FLDS Prophet Warren Jeffs may be serving life in prison, but his followers continue with their work on the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas where the group's white limestone Temple towers over the town they are building. Polygamy, the practice of plural marriage, appears to be alive and well in the Lone Star State, despite laws to the contrary.
Sunday, June 05, 2005
The unfaithful are getting discouraged and leaving
It is 10:30 Saturday Night. There are lights on at the LSJ Meetinghouse and a diesel trailer is backed up. What do you think they are doing?
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No I don't think its the unfaithful leaving. I would say its the loyal taking what they can from the U.E.P. If you can document what is happening, it will be usefull in court!!!
The question is, is this UEP property? Up to no good is the other half of the answer! Hope some one is video taping! Doesn't sound like the same law that protected Warren's property rights in the past, applies now, since the shoe is on the other foot.
•No Sign of building that was removed from CC/Hillsdale and no new concrete foundations •Very little movement outside •cargo truck parked behind temple, nothing unusual •No sign of furnace, crematorium or any other device that would resemble a furnace •No one in garden •Followed by a black pick up – the only thing moving at the compound but it was Sunday and 11:00 am. Everyone could have been in church.
New drilling rig on Ronny Kerr place is now in its third day of operation. It is located about 200 yards off of the west- northwest corner of the FLDS property. If it hits and is good enough, all hell may break loose because the royalties of the compound belong to other investors and not the FLDS.
Contact the blog admin and they will give you my email address and phone number. I a fan of yours and I think it would be fascinating to talk to you. The flight will not cost you anything.
This message is for anyone that personally knows Allen Steed, LeRoy Jeffs, Dan Barlow, Dan Wayman, Alma Barlow and many others that have been "handled" by the Holy Prophet. These Men are not only undeserving of a Prophet, They don't even deserve their Wives and Children. After all They no longer hold the priesthood. Hell, They don't even deserve to live in Colorado City let alone the Texas compound. They no longer deserve our respect, or even our friendship for that matter. Now We can do as the Prophet says and not have any sympathy for these poor souls. We can now shun these sinners, after all they must have commited a heinous crime because the Holy Prophet said They did. Now their Wives are married to other Men. More Worthy Men of course. Now They can see that Their Husbands have been commiting sins that were kept secret from even them. The Children now have different brothers and sisters, different Fathers, new names, a different house. Now the children can learn the truth about their Fathers. They are so bad that They no longer can call them "Father" They no longer have to use the last name of their Fathers which has been so grossly shamed. Let these Men Just go away and repent from a far away city. They shoudn't be amoung those of Us who are rightous. We are safe for now. No revelations about any of our transgressions. We are so blessed. These Men will be forgotten eventually anyway. They only got what they deserved. Right? So here's the question. We all know the works of these Men. We've seen them for years. We know Their character. If these Men are not good enough, are You?
Mark Shurtleff chose to get involved with the civil action (against the UEP) three days after his appearance on Dr. Phil, where Shurtluff was chastised as 'needing to get real' with the citizens of Utah and his duties as the Attorney General.
June 4, 2005, the St. George Spectrum quoted Shurtleff: "Shurtleff said the action his office took last week against the UEP trustees is to protect church members interests and the state is not seizing property." "We are stepping up to protect the interests of the beneficiaries because Warren Jeffs has not." It appeared the trust's assets were being pillaged and that needed to stop. Shurtleff got involved because the UEP trustees were not representing the beneficiaries of the trust.
Shurtleff's words were powerful and we applaud his action, however, an injunction without enforcement makes Shurtleff's words appear as a public relations maneuver. As of June 5, 2005, there is no record of local authorities enforcing the injunction, it is private citizens that have been documenting what they can but their effort is grossly understaffed and unorganized.
The injunction against the UEP was extended today, June 6, for 10 more days. The Utah Attorney General's office has stated that it is up to local law enforcement to enforce the injunction. The local law enforcement has been notified according to the Attorney General's office. According to the AG, any assets or items removed from UEP property by any representative of the trust, will be in contempt of court and any property removed by a citizen (non UEP) will be considered theft.
A thorough documentation could (and should) have been done upon the injunction notice... what has been over-looked must be addressed now! The injunction must be enforced! If it is not being enforced by the local authorities then the AG office should take action. Law-breaking individuals have gone unpunished for too long and action, not just words, must be taken! Since the injunction was passed, the lack of enforcement of the injunction has led to vast amounts of looting and pillaging of various UEP assets.
