Wednesday, September 21, 2005

How Abandoned is CC/Hildale?

Through Pilot we see the progress being made in Texas. It appears that much of the funds that in the past have been used for building up Short Creek area must be going there (YFZ). How much building is being done still in the Twin Cities?

44 comments:

fttc said...

Is local building limited to fortifying the compounds of the faithful or is new construction of homes still in progress? Work meetings are still being held so I assume the local projects continue. What is being done? I have not had the opportunity of visiting for several years. How have things changed?

Anonymous said...

Well as an outsider just passing through, they are not building. Of course that one building Kelly Fischer took away. Seem like the dairy has been scaled down, as far as cows are concern. The store seems to do a booming business. The roads are being maintained with Saturday work crews. And yes the faithful are building fences around their property. It just be a status symbol or maybe they have something to hide or both.

Anonymous said...

doesn't ANYBODY have a life, more important things to do than breathe down the necks of people who have NO impact on thier lives?

Anonymous said...

What business are still there?
And are there any new ones?

fttc said...

Anon 1:37

Are you saying having friends and family abandon you is not an impact? Many of us who are no longer with those classed as FLDS miss our friends and family very much. It is not like we can go see them anytime we like. Even those of us still living in town cannot see our family when we want to. The void all this leaves in ones heart is a terrible impact. Have you become so hardened in your heart that you cannot see this? Our interest in those who have kicked us out is a testament to those still in that we did not "apostatize" as some would so willingly believe.

Then there are those in Texas, Mesquite, CO, WY?, NV who would like to know something about their new neighbors. Since changing communities does not change character this gives an opportunity otherwise unavailable.

And yes, I have a full time job, family to raise, living to make in the real world.

onthestreet said...

fttc: What do you mean, "those of US still living in town"? Didn't you say you "haven't been there for several years"? You're just an exhibitionist.

"Being kicked out, you did not apostatize"? Were not the five unwise "virgins" apostate, being locked out from the presence of the Lord, because of apostacy or rejecting what came from God?

Ahh yes, the truth DOES come out: You just said: The wicked "would like to know something about their new neighbors". See, your aim in learning the whereabouts of the saints is to torment them and to bring trouble upon them, a circling vulture.

fttc said...

That they might know the truth, and the truth will set them free.

onthestreet said...

Free from heaven, Free to waller in Hell? Okay, if that's your fantasy. After all, it IS a veritable TRUTH that Hell exists. Enjoy the "truth".

Anonymous said...

Truth sets all free. sin is bondage.

Men In Black said...

From MIB

True to my word, I can not post again on the thread that I created for the Senior High School Student. I have not seen her POST yet, but it will be interesting to watch the moral character, that so many here claim! She is for real and the vulchers are already circling. This will tell the press more of the lost ethics of the angry fringe, instead of this image that you are following God's law.

Keep in mind she is a minor under the law and propositioning her on line could come back to bite you, even if in jest. If you can't take this issue serious, why should you expect us to?

As for being anonymous that is your bag, people with something to hide, need to hide their identity.

MIB
Jay

Anonymous said...

So, Jay. Are you saying that those who post here are only anonymous to the commoners on the blog and that the Mighty Mouse and the other testosterone-charged nostrils are somehow privy to our identity?

Or was that thinly-veiled implied threat just more of your crowing?

Of COURSE no one takes that issue seriously. The ONLY guarantee you have here is the fact that there will be nothing fair-minded what-so-ever in her article. This is made evident by your statement, "...but it will be interesting to watch the moral character, that so many here claim! She is for real and the vulchers are already circling. This will tell the press more of the lost ethics of the angry fringe, instead of this image that you are following God's law."

WHATEVER!!!!

Men In Black said...

"Under The Banner of Heaven" a story of a violent faith!

On one hand you speak with righteous determination, but reserve the right to be petty and small!

A student that is yet to post, posed a question and added a statement that I could not be fair representation to the man's role or belief in the "work". I agreed!

When offered the opportunity to state a logical defense for a belief, you want to shoot the messinger. Maybe the girl won't post now out of fear, maybe not!

When you are not flexable, you are branded as a fanatic. When you preach and praise the blind obedience to Warren, the world takes notes. Today in the NEW TIMES the following is a quote after a recorded call with another of the faitful. From LE;

"It all depends on how we catch him," says Mohave County special investigator Engels, who has spent more than a year living in the Colorado City area investigating crimes. "Does he have bodyguards? Yes. Are they armed? Yes. Will they put their lives down for him? Yes."

From another mindless faithful willing to murder if called to do so;

A July 31 exchange between ex-FLDS member and Colorado City resident Ross Chatwin and a young FLDS man captures the degree of fanaticism instilled in Jeffs' followers. The dialogue, captured on tape, begins with Chatwin asking the man if he knows Warren Jeffs.

