FLDS Prophet Warren Jeffs may be serving life in prison, but his followers continue with their work on the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas where the group's white limestone Temple towers over the town they are building. Polygamy, the practice of plural marriage, appears to be alive and well in the Lone Star State, despite laws to the contrary.
Wednesday, September 21, 2005
How Abandoned is CC/Hildale?
Through Pilot we see the progress being made in Texas. It appears that much of the funds that in the past have been used for building up Short Creek area must be going there (YFZ). How much building is being done still in the Twin Cities?
Is local building limited to fortifying the compounds of the faithful or is new construction of homes still in progress? Work meetings are still being held so I assume the local projects continue. What is being done? I have not had the opportunity of visiting for several years. How have things changed?
Well as an outsider just passing through, they are not building. Of course that one building Kelly Fischer took away. Seem like the dairy has been scaled down, as far as cows are concern. The store seems to do a booming business. The roads are being maintained with Saturday work crews. And yes the faithful are building fences around their property. It just be a status symbol or maybe they have something to hide or both.
Are you saying having friends and family abandon you is not an impact? Many of us who are no longer with those classed as FLDS miss our friends and family very much. It is not like we can go see them anytime we like. Even those of us still living in town cannot see our family when we want to. The void all this leaves in ones heart is a terrible impact. Have you become so hardened in your heart that you cannot see this? Our interest in those who have kicked us out is a testament to those still in that we did not "apostatize" as some would so willingly believe.
Then there are those in Texas, Mesquite, CO, WY?, NV who would like to know something about their new neighbors. Since changing communities does not change character this gives an opportunity otherwise unavailable.
And yes, I have a full time job, family to raise, living to make in the real world.
True to my word, I can not post again on the thread that I created for the Senior High School Student. I have not seen her POST yet, but it will be interesting to watch the moral character, that so many here claim! She is for real and the vulchers are already circling. This will tell the press more of the lost ethics of the angry fringe, instead of this image that you are following God's law.
Keep in mind she is a minor under the law and propositioning her on line could come back to bite you, even if in jest. If you can't take this issue serious, why should you expect us to?
As for being anonymous that is your bag, people with something to hide, need to hide their identity.
So, Jay. Are you saying that those who post here are only anonymous to the commoners on the blog and that the Mighty Mouse and the other testosterone-charged nostrils are somehow privy to our identity?
Or was that thinly-veiled implied threat just more of your crowing?
Of COURSE no one takes that issue seriously. The ONLY guarantee you have here is the fact that there will be nothing fair-minded what-so-ever in her article. This is made evident by your statement, "...but it will be interesting to watch the moral character, that so many here claim! She is for real and the vulchers are already circling. This will tell the press more of the lost ethics of the angry fringe, instead of this image that you are following God's law."
"Under The Banner of Heaven" a story of a violent faith!
On one hand you speak with righteous determination, but reserve the right to be petty and small!
A student that is yet to post, posed a question and added a statement that I could not be fair representation to the man's role or belief in the "work". I agreed!
When offered the opportunity to state a logical defense for a belief, you want to shoot the messinger. Maybe the girl won't post now out of fear, maybe not!
When you are not flexable, you are branded as a fanatic. When you preach and praise the blind obedience to Warren, the world takes notes. Today in the NEW TIMES the following is a quote after a recorded call with another of the faitful. From LE;
"It all depends on how we catch him," says Mohave County special investigator Engels, who has spent more than a year living in the Colorado City area investigating crimes. "Does he have bodyguards? Yes. Are they armed? Yes. Will they put their lives down for him? Yes."
From another mindless faithful willing to murder if called to do so;
A July 31 exchange between ex-FLDS member and Colorado City resident Ross Chatwin and a young FLDS man captures the degree of fanaticism instilled in Jeffs' followers. The dialogue, captured on tape, begins with Chatwin asking the man if he knows Warren Jeffs.
"Yes, I do," the FLDS man replies.
"And you'll give him your life?" asks Chatwin.
"I will," replies the man.
"You'll die for him?"
"I will."
"You'd kill somebody for him?"
"I wi-- (pause), I would do what he told me to. Anything he told me to, I would do."
"Like without a doubt there is nothing?" asks Chatwin.
"Without a doubt, I will stand for him."
"You'll kill for him, too?"
"I'll do what he tells me to do."
"Even if it's kill?" asks Chatwin.
"He is inspired by [the] heavenly Father," the FLDS man says. "Whatever he tells me to do, I will do."
WHEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT ON A GOOD IMAGE, YOU WASTE THAT TALENT. INSTEAD OF OFFERING A CHRISTIAN VALUE, HOWEVER YOU DEFINE IT? INSTEAD YOU ARE ALLOWING GUYS LIKE MR ANONYMOUS ABOVE TO FURTHER DEFINE YOUR FAITH. UNWILLING TO PRESENT A POSITIVE SIDE, HOW CAN THOSE ON THE FENCE JUDGE THIS AS A RELIOUS RIGHT, THAT OVER A CULT READY TO KILL WHEN THE WORD IS GIVEN?
