Thursday, September 22, 2005

Bruce Griffen FLDS Attorney of 8 Indicted by Grand Jury

What do we know of Bruce?

Who is paying the legal fees?

What kind of cases does Mr. Griffen take?

Whom give's him his marching orders?

Does he have sessions with either Scott Berry or Rodney Parker?

Why didn't Scott or Rod take on this case?

In the light of day or under a microscope, what is known of Mr. Griffen?

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Brucey is just another ambulance chaser who specializes in defending pedophilia clients, why wonder?

He's in the news, you don't need to look to far;

From ARIZOZA DAILY SUN 1-03

"When you get in the area of child abuse, they all become really serious," said Coconino County Deputy Attorney Tim Linnins.

Both the assault and abuse charges are being considered dangerous crimes in the cases where the child is 15 and under.

Charges from the indictment state Mabon has been charged with eight counts of sexual assault, child molestation, sexual abuse and sexual conduct with a child under 15 years old. Each crime is considered a Class 2 or Class 3 felony and each is considered a dangerous crime against children.

The classification adds a special enhancement to each of the charges, potentially adding more prison time if Mabon is convicted.

Molestation charges typically carry a 10-year to 24-year sentence. Assault charges carry a 13-year to 27-year sentence, without the special enhancements added, Linnins said.

Mabon's attorney, Bruce Griffen, did not return phone calls.

LACSD

Anonymous said...

Interesting history, I wonder how this will play in the print media? The attorney has a reputation with sexual predators, this can't add a good light to the case per religious grounds. Nor the routine statement of "Bruce Griffen, did not return phone calls".

9-2-05
HOLBROOK - Failing to reach a plea agreement with prosecutors, Robert Kevin Watt, the former Show Low employee who admitted to embezzling from the city, asked that a jury decide whether he is innocent or guilty of felony theft. A jury trial has been set for Oct. 5 in Navajo County Superior Court.

Watt initially accepted a plea agreement, but after "reevaluating" the deal, "he felt he could no longer accept that," defense attorney Bruce Griffen told Judge Thomas Wing during a hearing Tuesday afternoon.

THE CASE OF THE SWIMMING COACH;
Arabas coached the Northern
Arizona Swimming Association
team and was director of the aquat-
ic center at Northern Arizona
University (Flagstaff) when female
swim team members filed police
reports against him stating that he
inappropriately touched girls on the
team while giving them massages
in practice. Arabas coached the
Truman swimming and diving team
but left unexpectedly under undis-
closed circumstances in 1992.
Arabas’ lawyer, Bruce Griffen,
did not return phone calls


LACSD

Try doing a Nexus Media search or use Burrelle's Information Services
(http://burrelles.com ) the guy is not doing well at being invisible!

AFMLS
DOJ

Anonymous said...

AFMLS

Didn't think this would be of interest to you guys? Is there an Asset Forfeiture issue here?

I take it you have already done a background search on Beswick? His points on the church of Satan, are they linked to Anton Szandor LaVey? There may of been a chapter in Big Bear Lake, which would be in San Bernardino county per his references. He lived in Crestline and attended the county task force meetings under Sheriff Floyd Tidwell, they may of discussed such things?

LACSD

Anonymous said...

LACSD
ASL was born Born "Howard Stanton Levey" and had a smaller hard core following. There were many hanger-ons that claimed loyalty to Anton. There was activity in the 1980's on the fringe in the SB Mtns.

MIB was P.O.S.T. certified at the Rio Hondo Police Academy per Sex Crimes Investigation, but he limits his connection to Child Abuse Investigation. He was P.O.S.T. certified at Rio Hondo Criminal Justice Center's academy in the same year by Mead, but they are related.

"Child Abuse and Neglect" has been a standard by Maggio-Mead in P.O.S.T. training for years, but its more a question of whom he knows, not his training. They were only short courses any way.

So who else is here?

AFMLS

Anonymous said...

AFMLS

A few others. It was the Dougherty article that created the new interest. Figured might as well go public, since our "hero" posted it.

fincenMIB

funny, ha.. ha.. the agency that takes the blame for every conspiracy, including the black vans and helicopters. Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, plays well to the already paranoid. Then "Men In Black" to poke more fun at the movie and the agency.

I'll send an outside contact number so we can chat.

LACSD

Anonymous said...

LACSD

The article says, the Supervisor is one of yours? Page 2, when did he leave?