"Yes, I do," the FLDS man replies.

"And you'll give him your life?" asks Chatwin.

"I will," replies the man.

"You'll die for him?"

"I will."

"You'd kill somebody for him?"

"I wi-- (pause), I would do what he told me to. Anything he told me to, I would do."

"Like without a doubt there is nothing?" asks Chatwin.

"Without a doubt, I will stand for him."

"You'll kill for him, too?"

"I'll do what he tells me to do."

"Even if it's kill?" asks Chatwin.

"He is inspired by [the] heavenly Father," the FLDS man says. "Whatever he tells me to do, I will do."

WHEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT ON A GOOD IMAGE, YOU WASTE THAT TALENT. INSTEAD OF OFFERING A CHRISTIAN VALUE, HOWEVER YOU DEFINE IT? INSTEAD YOU ARE ALLOWING GUYS LIKE MR ANONYMOUS ABOVE TO FURTHER DEFINE YOUR FAITH. UNWILLING TO PRESENT A POSITIVE SIDE, HOW CAN THOSE ON THE FENCE JUDGE THIS AS A RELIOUS RIGHT, THAT OVER A CULT READY TO KILL WHEN THE WORD IS GIVEN?

MIB

onthestreet said...

Surely sounds like something Ross would manufacture, which he'd be doing if he gets something like that on tape from a fringe member, or ex-member posing as a staunch member and close confidant of the Prophet.

The FLDS doctrine in this regard is "Thou Shalt Not Kill". That's pretty basic. Yes, there is self-defense, and there are wars, and accidents, and other things. But "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

Dream on Mibby, Rossy, cause you just Maybe Glossy it over, yes?

Anonymous said...

Street, the FLDS have been two-faced for years.

Men In Black said...

Merycia said...
Cattail, just curious, why are you only interested in the male perspective,

What a dilemma I have banned myself from a thread I created!

I have directed Cattail to several women who can tell their views of polygamy using ghost or an alias name to protect their identity. However this said she wanted the male opinion and most of those now ousted have been stripped of all but one loyal wife. Many still believe in the "work" but she wanted one who lives it in practise. I can think of a few who live it because they started it many years ago, but she wanted ones who are younger and committed in the here and now.

Those who volunteer can have their identity hid, but will in part shape the essay. I offered what I could in connection, but her direction is one I can not follow to far in for obvious reasons. Its like the press trying to speak with those of first ward, its just not done!

Maybe some one can relay this to Merycia as I am trying to stay off that thread per my word!

MIB

Anonymous said...

Go ahead and post MIB, it won't change what anyone thinks about you.

OTS will gloat, but he does that anyway, it's his stock and trade.

Faithful Woman said...

Nope street, that was not made up.

and the FLDS are of the oppinion that whatever the profit says is right, before he says it. he can't make a mistake for God won't allow it.

It was a bunch of kids out looking for a fight.....sounds like something you would do.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said... Street, the FLDS have been two-faced for years.
9/23/2005 9:01 AM

STREET'S Reply: EXACTLY. Well put, my dear. And that's what the Prophet has also been saying for YEARS. That is why he rejected half of them, the false face, in separating the wheat from the tares, and everyone knows it. Those who were CAUGHT are just more demonic for being caught. Good post, and with such succinct brevity.

onthestreet said...

Faithful Woman said... Nope street, that was not made up, and the FLDS are of the oppinion that whatever the profit says is right, before he says it. he can't make a mistake for God won't allow it. It was a bunch of kids out looking for a fight.....sounds like something you would do. 9/23/2005 9:39 PM

STREET'S Reply: There you go. Truth eventually comes out, even from the Enemy of God. You said there: " IT WAS A BUNCH OF KIDS OUT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT". That's it! That is NOT staunch FLDS, but the fringes, maybe even non-members, just like I said, but certainly fringes. Why? Because anyone out looking for a fight is an enemy to God. You are not fighting us, but God. His commandment to us is to "Keep Sweet". That does NOT mean fighting, but opposes the prophet. But you haven't asked ME those deceptive entrapment poses to an enemy, by an enemy. Why not? Are you afraid that the light of truth would exhonorate the Prophet even more. Truth is always on his side, and deception is against you continually.

Here, I will repost his questions, with my answers instead. This is more the spirit of the Prophet and the FLDS Church:

"And you'll give him your life?" asks Chatwin.

I will give him my living life. It is NOT the place of man to decide who dies. That decision on who dies always belongs to the Lord God. The decision on who lives belongs to His Son, the Lord of Life. "I am the Life".

"You'd kill somebody for him?"

