Tuesday, July 12, 2005

Children in Texas?

Has anyone else heard of children under the age of 7 dissapearing? I've heard of this from more than one sourse. In selected families, mothers are still at home but the children are not.

90 comments:

Anonymous said...

And what about your own children. Better look after them. They are not particular who they pick on.

Anonymous said...

Why do you think that would be?

Anonymous said...

You been here a long time. Who has been exploiting the children. Look aound you. What were you tought in church. LOVE who do you love. your own grown children will not talk to you. How much do you love the ones that you have left. How many times today did you tell them you love the. WHO REALY TORE YOUR HOME APART.

Anonymous said...

AND YE tEXANS Can change the words. It will not change the truth. In death and in llife. Truth Stands forever

Faithful Woman said...

What is your truth Ruth?

onthestreet said...

Her very name is in the word:
T(ruth).

onthestreet said...

Yet all saints are RUTH-LESS against evil, and will not coddle it like it was something squeezable soft. Even your charmin gets very very messy.

Anonymous said...

saints are ruthless
warren runs like a coward

makes sense to me too, street

keep sweet eldorado
stg

onthestreet said...

Angels flee where fools tread.

Anonymous said...

they send them down there to work and if they complain they get sent back home.. its sad but true

Anonymous said...

That's who we need to protect are the children we have to live such a hard life because of the fallout from Warren's edicts...

Why don't we talk about child abuse, how many accidents involving children there are in CC, the babyland cemetary,that over 50% of the grave in the IC cemetery are children, etc. What/who is causing this???

Anonymous said...

You could also talk about the Ruthless truth. You could talk about the rugged, rough, truth. You could talk about the rough, rugged, ruthless, truth. You could talk about your dream's. You could talk about your aspiring's. You could talk about the territorial truth. You could talk about the monumental, momentouse, mentality, of your couriosity. And if your Ruthless, rugged, rough, aspiring, territorial, monumental, momentuose, mental, curiosity, inspired you to want to know the ruthless, rugged TRUTH. FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF, SINCE YOU THINK YOU ARE SO SMART, AND YOU ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN CALLING SOMEONE A LIRE AND PERSICUTING THEM ON LIES. I THINK YOU WILL BE BETTER OFF, ON YOUR OWN RUGGED,REALITY. SINCE YOU SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO. BETTER YET, GO ASK FLORA. I AM SURE SHE WOULD TELL YOU ONE MOMENTOUSE WOPPER, THAT WAS ENTIRELY RUTHLESS AND YOU WOULD HAVE YOU ENTERTAINMENT AT HER EXPENSE.

Anonymous said...

I find all of this activitie very disturbing. And it all seems uncandidly close to Hitler's youth. Where pure pressure and constant endoctornating, had tens of thousands of young boys blindly following thier leader, obiedient to the end. I know of WarOn Jeffs ruthless dictatorship, and endoctornating. And this leaves me fearing the worst.

Anonymous said...

mY LIPS DID SLIP
My toung did trip.
It fell in oodles at my feet.
It stuck a bit,
and I did flip,
To see the lie so sweet.
I thought was hid.
This story there.
Yet, you knew before me.
Catch your breath.
If you can.
Hold your treasure in your hand.
A lie
Held securly.
Court is adjurned.
The verdict is in.
The sentance served.
And trouble brewed.
Truth is truth,
On walking about,
think of this, You are entirely Ruthless, in sensibility.
unless you hold securly, to the reality of sensibility and Truth.
Keep your war. Keep your Bom. It has spurng a leak in fantasy, and your twisted, Ruthless, insensitive, insensibility.

Anonymous said...

can that if you can. Flora's dogged lier's show is on the road. Go there if you want trouble. Here we build a city. Unless you steal that too. but then, What would you do with out her lies, and your soap-opera show, and her circus trip. or with-out some one to make fun of.

Anonymous said...

