Wednesday, March 23, 2005

Welcome Sergeant Friday

Texas Polygamy Weblog welcomes Sergeant Friday as a regular contributor.

51 comments:

Confused Cowboy said...

Whoa now! Leave town for a few days and look at all these posts!

Hey Sarge, are you the cop from Utah that lost his badge yesterday?

Sergeant Friday said...

Not Hardly, Native Texan interested in only the facts of the matter.

Native Texan said...

Sergeant friday,

I would like to understand all of it. That's why I'm here. I guess I err a little on the factual side because I feel it's a good place to start...since I'm on the outside it's all I have to go on. Some of us are afraid of what we don't understand - the facts are pretty disturbing to me personally. Please tell me what you think I should know in order to gain a more rounded understanding.

thanks,
nt

Sergeant Friday said...

There is a lot of hype and controversy that surrounds this group, if you go on the internet or follow what the activist groups have to say it will scare you to death. Fact is that this group has been around since the 1800's and is a well established "religious" group or sect. The church was founded by Joseph Smith, who practiced Polygamy and some speculate that he was murdered for this reason, the practice of polygamy was continued and advocated when Brigham Young became the next president of the LDS church and this continued until 1890 when church president Wilford Woodruff presented church members with a document known as the "manifesto" and told church members to refrain from any marriage forbidden by the laws of the land. This was based on law that was passed in Utah banning the practice of polygamy. This is where the church split occurred and the Fundamentalist LDS church emerged and continued practicing polygamy or celestial marriage in secret. And this practice continues to this day. The heat is on in Utah and Arizona and there has been a recent crack down on the FLDS I believe forcing them out of that area. Does this group pose any kind of threat, speculation is yes they are lined up to be another "Waco" fact is that this group has never displayed violent acts toward law enforcement, arrests made within the group have been uneventful EG: 1953 the Utah state police preformed a raid on Colorado City Utah (then known as "Short Creek") the group received a tip of the impending raid and was found gathered in the church singing and history shows that families were tore apart , kids taken away from their moms and shipped to foster homes and men imprisoned, this was all done without violence from the FLDS group. You read about a murder that took place of a mother and child in the name of God as a "blood atonement" for there sins, this was done by a split off group from the FLDS known as the Laffertys , the group we are dealing with has not committed blood atonements although the speculation is that they are capable, facts have not shown this as there has been no reports are arrests in this matter. This group believes that they will reach the highest celestial kingdom only when they have obtained three or more wives and this is a very sacred belief to them, this does not jive with our way of thinking nor does it conform to mainstream Christian beliefs but you have to understand that these people were raised under this belief system with limited exposure to the outside world so this is all they know. On the surface they appear to family oriented, hard working people devoted to their religion they do have a history of underage marriage, family violence and incest depends on which sect your dealing with to know which is on the more extreme side. Any population of people will have a percentage of family violence , incest etc. This group is no different and the fact is there are loving homes within this community , upper end as well as lower end families. I could go on and on but maybe this will give you the just of the facts as I know them.

Native Texan said...

Sergeant Friday,

This group is fascinating to me for many reasons. Thanks for adding to and diversifying my information. You have a perspective that's unique it seems. If you don't mind my asking, how do you know so much about this group?

nt

Sergeant Friday said...

As Sergeant Joe Friday says on Drag Net "Just the facts, Ma'am" And that is what I am interested in only the facts because its real easy to throw speculation at a group thats such an easy target. I have gone to great lengths to learn the facts about this group and I have along journey ahead of me.

Native Texan said...

Sergeant friday,

The facts are interesting enough, no? I will be anxious to hear your input about this topic.

nt

Anonymous said...

he is one of them and he is only telling you what Warren wants you to know. Friday is a plant.

Sergeant Friday said...

A plant, huh?
Well that just goes to show you how fast somebody can SPECULATE without knowing the facts!
If you research the history on this group you will find the exact information I have just shared.

Anonymous said...

Hey Sarge, I also suspected you were a plig plant. Now I'm sure of it.

rb

Anonymous said...