Johnson, a former Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy, says there must be a larger commitment by state and county governments toward righting wrongs in Colorado City and Hildale or it will be impossible to bring political and social reform to the insular area.

I'll leave a message at the Firestone station as AFMLS spelled out with my name.

Take Care.

DOJ

Anonymous said...

Well what is the track record of Mr. Griffin keeping his clients from behind bars?



Just Curious

onthestreet said...

You might be better off to ask Mattlock, Mr. Griffith. He can provide both the mat and the lock for those who have actually assaulted young girls, because there is no defense for that. Warren Jeffs abandoned alot of those people in CC for a reason, having to do with violating their marriage vows. To FLDS folks, that means defiling someone, or an actual sexual assault. Warren, like his father, never did take kindly to things like that, and I've known them for decades. You will all find that the charges against him are a major farce, and very much to your chagrin.

Anonymous said...

Well Street maybe THOSE PEOPLE IN CC who actually assaulted young girls as you say, learned from EXAMPLE?

"You say Warren, like his father, never did take kindly to things like that."

SO BRILLIANT STREET WHERE DOES YOUR PROPHET STAND ON THIS...

Ex-marshal failed to report abuse
Colorado City child cases involved

By Mark Shaffer
Arizona Republic - Flagstaff Bureau

Roundy, who did not return phone messages Friday and Saturday, told Dan Altenes, an investigator for AZPOST, that he did not report the child-molestation indictment last year of David Leroy Steed, 22, or any of the other 20 to 25 child sexual abuse cases he said he had investigated over the years to the Utah Division of Child and Family Services, as required by law. Steed is accused of molesting an 8-year-old girl.

"I didn't know I was supposed to, to be just frankly honest with ya," Roundy said during his interview. "They said (it) was protocol, but I didn't even know about it . . . maybe I've been in a Hicksville too long and not looking out at what's coming in."

Roundy also acknowledged that he has 15 children with his legal wife, Valerie Roundy, and three children each with his companions, Jennifer Nielsen and Loretta Cooke.

NO SAM ROUNDY IS AN EXPERT.

LETS NAME THEM ONE BY ONE...
1. LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE WARRENITES

onthestreet said...

THIS SOUNDS VERY PLAUSIBLE:

""I didn't know I was supposed to, to be just frankly honest with ya," Roundy said during his interview. "They said (it) was protocol, but I didn't even know about it . . . maybe I've been in a Hicksville too long and not looking out at what's coming in."

So where does the Prophet stand? He just abandonded them to themselves and to whatever LE is justified. Wouldn't you do the exact same thing? Ahh, so you ARE in favor of Warren Jeffs and his actions. You just don't know it yet.

In doing so (abandoning the place),
he also proclaimed to the entire community there (those he was leaving): "You people do not deserve a prophet".

So you all just go figure the best you know how, not knowing".

Anonymous said...

OK FOLKS, YOU JUST HEARD IT FROM THE WARREN JEFFS SPOKESMAN.

SAM ROUNDY YOU HAVE BEEN ABANDONED.
RESIDENTS OF SHORTCREEK YOU HAVE BEEN ABANDONED.

I GUESS THAT IS WHY FENCES ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE AVENDGING PROPHET?


STREET SAID...So where does the Prophet stand? He just abandonded them to themselves and to whatever LE is justified.

STREET SAID..Wouldn't you do the exact same thing?
NO STREET MOST COMMUNITIES WOULD PUT THEIR CROOKED POLICE IN JAIL AND TAKE AWAY THEIR AUTHORITY.


STREET SAID...Ahh, so you ARE in favor of Warren Jeffs and his actions. You just don't know it yet. STREET IGNORANCE IS BLISS.

STREET SAID..In doing so (abandoning the place),he also proclaimed to the entire community there (those he was leaving): "You people do not deserve a prophet".

BUT UNCLE WARREN IS SCREAMING SOFTLY "SHORTCREEK FAITHFUL GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY, YOUNG PEOPLE AND MORE MONEY.

So you all just go figure the best you know how, not knowing".
YEP, IGNORANCE IS BLISS, STREET AND VERY DANGEROUS FOR ALL.

Men In Black said...

Today's article voiced concerns by many closer to this issue than most of us here!

I suspect Buster Johnson is correct in his concerns

From the New Times;
Mohave County Supervisor Buster Johnson worries not so much about a massive standoff between the FLDS and outside authorities as he does about a random act of violence. He is worried that an FLDS leader will order one of the young zealots in the towns to confront a police officer or other critic, and all hell will break loose.
_____

OTS might fit the bill except that crack about age.

