OK, let's find warren
Anyone know of any property he has in his name. Who are the men around him who would purchase things on his behalf? Does he travel with a wife - or leave them behind? Approximately how many would be in his entourage?
How does he travel, does he drive, do others drive for him? What sort of vehicle does he like to drive in? What kinds of places does he like to go? Who normally cuts his hair? What sorts of foods does he like to eat? Where would he go? People keep mentioning Mexico - or the South - where specifically in the south? Does he take any medications on a regular basis? Does he have any underlying medical concerns?
How does he communicate? Can his communications be intercepted? Does he travel with a bodyguard (who)? Does he travel with a doctor (who)? Does he travel with a wife (who)? What does he do during the days? What sorts of amenities would he have to have?
Lets start sharing some information so we can find him. What about his passport - is there some sort of STOP on the passport for traveling overseas - let's at least make it a challenge for him to travel.
If everyone shares what they know - even little pieces -
we might be able to generate some leads.
we might be able to generate some leads.
78 comments:
It was no accident that law enforcement agencies were NOT informed of the warrants about Warren before the press. It was a calculated and deliberate leak. They wanted to give him plenty of time to flee. He would be some one else’s problem and not theirs. It avoided a Waco and relieved everyone of the responsibility of serving a warrant. He is just a nickel and dime criminal compared to the many REAL criminals that justice departments have to face every day. He will be caught, but he is not a priority.
Interesting info anonynmous. But in this world wouldn't alerting the press about warrants be *almost* simultaneous with law enforcement knowing? Or is this a paperwork gap - authority to act gap?
Recent interview in the San Angelo Standard Times quotes David Doran as "He and Utah law enforcement were informed by the press before being informed by AG office of warrant for Warren Jeffs ”. In other words, the cops learned of the warrant in the news papers or it may have been deliberately leaked to appear so.
What a CROCK ! Ya'all are falling for the asumption that these guys are efficent and know what they are doing.
They are all just lazy politicians at heart.
Why do we want to catch him, he is losing everything, by his being a coward and not showing in court. Default judgements are so much easier and probably cheaper for the tax payers as well.
If you want to look, here are some names to start with:
David Steed Allred
Guy Steed Allred
James Allred
Richard Allred
Samuel Allred
Wendell L. Nielsen
Allan E. Keate
Leland S. Keate
John C. Wayman
Benjamin Jeffs
Joshua Jeffs
Isaac Jeffs
& Jerald Williams.......
A DMV search of registered vehicles to corporations and trusts controlled by Warrem followed by the religious alite, then APB's if it was really a priority! Time will tell, the writing is on the wall, more of a heads up to LE!
Does anybody know anything about Allan or Lee Keate?
Allan Keate disappeared from Colorado City around Jan 2004. Lee was still in town as of a month ago. Rumor is that he is in Mancos, Colorado.
How old is Allan and Lee Keate, and are the father and son, or brothers or cousins?
What kind of work are they involved with. Construction, electrical or the suit types?
It is highly unlikely that any of the major players in this story will share info on this or any other blog as to the whereabouts of WJ. The cops and investigators do watch this site, however, and sometimes are able to glean bits of information out of the vast pile of garbage that wannabes post.
Allan and Lee Keate are brothers. Oldest sons of Eldon Keate. They are both in their fifties. They are both machinists by trade.
HAPPY FATHERS DAY, UNCLE WARREN,
I pray the best for you and yours.
It's just like the days of Joseph Smith. These same things he was accused of in his day. Joseph smith had many wives and alot of people did not like that. Hence, he was persecuted just has we see Warren Jeffs is. All I can see is that man is standing up for his beliefs just as we saw Joseph Smith stand for his beliefs. History repeats itself.
Another interesting thing I thought about is when Joseph Smith was martyerd then close to 100 men claimed to be the next leader of the church. And yet it seems that the moment Brigham Young claimed(and he didn't really even claim) to be the next leader of the Church then immediate persecution followed. Very Interesting. The persecution followed him clear to Utah! What about all the other break-offs? Nobody even cared about them! Just as we see today. What about all these other break-offs from the FLDS? Do we see very much if at all any persecution? It's just as Jesus Christ said, "Those who live Godly in Christ shall suffer persecution." The focus is all on this man(Warren Jeffs). May God Bless him for his standing in what he believes in.