What is one of "them"? Are "them" not citizens of the United States that deserve equal treatment under the law or are you one of those nazi minded people that felt "them" Jews needed to be exterminated. Good bad or indifferent we are all Gods children no matter race, color, creed or belief. Lets keep an open mind and deal with the problems at hand not sling prejudism against a group because of who they are.
tj

Sergeant Friday said...

You can believe what ever you wish as I know the facts at hand, if you want to believe I am one of them than feel free to believe that way. My goal is to keep the facts straight as I know them and its not based on fundamentalist beliefs but the facts that surround the Texas Ranch and the History of this group (thats available to anyone willing to do the research)

Anonymous said...

"Plig Plant"!! ha-ha

oh I'm dieing here....ROFLMA

stg

Anonymous said...

Nah, SF isnt a plig plant. SF is a wannabe cop who soak up the crap that oozes out of Sherff Smith & Doran.

Anonymous said...

Sergeant friday,
I don't think you are one of "them". If you were you would know that they really do not believe they will qualify for the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom simply by having three or more wives. That is a misconception about "them". Anyone who claims a belief in the fundamental teachings of the Mormon faith knows that the perfection of a person's character is what qualifies him for the Celestial Kingdom, not the number of wives. Heber C. Kimball, one of the early leaders, said he would go into the Celestial Kingdom wifeless and childless if necessary. Believe me, if there was a place in the celestial kingdom for some slob who had three wives and abused them, that place would hold no charms for me. Another misunderstanding about "them" is their limited exposure to the outside world and that all they know is what they are taught. I grew up in one of the prominent families of Colorado City. We were well aware of other religions and cultures. The things our parents tried to limit our exposure to was the depravity in the world around us. We had access to radios, some TV, magazines and newspapers. We did not have a movie theater but movies were brought into the community for entertainment. We knew the popular songs, styles and trends of the day, contrary to popular belief. We were just taught that some things did not lend to good character building or a wholesome environment. I can't speak for everyone of "them" but that is my experience. Much of what I see happening to the followers of Warren is off the deep end if you ask me.

Sergeant Friday said...

Wow try to come in with a nonbiased view and get hammered.....But I do have to LMAO on the pligplant tho..............

Sergeant Friday said...

4:10
Crap oozes from Sheriff Smith and Doran? Where did that come from? And yes I always wanted to be a cop but my "polygamous Lifestyle" hindered that.LOL

Sergeant Friday said...

4:45
Thanks for your insight.
fair and balanced

Anonymous said...

Sergeant Friday,

I am amazed that a stranger could be so correct that he would be called a "Plig plant". Those who call you this are Ex Members who know what you say is true. Thus they speculate that the only way you could know this is because your one of them yourself. I can tell that you have picked a good alias. I can tell that you have also done your research. I was thinking of leaving this blog because when I speak the truth all @&!! breaks loose and every lie that can be fabricated is. I hope that those who are sincere like you can get the truth and not be washed away with lies.

Sincerely,

Faithful

Sergeant Friday said...

Thanks Faithful, you stay here and continue with your input, I have found that the truth and facts of a situation are always not the most popular thing but hype and facts need to be sorted through.

Antique Mormon said...

Hey Sergeant Friday. Plig plant or not, and I don't believe that you are, the raid of 1953 was done by the State of Arizona, not Utah, on the community of Short Creek, Arizona. Those are the facts Serg. Now let's have an apology, sir!

Anonymous said...

The Facts: Utah was involve. A picture printed in a newspaper showed a picture of the officers standing by the fence to the school yard. In the back ground was standing the attorney generals of both states. Study the case of Vera Black. Utah took her children and a court battle ensued. Utah gave here children back and left the polygamy issue alone because the United Nations threatened to boycott the United States over the problem. They demanded that Utah give those children back. When you consider that over 60% of the nations in this world live polygamy and 90% allow it, You can understand why.

Anonymous said...

United Nations? We don't care what the UN thinks. Besides, the laws of gravity don't even apply here in Texas.