That Black & White cruiser from LACSD that keeps driving by my house, makes me wonder! Was I warned today or is this all, just good timing?

What does a young FLDS zealot look like?

Thanks LACSD I appreciate the new interest, after all I am in Los Angeles County.

MIB

onthestreet said...

Nah, you're all just fishen, and catching nothing but your own shorts. First of all, who appointed me as the Prophet's Spokesman. You're LIARS from the beginning. See, you're all just very loony. The GOOD folks at CC are NOT ABANDONED, just the bad ones, just like I've been saying all along. He abandoned the place, and he's bringing the faithful out. Desperate activists and alarmists will suffer in their own crimes and corruptions, along with the unfaithful, by both the Law of God and the law of the land.

Like I said, you would do the exactly the same thing, in leaving them to the law. That would include the prison house. See, alarmist desperados just read into it whatever their corrupt fantacies DICTATE to them. So you have an extreme DICTATOR over you, of your own making. You call the Prophet a coward for abandoning the abuses and rescuing the women and children, and for then building an entirely new city for them. MOST PEOPLE WOULD CALL THAT VERY HEROIC, when they were in their right mind. BUT YOU??? No, you'll SNEAK AROUND ANONYMOUSLY, hiding your very name, defiling your women, neglecting your children, and crying like a baby over people's fenses and tithes and offerings. The Prophet NEVER neglected a single child WHO WANTED TO LIVE RIGHT. Those who didn't, he set them FREE.

Like I said, the Prophet Warren has abandoned the guilty there, and stripped them of their authority in the Church. Everyone knows that. Here is my direct statement: "So where does the Prophet stand? He just abandonded them to themselves AND TO WHATEVER LAW ENFORCEMENT IS JUSTIFIED. Wouldn't you do the exact same thing"? So as far as your unintentional and imminant favor of the Prophet, it came out of your own mouth. Here, let me help you. I will requote it directly: STREET SAID: "Wouldn't you do the exact same thing (leave them to Law Enforcement" and take away their authority). So you tried to twist it into a lie, and said: NO STREET MOST COMMUNITIES WOULD PUT THEIR CROOKED POLICE IN JAIL AND TAKE AWAY THEIR AUTHORITY." See what I mean. That is what you are IN FAVOR OF, WHAT THE PROPHET DID. The Prophet IS NOT law-enforcement outside of CC, or inside, so he leaves and lets law-enforcement take over as need be.

You also called me "brilliant", which is quite humbling, because that I am NOT: You said: "SO BRILLIANT STREET WHERE DOES YOUR PROPHET STAND ON THIS ( 9/22/2005 7:15 PM). One thing's for sure, Sam Roundy has enforced the law far better that LA County or any other county for that matter, considering criminal acts per capita (and marriage is not a crime). But where he stands with the Prophet, I am unaware of. You CRY OVER FENCES and TITHES AND OFFERINGS, which NOBODY ELSE IN THE NATION CRIES OVER. So people here can really see THE DESPERATION OF YOUR OWN ACTION, while some of you are actually law-enforcement. I heard how EXTREMELY CORRUPT the LA agency is, and I've seen movies depicting it, but I had no idea they might be very small and desperate in their dealings with women and children. I still doubt it is the agency itself, maybe individual officers spouting off. That's a better thought for me.

We need to always support our law enforcement, to enforce good law. Now like any war zone, you don't enforce any dick's interpretation of the law, for that leads to war-crimes under the excuse "I was ORDERED TO DO IT". Then you have eternal consequences.

onthestreet said...

This is from a reporter (See MIB Smoke Thread):

The FLDS is a qaint religious group who follow the tenets of Joseph Smith. They do not lie, drink alcohol, smoke, steal and cheat, or run around with wild, wild women. The group follows a prophet of the highest moral standards who is thinning his flock of retrobates. The women are modest in their dress and will rat out their spouses if it looks like their heaven train gets derailed by husband (s) who not cannot themselves read the mind of the holy prophet.

Of course I am referring to those still in the FLDS as followers of Warren Jeffs. The apostates who have been kicked out or left on their own are just poor old sinners who have the greatest luck, some just don't know it yet. 9/22/2005 5:25 PM

Anonymous said...

Street are caught in a whirlpool?You keep swimming around and back tracking.