The question I pose to Mark Shurtleff and local law enforcement is this: Will beneficiaries of the trust continue to lose their life-long investments as assets continue to be stolen and will this blatant theft and disregard for the law continue indefinitely?
This does prove that Warren knows about the injunction and the hearing date but just couldn't be bothered with showing up.
Whoever in CC and Hildale that can, write down the people involved and turn that info over to the outside police. It may seem slow, but the wheels of justice will turn.
I did read that the police arrested one person while the log home building was being torn down.
How in the world can you see where it is ok to treat women and children as property to be given away? How can you see a woman you see as faithful (such as your own mother, grandmother or daughter) as a prostitute to be given off as a prize to who some flake sees as the most faithful?
Hi Missy - I'm not Mountian Man - but I think he was trying to be sarcastic to cover up the horror he feels for these men -- the ones who just gave up and wouldn't stand up for their families - And Warren Jeffs the one who is ordering it all. He can correct me if I'm wrong but I bet this is where he's coming from. It is so good to see you are worried and concerned.
I flew over this morning at about 9:30 am. It was very hazy. I apologize for quality of photos, junky digital camera that had no stabilizer on it. I am going to get a better one soon. I decided to set up a small site for everyone to see pics. You may use them as you see fit. I will be posting to it periodically.
For years the people fighting against us have been trying to prove that it is just the land that the UEP owns not the buildings. Well they can take the land, but they darn well better reimburse us for the buildings and improvements that the courts have stated people are entitled to. The buildings that are being taken are not owned by the UEP, according to the courts!!!
According to your own prophet waje and Sam Barlow, the UEP does own the value of the real asset. You don't own your house yet. Hang in there and you should be able to soon.
Hello Missy. I was being sarcastic. These are some of the best Men You could Find anywhere. What has happened to them and their families is a travesty. My point was exactly as You stated. Any Warrenites that think they are better than these men should take a good long look at themselves. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I do apoligize then. I'm a wife and mother myself (and if my husband likes all his parts where they belong he'll remain faithful) And this is horrid that they feel this is ok. Wheres the dignity these women deserve?
Pilot, Thanks for the picture site; that's a great idea! I will be checking there for any new pictures - or maybe you'll let us know here when you post new ones.
Question: Is anyone monitoring the Cortez, Colorado properties? I sure wonder what's going on there, too.
Yea thanks for the pics pilot. I too wonder whats up in Colorado, I can tell everyone for a fact that no one is watching the UEP propertys in C.C. execpt for civilians!
The UT.A.G.'s office asked the local residents to watch, document, and call them if anything is being moved.
HA! okay, so local residents are being asked to put them selfs in a confrontational situation if they do not want to see life long investments ripped off!!
I wonder has any one from the A.G.'s office seen how hostile these people can get when they are being photographed, at such a desperate time.
I offered to stay in the trailer and dialoged with Arizona DES and the Governor's office, but as I take my work serious, I doubt I would meet the states standards!
If you attended the town hall meeting in St. George Dave Berns director of DES or Dept of Economic Security, kept flashing that sign suggesting that someone apply for an open position at the big trailer in town. I figured I should apply and did!
I wouldn't turn down a chance to spend some time below the red cliffs. This could be a string or thread all by itself, I think!
I contacted Janet Napolitano about my interest, but don't worry, there's about as much chance of me working there as that of a snowball in hell, its a pretty slim chance, but someone had to apply. The DES director said no one was applying, its got to be better than construction?
I hear about a compound in Casper, Wyoming. I heard that Leroy Jeffs has disappeared and his family is in hiding. Because of the no speaking policy,and house reassigning people can disappear and no one questions it. Where is Michelle Barlow Jeffs, Ora Steed Jeffs, Naomi Jessop Jeffs? I heard they fled the compound in Texas and that is why Ernest Jessop and Allen Steed lost their families. Because they couldn't keep a lid on it.
I too would like to know about the girls who fled the compound.Many friends of mine married either Uncle Rulon or Warren.{which is basically the same thing}I would like to know how life has treated them,and renew our friendship.{thatis if they want to.}
What about the MIB rumor of David Zitting? I saw the Dr. Phil show and heard that piece that justified eviction and removing the lost boys, to hitlers extermination plan. Is David really in trouble for saying those things?
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No I don't think its the unfaithful leaving. I would say its the loyal taking what they can from the U.E.P.
If you can document what is happening, it will be usefull in court!!!
The question is, is this UEP property? Up to no good is the other half of the answer! Hope some one is video taping! Doesn't sound like the same law that protected Warren's property rights in the past, applies now, since the shoe is on the other foot.