Anonymous said...

To 3:10:

Then why stay here in the US? Why not go where your lifestyle is supported and applauded? Africa has some openings....oh yeah, too many black people there.

Anonymous said...

Faithful,You haven't really refuted very many of what you are calling lies.You are pretty good at smoke and mirrors though.If something is not true,tell us and give us the chance to weigh the evidence in the balance and make an informed decision.

Sergeant Friday said...

Apologies given Antique Mormon and your right, my research says Arizon State Police and I have some photos of the raid........guess I had Utah on the brain, AYE!

Anonymous said...

It's nice to see that someone actually wants to know the truth. Thank you Sgt. Friday. After all even a woodpecker owes hjs success to the fact that he uses his head

Anonymous said...

SEARGENT FRIDAY, I ALSO AM IMPRESSED WITH YOU. I WAS BEING ABUSED IN MY COMUNITY IN COLORADO CITY. I RAN AWAY FROM THESE ABUSER'S. I WENT TO TEXAS. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THESE TEXAN COPS' THEY DID TREAT ME LIKE A LADY. MY SITUATION IS NOT THE NORMAL, IN MY COMUNITY, THO. I SPENT THREE MONTH'S RECOUPERATING FROM THESE OTHER MEN'S ABUSE. I WAS SO ASOUNDED AT THE TEXAS, GENERAL ATMOSPHER, AND THE CURTISY OF THE PEOPLE. I AT SOME POINT STARTED WRITING TO WARREN JEFFS, AND TOLD HIM ABOUT THE KINDNESS, AND CURTIOUSY OF TEXAN'S. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ABUSING ME, CALLED TEXAS, AND I WAS PICKED UP THE FIRST NIGHT, AND PUT INTO A MENTAL HOSPITAL. HE HAD TOLD THEM I WAS TOLALY MENTALY ILL, NOT CAPABLE OF TAKING CARE OF MYSELF. WELL THESE TEXAS COPS RESTORED MY FAITH IN HUMANITY. I BEGAN WRITING TO WARREN JEFFS. HE TOLD ME HE WOULD BUILD ME A RANCH. HE SAID PICK A SPOT. I CAME HOME. HE BEGAN TO BUILD. I AM STILL WRITING TO HIM. I AM IN NO CONDITION TO LIVE WITH A MAN, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE OF THIS OTHER ABUSE. WARREN JEFFS DID HELP STOP THIS ABUSE. I OWE HIM MY LIFE. I LOVE HIM INCREDABLY, AS THE MOST PRECIOUSE GIFT IS FREEDOM. I READ THIS POST AND WAS DEEPLY TOUCHED WITH GRADITUDE FOR YOUR STATE. I KNEW YOU WERE NOT A PLANT, AS ONE SAID, FOR THE REASON, THAT WE BELIEVE IN THE BOOK OF MORMAN. I HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF HAVING TO HAVE THREE WIFES, UNTIL I WAS AROUND PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO BRIBE ME TO LIE IN COURT AGAINST WARREN JEFFS. WE BELIEVE JUST WHAT YOU SAID. IT IS A MATTER OF CHARACHTER, THAT QUALIFYS YOU FOR HEAVEN. I LIKE TEXAN'S ESPECIALLY COP'S OR RANGER'S OR WHAT YOU CALL YOUR POLICE. THEY ARE GENTLEMEN

Native Texan said...

11:55,

Please listen to what I say. The fact that this community practices plural marriage is no secret to anyone on the outside, so you can give up the charade.

Also, someone should tell you the truth about salvation before it's too late. Character doesn't qualify you for heaven. Realizing that you can never earn a spot in heaven on your own is a good start. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23. But don't worry, there is good news in the next verse. "and are justified freely by His grace through the redeption that came by Christ Jesus." Romans 3:24

Quit trying to earn your spot in Heaven. Warren Jeffs isn't able to help you with that no matter what he claims. It states in the Bible that "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart truns away from the Lord." Jeremiah 17:5

After you realize that you have sinned, can be forgiven only by believing that Christ was the one and only Son of God (John 3:16), who came to this earth to die for your sins, and is the only one with the power to save you and forgive you of your sins, you will experience true freedom.