Ok, you don't speak for the prophet, the folks in Shortcreek have not been abandoned just the bad ones. EXCUSE ME YOU LUMPED EVERYONE TOGETHER IN YOUR FIRST POST. And Roundy is the best law enforcement outside LA County? Roundy would make a good kindergarten cop.

By the way did Roundy get all his cerification with the grants provided by the Colorado City School district administation?

Seems that is their excuse for their existance.

AND DRUM ROLL PLEASE....RIGHT ON street THERE ARE ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES.

Merycia said...

Are we concerned he might be a good lawyer or a bad one? Should it be surprising that these guys would find a lawyer who is experienced with the kind of crimes that they have been charged with?

Are Parker and Berry experienced with sex crime laws in Arizona? Maybe the FLDS were disappointed with the outcome of Rodney Holm's Utah prosecution. I heard they absolutely believed they were going to win that case and it really devastated them when they didn't.

Maybe Griffin doesn't cost as much?

My guess is they chose him because of his specialization and probably also his fees.

The lawyer in any case is just that, a lawyer. He represents his client/s.

Anonymous said...

Under Siege
Polygamists are barricading their homes in the midst of mounting legal assaults by authorities
September 22, 2005
Phoenix New Times
John Doughtery

John said....

The charges against the other five Colorado City men are based only on birth certificates, marriage records and driver's licenses.

In some of these cases, Smith says, the underage girls have been reluctant to testify because of what they fear would happen to them if they aided in prosecuting an FLDS member. Jeffs is quick to ban any member of the church from religious and societal privileges who cooperates with authorities.

In other cases, plural wives will not testify against their husbands because they also believe that engaging in polygamy assures their religious salvation.

Named as defendants in the five cases are: Dale Evans Barlow, 47, in connection with his 1999 relationship with then-16-year-old Louisa Johnson; Kelly Fischer, 38, based on his relationship in 2000 with then-16-year-old Jenny Lynn Steed; Vergel Bryce Jessop, 44, based on his relationship in 2000 with then-17-year-old Permelia Bringhurst; Donald Robert Barlow, 49, based on his relationship in 2000 with then-17-year-old Laree Steed; and David Romaine Bateman, 48, in connection with his 2001 relationship with then-17-year-old Midge Steed.

Smith says he chose to pursue charges against the FLDS men despite serious philosophical issues in some instances.

"What do you do with the case where you have a 16-year-old girl who got pregnant but who now is 20 or 21 and has three more kids with the guy?" the county attorney says. "Are you going to send him to prison and rip him away from all the kids in the family? Do you want to send that message?"

Smith clearly wants to send that message:

"People are being indicted and having to come to court. Hopefully, that will have a chilling effect to the point that they will think four or five times, not just twice, before marrying any underage brides."

All the defendants except the fugitive Jeffs are represented by Flagstaff attorney BRUCE GRIFFEN, considered one of the state's top sex-crimes defense attorneys. Griffen refuses to disclose his defense strategy or who is paying his fees, estimated by sources to already exceed $150,000.

But recent court filings in Bateman's case show that Griffen will argue that the state lacks evidence to prove where the alleged sexual conduct and conspiracy occurred.

Anonymous said...

And are you people willing to prosicute the seventeen year old girl in Larverkin, who works at the grocrie store there. She said she was married. You are haters. You are persicutors of religion. And you are preditor's. I know the one's who thought I needed another oppressor, in the guise of so called help, were preditors. I do not believe any one is trying to help. I think you all have your ajenda and are preditors. The spectum is full of lies. And the battle to take away the land here, and stop our church, has been going on for years. whooptee, so a few more think they are bigger than the ones who came before. God will not abandon the faithful.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Ruth!

Anonymous said...

PS Ruth, last time I checked Polygamy is against the law, just as adultry is against the law of the land.

And lying under oath is against the law.

No one but your prophet is to blame for the condition your community is in. Warren is the leader, right?
And no one is trying to stop your church. People are the church, Ruth and everyone of us will be held accountable. Gentile, polygamist or Jew. Accountable.

Anonymous said...

And I agree with you completely. Read teh fate of the prosicutors of Joseph Smith. Read what God said he would do if the gintiles turned on the Saints. You make your laws and persicute. You make your laws and persicute, but in the same laws that you make you must then arrest every man who has cohabitated. Enjoy; just start with your own cohabatating. p.s. please do not let yourwife know, she may divorce you. AND LET ME SEE YOU PUT A JEW OR A METHOIDIST ON TRIAL FOR HIS RELIGION. THAT IS ILLEGAL. LETS SEE YOU MAKE A LAW AGAINST THE CATHLICS FOR THERE RITUALS IN THERE ISLES.