I wonder if they're taking the organ and such things to use in their temple.
Recon Today:
•No Sign of building that was removed from CC/Hillsdale and no new concrete foundations
•Very little movement outside
•cargo truck parked behind temple, nothing unusual
•No sign of furnace, crematorium or any other device that would resemble a furnace
•No one in garden
•Followed by a black pick up – the only thing moving at the compound but it was Sunday and 11:00 am. Everyone could have been in church.
pilot please keep as good as watch as possible.
and any one else that notices semi trucks,trailers please document and post.
New drilling rig on Ronny Kerr place is now in its third day of operation. It is located about 200 yards off of the west- northwest corner of the FLDS property. If it hits and is good enough, all hell may break loose because the royalties of the compound belong to other investors and not the FLDS.
To the Antique Mormon:
Contact the blog admin and they will give you my email address and phone number. I a fan of yours and I think it would be fascinating to talk to you. The flight will not cost you anything.
I would like to see photos of the drill rig.
did you get any pilot.
I will get some this afternoon
Let's all pray for oil!
This message is for anyone that personally knows Allen Steed, LeRoy Jeffs, Dan Barlow, Dan Wayman, Alma Barlow and many others that have been
"handled" by the Holy Prophet. These Men are not only undeserving of a Prophet, They don't even deserve their Wives and Children. After all They no longer hold the priesthood. Hell, They don't even deserve to live in Colorado City let alone the Texas compound. They no longer deserve our respect, or even our friendship for that matter. Now We can do as the Prophet says and not have any sympathy for these poor souls. We can now shun these sinners, after all they must have commited a heinous crime because the Holy Prophet said They did. Now their Wives are married to other Men. More Worthy Men of course. Now They can see that Their Husbands have been commiting sins that were kept secret from even them. The Children now have different brothers and sisters, different Fathers, new names, a different house. Now the children can learn the truth about their Fathers. They are so bad that They no longer can call them "Father" They no longer have to use the last name of their Fathers which has been so grossly shamed. Let these Men Just go away and repent from a far away city. They shoudn't be amoung those of Us who are rightous. We are safe for now. No revelations about any of our transgressions. We are so blessed. These Men will be forgotten eventually anyway. They only got what they deserved. Right? So here's the question. We all know the works of these Men. We've seen them for years. We know Their character. If these Men are not good enough, are You?
The spud cellar has been gutted in CC.
Mark Shurtleff chose to get involved with the civil action (against the UEP) three days after his appearance on Dr. Phil, where Shurtluff was chastised as 'needing to get real' with the citizens of Utah and his duties as the Attorney General.
June 4, 2005, the St. George Spectrum quoted Shurtleff: "Shurtleff said the action his office took last week against the UEP trustees is to protect church members interests and the state is not seizing property." "We are stepping up to protect the interests of the beneficiaries because Warren Jeffs has not." It appeared the trust's assets were being pillaged and that needed to stop. Shurtleff got involved because the UEP trustees were not representing the beneficiaries of the trust.
Shurtleff's words were powerful and we applaud his action, however, an injunction without enforcement makes Shurtleff's words appear as a public relations maneuver. As of June 5, 2005, there is no record of local authorities enforcing the injunction, it is private citizens that have been documenting what they can but their effort is grossly understaffed and unorganized.
The injunction against the UEP was extended today, June 6, for 10 more days. The Utah Attorney General's office has stated that it is up to local law enforcement to enforce the injunction. The local law enforcement has been notified according to the Attorney General's office. According to the AG, any assets or items removed from UEP property by any representative of the trust, will be in contempt of court and any property removed by a citizen (non UEP) will be considered theft.
A thorough documentation could (and should) have been done upon the injunction notice... what has been over-looked must be addressed now! The injunction must be enforced! If it is not being enforced by the local authorities then the AG office should take action. Law-breaking individuals have gone unpunished for too long and action, not just words, must be taken! Since the injunction was passed, the lack of enforcement of the injunction has led to vast amounts of looting and pillaging of various UEP assets.
The question I pose to Mark Shurtleff and local law enforcement is this: Will beneficiaries of the trust continue to lose their life-long investments as assets continue to be stolen and will this blatant theft and disregard for the law continue indefinitely?
This does prove that Warren knows about the injunction and the hearing date but just couldn't be bothered with showing up.
Whoever in CC and Hildale that can, write down the people involved and turn that info over to the outside police. It may seem slow, but the wheels of justice will turn.
I did read that the police arrested one person while the log home building was being torn down.
The sheriff in El Dorado should pull every truck with a box trailer turning into YFZ over and search its contents.