The wheels of God grind slowly. They grind exeedingly fine. With patience he stands waiting and with exactness grinds us all.
To anon 11:35
But unlike Joseph Smith, Warren is ripping families apart, right left and center. He is bankrupting business, oppressing the people, and causing heartache and sorrow throughout all of the people who believe in him. How could you possibly compare Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or anybody but Hitler to what Warren is doing to the people that love and admire him.
Joseph had his wives, but Warren is getting his like John C. Bennett. Read the history and compare the two.
break offs from the flds? the "flds" didn't exist until the "priesthood group" took on the trappings of a church in opposition to the LDS church.
persucution?
all through history, people use persucution as a reason to be the bitterest persecutors...
what brainwashing it must take for a man to just leave a family behind, and the family to willingly leave?
It has been a gradual process, since the 80's (and in smaller doses before that) where men have threatened the people with all kinds of evil if they questioned there leader...
sad sad sad
Comparing Warren with the Prophet Joseph Smith? Now that is just funny. Try comparing him to his great contemporaries Osama bin Ladin, and his brother Saddam Hussein. Holy men, wives and children, beautiful big houses, money, power, brutal, hiding or like one of them, caught.
AND WARREN Jeffs HAS NOT RIPPED ANY FAMILY APART. Would it not be nice if you people outside of the fundamental Church was to pick a scape goat for all your sins. Every divorce in your church. Every broken family, well pick some one out their to blame your sins on. Some one to blame every underage pregnacy on. Every rape. I quess you could say it is the fault of every leader in your churches. Warren Jeffs hepls the inacent. He helps the ones being abused. He is an anchor in a troubled sea. He is the light the way. He teaches what Joeseph tought. And every person in the mob that killed the prophet, said they would to God they had been any where else. Thank God for God, and his propmises to the faithful.
Warren needs to turn himself in. The longer it takes to bring him to justice, the more damage will be inflicted on the FLDS and UEP. In fact it could destroy the groups completely he doesn't watch out. Families will be broken up, both men and women sent to jail, babies torn from mother's arms, little or no chance for priesthood. They will be reduced to common folks in the eyes of the Lord....maybe even outcasts and rejected from heaven altogether.
This is not 1953 in which authorities went after polygamy, this is an indictment which includes conspiracy, sexual abuse and child abuse. The public is not going to sympathize this time around...they're going to want hard answers and permanent solutions... even if it means raiding the whole state of Utah. The feds won't send troops to CC, they'll be sending bulldozers.
If he is bold and strong as a true Prophet, he will turn himself in, plea a deal, reduce the impact on his followers. The UEP could reorganize and regain it's strength. Hundreds of families could be spared and maybe even vindicated...the principle will live on. Jeffs will maybe spend a few years in jail but will return. He has God on is his side, faith of his followers...he will return as the greatest prophet of all... unless of course he is a fraud, which might explain why he's on the run.
keep sweet eldorado,
stg
And you would threaten a people as a whole. Eliminate them for your hatred. We did not ask for the public to like us in fifty three. WE did not ask for a raid. Our God defended us then. He will now. Do you think we exist because of good public opinion? We have survived for years on What God gave us, in spite of peoples hatred of us. God will defend us. Would we trade our Lord for your gold? Would we trade our Lord for your flattery? Would we trade our Lord for your money? Would we trade our Lord for your threats? Would we trade our Lord for your charity? We walked and God walked with us. In life or death, We will hold to our Lord. He is the light. He is the way. God will defend the rightouse. In death the righouse go where no man can destroy. In life God does bless, even in diverstiy.
To Anon 12:23
You say that Warren hasn't ripped anybody apart. Then can you honestly say that tonight Allan Steed will go home and find his family all there. The wives whom he loved so dearly, will be there waiting for him, and not in another mans bed. Can you say the same for all of the Barlow Boys, Ron Rohbock, John Nielsen, Dan Wayman, Joseph Steed, and many, many, other good men. No you cant. That is because Warren has sent them away. Married their wives to other men, and had their childrens last name changed to their current fathers last name.