Anonymous said...

And incedently I do not see our comunity falling apart quite like you would all want us to believe, by the filth that is put on this web page. I am awed and impressed. I have never known a man to be hunted by illegal buggers and build a city in a year. I have never known a man who could direct and take care of people like he has me, and not have one person in Law see him. I see him, but then you all think I am weird. Well, what ever, I like the idea of being weird, especially if he loves me, and i do not have to hang out with all the so, called helping preditors, Like Judith MOorse, and Flora mae. And it was about then I decided that my life was not so bad. I was only a weird illegal person. And I would not ever have to talk to such sorry excuses of, "so called help" as them again. I sure did not want to jump into the pits. And If I was illegal in the beginning, before my birth this law has no juristiction over me, after all it was not my law agaist the constitution. Then I do not have to worry about what others think of me. And as to Polygamy being illegal, I was born just the same. And unless you sneak in and do away with me, then I shall be here and believe what I choose. And if you find a spot or a person in America that is normal, let me know. That would be one interesting sight.

Anonymous said...

And incedently I do not see our comunity falling apart quite like you would all want us to believe, by the filth that is put on this web page. I am awed and impressed. I have never known a man to be hunted by illegal buggers and build a city in a year. I have never known a man who could direct and take care of people like he has me, and not have one person in Law see him. I see him, but then you all think I am weird. Well, what ever, I like the idea of being weird, especially if he loves me, and i do not have to hang out with all the so, called helping preditors, Like Judith MOorse, and Flora mae. And it was about then I decided that my life was not so bad. I was only a weird illegal person. And I would not ever have to talk to such sorry excuses of, "so called help" as them again. I sure did not want to jump into the pits. And If I was illegal in the beginning, before my birth this law has no juristiction over me, after all it was not my law agaist the constitution. Then I do not have to worry about what others think of me. And as to Polygamy being illegal, I was born just the same. And unless you sneak in and do away with me, then I shall be here and believe what I choose. And if you find a spot or a person in America that is normal, let me know. That would be one interesting sight.

Anonymous said...

I'm seeing double vision or 2 Ruth's!

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (9/23/2005 6:54 AM): Ok, you don't speak for the prophet, the folks in Shortcreek have not been abandoned just the bad ones. EXCUSE ME YOU LUMPED EVERYONE TOGETHER IN YOUR FIRST POST. And ROUNDY IS THE BEST law enforcement outside LA County? Roundy would make a good kindergarten cop.

CURIOUS Reply: Okay, let’s see who’s liking it, and who’s lumping it. Here’s the little pasty of my exact words:

“In doing so (abandoning the place), he also proclaimed to the entire community there (THOSE HE WAS LEAVING): "You people do not deserve a prophet". So you all just go figure the best you know how, not knowing". 9/22/2005 8:15 PM

He abandoned the place, and he's bringing the faithful out (9/23/2005 12:10 AM). As for Sam Jr., you’re right, “he would make a very good kindergarten cop. So now, by your own admission, there is one community that loves and protects children, and officials who kick out the abusers from the FLDS Church. I think everyone will agree that to be a fine example for any community.

Your acknowledgement that the bad ones are properly handled by CC LE and Church officials is admirable (beginning of your last post). That is, that they were cast out. In fact, the Prophet saw to it that a number of them went to jail. I knew you had some intelligence and decency left in you. Lots of people do.

Faithful Woman said...

tell me tRuth, how many of those "true saints" talk to you? How many even say hi?

onthestreet said...

HI tRUTH.

Been There, Done That said...

Street, you say that the Prophet abandoned Short Creek. I agree with that. But I wish he would have abandoned the ability to tell people what to do. He is still kicking people out right and left. Too bad. Wish he'd just go away.

Faithful Woman said...

You don't count Street. How many of the "in" people will bother to say hi, or even look her in the eye? How many will welcome her into their home or invite her to dinner?
Nada.

onthestreet said...

They are all watching, looking us in the eys.

Faithful Woman said...

watching only, not inviting

Anonymous said...

faithful womsn...don't waste your typing skills or breathe on Ruth or Street.

They are like a windmill going round and round and not going anywhere, but pumping up foul water.

Anonymous said...

Has this Bruce Griffen character EVER represented any of the "good guys"?