Who would clean your house? Who would feed your children? Who will pay your tax? Who will clean your street's? Who will pray with you? Who will sing with you. You only have what is left in your house. Hurry, be not Ruthless. your can that if you can. You have fed there show. You have fed your ego's. But who will care for you. Think for a minuet, to the day, before. What did you have before Uncle Rulon Gave it to you. You poor helpless soul. Twas not even you who gave you birth. Will you take care of your responsibility. Will you mind your bissiness, and keep your nose out of what you supose is your neighbor's RUTHLESS TRUTH.

Anonymous said...

Could you supose that you insult the District attorney's greatly in saying that for the last fifty years, they have been blind to us? Can you say that We have been as Isolated and Stupid as Flora's show implied. Can you say you believe the story that the grave yard was stupmbled on too. I say the law has been involved always. The mortuary in St. Goerge has prepared our dead. Do you supose They were crimnal's too. Examine your Ruthless viberation's of insensible story's. Fly the sky's. Turn off the show. Look about with your opinion, not Flora's candid veiw. See what is upon the earth in reality. My bussiness, is not your bussiness. Keep your nose out of my Ruthless truth. Court is adjourned. Make fun out of some one else. Use up lies, with out my lip's. Keep tragic, Ruthless opinion's away from me. You Voted for war. I am building a city. You see the end of the earth, upon insensibility. I see Love and Joy forever into eternity. I have a dream, A song to sing. What have you chosen. Truth? Truthless? Joy? or trouble as you supose?

rumor-has-it said...

I know that in J family, D and P took their children under 7 and went with J. They went to Zion. All their other children are at home in the other mothers care and the children miss their mothers dearly. They haven't seen them for almost a year. He's on a mission.
The children are taught that if they are good children then they will get to go to Zion and if not they will be destroyed. Why do you think that Az and Ut both have people that are in mental institutions...and all the children leaving the Creek won't stand up and fight or even say anything bad against the prophet. They are damned to hell.

(Aren't you proud of me, I didn't use any names)

Anonymous said...

wow. We are improving. Let's say now, that since you are still on a quest, for truth. You start with your self. Who have you saved today. Any ol' fool can fight. Who can live the law of Christ? Me? You? Obviously I need more repentance. I am still on your candid persicuting page. Who will you save today?

Anonymous said...

Jesus said, If you save but one soul, great is your Joy in heaven. And according to the law, you have the right to tell yourself what to do. Did, you then stay within your right's and tell yourself to save your soul? I say. WE argue Ruthlessly. It is written, Let there be no disputes among you. And war was raged. All talk of peace was sent out to sea, to sail upon the waves of Ruthless insensibility. See how much repentance is needed inside of me. My bussiness is sensitive enough, with out being the side kick show. And If I can save my soul it will be a mericle. But Jesus has said, Fear not little one. I have came to bless you. Were in-sensibility was, I will stand. Where sin is, I will heal. Were failings wailed, I calm the storm. For life is in me. All you have to do is ask. Did you ask Jesus to help you? Who of you in all your encredible streanth, can build an earth. Who can put healing in a soul. What you give out, comes back again. This is the universal law. No man can die, With out this Christ. No man can live, except in him. You have come to make a choice. Will you carry a bom, or Life upon eternity? And fear not, little flock. Warren will soon be used to me. And he will find joy with me. He will then Be Ruthless no more, and you all, will be entirely and ruggedly, RUTHLESS, upon eternity, unless you can dwell with Christ also. For I have no desire to participate in gossip. Tis' no filthyier sentance upon the earth. But, I know Jesus Doth claim his own, and Lucifer also. I chose Christ, And his one man upon the earth, What will your choice be? Think carefully before you fill your cup. Tis' you who has to drink it.

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HardHeaded said...

I heard a story some time ago about a 4 year old child that got up one morning and told his mother that he'd had a dream and that she needed to pack his things because he was leaving in 4 days. He didn't tell her where he was going but she did what he asked. (Ya, he's 4 according to the story teller). 4 days passed and his mother recieved a call From Warren Jeffs telling her that the Lord wanted her son to go to zion and he asked her if it would be alright, just as her son had told her.