People should be arrested in CC for packing stuff up and in Texas if caught transporting it.
Mountain Man,
How in the world can you see where it is ok to treat women and children as property to be given away? How can you see a woman you see as faithful (such as your own mother, grandmother or daughter) as a prostitute to be given off as a prize to who some flake sees as the most faithful?
A little bird said Warren is already sceming on another state besides Texas or Colorado. Any one here, have you heard the same rumor?
Ye look for him, where he is not!
Assuming he is close to that temple, may not make it so!
MIB
Hi Missy - I'm not Mountian Man - but I think he was trying to be sarcastic to cover up the horror he feels for these men -- the ones who just gave up and wouldn't stand up for their families - And Warren Jeffs the one who is ordering it all. He can correct me if I'm wrong but I bet this is where he's coming from.
It is so good to see you are worried and concerned.
Missy, that is the whole point. How can ANYONE think that is such a good idea?
I flew over this morning at about 9:30 am. It was very hazy. I apologize for quality of photos, junky digital camera that had no stabilizer on it. I am going to get a better one soon. I decided to set up a small site for everyone to see pics. You may use them as you see fit. I will be posting to it periodically.
http://web.sccn2.net/flds/
For years the people fighting against us have been trying to prove that it is just the land that the UEP owns not the buildings. Well they can take the land, but they darn well better reimburse us for the buildings and improvements that the courts have stated people are entitled to. The buildings that are being taken are not owned by the UEP, according to the courts!!!
According to your own prophet waje and Sam Barlow, the UEP does own the value of the real asset. You don't own your house yet. Hang in there and you should be able to soon.
To Antique Mormon,
I would be honored sir. I will be available anytime you need me...
Hello Missy. I was being sarcastic. These are some of the best Men You could Find anywhere. What has happened to them and their families is a travesty. My point was exactly as You stated. Any Warrenites that think they are better than these men should take a good long look at themselves. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I do apoligize then. I'm a wife and mother myself (and if my husband likes all his parts where they belong he'll remain faithful) And this is horrid that they feel this is ok. Wheres the dignity these women deserve?
Pilot,
Thanks for the picture site; that's a great idea! I will be checking there for any new pictures - or maybe you'll let us know here when you post new ones.
Question:
Is anyone monitoring the Cortez, Colorado properties? I sure wonder what's going on there, too.
Yea thanks for the pics pilot. I too wonder whats up in Colorado, I can tell everyone for a fact that no one is watching the UEP propertys in C.C. execpt for civilians!
The UT.A.G.'s office asked the local residents to watch, document, and call them if anything is being moved.
HA! okay, so local residents are being asked to put them selfs in a confrontational situation if they do not want to see life long investments ripped off!!
I wonder has any one from the A.G.'s office seen how hostile these people can get when they are being photographed, at such a desperate time.
I offered to stay in the trailer and dialoged with Arizona DES and the Governor's office, but as I take my work serious, I doubt I would meet the states standards!
MIB
Who did you offer MIB
Thanks Pilot
The pictures are cool
My family says "don't beleive what you read". Pics don't lie.
Anonymous said...
Who did you offer MIB
6/8/2005 6:34 PM
If you attended the town hall meeting in St. George Dave Berns director of DES or Dept of Economic Security, kept flashing that sign suggesting that someone apply for an open position at the big trailer in town. I figured I should apply and did!
I wouldn't turn down a chance to spend some time below the red cliffs. This could be a string or thread all by itself, I think!
I contacted Janet Napolitano about my interest, but don't worry, there's about as much chance of me working there as that of a snowball in hell, its a pretty slim chance, but someone had to apply. The DES director said no one was applying, its got to be better than construction?
So, what state is being built up now?
I hear about a compound in Casper, Wyoming. I heard that Leroy Jeffs has disappeared and his family is in hiding. Because of the no speaking policy,and house reassigning people can disappear and no one questions it.
Where is Michelle Barlow Jeffs, Ora Steed Jeffs, Naomi Jessop Jeffs? I heard they fled the compound in Texas and that is why Ernest Jessop and Allen Steed lost their families. Because they couldn't keep a lid on it.
I too would like to know about the girls who fled the compound.Many friends of mine married either Uncle Rulon or Warren.{which is basically the same thing}I would like to know how life has treated them,and renew our friendship.{thatis if they want to.}
What about the MIB rumor of David Zitting? I saw the Dr. Phil show and heard that piece that justified eviction and removing the lost boys, to hitlers extermination plan. Is David really in trouble for saying those things?
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