My guess is that once you read a little scripture, you'll realize Warren Jeffs doesn't even figure in to the salvation equation.

I'll be praying for your salvation and FREEDOM!!

God bless you,
Native Texan

may said...

I can tell you have not read much scripture. It is written, men will be punished for their own sin's. Yes we are all sinner's, but if you think that any one can go to heaven, no matter what you do, you are in all the heaven you will ever know. Jesus died, so we could be reserected. When you come forth in the next life, you are still what you are. I do not supose, I will dwell forever with a murder. Heaven is a state of mind. Hell also is a state of mind. It is a person's own quilt that does bring sorrow, and misery. It is quilt of a person's sin's, that cause him sorrow. I see you are one of "those people who judge unfairly." I am not trying to get into Warren Jeffs good graces so I can go to heaven. I am already in his good graces. He did help stop abuse, of other's to me. I love him. It is no secret, that the people in my culture, live celestial marraige. I came from a five generation of celestial marraige, participants. My great, great, great grandfather, came from England, to america for religiouse freedom. The Boston tea party was fought, and we won the war. It is said, that history reapeat's itself. I am wondering why there is this battle going on again. If you people make a law against a person because of their religion, you have made a law against yourself. That is why we have government law, that say's the same thinkg as our law. The right to the persute of hppiness, all protected under the law. I intend to marry Warren Jeffs. I am not ashamed of this matter. I was born and raised in my culture. This is my life. I knew rulon Jeffs. I loved both him,and his son. I love them both encredably. What about you? Do you do any thing, besides critazise people for their culture?

may said...

I can tell you have not read much scripture. It is written, men will be punished for their own sin's. Yes we are all sinner's, but if you think that any one can go to heaven, no matter what you do, you are in all the heaven you will ever know. Jesus died, so we could be reserected. When you come forth in the next life, you are still what you are. I do not supose, I will dwell forever with a murder. Heaven is a state of mind. Hell also is a state of mind. It is a person's own quilt that does bring sorrow, and misery. It is quilt of a person's sin's, that cause him sorrow. I see you are one of "those people who judge unfairly." I am not trying to get into Warren Jeffs good graces so I can go to heaven. I am already in his good graces. He did help stop abuse, of other's to me. I love him. It is no secret, that the people in my culture, live celestial marraige. I came from a five generation of celestial marraige, participants. My great, great, great grandfather, came from England, to america for religiouse freedom. The Boston tea party was fought, and we won the war. It is said, that history reapeat's itself. I am wondering why there is this battle going on again. If you people make a law against a person because of their religion, you have made a law against yourself. That is why we have government law, that say's the same thinkg as our law. The right to the persute of hppiness, all protected under the law. I intend to marry Warren Jeffs. I am not ashamed of this matter. I was born and raised in my culture. This is my life. I knew rulon Jeffs. I loved both him,and his son. I love them both encredably. What about you? Do you do any thing, besides critazise people for their culture?

Anonymous said...

I can tell you have not read much scripture. It is written, men will be punished for their own sin's. Yes we are all sinner's, but if you think that any one can go to heaven, no matter what you do, you are in all the heaven you will ever know. Jesus died, so we could be reserected. When you come forth in the next life, you are still what you are. I do not supose, I will dwell forever with a murder. Heaven is a state of mind. Hell also is a state of mind. It is a person's own quilt that does bring sorrow, and misery. It is quilt of a person's sin's, that cause him sorrow. I see you are one of "those people who judge unfairly." I am not trying to get into Warren Jeffs good graces so I can go to heaven. I am already in his good graces. He did help stop abuse, of other's to me. I love him. It is no secret, that the people in my culture, live celestial marraige. I came from a five generation of celestial marraige, participants. My great, great, great grandfather, came from England, to america for religiouse freedom. The Boston tea party was fought, and we won the war. It is said, that history reapeat's itself. I am wondering why there is this battle going on again. If you people make a law against a person because of their religion, you have made a law against yourself. That is why we have government law, that say's the same thinkg as our law. The right to the persute of hppiness, all protected under the law. I intend to marry Warren Jeffs. I am not ashamed of this matter. I was born and raised in my culture. This is my life. I knew rulon Jeffs. I loved both him,and his son. I love them both encredably. What about you? Do you do any thing, besides critazise people for their culture?