Merycia said... Cattail, just curious, why are you only interested in the male perspective,
What a dilemma I have banned myself from a thread I created!
I have directed Cattail to several women who can tell their views of polygamy using ghost or an alias name to protect their identity. However this said she wanted the male opinion and most of those now ousted have been stripped of all but one loyal wife. Many still believe in the "work" but she wanted one who lives it in practise. I can think of a few who live it because they started it many years ago, but she wanted ones who are younger and committed in the here and now.
Those who volunteer can have their identity hid, but will in part shape the essay. I offered what I could in connection, but her direction is one I can not follow to far in for obvious reasons. Its like the press trying to speak with those of first ward, its just not done!
Maybe some one can relay this to Merycia as I am trying to stay off that thread per my word!
And what is it with this what if, theory. The governmant sends American men out to kIll, in the name of freedom. I am glad I know a man who can teach forgiveness and I can live for him. I would not like to follow the President's example and send our men to die in another man's trenches. And they say it is for freedom.
And if all you have to go on is Ross and Flora, well wahoo. We may as well live and die for an honost man, as die a coward in a trench or waiting in a storm for some paper work to fan us. did you people ever hear about real life? Like real Freedom. I may as well live and die believing in Joy and good things as to die a coward facing reality. The reality that this government and the system is one that puts a person in bondage more than the Children of Isreal were. They were taxed by half. Today you are taxed by ninty nine. At least we have the luxery of believing God makes all things right. He does. And your world is being bagered by a great big storm. And Your government send People out to Kill. And you think Ross knows something. He could not even sweep his own floor, let alone build a city. And it is interesting the ones who want to save the Place can not even tend themseves. And your, "what if" theory: What if you talked sensibly and ended the war on religion. And any one on this web would not be a faithful F.L.D.S.
Ots you weren't kicked out for your pride and constant ways of making yourself more annoying, were you. Ohh and your ever so present ( name calling. ) Don't get me Ots for the it seems like your a pretty decent guy. Just at times you get a little too much of your self, I think.
24 comments:
Is local building limited to fortifying the compounds of the faithful or is new construction of homes still in progress? Work meetings are still being held so I assume the local projects continue. What is being done? I have not had the opportunity of visiting for several years. How have things changed?
Well as an outsider just passing through, they are not building. Of course that one building Kelly Fischer took away. Seem like the dairy has been scaled down, as far as cows are concern. The store seems to do a booming business. The roads are being maintained with Saturday work crews. And yes the faithful are building fences around their property. It just be a status symbol or maybe they have something to hide or both.
doesn't ANYBODY have a life, more important things to do than breathe down the necks of people who have NO impact on thier lives?
What business are still there?
And are there any new ones?
Anon 1:37
Are you saying having friends and family abandon you is not an impact? Many of us who are no longer with those classed as FLDS miss our friends and family very much. It is not like we can go see them anytime we like. Even those of us still living in town cannot see our family when we want to. The void all this leaves in ones heart is a terrible impact. Have you become so hardened in your heart that you cannot see this? Our interest in those who have kicked us out is a testament to those still in that we did not "apostatize" as some would so willingly believe.
Then there are those in Texas, Mesquite, CO, WY?, NV who would like to know something about their new neighbors. Since changing communities does not change character this gives an opportunity otherwise unavailable.
And yes, I have a full time job, family to raise, living to make in the real world.
That they might know the truth, and the truth will set them free.
Truth sets all free. sin is bondage.
From MIB
True to my word, I can not post again on the thread that I created for the Senior High School Student. I have not seen her POST yet, but it will be interesting to watch the moral character, that so many here claim! She is for real and the vulchers are already circling. This will tell the press more of the lost ethics of the angry fringe, instead of this image that you are following God's law.
Keep in mind she is a minor under the law and propositioning her on line could come back to bite you, even if in jest. If you can't take this issue serious, why should you expect us to?
As for being anonymous that is your bag, people with something to hide, need to hide their identity.
MIB
Jay
So, Jay. Are you saying that those who post here are only anonymous to the commoners on the blog and that the Mighty Mouse and the other testosterone-charged nostrils are somehow privy to our identity?
Or was that thinly-veiled implied threat just more of your crowing?
Of COURSE no one takes that issue seriously. The ONLY guarantee you have here is the fact that there will be nothing fair-minded what-so-ever in her article. This is made evident by your statement, "...but it will be interesting to watch the moral character, that so many here claim! She is for real and the vulchers are already circling. This will tell the press more of the lost ethics of the angry fringe, instead of this image that you are following God's law."
WHATEVER!!!!
"Under The Banner of Heaven" a story of a violent faith!
On one hand you speak with righteous determination, but reserve the right to be petty and small!
A student that is yet to post, posed a question and added a statement that I could not be fair representation to the man's role or belief in the "work". I agreed!