You assume that all of us are not FLDS. There is many of us that are, but we dont agree with what is going on. We are trying to get out with all of our families. YOu also say that Warren is like Joseph Smith and teaches what he taught. Maybe you ought to pick up TPJS and read them. You will find that Warren has nothing that resembles Joseph Smith, and especially our Lord and Savior. If you will remember they faced their accusers. They didnt run and hide like Warren has done. Warren resembles Hitler or Saddam more than Joseph Smith. A lot more.
Ruth,
Why dont you keep your hands off of the keyboard. Every time you type anything you make youself look crazier than we know you already are. You also make Warren look even crazier than he already does. So if you want to do Warren a favor I suggest you keep your mouth shut. YOu do nothing but show the world how nutty all of you faithful are. Before you go on and try to tell us how wicked we are and how righteous you are, remember you are not the judge and Warren is not God, and of course neither am I.
"I will give you a hint. There are those in this church who calculate to be saved by the righteouseness of others. They will miss their mark. They are those who will arrive just as the gate is shut, so in that case you may be shut out: then you will call upon some one, who, by their own faith-fulness, through the mercy of Juses Christ, have entered in through the celestail gate, to come and open it for you: but to do this is not their province. Such will be the fate of those persons who vainly hope to be saved upon the righteousness and through the influence of brother somebody. I forewarn you therefore to cultivate righteousness and faithfulness in yourselfes, which is the only passport into celestial happiness." This is written in the Journal of discorses. volume two. page 132. I do not claim to be a spokesperson for Warren Jeffs. I do not by any means claim to be as he. He is defended by God. I am but a sinner, looking for God to deliver me, from my enamies. It is written in the bible, this is a psalm written in the bible. psalm 69 verse four: they that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: They that would destroy me, being mine enimies wrongfully, are mighty: I do not speak for Warren Jeffs. I speak for me. I love the man.
Warren Jeffs is not a prophet. He is just a man, a sad man. Perhaps he truly believes that God has told him to do the things he has done. Or maybe he knows the truth and he is a deciever, a liar, a wicked leader of innocent people who have fallen for his lies.
Whether or not Warren turns himself in, and whether or not he is captured and put on trial makes absolutely no difference to me. I would like to see a more stable, reasonable, intelligent and spiritual person leading the FLDS. It is disappointing to see what appears to be many families, husbands, wives and children suffer because of Warren Jeffs' insanity.
The perception of most Americans is that polygamists are sexual deviants, perverts, molesters. It is because of people like Warren Jeffs that these negative stereotypes are perpetuated. I know that polygamy can be a higher, more spiritual, form of marriage and bring people closer to God.
I have updated the website again with some photos shot Sunday at 8:30. Nothing going on but I was going north and decided to shoot while flying over. Nice shots of the front of temple.
http://web.sccn2.net/flds/
ENJOY!!..
If Warren was to obey "Gods Law" and lead by example as Jesus did remember: Jesus was persecuted for his beliefs and eventually tortured and crucified on the cross. The big difference is that God revealed to Jesus the events that were going to come to pass and he spent time in prayer and sweat blood over the agony of what was about to come. Jesus faced his persecutors and submitted himself to their authority even tho it was a death sentence and through that divine act we have a chance for salvation and eternal life. My Point: If Warren was indeed a Godly man he would be the example to his followers and submit himself to the authorities. God hates the sin but loves the sinner.
He loves Red Lobster and Olive Garden. Has a taste for the finer things in life. You won't find him at Mc Donalds or Taco Time or living in a trailer or a lower class neighbor hood. Only the best will do.
I've seen him in Wal-mart, but only after midnight
That was a while ago, but he is usually up in the night, can't sleep, wonder why...
I have never seen him driving with his wives, they usually follow behind in a big van.
When I left the Creek, my mother told me "I would rather see you dead than have you leave this priesthood work."
I know, I told my brother this when he left ten years earlier. I was embarrassed to have anyone know that he left. Now I just wish I could tell him I'm sorry.
Now I didn't mean those words literal...I just didn't like the politics. I wanted to brag that our family doesn't have anyone that left (like Richard Allreds or Merril Jessops) but now, I'm glad to be on the outside. At least I can think for my self. No body else is going to make my decisions for me.