And more important....what is his track record of getting the "bad guys" off the hook?

onthestreet said...

Faithful Woman said: Watching only, not inviting 9/26/2005 11:44

Anonymous: 9/26/2005 1:07 PM

STREET's Reply: Righto, no invitation for being faithless, for the mills of the gods grind slowly, from one eternal round to the next, but they grind exceedingly fine. This is the Cedar of Lebonon, the fine linen.

Anonymous said...

normalcy, honor, deceit, strangeness, lunacy, reverance, worship, all adjectives seeking recognition. By whom is the meaning made clear? on-the-street is incapable of expressing anything without making himself the spokesman for uncle warren and dear Ruth means well but her ignorance is betrayed by her every comment.

onthestreet said...

THERE IS CLARITY IN THE CLINGING FIRE, WHEREIN GOD JUDGES THE WORLD, ALL OF US, ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS. THE OPPOSITE OF CLARITY IS CHARITY, ABYSMAL WATERS. IF YOUR PROFESSED CHARITY IS OUT OF BALANCE, THERE IS NO CLARITY, FOR IT CLOUDS YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS AND ALL ABOUT YOU.

NOW YOU CAN JUDGE THE PROPHET'S WORKS TILL DOOMS DAY, AND ACCOMPLISH NOTHING BUT DAMNATION. FOR GOD, NOT MAN, JUDGES THE WORKS OF MAN.

Anonymous said...

Oh, But warren is God. I get it. That makes him the judge, jury and executioner, and entitles him to double standard of "mortal" morality.

onthestreet said...

GOD HAS HIS AGENTS, WITH ONE HEAVENLY STANDARD. THAT IS WHAT GOT THE EXILES CAST OUT, VIOLATING THAT STRICT HEAVENLY STANDARD WITH A LAX DOUBLE STANDARD. SEE, YOU WERE CAUGHT AND JUDGED BY THE LORD, HIS CHURCH WAS THE JURY, AND YOUR EXECUTIONER IS YOURSELF.

"I THE LORD DO NOT LOOK UPON SIN WITH THE LEAST DEGREE OF ALLOWANCE". THIS DOESN'T MEAN TO KILL YOU. IT ONLY MEANS TO GIVE YOU YOUR FREEDOM TO WORK IT OUT ON YOUR OWN, SINCE YOU SEEK YOUR WILL TO BE DONE.

Anonymous said...

Street said?
SEE, YOU WERE CAUGHT(secret tapes and spies) AND JUDGED BY THE LORD(Warren?), HIS CHURCH WAS THE JURY(Sam Barlow or Willy Jessop?), AND YOUR EXECUTIONER IS YOURSELF. Duh?

And What part of the Bible did "I the Lord do not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance." Which Lord said that?

onthestreet said...

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BELIEVE ALL SCRIPTURE, AND EVEN NEW SCRIPTURE, THE LORD IN GIVING NEW REVELATION TO YOU PERSONALLY, OR ELSE YOU REJECT THE LORD IN YOUR LIFE. THE WORD OF THE LORD AND HIS DEALINGS WITH MAN IS NOT STAGNANT.

HE WHO ADDS TO OR TAKES AWAY FROM HIS WORD SHALL BE CURSED. SO IF YOU LACK WHAT WAS GIVEN TO MEN IN DAYS OF YORE, THEN YOU HAVE TAKEN AWAY FROM HIS WORD.

Anonymous said...

This is for you Street.
So you just ignore what Jesus said. No marriage in heaven, and where does it say Jesus was married?

Adam was just a plain old man, not a god. If he was so smart why did Adam bring sin into this world, with his disobediance? If God allows Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Life, the Devil would of won. God would have to totally distroy all of his creations.

Your beliefs are very selective in what scripture the FLDS church believes.

I will take my chances with my God and his son, Jesus. And God's true church, all believers in the real Jesus Christ.

I will agree with your observation, Street.
HE WHO ADDS TO OR TAKES AWAY FROM HIS WORD SHALL BE CURSED

Joseph Smith saw spirits, the father of lies.

onthestreet said...

ADAM FELL THAT MAN MIGHT BE. SEE, YOU OWE YOUR VERY EXISTENCE TO YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN WHO CAME INTO THE GARDEN TO PERPOSELY FALL, JUST FOR YOU.

AS FOR THE PROPHET OR YOUR LORD HAVING DEVILS, YOU SAY PRECISELY AS THEY SAID TO HIM IN JERUSALEM.