There are hundred of young people who have left the Creek. Many feel no love from parents and siblings and some have not talked to their parents in a year. These are all under 20. They feel they have been lied to all their life and have been betrayed by their prophet and grandfathers and are ashamed that they were even born in CC. Many are homeless, sleep in their cars, turn to drugs, alcohol and sex. They have no use for religion and feel like they are damned anyway. They don't believe in Joseph Smith or anything "mormon".
What could you say are some guidelines to live by that make a good person?
I personally think that cutting my hair and wearing pants won't send me to hell.
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I guess I would say, don't turn to someone else to make you feel whole, worthy, and loved. Start becoming whole by learning, growing and helping, take care of yourself and realize how much you have to offer, start loving others (I'm not talking about sexual love) and reaching out to them. You are not alone
I don't think when you are hurting that turning inward is the answer, becoming absorbed in your own problems and shortcomings.
Go out, out into the world. Find something that you can do to ease suffering, find something you can learn that will help you do that to the best of your abilities. See something else - dive in and make a difference.
Like the song "Best of You" by Foo Fighters. See the video
"Is someone getting the best of you? Are you going to resist or be abused?"
no cutting your hair and wearing pants will not send you to hell.
I apostatized over 20 years ago and still haven't been sent to hell. You will probably go through some hell trying to over come all the brain washing, mind control and lies you have been raised with, but there is hope. Lose your self in helping others and getting a good education. Stay away from the drugs, un married sex and crime. over time you will heal and come to like your self again. It is not what others think about especially the pligs that counts but how you fell about yourself that matters. be true to your self.
Quitman
One of the worst crimes committed by the FLDS was ruining the faith of the people. I think that we need to turn to God and ask Him to help us through this mess. The worst travisty will be to end up thinking that this is all something to do with God's plan. I don't believe that because He allows something that it means He is the author of it. He loves us. We need to remember that. It is hard to understand what that means, when you have been taught that what love is by a bully. But my experience is that when we gravitate toward positive things, look for the good in people, and do good toward people, good comes back to us. Heavenly Father does care. And to all you lost people, you have more friends then you think. Don't be afraid to ask for help.
Wrighter
Will someone please post another people and places thread? The other one got too long. Thanks!
I beg to differ. I agree with staying away from drugs and crime, but go ahead and have all the safe sex you can get away with. Don't listen to anyone who says its a crime. We've already been through too much of that nonsense.
Get educated, set some goals, be respectful of others, take pride in accomplishing even the small things. Yes, I said be proud of your accomplishments. Be a friend to others. Be happy and proud of their accomplishments.
Don't settle for just waking up every day. Challenge yourself to get a little farther ahead every day whether its making money, making friends, or helping a little old lady across the street.
Don't worry about the God thing. In a few years, 5, 10 or 15, with a little different perspective, maybe you will gravitate towards a belief. Maybe you won't. Either way its just fine.
Stay busy, stay gainfully employed, pay your debts, and don't be lazy. Anyone can sit on their ass. You have too much going for you to do that, and I as well as everyone who has ever left and made a life for themselves, expect a lot from you and expect you to succeed.
Set the bar higher than you can jump, you'll be surprised how much higher you'll go.
Long Time Gone
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Thanks, that's good and "doable" advice.
You are a very wise (and comforting) person
Finding Warren's airplane is the key to finding Warren.
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We tried to help my nephew who's dad told him to pack his bags and get out....any way he is running as fast as he can to the drugs and alcohol and sex...For right now he is so blind with selfishness because of his "last name" that he expected us to facilitate him in this maddness...We used tough love and he hates us for it. Well, I hope when he has children of his own he will understand why we couldn't or can't help him until he wanted(s) to help himself.
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this is off the subject, but we need as many people as we can to come to a school board meeting tonight at 7pm at the (raided) school you kno the one. We want them to stop doing fluff stuff in front of the public then have their 'secret' meeting afterward, and undo everything they said
thank you......Hopefully this story has a happy ending too.
Wow Mugwump! I haven't been around this place for awhile and must say that I enjoyed your sermon. You are more of a Mormon than the FLDS and that is not meant as an insult. We have a saying in our sacred book, and you could find that same advice in the proverbs. It was made by a father who had been a wicked man and had fixed his life, and he was giving some advice to his son who I presume was doing the sex, drugs, alcohol thing. "Wickedness never was happiness". It never has been and never will be.