So, that is the only account I've heard of this happening. Does anyone no more about this?

ATAR_i said...

So they are taking children without parents to Texas?

Does anyone know what the rationale might be.

Anonymous said...

Children are the future... here's my guess, the first ward is going to break into two- those that go with Warren to Texas and those that remain and a new prophet steps forward. Warren will start his own church and when he's arrested- someone will step up to fill the void.

Let's talk about the abuse allegations, I just read "God's Brothel" and it's brutal in it's allegations of abuse in CC. Now it may not of happened in your house or mine, but I know many of us did nothing about it happening in our neighbors house, why did we let it happen? I know, I know, but they can't get us now so it's time to speak out!!

Saw the photos of the men arrested yesterday and they look SCARY! (could think of other photos that should of been there) Glad I didn't end up with one of them.

rumor-has-it said...

Warren Jeffs once told the people that if they did not come up to the mark; another people was being prepared to take their place. He then called some young children out of the audiance and had them tell their testimonies.

ATAR_i said...

But do they really leave their parents? And, since warren is missing in action - who will be raising these children? Someone elses mother? Someone elses fathers? Or will they be like in a dorm.

But breaking up families, I guess this wouldn't be so out of this world since the people went for breaking apart marriages with narry a fight.

Anonymous said...

That is a lot more than can be said of your divorces. From the accounts I have heard from your men, the women are viciouse, and take all they have. They throw them out with out any thing. Houses, Children. Then they have to pay child suport. And spoucial suport. Then the nation calls them Dead beat dad's. Why do you not make a holiday for them. Instead of Father's day, you could call it reality Check. And fly the flag of justace. Equal pay for equal divorce. Equal visitation, for equal parenting. You could call it Equal tax evasion, and restitution.

Anonymous said...

And if that did not suit you, you could hire a lawer, to win for you, and when you were done, you would have payed his way too. Just think, Why your choice you chose, shut the door, to the house that once was yours, And you sat dejectedly in a bar, Your lawer and maritail spouse, would sit comfortably, behind closed doors. You would work and labor, to be free to pay there way. And since the government takes its pay first, they would have your tax. That is what I call tax evasion. It evaded you. It went up in smoke as they sent the rocket to the moon. And your choice in love sat comfortably in a Queen's embrace. Unless you happened to be in court. Then you would think you had dragged her through the biggest puddle, in the muddle. Wailing and bellering about your abuse, Then you could discuse equality. And the Judge would hold you in contemt of court, for being disagreeable. After all he needed payed too. And would it look right to make a women be equal on reality? He would not look like a gentleman. And when her mouth was shut, they could pretend she was a lady. I think, she would apear that way, if she kept her mouth shut. And the children cry for the father and the mother. And are used as bait. yes, fly the flag for that. Make it a tradition, and every time you get your check, think of a reality check. And wonder, who's money it is in reality? YOurs, Hers, or the government's.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like there's a lot of puppets out there. Someone pulls the string and they jump. Otherwise they wait for that to happen. What a way to live.

Anonymous said...

where can I see pics of the men arrested?

Anonymous said...

Reply to ANON

where can I see pics of the men arrested?

7/13/2005 12:02 AM


http://childbrides.org/news_action_MCSO_Press_release.html

Anonymous said...

Ruth, get a life. Also, read the blog heading. Post something that applies and preferrably makes sense.

Anonymous said...

One of the Musser doctrines was the concept of raising the children as calves in a stall (with no outside influence). I wonder if this is part of Warren's reasoning in taking the young (and thus pure).

onthestreet said...

Ruth is one of the few who truly has a life here, and hereafter.

fttc said...

So now street is handing out eternal life. He must have finished his repentance! Oh hold it! He's still on the blog?! I guess if he is that righteous and still on the blog the rest of us have a chance maybe?

ATAR_i said...

Anon and Ruth. It is not My Divorce since I am not divorced, nor have I EVER been. And, you guys just have divorce, without all the legal stuff, and from what I hear - ALOT OF IT. But you have access to the courts - the same as I do, for the same type of divorce - so 'My Divorce' a bogus use of language.

