so you can hand her a subpoena probably

Anonymous said...

Is someone trying to hassle her too? What has she ever done? We used to be close friends, and I haven't heard or seen her for such a long time. Why would anyone be looking for her on that plain?

Faithful Woman said...

sigh, it seems lately that warren has waited till a man is down to kick him out. That still isn't enough confirmation to say that Vaughn is not kicked.

onthestreet said...

KICKED WHEN HE IS DOWN: ALL ARMIES DO THAT. THEY DON'T WAIT TILL THE SINNER HAS A KNIFE TO YOUR THROAT, OR TO HIS OWN. SO THE PROPHET SPARES THEM, BY KICKING THEM ASIDE TEMPORARILLY, AND WITH PERFECT LOVE.

Anonymous said...

what is the status of hyrum jeffs and his family?
They always seemed to be looked down on by whorrin

Anonymous said...

Street did you really write this crap...SO THE PROPHET SPARES THEM, BY KICKING THEM ASIDE TEMPORARILLY, AND WITH PERFECT LOVE.

Perfect love? Spare me.

Please define Warren's perfect love? Is she 11 or 12?

onthestreet said...

LOL. GOD LOVES ALL OF HIS CHILDREN, AS DOES HIS ANOINTED, FROM CONCEPTION TO THE AGE OF METHUSELAH. "AND THOSE WHOM I LOVE, I CHASTENETH," SAITH THE LORD.

Anonymous said...

methuselah lived 969 years and then he died. the name methuselah means 'when he dies then it will come' referring to the flood during noah's time.

Anonymous said...

Where are the three deaf men? Phil Thornton, Merrill Bauer, Don Jacobs?

Anonymous said...

Phil Thorton passed away without the FLDS being notified (I was FLDS at the time). Sure is strange to keep a man's passing hidden or say nothing about it. Don Jacobs passed away in good graces. I don't know about Merrill Bauer. I assume he is still in.

Anonymous said...

When did Don Jacobs pass away then? and is his wife Florence still alive? Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, my fault; it was his wife that passed away. I am 12:50. I was at Don Jacob's wife's funeral where he talked in sign language.

As far as I know, he is still alive.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for clarifying that. When did his wife die then?

Anonymous said...

If someone has Don Jacobs address, I would like to send a condolence card. Email me at taloali@aol.com. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Florence passed away Feb. 5, 2005. The funeral was very dignified; very little Hail Warrintler went on.

onthestreet said...

Is the "Hailing" of someone a sin? Even the angels use the term. No, the sin is in falling away unto idols, in neglecting and blaspheming the Lord's Anointed, and comparing him to a mass-murderer, while America by law mass-murders little children.