Calling All Angels says,
There are dozens of family members trying to find out if anyone knows what has happened to the "work missionary" boys from the late fifties, the sixties, and up to the middle seventies. Most of them seem to have dropped off of the planet.
We are worried about them and would like to try to connect links to them and find out how they are doing and if their families are OK.
The best information I have been able find is very disturbing because many of them seem to be passed away, kicked out of the group, run away, and generally not doing too well.
Is there a way to maybe start a thread about this???
If we could we might be able to start putting some of the peices together and maybe even help many of the younger "lost boys" or whoever understand what has happened to them better.
Some of these older "work missionaries" may even be great role models for these younger kids.
One of the stories I worry about is a guy who was sent on a job to clean out chicken manure on a chicken farm in St. George for the farm in CC. The job was so horrible in the terrible heat that many of the boys lost their sense of smell permanently and other are still suffering the side affects from this. This is just one of the historical incidents and concerns.
Happy Dominion Day CANADA 138 years old
This doesn't sound like OTS - I think someone got a hold of him, and took his nick.
To onthestreet:
The "Prophets Messenger" has directed that all faithful adherants to Warrenism are to get off this blog immediately.
I guess your really not a faithful member of Warren's FLDS Church as you have claimed to be or else you simply doubt the "Prophets Messenger." Which is it?
Hey! Everyone needs room to grow, OTS too. Leave him alone. We don't need you enforcing Warrens words too.
OTS has an opinion and unlike everyone else he is trying to express him self. And just so you know, this is what happens to people who know they will never measure up to Warren Jeffs edicts. Even if he is a faithful follower, it is good to have his input.
I live in Texas, though not near to El Dorado. Active LDS, but holding fundamentalist testimony. I for one would open my home to anyone that needed a place to stay. No one should feel that they've lost their family. If there is someone here reading this that feels that away, then you're welcome to come join my family. Don't ask much except have good christian values and follow word of wisdom (at least inside the house). Raised 4 boys and helping raise grand kids now.. Arms are open. Email us at celticharper@hotmail.com
Anyone hear about Dan Fischer and all the wonderful things he is doing for the lost boys? Well you should ask him why he kicked Ianthis Barlow from his home after Ianthis told him he wouldn't talk to the lawyers and to stop bad mouthing FLDS leaders. Sounds like he really wants to help em out to me?!!! :(
Are you saying Ianthis didn't know Dan's positon when he accepted Dan's hospitality? I think there may be two sides to this story. If there is any truth to what you say.
I'm just saying if Dan is so benevolent towards theses boys. Then why would he kick one out onto the street just because he might not have wanted to talk bad about someone. Seems like the other side of the coin that he is playing with. "Oh Warren is so bad look at what he is doing to these boys and their lives", and then he takes them in wants to help, but only if they turn on these people. Sounds like he has an axe to grind, and he wants to use these "lost boys" to grind it with. If they don't help him then to hell with them and go find some different boys. That is what it looks like to me.
I don't know Dan personally. I have a nephew that could be considered a "lost boy". Dan contacted him when he was filing the suit on behalf of the boys. Dan asked him if he would be willing to come to Salt Lake and make a statement. The boy replied that he couldn't come because he had a job and no wheels. Dan offered to find him a ride and pay him the same wage he would get at work. When the boy declined to help Dan told him if he ever needed help he was there.
The boy refused to help, yet Dan did not shun him for it. It sounds like you have an axe to grind with Dan to me. My point was that there are two sides to any story and you are not willing to concede that.
what about the lost boys and girls that live in the crik that no one has heard form in months..???? where have they gone? do they feel lonely and sad? do they need a hug? where are they?
If you have ever tried to help a troubled teenager with anything, from cars to jobs and been burned, you would talk differently. Anyone who has been kicked out from the Creek should have feelings and emotions that make them want to fight. After all they have been LIED to.
My guess is that there is more to the Dan and the "lost boy" story.
Listen up listen closely to what is in your heart. Listen for the still small voice that is the Holy Ghost.
Oh and this
Remember that Organized religion is a creation of man and is therefore susceptale to all the eaknesses for man;Greed,Jealousey,Pride,Avarvice,Deceit,,,, These men that twist and prevert the word of God will have to pay some day. In the meantime find the answer where it has always been,,,,, and remember
We believe the Bible to be the word of God insomuch as it has been correctly translated
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