Tell me more about Musser - who is he? I know (sorry to bring it up again but it's an interesting parralell) - Adolph Hitler used aryan women to breed a race of children that were raised with just the right teachings and routines. It was probably a little 'master race' side project, but it ended, and those were children without families.

At the time, women were more than willing to do it for the cause (not unlike today).

If he IS doing that - WHAT A MONSTER.

Anonymous said...

Anf notice the word IF. IF. IF. IF. IF. IF. IF. COULD TAKE YOU TO MISERY IN A HURRY. IF THIS AND IF THAT. Have you saved yourself?

fttc said...

Anon 9:53

You don't like the word if in our disciussions perhaps because it indicates we don't know. You are right in one respect. Warren has been charged with crimes and IF he would surrender to the law as he has directed the peons to do we would know IF he is guilty. IF he is not guilty he will be returned to his wonderful job of building Zion. IF he is not guilty the law will have to look elsewhere for the cause of mass delinquency coming from the Creek. And IF warren had nothing to hide he would give himself up.

ATAR_i said...

I looked through my post directly above the IF, IF, IF, IF Guys post.

My post said IF exactly ONCE

But that's par for the course on this board. You aren't FLDS, you must be a divorced liar who's spent thousands of dollars in the courts, eats green dollars like they were candy, is devoid of all that is good, doesn't love children, and has no regard for anyone's privacy.

Now, I think people should just settle down and answer the girls question.

Are the women birthing babies at home (nothing wrong witht he question or the answer - it's just a question).

Why did the clinic have gates and cameras (it's an interesting question - most medical clinics don't need that level of security).

So - can anyone answer that question without verbally assaulting the original poster?

Anonymous said...

From a post by Atar_i

"So they are taking children without parents to Texas?

Does anyone know what the rationale might be."

It could be as some posters pointed out, for creating a "Hitler Youth" type of loyality, or something more sinister.

The children could be there (YFZ) as human shields in case of a raid by law enforcement looking for Warren Jeffs.

Hope Jeffs has to sense to turn himself in to FBI or Sheriff Doran rather than put any of his followers at risk.. But then when has Jeffs shown common sense. Coming here to Texas wasn't so bright.

Signed a Texan.

Anonymous said...

I am now dumber for having read this thread.

A soul said...

I'm being reminded of a show "the Boys from Brazil". or how about Rod Serling...picture a man, taking a journey beyond sight and sound, he's left C.C.,and entered the YFZone.

Anonymous said...

Around the first of the year, I heard that Warren sent a recording to the home schools for the children to hear, telling them that he will not forget the Children of Zion. The mother I heard this from was VERY worried that they would just come to the schools and pick up the children with no notice. And even more chilling, another parent who is on the outs but heard about the tape said, "what better person could there be to raise my children?"

rumor-has-it said...

I heard that WJ sent a picture of him and a hand written note to each and every girl over 12. The note said "I will not forget you."

Anonymous said...

now that is just sad

Anonymous said...

When we were back in school, Warren said more than once that the biggest problem he had training the youth were their parents. If you have the morning class tapes I think you can find it more than once on them. Taking the younger children is something that Warren would do, everyone that can, should get all the info the can on this to Gary Engles.

Anonymous said...

4:06, that is not only sad, it is SICK SICK SICK!!!

WHY don't people wake up and see Warren for what he is. He has set himself up as God and people actually worship him. It is Horrifying!

divaqs said...

It would be painful for me to be parted from my children, especially with no idea on when they would be back. Is that the case? Are the kids going to something like a week long camp or is this for an indefinite time period? I can't imagine how parents who love their children could willingly allow this. I doubt the children like being seperated from their families....

I think of all the things I have heard, this disturbs me the most.

ATAR_i said...

A note to every girl - not the boys?

Children being packed up and sent away.

It's a bit chilling - this guy is the whole bag (of nuts). Wow.

Anonymous said...