Anonymous said...

I can tell you have not read much scripture. It is written, men will be punished for their own sin's. Yes we are all sinner's, but if you think that any one can go to heaven, no matter what you do, you are in all the heaven you will ever know. Jesus died, so we could be reserected. When you come forth in the next life, you are still what you are. I do not supose, I will dwell forever with a murder. Heaven is a state of mind. Hell also is a state of mind. It is a person's own quilt that does bring sorrow, and misery. It is quilt of a person's sin's, that cause him sorrow. I see you are one of "those people who judge unfairly." I am not trying to get into Warren Jeffs good graces so I can go to heaven. I am already in his good graces. He did help stop abuse, of other's to me. I love him. It is no secret, that the people in my culture, live celestial marraige. I came from a five generation of celestial marraige, participants. My great, great, great grandfather, came from England, to america for religiouse freedom. The Boston tea party was fought, and we won the war. It is said, that history reapeat's itself. I am wondering why there is this battle going on again. If you people make a law against a person because of their religion, you have made a law against yourself. That is why we have government law, that say's the same thinkg as our law. The right to the persute of hppiness, all protected under the law. I intend to marry Warren Jeffs. I am not ashamed of this matter. I was born and raised in my culture. This is my life. I knew rulon Jeffs. I loved both him,and his son. I love them both encredably. What about you? Do you do any thing, besides critazise people for their culture?

Anonymous said...

I can tell you have not read much scripture. It is written, men will be punished for their own sin's. Yes we are all sinner's, but if you think that any one can go to heaven, no matter what you do, you are in all the heaven you will ever know. Jesus died, so we could be reserected. When you come forth in the next life, you are still what you are. I do not supose, I will dwell forever with a murder. Heaven is a state of mind. Hell also is a state of mind. It is a person's own quilt that does bring sorrow, and misery. It is quilt of a person's sin's, that cause him sorrow. I see you are one of "those people who judge unfairly." I am not trying to get into Warren Jeffs good graces so I can go to heaven. I am already in his good graces. He did help stop abuse, of other's to me. I love him. It is no secret, that the people in my culture, live celestial marraige. I came from a five generation of celestial marraige, participants. My great, great, great grandfather, came from England, to america for religiouse freedom. The Boston tea party was fought, and we won the war. It is said, that history reapeat's itself. I am wondering why there is this battle going on again. If you people make a law against a person because of their religion, you have made a law against yourself. That is why we have government law, that say's the same thinkg as our law. The right to the persute of hppiness, all protected under the law. I intend to marry Warren Jeffs. I am not ashamed of this matter. I was born and raised in my culture. This is my life. I knew rulon Jeffs. I loved both him,and his son. I love them both encredably. What about you? Do you do any thing, besides critazise people for their culture?

Anonymous said...

HA HA HA! That was a good one! It's amazing the power of this barainwashing machine Warren has! HA HA HA!

Anonymous said...

Holy Taledo! This person that types in all caps should be put back in the insane asyllum! A dog could put your trust back in humanity as well as Warren did! Your mind is so shallow already that you were an easy one to convince that he is "GOD"!

Anonymous said...

Dear May,

You have misunderstood my position. Let me elaborate. When I quote Romans 3:23, "all have sinned", I am including myself in that catagory. You must realize that I am quoting God's Word. I am not making this stuff up. I know you have sinned because God says we have ALL sinned. I don't mean that as a slam because I am also guilty according to God's Word.

I wouldn't dare judge your sins because God's Word says, "Judge not, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:2-1.

