I am pretty sure we all agree on this one- the evidence of a Higher Power. (Except maybe a few.)
Durring the times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you. ~Footprints in the Sand
Master, the Tempest is Raging~ Hymn
These are a few things that come to mind for me. Any thoughts or expierences that anyone has on this subject would be welcome here. I also thought it would be nice, because Easter is right around the corner.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 212 of 212You just can't help yourself can you Muggsey?
There is just something about Mormonism, and it's founder that circumvents all your Christianity.
I think it's obvious to everyone but you what your real problem is.
Congratulations, anon. Life is easier when you understand where muggsey's coming from. In short, if Jesus Christ himself appeared and told muggsey it was all true, he still wouldn't believe it. Guess that's why He appeared to Joseph Smith instead.
"A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible"
folks,I believe,based on my own limited experience,that people who really understand the truth about something,wont usually argue about it with someone who dose not. they will exchange Ideas, but not fight. it seems pointless to argue with someone who is set in there ways,and have no pressing reason to change. all honest people who realize they don't know it all,and are constantly seeking truth, will eventually find it.
uncaduff
ya know uncaduff,
If your logic applies one way than it equally applies the other way. I stand upon that which I believe, as do millions of others worldwide.
My faith is not in a church, a priesthood, but in the living person of Jesus Christ WHO SAVED ME FROM ALL MY SIN PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. If you don't like my testimony quit trying to contest my faith.
As far as I am concerned, your religion is not Christian and was founded by a fraud. That fraud did his work under the influence of his father the devil who still is the chief personality, although in disguise of those who follow the Mormon Religion. I call it a religion because it is something that you can put on, take off, take up again, and do YOUR WILL.
Christianity is not a Religion. It is a way of life, a life of committment to serve a Risen Savior, who died in my place on Calvary's cross as Payment in Full for All my Sin.
If you will swallow your desire to be your own God, ask for forgivness, trust Christ and walk with HIM IN FAITH you too can have the assurance that I hold to.
My Creator, Redeemer, High Priest, and King has promised that I am kept in my Father's hand, and NOTHING can remove me from that place. I believe and I am SAVED, FOREVER!
muggs, I have been on both sides of this conflict between mormonisim and Christianity,so I understand and respect your views more than you know. however, it seems futile to get upset at others who don't see eye to eye with us on things as ambiguous as religious belief, as every group has has its own,and all are certain that they are right. I maintain that the truth comes to those who seek it for its own sake, and as they find it "here a little and there a little" they have less desire to argue with others over what is truth and what is not.
uncaduff.
Thanx uncaduff for your candor,
I understand your viewpoint perhaps better than you think. I am a believer in a system of faith, grace and then works. I hold in high regard those who live moral, upright lives, who obey the laws of the land knowing that we cannot survive without law and order. Despotism, or an oligarchy of individuals who rise within an organization, not because of merit, but as the result of who's rear-end they pucker-up to. I do not trust either those nor those who would oppress their orders as the "final say" regarding worship of My Lord, nor, by-the-way, funneling ALL tithes and offerings through their sticky-greedy hands, who are not required to give an accounting to anyone but themselves.
I believe in autonomy. The leaders of the congregation are responsible for candor, honor, clarity of teaching, and advised and reasonable leadership.
When we escape priest-papacy-parish concepts of what constitutes worship of Christ we are not allowing Christ to work in our lives. We are simply attempting to impress our siblings and peers by our own behavior, in relationship to the established rules of order, as decided by those at the top of the oligarchial ladder.
Preach the Word, share your testimony, be honorable in your dealings with mankind, stand for what you believe and are convicted to be right and just. Above all, our Hope for Glory Cannot lie within ourselves but only in God through Jesus Christ, as HE may only be reveiled through the Holy Spirit. Three in ONE, ONE in THREE.
I may not impress anyone with my logic. I don't feel cursed by tht fact. I firmly believe allowing you or anyone else to worship God according to the dictates of your concience. My concern comes from reading incidents described upon this blog, and others, where the system has purposefully ruined the lives of those whom have placed belief in all that the system has told them. I've said enough perhaps, for now, (several would agree that I had fulfilled my lifetime quota with my very first post as "mugwump" about three years ago. If my retoric scalds, perhaps it is coming pretty close to flesh having been made raw by you or someone else being mistreated or denied the blessings of family by some demonic deluded member of the priesthood council or one of his over-lords. Nuf sed.
tbm
You finally got it right! There never was nor can there ever be any more Bible.