Chilling.

Just freakin' chilling.

Does evil know no bounds?

Anonymous said...

As near as I have been able to tell, nothing Warren does is done with communication. It just happens and people sit around and wonder about it (if they dare - they voice the wonderment, but most don't dare). My guess is that when these kids disappear, nobody knows for how long or even where they are going to. I doubt that their own parents even know.

feralfem said...

What is hard to fathom for outsiders is the fact that insiders are taught that the children they bring into this world do not actually belong to them. They belong to the priesthood. The woman's job is to give birth to the spirits waiting in the spirit world for a temporal body so that they can be eligible to take part in the first resurrection. In other words, provide mortal bodies of flesh and blood to these waiting spirits. But always, it is to be understood that they belong to the priesthood. A child is not actually "your" child. You are a caretaker of its life - to nurture, feed, clothe, teach [read indoctrinate], etc., etc.

"Your" child is baptized at the age of eight and from that point on the child has "freely chosen" the laws of the priesthood, to live a Celestial Law, and to honor and obey God through His Prieshood (the prophet) on earth. That child no longer has any choices regarding what direction his life will take ever after that; they are completely given away at the age of eight. (I won't even ask you whether you think an eight-year-old is capable of making such a momentous decision or even understand that's what s/he is actually "choosing.")

Now you tell me... is it such a far stretch to imagine that these "faithful" mothers and fathers would have much of a problem if their child was "chosen" by their prophet for whatever divine and holy purpose as he is telling them is in store for "their" children? I can easily imagine these parents would consider their children very special to be "called up" under these circumstances - what a glorious privilege!

And, by the same token, if a child is rebellious - doesn't follow the laws of the priesthood (or thinks he can change his mind after baptism - do you not now see how easy it is to "throw them away?"

Namaste

Anonymous said...

That is really sad. I can only imagine how sad that would be to have all your little brothers and sisters gone, only hoping that one day you'd be good enough to go with them. Or to be one of the mothers who had to go with the "chosen" ones and leave all your older children behind. It stinks!

ATAR_i said...

Does anyone know which children are gone? Names?

Anonymous said...

sounds like hitler

Anonymous said...

Kinda like the Third Reich, but without any of the charm.

ATAR_i said...

OK - you're going to make me say it - Hitler was worse. There is a comparison in mindset and the way they work. But no comparison to the atrocities - so I won't give Hitler more charm - NO WAY.

Anonymous said...

I was just kidding about the Third Reich thing.

I was just messing with words.

I have heard several times that "Colorado City is kind of like the Amish, but without any of the charm".

Anonymous said...

Who are the pure in heart?
A child

Who can Uncle Warren mold into perfect soul for Zion?
A child

Who can Uncle Warren teach his hate and vile sermons to?
A child

Who will Uncle Warren have as his army? Brainwashed children who grow up into brainwashed adults.

Have a nice day.

Anonymous said...

My hell, you people!

This story is only a rumor! There is absolutly no evidence to support this story. Stop treating it like gospel until it is a proven fact!

onthestreet said...

What is hard to fathom for outsiders is the fact that insiders are taught that the children they bring into this world do not actually belong to them. They belong to the priesthood.

Well now, aren't all children God's children? And Priesthood is God. There now, you okay with that?

onthestreet said...

That in response to: Namaste
7/13/2005 10:19 PM

Anonymous said...

I think that it is more truth that one would think. Warren has said that the children should be better than the parents. He has said that the parents are his biggest problem with giving the young people correct training. He is taking wives from men because they are not "good enough" to train their families. What is he to do with the mothers that are not good enough? Remove their children and take them to some "holy place", maybe? Fathers and Grandfathers, you have a legal right to see your children and grandchildren. Do it, find where they are. Don't let them be hidden away and brainwashed.

Anonymous said...

It might only be a rumor, but it was started by someone who knew that their own little brothers and sisters were taken away.

Another often quoted saying in the FLDS: Only the young and middle aged will be able to redeem Zion...