How about you? Have you ever said mean things to people when you were on the inside?
hi anonymous 6/21/2005 1:44 AM,
You ought to click over to http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=478298 I'm sure the people there would love to meet you. don't be shy, they can help you with your questions.
Anonymous 6/21/2005 1:44 AM
You said...I just didn't like the politics. I wanted to brag that our family doesn't have anyone that left (like Richard Allreds or Merril Jessops) but now, I'm glad to be on the outside.
So Richard Allred and Merril Jessop are on the outside?
If you think so you have been misinformed.
I had to read it twice, but I think Anonymous 6/21/2005 1:44 AM meant: like Richard Allred and Merril Jessop's families that DID NOT leave.
Hey, anon 6/20/05 2:52 pm, what's this about Joseph Steed being kicked out? I've never heard that before. Is this true? If so, how do you know? When did it happen?
Not Uncle Newel's son Joseph, but David's son Joseph.
Too many people, not enough names.
thankyou MIB your 12:01 post was an intelligent post.
Again I'd like to compare Warren Jeffs to the Prophet Joseph Smith once again to give a little more light on the subject as alot of people were confused, apparently.
What started some of the greatest persecution of Joseph Smith is when The Lord revealed the law of Celestial and Plural Marriage and he began carefully telling some of his closests friends. Heber C. Kimball was one example of many where he(Joseph Smith) asked for there wife in celestial marriage. Read about the account of what happened when Joseph asked for Vilates hand in marriage! And read the account of what happened to Orson Pratt when his wife was Married to The Prophet Joseph Smith while on his mission! The same thing happened to William Law and he was so angry he left and was one of the greatest enemies to The Prophet Joseph Smith. What about Robert D. Foster? The same thing happened. Joseph Smith was doing what the Lord told him to do.
There are many, many accounts of this same thing given that are not given in The History of The Church. Those men that became his worst enemies are what caused the Mayrterdom Of Joseph Smith. And none of it would have happened had he not turned himself in. I know times are different than they were then and the world has come a long way verses then but I have to ask, is the world any better now than it was then? Its what's in someones heart that God looks at. We see many wanting another WACO. There is so much hate and anger. It's all focused on Warren Jeffs.
No one seems to care about Winston B. or Bill R. Or John T. or the Allred group or the Kingstons. What's so funny is that some of his worst enemies were once polygamists themselves that once supported him, that once were supposedly on welfare and supposedly married young girls, are now all the anti-polygamist's best friends!? It's confusing.
We all don't know the whole story and probably will never know but this I do know- That the wheels of God grind slowly. They grind exeedingly fine. With patience he stands waiting and with exactness grinds us all. God Bless Warren S. Jeffs in standing for God's Laws. I refer you to section 132 in the Doctrine and Covenants. See for yourselves...
you need your head examined anon 1:36
To anon 1:36
Do you consider tearing families apart, and marrying your own mothers, and molesting little boys part of Gods law. Warren is guilty of the fist two. It is still undecided if he molested little boys. If he was a man of God why wont he face his accusers. Jesus, and Joseph Smith and Unlce Roy all did. Warren has hid himself like the coward he is. He wont even show up to any of court dates. He has ransacked the UEP, and deserted it in its darkest hour. You are right, the wheels of God grind slowly and exceedingly fine, and Warren like all of us will have to answer for the things we have done. I wouldnt trade Warren places for anything in the world, or the world to come, come judgement day.
Anon 1:36
In your efforts to justify youir belief in Warren you have stretched the truth pretty far. Joseph did not take HCK's wife from him. Joseph had Orson Pratt's wife stay with him through this life. The sealing was only for the hereafter. There was no adultery involved as there has been with Warren. You need to read Section 132 yourself. I would like you to provide references for the rest of these cases you profess happened. The prophet Leroy Johnson told this people the outside world would leave us alone after the '53 raid if we would keep the laws of God. His word has been literally fulfilled. The problems we are haveing now come from the disobedience of the people. Much of this has come from the teachings of Warren. Those who are not being "persecuted" are those more interested in keeping and living the teachings of the prophets.