God's Word says that our works cannot get us to Heaven. ("For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works lest anyone should boast." Ephesians 2:8) That was my whole point. We cannot earn salvation no matter how hard we try. I know I will spend eternity in Heaven because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord. This is necessary according to God's Word: "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10.

Native Texan said...

Dear May,

You have misunderstood my position. Let me elaborate. When I quote Romans 3:23, "all have sinned", I am including myself in that catagory. You must realize that I am quoting God's Word. I am not making this stuff up. I know you have sinned because God says we have ALL sinned. I don't mean that as a slam because I am also guilty according to God's Word.

I wouldn't dare judge your sins because God's Word says, "Judge not, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:2-1.

God's Word says that our works cannot get us to Heaven. ("For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works lest anyone should boast." Ephesians 2:8) That was my whole point. We cannot earn salvation no matter how hard we try. I know I will spend eternity in Heaven because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord. This is necessary according to God's Word: "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10.

May, this is great news for all of us. We cannot earn our salvation here on this earth. Only God can offer us eternal life through the death, burial, and ressurection of His Son Jesus. All we have to do is confess and believe. After that, we can enjoy a life of knowing and experiencing Him.

I do not know Warren Jeffs personally. If what they say is true about him having at least 25 wives, then I think you're selling yourself short in marrying this fellow - I don't care what he says about being God's mouthpiece. We are all God's mouthpiece if we share the gospel.

May, pick up a Bible (it doesn't matter what translation as long as it's the Holy Bible and you can understand the words) and read Romans. If I am wrong, nothing is lost. If I am right, you have lost everything!

Very sincerely,
Native Texan

Anonymous said...

I believe already what you wrote. I am glad you posted back. I know that with out God you would not have been born. YOu would not even move if he did not allow you too. I know he wrote the book. I know he came to offer salvation and life for us all. we all have weaknesses, and streanths. Jesus's law is simple. he has counsled all to do good works. he said he gave to men talents, to build on. he himself came as a perfect example. he gave his life for us all. he gave his life so we could live. how many are willing to do this? If a person thinks they can do any type of sin and not pay the consiquence he is mistaken. It is written, Leave judgement to me, sayeth the Lord of hosts, for it is mine. He knows things from this world and the world before this. he knows the world ahead of us. we are the one with partial knowledge. we all have weaknesses and streanths. if we tear down anothers streanth, we have weakened the whole.

Anonymous said...

EXACTLY!!!! I am so glad you know this, for now we can get on with a subject that I would like to hear your opinion on. You agree that God said leave judgement to Me, right? ok then, why has your beloved "profit" Warren taken it upon himself to judge people and not even give them a reason why he has taken all that they have? This I am dying to hear.

Native Texan said...

May,

Regarding your 3:11 post, I can feel passion and a desire to please God in every word you communicate. For this I am thankful and will pray for you in the upcoming difficult times. I will pray for your wisdom and strength. I will pray for God's guidance and a trustworthy person with which you can share this passion. You seem to be such a precious person. I don't want to see your spirit crushed by someone who cannot experience you fully, do you know what I mean? You, my friend, were not meant to share a man or be shared by him. You are enough for any man, I can tell!

I am not a Mormon (as you can probably see), let alone a member of the FLDS. I do know it is God's desire that we all know Him and enjoy the power He gives us all. In addition, His peace, grace, mercy, and perfect love are ours for the asking. I will pray fervently that you continue being passionate and searching to know God. He will not disappoint you!

Love in Christ,
Native Texan

ps: the above post is not me in case you're wondering.

Anonymous said...