RE: Hitler
Maybe he was worse than Warren, but Warren has mastered something even Hitler didn't - he can draw a circle in the sand and tell somebody to stand in it, and they will willingly. He doesn't really need a huge army. Amazing!

rumor-has-it said...

The only rumor part of it is if they are taking young children without their parents. I know for a fact that they are taking children under 7 with their parents.

Anonymous said...

This is from a study on gorillas, Maybe we have figured him out:


"In the latest example of such work, Bradley et al. investigated patterns of dominance and reproduction in wild populations of the mountain gorilla in
Rwanda over a 15-year period, with a particular focus on how reproduction is apportioned between the adult males. In groups with two adult silverback
males, genotypic analyses revealed that the dominant male was responsible for 85% of paternity. The subordinate male is typically unrelated to the dominant, having joined the group after migrating from another. When combined with the genetic data, behavioral observations suggested that the
most likely explanation for the dominant male's lack of a reproductive monopoly is that he is unable to prevent the subordinate from having access
to the females. This is an example of the "tug-of-war" model of
reproductive skew in animal societies, as opposed to the "concessions" model, where the dominant male permits limited matings by subordinates--a
situation that is more likely when the males are related to one another."

Now we know why Warren the ape wants all the 12 year old girls.

onthestreet said...

I too want the twelve and their purity, undefiled and kept where they belong, in the Prophet.

Anonymous said...

Sick.

You're sick, onthestreet.

onthestreet said...

Well that brand of "sickness" is optimal health, and exhuberating with life.

Anonymous said...

It must be contagious. Now you're making me want to puke.

onthestreet said...

So exactly how is UNDEFILED sick?

ATAR_i said...

Ewwwwww now OTS claims to be undefiled - immaculate and undefiled - how did warren manage to lose a gem like you? (psych)

Anonymous said...

Anybody read what the children of Hildale were doig to outsiders who were trying to help?

KSL TODAY
Boys Suspected of Firing Rifle at Air Tankers
Jul. 16, 2005
HILDALE, Utah (AP) -- Police confiscated a rifle from three boys suspected of firing shots at air tankers after another boy sparked a brush fire with fireworks.

B-L-M officials say the pilots had enough on their hands flying under hazardous conditions without being fired upon.

The bureau dispatched three single-engine air tankers, a helicopter and other air support Thursday to help put out a 28-acre fire before it could grow larger.

Hildale Mayor David Zitting says the three juveniles are denying a witness' account that they were firing shots at the airplanes but that police took their rifle anyway.

It wasn't immediately clear if any of the planes were hit. Hildale police and the Bureau of Land Management are looking into it.

Anonymous said...

Guilty until proven innocent? Just because they were seen with "rifles" (could have been paintball, toys) does not mean that they were actually firing. And even if they were pointing them at the planes, doesn't mean they pulled the trigger.

Try not to paint people black if you don't have the info.

fttc said...

I don't think the police would confiscate a paintball gun or a toy rifle. You must be a warrenite. They will bend over backward to justify their own. Yes, they are innocent until proven guilty. But they do have a valid point about the outsiders help here and warren's refusal to allow our firefighters to help with other fires.

Anonymous said...

Are the children in CC so scared of outsider that they would shoot at them, even when they're trying to help? What have they been told about us gentiles?

fttc said...

I know it was being taught in school by one of the warrenite teachers that everytime a plane flew over the children should go indoors because the planes were spreading poison over the town. You really would not believe the lengths some in town will go to make sure thier children think badly of the gentiles. It is a shame that people will scare children like this.
In defense of those who are wiser among us I know not all of the people in town are this extreme. When one mother found out this was being taught in school she confronted the teacher and let her know she did not appreciate it. This mother is still 'in'. So not all of us are so bad, but those extremists sure color the whole batch.

Anonymous said...

I grew up in West Texas and graduated from Sonora High School, 20 miles from Eldorado. I can tell you that the folks in Eldorado and the surrounding areas are NOT going to put up with this for long. They may not all be the most well-educated people in the world but they DO know right from wrong. (Something some of the FLDS seem confused about) And I am not hearing to much "right" happening there.

another Texan

Anonymous said...