You are right in declaring you do not know the whole story. But I think it is a feeble attempt by you do deny that Warren is doing things that are not right. Things that are truly repulsive to your nature. You must say you don't know the "whole story" to justify your following of him.
Oops! Lest you misread this OP's wife was to stay with OP for life.
And read the account of Heber C Kimbal, and volaite. Read the story and what the prophet asked them to do. This crusade against Warren Jeffs is just that, A religiouse crusade. He is not guilty of any crimes and the ability of some one to lie about him does not make him guilty.
To Anon 11:55:
If Warren is so innocent, why is he still running?
Well, that was stupid.
OH WILL YOU SHUT UP ALREADY STREET!!!!!
Ditto!!
TiredofStreet
Here is an interesting thing for us all to think about and ponder. If we were all children of our Heavenly Father(known as Father Michael or Adam) here on this earth and we all well number into the billions are we all from one mother or from many mothers? I would like to here comments on this subject as it would interest me greatly.(The population is probably greater there than here for those that have not come to earth yet)Do the heavens live Plural Marriage or not?
I am braindead!
a wise man knows much yet speaks little....A foolish man speaks much yet knows very very little
STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT, STREET!!!
It looks to me like the people of CC have learned a have valuable lesson in the fact that they will not give up there religion. We read history and find that when the government came to take the land away from the saints in Salt Lake City that they gave in and came up with a deal with the government wherein they could keep their land if they gave up plural marriage. Interestingly enough they did and we see the effects- NO PERSECUTION LITERALLY! Go to Salt Lake City and what do you see?
Their women walk the streets as common harlots. Which fulfilled the prophecy of Heber C. Kimball. There was a gay and lesbian parade down the center of town not long ago right next to the LDS Temple! Corruption and Filth and Drunkedness. Killings and kidnappings. But I guess this is just normal now days. No big deal. Just live and try to get gain. Live and party for tomorrow we die type attitude. And it's right there in SLC!! Do you think the people of CC want this or do they want peace. People that dress nice. People that are kind and lift to build another up? Where their youth grow up to be a blessing to the world instead of the cops putting them in for drugs and alchohol. It looks to me like they will stand for goodness and what they believe in. We all have our beliefs, right? I suppose this is a free country is it not? I drive in CC and find that it's a normal community where people work hard to make a living. It's not just be lazy and get on welfare. It's a constant labor to build another up instead of trying to tear down your neighbor. I see fences and houses and children and Fathers and Mothers and vehicles and stores and a people all trying there very best to be a blessing to others. Even those not apart of there faith. I know because I was one of those people that were helped by these people. And maybe what they believe in is a little strange to alot people, so what? I see no one getting harmed.I see children growing up to be hard workers. We don't see anybody really testifying against that lifestyle and if they are they're just a few that got mad. The world can be a better place if we all just mind our business and lift to help another instead of wanting to get revenge. If you really want to blow someone out of the water just return good for evil. The people of CC will do the best they can in every given situation. God bless there leader in all that he does.
Anon 10:40
You have made an excellent effort to whitewash all the wrongs being committed by the people of this community. I cannot read your words without a comment. You say the only complaints are those who got mad. This may be the case with some that are the loudest to speak out. It is certainly not the case with me. I have family there that I have not done any harm to. I have not spoken badly about them. I have not infringed on their rights. We were very close to each other. I chose not to follow Warren's teachings and now I am cast off. The family that is still "in" despises me. I am no longer welcome at their houses. Conversations with them are cold and as impersonal as if I was a traveling salesman. No. I really think they would treat a salesman whom they never met before with more respect than I. I have done nothing to deserve this treatment. I have hung on to the teachings of my parents and the former leaders of this people. And this is my only "sin" for which I am shunned. If you are really an outsider you will never understand the pain and suffering involved in the evils Warren has perpetrated on this community. You are a little too willing to cover everything with a rose colored brush for me to not think you are a Warrenite trying to deceive us all.
Anon 10:40......
Sounds pretty sweet.
But it hasn't been like that in a while.
A few years ago, it was "kind of like the Amish, but without any of the charm".
Now it's "kind of like Berlin, but without any of the good guys".
CAN I ASK A SMALL FAVOR PLEASE?