When offered the opportunity to state a logical defense for a belief, you want to shoot the messinger. Maybe the girl won't post now out of fear, maybe not!
When you are not flexable, you are branded as a fanatic. When you preach and praise the blind obedience to Warren, the world takes notes. Today in the NEW TIMES the following is a quote after a recorded call with another of the faitful. From LE;
"It all depends on how we catch him," says Mohave County special investigator Engels, who has spent more than a year living in the Colorado City area investigating crimes. "Does he have bodyguards? Yes. Are they armed? Yes. Will they put their lives down for him? Yes."
From another mindless faithful willing to murder if called to do so;
A July 31 exchange between ex-FLDS member and Colorado City resident Ross Chatwin and a young FLDS man captures the degree of fanaticism instilled in Jeffs' followers. The dialogue, captured on tape, begins with Chatwin asking the man if he knows Warren Jeffs.
"Yes, I do," the FLDS man replies.
"And you'll give him your life?" asks Chatwin.
"I will," replies the man.
"You'll die for him?"
"I will."
"You'd kill somebody for him?"
"I wi-- (pause), I would do what he told me to. Anything he told me to, I would do."
"Like without a doubt there is nothing?" asks Chatwin.
"Without a doubt, I will stand for him."
"You'll kill for him, too?"
"I'll do what he tells me to do."
"Even if it's kill?" asks Chatwin.
"He is inspired by [the] heavenly Father," the FLDS man says. "Whatever he tells me to do, I will do."
WHEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT ON A GOOD IMAGE, YOU WASTE THAT TALENT. INSTEAD OF OFFERING A CHRISTIAN VALUE, HOWEVER YOU DEFINE IT? INSTEAD YOU ARE ALLOWING GUYS LIKE MR ANONYMOUS ABOVE TO FURTHER DEFINE YOUR FAITH. UNWILLING TO PRESENT A POSITIVE SIDE, HOW CAN THOSE ON THE FENCE JUDGE THIS AS A RELIOUS RIGHT, THAT OVER A CULT READY TO KILL WHEN THE WORD IS GIVEN?
MIB
Street, the FLDS have been two-faced for years.
Merycia said...
Cattail, just curious, why are you only interested in the male perspective,
What a dilemma I have banned myself from a thread I created!
I have directed Cattail to several women who can tell their views of polygamy using ghost or an alias name to protect their identity. However this said she wanted the male opinion and most of those now ousted have been stripped of all but one loyal wife. Many still believe in the "work" but she wanted one who lives it in practise. I can think of a few who live it because they started it many years ago, but she wanted ones who are younger and committed in the here and now.
Those who volunteer can have their identity hid, but will in part shape the essay. I offered what I could in connection, but her direction is one I can not follow to far in for obvious reasons. Its like the press trying to speak with those of first ward, its just not done!
Maybe some one can relay this to Merycia as I am trying to stay off that thread per my word!
MIB
Go ahead and post MIB, it won't change what anyone thinks about you.
OTS will gloat, but he does that anyway, it's his stock and trade.
And what is it with this what if, theory. The governmant sends American men out to kIll, in the name of freedom. I am glad I know a man who can teach forgiveness and I can live for him. I would not like to follow the President's example and send our men to die in another man's trenches. And they say it is for freedom.
And if all you have to go on is Ross and Flora, well wahoo. We may as well live and die for an honost man, as die a coward in a trench or waiting in a storm for some paper work to fan us. did you people ever hear about real life? Like real Freedom. I may as well live and die believing in Joy and good things as to die a coward facing reality. The reality that this government and the system is one that puts a person in bondage more than the Children of Isreal were. They were taxed by half. Today you are taxed by ninty nine. At least we have the luxery of believing God makes all things right. He does. And your world is being bagered by a great big storm. And Your government send People out to Kill. And you think Ross knows something. He could not even sweep his own floor, let alone build a city. And it is interesting the ones who want to save the Place can not even tend themseves. And your, "what if" theory: What if you talked sensibly and ended the war on religion. And any one on this web would not be a faithful F.L.D.S.
OTS you talk about a man who has abuses within his family as though you were an autority on the subject. It makes one think that you probably are.
Like that has anything to do with what you or warren might know?
Well, this much I can say about Warren being knowledgable about evil--"it takes a thief to catch a theif."
Like the two thieves crucified with the savior.
THANKS THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO IGNORE, HE SCREAMED BACK.
Ots you weren't kicked out for your pride and constant ways of making yourself more annoying, were you. Ohh and your ever so present ( name calling. ) Don't get me Ots for the it seems like your a pretty decent guy. Just at times you get a little too much of your self, I think.
Street let me know when you find a girl. I would love to come your wedding and congradulate you. No malice intended.
so would you street. Let us know when you find one. (a prophet)
Name
should street find a girl he would turn and run in absolute fear. he like his hero wj, likes little boys who can't defend themselves.
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