Authority??
Rev. 22: 6, 7, 10-20
5:15 11:22
Ha! you wish!!!
"Authority?? Rev. 22: 6, 7, 10-20"
OH MY GOSH!!!! MY TESTIMONY IS DESTROYED!!!!!! THE MORMONS ARE SO FALSE!!!!!!!!
TBM turns to Bible for solace
Oh, what have we here? Deuteronomy 4:2: "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Well, I guess we're all wrong. Time for us all to convert to Judaism!
Really Muggsey! Did you honestly imigine no Mormon ever thought of that one before? I figured you were smarter than that. If you studied the Bible as well as Mormons do, you'd be aware your verses refer to the book of Revelations, not the whole Bible.
tbm
My hope has been answered, are you the one for which we have been waiting? I furnished the easy ones to find, from Revelation. I let you find those of more difficulty, Since you deem yourself a scholar surely the extra task wasn't too difficult.
The point being made is that the word of God, and provided to man was completed with Christ's triumph over the grave. Were it not for his life, temptation, living as we humans do being tempted, giving himself over to the temple guards, undergoing the illegal hebrew trial then being carried before Pilate, Pilate to Herod, back to Pilate, Pilate's offer to trade Barrabas in a way to save Jesus life. (He believed Jesus to be innocent.) Never the less, politics won out, the Priests and Levi's were premitted to preceed with Jesus, crucifixion.
Jesus, being a heavenly being,in human flesh knew his destiny. the cross. He willilingly GAVE of himself on that cross as the propituation for the sin of mankind. God died. IN His Death Attonement was achieved.
That this Jesus paid atonement is available to anyone who will submit their life into his care is a redeemed marvel. All those who trust him for their salvationall then safe in his hands. If an individual places his own individual eternal care into the hands of Jesus he/she are then protected evermore, ever safe because Jesus promised his followers that if he, *Jesus) was entrusted with the eternal soul of any individual in faith, through God's Grace he/she are safe, nay double safe. They are safe in the hands of the redeemer who is safe because he and all those in his care are continually being taken to the Father's House, there never again to fear death nor the destortion of some man claiming to speak for god). God speaks for himself, redeems unto himself and sustains to himself, There are many who, not trusting God but self, for this accomplishment will be hanging their head in shame and beating their boosom in frustration that they were duped into believing that salvation was of themselves and subsequential.
He neglected the power of the Holy Spirit. He did not allow the Holy
spirit to communicate with God on his/her behalf. Time is no more, the judgement is sure, the penalty has been made final.
That's very nice, Muggsey, but it's not exactly to the point, is it!
TBM
I believe the whole point of the formation of a church, during the Acts 2 experience, was to offer mankind a knowledge that they were indeed sinners, apart from God, by their own choice. The hope for their final disposition lay not in their hands, which had made such a mess of things since time began, but in the hands of the Creator, Sustainer, Benevolent Love, Allmighty, Powerful, Wonderful,Redeemer, Savior Friend in the person of God's Own Self as He had created Himself in Human Flesh, for the sole purpose of redemption for lost mankind. Man had nor has any hope aside from the redemption of God's own mercy. He demonstrated that mercy by allowing Himself, in the person of Jesus Christ,to walk among man, experience temptation, live a perfect, sinless life and then Give of His Very Human Life as propitiuation for Man's Sin Death. The perfect payment in behalf of all sin from all man for all time.
Man simply cannot save man. Only God is capable of that accomplishment.
Salvation is a Fact Accomplished, not longed for nor earned. God Gave, Gives, Will Continue to Give. We accept and receive period. Without this we are nothing but fodder for judgement day and the fires of hell.
I believed, Believe, will continue to Believe. I trusted, Trust, and Will Continue to Trust. He Gave, I Believe(d) and Trust(ed). God is happy with the equation. My eternal Hope is Secure. Not in my own right but because HE IS.
For God So loved the world that He gave his Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John3:16-17
Are you saved? I can't answer for you. I can answer for me, I am, I will allways be. You see, I am a child of the King.
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