Can we just for once change the subject. Lets talk about the good in everyone. Leave the polygamous people alone ,Im sickofit. Lets talk about beauty the sky, the mountains, beautiful children,, animals, birds ,flowers ,Trees , Please everyone Lets not have another word about Religious Bigotry and hate. If we have anymore of this Im going to scream.
Lets start a blog about how neat it is to live in Eldorado Texas. I here it is a lovely place. Nice Motels, nice restaurants, Church's,Parks, Nice People, I think I want to visit such a nice place. Everyone please change the subject lets give a hand to the next person that starts a blog about Kindness. In fact lets fine the next person $100.00 who ever continues in this spirit of antaganism payable in cold hard cash. To help continue this blog. I do really mean it. Oh boy I think here goes another wise crake for the next comment. He answered them nothing................Please I beg of you, lets be kind.
Lets quit feeding the fire of Hate. Can we have some Minister help with this site. Lets include a kind thought at least once. All religious bashing is banned.....Please shut this sight down if it continues.
You're out of order. Go sit in a corner.
I have said things that were good in the beginning. I like Texas and Texans. I like Short Creek. The People here are hard working people. They follow a man that teaches them to build a city in a year. Thank you kind people who have taken the time to come and see for yourself, the condition of our city. We are not fighter's. We are builders. Thank you. Every body has trouble in life. every body could make up an excuse to be mad, or rejoice in what God gives them. The ones grumbling are the ones who chose to grumble instead of forgive and Love another. An even them I forgive and pray to God for the welfare of their souls.
Lets give you a $100 for spelling lessons.
Hate, let's talk about hate.
The FLDS Warren Jeff polygamists at the YFZ Land LLC and Shortcreek that are controled are taught to HATE and despise all gentiles and apostates. Some one Correct me correct me please if I am wrong.
They are reading your post and laughing. You do not know who you are dealing with.
Warren's faithful hate all of us who are not a apostate and/or a gentile. GENTILES AND APOSTATES ARE THE DEVIL IN THEIR EYES AND TEACH THIS TO THEIR CHILDREN.
They are lying to you with a smile on their face and as they hand you that cold hard cash you love so much. Those who have done business with them will pay the piper someday. Will you be jolly when they start competing for your business and paycheck?
And dear who ever you are. How would you like your wife and kids look at you and turn the other way PLUS treating you like the walking dead, job taken away, and told you are a devil and to repent from a distance. And I forgot, the wife is given to your brother, father or cousin.
PS-ALL of Warren's faithful are MAJOR BRAINWASHED. It will take years to undo the damage Warren has inflicted.
Notice I refer to the Warren Jeff faithful. Practicing polygamist and those who don't practice in Shortcreek are hard working families trying to work out their salvation because Warren has kicked them out and are being as I write this shun from the community. Is that LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR.
I will quit this blog when Warren is arrested or asks for forgiveness and turns from his evil ways.
And HE QUITS TEACHING HATE and destruction. He is trying to judge and jury.
He can't wait until we are all burned up! How do you feel about September 11, 2001, Warren Jeffs celebrated. Maybe someone from Canada will share this with us.
Please start a new blog...for Ruth, Onthestreet and yourself. No one is forcing you to read this I believe.
Your fined $100.00 pay the cash now or you will be arrested and thrown in a pit of happiness and bliss
I'll pay my $100 fine in fairy dust.
well, Ruth, if you would stop misspelling all your words, maybe we wouldn't know who you are
keep up the mistakes!
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Warren has hoped for the destructions for at least the last 8 or 10 years. Now with the situation that he is in, he has to have the destructions to get out of the mess that he is in. Hate group, yes the FLDS is a hate group. In their minds they are the chosen people. They are the only ones on earth the Lord cares about. THey are the only ones who are going to make it to Heaven. They despise all African Americans, gentiles and more than anybody, apostates. We have been told over the pulpit in years past to pray for the destuctions to come. Pray that the Lord will handle this person or that person, that is fighting against the prophet. Some of the elders have had prayer cirlces praying for someone to die. So an answer to the question, Warren does rejoice in the destructions, he has talked about them for a long long time. I guess I shouldnt say that all FLDS are haters, but Warren sure is and so are most of his devoted followers.
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OH GOOD LORD, RUTH!