I thank you texan's for your curtisy. This is why I liked Texas, When I visted your state. I will tell you this: I have never heard Warren Jeffs judge a person. To my knowledge, A true prophet, of God, only tells a person the path they are on. Some of these people become offended. Maybe some misunderstood. I was married to a man, I walked in on molesting my daughter. I left him that day. Rulon Jeffs and Warren Jeffs protected me. Talking to this man, I lived with, he would never tell you this, but I know he did this, and so does he. This is why the Lord is presiouse to me. He said he has a place prepared for this kind of people. They will no longer be able to hurt any one again. I know that Warren Jeffs is not quilty as he was charged. I do not know why, his brother is so disagreeable. His Father offered it to all of them. He offered every thing, he had to all these people. I know, that when I talk to the ones who are angry, they cross there storys. I will not name names. I hope they all succede. I can only make an assesment on what I do know. I know Warren offered me freedom, from very abusive men. I think if there is a women who does not want to stay with her husband, there must be some reason. I know women who have stayed with there husband. These people said warren was cruel, and then they said he did not cast them off. When I asked them about this, they become offended. They had a home, and were trying to kick, there brother from his. The Brother moved. This left the squabblers with no fight. I hope they can be peaceable and love one another. I feel like there is enough in the world to sustain us all. A lot of these people who squabble, do so over leadership. I have nothing against this for them. I hope they find ten thousand people who love them, too. They however will not stop us from loveing who we want to. After all this is Jesuses law. LOVE of fellow men.

Anonymous said...

your last word, notice, is MEN. not MAN. God said to love ALL.

Anonymous said...

To Native texan: In stating a verse or two to prove your point, I would ask that you consider further. Reading on you will find that character is talked about and also a love for Christ. To be forgiven by grace you have to have a perfect love for Christ which is charity. To have a perfect love you have to love what Christ loves. This is the character you talk about. Man will stand or fall by their love for Christ. If they do wrong and they know they have done wrong, then they did not love Christ, and they do not have a character that will satisfy the demands of justice.

Native Texan said...

8:35,

Thank you for your response.

Love for Christ, loving Christ, charity, and character follow accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior, but are not precursers for receiving salvation (where did you find this in scripture??).

To claim that one must be worthy of grace suggests a lack of understanding of the word "grace". Grace - the freely given, unmerited favor of God (Webster's dictionary). If we had to prove ourselves worthy by all the things you listed, then would salvation be freely given or unmerited, as God says it is (once again, Ephesians 2:8)?

I was kind enough to quote scripture to make my point. If you disagree about the plan of salvation, why not reference some verses to make your point as well? If I am mistaken in my understanding of scripture - if I should in fact be working harder to earn God's grace and my spot in Heaven, I would like to see it in God's Word, the authority on such matters. Thankfully we do not have to take our direction from one another - otherwise the rules would be constantly changing!

Anonymous said...

hey 10:33 anonymous. If You were not a girl Warren wouldn't be even remotely interested in helping You out. Yea like He would welcome more competition for mating rights into His Texas compound. Write Him a letter and tell Him your name is Fred or George and then sit by your mailbox and wait for him to welcome You with open arms. Better bring a little food and water.

Anonymous said...

hey 10:33 anonymous. If You were not a girl Warren wouldn't be even remotely interested in helping You out. Yea like He would welcome more competition for mating rights into His Texas compound. Write Him a letter and tell Him your name is Fred or George and then sit by your mailbox and wait for him to welcome You with open arms. Better bring a little food and water.

Anonymous said...

very true, very true.

Anonymous said...

To 10:57::: I wonder if you weren't the dog who posted that blog. Lies will become You!!!!(refering to 11:55 PM)

Found Lost Boy said...

Ya, I guess I could be that dog, but It would be a compliment, for then I'd be the dog that put faith back in humanity, and all dogs go to heaven!(figure of speech of coarse) What lies have I told? please, enlighten me! I'm afraid you just know that what I say is the truth, and you don't want to admit to yourself that you have been following blindly for the last 4 or five years. God will judge me for all the wrong I have done, and I will gladly accept that. So please, give me concrete proof that I speak a lie, and I will stand corrected and repent before the Lord our Savior.

Anonymous said...

To Native Texan. I like your way of thinking. I'm a mormon fundamentalist. (Notice I didn't say FLDS) However, I too believe that Christ loves all of his children regardless of what or how they worship.