Sorry, that was TOO much right... I know how some of you are about spelling and typos...
the Texan from Sonora

Anonymous said...

No offence, but this blog and this post in particular are seriously weird

Anonymous said...

I am not part of the FLDS or the LDS. Just a girl that was raised in a wonderfully loving family. Warren Jeffs is a child abuser if he marries girls so young. And why is he hiding if he is so holy? Shouldn't God be telling him what to do? He makes up what he wants you to hear, so that everyone will do what he wants. 99% of the people posting on here can't even spell. For someone that is so smart, he should at least be able to teach you proper English.

onthestreet said...

7/19/2005 11:44 AM

You said: "And why is he hiding if he is so holy? Shouldn't God be telling him what to do?

"And Jesus left Jerusalem, and hid himself from the people." And the Jewish Bat Mitzvah makes girls adults at age 12. That's what God wanted them to do.

So if a man emulates Christ and the ancient Jewish tradition in so many ways, or even just in this one way, WHERE'S THE CRIME?

The only crime is in seeking to stop it, and to dictate to God, and to put limits on what God can do in the lives of people.

You become an enemy to God.

onthestreet said...

By the way, the prophet is not the English teacher. Many who post here didn't do much high-school. There were too busy bringing life into the world.

Now, anyone tell me: WHERE IS THE CRIME IN THAT?

rumor-has-it said...

Wait a minute! These are not BAD people. They are not doing anything bad to you. They are great people to be around, they are our family and friends. They are some of the hardest workers I know. They just have a few ideas they need to change. And some communication issues. Every person born in America has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I understand this blog is a way of breaking down the communication barrier. This is not about polygamy and it's detrimint to society. Polygamy has been going on for hundreds and thousands of years. The problem we see is that some people will lie for their religion and will let a dictator take over their lives.

rumor-has-it said...

If you take a look at the compound in Texas. You should be impressed with what a bunch of people are doing with no bank financing. Starting from sage brush up and building a community. It takes ALOT to be a pioneer. The people are gentle and modest. They take good care of their children as a general rule, and love their wives. It may be different from how you love yours, but that's OK.

The bad part is the secretcy and lies. But this is America. In America we solve our problems by communicating.

Faithful Woman said...

warren isn't an English teacher? Then what did he teach? He was a teacher at the Alta Academy and then the principal.

Oh yeah, we have built this community of Colorado City/Hildale without bank financing. The YFZ Ranch didn't need bank financing cause they had all of the cash this place could cough up. Where are the merchants from San Angelo on this blog? What did they pay for their merchandice with? Short Creet sweat money.

No, this posting of warren's dark fruits of his "labor" is not intended to incite violence. It is to release our own pent up fealings of outrage and frustration.
We love our families and friends still, even if they won't have anything to do with us because they believed a delusion. It will take a long time for them to regain their stability, if ever. They need a lot of forgiveness and patience.
Please Texas, take good care of our kin when you can.

ogre said...

Faithful

for the record, Warren taught Math,geography, and computer science. Myrna Wall was the english teacher.

BTW anyone ever deal with Warren when he was a computer programmer??

onthestreet said...

He is still a master mathematician, geographer, and programmer.

Anonymous said...

He is a politician, a philosopher, an erudite scholar, a linguist, a metaphysician, a military commander, a prince, a god, a necromancer, an enchanter, a diviner, a magician, a socerer, a prophet and (if it were not railing) a clergyman and a liar from the beginning.

Hmmmm, now we just need to add "master mathematician, geographer, and programmer" and we have Warren the holey profit perfectly described.

onthestreet said...

Well, at least you got part of it right:

He is a politician, a philosopher, an erudite scholar, a linguist, a metaphysician, a military commander, a prince, a god, a diviner, a prophet.

God and his prophets are all things to all men. But then, does that make them evil, because of the fact that Satan too has many talents? Such imaginings!