Go talk about the flowers and the birds and the bees with your "Lord Warren"
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen! And if you don't like the topic, GET OFF THE BLOG!
Hey pilot! Is that a fire engine I see in the upper LH Corner of the temple picture? And if so, where do you suppose it came from? Perhaps one of the twin cities (CC/H) "donated" it? Maybe the state auditors oughtta be checking out the cities' books as well as the schools!
everyone is cleaning their yards up in Canada, maybe warren is hiding up there at Jimmy's place.
Warren has a bodyguard with him continually and they have automatic and semi-automatic weapons (thanks to Willy Jessop and Sam Roundy Jr.) that are not registered. They pack alot of heat.
So much for not believing in guns. Everyone else get rid of the guns except for those I say.
Just curious how you know about the guns. Are you somewhere near the top of the food chain there to be able to SEE the guns or are you just speculating or repeating rumors? Really. I'm not trying to accuse you of anything; I'm just trying to establish if we have someone on the "in" leaking some pertinent info.
You may pay your fine in squeeky cheese.
I really want cheese right now!
Straight Shot says,
If you google news stories or go onto some of the site that are posting the news stories you will find that there is a story about Willie Jessop and guns. He was trying to get into Canada with ammunition, guns and empty semi-automatic rifle clips.
Anyone who knows him or has heard about him know that he brags about his gun collections. The Canada customs tried every way to stop him from entering Canada but all his ammunition was legal, so were the guns they could find, and it isn't illegal to bring the empty clips across.
Actually more relavent to the the point is that from the early seventies when the Bloody Lebaron group asasinated Dr. Allred who was the leader of the Allred group, the Apostles, or Trustees of the UEP have traveled with armed body gaurds. They didn't travel with as many of these gaurds until the eighties during and after the "split".
I know that when Sam Barlow travelled with them he was always one of the body gaurds. Most of the Meeting houses from Canada to Texas are built with special entries for the profits and their body guards.
There is no way that Warren Jeffs would be travelling without a small army of armed body gaurds - a couple of them might be Willie Jessops ages but the rest would be young men.
So much for a profit who is "strong in the Lord and can be protected by a pillar of fire like Moses." That was the saying in the good old days of the group -- "that the time would come when the Lord would send a pillar of fire to protect the profit and the saints again."
My country for a pillar of fire!!
God save us all.
I have actually saw a few guns, (Willy Jessop has a big gun safe) heard them talk about a lot more. We went up behind the radio station at the time and shot them.
To anonymous 6\23\2005 3:50 pm
Concerning sept.11,2001
One staunch warrenite lady I know was discussing the recent(at the time) destruction of the twin towers in New York and all the people trapped in the buildings dying and said,"It serves them right,Uncle Warren says this is part of the Lords destructions upon the wicked and soon the rest of the wicked in this nation will also be destroyed as well.Only the more righteous among us will be lifted up and saved."
The words and the callous way she said them made me sick to my stomach because these are human lifes we are talking about.Those who died that day,every one,had loved ones at home that missed them terribly and were devastated at the senseless loss.What about those brave souls who willingly put themselfs in harms way and in some cases paid the price of their lives to help complete strangers in need.
Those people are living a higher law of love than we are currently taught ,now that warren has taken over our church.Now in the flds that kind of love is normally reserved only for those who serve and obey warren.
The way she was talking about the people caught in the inferno of the towers is the way I would talk about killing a kitten with a terrible disease,a mercy killing.
That kind of thinking is not the way it used to be in this flds work.The warrenites appear to be going through a paradigm shift that doesn't seem to express the true love of God as I was taught as a youngster.This lack of emotion towards death and destruction is a little scary.
They are yearning for the end.
Nameless and still alive.
To Nameless and Still Alive:
Your observations are so true. The goodness and innocence that once was has been severely corrupted by the Jeff's regime.
Will there be any goodness left after the FLDS debacle? I think there will be--But a huge crime has been committed by a psychopath against a credulous and naive people . . . It must end and the healing must begin . . .
gbnf: you are killing me with suspense, who is Kathleen and how do you know who street really is. man you gotta tell the peanut gallery!!!!
thank you Hardheaded...The peanut gallery is now up to speed :)
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