THOU SHALT NOT KILL. The Lord told Abraham to give him his son, and he obeyed. But that was NOT the commandment of a man, but of God.

See Ross and Faithless, ye have no faith in goog men, let along God. You only create troubles, and you bring on your own abuse and demise. Now YOU might kill, or do many things that will seal your eternal fate in the pits that you dig for others.

Anonymous said...

And what is it with this what if, theory. The governmant sends American men out to kIll, in the name of freedom. I am glad I know a man who can teach forgiveness and I can live for him. I would not like to follow the President's example and send our men to die in another man's trenches. And they say it is for freedom.

Anonymous said...

And if all you have to go on is Ross and Flora, well wahoo. We may as well live and die for an honost man, as die a coward in a trench or waiting in a storm for some paper work to fan us. did you people ever hear about real life? Like real Freedom. I may as well live and die believing in Joy and good things as to die a coward facing reality. The reality that this government and the system is one that puts a person in bondage more than the Children of Isreal were. They were taxed by half. Today you are taxed by ninty nine. At least we have the luxery of believing God makes all things right. He does. And your world is being bagered by a great big storm. And Your government send People out to Kill. And you think Ross knows something. He could not even sweep his own floor, let alone build a city. And it is interesting the ones who want to save the Place can not even tend themseves. And your, "what if" theory: What if you talked sensibly and ended the war on religion. And any one on this web would not be a faithful F.L.D.S.

Faithful Woman said...

Woohoo, did I hit a sore spot Street?

Oh warren kicked out half of the people all right, the wrong half. What he did to the rest of them is werse than kicking them out. He messed with their familys. Not even the Taliban messes with the sacred institution of family.

onthestreet said...

Any sane and righteous man who has abuses within his family WANTS it "messed with" by the Lord and by His servant, just to correct the abuse and to make him a better man, yes?

Anonymous said...

OTS you talk about a man who has abuses within his family as though you were an autority on the subject. It makes one think that you probably are.

onthestreet said...

The Lord and His prophet certainly are authorities on the subject of Good and Evil, like none other. Don't you agree?

Anonymous said...

Like that has anything to do with what you or warren might know?

Anonymous said...

Well, this much I can say about Warren being knowledgable about evil--"it takes a thief to catch a theif."

onthestreet said...

Yes, even Christ will catch you, for "My return shall come as a thief in the night".

onthestreet said...

And Warren shall be by his side.

Anonymous said...

Like the two thieves crucified with the savior.

onthestreet said...

THE SCRIPTURE DOESN'T SAY THAT IT WILL BE SOMEONE ELSE COMING AS A THIEF, BUT CHRIST HIMSELF "AS A THIEF". SO YOU'RE RIGHT, THE PROPHET IS VERY MUCH LIKE HIM.

onthestreet said...

HEREON OUT, I WILL POST IN CAPS, SO THAT YOU'LL ALL HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SEEING IT BETTER, THE TYPE FACE BEING VERY SMALL IN LOWER-CASE. SEE, IN MATTERS OF LAW, THERE ARE UPPER CASES, AND LOWER CASES.

onthestreet said...

AND I DO SO IN A WHISPER.

Anonymous said...

THANKS THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO IGNORE, HE SCREAMED BACK.

onthestreet said...

YOU'RE MOST WELCOME.

Anonymous said...

Ots you weren't kicked out for your pride and constant ways of making yourself more annoying, were you. Ohh and your ever so present ( name calling. ) Don't get me Ots for the it seems like your a pretty decent guy. Just at times you get a little too much of your self, I think.

onthestreet said...

TRUTH IS IN A NAME? STICKS AND STONES...KNOW THE SAYING?

Anonymous said...

Street let me know when you find a girl. I would love to come your wedding and congradulate you. No malice intended.

onthestreet said...

WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO BLESSING OF THE PROPHET FOR THAT.

Anonymous said...

so would you street. Let us know when you find one. (a prophet)
Name

onthestreet said...

HERE AND NOW, THE ETERNAL NOW. PERMUTE NOW. YOU GET WON, OR ONE.

onthestreet said...

THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE TO HAVE HIS BLESSING, BEFORE WE GET ANYWHERE.

Anonymous said...

should street find a girl he would turn and run in absolute fear. he like his hero wj, likes little boys who can't defend themselves.

onthestreet said...

The world thinks the pleasures of the worle are "FUN", but permute it and what do you get? "NUF" as in "Enuf". The lower pleasures of the body are only a candle, an extinguished one at that, compared to the highest pleasures of the Spirit, likened to the blazing Sun.

Your choice. Which would you choose, a single darkened candle, or an entire solar-system? This is the choice that God and His Anointed Prophet offer to us. Which is more profitable?